IRC log for #koha, 2016-05-02

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06:06 cait @later tell bag hm, there is still an atomicupdate in master - shouldn't that be gone?
06:06 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
06:07 cait @later tell bag forget it... i am not awake yet :)
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06:24 marcelr hi #koha
06:24 marcelr hi cait++
06:24 cait morning marcelr!
06:24 cait have to run... back to work today
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06:53 reiveune hello
06:54 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:54 magnuse @wunder boo
06:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on May 02, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:54 magnuse summery!
06:54 wahanui summery is probably rather wonderful
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06:57 reiveune salut magnuse
06:59 alex_a bonjour
07:01 marcelr hi reiveune magnuse and alex_a
07:01 marcelr bgkriegel++
07:01 alex_a hi marcelr
07:02 reiveune salut marcelr
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08:54 * cait waves
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09:26 * magnuse waves then wanders off to lunch
09:26 magnuse @wunder boo
09:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on May 02, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
09:26 magnuse double digits!
09:27 liw @wunder helsinki
09:27 huginn liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 16.0°C (12:20 PM EEST on May 02, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
09:27 magnuse you win, liw!
09:27 * magnuse is gone for real now
09:27 liw I have to be awake. I don't win.
09:56 Joubu @later tell bag please have a loot at bug 16104 comment 10&11
09:56 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:56 Joubu @later tell jajm please have a loot at bug 16104 comment 10&11
09:56 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:00 marcelr Joubu: a cache question: if you cache undef to some key, would it be sufficient to keep it in L1 cache?
10:01 marcelr e.g. memcached does not like caching undefs
10:02 Joubu marcelr: it should, but I don't think I have even tried
10:02 Joubu ever
10:02 marcelr i see such things in the sysprefs.t test
10:02 marcelr and some warnings coming with it
10:04 jajm Joubu, thx
10:04 Joubu marcelr: let me check something
10:05 marcelr bug 16104 and bug 16407
10:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16104 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Warnings "used only once: possible typo" should be removed
10:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16407 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Passed QA , Fix Koha_borrower_modifications.t
10:05 marcelr no bug 14606
10:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14606 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , Donate to the Koha International Fund
10:06 marcelr no bug 16406
10:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16406 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Fix Context.t tests 27, 37 and sysprefs.t
10:06 Joubu marcelr: that's what I am checking
10:06 marcelr ok
10:06 Joubu 16104 fails t/db_deps/Context.t and sysprefs.t
10:07 marcelr same bug
10:09 marcelr The warning Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /usr/share/koha/masterclone/Koha/ line 284 really bugs me..
10:11 Joubu I don't understand why sysprefs.t fails, git bisect told me it's because of 16104, but if I revert it, the test still fails
10:15 Joubu hum forget that, I have not correctly fixed the revert conflict
10:16 marcelr Joubu: it failed with me if i have no cache
10:16 Joubu Reverting 16104 makes the test passes
10:16 Joubu marcelr: please define "no cache"
10:16 marcelr no cache at all
10:16 marcelr self->cache = undef
10:16 Joubu I have stopped memcached and it still passes
10:17 marcelr not the same i guess
10:18 Joubu so MEMCACHED_SERVERS not defined?
10:18 marcelr yes
10:21 Joubu hum, still passes
10:22 Joubu marcelr: I have reverted 16104 with
10:22 Joubu -        if ( can_load( modules => { 'Cache::Memory' => undef, nocache => 1 } )
10:22 Joubu +        if ( can_load( modules => { 'Cache::Memory' => undef } )
10:22 Joubu then
10:22 Joubu warn $self->{cache}; before the return in Koha::Cache->new
10:23 Joubu and get Cache::Memory=HASH(0x8b2d32c)
10:23 marcelr so we should always have a cache now?
10:24 marcelr that will probably resolve the two failing tests of bug 16406
10:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16406 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Fix Context.t tests 27, 37 and sysprefs.t
10:31 marcelr Joubu: could you have a look at bug 16412
10:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16412 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Cache undef in L1 only
10:32 marcelr just few lines
10:32 marcelr including typo fix :)
10:39 marcelr Joubu++ #qa
11:08 Joubu marcelr: Does t/Cache.t pass for you?
