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mtj++ |
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hi fridolin |
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cait: bonjour |
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cait |
good morning atheia |
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Good morning! |
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the only good morning is a dead one |
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Think I may have to quit and rejoin… |
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phew. Think I got it now. |
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Somehow ended up with both Polari & Empathy connecting to Koha at once. Got it down to just Polari now :-) |
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atheia: how are things? :) |
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atheia |
cait: Busy busy, but generally good! How about you? |
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same |
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hi #koha |
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hi marcelr |
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o/ |
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morning #koha |
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LeeJ |
dev meeting is in an hour correct? |
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kidclamp |
49 minutes :-) |
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kidclamp: thanks..still getting used to UTC conversions :) |
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kidclamp |
I use the link every time |
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tcohen |
hi everyone |
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hi Leej tcohen and kidclamp |
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hi marcelr tcohen |
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waves to tcohen marcelr |
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LeeJ++ |
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mveron |
Hi again #koha |
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Freddy_Enrique |
me: waves at everyone |
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Freddy_Enrique |
anyone here? :) |
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tcohen |
hi mveron Freddy_Enrique |
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mveron |
:-) |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Pleased to meet you |
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waves to Freddy_Enrique mveron |
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Freddy_Enrique |
I hope you can aid me with this questions |
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Freddy_Enrique |
these* |
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LeeJ |
we'll certainly try! |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Yay, well. I'm not so familiar with opac customization. if I want to make my OPAC look like this: https://snag.gy/UEVwOv.jpg |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Will I only need the web interface to do that? or should I touch config files? |
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Freddy_Enrique: for OPAC visual customizations you should only need to touch OPAC template files |
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so...no Koha administration interface |
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Freddy_Enrique |
could you tell me which files I need to config |
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Freddy_Enrique |
As far as I know, I can change my staff interface too, but I'm happy how it looks :) |
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LeeJ |
Freddy_Enrique: well it may be possible to do quite a bit of customization from the web interface staff client using the Administration interface's CSS and JS fields |
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LeeJ |
let me see if I can remember the syspref names |
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thanks :) |
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LeeJ |
Freddy_Enrique: OPACUserCSS and OPACUserJS are the two system preferences that would control the OPAC appearance |
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Uhm... what would you recommend? system preferences or config files? |
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Freddy_Enrique: though they may restrict what you hope to accomplish. If so, template files are located under <koha directory>/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl |
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Freddy_Enrique |
ohh..... |
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LeeJ |
Freddy_Enrique: they edit *almost* exactly like regular HTML files. |
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say.... if I change the template, will it automatically load? |
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LeeJ |
Freddy_Enrique: I'd suggest the template files directly because the system preferences may become a problem if a future bug report makes changes to the way it functions |
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Freddy_Enrique: Try to go with the system preferences first like OpacMainUserBlock or OPACUserCSS. If you change template files you risk that they are overwritten with the next update! |
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Freddy_Enrique |
!!! |
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Freddy_Enrique |
let me get this straight....If I change the template files there's a risk That I lose them with upcoming updates? |
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mveron |
Yes. Recommended customising is by system preferences. |
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kidclamp |
you can do a lot in system preferences and with JS |
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Freddy_Enrique |
I see. Ill fisrt try with system preferences then. I heard that there was a second way to customize the OPAC so I wanted to investigate a little bit |
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LeeJ |
listen to mveron and kidclamp they've been doing this much longer than I have :) |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Then. About the picture I posted... how do they do? do they keep a backup of the template to avoid problems with updates? |
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waves to Freddy_Enrique. :) |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Hey there!!!! Dyrcona |
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Freddy_Enrique |
So glad to see you here as well |
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tcohen |
Hi everyone, it is meeting time |
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okay |
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Joubu |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Jul 26 14:00:51 2017 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017' |
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Joubu |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart |
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marcelr |
#info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum |
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tcohen |
#info Tomás Cohen Arazi |
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mkuhn |
