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aleisha |
hey Francesca |
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wahanui |
Francesca is a musical front end cat person |
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Francesca |
hey |
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aleisha |
hows it |
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Francesca |
busy busy - studying for a test and planning essays |
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Francesca |
you? |
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aleisha |
do you not get a break? |
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aleisha |
im good, enjoying being able to come to work everyday tbh |
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Francesca |
I do get a break from classes |
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Francesca |
but need to get ahead on assingments |
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most of the stuff is due right after the break |
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yeah i know that feel, i have a test in the first week back |
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same |
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thats what I'm studying for lol |
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hi all |
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reiveune |
hello |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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magnuse |
timezones is https://xkcd.com/1883/ |
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alex_a |
hello magnuse |
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hi #koha |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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andreashm |
morning #koha |
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* cait |
waves |
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cait |
marcelr: around? |
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marcelr |
hi cait |
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* andreashm |
waves too |
| 08:35 |
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cait |
can you maybe help me - I was wondering if the xsl scripts in the z39.50 config should also work for authority servers? |
| 08:36 |
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cait |
i am not sure if it's me or the code |
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cait |
hi andreashm! |
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marcelr |
iirc the code does not allow it currently |
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cait |
gah, I was hoping you'd say it's me :) |
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cait |
I will file a bug report |
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marcelr |
it has been copied from the biblio code and adjusted/stripped ? |
| 08:37 |
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cait |
in our national authority file there is a lot of data in $9 - and Koha thinks that's the ids to link on... it created quite a mess |
| 08:37 |
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marcelr |
ok |
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cait |
I was looking for a way to get rid of the $9 similar to the script that is available for bibliographic |
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cait |
the xsl scripts would have been ideal, not sure there is another way now |
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cait |
i will file a bug/enh for adding the feature to the authority servers |
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marcelr |
yeah |
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cait |
bug 19220 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19220 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow XSLT procsessing for Z39.50 authority targets like for bibliographic targets |
| 09:00 |
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andreashm |
Is there anything being done with the script in bug 14598 at the moment? |
| 09:00 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14598 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn |
| 09:01 |
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andreashm |
From what I understand this makes upgrading with a large database virtually impossible. |
| 09:02 |
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andreashm |
Unless the library in question handles it themselves and changes this update function (see the last comments on the bug) |
| 09:07 |
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cait |
andreashm: I don't know about recent activity - but could you leave a comment on it? |
| 09:08 |
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andreashm |
cait: will do! |
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nyogtang |
hello |
| 09:28 |
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nyogtang |
i am having some problem regarding the Koha OPAC page. I have installed successfully my koha and done the web installer as well. But when i try to open my OPAC page, it says "System Maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the site administrator" |
| 09:30 |
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cait |
have you run the web installer yet? |
| 09:30 |
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nyogtang |
yes i have |
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cait |
have you restarted Plack? |
| 09:31 |
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cait |
can you access the staff interface? |
| 09:31 |
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nyogtang |
i am newbe in koha here. Can you explain more on plack? |
| 09:32 |
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nyogtang |
yes i can access staff interface |
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cait |
not sure I can explain it well |
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cait |
but if you are runnign on packages |
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cait |
try on command line: |
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cait |
sudo koha-plack --restart <yourinstancename> |
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cait |
hi kidclamp! |
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kidclamp |
hi cait |
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cait |
oh, it could also be one other thing, someome could have activated the maintenance mode manually, check the system preference OpacMaintenance too - but it's more unlikely |
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nyogtang |
Ok thanks That was the case. I m sorry for the trouble but thanks again |
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magnuse |
cait++ |
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cait |
phew great |
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cait |
glad it work snow |
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cait |
works now :) |
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nyogtang |
yes. Thanks alot. |
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magnuse |
woohoo, just created my first koha instance with --letsencrypt! |
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kidclamp |
magnuse++ |
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* andreashm |
waves |
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* magnuse |
sends drojf some round tuits for bug 16662 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, NEW , Letsencrypt II: Return of the cryptosaurus. (make it work for existing instances) |
| 10:03 |
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magnuse |
but i'll probably make ansible help me out with it anyway... |
| 10:04 |
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magnuse |
alexbuckley++ for the onboarding tool! |
| 10:20 |
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* magnuse |
just created attachment 66666 |
| 10:20 |
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huginn |
Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]66666&action=edit image/png, Screenshot from the onboarding tool, onboarding-superlibrarian.png |
| 10:31 |
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cait |
oh new huginn trick |
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oleonard |
Hi all |
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marcelr |
hi oleonard |
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wahanui |
hi olé onard |
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tcohen |
bonjour |
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rsantellan |
good morning #koha |
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waves |
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LeeJ |
morning #koha |
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kidclamp |
morning leeJ |
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* LibraryClaire |
waves |
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* LeeJ |
waves back to LibraryClaire |
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* oleonard |
waves at LibraryClaire and then awkwardly realizes she was waving at someone behind him |
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* LibraryClaire |
waves to oleonard |
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tcohen |
morning |
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LeeJ |
hahaha |
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* LeeJ |
waves to oleonard and tcohen |
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* cait |
waves in all directions |
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marcelr |
serious waving |
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* LibraryClaire |
's arm falls off |
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* cait |
screams |
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* LibraryClaire |
goes in search of brains |
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marcelr |
:q |
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marcelr |
lol |
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* LeeJ |
waves to cait |
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marcelr |
trivial patch bug 19222 |
| 12:49 |
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* LeeJ |
also waves to marcelr |
| 12:49 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19222 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Why does dt_from_string not understand yyyy-mm-ddThh:mm:ss ? |
