IRC log for #koha, 2016-09-14

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04:24 * cait waves
04:25 wizzyrea ~
04:25 wizzyrea !
04:25 wizzyrea hi
04:25 cait hi wizzyrea  :)
04:27 wizzyrea good morning
04:27 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
04:27 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
04:27 wahanui thanks cait :)
04:33 wizzyrea hehe
04:38 cait wizzyrea: long day?
04:38 wahanui rumour has it long day is over. Now for the long night. Have a great day, #koha
04:39 wizzyrea naw, it's only 16:30
04:39 cait oh
04:40 wizzyrea and it's getting into spring so the sun's even still up \o/
04:41 cait dark earleer here  :)
04:42 wizzyrea yeah, the long slow descent to the dark time ^.^
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05:34 dcook wizzyrea: And our triumphant return to the light!
05:35 * magnuse waves
05:36 dcook hey magnuse :)
05:36 magnuse hey dcook
05:36 dcook @later tell tcohen yeah that does sound interesting
05:36 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:36 magnuse september equinox is about a week away, i guess
05:40 dcook :D
05:40 dcook I'm a summer person through and through, despite my Canadian origin
05:40 dcook Not that I mind cold and the winter. Just love me a good summer.
06:07 dcook should be an olympics for coding with a baby in one hand and a keyboard with the other
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06:34 alex_a bonjour
06:34 wahanui hey, alex_a
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07:56 drojf morning #koha
07:57 magnuse moin drojf
07:57 drojf hei magnuse
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08:01 LibraryClaire morning #koha
08:09 magnuse kia ora LibraryClaire and paul_p
08:10 LibraryClaire hi magnuse, paul_p, drojf :)
08:11 LibraryClaire @wunder London, UK
08:11 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (7:20 AM BST on September 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:11 drojf guten morgen LibraryClaire
08:11 * LibraryClaire prepares for day 2 of heatwave
08:11 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:11 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 20.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
08:15 magnuse i was gonna say "back to normal", but i guess it's early yet...
08:19 LibraryClaire yeah
08:19 LibraryClaire skies are clear, sun is out, trains are malfunctioning ;)
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08:54 drojf eurgh warm
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09:06 jransom Hi everyone.
09:07 jransom I am here in Vienna with the IST library staff
09:07 jransom and I have a few questions
09:07 drojf hi jransom, marton, patrick ^^
09:08 jransom Hi Mirko :)
09:09 jransom so can you update me with elastic search.
09:09 jransom is it now fully operational now?
09:10 drojf jransom: most is implemented, but it needs more testing. if IST has time to test, they should try it. not in production though
09:10 drojf or, i would not try it in production yet. they can, if they are adventurous :)
09:10 jransom also another question about searching. can you limit or extend a search to include/exclude abstracts
09:10 jransom thats what thez said!
09:11 jransom they
09:11 jransom is there a test bed server somewhere which can be used
09:11 drojf we need people that try it so they report bugs
09:11 drojf erm. not sure
09:12 drojf rangi wants to update it to do use newer elasticsearch versions. that is the only thing i am aware of that is planned atm
09:12 drojf but i don't know if someone has a test server with es
09:12 drojf have you checked the demo page on the koha website?
09:12 jransom ok. I will ask at hackfest in marseilles
09:14 drojf i am not sure if abstracts are in the any index. otherwise you may have to adjust zebra to have an index that contains what you want (assuming by abstract you mean a 5xx field)
09:14 drojf 520 or what it is (i did not have coffee yet)
09:15 jransom oh thats funny
09:15 jransom well we have some things to follow up on
09:15 jransom thanks <mirko
09:15 drojf have fun :)
09:18 jransom ok thanks mirko
09:20 magnuse gah, missed joann again!
09:22 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:22 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 23.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on September 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
09:22 drojf it feels like 29 already
09:23 LibraryClaire @wunder London, UK
09:23 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 24.0°C (9:20 AM BST on September 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
09:23 drojf you win
09:26 drojf today justin bieber, tomorrow joann. all the celebrities come to berlin
09:30 magnuse yay!
09:35 magnuse drojf: and you'll get to see them both?
