IRC log for #koha, 2016-05-12

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06:27 cait morning #koha
06:29 magnuse kia ora cait
06:30 cait morning magnuse!
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06:50 reiveune hello
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06:54 alex_a bonjour
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07:26 magnuse anyone got any experience with self checks that do offline circ? so if koha is offline the self check machine saves the circ operations and then communicates them to koha when koha is online again?
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07:41 fridolin hie alllllllll
07:42 fridolin I'm back to work
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08:12 cait wb fridolin :)
08:23 fridolin cait: hello how are u ?
08:24 cait buuusy
08:24 cait how are you and the family?
08:56 magnuse welcome back fridolin
08:57 fridolin magnuse: hie
08:57 fridolin nice to see u again
08:57 fridolin I'm a father now with a 3 years old little girl
08:58 fridolin what a job, i'm happy to come back to work :D
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09:02 magnuse it can be a bit of a challenge, yeah :-)
09:02 * magnuse has a son who is almost 4
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09:27 fridolin magnuse: a chance I have found a new passion : golf
09:27 fridolin you must be zen to play 8-)
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09:32 marcelr hi #koha
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10:32 Vinod Hi All
10:33 Vinod I have got some error in the web-opac near search field as like <<<<<<< HEAD======= >>>>>>> Bug 13144: Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
10:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13144 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, CLOSED FIXED, Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
10:34 Vinod Why this error might come can any one help me out?
10:35 Vinod yes huginn This bug is closed but that is coming near the search field
10:35 Vinod how can i fix that?
10:37 Vinod can any body help?
10:55 magnuse Vinod: that is a git thing. it means a patch was applied and there was some conflict
10:55 magnuse how did you install koha?
10:56 magnuse this looks like it might be helpful, if you have a git/gitified install and applied some patch(es) yourself:[…]the-command-line/
10:57 cait um
10:57 cait opac news only visible when logged in... did i miss something there?
10:58 magnuse yeah, we decided to keep the good news to ourselves ;-)
10:58 cait oh? :)
11:00 magnuse wasn't there some work on displaying news only from your library when you are logged in? sounds like it might be related to that
11:00 magnuse just a hunch, though
11:00 magnuse kia ora khall
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11:02 magnuse fridolin: you got time for that? :-O
11:08 cait magnuse: hm good thinking - i will check if there is a library setting in this vresion
11:11 cait magnuse++ thx!
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11:40 magnuse oleonard!
11:41 oleonard magnuse!
11:44 druthb oleonard! magnuse! cait!
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11:45 oleonard Was there not a meeting yesterday?
11:46 cait oleonard: there would have been - but not enough participants
11:47 oleonard Sorry, terrible time for me to try to make a meeting.
11:48 Vinod magnuse: Thanks for the reply
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11:52 oleonard Hi Oak
11:52 Oak hello oleonard :)
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12:09 oleonard Oh, a new German support company? cait were you aware of them?
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12:15 cait yes
12:16 cait oleonard: where di you see it?
12:16 oleonard On the mailing list
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12:33 tcohen bonjour
12:33 Oak hello tcohen
12:43 magnuse Oak
12:43 Oak magnuse
12:43 Oak \o/
12:45 magnuse \o/
12:45 magnuse Oak: you got yourself a company too?
12:45 Oak Yes :) Working on it.
12:45 Oak Working on the website at the moment.
12:45 magnuse cool
12:45 magnuse good place to start :-)
12:45 Oak thanks!
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13:14 cait oleonard: thx!
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14:03 Oak later guys
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14:28 kivilahtio khall: Have you noticed that when you have definitions in log4perl.conf for opac, intranet, sip, commandline, ...  and opac.log is used by user www-data, and sip.log is used by koha, there is a problem with file permissions
14:29 kivilahtio khall: looks like every time Log::Log4perl is instantiated, it tries to open filehandles for all the defined Appender
14:29 khall no that in particular, but yeah, log permissions are a serious headache.
14:30 kivilahtio khall: well I got it. I have a feature that is ran by www-data and koha
14:30 kivilahtio khall: I was asking if you have any suggestions on how to fix it.