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marcelr |
o/ |
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tcohen |
marcelr: it even adds tests :-D |
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marcelr |
80% is testing |
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* magnuse |
waves in norwegian |
| 12:56 |
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Joubu |
hi #koha |
| 12:56 |
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marcelr |
hi Joubu |
| 12:56 |
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cait |
hi Joubu |
| 12:56 |
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Joubu |
marcelr: I do not think it is relevant, why do you want to support it? |
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marcelr |
i paste such values into dt_from_string in a script and it kills the time |
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Joubu |
but you are not supposed to manipulate them |
| 12:57 |
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Joubu |
it's string representation of DateTime objects |
| 12:57 |
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marcelr |
i get these values from outside xml |
| 13:00 |
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Joubu |
marcelr: could you explain a use case on the bug report? |
| 13:00 |
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Joubu |
at first glance I'd say you are trying to fix an error that occured before in the process |
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marcelr |
i add a comment |
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tcohen |
hi Joubu |
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tcohen |
Joubu: I don't think adding more formats to dt_from_string would be problematic |
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Joubu |
it could hide a problem |
| 13:05 |
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Joubu |
like manipulating string representation of datetime :) |
| 13:06 |
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tcohen |
maybe the implementation should be different |
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Joubu |
tcohen: bug 19116 could you give your opinion on what I suggest? |
| 13:11 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19116 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Failed QA , Holds not set to waiting when "Confirm" is used |
| 13:11 |
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vegasjoe |
Is there someone that can point me to a resolution to borrowernumber problem? the borrowernumber is not autocalculating. |
| 13:11 |
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tcohen |
Joubu: yes, as soon as I finish answering your BIG RED WARNING email, boss |
| 13:11 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 13:12 |
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marcelr |
another red warning ? |
| 13:14 |
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Joubu |
vegasjoe: autocalculating? what do you mean? |
| 13:15 |
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vegasjoe |
When adding a new patron, the auto generating of a new borrowernumber is not working for me |
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vegasjoe |
similiar to https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6782 |
| 13:16 |
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huginn |
Bug 6782: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, RESOLVED FIXED, Move auto member cardnumber generation to occur when record is "Saved" (avoid collisions) |
| 13:17 |
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vegasjoe |
I have updated to the latest version of koha17.05.03.000 |
| 13:18 |
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Joubu |
it's not borrowernumber but cardnumber then? |
| 13:24 |
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kidclamp |
LeeJ++ |
| 13:25 |
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vegasjoe |
yes the cardnumber sorry |
| 13:25 |
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LeeJ |
kidclamp++ # there are not enough increments for this guy |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Good morning guys |
| 13:27 |
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Joubu |
vegasjoe: using ldap? |
| 13:27 |
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Joubu |
bug 17215 |
| 13:27 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ldjamison, Needs Signoff , Cardnumbers of patrons created using LDAP Replication not using autoMemberNum if configured |
| 13:27 |
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vegasjoe |
I am not using LDAP |
| 13:28 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
yesterday I made some test using the sql backup of the system to see if I could solve the...club table problem. But it didn't get installed when I upgraded to 17.05 and the terminal doesn't show any errors |
| 13:31 |
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Joubu |
vegasjoe: please open a bug report and explain what happens |
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vegasjoe |
Ok |
| 13:32 |
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magnuse |
Freddy_Enrique: you have seen bug 18836? |
| 13:32 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18836 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , MySQL 5.7 - Table 'koha_library.club_enrollments' doesn't exist |
| 13:32 |
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magnuse |
ah, yes, you commented on it. sorry! :-) |
| 13:33 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
jejeje |
| 13:33 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
btw...what Magnus Enger said is the solution? |
| 13:34 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
it looks to me like that is a procedure to create the missing table |
| 13:35 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
indeed, after installing the phpmyadmin I couldn't see the club table, but so weird considering that this time I got to see the instalation page to update the database |
| 13:47 |
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vegasjoe |
I have submitted the bug. https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19224 |
| 13:47 |
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huginn |
Bug 19224: minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Cardnumber is not auto calculating during new borrower registration |
| 13:48 |
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vegasjoe |
I see in the code that when memberentry.pl is called that is passes input parameters. Is there a log that would show me the input parameters? |
| 13:53 |
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Joubu |
vegasjoe: remove "cardnumber" from the system preference 'BorrowerMandatoryField' |
| 13:56 |
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vegasjoe |
Joubu: that worked |
| 13:56 |
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vegasjoe |
thanks |
| 14:02 |
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Joubu |
vegasjoe: please close the bug report (mark it as resolved > invalid) and explain how you fixed it |
| 14:06 |
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vegasjoe |
Ok |
| 14:09 |
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pastebot |
"tcohen" at 172.22.12.218 pasted "Joubu, khall: Pagination plugin usage example" (50 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/627 |
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khall |
looks great tcohen! |
| 14:10 |
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tcohen |
khall, Joubu: there's room for generalization I think |
| 14:10 |
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khall |
tcohen: definitely |
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tcohen |
I will propose to have page and per_page as reserved words |
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reiveune |
bye |
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cait |
hm i forgot tos end a reminder about the documentation meeting |
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Joubu |
cait: you still have time |
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LeeJ |
cait: 21 UTC is ~5 hours from now correct? Still getting used to doing the time conversion on the fly :P |
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cait |
there is a link on the wiki that should help you: ) |
| 16:13 |
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cait |
Joubu: i will do it when i am home |
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cait |
unless someone else wnats to? it will take a bit longer |
| 16:14 |
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cait |
LeeJ: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]meeting_31_August the time converter link |
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cait |
bbl |
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LeeJ |
cait: danke :) |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
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LeeJ |
be back in a bit :) |
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eythian |
@later tell kathryn https://i.stuff.co.nz/business[…]esk-in-wellington |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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barton |
eythian: I don't know where else, other than #koha, I would ever have seen that, and thought 'huh, how appropriate!'. :-) |
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LeeJ |
cait: I'm heading out for now..trying to get some work done while no one is barging into my office :P I'll be back for the meeting :) |
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tcohen |
hi |
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* cait |
waves |
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cait |
2 hours to documentation meeting! |
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* Freddy_Enrique |
Hi cait |
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cait |
hi Freddy_Enrique :) |
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* andreashm |
waves |
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andreashm |
Documentation meeting coming up ey? I didn't even know that there was documentation meetings... |
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Freddy_Enrique |
what its it about? Forgive, new to this subject |
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andreashm |
Freddy_Enrique: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]meeting_31_August |
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cait |