11:09 marcelr yes it did
11:09 marcelr when enabled i mean
11:09 marcelr i will try without now
11:09 marcelr # Looks like you planned 40 tests but ran 37.
11:09 marcelr so no
11:10 Joubu that's weird
11:11 marcelr Joubu: can you add your revert patch on bug 16104
11:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16104 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Warnings "used only once: possible typo" should be removed
11:12 marcelr Joubu : when i remove nocache =>1 it passes
11:13 Joubu arf yes, forgot that again
11:13 Joubu I will attach the revert patch
11:13 marcelr and Context.t also as well as sysprefs.t
11:13 marcelr greast
11:13 marcelr great
11:15 marcelr Joubu: can you change its status to PQA or shall I do it?
11:15 marcelr to get it into RM attention
11:16 Joubu marcelr: I may be good to add your signoff on it and change the status accordingly
11:16 marcelr will do it
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11:51 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:00 marcelr hi oleonard
12:02 * cait waves
12:12 druthb cait++
12:13 Joubu oleonard: did you have time to take a look at bug 16400?
12:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons
12:13 oleonard Not yet Joubu. I'll try to get to it today though
12:13 Joubu oleonard: ok thanks
12:14 cait druthb: i didn't do anything!
12:15 druthb Sure you did.
12:15 marcelr mveron++
12:23 cait mveron++ marcelr++ Joubu++
12:23 marcelr cait++
12:23 druthb see?
12:23 cait everyone backto work now! :)
12:23 marcelr join the + party
12:23 marcelr oops
12:24 druthb mean cait!
12:24 marcelr she is
12:24 druthb @karma
12:24 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "cait" (358), "Joubu" (321), and "tcohen" (245).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-28), "failed" (-26), and "<-" (-26).  You (druthb) are ranked 48 out of 584.
12:25 druthb @karma druthb
12:25 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
12:25 marcelr khall: if you name them all like updated_on, you may have the same ambigous column problems like before
12:26 marcelr of course, it looks nicer than bortimestamp :)
12:26 khall marcelr: yes, I think we had different goals in mind ; ) I don't think we should be forcing unique column names across tables, I just think 'timestamp' is too ambigous and is a keyword
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12:27 marcelr yes, we are climbing at least
12:27 khall with the move away from direct SQL use, having duplicate column names becomes a non-issue
12:28 * cait issa not mean!
12:29 druthb :P
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12:35 tcohen morning!
12:36 magnuse afternoon!
12:36 wahanui afternoon is good
12:37 marcelr hola tcohen
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12:40 tcohen hi magnuse marcelr
12:40 oleonard Joubu: Looking at 16400, where did the update to the plugin come from?
12:40 tcohen what needs to be fixed for 16.05? I saw there was lots of action since friday
12:40 Joubu from the jsfiddle in the header
12:41 marcelr tcohen: if possible, fix everything
12:41 cait khall: can you add to the dev meeting agenda?
12:41 khall nope, will do!
12:41 oleonard Joubu: Oh, so the jsfiddle at that link was updated
12:42 Joubu oleonard: yep
12:42 cait i think this week is general meeting and next week is dev meeting
12:46 marcelr cait: fortunately we have a qa manager in 16.05 !
12:53 marcelr thx khall++
12:53 khall np!
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13:44 tcohen hi Joubu khall
13:44 khall mornin!
13:44 Joubu tcohen: hi!
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13:50 drojf hi #koha
14:07 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:07 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (3:50 PM CEST on May 02, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
14:07 drojf may++
14:07 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:08 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is 18.2°C (10:01 AM EDT on May 02, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
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14:16 druthb drojf!
14:16 * druthb waves
14:16 drojf druthb!
14:16 druthb @wunder 77447
14:16 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Blueberry Farm, Hockley, Texas is 16.3°C (9:16 AM CDT on May 02, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 3 PM CDT this afternoon...