14:30 kivilahtio khall: I was planning on splitting the log4perl.conf to each Koha subsystem
14:30 kivilahtio like log4perl.opac.conf
14:31 kivilahtio and load the config by the C4::Context->interface
14:31 kivilahtio another option is to mae modifications to Log::Log4perl
14:31 kivilahtio which might not be too difficult
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14:32 khall hmm, I worry that splitting the conf may lead to limited flexibility and more complication long term, but I've not real example
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14:33 kivilahtio khall: I completely agree
14:33 khall maybe look at patching Log4perl first, and use that as a fallback
14:34 edveal Has anyone in here come up with a good way to validate phone numbers. I have tried using the code that is in the jQuery library but have had issues with it. Any suggestions?
14:34 kivilahtio edveal: we got such a validator from our ministry of something
14:34 kivilahtio you could ask there. There must be a big authoritys handing out phone umbers in your country
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14:35 kivilahtio edveal: actually I think lari has a patch in bugzilla about validators
14:35 oleonard edveal: What have you tried, and what didn't work?
14:35 kivilahtio edveal: but afaik the phone number validator can be chosen and not implemented for your country
14:35 kivilahtio I mean a validator implementation fitting your country is not there in Koha
14:36 oleonard kivilahtio: Are you talking about finding actual valid numbers, or matching the correct format?
14:36 edveal Sorry I mean just checking to verify that the number is in a specific structure when adding a patron.
14:36 kivilahtio oleonard: matching a format
14:36 kivilahtio oleonard: the regexp we got from the ministy is a monster
14:37 oleonard edveal: One of the problems I've run into is the issue of how flexible you want it to be
14:37 edveal oleonard, I have tried using what is in the Koha jQuery library and it seems to work unless the field is blank. Then the validation fails. I need something that is more flexible.
14:37 kivilahtio edveal: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]44705&action=diff
14:37 kivilahtio line 101
14:38 oleonard is both (555) 555-1212 and 555-555-1212 okay, for instance
14:38 edveal No they want it to either be blank or 555-555-1212.
14:39 kivilahtio the feature even has PageObject test coverage!!
14:39 kivilahtio it is so cool :)
14:39 edveal oleonard I tried the html phone validation and that didn’t work either.
14:40 edveal pianohacker was not able to get the HTML5 validation to work either. Very puzzing.
14:40 edveal I started with HTML5 validation
14:42 oleonard edveal I use this regular expression in some SQL reports for finding bad phone numbers: ^([0-9]{3})\-([0-9]{3})\-([0-9]{4})$
14:42 edveal Ah so you run a report to search for them and then they can be fixed...
14:43 kivilahtio edveal: that is certainly what we did for a awhile
14:43 kivilahtio edveal: it is much better to fix the problem at its root
14:43 edveal I agree
14:43 oleonard edveal: The trouble we have here is that staff want to put other text into the phone number field besides the phone number
14:43 kivilahtio edveal: you dont need to do so much explaining to your patrons when they dont receive their sms'es
14:43 oleonard like "555-555-1212 mom's phone"
14:43 kivilahtio oleonard: validator blocks this. That is why we have custom borrower attrbiutes and notes
14:44 kivilahtio oleonard: that crashed our
14:44 kivilahtio well it is patched now :)
14:44 oleonard kivilahtio: We don't have any automated notifications which use phone number, so we have some wiggle room.
14:45 kivilahtio one of the biggest issues regarding the problems we have had with Koha are non-stnadard field usage. In database tables and in MARC Records
14:45 kivilahtio mom's number being a prime example
14:46 kivilahtio I guess we could implement a feture where only the valid matching part of the phone number would be used, and rest just ignored for automatic purposes?
14:46 kivilahtio this would work well with the validator
14:46 kivilahtio validator extracts matching parts
14:46 kivilahtio everybody is happy
14:46 kivilahtio if no matching part, phone number doesnt validate
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15:09 tcohen hi
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16:02 kivilahtio tcohen: hi
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16:03 tcohen hi kivilahtio
16:03 kivilahtio khall: I fixed the multiuser scenario with Appender property create_at_logtime=true
16:03 khall excellent!