andreashm: it might be the first |
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cait |
you are all very welcome :) |
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andreashm |
cait: thanks! =) |
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andreashm |
cait: how are things down in Germany? |
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cait |
super busy :) |
| 19:54 |
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cait |
we are migrating the goethe institute libraries |
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andreashm |
well, that's a change! er, or not. |
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andreashm |
oh cool |
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cait |
one in stockholm too i believe |
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cait |
ah, but you are not there :( |
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cait |
how are things where you are? :) |
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andreashm |
I think so. Seem to recall talking about it some months ago. |
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andreashm |
Back in Stockholm. Back at work. All's good! |
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cait |
oh! |
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cait |
when did you move back? |
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andreashm |
A month ago. Back at work last week. |
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cait |
cool |
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cait |
i saw that lund is going to use Koha? |
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cait |
I still tell people about how cool I think Viola is :) |
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andreashm |
hehe, awesome. |
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andreashm |
yeah, lund is migrating next year I think. |
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andreashm |
the Swedish koha user group might do a hackfest (sort of) there sometime this fall, november or so. |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
hackfests are fun |
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andreashm |
indeed |
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andreashm |
or, the only one I've been to was fun at least |
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andreashm |
this will be smaller though, national focus to begin with. (many libraries new to Koha here as you know) |
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cait |
I am bit jealous that you got a user group :) |
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cait |
we don't have that in Germany yet |
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cait |
maybe someday |
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Freddy_Enrique |
heh.....Germany.... Koha really knows no boundaries |
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andreashm |
sorry cait, was away for a bit. |
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cait |
was distracted too, all good |
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andreashm |
but shouldn't Germany have enough libraries to start a user group by now? |
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andreashm |
the Swedish one is very loosely organized... more of a network than a proper user group. I think that is a good way to start |
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cait |
yeah, but I tihnk the libraries have to start it |
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cait |
so not us :) |
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andreashm |
I think you're right |
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cait |
brb in time for starting the meeting |
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* Freddy_Enrique |
crossing fingers :) |
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waves |
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LeeJ |
made it! |
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cait |
me too :) |
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cait |
hi BobB :) |
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LeeJ |
can't figure out why in the world C4::Context->preference('KohaAdminEmailAddress') isn't returning the expected value in an if statement :'( |
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BobB |
hi cait :) |
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BobB |
good morning #koha |
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cait |
do you want to share your code somewhere? |
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jzairo |
hi LeeJ cait |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
hi jzairo! |
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jzairo |
:) |
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waves to BobB and jzairo |
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clintD |
G'day Bob |
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* cait |
is happy to see people arriving |
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LeeJ |
:) |
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cait |
I will give it another minute before starting the meeting |
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BobB |
hi clintD |
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Freddy_Enrique |
what is it there? |
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cait |
hi atheia! |
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atheia |
hello :-) |
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atheia |
How's things? |
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Freddy_Enrique |
I meant, what time is it tehre? |
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cait |
it's 11pm in germany |
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pastebot |
"LeeJ" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "C4::Context->preference() problem" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/630 |
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cait |
ok, let's start :) |
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LeeJ |
ok..we can look at my paste after :) |
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LeeJ |
after/tomorrow :) |
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BobB |
its 7am here |
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LeeJ |
let's start :D |
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cait |
#startmeeting Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August |
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huginn |
Meeting started Thu Aug 31 21:02:25 2017 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_31_august' |
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* BobB |
needs coffee |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
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Freddy_Enrique |
16:00 p.m here |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]meeting_31_August Today's agenda |
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bgkriegel |
#info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Argentina |
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BobB |
#info Bob Birchall, Calyx , Australia |
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LeeJ |
#info Lee Jamison, Marywood University |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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atheia |
#info Alex Sassmannshausen, Brussels |
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georgewilliams |
#info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System |
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clintD |
#info Clint Deckard-Anact NZ |
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jzairo |
#info |
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kellym |
#info Kelly McElligott Bywater Solutions |
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jzairo |
#info Jessica Zairo - Tampa Florida ByWater Solutions |
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kholt |
#info Karen Holt, ByWater Solutions |
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Freddy_Enrique |
#info Freddy Pelayo, Ensabap, Peru |
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irma |
#info Irma CALYX Australia |
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cait |
wow :) |
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LeeJ |
cait++ |
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cait |
glad to see you all here to talk about documentation |
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cait |
moving on to our first topic |
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cait |
#topic How does it work? |
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Topic for #koha is now How does it work? (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
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francharb |
#info Francois Charbonnier, inLibro, Canada |
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cait |
some of you might be aware that we switched the tools used to write and generate the manual |
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francharb |
yes |
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cait |
up to 17.05 DocBook was used |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart |
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cait |
and the manual was one big XML file that was a challenge to edit |
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cait |
you'd need specific tools able to handle the file |
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cait |
so for 17.11 rangi has converted the manual to use reStructuredText and Sphinx for generating it |
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cait |
the new syntax is easier to edit |
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cait |
he has also split up the manual into several files |
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bag |
#info Brendan Gallagher ByWater |
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cait |
#info up to 17.05 the manual was using DocBook, now using reStructuredText and Sphinx |
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Joubu |
and the display is better :) |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual Information how to edit the manual |
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cait |
so now that the technical bits have been improved |
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cait |