#info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland |
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LeeJ |
#info Lee Jamison, Marywood University |
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LibraryClaire |
#info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany |
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cc_ |
#info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe |
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mveron |
#info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz |
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d_antonakis |
#info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens Greece |
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Joubu |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_26_July_2017 |
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kidclamp |
#info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions |
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atheia |
#info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe |
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Joubu |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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Joubu |
Anyone have something to announce? |
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Joubu |
Awesome, next |
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kidclamp |
Koha US is in two weeks |
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kidclamp |
The deadline to register for this conference is next Friday, July 28th. |
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kidclamp |
this friday |
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kidclamp |
http://koha-us.net/index.php/2[…]oha-US_Conference |
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kidclamp |
#link http://koha-us.net/index.php/2[…]oha-US_Conference KohaUS Conference |
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kidclamp |
that's all |
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Joubu |
#topic Update from the Release Manager (17.11) |
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Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Manager (17.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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Joubu |
I will complain a bit, sorry in advance... |
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Joubu |
17.11 cycle has started 2 months ago, an I am feeling a bit struck. |
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Joubu |
How do we do guys? I have created a Kanban to prioritize tasks, I have created a "ws" to display important bugs on your dashboard (if you like) |
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Joubu |
We had (and still have...) a blocker for stable releases for 2 months and only few people are *really* involved. I have to ask for help and ping people individually to get feedback. |
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Joubu |
I have to repeat myself dozen of times and explain again and again the same things, it is really exhausting. |
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Joubu |
Not enough people attend dev meetings (last time we were 2...), my emails on the ML are not read or did not receive the necessary attention, kanban is not followed and the dashboard is ignored. |
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Joubu |
So I have a question, and it is a simple one |
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Joubu |
Where can I put a BIG RED URGENT WARNING to get the needed attention? |
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Joubu |
(Do not tell me I need holidays, I had 10d very lately.) |
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marcelr |
you can't do much more imo |
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Joubu |
This is the first point, I have others. So we can discuss now about it, or just ignore it and I continue with the next one. |
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CJSHayward |
If I create an instance foo, what is the name of the admin user to use to do setup. |
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Joubu |
CJSHayward: meeting time, come back later please |
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CJSHayward |
OK |
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Joubu |
(well, you can stay, but ask later :)) |
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thd |
Joubu: Try more carrots. Carrots are orange, not red :) |
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atheia |
Problem is, what carrots do we have? |
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Joubu |
carrots or baton? |
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atheia |
(I'm speaking as an RM assistant who is painfully aware that I should be doing more here…) |
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Joubu |
The carrots in this case would have been to not get 10 of your customers complaining because they lost circulation data |
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LeeJ |
It's evident the amount of time you've put into the kanban but my question would be (to the community in general) is it possible the kanban is *too* decentralized? |
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mkuhn |
What is a kanban anyway? |
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wahanui |
a kanban is probably https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]rm-1711/wiki/home |
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mkuhn |
There is a lot of good will and competence etc etc - BUT there is also chitter chatter, chaos, ineffiency, few time, frustration, new abbreviations, another new software to communicate etc etc etc - we all have to deal with it. |
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Joubu |
seriously... |
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Joubu |
LeeJ: well, the idea was to centralized things :) |
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thd |
One thing which I have experienced more than I should given my networking situation is the excessive JavaScript running the kanban etc. requires so much RAM that it brings my netbook to a mere crawl. |
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marcelr |
you dont need the kanban to know that this circulation bug is a blocker |
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tcohen |
marcelr is right |
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tcohen |
there's certaintly something wrong on how things are working a while back |
| 14:17 |
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thd |
marcelr++ Bugzilla can be used without draining RAM. |
| 14:18 |
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Joubu |
you have bugzilla, the dashboard and the several emails I sent to koha-devel, no need to use the kanban if you do not want to use it |
| 14:18 |
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Joubu |
tcohen: and? |
| 14:19 |
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Joubu |
guys, are you here or not? |
| 14:19 |
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mkuhn |
How many people are in this chat at the moment, giving their time, waiting for some lines to read, expecting what? |
| 14:19 |
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LeeJ |