09:36 drojf magnuse: only justin
09:36 drojf lol
09:36 drojf nope, skipping the biebs
09:36 magnuse ah, good choice
09:36 drojf i wish david hasselhoff would come to berlin again
09:38 LibraryClaire ^ that quote needs saving
09:39 drojf you can. i don't now how it works though. @quote add or something
09:39 drojf @quote random
09:39 huginn drojf: Quote #243: "only when yousend no patches at all you will never break something" (added by cait at 02:37 PM, April 26, 2013)
09:39 drojf @quote help
09:39 huginn drojf: downloading the Perl source
09:39 drojf no manual ^^
09:40 drojf @help quote
09:40 huginn drojf: Error: There is no command "quote".
09:40 drojf erm. yes. yes there is
09:40 drojf >:(
09:40 drojf @quote drojf
09:40 huginn drojf: downloading the Perl source
09:41 drojf no idea how stuff works in here
09:41 * drojf stops pushing all knobs in panic
09:42 drojf list quote
09:42 drojf hm. works in a private window with huginn
09:42 drojf @list quote
09:42 huginn drojf: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
09:42 drojf ha
09:47 magnuse but you have to register with the bot somehow, i think?
09:47 magnuse @quote stats
09:47 huginn magnuse: There are 306 quotes in my database.
09:47 magnuse @quote 123
09:47 wahanui @quote get 123
09:47 huginn magnuse: I suck
09:47 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:47 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
09:48 magnuse @quote get 306
09:48 huginn magnuse: Quote #306: "<cait> i can not not plan! i am german!" (added by eythian at 06:23 AM, June 30, 2014)
09:48 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
09:48 magnuse it's been a long time since i saw anyone adding a new quote
09:48 drojf @quote add magnuse: it's been a long time since i saw anyone adding a new quote
09:48 huginn drojf: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
09:49 drojf yep
09:49 drojf not in the inner circle of the quote people
09:50 drojf magnuse: i guess all the cool stuff has already been said
09:51 magnuse @quote add <drojf> i wish david hasselhoff would come to berlin again
09:51 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.  Quote #321 added.
09:51 magnuse @quote get 321
09:51 huginn magnuse: Quote #321: "<drojf> i wish david hasselhoff would come to berlin again" (added by magnuse at 09:51 AM, September 14, 2016)
09:52 magnuse ok, pm huginn and say "register <name> <password>" + identify <name> <password>
09:52 magnuse et voila!
09:52 drojf magic!
09:52 magnuse yes!
09:53 magnuse @quote add <cait1> log all the things!
09:53 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.  Quote #322 added.
09:55 magnuse add a quote is pm huginn and say "register <name> <password>" + "identify <name> <password>"
09:55 magnuse add a quote?
09:55 wahanui i think add a quote is pm huginn and say "register <name> <password>" + "identify <name> <password>"
09:56 drojf magnuse++ # documenting all the things
09:56 magnuse hehe
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10:27 vfernandes hi #koha
10:28 vfernandes the members of Koha committee in this page[…]ect-organization/ are updated?
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11:40 oleonard Hi #koha
11:42 drojf hi oleonard
11:42 wahanui hi oleopard
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11:55 oleonard Joubu++ # Thanks for the koha-devel update
12:28 magnuse @karma Joubu
12:28 huginn magnuse: Karma for "Joubu" has been increased 353 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 353.
12:28 magnuse yeah Joubu++
12:28 magnuse @karma Joubu
12:28 huginn magnuse: Karma for "Joubu" has been increased 354 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 354.
12:28 magnuse @karma
12:28 huginn magnuse: Highest karma: "cait" (391), "Joubu" (354), and "tcohen" (251).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-31), "failed" (-28), and "<-" (-26).  You (magnuse) are ranked 13 out of 641.
12:30 Joubu Thanks, happy to hear it's useful :)
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12:33 drojf ie--
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12:38 oleonard drojf: Was that just for good measure, or are you forced to use it?
12:38 tcohen morning
12:38 LibraryClaire hi tcohen
12:42 drojf oleonard: just because it showed up in the karma ranking
12:42 drojf i don't think anyone can force me to use ie anymore :P
12:42 tcohen Joubu: around?
