IRC log for #koha, 2016-06-15

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03:33 dcook Don't suppose rangi or gmcharlt are around?
03:33 dcook Or anyone who does their own Debian packages?
03:48 wizzyrea rangi is away today
03:48 dcook cheers wizzyrea :)
03:48 dcook I think I answered my own question in any case
03:48 wizzyrea \o/
03:48 * dcook has been looking at building RPMs for an unrelated project
03:49 dcook I'm so not volunteering as RPM package manager... but I'd like to know more about the decisions made with the Debian packages
03:49 dcook In theory... it might not be too hard to make RPMs... although dependencies would still be hell on non-Debian systems
03:50 dcook Well, Perl dependencies at least
03:50 * dcook isn't volunteering to build RPMs for heaps of Perl packages either :p
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04:14 drojf evening
04:16 drojf dcook: volunteering as rpm packaging manager? that's awesome!
04:16 dcook :P
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05:18 liw dcook, I'm occasionally around Europan daytime, and I might still remember some reasons for my original packaigng decisions for Koha, if that helps
05:19 dcook liw: Thanks :).
05:19 dcook I'm not sure what I have in mind at the moment, as I'm occupied with a different project, but I'll keep that in mind
05:31 * magnuse waves
05:31 dcook hey magnuse
05:32 magnuse dcook: you can go home now :-)
05:33 dcook Nah, it's only 3:33 :p
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05:38 magnuse dcook: that's when a typical norwegian workday ends :-)
05:39 dcook I have a head cold at the moment, so I wouldn't be opposed to going home... :p
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06:04 fridolin hie
06:06 magnuse bonjour fridolin
06:06 magnuse @wunder boo
06:06 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 15, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
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06:17 LibraryClaire Morning #koha
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06:24 fridolin magnuse: bonjour, ouuu cold
06:24 fridolin @wunder montpellier
06:24 huginn` fridolin: The current temperature in Montpellier, France is 18.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 15, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
06:25 fridolin arf it was sunny yesterday with 30 degrees
06:25 magnuse that's too hot!
06:36 eythian @wunder ams
06:36 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 14.0°C (8:33 AM CEST on June 15, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
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06:45 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
06:45 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 15.0°C (7:20 AM BST on June 15, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
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06:50 reiveune hello
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06:58 alex_a bonjour
06:58 wahanui kia ora, alex_a
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07:18 gaetan_B hello
07:18 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B
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09:12 drojf morning #koha
09:12 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:12 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 16.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on June 15, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
09:12 LibraryClaire morning drojf
09:12 drojf hi LibraryClaire
09:13 drojf playing with catmandu until 6 in the morning was a grreat idea
09:14 LibraryClaire ooow :/
09:35 magnuse lol
09:41 magnuse drojf: did you have fun?
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09:43 drojf magnuse: i prepared 1,5 data migrations, it wasn't bad
09:45 magnuse yay!
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10:18 cait hi #koha
10:20 LibraryClaire hi cait :)
10:22 cait hi LibraryClaire :)
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11:32 khall Joubu: what do you think of this? https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=15707#c75
11:32 huginn` Bug 15707: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Add ability to define hierarchical groups of libraries
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11:41 oleonard Hi #koha
11:42 cait hi oleonard :)
11:42 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
11:44 oleonard Is there an upcoming dev meeting scheduled?
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11:45 cait oleonard: not sure, was on my list to check latr
11:46 cait i think we might have missed one for lack of attendance and no new date was set
11:46 oleonard Yeah that's the way it looks to me too
11:47 oleonard I need to know when to start threatening to break people's legs if they don't vote my way.
11:48 cait lol
11:48 cait we would vote for your suggestions even witout understanding them
11:54 * cait has done that at least once *hides*
11:56 oleonard Yes, my proposal that every dev should be required to wear a jeweled crown went over well.
11:56 cait oh didn't get one yet!
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12:09 oleonard fredericd++ # rmainting
12:10 cait fredericd++ :)
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12:15 * oleonard didn't mean to close that window
12:15 magnuse fredericd++
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12:24 * oleonard cannot reproduce Bug 16743
12:24 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16743 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Datatables error when checking overdues in chrome
12:25 oleonard Maybe it would help if that screenshot were cropped a little more :P
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12:28 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
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12:35 tcohen hola magnuse
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12:54 tcohen morning #koha
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12:59 blou bonjour koha!
13:01 tcohen hola blou
13:01 cait hi blou!
13:01 blou Hello tcohen!  Hello cait!
13:02 blou Any of you is a LDAP expert  :^)
13:02 cait sorry, not me
13:02 blou Don't be sorry!
13:02 cait we got one library using it, but thankfully I am not the one to set that up :)
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13:07 blou I'm trying to determine if Koha can specify many "base" in its configuration, or only one.    Professors and student have differnt info...
13:08 cait hm i think currently only one ldap... but there might be patches around for multiple
13:08 cait it#s hard to get ldap patches tested
13:08 blou I'm trying to determine if I purely suck at LDAP and don't know how to do it.  OR Koha config's can't do it.
