IRC log for #koha, 2016-02-29

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00:22 jcamins Okay, the bacon chocolate chip cookies were less than successful, I think.
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01:16 wizzyrea That's a shame.
01:33 ibeardslee how can chocolate and bacon be less than successful?
01:36 jcamins ibeardslee: I should've used half as much bacon fat.
01:36 jcamins Maybe even less.
01:36 jcamins So I doubled everything else.
01:37 jcamins The dough is in the freezer. I'll try baking them next weekend.
01:38 ibeardslee ahh
01:39 jcamins Still, three batches of brownies and financiers isn't too bad for a day's baking.
01:42 jcamins And pesto-mozzarella soufflés.
01:44 Francesca yum
01:44 jcamins And it wasn't baking, but I also made potato-leek soup.
01:45 * jcamins just wanted to make sure that #koha hadn't forgotten the importance of discussing food.
01:49 Francesca lol
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06:48 Joubu hi #koha
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07:45 marcelr hi #koha
07:45 reiveune hello
07:45 wahanui hola, reiveune
07:50 jajm hi #koha
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08:01 alex_a bonjour
08:01 wahanui que tal, alex_a
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08:02 gaetan_B hello
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08:10 * magnuse waves
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08:16 cait morning #koha
08:16 marcelr hi cait
08:17 cait hi marcelr :)
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08:23 LibraryClaire morning #koha
08:25 cait morning LibraryClaire
08:25 LibraryClaire hi cait!
08:27 * magnuse waves again
08:27 * LibraryClaire waves
08:28 cait morning magnuse
08:28 magnuse Guten Morgen cait
08:42 * cait mumbles something about spaces in branchcodes
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08:49 cait Joubu++ thx for fixing the export bu
08:49 cait g
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09:18 marcelr Joubu: bug 15809
09:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15809 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , versions of CGI < 4.08 do not have multi_param
09:19 Joubu marcelr: yep?
09:19 wahanui yep.
09:19 marcelr we should ask galen what we can expect and also in what form
09:20 marcelr in that case he could rebase on top of 15809?
09:20 marcelr and when..
09:21 Joubu yes, we should
09:22 marcelr i will add a comment too
10:30 Joubu @later tell khall please have a look at bug 15471 and bug 14889. They are both pushed to master, but a RM action is required (revert + push a followup). I have changed the status to PQA to sent them back to your queueu
10:30 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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10:58 vfernandes hi :)
10:59 cait hi vfernandes
11:01 vfernandes someone here has successfully managed to integrate the Koha with ADFS?
11:01 cait what is adfs?
11:02 vfernandes active directory federation services:[…]ary/bb897402.aspx
11:03 vfernandes it's a plataform to single sign-on
11:04 vfernandes kinda like CAS
11:08 vfernandes Koha fully supports CAS right?
11:09 cait not sure what woudl be fully, but it seems to work :)
11:09 cait also shibboleth and ldap
11:11 vfernandes I never tried CAS and Shibboleth in Koha... LDAP it's working fine
11:25 cait we have tried CAS with a test server recently, it seemed to work ok
11:29 vfernandes nice! :)
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11:35 drojf hi #koha
11:40 vfernandes hi drojf
11:43 kivilahtio How do you access the standard identifiers from MARC::Record, like ISBN, EAN, ISSN, ...
11:44 kivilahtio MARC::Record doesn't have an accessor for those
11:44 kivilahtio or maybe a unique identifier which correspons to the Bib1 attribute set's search index 'standard identifier'
11:45 kivilahtio there doesn't seem to be a convenient way to access these informations in a unified way which would work for all marc standards
11:45 kivilahtio we could easily solve this by extending MARC::Record as Koha::Record
11:47 kivilahtio I guess I have separate code in may different places where i need to access these standard identifiers and it is not fun
11:47 kivilahtio maybe somebody else has stumbled upon this issue
11:50 drojf do we have blobs of the authority records MARC in the db, like we have for biblios? if so, where?
11:51 Joubu kivilahtio: we don't, you have to call GetMarcFromKohaField
11:51 kivilahtio Joubu: but there is no Koha field for EAN
11:52 kivilahtio Joubu: also sometimes many MARC::Fields can map to one Koha database column
11:52 Joubu biblioitems.ean
11:52 kivilahtio Joubu: like
11:53 kivilahtio Joubu: how about issn? ismn?
11:53 kivilahtio Joubu: they can also be defined in different MARC::Fields
11:53 Joubu biblioitems.issn ? :p
11:54 kivilahtio true
11:54 Joubu GetMarcFromKohaField - Returns the MARC fields & subfields mapped to the koha field.