12:43 Joubu tcohen: yep
12:48 drojf later #koha
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12:59 vfernandes the members of Koha committee in this page[…]ect-organization/ are updated?
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13:03 barton Joubu++
13:04 barton ^^ for "What's on Koha devel #4"
13:04 barton I love reading those.
13:05 magnuse vfernandes: i think bag should be on that list? and Frédéric Démians is not Translation Manager any longer... not sure how up to date it is
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13:13 vfernandes thanks magnuse
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13:42 Joubu serials search is broken in stable branch, see bug 17300 for a fix
13:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17300 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serials search does not return any results
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13:53 aroussos Joubu: I'm keen to test and sign off on this one, but how do I set my git install to work on the stable branch?
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13:54 Joubu aroussos: test it against master
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13:56 aroussos Joubu: OK thx
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13:59 Dyrcona Whee! Fun with Internet connections.
14:01 LibraryClaire @wunder London, UK
14:01 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 26.0°C (2:50 PM BST on September 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
14:02 Dyrcona So, I can't get to freenode. I'm going to stay oftc until I get freenode working again so as not to spam the channel with connect and disconnect messages.
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15:00 reiveune bye
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16:05 oleonard Joubu's git-bz auto-dependency handling is magical!
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17:16 Guest374 Hello kohaphiles
17:17 Guest374 i need assisting in setting up a hold / transfer mini system
17:17 Guest374 help
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17:18 Guest374 koha is very techie, and i just need to find out where do I need to go in KOHA to be able to set everything up
17:22 Guest374 is there a specific help desk?  contact? support?  If I am in the wrong place?
17:23 oleonard Guest374: This is the right place to talk about Koha, but it isn't a help desk
17:23 oleonard People will help if they can, but it helps to have specific questions
17:23 oleonard See other support options here:
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17:25 confused_ hello
17:25 wahanui hola, confused_
17:25 confused_ hola
17:25 confused_ I accidently logged before
17:26 JesseM Guest374: Have you had a chance to look through the manual? http://translate.koha-communit[…]libtransferlimits
17:26 confused_ I need assistance in setting up a hold / transfer mini system
17:27 JesseM http://translate.koha-communit[…]esktop/#transfers
17:31 confused_ I have gone over the manual
17:33 confused_ Is there a support email contact?
17:35 tcohen confused_: you can subscribe the General Koha mailing list, and ask your questions there
17:35 tcohen if you want professional (read paid) support, there's a section on the wiki for that
17:36 tcohen do you speak spanish? there's a spanish-speaking list too
17:36 confused_ okay
17:36 tcohen what was your question? it was too general
17:36 tcohen it won't work on the list either
17:37 tcohen everything is set on the Administration section in Koha
17:38 confused_ well the thing is,  I can read the manual but it is another thing trying to make sense of all this code
17:38 tcohen ah
17:38 tcohen you want to code?
17:38 tcohen like, writing Perl code to hook into your Koha?
17:39 confused_ i need to find out  (1) how to have only certain people receive a hold request notification by email -  I can't even find out where to do this
17:40 tcohen You need to ask to the list, if it is possible to have that functionality in Koha
17:40 confused_ (2)  I need to have these people who receive the hold notifications to be be able to set transfer
17:41 confused_ I wil look into this list tcohen as I am not a coder...
17:42 confused_ thank you
17:42 tcohen you are welcome
17:42 tcohen i'm sure you will find those answers you'er looking for
17:42 tcohen asynchronously
17:42 tcohen but you will
17:42 confused_ `
18:02 aroussos I've written a small patch that fixes the issue described in bug 7046
18:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7046 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , subscription renewal period should be a pull down
18:02 aroussos then I realised that the bug has an Assignee (even though its status is still NEW)
18:03 aroussos unfortunately the bug history does not list _when_ it was assigned to that person
18:03 aroussos so, is it considered bad manners to take ownership of the bug at this point?
18:03 tcohen aroussos: not really, but it won't hurt it you email Colin
18:04 tcohen your call
18:05 aroussos tcohen: yeah I'll give that a shot if only to have a clear conscience
18:05 aroussos thanks
18:09 tcohen aroussos: u r welcome
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18:14 oleonard Anyone know why I wouldn't be able to create a label batch from the 'Manage staged MARC records' page?
