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morning #koha |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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reiveune |
hello |
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BobB |
does anyone have experience importing serials data in bulk? |
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BobB |
it looks very complex? |
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BobB |
I should check if there are scripts, eh |
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cait |
josef_moravec: was wondering, will you or someone else be in Marseille? |
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cait |
I have a couple of things concerining GDPR i'd like to discuss |
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cait |
like documenting our cookies properly |
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josef_moravec |
cait: I will not be there, and as I know, nobody from Czech Republic ;( |
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LibraryClaire |
:( |
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cait |
yeah :( |
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gaetan_B |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
niihau, gaetan_B |
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cait |
woudl be nice to meet you! |
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josef_moravec |
cait: I could ask Mike Denar - m23, if he can come at least to IRC, he is working on GDPR long time |
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cait |
I will try to update the wiki page then (hopefully soon) |
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cait |
my todo list is killing me a bit |
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cait |
maybe we coudl organize an irc meeting sometime to discuss |
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cait |
but i'd need to prepare a bit more for it |
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cait: it would be great |
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cait |
ok, let's talk about that again soon :) or if youwant go ahead and talk to others about a date? |
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josef_moravec |
cait: OK, I will send an e-mail to mailing list and try to find time for GDPR meeting |
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cait |
cool |
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cait |
josef_moravec++ |
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josef_moravec |
;) |
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cait |
i've used framadate recently for finding a date, but as we are possibly all in europe, it might be easier to find a good one :) |
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tuxayo |
hi #koha o/ |
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josef_moravec |
hope so ;) |
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LibraryClaire |
hi tuxayo |
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magnuse |
~~~ |
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magnuse |
josef_moravec++ |
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josef_moravec |
hi magnuse |
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wahanui |
kamelåså |
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cait |
josef_moravec: i am adding documenting cookies to the dev meeting agenda |
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josef_moravec |
cait: great |
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magnuse |
don't forget to add gdpr-related stuff to https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]nd_patron_privacy |
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eythian |
something else for your list is apache access logs, which can correlate an IP address (which is usually PII) with records viewed, so having a strict by default logrotate policy or something could be good. |
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eythian |
> Do we need one of those "This site uses cookies, click here to agree" thingies? |
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eythian |
probably not. They're stupid and most sites use them even when they don't need to. |
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magnuse |
eythian++ i added the apache logs to the wiki page |
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cait |
eythian: i am just discussing this question with our data privacy expert because a library asked |
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cait |
do we need the silly pop-up |
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eythian |
cait: so, something like: the popup is needed if you're using cookies for things other than required functioning of the site. |
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eythian |
koha uses a cookie for your session and one or two other things, that afaik are part of the site function. |
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cait |
but if a library used a tracking tool... |
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eythian |
then they have to do a whole lot more GDPR related research anyway |
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eythian |
also, I think it only applies to tracking if it's done cross-site, so Google analytics is OK because it only tracks you returning. |
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eythian |
(that last part is a bit less certain to me however.) |
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cait |
thx, hope will get the same answer - I'd realyl like to avoid adding one of those |
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eythian |
also keep in mind that if you add cookies that require the banner, Dutch law requires those cookies to be opt-in, so it can't just be a notification that they're there, there has to be actual logic going on to not set them initially. |
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eythian |
Otherwise the Rijsmuseum may get turned into apartments. |
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cait |
hm? |
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cait |
ah |
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eythian |
+k |
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cait |
eythian: it seems like you have had fun with those laws lately |
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cait |
want to join our gdpr group? ;) |
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eythian |
I don't! I'm being barraged with GDPR stuff through work as it is :) |
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cait |
yeah well... unvoluntary expert then :) |
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eythian |
(not that it closely applies to me at the moment, but it might some day.) |
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cait |
involuntary expert *corrects herself* |
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eythian |
more or less, yeah :) |
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oha |
is there a irc meeting now? |
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oha: i think it will in 1 hour |
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oha |
ok |
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oleonard-away |
Hi all |
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LibraryClaire |
hi oleonard |