second that...as members of the community it is our obligation to take responsibility as a whole for dropping the ball on glaring issues (except for those who handle it regularly) |
| 14:20 |
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tcohen |
Joubu: maybe it is time to accept we are a smaller group of people coding than we thought |
| 14:20 |
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Joubu |
tcohen: ok then I will prefer to spend the next dev cycle to make Koha stable and robust and stop new enh |
| 14:20 |
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LibraryClaire |
with re to the blocker, I had been testing it here at work, but in terms of coding my knowledge runs out. |
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* tcohen |
doesn't like that Joubu |
| 14:21 |
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mkuhn |
Joubu: +1 |
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marcelr |
Joubu: prioritize making it stable but allow enhancements |
| 14:21 |
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kidclamp |
new enhancements draw more people in - but I agree we should resolve blockers as fast possible |
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mveron |
marcelr: +1 |
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Joubu |
I am talking about adding a "BIG WARNING I NEED HELP" that cannot be ignore by other devs |
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Joubu |
and without the need to ping people individually during 2 months |
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Joubu |
It's not related to the size of the group |
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marcelr |
no but why are people less interested ? |
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thd |
I personally have too much of a preoccupation coaxing my elderly neighbour through what is involved in changing her heart valve and living situation which is scary for her after she has spent decades ignoring medicine. |
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mveron |
It's a question of time... |
| 14:23 |
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Joubu |
ok next, I will send I email to the list, please think about it |
| 14:23 |
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tcohen |
this is not a personal question |
| 14:23 |
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Joubu |
next |
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LeeJ |
one thought I have on how to alert more people...is it possible to have some sort of "Needs Urgent Attention" on the BZ homepage? |
| 14:23 |
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tcohen |
to each one to explain why cannot spend more time in Koha |
| 14:23 |
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Joubu |
I would also suggest people to continue/finish what is already in our bug tracker rather than starting new developments. |
| 14:23 |
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atheia |
This may be really frustrating to ask, but maybe the all caps subject line for WARNING I NEED HELP could be useful to prioritise urgent stuff? |
| 14:24 |
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Joubu |
I personnaly will continue to improve our testing suite, write test, reduce execution time, etc. You can follow this job on the kanban. |
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marcelr |
no please |
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wahanui |
http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg |
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marcelr |
atheia: IN NO TIME CAPS ALL OVER THE PLACE |
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atheia |
marcelr: who are you reacting to? |
| 14:25 |
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marcelr |
your question :) |
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atheia |
Well, it could be restricted to the RM for use in their judgement? |
| 14:25 |
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atheia |
clearly it is not right that Joubu is currently simply not getting the attention when he needs it for a critical discussion, |
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thd |
Joubu: I know that the kanban is not essential to accomplishing the necessary tasks, however, I think that it can help despite the resource demand.. |
| 14:25 |
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Joubu |
There is the dashboard, "blocker" and "critical", the saved BZ searches, and the kanban marked "important" with a red flag |
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Joubu |
cannot do more |
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Joubu |
it's your job to check them |
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atheia |
And I'm speaking just for myself here, but I'm drowning in information, so I delete koha email threads on occasion… |
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atheia |
Joubu: fair enough. |
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Joubu |
atheia: you are a good exemple I think |
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Joubu |
what could be added to make it you aware of an important discussion/feedback to follow/give? |
| 14:27 |
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atheia |
I have primarily an email based workflow, which is why I was suggesting the special subject tag. |
| 14:28 |
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atheia |
But if I'm the only one in that position, then maybe it's on me to change my workflow… |
| 14:28 |
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Joubu |
Nope, that cannot work. Are you aware of the "ws" to display the section "BZ status" of our dashboard onto your dashboard? |
| 14:29 |
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atheia |
I wasn't even aware I had my own dashboard? |
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thd |
Joubu: Despite the resource demand, I think the kanban could be more useful if the interface had better ergonomics. Can the kanban be arranged to only require scrolling up and down, not left to right? |
| 14:29 |
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Joubu |
I am talking about that stuff: http://dashboard.koha-community.org/bz_status |
| 14:29 |
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Joubu |
thd: no |
| 14:29 |
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Joubu |
let's continue, I have other things |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
going to c/p |
| 14:30 |
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atheia |
Joubu: cool. I did not know about that. |
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atheia |
I will start using that. |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
I am going to publish the result of the poll (Ready to help the Koha community?) I am still waiting for the 80+ people and 1000h who were ready to dedicate to the project (per month!) |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
The next "what's on in koha-devel" and blog post about the kanban is still on my todo list, will come when the next stable versions will be released. |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
I also have a list of paid support companies to remove from the website, how do I process? |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