14:17 oleonard Oh no, the blueberry farm is in danger!
14:17 * oleonard sends sandbags
14:17 druthb not much--we're about 50 miles inland...
14:17 druthb It's just that the county I live in is larger than a couple of US states.
14:19 drojf ubuntu has a package format called snap?
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14:21 drojf and it includes all dependencies? that would be a lot of fun packing a gazillion perl deps for koha ;)
14:30 Joubu khall: EnhancedMessagingPreferencesOPAC appears twice in sysprefs.sql
14:30 khall we'll have to take care of that! Is there a bug report yet?
14:31 Joubu khall: no, just noticed that while trying to insert the sql file
14:31 khall ah, gotcha
14:32 Joubu khall: do you want me to open one?
14:32 khall yes plz
14:34 Joubu bug 16418
14:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16418 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , EnhancedMessagingPreferencesOPAC appears twice in sysprefs.sql
14:34 Joubu patch attached
14:36 Joubu and bug 11371 added lines after the rollback!
14:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bouzid.fergani, Pushed to Master , Add a new report : Orders by budget
14:39 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
14:39 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 17.1°C (11:35 AM ART on May 02, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
14:43 Joubu both bug 16418 and bug 16419 are waiting for love
14:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16418 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , EnhancedMessagingPreferencesOPAC appears twice in sysprefs.sql
14:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16419 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Tests of t/db_dependent/Acquisition.t do not pass
14:44 oleonard What is the current status of T:T tags inside HTML and translatability? Is it still an issue?
14:44 Joubu yes
14:44 oleonard I'm surprised to find this: <input value="[% IF ( reserveloo.suspend ) %]Unsuspend[% ELSE %]Suspend[% END %]"
14:45 tcohen oleonard: that s*ks
14:45 Joubu yes
14:45 Joubu some tests should fail
14:45 tcohen the qa ones
14:45 Joubu also
14:45 oleonard Okay, I'm changing that line anyway so I'll fix that one at least.
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14:52 Joubu khall: I do not know why, but Koha/Schema/Result/ is not up to date with the structure
14:52 tcohen khall: are you pushing 16155?
14:52 Joubu itemtype has a on delete cascade (vs set null)
14:52 khall tcohen: I can if you think it should be
14:53 khall JoshB: that's odd, I'll have to run a schema rebuild against kohastructure
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14:54 tcohen khall: I passed it :-D
14:54 khall excellent! will do!
14:56 Joubu tcohen: did you pass all the tests?
14:57 tcohen which tests¡?
14:58 tcohen ah, I didn't re-test
14:59 tcohen i worked on some of the failing ones
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14:59 Joubu tcohen: all the tests in t :)
14:59 cait oleonard: it might work becaue it's 'value' but hard to tell without checking the po file
15:00 cait bettr to avoid anyway
15:01 khall Joubu: do you have any idea what bug that is related to?
15:01 Joubu khall: commit fc81ee50040076ba6417cd047ea72c9ced7a1414 from bug 15533
15:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15533 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow patrons and librarians to select itemtype when placing hold
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15:01 khall thanks!
15:02 tcohen khall: let me check what Joubu mentions about 16155 before pushing
15:02 khall tcohen: sounds good
15:03 Joubu kidclamp: around?
15:05 tcohen khall: there's a problem with dependencies
15:05 tcohen edifact deps are not pulled by the packages
15:06 khall ooh, that's no good
15:06 tcohen are you addressing that with gmcharlt ?
15:06 gmcharlt I'm working on the master package today and tomorrow
15:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15533 - DBRev - Update OldReserve schema file to match database schema <[…]d42271a6f1f412b62>
15:06 tcohen gmcharlt++
15:07 gmcharlt and consequently will be updating deps as needed
15:07 tcohen gmcharlt: it seems that the ES patches missed to add to
15:07 tcohen do u need a patch from us for that?