we need to start working out how to move forward with how to keep it up to date |
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cait |
but as this is still the 'how does it work topic' - let's talk about this later |
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cait |
if you go to the wiki, you will see that we have tried to describe ways on how to edit the manual |
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barton |
#info Barton Chittenden, bws. |
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cait |
the easiest way is using gitlab, as it doesn't require you to install anything |
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TGoat |
#info TGoat |
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wahanui |
#info TGoat is going to work on fundraising |
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cait |
you can do it all in the browser, make changes to a file and create a 'merge request' that the documentation team will review and then merge into the manual |
| 21:09 |
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LeeJ |
and I took the liberty of creating a quick YouTube video to demonstrate how to make changes and commit them to be merged! |
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cait |
thx! |
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LeeJ |
#link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwH7-wO2Gs video tutorial how to use GitLab |
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cait |
#info LeeJ created a YouTube video to make the process easier to understand |
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atheia |
I can see it is linked in to the Getting_Involved page. That's cool :-) |
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Freddy_Enrique |
LeeJ++ |
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LeeJ |
:) |
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cait |
nicely jzairo has created a new merge request just before the meeting, so I can show you ;) |
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cait |
#link https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]cs/merge_requests Merge requests |
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LeeJ |
jzairo++ |
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cait |
if one wants to, you can of course also use git locally and submit changes from there, there is also some instructions for that |
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cait |
and LeeJ has started work to add the tools to the kohadevbox |
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cait |
#info LeeJ has started to add the kohadoc tools to kohadevbox |
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LeeJ |
yes! with tcohen's help we have the ability to enable kohadocs as well as sync the kohadocs repo from the user.yml file |
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cait |
a great plus for Sphinx is that it#s super easy to generate the manual in different formats |
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cait |
html for our websites, but also epub |
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cait |
it's just one command |
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LeeJ |
with that being said, creating a merge request is yet untested via command line as I have had a hard time figuring out a way to connect the keys GitLab requires to do it |
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cait |
#link https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]vs-users/kohadocs Instructions on how to create the manual locally |
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LeeJ |
so if anyone would like to help me figure out a way we'd be grateful :) |
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cait |
ok, any questions about the technical stuff? I will try to answer best I can :) |
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francharb |
yes |
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Joubu |
how do we translate it? :) |
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cait |
you are jumping topics heh |
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francharb |
is there a way to generate the manual for 16.05 with sphinx |
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francharb |
? |
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cait |
both good questions |
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cait |
I think we will talk about translating a little later if that's ok? |
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Joubu |
yep |
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cait |
francharb: I think it would technically be possible, but I am not sure if it makes sense |
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cait |
with the conversion the links in the help files in Koha have to be changed |
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cait |
and also a lot of work has been done to fix some other problems with the conversion like fixing the links inside the manual between chapters |
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francharb |
it's because the translation would be easier from the splitted po files that comes with the new documentation process |
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francharb |
ok |
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francharb |
got it |
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cait |
Joubu++ for doing those 2 things for u |
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cait |
s |
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Joubu |
scripting++ :) |
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francharb |
@cait, @Joubu issues fixed manually? |
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huginn |
francharb: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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Joubu |
francharb: bug 18817 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18817 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Update links in the help files for the new 17.11 manual |
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Joubu |
for the links from the Koha codebase |
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Joubu |
and this is the change for the manual: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]merge_requests/34 |
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francharb |
ok |
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francharb |
thanks |
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cait |
if it's ok i will move on |
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cait |
we will get to the translation bits sooner |
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cait |
#topic What's been done so far |
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Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
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cait |
#info We set up instructions and documentation on how to edit the manual |
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cait |
#info Alex Buckley added new chapters for the installation process and onboarding tool |
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LeeJ |
yay! |
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Freddy_Enrique |
heh :) |
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cait |
#info Lee J has updated and added missing system preference up to the current state of things |
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cait |
#info Joubu has fixed the inter-manual links and 17.11 will link to the new manual from the help files |
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cait |
#info Jessica Zairo has added information about the Article Request feature |
| 21:21 |
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cait |
did I forget something? |
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LeeJ |
uhhh...not that I can think of |
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jzairo |
me either |
| 21:21 |
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cait |
so we have started, but a lot of work remains :) |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wahanui |
hello, wizzyrea |
| 21:22 |
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cait |
since Nicole started her new job the manual hasn't been regularly updated and we need to do a bit of catch up there |
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cait |
#link https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/KohaManualTodo to-do list for manual work |
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BobB |
yeah, from time to time we come across the gaps |
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cait |
I have started a 'framapad' that works like an etherpad, so everyone can just go in and add something |
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cait |
#action all if you notice something is missing from the manual or needs to be corrected, please add a note to the to-do list |
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cait |
I have listed some of the bigger tasks at the top, but there is also a heading for every chapter |
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cait |
for example you could also help by taking the release notes and checking them against the manual, so we get a list of things to add |
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cait |
you can see that jzairo has added a note 'added JZ' to MarcItemFieldsToOrder (description needed) |
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cait |
that's the one in the merge request I showed earlier |
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cait |
jzairo++ |
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LeeJ |
I'd also like to point out that from what I've looked over, the cronjobs section is a bit...haphazard :) |
| 21:25 |
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cait |
oh yes |
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LeeJ |
heh |
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cait |
#info Katrin has removed the SOPAC2 related chapters |
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wizzyrea |
cait++ |
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cait |
#link https://koha-community.org/manual/17.11/html/ Sneak peak for the 17.11 manual created with Sphinx |
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cait |
peek... |
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cait |
? |
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wizzyrea |
peek :) |