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wahanui |
hi oleopard |
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eythian |
hi oleopard |
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kidclamp |
hi oleonard |
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wahanui |
hi dear loon |
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oleonard |
Welcome back to drab reality kidclamp |
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kidclamp |
ah, from disney |
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kidclamp |
I was confused for a moment |
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oleonard |
Dev meeting in 15? |
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LibraryClaire |
I believe so |
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magnuse |
next meeting? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
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magnuse |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_14_February_2018 |
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tcohen |
morning |
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magnuse |
¡hola tcohen! |
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* LibraryClaire |
is grabbing pre meeting coffee |
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tcohen |
oh! |
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* tcohen |
goes grab coffee too! |
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* oleonard |
looks around in vain for coffee |
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* cait |
waves |
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* cait |
had pre-meeting espresso and some fried apple thing :) |
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* LibraryClaire |
is back with tea |
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* josef_moravec |
envy ;) |
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m23_KohaCZ |
Cofee? Me too, pls |
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josef_moravec |
m23_KohaCZ: use your coffee maker, but quickly, meeting is starting soon ;) |
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oleonard |
Chci kavu |
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back |
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kidclamp |
ah yes, lemme get settled and start that |
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kidclamp |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018 |
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huginn` |
Meeting started Wed Feb 14 13:06:23 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
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huginn` |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_february_2018' |
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kidclamp |
#topic introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
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kidclamp |
#info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
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LibraryClaire |
#info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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m23_KohaCZ |
#info Michal Denar, Municipal Library Ceska Trebova, KohaCZ |
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petter |
#info Petter Ã…sen, Oslo public library, Norway |
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kidclamp |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
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kidclamp |
anyone have announcements? |
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oleonard |
Joubu not here? |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_14_February_2018 Agenda |
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josef_moravec |
#info Josef Moravec, Czech Republic |
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tuxayo |
#info Victor Grousset, BibLibre |
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magnuse |
#info Magnus Enger, Libriotecf, Noeway |
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benjamin |
#info Benjamin Rokseth, Oslo Public Library |
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magnuse |
*Norway |
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tuxayo |
Hooray for asset versionning? Bug 12904 |
| 13:11 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Force browser to load new javascript files after upgrade |
| 13:11 |
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kidclamp |
indeed |
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kidclamp |
#info Bug 12904 pushed, some follow ups too, excellent news :-) |
| 13:12 |
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kidclamp |
#topic Update from the Release manager (18.05) |
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Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (18.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
| 13:12 |
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cait |
do we need to change something again now with the bug fixes pushed? |
| 13:12 |
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cait |
to fix the installations? |
| 13:12 |
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kidclamp |
I think he is not here, but read his 'What's on' email - QA stuff, he will push it |
| 13:12 |
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tcohen |
cait: yes |
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kidclamp |
if you pull latest misc4dev and reset_all |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
maybe another email to koha-devel? |
| 13:13 |
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cait |
i was not sure if all known bugs are fixed now |
| 13:13 |
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tcohen |
there's been two emails |
| 13:13 |
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kidclamp |
or run cp_debian_files.pl |
| 13:13 |
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* tcohen |
is running a full kohadevbox creation to test if its fixed |
| 13:14 |
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cait |
hm I have only seen one for the first push |
| 13:14 |
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kidclamp |
all the blockers are pushed |
| 13:15 |
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kidclamp |
bugs 20187 20189 20190 |
| 13:15 |
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kidclamp |
moving on? |
| 13:16 |
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tcohen |
yup |
| 13:16 |
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kidclamp |
#topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 13:16 |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
| 13:16 |
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kidclamp |
hey, that's me |
| 13:16 |
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kidclamp |
will try to catch up on master today/tomorrow, was away for a week so a bit behind |
| 13:16 |
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kidclamp |
string freeze tomorrow |
| 13:17 |
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kidclamp |
if you need stuff in, let me know |
| 13:17 |
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tcohen |
@later tell Joubu sql_mode can be set by the client... |
| 13:17 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:17 |
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kidclamp |
#info kidclamp will be catching up to master - string freeze tomorrow |