15:16 Joubu Thanks tcohen for the love you gave to these 2 patches ;)
15:16 tcohen you are welcome
15:16 bag morning
15:16 bag bug 16104
15:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16104 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Warnings "used only once: possible typo" should be removed
15:17 Joubu bag: the patch from this bug was wrong, I have submitted a revert patch (second on the bug report).
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15:17 Joubu I will get back the warnings, and no idea how to remove them
15:18 bag cool I’m busy at the moment - but I’ve got khall looking at it for me
15:18 Joubu bag: k, no worries
15:19 Joubu pianohacker: morning! :)
15:19 Joubu pianohacker: I was going to let you a later
15:19 tcohen Joubu: several tests failing on master at t/db_dependent!
15:19 Joubu pianohacker: but it might be a bit too early for the question :)
15:19 Joubu tcohen: yes, several fixes are in the PQA queue
15:20 tcohen notably t/db_dependent/www/search_utf8.t
15:20 tcohen Joubu: really? you all rock!
15:20 Joubu no fix for this one
15:20 * tcohen is trying to figure what tests are broken by 16155
15:20 pianohacker hi
15:20 wahanui kia ora, pianohacker
15:20 pianohacker Joubu: what's up?
15:21 Joubu tcohen: Marcel sent an email about the failures, I have signed them off
15:21 Joubu pianohacker: I wanted to know if we had a plan for the cache patches
15:22 tcohen Joubu: I'll try to do something about search_utf8.t
15:22 Joubu pianohacker: specifically bug 16166 and bug 16140
15:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16166 enhancement, P2, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , Improve L1 cache performance and safety
15:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16140 enhancement, P2, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Only clear L1 cache when needed
15:23 Joubu pianohacker: and Jacek submited a patch on a new one: bug 16365
15:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16365 enhancement, P2, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , Selectively introduce GetMarcStructure() "unsafe" variant for better performance
15:25 pianohacker Joubu: not a plan, at this moment, purely because we're still debating competing approaches
15:25 Joubu pianohacker: how can we unlock the situation?
15:26 Joubu it would be great to have something in the next release
15:26 Joubu well, we already have something, but something more :)
15:27 pianohacker I'm not really sure...
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15:28 pianohacker we have a lot of things we can do to improve performance, all of which come with some amount of safety/code-complexity costs
15:28 Joubu we do not have lot of areas where we can improve perfs easily, Koha::Cache is one
15:29 pianohacker yeah
15:29 Joubu the thing is that I have proved that bug 16140 is almost wrong
15:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16140 enhancement, P2, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Only clear L1 cache when needed
15:29 pianohacker oh?
15:30 Joubu the time consumed to calculated the "invalidation" is important
15:30 Joubu -d
15:30 pianohacker agreed, but based on the benchmarks we've done, it's still a net win
15:30 pianohacker https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=16140#c17
15:30 huginn Bug 16140: enhancement, P2, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Only clear L1 cache when needed
15:31 Joubu yes but less than 16166
15:31 Joubu see the different numbers from Jacek and me on 16140
15:33 Joubu pianohacker: I also think that 16088 is really important as it will avoid to flush the L1 cache unecessary
15:33 Joubu :q
15:33 pianohacker agreed!
15:33 pianohacker but I'm confused, those numbers aren't actually testing the cache invalidation code
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15:35 Joubu see comment 12
15:36 Joubu 11&12
15:36 pianohacker Joubu: right, right, but we already talked about that; that's why I said "there's something oddly system-dependent going on here"
15:36 pianohacker Joubu: because in my numbers, it helped; thus the confusion
15:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Bug 16104: Remove warnings "used only once: possible typo"" <[…]b7086357c2e5521d0>
15:38 Joubu yep
15:38 Joubu that makes things complicated if it is the case :D
15:38 pianohacker all of this stuff is complicated
15:38 Joubu I will need to rerun a bench of tests, to get numbers with the new patches
15:39 pianohacker I think that is a good idea
15:39 Joubu pianohacker: what do you think about 16166? Are you against the idea?
15:39 pianohacker I quite like it
15:39 Joubu but...?
15:39 wahanui well, but is it right? -a -b -x should abort because -a and -x are not mixable?