13:08 cait bug 8993
13:08 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , LDAP authentication improvements: multiple branch and transformation modules
13:12 blou VERY interesting, cait.
13:13 blou Although, it seems pushed, then not, then...  I'm confused.
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13:23 blou weather
13:23 drojf no, thanks
13:23 drojf :P
13:24 blou :)
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13:26 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:26 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is 22.4°C (9:26 AM EDT on June 15, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
13:27 blou Well, Julian might be on luck with #8893: I think I'll be able to signoff his patch through testing it live on a production environment.
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14:08 khall oleonard: can I get your input on bug 14790? I'm wondering if there is a better icon for the new buttons I've added
14:08 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14790 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Link to OPAC view from within subscriptions, search and item editor
14:08 oleonard Sure
14:08 khall thanks!
14:14 oleonard khall: I disagree that the toolbar is the correct place for an OPAC view link, because the toolbar is supposed to be for things that you can do /to/ whatever is being viewed (patron, biblio, subscription)
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14:15 khall oleonard: where should they go? I'm open to suggestions
14:16 oleonard On the subscription detail view we already have a link to the biblio, so it seems logical that we could add another line under that to link to the OPAC
14:16 oleonard In the catalog we already have a link to the OPAC, so the button is not necessary (IMO)
14:17 khall yes, I see now
14:17 khall I'll drop that patch and update the subscription detail one, how about the others?
14:19 oleonard Others look good to me khall
14:19 khall excellent! thanks!
14:19 khall I'll make those changes
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14:32 kidclamp morning all
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14:40 oleonard How does the "uncertain price" setting fit into the aquisitions workflow?
15:00 reiveune bye
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15:11 gaetan_B bye!
15:15 oleonard Ha ha, 'target="_blank"' is so unreliable! It's almost as if the universe were telling us to cut it out and let the user decide.
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15:44 cait oleonard: still interested in uncertain price?
15:44 oleonard Yes
15:44 cait oleonard: you can't close a basket when one of the order lies has set uncertain price
15:44 cait it forces you to resolve that first
15:44 cait you can do so in batch using the uncertain price page
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15:44 cait but... I don't know a library which is using it, they usually make something up if they are not sure or use 0 - without doing this extra step
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15:46 oleonard cait: I'm curious, why wouldn't a library use it instead of having an order with a 0 price?
15:46 oleonard Because they'll change it in the item later?
15:47 cait because you can't close the order
15:47 cait an when you can't close it - it never goes to 'ordered' status
15:47 cait and can not be received
15:47 cait and you can always give the real price you paid on receive
15:48 cait so it turns up in your budget and should also go into the item
15:49 cait the probelm really is that it blocks you from closing the basket
15:49 cait why the libraries i talked to are not using it
15:49 cait if it was just a flag that would probably be used
15:50 * cait hopes that made sense
15:51 oleonard Yes, thanks cait
15:52 cait it's acquisitions... *sighs*
15:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
15:59 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 19.6°C (5:59 PM CEST on June 15, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
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16:56 oleonard Bye #koha
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17:12 nengard_library hey #koha, i'm visiting a library trying to find the bug report about how you can use __DATE__ or some such to put the date in the marc record
17:13 nengard_library anyone know what bug i'm talking about?
17:15 kidclamp can you give any more context for the bug? is that the whole purpose? or is it part of batch edit?
17:15 khall nengard_chicktech: I'm not finding anything like that in master
17:16 nengard_library the purpose was to have default values in the frameowkr
17:16 nengard_library so you could do name or date or some other field
17:17 nengard_library and it would fill in on all new records for you
17:17 nengard_library the syntax is what i can't remember but it was something like __DATE__ __USER__
17:20 kidclamp nengard_library https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=7045?
17:20 huginn` Bug 7045: minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, druthb, Failed QA , Default-value substitution inconsistent
17:20 kidclamp https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7045
17:20 huginn` Bug 7045: minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, druthb, Failed QA , Default-value substitution inconsistent
17:21 druthb gosh, I remember that oldy moldy
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17:22 nengard_library kidclamp++
17:24 kidclamp also for items: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=14950
17:24 huginn` Bug 14950: normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , A date is not correctly filled in default values from batch mod [was Remove C4::Dates from tools/]
17:25 nengard_library in pianohacker in?
17:25 nengard_library kidclamp?
17:25 wahanui kidclamp is terrible at time zones
17:25 nengard_library HA
17:25 pianohacker ?
17:25 nengard_library pianohacker!!!
17:25 wahanui regexes are AWESOME
17:25 pianohacker sup
17:25 nengard_library is there a way to use macros in advanced cataloging to enter today's date?
17:26 nengard_library say yes
17:26 pianohacker uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not currently
17:26 nengard_library pooo
17:26 nengard_library how hard would it be?
17:26 pianohacker not terribly
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17:27 nengard_library might have another idea from RR for that
17:28 nengard_library thanks all!!