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wizzyrea |
(but it's ok) |
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cait |
at the moment that's generated manually by rangi - so it will not be updated immediately with a merge, but you will be able to see your changes there |
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cait |
and also good for checking what's still missing of course |
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LeeJ |
perhaps it might be helpful if whoever adds a note to the to-do list to include a bug number next to their entry if it would be helpful in documenting the item to be added |
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francharb |
is it planned to document how to generate the manual bu yourself? |
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cait |
it won't be linked to for now - as we are still working on things and 17.11 has not been released yet |
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cait |
francharb: we already have, take alook at the gitlab start page for the kohadocs I linked earlier |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
it's super easy, clone the kohadocs repo, install some packages, run vrey few commands |
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francharb |
perfect! |
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wahanui |
perfect is the enemy of good |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
kellym++ I just saw another merge request in my inbox :D |
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cait |
ok, now comes the hard part |
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kellym |
I am working with Jzairo on learning the process! |
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cait |
#topic Next steps |
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Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
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cait |
the manual is huuuuuuuge |
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BobB |
and getting huger :) |
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cait |
we think keeping it current can't be done by a single person - we need a team of people doing this |
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LeeJ |
^exactly |
| 21:31 |
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cait |
so we worked to make it as easy as we can and we can help everyone who wants to give it a try |
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Brooke |
it's been a bear for a few years now |
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barton |
could we split it apart? |
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cait |
but rangi and me can't write it all :) even with the help we already got, the more the better it will be |
| 21:31 |
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LeeJ |
and I've been helping when I can :D |
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cait |
barton: if someone wanted to take on a chapter or so - just note it on the todo list |
| 21:32 |
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francharb |
@cait, to me the problem is that sometimes I'm not even sure how new features work |
| 21:32 |
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huginn |
francharb: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 21:33 |
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cait |
#info manual writing is not a single person job - needs a team of people |
| 21:33 |
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barton |
ouch huginn, too soon. |
| 21:33 |
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atheia |
Part of this could be solved by making it a requirement of the QA process to have a draft chapter for the manual for new features perhaps? |
| 21:33 |
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atheia |
(was that already decided upon?) |
| 21:33 |
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jzairo |
teamwork! |
| 21:33 |
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cait |
not yet |
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francharb |
can we ask the sign-offer to do a bit of wrap up about what they tested and how the feature works? |
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LeeJ |
I second atheia's suggestion |
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francharb |
me too |
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atheia |
Well — personally I think it should be the dev's responsibility… |
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cait |
francharb: we could but actually the developers should provide that with their commit messages |
| 21:34 |
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cait |
and test plans |
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wahanui |
test plans are awesome. at least it gives context for where to go even if minimal. |
| 21:34 |
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LeeJ |
that's actually a great idea |
| 21:34 |
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cait |
if anything is unclear, it's always ok to note on the bug and ask |
| 21:34 |
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francharb |
+1 |
| 21:34 |
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cait |
also sign-offers can take notes of course, where something additional had to be set up |
| 21:34 |
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atheia |
agreed. |
| 21:35 |
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cait |
i try that when I run into sometihng, but not sure we can make it a general rule, but it#s a rule that we should have test plans and descriptive commit messages |
| 21:35 |
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cait |
Joubu just sent an emai ltoday to remind devs :) |
| 21:35 |
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georgewilliams |
I think asking sign-offers to do more is problematic considering how hard it can be to get people just to sign off on things |
| 21:35 |
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cait |
georgewilliams: yeah, I am a ibt worried about that too |
| 21:35 |
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francharb |
true |
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atheia |
+1 |
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TGoat |
that's what so important about fundraising georgewilliams .. but that's a whole different topic |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
but yeah, if you don't understand, please ask and make notes |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
even documentation bug reports |
| 21:36 |
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atheia |
Whereas if an organization / individual has a stake in adding a feature, they would also have the incentive to document it (even if they don't enjoy that process) |
| 21:36 |
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BobB |
cait the 'todo' list is where everything is controlled? |
| 21:37 |
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BobB |
so if working on something, we should grab it there? |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
#action all - a 'Manual' keyword has been added to Bugzilla - please mark bugs that you think needs something added or changed in the manual (ideally with a comment) |
| 21:37 |
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BobB |
it would be sad to document something and then find someone else beat you to it |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
BobB: for now I think yes - I wanted to keep it a bit lower barrier than bugzilla even |
| 21:37 |
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barton |
I think that documentation should be a QA requirement -- not necessarily that the dev needs to do it themselves, but they should be responsible for making sure that it gets done. |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
if that doesn't work we can of course do something else |
| 21:37 |
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Joubu |
I think the developper must provide a description of what the new ft/enh is supposed to do. But it would make sense to have dedicated persons to "translate" developper language into manual sentences :) |
| 21:37 |
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BobB |
barton +1 |
| 21:38 |
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georgewilliams |
Joubu+ |
| 21:38 |
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LeeJ |
barton++ Joubu++ |
| 21:38 |
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atheia |
Barton, I like your idea. |
| 21:38 |
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irma |
Joubu+ |
| 21:38 |
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Joubu |
I will be terrible at describing correctly what my features do :) |
| 21:38 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Joubu++ |
| 21:38 |
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cait |
#action all - if you start working on some addition to the manual, please add a note on the to-do list (like 'cait working on this') |
| 21:39 |
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rangi |
here now |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
there is also a module for documentation on Bugzilla |
| 21:40 |
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atheia |
Whilst I understand your perspective Joubu [some people just aren't great communicators — or there might be language issues for devs], at the same time I feel devs should be expected to take responsibility for the code they add by documenting it. |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
I will try to add saved searches for both and the links to the wiki and the to-do list |
| 21:40 |
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LeeJ |
hi rangi |
| 21:40 |
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indradg |
#info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, India |
| 21:40 |
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atheia |
That's why I like Barton's harder requirement of the dev/organization having responsibility to get someone to write the documentation. |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
#action cait to add saved searches and links to them for the Manual keyword and Documentation module from Bugzilla |
| 21:40 |
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atheia |
That could be a dedicated specialist or anyone else… |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
I am not sure we have the people for that |
| 21:42 |
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Joubu |