15:39 pianohacker no buts :) I just think we should put in as much of this as we can
15:40 pianohacker I think 16140 (with or without the "make everything unsafe!" patch) + 16088 + 16166 would be a great boon
15:41 Joubu pianohacker: ok, I will try to have another look at all of them
15:46 oleonard The icons aren't perfect, but I wonder if this would be useful?
15:48 nengard i like it
15:49 oleonard It adds a click, but makes the table more compact
15:50 Joubu bye #koha
15:57 tcohen bye Joubu
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18:40 oleonard Bug 16421
18:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16421 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move hold edit actions into dropdown menu
18:40 oleonard A revised screenshot of my proposal is attached to that bug.
18:42 pianohacker oleonard: I had an idle thought about drag-and-drop reordering; what are your thoughts on that?
18:44 oleonard I'm torn. It's a non-obvious interaction to most, I'd guess. But if you knew how it worked it would be superior for lists up to a certain size.
18:44 oleonard If the list is too long I think drag and drop would become unwieldy
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18:46 pianohacker oleonard_: agreed
18:51 * cait waves
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19:42 eythian well that was good. So, when I first booked my kohacon hotel last week, I couldn't get the 28th and 29th. I decided to try again. Was able to adjust the booking for that time, and get a room at a lower per-night rate for the whole time.
19:42 eythian Excellent :)
19:42 eythian *try again tonight
20:04 cait oh
20:04 cait interesting
20:04 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:04 cait via
20:05 eythian yeah
20:07 eythian I guess someone had cancelled and so I caught whatever opened up.
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20:11 cait cool
20:12 * eythian thinks it's perhaps a pity they won't see my work email address as part of this and upgrade me or something ;)
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20:30 eythian I have an excessive amount of photos from the electrische museumtramlijn
20:30 eythian I think I'll have to do the actual writing part tomorrow.
20:32 cait :)
20:45 tcohen bye Koha
20:45 eythian tcohen: you coming to kohacon?
20:45 tcohen nope :-(
20:45 eythian aw pity
20:46 tcohen yeah
20:46 tcohen i'm missing the chance to meet you!
20:46 tcohen i will follow it live if possible!
20:46 tcohen bye!
20:46 eythian that is definitely the worst part of not attending ;)
20:46 eythian later!
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21:51 wizzyrea florent: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]h=namespace&go=Go < the first two here
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21:53 wizzyrea https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Koha::_namespace
22:31 kidclamp @later tell Joubu - can you take a look at bug 15840?
22:31 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
22:31 wizzyrea bug 15840
22:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15840 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Import borrowers tool explodes if userid already exists
22:31 wizzyrea heh yeah
22:31 wizzyrea that's a bug
22:31 wizzyrea and it's an annoying one
22:31 wizzyrea florent and I were just talking about that
22:32 kidclamp very rarely do you hear "I love that bug!"
22:33 kidclamp Though woe to the man who views a bug as a feature, squashing comes for us all in the end
22:34 wizzyrea
22:35 wizzyrea kidclamp ^
22:36 wizzyrea kidclamp: I think we should file a separate bug, if one doesn't exist
22:36 wizzyrea because it's totally a thing, and an annoying one at that
22:36 wizzyrea if there is no userid, we should ignore it.
22:37 wizzyrea or optionally create one
22:42 kidclamp I can do that in a bit wizzyrea  - I put the comment there meaning to follow up and then forgot
22:42 wizzyrea sok it happens :)
22:42 kidclamp lol xkcd
22:43 wizzyrea the day I found it, I said exactly the same thing but I was under a bit of pressure to finish a thing
22:43 wizzyrea and didn't >.<
22:44 wizzyrea that xkcd is the best.
23:11 * Francesca waves
23:14 wizzyrea heya
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23:27 florent yep, yep, I will backport this fix to bug 12598 ... and create a new bug today for the ignored/overwritten import dates.
23:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12598 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Patch doesn't apply , New misc/ command line tool
23:31 wizzyrea florent++
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