18:14 oleonard "Error attempting to create label batch. Please ask your system administrator to check the log for more details."
18:14 oleonard " create_labelbatch_from_importbatch() : Call to C4::ImportBatch::GetItemNumbersFromImportBatch returned no item number(s) from import batch #23. at tools/ line 198"
18:28 aroussos oleonard: the only Action I see on the 'Manage staged MARC records' page is 'Clean'
18:28 aroussos oleonard: how does one create a label batch?
18:29 oleonard aroussos: To the left of the "actions" column is the "# Items" column which should have a "Create label batch" link for any batch which contained items
18:30 aroussos oleonard: ah, the test .mrc file I just downloaded contained no items, hence the missing link
18:36 oleonard khall around?
18:36 khall yo
18:36 khall what's up?
18:36 oleonard Testing Bug 17297
18:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17297 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Give librarians the ability to add messages to an item
18:37 oleonard I don't understand what the drop-down list is for
18:37 oleonard "Test 1, Test 2" etc.
18:37 khall ah, without having tested the old patch, there's no context for it ; ). Basically, in the production version, the pulldown will be the "message type"
18:37 khall The message types will be defined by a list of authorised values
18:38 khall The type will be optional
18:39 oleonard What kind of feedback are you looking for on this patch? The idea? The interface?
18:40 khall really, it's an example to help with the question "Should we adopt React or Angular for Koha?"
18:40 khall I should put something on the mailing list to ping everyone about it
18:42 oleonard khall: I think it requires not just a ping but a detailed summary of what you think React can help us do and what your suggested path forward with it is. For instance, is the goal to "convert" existing pages to use it where currently we have jQuery and/or vanilla JS
18:44 khall oleonard: I'll do what I can. I think the power of React is that we can create React widgets to drop in wherever we want. It also makes ajax stuff far more sane to work on.
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18:47 oleonard Bye the way khall, I notice your patch makes a lot of whitespace changes to staff-global.css. I don't think that belongs.
18:51 khall yeah, I'm not sure what happened there oleonard. I think maybe something in my vimrc or gitconfig decided the whitespace needed fixed ; )
18:52 khall oleonard: I think it's the "Automatically fix whitespace errors in patches" bit I use from the Koha wiki
18:52 khall https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]errors_in_patches
18:53 khall we should probably remove that from the wiki if we don't want patches to do that ; )
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18:54 oleonard I would think that only applied to lines changed in the patch
18:58 oleonard Bye all
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20:20 wajasu_ greetings!
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20:23 tcohen hi
20:23 wahanui hola, tcohen
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20:45 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
20:46 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Valle Escondido, Cordoba, Argentina, Córdoba, Argentina is 21.5°C (5:45 PM ART on September 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
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21:21 tcohen @seen dcook
21:21 huginn tcohen: dcook was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 13 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <dcook> should be an olympics for coding with a baby in one hand and a keyboard with the other
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21:35 * wajasu wonders if a migration from koha 3.10.02  to 16.05.23 will be easy :)
21:36 cait it should be
21:36 rangi well in 20 more months
21:36 rangi you could find out
21:36 rangi :)
21:36 * rangi guesses you meant .03 :)
21:38 wajasu probably, but not likely.  grabbed the version it from the intranet file.
21:38 wajasu probably need to move forward to a newer debian release as well.
21:39 rangi we havent released 16.05.23
21:39 wajasu you are correct.  16.06.03
21:39 wajasu you are correct.  16.05.03
21:40 rangi it shouldnt be too bad
21:40 rangi theres a bunch of new dependencies
21:40 rangi including on apache 2.4.8 (or higher) if you want to use plack (and you do, it's too slow otherwise)
21:40 wajasu what debian release would it be on?  wheezy or jessie?
21:40 rangi and some gotchas with mysql 5.7 or higher
21:40 rangi those are the main ones to watch for
21:43 wajasu are we using DBIC or plack yet?  i haven't been around for some time.