| 13:17 |
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kidclamp |
fridolin? |
| 13:17 |
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wahanui |
i guess fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix |
| 13:17 |
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kidclamp |
wahanui forget fridolin |
| 13:17 |
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wahanui |
kidclamp: I forgot fridolin |
| 13:18 |
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kidclamp |
wahanui fridolin is that guy with the great hair |
| 13:18 |
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wahanui |
OK, kidclamp. |
| 13:18 |
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cait |
forget fridolin |
| 13:18 |
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wahanui |
cait: I forgot fridolin |
| 13:18 |
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cait |
Rmaints? |
| 13:18 |
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wahanui |
well, Rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11) |
| 13:19 |
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clrh |
hi, just for information, code4lib conference should begin in a few moments, stream available and program https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]&feature=youtu.be http://2018.code4lib.org/schedule/day-1/ |
| 13:19 |
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cait |
fridolin is that guy with the great hair |
| 13:19 |
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cait |
fxed. |
| 13:19 |
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kidclamp |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
| 13:19 |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
| 13:19 |
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kidclamp |
qa_team? |
| 13:19 |
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wahanui |
i heard qa_team was alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec |
| 13:20 |
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* kidclamp |
has been away so v behind, fridays are qa day |
| 13:20 |
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cait |
Nothing much new, we still need to do a lot of QA |
| 13:20 |
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kidclamp |
but every day rhymes with qa :-) |
| 13:20 |
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* tcohen |
has been away too |
| 13:20 |
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cait |
I have started sending weekly emails to the qa team to bug them ;) |
| 13:20 |
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kidclamp |
cait++ |
| 13:21 |
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kidclamp |
khall is away today, so bug him for all the QA, he told me to say that :- |
| 13:21 |
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kidclamp |
:-D |
| 13:21 |
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cait |
i will |
| 13:21 |
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cait |
he also requested a bugging mail update on friday, which I will gladly send :) |
| 13:21 |
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cait |
we are stuck around 90 atm, which shoudl be lower, but I am really worried about the NSO queue |
| 13:22 |
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kidclamp |
anyone else? |
| 13:22 |
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cait |
for when it hits us and for the stuff stuck in there |
| 13:22 |
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kidclamp |
if someone wanted to hold a GBSD and drum up support I would give them hugs |
| 13:22 |
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cait |
the hackfest in Marseille is soon, but 220 is really a lot |
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* LibraryClaire |
would liek to see the NSO queue shrink a bit |
| 13:23 |
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* cait |
too |
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oleonard |
LibraryClaire++ # for helping shrink the NSO queue |
| 13:24 |
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cait |
so... someone GBSD? |
| 13:24 |
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kidclamp |
LibraryClaire^^ |
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LibraryClaire |
:P |
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LibraryClaire |
only if everyone does hte bugs I don't wanna do |
| 13:25 |
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LibraryClaire |
the major queue has quite a few in it right now and we have one critical needing sign off too |
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tcohen |
if its friday, I can guide and SO too |
| 13:26 |
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tcohen |
i.e. help you LibraryClaire |
| 13:26 |
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LibraryClaire |
tcohen++ |
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kidclamp |
#action LibraryClaire will organize a GBSD in the near future |
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kidclamp |
moving on |
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kidclamp |
#topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
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Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
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kidclamp |
#info Bug 19474, Convert staff client CSS to SCSS: Should compiled CSS be part of the codebase? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Convert staff client CSS to SCSS |
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kidclamp |
oleonard^ |
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oleonard |
The question is whether there should be a compiled version of staff-global.css (compiled from staff-global.scss) in the codebase or whether it should be compiled during installation |
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tcohen |
*packaging? |
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oleonard |
Right now, for instance, in the OPAC the compiled version of the LESS file is tracked. |
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oleonard |
We ask that people making changes to the OPAC LESS file attach a separate patch for the compiled CSS |
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oleonard |
Do we want to continue to work that way in the staff client, or change that process somehow? |
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oleonard |
I don't have a preference either way. I wanted to take the opportunity to ask whether we are doing it the best way. |
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cait |
hm what are the consequences for the workflows? |
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cait |
i think package installatons can be fully automated...standard too - git installations need to run a script? |
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tcohen |
I think we should do it at packaging time, and have our dev environment generate it for us |
| 13:32 |
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cait |
and for testers and sandboxes? |
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oleonard |
The current practice creates an extra step for patch-submitters but makes it very easy for testers. |
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tcohen |
and I would also add we should bundle all the perl deps on packaging time too |
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kidclamp |