11:54 Joubu so you will get all the fields
11:54 kivilahtio well my core question was, how convenient it would be to be able to say $MARC::Record->standard_identifier
11:55 kivilahtio instead of if-elsif:ing all the different columns you need to guess if the record has
11:56 Joubu we usually retrieve the issn, isbn or whatever from the DB, not from the MARC record
11:56 kivilahtio also there is still the case where the same info can be in multiple fields/subfields
11:56 kivilahtio Joubu: like the title, it maps by default to 245$a but it can be in couple of other places depending on the record
11:56 kivilahtio like 240$a
11:56 kivilahtio for ex
11:57 kivilahtio or even 130$a
11:57 kivilahtio anyway, just asking if there could be a way to define simple identifiers and map groups of Marc::Fields to them
11:57 Joubu yes true, they are displayed using xslt, so passing a MARC record
11:57 kivilahtio Joubu: you cannot invoke XLT transformation everywhere
11:58 kivilahtio for example if you want to drive reporting on records automatically fetched from a remote source and overlayed over local records
11:58 kivilahtio then produce a list of what has been done automatically
11:59 kivilahtio it is inconvenient to involve xslt processing
11:59 kivilahtio anyway
12:00 kivilahtio just asking,. I think the MarcToKohaMapping needs an overhaul to enable mapping multiple subfields to koha-columns
12:00 kivilahtio that might be an interesting challenge
12:01 kivilahtio this is most apparent when printing labels for items. We have a title in the record, but because it is no in the exact same field, it wont get printed
12:08 Joubu kivilahtio: it seems quite hard to do what you want to do, but interesting yes :)
12:08 kivilahtio Joubu: I have no idea how well the core is regression tested
12:08 kivilahtio Joubu: without those, that trip will be quite scary
12:10 Joubu Almost sure there is not any
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12:38 oleonard Hi #koha
12:49 * cait wonders why she fixed the kohacon bids table in the first place...
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12:50 cait kivilahtio: ean doesn't work for marc21 the same way as for unimarc... it#s not separate but one of those multi-purpose fields iirc
12:51 drojf cait: what is wrong with the table
12:51 drojf ?
12:51 cait i added the sample line at the bottom again
12:51 cait and they moved it to the middle
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12:52 cait nothing too bad i guess - but i think it looks kind of werid
12:52 cait apart from thinking... why?
12:53 vfernandes people another question: it's possible to block record edit to some people/library?
12:53 cait vfernandes: nope
12:54 vfernandes cait: humm ok... but there is any development to do that?
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12:55 kidclamp hello #koha
12:55 oleonard vfernandes: How would you want that to work?
12:56 cait hi kidclamp
12:56 cait vfernandes: the record does belong to 'all libraries' at th emoment
12:56 cait i think if you wanted to implement some kind of permission system, you'd have to defien ownership first in the db in some way
12:57 cait i think it's not stored right now who added a record to the catalog
12:57 vfernandes oleanord, cait: I would like to work like items, the record belongs to some library
12:59 kidclamp so would each library have their own record for a given title?
12:59 oleonard vfernandes: You can try searching bugzilla to see if anyone has filed a bug for something like that
12:59 kidclamp vfernandes, would this help?
12:59 kidclamp https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9163
12:59 huginn Bug 9163: new feature, P1 - high, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Cataloguing validation workflow
13:00 vfernandes kidclamp: that was a bug filled by and it's something different
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13:01 kidclamp hah, sorry didn't realize it was yours :-)
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13:14 tcohen_ bonjour
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13:17 tcohen bonjour
13:17 wahanui salut, tcohen
13:17 tcohen Joubu: hi
13:17 wahanui privet, tcohen
13:18 Joubu ¡hola tcohen!
13:21 Joubu Everything is so slow since this morning
13:21 Joubu (even my brain)
13:22 Joubu Is there something special happening on 29th Feb?
13:22 Joubu master is really really slow, koha-qa tools too
13:22 tcohen every 4 years (with some exceptions) it exists
13:36 cait someone volunteering to send a meeting reminder?
13:36 cait https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_1_March_2016
13:37 Joubu cait: will do
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13:41 cait oh thx :)
13:41 cait Joubu++
13:43 tcohen oh, we moved to tuesdays
13:43 tcohen Joubu++
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13:53 Joubu git bz attach fails...
13:54 oleonard Joubu: I've had that happen many times recently. Check to see that it hasn't succeeded despite the error.
13:54 Joubu ha, it says it fails, but it didn't!
13:54 Joubu oleonard: yes, just realise I have attached 3x the patch to the bug
13:55 Joubu oleonard: did you send the error to rangi?
13:55 oleonard He says he didn't see anything unusual in the error logs
13:55 Joubu hum, weird
13:56 oleonard But usually I don't see an actual error, I just see something like "This shouldn't happen!"