21:43 rangi both
21:44 rangi thats why you need plack DBIC is too slow without it
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21:55 wajasu well, maybe things are not as in flux(long bug dependency chains) and I can reasonably rework some outstanding patches I had done.
21:56 tcohen Jessie
21:57 wajasu thats what i wanted to hear :)
21:58 tcohen just load the old DB on a fresh 16.05 instance
21:59 tcohen and let koha-upgrade-schema <instance>
21:59 tcohen do its thing
21:59 tcohen rebuild solr, start the sphinx server, etc
21:59 tcohen kidding
21:59 tcohen remember to reindex zebra he
22:01 tcohen bye #koha
22:01 wajasu i was going to be inmpressed if you moved to solr, etc.
22:02 wizzyrea there is a reasonably urgent need to get this elasticsearch thing going properly
22:03 wizzyrea make it easy (documented well, anyway) to install, make it a bit more feature complete
22:03 wizzyrea and get people using it in the wild
22:03 wajasu are you running elastic search on jessie or another server.  Its java based, so I could see if I'll be of use when I get my dev environment set.
22:04 wizzyrea I know almost 0 about it, it's on my list but other stuff keeps getting pushed ahead of it
22:04 wizzyrea which I suspect is a problem for most people
22:04 * wajasu looking at bugs related to search.
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22:04 wizzyrea currently I think there is work in progress to upgrade our support to ES2
22:05 wajasu do you have specific bug numbers that i should look at?
22:08 wizzyrea bug 16660, bug 16838, bug 17169
22:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16660 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Elasticsearch broken if OpacSuppression is activated
22:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16838 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Elasticsearch - mapping tables are not populated on new installs
22:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17169 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Add facets for ccode and language to elasticsearch
22:08 wizzyrea bug 14899
22:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14899 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Mapping configuration page for Elastic search
22:08 wizzyrea bug 17255
22:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17255 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Upgrade Elastic Search code to work with version 2.4+
22:09 wizzyrea bug 17132
22:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17132 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Availability search broken when using Elastic
22:10 wizzyrea a search will get most of those
22:11 wizzyrea but mostly, improving docs and installation instructions
22:11 wizzyrea and getting people using it in the wild
22:11 wizzyrea so they can report bugs so we can fix them
22:12 wizzyrea https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ch/Implementation possibly useful.
22:13 wizzyrea https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/Elasticsearch and this
22:13 wajasu i'll try to look at them when i get my jessie, 16.05.3 system up.  do these need to be backported to some 3.x versions?
22:13 wizzyrea naw
22:13 wajasu when did ES arrive?
22:13 wajasu ok
22:13 wizzyrea 3.22 I think
22:13 wizzyrea 2 versions back - but no one is using it in 3.22
22:14 wizzyrea (that I know of)
22:14 wizzyrea it was basically experimental
22:14 wajasu do you deploy with ES on the same debian server or another one?
22:15 wizzyrea https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/Elasticsearch the instructions for Koha that I know of are here
22:15 wizzyrea https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sticsearch#Basic_.27Get_Started.27_Steps specifically
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22:17 wajasu i see now.  this is not a big deal, but i see java8 on jessie should be sufficient.
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22:25 wajasu i had alot of docker based testing locally for things like ldap, mysql, maria_db etc, so i might just add Elastic search, its been over year since i worked this stuff.  Will try the vagrant as well.
22:29 wizzyrea we missed you :)
22:29 wizzyrea the devbox is pretty ok
22:29 wizzyrea just be sure to use the ansible one
22:33 wajasu i guess i can run it on my archlinux, since its starting large virtualbox instances.  i did it that was some time back but the docker was more lightweight and i could swap newer/other distros easily.
22:36 wajasu tcohen did alot of work
22:36 wajasu tcohen++
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23:09 mtompset @seen mveron
23:09 huginn mtompset: mveron was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <mveron> Hi #koha
23:09 mtompset mveron++ # pointing at a good bug reference 15690
23:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
23:11 mtompset Anyone care for an easy sign off? bug 15690
23:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15690 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Unconstrained CardnumberLength preference conflicts with table column limit of 16
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23:56 mtompset Have a great day, #koha
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