16:03 kivilahtio khall: but I have issues with making Koha::Logger work under apache2
16:03 kivilahtio khall: wont log when ran from mod_perl
16:03 kivilahtio khall: but works fine from the commandline when I try all interfaces
16:04 khall odd, wonder why that is
16:04 kivilahtio I mean jury-rig commandline to be interpreted as for ex. opac
16:04 kivilahtio khall: Does it work for you?
16:04 kivilahtio from apache2
16:05 khall I haven't tested it any way except cgi
16:06 kivilahtio khall: maybe I made a mistake, I thought mod_perl is the same as the mod_cgi
16:06 kivilahtio I meant mod_cgi. The old and slow script-based solution
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16:26 drojf hi #koha
16:34 oleonard Oh wow, I did not realize my follow-up for Bug 11565 got pushed.
16:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , decreaseLoanHighHolds needs Override
16:34 oleonard When I saw the "settings" link on the checkout page I thought I had my branches mixed up
16:35 drojf so the meeting did not happen yesterday?
16:36 oleonard No they cancelled it because you and I weren't there drojf.
16:36 drojf heh good choice ;)
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16:40 drojf several people complained to me about relevance ranking in koha. is that a known something? never had to do with it because nobody complained before
16:42 oleonard drojf: Yeah some people say it doesn't work and others don't have a problem with it. But the real issue seems to be no one really knows how it works.
16:42 drojf yes that is what i imagined. lol
16:43 oleonard[…]6-05-09#i_1820535
16:43 drojf i had somebody show me it does not work yesterday. so i know its a thing, at least for some. i would at least expect searchword-in-title to rank higher than searchword-somewhere-in-keywords
16:43 drojf hahaha
16:43 drojf thanks oleonard
16:45 drojf bug 12431
16:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12431 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Relevance does not work properly when using QueryParser
16:45 drojf bug 12430
16:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12430 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Truncation disables relevance ranking when not using QueryParser
16:46 drojf so at least i intuitively changed the right sysprefs, did not help anyway
16:55 oleonard It's an embarrassment, really, for Koha that we don't know how that works let alone make it better.
16:58 drojf i was never aware that there is a problem. i dont cate about relevance because googl etold me nobody knows what is relevant for me
16:58 kivilahtio khall: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16509
16:58 huginn Bug 16509: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Koha::Logger dies when log4perl.conf has FileAppender files with different owners, also compatibility with logrotate
16:59 kivilahtio khall: it has no issues with mod_cgi
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16:59 kivilahtio khall: that was my mistake confusig different dev environments
16:59 khall cool, I'll check that out!
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16:59 t4nk927 hello
16:59 kivilahtio t4nk927: hi there
16:59 t4nk927 Can you help me with Koha installation
16:59 kivilahtio t4nk927: Do you like t4nks?
17:00 kivilahtio t4nk927: it depends
17:01 kivilahtio t4nk927: I guess most of us here have installed Koha at some point
17:01 t4nk927 Can you tell me the latest 3.22 can be installed on Windows?
17:02 kivilahtio t4nk927: I am sorry. I cannot help you with that. I am not very pro-Microsoft
17:02 oleonard t4nk927: No, not directly.
17:02 kivilahtio t4nk927: but I am sure somebody here has
17:02 kivilahtio t4nk927: if you are starting to learn Koha, you hsould deploy it on Ubuntu 14.04. It is very straightforward
17:03 oleonard t4nk927: You could install something like VirtualBox on Windows and run Koha inside that, but it would be suitable only for testing.
17:03 kivilahtio t4nk927: It is very simple to install it from debian packages
17:03 t4nk927 why is it difficult to run on Windows
17:04 kivilahtio t4nk927: because Koha is a community product, and nobody here runs it on Windows.
17:04 kivilahtio t4nk927: so when programming Koha, nobody tests the developments against Windows
17:04 kivilahtio and then most certainly it wont work on Windows, unless you invest a lot of time and effort to retrofit it to work there
17:05 t4nk927 if I run it on Windows will it be a problem?