Hea: People manage to enter alpha characters in a readonly input, the geolocation data are not always set correctly on the hea website, I fixed it yesterday to display the map correctly. |
| 14:31 |
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atheia |
I imagine this is 4 issues rolled into one discussion? |
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marcelr |
80 guys probably on vacation |
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mkuhn |
Some are giving 0.5 h of their time here at this moment |
| 14:32 |
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Joubu |
Nope, will skip them, not the time to process everything |
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marcelr |
hang on mkuhn |
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Joubu |
#topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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Joubu |
fridolin, mtj ? |
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Joubu |
cait is not around |
| 14:33 |
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Joubu |
ok I will do this job too... |
| 14:33 |
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Joubu |
#info stable release are delayed, because of the checkin/out bugs |
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Joubu |
#info bug 18966 is waiting for QA and block next releases |
| 14:34 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level |
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Joubu |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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marcelr |
our queue is still > 100 |
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marcelr |
we should look at the older ones too.. |
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fridolin |
soorry im quite buzy |
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Joubu |
QAers, nothing else to add? |
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Joubu |
#topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
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Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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Joubu |
subtopic? |
| 14:36 |
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Joubu |
#subtopic REST api |
| 14:36 |
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Joubu |
no |
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thd |
Some things are sadly flat ;( |
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Joubu |
#topic REST api |
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Topic for #koha is now REST api (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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Joubu |
tcohen: ? |
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tcohen |
a while back I tried to propose what's on the wiki, but the meeting didn't take place |
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tcohen |
I basically propose myself to coordinate the efforts to move the REST api patches |
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tcohen |
this means: |
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Joubu |
yes it did, but we were 2... |
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tcohen |
- put all the pieces together |
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tcohen |
- create a more detailed doc with details of the needed endpoints and the current implemetnation statuses |
| 14:39 |
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tcohen |
many of them are already in BZ but need to be refactores |
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tcohen |
d |
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tcohen |
I don't think it is something to be voted |
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tcohen |
I'm just proposing people interested on the REST api evolution |
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tcohen |
can contact me to organize tasks |
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tcohen |
and provide the community with more fine grained details of the goals |
| 14:41 |
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tcohen |
#info We need to push bug 18137 so we move to the new OpenAPI plugin, and all endpoints submitted to bugzilla will need to be refactored (minor changes) |
| 14:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI |
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Joubu |
you have on the kanban (https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]-rm-1711/epic/34) a list of people that said they are interested in helping the REST api work |
| 14:42 |
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Joubu |
if you add a task or let a comment, they will be notified |
| 14:42 |
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tcohen |
Joubu: yes, thanks! |
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tcohen |
OpenAPI requires some dependency changes, Mirko has them packaged already |
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tcohen |
I will try to submit a followup adjusting the deps versions to what Mirko answered |
| 14:43 |
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tcohen |
so pushing it doesn't yield any inconsistency |
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tcohen |
comments? |
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wahanui |
comments are turned on |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
As I said last week I push to master on your go |
| 14:44 |
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tcohen |
#info people interested on the REST api evolution should add thmeselves to the REST epic in Kanban and/or contact tcohen |
| 14:45 |
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kidclamp |
tcohen++ |
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tcohen |
Joubu: thanks, I'll ask Mirko to update the unstable repo so we don't break people's dev environments |
| 14:45 |
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tcohen |
that's all about REST |
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tcohen |
frmo me |
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marcelr |
tcohen++ |
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Joubu |
#topic Development environment |
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Topic for #koha is now Development environment (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
| 14:46 |
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Joubu |
tcohen again? |
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tcohen |
Yup |
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tcohen |
I've been trying to set a more productive dev environment |
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tcohen |
thinking of baking it into kohadevbox too |
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tcohen |
I tried the following editors/IDEs |
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Joubu |
yes that would be great |
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tcohen |
- Visual Studio Code |
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tcohen |
- Sublime 3 |
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tcohen |
- Atom |
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tcohen |
- Komodo IDE |
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tcohen |
- Eclipse |