what would be required for testers in this scenario? |
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oleonard |
...except when testers find that opac.css conflicts every time I guess... |
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cait |
it seems we don't change the css too often, but staff might be different |
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tcohen |
in kohadevbox and koha-testing-docker it would be fairly easy to just add a watcher that re-generates the file on each change |
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kidclamp |
if there is a simple process for sandboxes and dev installs for testing I am for it - I guess is better to place burden on devs - ideal world none of us have to generate it |
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mtompset |
I've commented on this topic before. Compiling LESS files is technical. We should not introduce technical difficulties to those who wish to participate. |
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kidclamp |
tcohen what about traditional git |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Good morning everyone |
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tcohen |
kidclamp: we are working closely with khall to move the sandboxes into using koha-testing-docker |
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josef_moravec |
there is about 20 commits per year to staff-global.css, so it is changed relatively often... |
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tcohen |
in my opinion, this should be a RM task (regenerate) when pushing the patches |
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kidclamp |
test plans do require things now like 'reindex, run this script, etc' if it is as simple as 'perl compile_css.pl' I think it can be okay for testers |
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mtompset |
I agreed with tcohen. |
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tcohen |
in kohadevbox we already have the less-opac alias to do the job |
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mtompset |
kidclamp, perhaps recompile all the less files as part of restart_all? ;) |
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mtompset |
Oh... didn't know about that alias. |
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mtompset |
Sweet. |
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cait |
so same as schema changes? |
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tcohen |
mtompset: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox#aliases |
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cait |
hm not quite the same |
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Joubu |
(oops) |
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cait |
i think the important part is make it easy for testers |
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* LibraryClaire |
waves to Joubu |
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mtompset |
tcohen, I never pay attention to aliases. :) |
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cait |
we already talked about hte size of queue |
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cait |
:) |
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kidclamp |
with schema we ask devs to include the files to ease testing, could it be the same? |
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oleonard |
Include a patch with the compiled css but don't push it? |
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* kidclamp |
nods |
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oleonard |
I'm not sure if that's easier, since the patch is always going to conflict. |
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Joubu |
we will have conflicts all the time |
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* LibraryClaire |
hates conflicts |
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* kidclamp |
is conflict avoidant |
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oleonard |
Joubu: What do you think? |
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Joubu |
what oleonard said |
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Joubu |
we should provide an easy way to generate the .css file |
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Joubu |
we could even patch git-bz |
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kidclamp |
#chair cait |
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Current chairs: cait kidclamp |
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cait |
i think we need to make sure testers know waht to do |
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cait |
and that the solution works for devbox and sandbox |
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cait |
otherwise i have no preference :) |
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kidclamp |
oleonard should get what he wants :-) |
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Joubu |
how can we make sure testers know what do do? |
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oleonard |
kidclamp: But I didn't express a preference :P |
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cait |
might be a metter of people willing to help fixing devbox and sandboxes? |
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oleonard |
I get the impression that's its more typical these days that compiled assets are not tracked in git and it's handled in the packaging process. |
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oleonard |
Keeping the process the same as it is in the OPAC means that no new work is pushed onto anyone, so maybe that's better. |
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cait |
could you name the tasks that need to be done to make one or the other work for testers? |
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oleonard |
Keeping the status quo means testers need to resolve the compiled css conflict every time they test patches with css changes |
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oleonard |
Updating the workflow means changing devbox, sandboxes, git-bz, packaging process, etc. |
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oleonard |
...which sounds like a lot to me! |
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oleonard |
Anyone want to argue against keeping things the way they are for now? |
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kidclamp |
well, if we change all that we reduce conflicts and keep ease of testing? pay now for savings later? |
| 13:55 |
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Joubu |
nope, just git-bz, or reset_all, that's all |
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cait |
not everyone wnats to throw their db out all the time :) |
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cait |
so please nothing that requires a reset_all |
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Joubu |
it can also be in the test plan, "first step, run this command to update the css file" |
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* LibraryClaire |
does not like reset_all after losing her db |
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Joubu |
so just run the script that will update the css file |
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Joubu |
or an alias, it's the same |
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mtompset |
