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stozza |
hi all |
| 18:44 |
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stozza |
made some progress :) now I need to populate the catalog starting from a list of ISBN numbers, I'd like to automate it even tho I could manually enter all of them |
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stozza |
best/fastest way? |
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cait |
stozza: there is not a good way using Koha for bulk adds from a isbn list, but a tool like MarcEdit might help you getting the records |
| 21:03 |
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stozza |
I am trying with it |
| 21:03 |
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stozza |
now struggling with another issue: say I have a ISBN number that I cannot find on the z39.50 db I am using |
| 21:03 |
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stozza |
but many ISBN tools on internet can find it |
| 21:03 |
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wizzycray |
You'd have to find a different source for that record |
| 21:03 |
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stozza |
I wonder how I can find the source that got that record |
| 21:03 |
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wizzycray |
a different target or whatever |
| 21:04 |
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wizzycray |
worldcat maybe |
| 21:05 |
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stozza |
I'd need to find the target, and add that to both marcedit (for batch import now) and koha (for future cataloguing) |
| 21:06 |
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wizzycray |
sure |
| 21:06 |
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wizzycray |
if it's one you want to use in the future. |
| 21:06 |
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wizzycray |
otherwise just put it in marcedit |
| 21:07 |
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stozza |
need to find it first |
| 21:09 |
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cait |
hm i think you are using unimarc? so worldcat is probably out |
| 21:10 |
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wizzycray |
oh true, worldcat only good for marc21 |
| 21:10 |
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cait |
is there a free z39.50 to worldcat? |
| 21:10 |
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wizzycray |
naw |
| 21:10 |
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cait |
ah |
| 21:10 |
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wizzycray |
you can look up the records though |
| 21:10 |
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cait |
wondering if they changed that much :) |
| 21:10 |
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wizzycray |
and see places that have them |
| 21:10 |
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wizzycray |
then go to those catalogues |
| 21:10 |
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cait |
ah good point |
| 21:10 |
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wizzycray |
and see if they have targets |
| 21:10 |
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wizzycray |
that's the cheater way to use worldcat :P |
| 21:11 |
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stozza |
nice, that seems what I was looking for :) |
| 21:11 |
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stozza |
from the website? |
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cait |
stozza: maybe you can find osme new targets here http://irspy.indexdata.com/ |
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wizzycray |
or even go to that catalogue, and if it's a Koha, you can download the record from there |
| 21:11 |
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wizzycray |
lots of ways around it. |
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stozza |
I found it on worldcat |
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cait |
there is something called 'italian national library service' |
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stozza |
but not sure how to see what target has it |
| 21:12 |
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cait |
http://irspy.indexdata.com/ful[…]it%3A2100%2Fnopac |
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stozza |
cait I have all of the italian targets from that one |
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cait |
ah ok :) |
| 21:12 |
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stozza |
and can't find these isbn |
| 21:13 |
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stozza |
this one for example 9788809037380 |
| 21:14 |
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cait |
what kind of book is it? |
| 21:15 |
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stozza |
Hans Christian Andersen novels |
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cait |
hm |
| 21:17 |
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cait |
in english? |
| 21:17 |
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stozza |
italian |
| 21:21 |
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stozza |
oh, I think I need to better understand the ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 story. I can't find 9788809037380 on my targets but I can find 8809037383 |
| 21:22 |
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wizzycray |
I don't think that's how that works? |
| 21:22 |
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cait |
maybe another edition |
| 21:22 |
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cait |
? |
| 21:23 |
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cait |
the last digit is different - so that might be the old isbn10 |
| 21:23 |
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stozza |
if I go to isbnsearch.org, and look for 9788809037380, it finds it and gives me the page saying ISBN-13: 9788809037380 ISBN-10: 8809037383 |
| 21:24 |
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stozza |
on my targets the 10 digits one is present |
| 21:24 |
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wizzycray |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ndard_Book_Number there are check digits involved in isbn13, doing the conversion from 10->13 isn't 1 to 1 (i.e. "add 978 and use the 10digit isbn" isn't a thing) |
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wizzycray |
(that I am aware of) |
| 21:24 |
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wizzycray |
oh actually forget that I'm wrong |
| 21:25 |
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wizzycray |
just ignore me |
| 21:25 |
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wizzycray |
but wikipedia is helpful here. |
| 21:25 |
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stozza |
I have ~200 books to start the library and getting crazy to import in batches, I think I will start adding to the catalogue manually |
| 21:27 |
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stozza |
I actually have a CSV with title/author/isbn/etc etc. a lot of info made with a phone app, scanning all the ISBN |
| 21:27 |
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stozza |
can I import it? or doing the field-to-field mapping is a PITA? |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
not directl |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
y |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
you could write a plugin to do it |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
or convert your excel to marc |
| 21:29 |
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stozza |
converting the excel to marc is a possibility |
| 21:29 |
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stozza |
still complicated with marcedit I need to map field by field and I don't really know the UNIMARC format |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
found something here: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]arceditexcel.html |
| 21:30 |
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cait |
hm yeah, but I think you won't get around the mapping |
| 21:30 |
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cait |
koha stored the format intenrally as unimarc/marc21 |
| 21:31 |
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cait |
information on using plugins for importing non-marc data is here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12412 |
| 21:31 |
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huginn |
Bug 12412: new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, CLOSED FIXED, Add ability for plugins to convert arbitrary files to MARC from record staging tool |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
@later tell drojf checked the po files for the 3.22-16.11 complete and no errors |
| 21:36 |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:38 |
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stozza |
how do I manage collections? can't find it on the admin panel |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
stozza: hm? |
| 21:41 |
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stozza |
let me ask the question again after switching the UI to english, I may not be translating properly :) |
| 21:41 |
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stozza |
(and sorry, my english is bad) |
| 21:44 |
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stozza |