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tcohen |
remote debugging Perl apps requires using a bridge lib that implements some remote debugging abstract protocol |
| 14:48 |
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tcohen |
and translates to perl -d |
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Joubu |
- Vim |
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tcohen |
Joubu: yes, Vim too |
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Joubu |
seen the wiki page, right? |
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wahanui |
I haven't seen 'the', Joubu |
| 14:49 |
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tcohen |
Joubu: yes |
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tcohen |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Debugging_in_VIM |
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tcohen |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Debugging_in_VIM |
| 14:49 |
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tcohen |
the remote debugger lib implements the xdebug protocol |
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tcohen |
people interested should google for xdebug support |
| 14:50 |
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tcohen |
I will send an informative email I think |
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tcohen |
so, to sumarize |
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tcohen |
remote debugguing cli scripts is pretty straightforward |
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tcohen |
what's more difficult is to do it on a running Plack |
| 14:50 |
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tcohen |
that's what I've been playing with |
| 14:51 |
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tcohen |
and I submitted a patch for the koha-plack script |
| 14:51 |
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tcohen |
#link bug 18964 proposes adding a --debugger switch to koha-plack |
| 14:51 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should have a --debug switch |
| 14:51 |
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Joubu |
You managed to make it work under plack? |
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tcohen |
somehow |
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tcohen |
IDE integration was not ideal |
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tcohen |
I think it is a bug in the connector |
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tcohen |
the main complication is URI mapping |
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tcohen |
it is tricky and I think there's a bug in the connector |
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tcohen |
BUT |
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tcohen |
using $DB::single = 1; on the line you want to stop at |
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tcohen |
you can effectively inspect variables, evaluate things, etc |
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tcohen |
my koha-plack tweak is not intended for a specific tool |
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tcohen |
is it just making starman run in single thread mode |
| 14:54 |
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tcohen |
and wrapping all the env needed to make it connect to the remote debugger |
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tcohen |
starting the debug session |
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Joubu |
I will take a look this week |
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tcohen |
anyone willing to put their eyes on koha-plack --debugger, please contact me |
| 14:54 |
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tcohen |
or comment on bugzilla |
| 14:55 |
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tcohen |
I would love to have it in master and be able to add to kohadevbox tools to make it accessible to anyone |
| 14:55 |
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tcohen |
sorry to take the stage for this ling |
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tcohen |
*long |
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Joubu |
#topic help update the manual |
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Topic for #koha is now help update the manual (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
| 14:56 |
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Joubu |
From cait: |
| 14:56 |
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Joubu |
We are looking for volunteers to help update the manual, please get in touch or just give it a try (see Editing the Koha Manual for instructions) |
| 14:56 |
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Joubu |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual |
| 14:56 |
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Joubu |
#info We are looking for volunteers to help update the manual, please get in touch |
| 14:56 |
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LeeJ |
Also I created a quick YouTube video that shows the edit process |
| 14:56 |
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LeeJ |
the video is linked in the Editing the Koha Manual wiki |
| 14:57 |
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Joubu |
LeeJ++ |
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Joubu |
#topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
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Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
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Joubu |
something? |
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wahanui |
something is probably fishy |
| 14:57 |
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Joubu |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017) |
| 14:57 |
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kidclamp |
I am working with Khall towards getting ES sandboxes setup |
| 14:57 |
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kidclamp |
you are fast man :-) |
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Joubu |
nothing on the agenda man :) |
| 14:58 |
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kidclamp |
I wanted to say any comments on bug 18948 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Elasticsearch - Reindexes should use aliases to avoid down time while reindexing |
| 14:58 |
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kidclamp |
or bug 18950 |
| 14:58 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18950 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Elasticsearch - Add password access for admin functions |
| 14:58 |
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kidclamp |
woudl be appreciated, these will both ease testability of ES |
| 14:59 |
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kidclamp |
I will try to send an updated ES status soon - stil things to work on, but I am excited about possibilities |
| 14:59 |
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kidclamp |
thanks Joubu |
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Joubu |
kidclamp: could you add the new ES bug to the kanban? |
| 14:59 |
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Joubu |
I did it few weeks ago |
| 14:59 |
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kidclamp |
can do |
| 14:59 |
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Joubu |