Right, but people write lousy test plans, Joubu. |
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Joubu |
ok |
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mtompset |
They aren't likely to remember to add that step. |
| 13:58 |
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Joubu |
I am out for this conversatino I think |
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LibraryClaire |
I think it should be written in the test plan to run the script |
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Joubu |
people do not read email, do not read test plan, do not want to run alias |
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mtompset |
Soooo true! |
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cait |
i think an alias would work after a little get used to |
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oleonard |
Alright, let's keep things the way they are. I'll revise my patch to include the CSS. |
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mtompset |
Are we going to add a staff alias for compiling less too? |
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oleonard |
We should move on before everyone falls asleep. |
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cait |
any decision to log? |
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Joubu |
and people do not test anyway |
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mtompset |
write better test plans which include the command to compile any modified less files? :) |
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cait |
ok, moving on |
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cait |
but please still find a solution |
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cait |
next one is about merging the tables |
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cait |
petter: ? |
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petter |
woho! |
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petter |
this is gonna be fun:) |
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petter |
So, I guess we first should agree to do it |
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petter |
The agree on how to do it |
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petter |
I don't know if I should describe problems of the current db architecture? |
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oha |
we skip the whys, i guess we agree on that |
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cait |
it creates massive problems with PKs and the schema? :) |
| 14:03 |
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petter |
yes |
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petter |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]uto_increment_fix |
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petter |
this i one problem |
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petter |
is one |
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petter |
another, is that we are loosing data when moving row from one table to another, when the row is used in a relation to anther table |
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petter |
example: when we move from items to deleteditems, any old_issue which is refering to the item is set to NULL |
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petter |
so its no longer possible to find out what that checkout was |
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mtompset |
oh yuck! Hadn't thought of that one. |
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cait |
oh ugh |
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cait |
i didn't know fo that one |
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cait |
i thought they kept the number an donly nulled for patron |
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Joubu |
it depends |
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oha |
depends sounds even worse :) |
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Joubu |
on the value, but it sucks anyway as the link is not updated it it needs to be |
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petter |
Anyways, there are many problems, if all agree that we should merge, then we can focus on how to to the merging |
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mtompset |
Is there anyone opposed to the idea?! |
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petter |
As far as I could find out, the original reason for splitting the tables was for performace ? |
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petter |
But I don't think it is a viable argument any more |
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petter |
With proper indexes |
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Joubu |
petter: did you read the previous discussions on the list and bug reports? |
| 14:07 |
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petter |
millions of rows in issues table should be no problem |
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petter |
There was some discussion on the recent Recalls in koha bug |
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cait |
we might have to be careful with the merge - like warn big libraries they need to plan more time for update or so |
| 14:07 |
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cait |
we had some issues there with changes on statistics |
| 14:08 |
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cait |
my feeling is that we already agreed on doing it multiple times? |
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petter |
OK good lets do it! |
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petter |
Shall we vote to do it? |
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oha |
cait: I guess it will be a problem for custom reports |
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cait |
like everyone says we shoudl, but noone wants to tackle it |
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cait |
so was the move of marcxml |
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cait |
but it hink we got some helpful things from that we coudl use |
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cait |
like highlighting reports that need work after update |
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Joubu |
petter: we do not need a vote to do it, it's more: Who/How/When? |
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petter |
Great |
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petter |
So we can do some inital work |
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oha |
I actually did a quick test |
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Joubu |
and... who is going to update the sql report on the wiki, who is going to write bugfixes when pushed |
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Joubu |
I am oppose to do it now |
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Joubu |
I have started already |
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oha |
Joubu: i have no idea what is the sql report on the wiki |
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Joubu |
I would like to remove the related C4 modules before, and when the code is moved to Koha we can do it easily |
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oha |
can you explain? |
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oleonard |
oha: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]L_Reports_Library |