The manual needs to keep a certain homogeneity/consistency, if 30 different guys are going to describe features in 30 different ways... it will be a mess |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
but devs should try to document as best as they can |
| 21:42 |
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rangi |
Joubu: thats what editors do |
| 21:42 |
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rangi |
im happy to edit |
| 21:42 |
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georgewilliams |
rangi+ |
| 21:42 |
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rangi |
but i dont have time to read everyones features to figure out what they do |
| 21:42 |
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Joubu |
I would prefer to work with someone, incrementaly |
| 21:43 |
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rangi |
if they write it as best they can, i can edit that |
| 21:43 |
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rangi |
(new features this is) |
| 21:43 |
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bag |
also that is too much work |
| 21:43 |
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BobB |
the workflow is that the documentor submits a merge request? then an editor can finesse it, is that right? |
| 21:43 |
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Joubu |
rangi: yes, it's more or less what we said, devs have to describe the feature in the commit message + test plan already |
| 21:43 |
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rangi |
Joubu: yeah, but they don't ;) |
| 21:43 |
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rangi |
BobB: yes |
| 21:43 |
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barton |
bag: supporting undocumented features is a lot of work too. |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
yep or can help the committer improve it |
| 21:44 |
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Joubu |
maybe they don't, but they should |
| 21:44 |
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cait |
yeah i think if we have a good manual, we are also less likely to break features noone knew about (hopefully) :) |
| 21:44 |
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Joubu |
(and have to) |
| 21:44 |
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bag |
I mean for an editor barton ;) |
| 21:44 |
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rangi |
bag: we have a coms team at work i can lean on for help |
| 21:44 |
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atheia |
Joubu — just to clarify, do you also agree that having this description, whether as a draft chapter or extensive commit messages, should be a QA requirement for new features? |
| 21:45 |
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atheia |
ah k, |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
atheia: itis |
| 21:45 |
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rangi |
what they cant do is figure out from a 10 line commit message what the feature does |
| 21:45 |
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atheia |
sorry saw your later messag later :-) |
| 21:45 |
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rangi |
but they can certainly tidy up peoples english |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
i mean we already have rules about test plans and commit messages |
| 21:46 |
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bag |
sweet - up - let’s get all the commits first - and then we can figure out the quality aspect - and it looks like rangi’s got ideas for that |
| 21:46 |
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rangi |
we must all have some specs/docs from the people who want the feature right? even making them available would help |
| 21:46 |
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cait |
yep |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
and if a library writes something and is not sure about how to get it in the manual |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
jzairo++ |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
I am willing to format it |
| 21:47 |
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LeeJ |
would it be worth entertaining the idea of a documentation/manual notes textarea in the bug header? For example, say under the field "Text to go in the release notes"? |
| 21:47 |
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LeeJ |
in terms of bugs for new features |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
i think its easier to find people to 'fix' stuff, than to write stuff :) |
| 21:47 |
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bag |
hmm not a bad idea |
| 21:47 |
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Brooke |
LeeJ +1 |
| 21:47 |
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wizzyrea |
vaguely hard with screen shots. |
| 21:47 |
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barton |
LeeJ +1 |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
I was going to suggest to revive the koha-docs mailing list for things like that |
| 21:48 |
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cait |
LeeJ: I am not sure, but the fields might be limited in size |
| 21:48 |
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bag |
good point wizzyrea - can we hack bugzilla to meet that need? |
| 21:48 |
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indradg |
cait +1 |
| 21:48 |
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rangi |
i like the ml idea |
| 21:48 |
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barton |
I'd subscribe to koha-docs in a heartbeat. |
| 21:48 |
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rangi |
because people dont need a login for that |
| 21:48 |
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cait |
sec I wil get a link |
| 21:48 |
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cait |
hm they have to sign up tho |
| 21:49 |
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rangi |
yeah but thats it |
| 21:49 |
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rangi |
then the mail just arrives |
| 21:49 |
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bag |
is a login a big barrier - (I don’t know) |
| 21:49 |
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Joubu |
Why not use the regular one with a [koha-docs] tag? That can motivate people to be involved if they see stuffs going on |
| 21:49 |
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LeeJ |
wizzyrea maybe have some sort of annotation mark in the potential documentation textarea corresponding to a bug attachment of screenshots? |
| 21:49 |
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cait |
#link https://lists.koha-community.o[…]istinfo/koha-docs koha-docs mailing list - send us things for the manual! |
| 21:49 |
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cait |
LeeJ: the area is very small, maybe easier to just write a comment and set the keyword |
| 21:49 |
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wizzyrea |
my honest opinion is that bugzilla isn't the place for that |
| 21:49 |
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cait |
or sent an email to the koha-docs |
| 21:49 |
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rangi |
hell if people just put a letter in an envelope and mailed it to me |
| 21:49 |
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wizzyrea |
it's not the best tool. |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
it would be better than now |
| 21:50 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
but i think the ml is good, because lots of people can see it |
| 21:50 |
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LeeJ |
just throwing out ideas :) |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
we can certainly use the release notes from bugzilla too |
| 21:50 |
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cait |
I think we need to built this up - we will happily take any submissions and help people who want to help |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
teo |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
yep even |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
ill take it by carrier pigeon if need be :) |
| 21:51 |
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indradg |
how about filing a linked documentation bug to every new feature / enhancement? The QA tool can check for existence linked doc bug for enh etc? The doc team / volunteers can track the open doc bugs and expand on the dev notes with screenshots and such? |
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rangi |
yes thats the documentation bird |
| 21:52 |
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rangi |
indradg: that would be good, ideally, but also just random pastes, etc are fine too, what we are lacking is content, not process :) |
| 21:52 |
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bag |
yes content is the key |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
it's also a little easier for now to just add the keyword to the bug |
| 21:53 |
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cait |
less work for the person going through those atm |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
if suddenly we get so much, that we need to implement stricter process, we can deal with that, i will love that to happen, but for now, however people want to submit changes is great |
| 21:53 |
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cait |
but we might get to a more refined process once the ball is rolling |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
yes, what she said |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 21:53 |
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bag |
what is the current content rate - 2~3 a week? |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
a month |
| 21:54 |
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bag |
wow |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
yep, we got room to improve ;) |
| 21:54 |
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rangi |
without LeeJ, jzairo, cait, and kelly .. its almost zero |
| 21:54 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
holy..... |
| 21:54 |
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bag |
That’s probably an important data point to be included as an #note or whateever in the meeting notes |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
to give some examples |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