It helps to have a good overview of what is in the bug report |
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LeeJ |
if it's alright I'd like to also point out I'm working with cait on getting the Koha manual command line method integrated in kohadevbox |
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Joubu |
LeeJ: do you have a link? |
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LeeJ |
Joubu: the steps to setup for working with the command line method are in the Editing the Koha Manual wiki |
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Joubu |
to integrate in kohadevbox, did not you open an issue on the github? |
| 15:02 |
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Joubu |
of KohaDevBox |
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LeeJ |
Joubu: ah! yes I misunderstood! One moment |
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LeeJ |
Joubu: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/202 |
| 15:03 |
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Joubu |
#link https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/202 |
| 15:03 |
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Joubu |
thx |
| 15:03 |
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Joubu |
Next meeting: August 9, 21 UTC? |
| 15:03 |
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Joubu |
We were 2 at the last 21UTC meeting |
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tcohen |
Joubu: 21 is the time I pick Manuel |
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kidclamp |
21 is to catch NZ folks I think, 22 maybe? |
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Joubu |
#info Next meeting: August 9, 22 UTC |
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Joubu |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | kanban is https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]rm-1711/wiki/home |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Jul 26 15:05:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-26-14.00.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-07-26-14.00.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]26-14.00.log.html |
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tcohen |
cool :-D thanks kidclamp |
| 15:06 |
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tcohen |
Joubu++ |
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thd |
21 or 22 UTC is more likely to be a conflict for me than earlier hours. |
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eythian |
wahanui: forget a kanban |
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wahanui |
eythian: I forgot kanban |
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mveron |
Joubu++ |
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LeeJ |
Joubu++ # for putting up with everyone's shenanigans |
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eythian |
wahanui: forget \a kanban |
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wahanui |
eythian, I didn't have anything matching \a kanban |
| 15:06 |
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eythian |
wahanui: kanban is <reply>https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]ha-rm-1711/kanban |
| 15:06 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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kidclamp |
Joubu++ |
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kidclamp |
Joubu++ |
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LeeJ |
kidclamp: maybe put Joubu in a for loop? |
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Joubu |
with a not $joubu->burning_out condition |
| 15:09 |
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Joubu |
To make things clear: I will not push anything "big" until I do not have a BIG F!!** RED BUTTON to get attention on something |
| 15:11 |
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thd |
Joubu: Only rest, relaxation, and sleep protect against burn out. Above all sleep. [I have been well past burn out point in the past month and a half helping my neighbour who could not even let visiting nurses into the building herself.] |
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LeeJ |
Joubu: yes...with that not condition! |
| 15:15 |
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Joubu |
I cannot sleep more, trust me. And I am not going to burn out either, no worries :) |
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eythian |
Joubu: sounds like you have time for porting koha to perl 6. |
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thd |
:) |
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Joubu |
I was more thinking about Java |
| 15:16 |
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Joubu |
or Pascal, to make things fun |
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mveron |
Basic? |
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eythian |
been a good year or 15 since I've done pascal in anger. |
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thd |
If BASIC had the equivalent of CPAN we would all still be using it ;) |
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mveron |
APL? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ramming_language) |
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* mveron |
did his very first programming with APL |
| 15:21 |
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Joubu |
kidclamp: To me the "assign to" of the kanban is not the one from BZ. If the card is in "Ready for test" the assignee is the one who is going to test it |
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thd |
I grew up with the MELVYL system using APL created by the California Digital Library as an automation system for the University of California and other state libraries. |
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Freddy_Enrique |
uhm... did the meeting end |
| 15:23 |
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Freddy_Enrique |
? |
| 15:23 |
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kidclamp |
Ah, okay, I misunderstood |
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thd |
Freddy_Enrique: yes |
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Freddy_Enrique |
^_^ |
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mveron |
For your OPAC customization: Maybe you can find some inspiration here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_customized_OPACs |
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mveron |
...and here: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]5/en/impopac.html |
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mveron |
Freddy_Enrique: ^ |
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Freddy_Enrique |
mveron: thanks, ill take a look and see what happens :) |
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mveron |
Welcome :-) |
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* thd |
needs to try returning to sleep to have any chance of being productive later today. |
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Freddy_Enrique |
if I want to change font and color do I need to tocuh this file? opac.css? |
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Freddy_Enrique |
touch* |
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eythian |
don't touch installed files |
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eythian |
I think there's a syspref that allows you to provide your own CSS file |