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oha |
oleonard: ty |
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Joubu |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]L_Reports_Library |
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oha |
I guess I will read it _after_ this meeting :) |
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oha |
unless you want to wait... :o) |
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Joubu |
after the tables are merged the reports librarians wrote will be broken |
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cait |
true, but same now for marcxml ones |
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cait |
we need to document, but I don't think we can prevent it |
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LibraryClaire |
oha it's a collection of reports which have been written for use in koha |
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petter |
I understand you want to move C4 to Koha, but that would take years still, don't you think? |
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cait |
Joubu: wuld it be ok to start with... old_reserves for example after all hold things have been moved? |
| 14:12 |
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Joubu |
yes, that's why we have 2 versions for some reports now |
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cait |
or do you want to finish the whole rewrite before? |
| 14:12 |
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Joubu |
"Versions 17.05 and later: " |
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petter |
I think reports are the least of the challenges with doing the merge |
| 14:12 |
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Joubu |
petter: yes it takes years as nobody tests the patches I wrote |
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oha |
Joubu: I understand the frustration, but isn't this a bit off topic now? |
| 14:13 |
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Joubu |
the easier would be the borrowers tables I think |
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oleonard |
oha: Updating reports is part of the process. It's part of the workload we take on when we take on the change. |
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oha |
oleonard: i mean, signing joubu patches :) |
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petter |
I volunter to fix the reports |
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cait |
i can help with the sql reports |
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cait |
on the wiki |
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wahanui |
on the wiki is more information about the packages |
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cait |
and also with testing, i am already trying to help there |
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cait |
but it would be cool if got more help there |
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cait |
i think what we might have to do is agree on a plan |
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cait |
it feels like we have a lot of unfinished big projects right now |
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petter |
Yes |
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petter |
For a start |
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petter |
Make one bug about each table merge? |
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cait |
REST API, C4->Koha, etc. |
| 14:15 |
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cait |
I think maybe a wiki page even first |
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cait |
name the tables, the sequence, steps |
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cait |
and then make the bugs |
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oha |
anyways, i did a quick test today. I managed to remove deleteditems and have intra working, with the admin reports and apis. it didn't take long and it was 17 files changed, 51 insertions(+), 82 deletions(-) |
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oha |
I might have missed something, but going around in intra and testing few apis was ok |
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oha |
but i haven't checked the tests which will surely fails if they mingle with the db |
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cait |
I am all for it, but I think we need to see that we not only produce new code, but also have a clear plan in place |
| 14:19 |
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cait |
as we have problems processing the new code at the moment |
| 14:19 |
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cait |
i think a wiki page wth steps etc for next meeting and then really get people to dedicate to do it would be good |
| 14:19 |
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petter |
Shall we open a bug for merging items and deleteditems, provida an initial patch and continue discussion there? |
| 14:20 |
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petter |
Or we could start with another couple, borrowers + deletedborrowers |
| 14:20 |
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cait |
Joubu? |
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wahanui |
Joubu is probably not sure how to fix that correctly |
| 14:20 |
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LibraryClaire |
maye a wiki page for the project |
| 14:20 |
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LibraryClaire |
outlining what needs to be done |
| 14:21 |
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Joubu |
I have started already borrowers tables I think |
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Joubu |
oha: start with a wiki page I'd say, link with a bug report, and attach a patch if you have on |
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Joubu |
e |
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oha |
I can help you in the next month, but then i'm off for other tasks. so I'm happy to give you patches to test now |
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oha |
sounds good |
| 14:23 |
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petter |
great! |
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cait |
next meeting is in 2 weeks |
| 14:23 |
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cait |
let's see status then? |
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petter |
I'll make the wiki page and start adding to it |
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cait |
please make sure it's on the agenda |
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cait |
moving on ok? |
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oleonard |
A month probably isn't long enough to see the process through. |
| 14:24 |
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Joubu |
and maybe read the previous discussins on the list, I talk about this merge for 2,3y already ;) |
| 14:24 |
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cait |
yeah worried about that too, especially as we only have 1.5 left |
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cait |
hm ok 3 |
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cait |
3 months until release |
| 14:24 |
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cait |
but let's take another look in 2 weeks? |
| 14:25 |
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petter |