ok when adding an item to the catalog, there is a field named "Koha collection" that now has 3 possible values: Fiction, non-fiction, Reference |
| 21:48 |
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stozza |
mh I think these are called Item types |
| 21:50 |
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stozza |
so the question would be how do I manage/add item types and collection codes |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
ah |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
itemtypes are important for your circulation conditions |
| 21:51 |
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stozza |
these may be library settings |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
you will want to kepe this in mind |
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stozza |
ok |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
they are created/managed on administration > itemtypes |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
collections and locations are just for searching/display atm |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
you can change the list in administration > authorised values |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
authorised values are used for a lot of lists in koha - so whenever you see one, good to check if you can change it there |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
the codes are CCODE for collection and LOC for location |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
the codes you currently see are some sample values that got added by the web installer |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
collection and location are optional - your items don't need these, but they can be nice to have |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
itemtype is mandatory |
| 21:54 |
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stozza |
the codes I see that come with the web installer can be edited in administration? |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
yes |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
the itemtypes too |
| 21:55 |
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stozza |
found tht item types |
| 21:55 |
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stozza |
did not find the ccode |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
read above :) you want administration > authorised values > CCODE |
| 21:56 |
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stozza |
ok ccode, sorry I meant collection |
| 21:57 |
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stozza |
that "Fiction/Non-Fiction/Reference" thing |
| 21:58 |
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stozza |
ohhhh |
| 21:58 |
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stozza |
yes ok ok |
| 21:59 |
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stozza |
authorized values, that is clear now. I am slow sometimes :) |
| 21:59 |
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stozza |
now the kids went to bed I am devoting 92% of my brains to koha |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
heh |
| 22:09 |
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stozza |
adding an Item, I don't have the LOC field, what did I miss? |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
hm |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
i am not sure, i usually work with marc21 |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
so not totally sure how the unimarc frameworks are set up |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
there are differences |
| 22:11 |
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stozza |
you know I am thinking about starting from scratch again with MARC21 |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
you could |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
i am nto sure what#s more popular in italy |
| 22:12 |
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stozza |
it seems UNIMARC on koha is not used as much as MARC21 |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
we usually recommend to use whatever it's more popular where you are - so you can use the z39.50 targets of your local national service etc |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
yes, internationally marc21 is more common i'd say |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
unimarc is most commonly used in France still and i think some other european countries - have also heard italy was using it, but not sure how much |
| 22:14 |
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cait |
marc21 is the standard used in US, also in Germany :) |
| 22:14 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: nz too? |
| 22:14 |
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wizzycray |
yep, marc21 all the way here |
| 22:19 |
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stozza |
from a quick search looks like UNIMARC has been historically adopted in Italy but almost every target support both |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
that's cool then |
| 22:26 |
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stozza |
I think so |
| 22:26 |
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stozza |
there is also an Italian Koha user group I could ask.. |
| 22:26 |
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stozza |
but they are on facebook, and I hate it |
| 22:27 |
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wizzycray |
zeno is sometimes around IRC |
| 22:28 |
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wizzycray |
bit awkward time for EU tho :) |
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cait |
yeah |
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* cait |
is not here |
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stozza |
history |
| 22:30 |
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stozza |
ops |
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stozza |
I am creating a new instance from scratch |
| 23:09 |
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stozza |
dropped the koha db and the koha_perone db (my library was called perone) |
| 23:09 |
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stozza |
and I created them again from scratch, and I keep seeing the old catalog. where is it? |
| 23:09 |
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wizzycray |
in the indexes |
| 23:10 |
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wizzycray |
if you koha-rebuild-zebra perone |
| 23:10 |
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wizzycray |
it will go |
| 23:10 |
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wizzycray |
if you koha-rebuild-zebra --full perone |
| 23:10 |
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wizzycray |
don't forget the --full |
| 23:11 |
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stozza |
mmm done, but still there |
| 23:12 |
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wizzycray |
oh, |
| 23:12 |
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wizzycray |
you mean everything comes up, results/detail |
| 23:12 |
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wizzycray |
everything? |
| 23:12 |
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wahanui |
somebody said everything was grilled |
| 23:13 |
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wizzycray |
sh wahanui. |
| 23:13 |
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wizzycray |
or only the results? |
| 23:13 |
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wizzycray |
and you have run the installer |
| 23:13 |
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wizzycray |
and restarted plack (koha-plack --restart perone) |
| 23:13 |
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stozza |
I see the results, including the items |
| 23:13 |
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wizzycray |
and those were the only two instances you had? |
| 23:14 |
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stozza |
yes |
| 23:14 |
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stozza |
I don't have plack, what is it? |
| 23:14 |
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wizzycray |
if you do koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v -v -v perone |
| 23:14 |
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jcamins |
stozza: Zebra used to have a strange quirk where if you have no records at all, it refuses to delete old indexes. That could be your problem here, if it's just the results you're seeing. |
| 23:14 |
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wizzycray |
it will give more output |
| 23:14 |
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wizzycray |
yeah you could try adding just one record |
| 23:14 |
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wizzycray |
then reindexing |
| 23:15 |
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stozza |
ok let me add one |
| 23:15 |
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jcamins |
(that is, if the details links don't work) |
| 23:15 |
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wizzycray |
it still does that afaik i thought maybe it was fixed tho |
| 23:15 |
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wizzycray |
but yk, it's hard to know. |
| 23:17 |
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stozza |
ok added a record now the rebuild went ok |
| 23:18 |
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jcamins |
wizzycray: I haven't tried it in years, so I hoped that it was no longer happening. |