we are looking for people to write: |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
- patron clubs |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
- advanced cataloguing editor (rancor) |
| 21:55 |
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jzairo |
I can get patrons clubs in there |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
- housebound |
| 21:55 |
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jzairo |
and an update for rancor |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
:) |
| 21:55 |
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LeeJ |
jzairo++ |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
just to give examples for big stuff that is missing |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
and being missed! |
| 21:56 |
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bag |
awesome jzairo - we need to recruit others to help submit ;) |
| 21:56 |
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bag |
probably a good thing to bring to the kohaus meetings jzairo |
| 21:56 |
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cait |
Bywater has some great tutorials (love them) - a lot of that would make good manual content |
| 21:56 |
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atheia |
Ooh housebound has no documentation? |
| 21:56 |
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LeeJ |
cait: maybe a good starting point would be just to compile a list in the to-do of just the titles of missing entries? |
| 21:56 |
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atheia |
I should be able to get a draft for that… |
| 21:56 |
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cait |
atheia: developer missed to write it up ;) |
| 21:56 |
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Joubu |
vi misc/cronjobs/CONFIGURE.gmail |
| 21:56 |
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atheia |
indeed *blush* |
| 21:56 |
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Joubu |
oops, sorry |
| 21:56 |
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TGoat |
georgewilliams and CrispyBran are here jzairo |
| 21:56 |
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bag |
and TGoat ^^ |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
heh, multitasking Joubu |
| 21:57 |
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Joubu |
(wt is that??) |
| 21:57 |
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cait |
LeeJ: yep - I think release notes woudl be good starting point, check enh listed there |
| 21:57 |
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cait |
#action atheia to write something about housebound |
| 21:57 |
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bag |
atheia++ you’re all good dood |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
with the tool alexbuckley_ is working on, it would be great to link the bits straight to the manual too |
| 21:57 |
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cait |
jzairo: do you really want to take on both? or start with patron clubs? :) |
| 21:57 |
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CrispyBran |
??? |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
(the list of heres what changed in your upgrade too) |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
tool even |
| 21:58 |
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jzairo |
I have been working with kidclamp on rancor |
| 21:58 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 21:58 |
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jzairo |
and khall talked to me about patron clubs |
| 21:58 |
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jzairo |
so I can try and tackle both of those |
| 21:58 |
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cait |
#action jzairo to take on patron clubs and advanced cataloguing |
| 21:59 |
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TGoat |
jzairo++ |
| 21:59 |
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cait |
cool :) |
| 21:59 |
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cait |
i am sure there will be more on the list to pick soon! |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
i'd like to add another topic to talk about translation, if that's ok? |
| 22:00 |
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BobB |
ok |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
#topic Translation |
| 22:00 |
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Topic for #koha is now Translation (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
| 22:00 |
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Joubu |
yes! :) |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
sorry you had to wait so long Joubu :) |
| 22:00 |
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barton |
#link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]n%20Documentation |
| 22:00 |
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TGoat |
cheer up Joubu :D |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
barton: coudl you add in Keyword = Manual? that would be awesome |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
hm not sure you can do or |
| 22:01 |
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Joubu |
barton: does not work |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
so translation |
| 22:01 |
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wahanui |
so translation is working now too? |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
with DocBook the translation was done using a po file |
| 22:01 |
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bgkriegel |
Hi, I was working on this a bit |
| 22:01 |
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barton |
Joubu: I think I need to make it public. |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
Sonia noted on the list that she would really like to add translated screenshots too |
| 22:02 |
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bgkriegel |
to translate you need to generate po files, and then translate them |
| 22:02 |
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barton |
cait: Keyword = Manual => Zarro Boogs found. |
| 22:02 |
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bgkriegel |
I need to install a tool, sphinx-intl |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
barton: hm can't be - I will try and take a look later |
| 22:03 |
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bgkriegel |
for example: make gettext; sphinx-intl update --language=fr; translate po in source/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/; make -e SPHINXOPTS="-D language='fr'" html |
| 22:04 |
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bgkriegel |
i used old translations, with a bit of scripting to fix things |
| 22:04 |
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bgkriegel |
here you can see the result: http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/16.11/ |
| 22:04 |
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francharb |
which version are you working on @bgkriegel? |
| 22:04 |
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bgkriegel |
those are old languages |
| 22:04 |
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francharb |
ok |
| 22:04 |
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francharb |
16.11 |
| 22:04 |
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bgkriegel |
francharb: not the last one |
| 22:05 |
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bgkriegel |
but it's doable |
| 22:05 |
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francharb |
I think Sonia was also aksing how to get the manual files for 17.05 |
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| 22:05 |
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cait |
with all the changes coming in, i am not sure when it will make sense to start translating |
| 22:05 |
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bgkriegel |
each language adds 2~3 Mb of space, perhaps we could add the files to the repo |
| 22:05 |
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bgkriegel |
po files |
| 22:05 |
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wahanui |
po files are outdated |
| 22:05 |
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cait |
do the translations carry over if no changes? |
| 22:05 |
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francharb |
It should be |
| 22:06 |
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atheia |
I'm afraid I have to clock off — sorry for leaving mid-meeting. Au revoir! |
| 22:06 |
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francharb |
the same way translation works for the interface |
| 22:06 |
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bgkriegel |
yeap |
| 22:06 |
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francharb |
we don't stop translation for the interface because of new features... |
| 22:07 |
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francharb |
I guess it's doable having new material for the manuel and translating at the same time |
| 22:07 |
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LeeJ |
I too have to head out..I'm available by email if anyone needs to reach me :) |
| 22:07 |
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bgkriegel |
I added those po files on translation server: http://translate.koha-communit[…]projects/man1611/ |
| 22:07 |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ |
| 22:07 |
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francharb |
thanks @<bgkriegel> |
| 22:08 |
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cait |
so what's the next step? i think the first Sphinx manual we have is 17.05 - right rangi? |
| 22:08 |
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francharb |
Question : how often should the manual po files be updated ? |
| 22:08 |
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bgkriegel |
but I need to do the same job for 17.05 |
| 22:08 |
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tajoli |
#info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy |
| 22:08 |
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bgkriegel |
16.11 use sphinx |
| 22:09 |
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cait |
ah, i htink we just didn't link it then |
| 22:10 |
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cait |
#info bgkriegel is working on creating po files for the new manuals |
| 22:10 |
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cait |
about the screenshots - I told Sonia it should be possible |
| 22:10 |