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: if you would do the effort, then somebody here would maintain the Windows version of Koha
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: I don't think you can run it on Windows
17:05 t4nk927 As far as I know we can
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: oleonard said you should run Linux on your Windwos machine
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: then, like I said I cannot help you :)
17:06 pianohacker @later tell rangi what's the state of the ES browse code? (http://browse.koha.catalystdem[…]a/
17:06 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
17:06 t4nk927 Any one here
17:06 oleonard t4nk927: As far as anyone knows it is not possible to install Koha on Windows.
17:07 t4nk927 As far as I know one can
17:07 oleonard t4nk927: Who says?
17:07 t4nk927 I have done it previously
17:07 oleonard t4nk927: If you think you can, you're welcome to try it.
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: Yes. I would love to see how it goes :) While working at it you could write install instructions to our wiki
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: here is one of hte many for Ubuntu
17:08 kivilahtio https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ubuntu_-_packages
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: also Redhat is not very popular system to run Koha on
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: I recommend you use Ubuntu 14.04
17:09 t4nk927 I know
17:09 kivilahtio t4nk927: You don't need to be a hard-core linux guyy. Just a regular dude will do ;)
17:09 t4nk927 but I can't change my home PC
17:09 t4nk927 OS
17:09 t4nk927 here is one example what I am talking about
17:09 kivilahtio install Ubuntu 14.04 on a virtual machine on your Windows-PC
17:09 kivilahtio there are a ton of guides online for that
17:09 kivilahtio maybe you will even love Ubuntu!
17:10 kivilahtio nowadays it is super great
17:10 kivilahtio it even has Steam in it !
17:10 kivilahtio Steam++++
17:10 t4nk927 I have worked on Ubuntu no uduntu its good
17:10 oleonard t4nk927: That documentation is 10 years old
17:10 kivilahtio oleonard: :)
17:10 kivilahtio t4nk927: maybe you should ask those guys?
17:11 kivilahtio t4nk927: not everybody who uses Koha hangs around here regularly, like me
17:11 t4nk927 I understand thats the reason I am asking if its possible as well
17:11 kivilahtio can't help you with Windows sorry.
17:12 oleonard t4nk927: You're asking if it's possible and we're saying no. You say yes. Try it and find out.
17:12 oleonard t4nk927: None of us will be able to help you.
17:12 t4nk927 Any one else I hope may know
17:13 kivilahtio t4nk927: ask those guys from the link you posted to us.
17:13 kivilahtio email is cheap
17:14 oleonard Be sure to send the email back in time 10 years.
17:15 kivilahtio oleonard: :)
17:15 t4nk927 haha
17:15 t4nk927 Where do u work?
17:15 kivilahtio Finland, Vaara-kirjastot
17:17 kivilahtio t4nk927: and you?
17:17 t4nk927 nice to meet you Sir
17:17 t4nk927 I am from India
17:17 t4nk927 in a college library
17:18 kivilahtio t4nk927: I have one thing to say to all public sector employees. Use linux, save your tax-payers money
17:18 t4nk927 because it is OSS?
17:18 kivilahtio UK had a great idea for making OdenDocument standard mandatory in the public sector
17:18 kivilahtio UK had a great idea for making OpenDocument standard mandatory in the public sector
17:19 kivilahtio t4nk927: for starters
17:23 kivilahtio then the public sector employs local people, and has more money to spend on, for ex developing Koha :)
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17:25 jim_ any one here
17:29 jim_ hello
17:29 kivilahtio jim_: hello?
17:30 kivilahtio jim_: there are ~61 users online
17:32 jim_ I see
17:32 jim_ but I only see u
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17:49 jim_ hello\
17:50 jim_ knock knock
17:50 oleonard Hi jim_, do you have a question?
17:50 jim_ I have but you can't solve
17:51 jim_ What do u work as
17:51 oleonard I work as a web developer for a public library in Ohio, USA.