Yes, sounds good |
| 14:25 |
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cait |
I have put another thing on the list - I have learned that we need to document cookies for the data privacy documentation (GDPR etc) |
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cait |
instead of all of us doing that separately |
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cait |
I suggest creating a wiki page and collect the information there and maintain it together |
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oha |
I will do my best to give you something usable, but surely there might be some fine tuning after I'm gone |
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cait |
we'd need how long a cookie is stored, what is stored, what it's used for |
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oha |
cait: i think petter volunteered already :) |
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cait |
for the cookies? |
| 14:26 |
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oha |
cait: no, i read to hastly |
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oha |
ignore me :) |
| 14:26 |
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cait |
ok ;) |
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cait |
and amybe we could make a coding guideline about documenting new cookies added? |
| 14:27 |
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cait |
anyone home? :) |
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oleonard |
I think it's a good idea cait |
| 14:29 |
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cait |
ok, so i will start a wiki page |
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cait |
oleonard: would you be willing to proof read my findings maybe? |
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m23_KohaCZ |
Wiki page for user data & privacy will be great. |
| 14:29 |
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oleonard |
cait: Yes |
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m23_KohaCZ |
adn coding guidelines for developers too |
| 14:29 |
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cait |
#action cait to start a wiki page about cookie use in Koha |
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cait |
#action oleonard to proof read |
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cait |
#action cait to suggest a coding guideline for maintaining cookie documentation |
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cait |
I have also learned me might need to implement one of those cookie banners |
| 14:30 |
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m23_KohaCZ |
but GDPR isnt just about cookies, its easy part |
| 14:30 |
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cait |
that wanrs you about cookie use... |
| 14:30 |
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cait |
i might come back to this another time |
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cait |
a lot of the data privacy stuff is about documenting |
| 14:31 |
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cait |
what do you store, why do you store it, how long do you store it, when do you delete it? |
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m23_KohaCZ |
if someone want to quit service for some reason, shoul have some waay to delete cookis on their device easy, by click on link for example. |
| 14:33 |
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cait |
hm haven't seen that yet |
| 14:33 |
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m23_KohaCZ |
GDPR mantra: what user data we store, how we legal reason for it, which (law, agreement...) |
| 14:33 |
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petter |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/MergingOfTables |
| 14:33 |
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cait |
but we got a request for taking you data with you in a machine storable format |
| 14:33 |
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cait |
§20? |
| 14:33 |
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cait |
still have to look into it |
| 14:33 |
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cait |
in general, we might have to discuss this at a separate meeting |
| 14:33 |
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cait |
ok to move on? |
| 14:34 |
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cait |
#topic Review of coding guidelines |
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Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
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cait |
there are no topics listed |
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cait |
if it's ok, I will jump right to the next topic as we are running late today |
| 14:34 |
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cait |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
| 14:34 |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 February 2018) |
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cait |
Joubu: can you help me out? |
| 14:36 |
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cait |
February 28, 19 UTC? |
| 14:36 |
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josef_moravec |
ok for me |
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cait |
#info Next meeting: 28 February 2018, 19 UTC |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org |
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huginn` |
Meeting ended Wed Feb 14 14:37:07 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn` |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-14-13.06.html |
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huginn` |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-02-14-13.06.txt |
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huginn` |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]14-13.06.log.html |
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cait |
thx all! |
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oleonard |
Thanks everyone |
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LibraryClaire |
kidclamp++ |
| 14:37 |
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LibraryClaire |
cait++ |
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* andreashm |
reads the meeting log |
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* Freddy_Enrique |
reading X2 |
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andreashm |
merging tables. wow. |
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oleonard |
Bug 19474 has been updated and another follow-up added. |
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Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert staff client CSS to SCSS |
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oleonard |
I hope someone might have time to test. |
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Joubu |
oleonard: better than patching git-bz we could write a git hook to regenerate the css file if scss if modified |
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josef_moravec |
oleonard++ |
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oha |
what about checking mtime of css and scss, and rebuild when the latter is newer? |
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tcohen |
oha: npm install watcher |
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tcohen |
*watch* |
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tcohen |