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bgkriegel |
The result is not good for arabic, perhaps I need to research a bit more how to do it for RTL languages |
| 22:10 |
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cait |
maybe sending the fiels with the same file names? |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
#info still some issues with Arabic (RTL languages) |
| 22:11 |
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Joubu |
so basically, what can we say to Sonia? |
| 22:12 |
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Joubu |
When will she be able to translate the manual in French? |
| 22:12 |
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francharb |
Is it planned to have this page http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/ generated automaticly every day, every week? |
| 22:12 |
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Joubu |
bgkriegel: (Hi!!) What need to be done to be ready? Do you need help? |
| 22:12 |
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francharb |
So we can work on the manual translation and see the results ? |
| 22:12 |
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bgkriegel |
yeap, will do it |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
i didn't know about that page! |
| 22:13 |
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bgkriegel |
( Hi Joubu:)! ) |
| 22:13 |
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francharb |
For now, we can't control the the translation easily |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
#link http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/ translated manuals overview page |
| 22:13 |
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francharb |
@cait, I discovered it recently as well |
| 22:13 |
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huginn |
francharb: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 22:13 |
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francharb |
I love you huginn |
| 22:14 |
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cait |
ok, moving on? :) |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
#topic Getting more people involved |
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Topic for #koha is now Getting more people involved (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
actually we talked a bit about this |
| 22:15 |
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tajoli |
About https://koha-community.org/documentation/ ? |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
please if you run across someone who you think would want to help, tell them :) |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
or if someone has a great documentation they could share |
| 22:15 |
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Joubu |
not sure I understood, maybe I missed something, will reread |
| 22:15 |
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tajoli |
There are missing link |
| 22:15 |
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tajoli |
links |
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cait |
ok, before we close |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
any questions left open? things people want to add? |
| 22:16 |
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tajoli |
Manuals in french and italian are not linked |
| 22:17 |
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bgkriegel |
tajoli: not generated yet |
| 22:17 |
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bgkriegel |
will do later |
| 22:17 |
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cait |
#topic Set date of next meeting |
| 22:17 |
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Topic for #koha is now Set date of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC Meeting 31 August) |
| 22:17 |
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cait |
is there interest in holding another meeting, maybe in a month? |
| 22:18 |
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jzairo |
yes cait |
| 22:18 |
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BobB |
i think we should, for sure |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
someone please let me know when the manual links on the website need to be added for italian and french |
| 22:18 |
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georgewilliams |
yes |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
september 6th? |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
october you mean? |
| 22:19 |
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BobB |
that's next week cait |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
#info Let wizzyrea know when links need to be added to manuals on k-c.org |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
just can't read a calendar |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 22:19 |
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georgewilliams |
do you mean october 6? |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
29th i think |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
was what i meant :) |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
last week of the next month |
| 22:20 |
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BobB |
not Friday please - it becomes Saturday here |
| 22:20 |
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cait |
i was aiming for thursday |
| 22:20 |
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cait |
it's too late for me :) |
| 22:20 |
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cait |
28th |
| 22:20 |
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cait |
same time? |
| 22:21 |
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BobB |
same time works for me :) |
| 22:21 |
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georgewilliams |
same time is good here |
| 22:21 |
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clintD |
28th Sept? |
| 22:21 |
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francharb |
thanks for the meeting. hope i can make it for the next one! anydate should work for me |
| 22:21 |
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francharb |
bye |
| 22:21 |
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jzairo |
good for me |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
yes clintD |
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tajoli |
About links to italian manuals: I think could be added as soon as possibile. 3.20, 3.22 adnd 16.05 are 100% translated |
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cait |
#agreed Next meeting will be on 28th September, 22 UTC |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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huginn |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-31-21.02.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-08-31-21.02.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]31-21.02.log.html |
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cait |
thanks to all! |
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jzairo |
cait++ |
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jzairo |
thank you cait! |
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irma |
cait+++ |
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BobB |
thank you cait, awesome job again |
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georgewilliams |
thanks |
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kholt |
cait++ |
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tajoli |
thanks |
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Joubu |
cait++ so... for the translation? :D |
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cait |
Joubu: I lay it in the trustworthy hands of bgkriegel :) |
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bgkriegel |
cait++ :) |
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cait |
and give the editing a try... it can be fun :) |
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clintD |
thanks cait. lots to learn |
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Kafilini |
thanks |
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cait |
come and find me here if you get stuck - will help |
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cait |
and fixing a typo just for trying it out is perfectly fine :) |
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clintD |
will do |
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tajoli |
Wizzyrea: I ask to add also 3.20 link. It is still used in Italy |
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wizzyrea |
do you have the link? |
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Joubu |
should not... |
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wizzyrea |
yeah, you should not do that. :/ |
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wizzyrea |
actually |
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wizzyrea |
now I'm thinking about it |
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wizzyrea |
we only put the manual links on there for supported versions. |
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bgkriegel |
Ok, need to go, bye all :) |
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wizzyrea |
(and there may be some curation needed going backwards to support that) |
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tajoli |
3.20: http://translate.koha-communit[…]ual/3.20/it/html/ |
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tajoli |
3.22: http://translate.koha-communit[…]ual/3.22/it/html/ |
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wizzyrea |
I will make a new page for unsupported versions. |
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tajoli |
16.05: http://translate.koha-communit[…]al/16.05/it/html/ |
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tajoli |
Ok Wizzyrea. |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea is here to help. And sometimes hinder. But mostly help. |
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wizzyrea |
tajoli is that better https://koha-community.org/doc[…]pported-versions/ |
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wizzyrea |
it certainly makes the documentation page cleaner. |
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wizzyrea |
https://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
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tajoli |
I also think it's a good idea |
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tajoli |
# quit |
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