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21:05 * mveron can no longer print patron cards with patron images - Bug 16747
21:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16747 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Patron card creator broken with version 16.05
21:07 mveron Good night / daytime #koha
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21:32 tcohen hi
21:32 wahanui what's up, tcohen
21:32 tcohen hey wahanui
21:33 CHRIS2 Hello
21:33 CHRIS2 I am here seeking some help
21:33 CHRIS2 anyone available
21:33 tcohen just shoot
21:33 tcohen someone might help
21:34 CHRIS2 I just upgraded to Koha
21:34 CHRIS2 I just realized that I am getting 2 errors in the system information area of Koha
21:35 CHRIS2 XML configuration file
21:35 CHRIS2 Warning You are missing the <log4perl_conf> entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the log4perl.conf file for your Koha instance.
21:35 CHRIS2 Warning You are missing the <upload_path> entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the configured file upload directory for your Koha instance.
21:35 CHRIS2 Is there a fix for this.
21:35 tcohen not an automatic one
21:36 tcohen the upgrade scripts currently don't handle that
21:36 tcohen so you get a warning so you fix them
21:36 tcohen what is your instance name?
21:37 tcohen you can check it by running $ sudo koha-list
21:38 CHRIS2 the output of that command is library
21:38 tcohen so
21:38 tcohen you should edit your /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml file
21:39 CHRIS2 one sec let me bring that up
21:40 CHRIS2 its up
21:40 CHRIS2 any particular line or area I should look for.
21:40 tcohen does it mean you opened the file for editing?
21:40 CHRIS2 yes
21:40 tcohen ok, at the bottom
21:40 wahanui at the bottom are the user name and password for Koha.
21:40 tcohen search for upload_path
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21:41 tcohen ah, you won't have it
21:41 tcohen hehe
21:41 CHRIS2 yeh
21:41 tcohen sorry
21:41 tcohen search for enable_plugins
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21:41 CHRIS2 its not there
21:41 tcohen did u find it?
21:41 CHRIS2 missing
21:42 tcohen no enable_plugins either?
21:42 CHRIS2 enable_plugins is there
21:43 tcohen ok, below the enable_plugins line
21:43 tcohen add
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21:43 tcohen <upload_path>/var/lib/koha/l​ibrary/uploads</upload_path>
21:43 tcohen save the file, and you are done
21:46 tcohen so?
21:46 wahanui rumour has it so is a long road
21:46 CHRIS2 ok that took care of the upload path
21:47 CHRIS2 I still have the log4perl_conf error
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21:48 tcohen CHRIS2: cp /etc/koha/ /etc/koha/sites/library/log4perl.conf
21:48 tcohen then edit /etc/koha/sites/library/log4perl.conf
21:49 tcohen and replace __LOG_DIR__
21:49 tcohen for /var/log/koha/library
21:50 tcohen then, head to
21:50 tcohen and use the 'Donate' button to give the community a few bucks
21:50 tcohen :-P
21:52 CHRIS2 one sec
21:53 tcohen the /var/lib/koha/library/uploads needs to exist for the feature to work
21:54 tcohen mkdir -p /var/lib/koha/library/uploads ; chown library-koha -r /var/lib/koha/library/uploads
21:54 * tcohen forgot that
21:58 CHRIS2 invalid option -r
21:58 tcohen -R
21:59 tcohen chown library-koha -R /var/lib/koha/library/uploads
22:00 tcohen (the first command got executed already)
22:00 CHRIS2 yes
22:01 CHRIS2 i did it in two parts
22:01 CHRIS2 I am now editing the log4perl file
22:01 CHRIS2 I notice there are two areas where there is__LOG_DIR__
22:02 CHRIS2 should I change both of them?
22:02 tcohen yup
22:06 CHRIS2 Error still there
22:07 tcohen chown library-koha /etc/koha/sites/library/log4perl.conf
22:07 tcohen ?
22:09 CHRIS2 yes
22:09 CHRIS2 still there
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22:12 tcohen service memcached restart
22:12 CHRIS2 unrecognized service
22:13 wizzyrea you are full refreshing that right
22:13 wizzyrea shift+f5
22:13 tcohen ctrl+shift+r
22:14 CHRIS2 yes I did
22:14 CHRIS2 I even logged out of koha and loged back in
22:16 tcohen CHRIS2: my bad, I forgot something else
22:16 CHRIS2 k
22:17 tcohen you need to point your koha-conf.xml to it
22:17 tcohen edit your koha-conf.xml file again
22:17 tcohen search for queryparser
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22:17 tcohen and write this below
22:18 tcohen <log4perl_conf>/etc/koha/sites/lib​rary/log4perl.conf</log4perl_conf>
22:18 pianohacker tcohen++
22:18 tcohen hehe
22:19 CHRIS2 I was wondering about that too seeing that we did that for the first error.
22:19 tcohen yeah, I didn't want you to write it to koha-conf.xml before the file existed
22:19 tcohen because it could make Koha break until the file existed
22:20 tcohen and then, of course, forgot
22:23 tcohen have to leave
22:23 tcohen CHRIS2: hope it is fixed
22:23 tcohen bye!
22:25 CHRIS2 Up up and awayyyyy!!!!! in smoke. Fixed. Thanks a million
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23:22 tcohen hi
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23:52 wizzyrea hi
23:52 wahanui que tal, wizzyrea
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