it does that, and runs the command you specify |
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reiveune |
bye |
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oha |
tcohen: i was suggesting an alternative to git hooks |
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goes in search of wine |
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LibraryClaire |
laters #koha |
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* tuxayo |
realizes that there is a mirror of the code at https://gitlab.com/koha-community/Koha which allows to easily link to lines of code in Bugs. <3 |
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* tuxayo |
When gitweb is a bit of a pain for that |
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mtompset |
@seen paxed |
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huginn` |
mtompset: paxed was last seen in #koha 1 day, 4 hours, 16 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <paxed> https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_plugins has a link to https://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/ which doesn't exist |
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paxed |
mtompset: yes? |
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Joubu |
jajm: bug 20178 - you meant "subroutines" instead of "prefs", right? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20178 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Fix output_pref with dateformat=iso |
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jajm |
Joubu, no I meant pref, the user should know what it means to change dateformat syspref to 'iso' |
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Joubu |
ha, it exists in the pref... |
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jajm |
yes |
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Joubu |
I do not think it is used, it should not |
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mtompset |
We should add more and more... ymd ymddot ymddash :) |
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mtompset |
Isn't there a date delimiter system preference? |
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mtompset |
BTW, easy sign off: bug 20197 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20197 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Missing rfc3339 in systempreference choices for dateformat |
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Joubu |
It's not missing |
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Joubu |
we do not want it |
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Joubu |
do you want it? |
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mtompset |
Why don't we want? |
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mtompset |
No, I don't believe I would use it, but if the API uses it, why not let the user set things to see what the API sees? |
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Joubu |
because it's only used by the api to format date for JSON |
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tcohen |
mtompset: if you are curious about it, better look at the RFC :-P |
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Joubu |
mtompset: you should also keep in mind that we do not want to add stuffs that nobody asked for :) |
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Joubu |
it will adds code to maintain for nothing |
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paxed |
mtompset: also see date-format.inc |
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paxed |
although it doesn't explicitly need change, ... |
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oleonard |
See you later #koha |
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mtompset |
paxed: Eeeew! Okay. |
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mtompset |
@seen kidclamp |
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huginn` |
mtompset: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 54 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <kidclamp> well, if we change all that we reduce conflicts and keep ease of testing? pay now for savings later? |
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tcohen |
@later tell khall I'm preparing koha-testing-docker for your come back |
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huginn` |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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mtompset |
Does the dashboard load fine for everyone else? |
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tcohen |
yup |
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tcohen |
what's the symptom? |
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mtompset |
EVERY ONE |
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wahanui |
rumour has it EVERY ONE is welcomed |
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mtompset |
white screen of death |
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mtompset |
nothing visible |
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mtompset |
reload a million times and it might show. |
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tcohen |
Joubu: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]r_Tomas/2/console |
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jenkins |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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jenkins |
Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #80: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.05_D8/80/ |
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bag |
@seen cait |
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huginn` |
bag: cait was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 39 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <cait> thx all! |
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* LeeJ |
waves |
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LeeJ |
hi #koha |
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LeeJ |
sorry for missing the meeting this morning...we had a 2 our delay due to an unanticipated ice storm :-\ |
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tcohen |
hi LeeJ! |
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* LeeJ |
waves to tcohen |
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LeeJ |
anyone know if $cgi->Vars is supported in Koha's configuration? |
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mtompset |
LeeJ, why would you use that archaic form? It is, but why? |
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LeeJ |
mtompset: was an approach I was playing around with...I have a checkbox group and I was trying to see which were unchecked |
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mtompset |
Grab the group id, and then scan the array? |
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LeeJ |
doesn't CGI return only the checked boxes back to the perl file? |
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LeeJ |
mtompset: so all checkboxes get returned to the script not just the checked ones? |
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tuxayo |
see you #koha! o/ |
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mtompset |
LeeJ, sorry I was out for Valentine's Day. |
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mtompset |
No, it returns an array of all the items with the same group id. |
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mtompset |
As far as I recall. |