17:52 jim_ Wow nice
17:52 jim_ honored to meet you
17:56 jim_ any one else here
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18:59 oleonard Bye #koha
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20:16 rangi pianohacker: i think the patches were all submitted
20:16 pianohacker hm.
20:19 cait pianohacker: got your flights and all? :)
20:19 * andreashm waves
20:20 cait hi andreashm :)
20:21 andreashm hi cait
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20:36 andreashm reading the logs
20:36 andreashm drojf: looking at relevance?
20:37 drojf andreashm: a little
20:38 drojf but it looks like i destroyed my dev vm. oops
20:38 andreashm saw that there are two bugs regarding truncation and queryparser. seems relevance gets screwed any which way it is set.
20:38 andreashm drojf: ouch
20:39 drojf there is no relevance. relevance in the default zebra settings is order by biblionumber. i don't know about the queryparser, but without there is nothing relevant in relevance ranking at the moment
20:40 cait hm
20:40 cait there is some code to boost some fields i think
20:40 cait but ... ok, i got no idea
20:41 drojf that is about broader and narrower terms. if we mean the same thing
20:41 cait just thought it used to work? in some ways at least?
20:41 drojf in the way that it sorts by biblionumber i guess :)
20:41 cait i think i wa sthinking field weighting
20:42 drojf me too
20:42 andreashm drojf: order by biblionumber? really?
20:42 drojf andreashm: try it
20:43 * andreashm is scared too
20:45 drojf maybe there is a magical combination of settings that gets something more relevant out of it
20:45 andreashm hopefully
20:45 drojf i have not found that part in the code thoug
20:45 drojf though
20:46 drojf (which does not mean much in the search module labyrinth)
20:46 andreashm Regarding the OAI harvester thing that I asked about the other day, if was indeed a missing dependency.
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20:50 andreashm That sorted, I immediately run into another problem. 'bangs head against the wall'
20:51 liw I want to sell a small cushion with a headband that you put on your forehead to make headbanging less painful
20:53 andreashm liw: I'll buy one.
20:54 drojf i'll buy shares of your startup!
20:56 liw :)
21:08 drojf i think a part of zebra rebuild is picking up the wrong koha-conf.xml in my dev vm
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21:15 * cait waves at kathryn
21:15 cait drojf: did you check in? i still have to
21:15 kathryn hi cait
21:16 drojf no. i was waiting for you to try
21:16 cait hm
21:16 drojf 23:16:03-12/05 zebraidx(1899) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=__ZEBRA_LOCK_DIR__/biblios/norm..LCK [No such file or directory]
21:16 cait it's too late tonight, tomorrow
21:17 drojf i get that a thousand times. why would it look in __ZEBRA_LOCK_DIR__
21:17 drojf unless it uses the wrong koha-conf.xml
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21:32 drojf good night #koha
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22:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16489: ES code incorrectly refers to Moose <[…]18fedf752984dfee3>
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22:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16474: Standardize spelling of EDIFACT <[…]a32256ec5bfd2964b> / Bug 16412: Cache undef in L1 only <[…]e8b08c3931f23234a> / Bug 16412: Make sure Koha::Cache->set_in_cache will not warn anymore <[…]git;a=commitdiff;
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22:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16473: Fix typo "an problem" vs "a problem" <[…]0392e9ab67d201e00> / Bug 16480: Unclosed tag in shelves line 332 on intranet <[…]861d8096720965c61>
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22:46 oleonard Hey anyone around to give me a sanity check? If I'm composing a notice and select multiple fields and insert them at once...
22:47 oleonard I get this: <<branches.branchname, branches.branchaddress2, branches.branchzip>>
22:47 oleonard That's not gonna work, right?
22:47 pianohacker oleonard: pretty certain no
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23:37 dcook Hey wizzyrea, are you around atm?
23:37 dcook I have a koha-gitify question...
23:39 dcook Or anyone who uses koha-gitify...
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23:43 dan_ Hello everyone
23:43 dan_ In the zebra output log, what means the line "[warn] cs_listen failed [Too many open files]" (repeated a hundred times)? (log found after zebra srv process was dead)
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