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eythian |
if you edit existing files, they may be overwritten when you next upgrade. |
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Freddy_Enrique |
eythian: got it |
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mveron |
Freddy_Enrique: Use OPACUserCSS if you want to define styles (colors) for OPAC, or use opaclayoutstylesheet to point to a CSS file on your Koha server |
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Freddy_Enrique |
mveron: Do you recommend a particular software to make changes to this file? |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Wait, my bad. Not gonna change it directly, first I'm gonna make a copy of it |
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Freddy_Enrique |
I found it here /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/opac.css |
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Freddy_Enrique |
if i were to change it to custom_opac.css, then I should point it using opaclayoutstylesheet indicating that name? |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18966: Do not deal with duplicate issue_id on checkin <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c48014fce8bc17eec> / Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in template for holds <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]531aad6b3e1e665f3> / Bug 18931: (followup) Tidy text <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]it;a=commitdiff;h |
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Joubu |
@later tell fridolin for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
@later tell cait for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
@later tell mtj for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152 : fix unimarc label in SetMarcUnicodeFlag" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a34a749f4e87da84> / Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152: Add tests" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a24340564f61cd5e7> |
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* cait |
waves |
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Joubu |
hi cait |
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cait |
just got your later - cooking dinner, then checking on the bugs and meeting logs |
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cait |
jzairo: around? |
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cait |
just saw the email from gitlab |
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jzairo |
cait |
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jzairo |
I am |
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* LeeJ |
waves to cait |
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Joubu |
lari++ |
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LeeJ |
cait: I put in a plug at the dev meeting about the kohadocs integration into devbox :) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18976: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Search/History.t cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d29fff8bc963e5291> / Bug 18976: Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0dd3c5d757aba3a19> / Bug 18977: Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ |
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cait |
LeeJ++ :) |
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cait |
I mentioned your youtube video |
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cait |
wrote sth for the next what#s on |
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jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D8 build #229: ABORTED in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/229/ |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18982: Remove data in the correct order |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page - MySQL AI |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: Add items/deleteditems tables |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18982 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , selenium tests needs too many prerequisites |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in SQL statement |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: (followup) Tidy text |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in template for holds |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18966: Do not deal with duplicate issue_id on checkin |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18931 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15140 (QA Followup) lowercase the search index <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1751fada84e5c4b61> / Bug 15140: Display $i when ind2==8 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dd4eae7e28d53a60a> / Bug 15140: Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mmitdiff;h=7b7ffe |
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have a good night #koha |
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Project Koha_Master_D8 build #230: ABORTED in 1 hr 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/230/ |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152: Add tests" |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152 : fix unimarc label in SetMarcUnicodeFlag" |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18977: Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18976: Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18976: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Search/History.t cleanup |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140: Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18910 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Regression: Z39.50 wrong conversion in Unimarc by Bug 18152 |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140: Display $i when ind2==8 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18152 major, P1 - high, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC bib records imported with invalid 'a' char in label pos.9 |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140 (QA Followup) lowercase the search index |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Pushed to Master , Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18976 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Pushed to Master , Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup |
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Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15140 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display |
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^ some tests do not clean up correctly and the selenium tests fail. The patron categories are created with big integer in the fields *fee |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17829: Execute rollingloans tests in a transaction <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]309c3b1c031aec770> |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wahanui |
hello, wizzyrea |
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Project Koha_Master_D8 build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/231/ |
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Jonathan Druart: Bug 17829: Execute rollingloans tests in a transaction |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move GetMember to Koha::Patron |
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