13:56 Joubu it's a 500
13:58 tcohen Joubu: i had errors when I updated the bug status with the same command
13:58 tcohen like git bz attach -e number HEAD
13:59 Joubu I have sent the error to rangi by email
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14:08 oleonard Are folks using a pre-commit hook these days, or just using qa-tools?
14:09 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]gs_when_commiting.2Fapplying
14:11 tcohen oleonard: qa-tools here
14:17 Joubu oleonard: these hooks are quite old, the qa tools check much more than that
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14:18 Joubu actually the qa tools do not check for Dumper and the mysqlism, but others are
14:19 oleonard I wouldn't consider the hook to be a replacement for the qa tools, but I find it a nice quick way to check for some simple mistakes.
14:20 Joubu yes it is, but the one on the wiki does not cover a lot of cases
14:21 Joubu I have stopped using it because I use to commit with debug statements when implementing stuffs
14:21 Joubu and it bothered me not to be allowed to do it :)
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15:06 geek_cl Hi #koha guys,!
15:06 oleonard Hi geek_cl
15:06 geek_cl a little question, there is any changes aabout ldap auth in the new plack version ?
15:06 geek_cl hi oleonard
15:06 geek_cl ;)
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15:11 geek_cl i use this confi:
15:15 geek_cl in plack-error.log _
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15:25 Joubu geek_cl: does it work without plack? Does it work on 3.20.X? Does it work on 3.22.X? Does it work on master?
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15:28 geek_cl Joubu, work with 3.20.X, but not with 3.22.X
15:29 Joubu geek_cl: so 3.20.x without plack I guess. Could you try 3.22.x without plack?
15:31 geek_cl Joubu, let me try
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15:33 geek_cl Joubu, the same...
15:36 Joubu geek_cl: that's weird, I don't remember anything modifying ldap code between 3.20 and 3.22
15:36 Joubu We had bug 9165, but it has been pushed before 3.20
15:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9165 enhancement, P4, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Allow preventing passwords from being stored locally when using LDAP
15:37 Joubu I don't know this code well, I cannot help you, but have a look at that bug (it says something about update_password in koha-conf.xml) and 12831
15:38 Joubu geek_cl: the error you got is about wrong password comparison, try to find what strings are compared
15:39 cait hm have you checked the release notes?
15:39 cait oh, scrolling...
15:40 cait @later tell khall could you take a look at bug 15585?
15:40 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
15:40 tcohen anyone looked at the failing tests?
15:41 Joubu tcohen: I did not. If you did not and I did not, I guess nobody did...
15:42 tcohen ok
15:42 * tcohen tries to get more involved, will start with that
15:45 geek_cl based on 9165, now i use:
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16:02 tcohen bbl
16:02 tcohen cya
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16:21 geek_cl in logs:
16:23 pianohacker Joubu: what error are you getting on bug 13757? Missing sha1 information? I was getting the same :/
16:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Patch doesn't apply , Make patron attributes editable in the opac if set to 'editable in OPAC'
16:25 Joubu no, conflict on opac/ and tt
16:25 Joubu Applying: Bug 13757: Make patron attributes editable in the OPAC (2/2)
16:25 pianohacker grr. Okay, I'll rebase it
16:40 hbraum joubu just tried to test batch checkout again like you asked on bug 15718, but am getting software errors :\
16:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15718 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Need more information for items that don't successfully batch checkout
16:41 hbraum left a comment on that bug for you — can’t dig around any further this morning. will try again later.
16:41 cait hbraum: did you apply the dependency?
16:42 cait the patch dedpends on bug 15920
16:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15920 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Clean up and fix errors in batch checkout template
16:42 cait aah see yu did
16:42 Joubu hbraum: ok thanks, will have a look
16:42 cait forget i asked
16:43 hbraum ok cait :) yeah i was actually trying to test 15920 for joubu.
16:43 cait it#s been a long day
16:44 hbraum cait :( why is the extra day we get every four years a monday?
16:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15471 [QA Followup] - Revert use of raw method which is no longer used do to... <[…]90f91b04503484552>
16:50 cait no idea,seems unfair )
16:53 drojf cait: does bug 15331 do what you were looking for with bug 15183?
16:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15331 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Sort order breaks at offset=1000 (both OPAC and Intranet)
16:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , "Continuing" orders for serials, databases and similar
16:53 drojf hm no that was wrong
16:53 drojf bug 15531
16:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Add support for standing orders
16:54 cait drojf:  i have to check it out - it might help
16:54 cait one thing I wonder about tho - it seems totally separate from the 'order from subscription' option
16:54 cait so probably you have to choose which to use
16:55 drojf hm
16:55 drojf yeah i think i know what you mean
16:56 cait i like wht i see in the description - but haven't tested it yet, so not sure how it's all implemented
16:57 * pianohacker pokes his head up
16:58 pianohacker cait: yes, it is separate from the serials stuff
16:58 pianohacker mainly used for unpredictable orders where the serials module isn't useful
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17:10 reiveune bye
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17:11 Joubu @later tell tcohen could you have a look at bug 15870, as I know you have started something with Koha::RecordProcessor
17:11 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:15 tmcmahon I'm having a problem with the OPAC in 3.22.03 where it's not showing the name of the user who's logged in and it's repeating the information it does show.
17:17 tmcmahon When I log into the OPAC it just says Hello, Click her if you're not, then lists the items Ihave checked out and repeats all of that 75 times.
17:20 oleonard Sorry tmcmahon I can't reproduce your problem in my test system.
17:20 oleonard Have you looked at the error logs to see if anything looks suspicious?
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17:23 pastebot "tmcmahon" at pasted "Errors when logging into the OPAC (3.22.03)" (3 lines) at
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17:33 tmcmahon There are more places with the problem, but they probably all come from the same source.
17:35 cait pianohacker: what is an unpredictable order if not a serial? ;)
17:35 cait or a loose leaf
17:36 cait it's nice that it works without thes serial module, but i think there are use cases where the option to connect to a subscription could be nice
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17:39 tmcmahon If I try to place a hold, it displays "Confirm holds for: () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () ()"
17:42 pastebot "tmcmahon" at pasted "Errors when logging placing a hole from the OPAC (3.22.03)" (2 lines) at
17:43 tcohen bag: i've added a followup for 15288, addressing one of the failing tests in master (jenkins)
17:43 tmcmahon That should be "Errors when logged in placing a hold from the OPAC..."
17:44 tcohen Joubu: i will QA 15870
17:44 Joubu tcohen: thakns
17:45 tcohen i've been following mtompset's work and exchanging ideas
17:50 drojf later #koha
17:53 Joubu see you #koha!
17:59 tcohen @later tell Joubu I couldn't bisect Circulation_Issuingrule.t problem, but it is reproducible in kohadevbox
17:59 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:59 tcohen khall: we have a couple problems with the tests
17:59 tcohen they might be (or not) big deals
17:59 khall tcohen: please go on
18:00 tcohen http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/
18:00 tcohen the, I fixed it on 15288
18:00 tcohen couldn't reproduce 00-strict.t
18:01 tcohen and was able to reproduce the last one, but couldn't figure
18:01 tcohen (i only did a bisect, which could mean it is related to a DB structure change)
18:02 tcohen if you go back a lot, and still fails, might be on the DB
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18:07 tcohen am i online?
18:08 onre yes, you are
18:08 tcohen thanks
18:08 onre alternatively, define online
18:08 khall tcohen: running those tests now to see if any happen for me
18:09 tcohen 00-strict.t takes too much heh
18:09 tcohen and it doesn't fail on my box
18:09 khall tcohen: indeed!
18:09 khall tcohen: I think maybe we should submit a patch to change ok's to is's if we can, that may give us more data
18:10 tcohen we could make 00-strict.t parametrizable
18:10 tcohen ah
18:11 tcohen bug 6679
18:11 wahanui bug 6679 is not getting backported.
18:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
18:16 tcohen bbl
18:16 tcohen khall: let me know if there's anything i can do
18:23 * magnuse does the evening wave
18:26 * druthb waves back.
18:31 gaetan_B bye
18:43 khall @later tell tcohen any idea why this doesn't work?[…]88aa9276bb1fdee3c
18:43 huginn khall: The operation succeeded.
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18:52 bag back
18:53 magnuse bag: HI
18:53 bag hi there
18:53 wahanui hey, bag
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18:58 khall @later tell tcohen could the script.t test failure be related to
18:58 huginn khall: The operation succeeded.
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19:28 geek_cl Joubu, just for confirm, its worked.
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19:53 geek_cl for the LDAP-AUTH records:
20:01 barton anyone know off hand what methods are available to enter unicode characters in the MARC editor?
20:02 barton eg, if I enter html entities, will they be passed in?
20:02 barton or do I need to use alt codes?
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20:06 cait barton: you enter unicode characters
20:06 cait nt html
20:06 cait definitely not html
20:07 cait it dependson your OS what options it gives you to enter orginal script
20:07 cait like if you have language support installedfor a language or not i'd say
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21:00 cait barton: i am sorry if that didn't make much sense :)
21:00 barton cait: actually, I think it did make sense...
21:02 cait just kinda not finding the words to explain what i mean
21:02 cait when i studied japanese the language support for windows included tools to help you entering the signs
21:06 cait it's been a long monday :)
21:30 * Francesca waves
21:33 * magnuse waves good night (or other time of the day)
21:40 Francesca its morning here magnuse
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23:12 cait gmcharlt++ # packages
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