IRC log for #koha, 2015-09-11

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00:00 Francesca we've not been abandoned!
00:00 Francesca nether
00:00 cdickinson I hereby proclaim myself as the Technical Lead of Koha at Catalyst
00:00 Francesca we need Chris
00:00 Francesca rangi actually since irc
00:00 BobB the wellington team is widespread though
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00:00 Francesca we're just the minions
00:01 Francesca it just so happens that we're also the only people in the koha office at the moment
00:01 ibeardslee .. well behave yourself then
00:02 Francesca but of course
00:02 cdickinson .......right
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01:53 * Francesca waves at kathryn
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04:07 Francesca @later tell rangi hi do you want me to put the koha icon in the header for the new bugzilla skin?
04:07 huginn Francesca: The operation succeeded.
04:15 Francesca @later tell rangi look! progress in bugzilla!
04:15 huginn Francesca: The operation succeeded.
05:12 irma so if 538$a can't be used, I suggest 942$nSuppress in OPAC
05:12 irma https://bomdevel2-admin.calyx.[…]rameworkcode=DF20
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05:30 Francesca @later tell ibeardslee hey do you want any helpers for the open source academy this summer?
05:30 huginn Francesca: The operation succeeded.
05:30 Francesca @wunder wlg
05:30 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on September 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
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06:12 drojf morning #koha
06:12 * magnuse waves
06:12 drojf hei magnuse
06:13 magnuse moin drojf
06:13 magnuse @wunder boo
06:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 12.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 11, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1032 hPa (Falling).
06:13 magnuse summer is back!
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06:31 reiveune hello
06:31 wahanui niihau, reiveune
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06:39 * magnuse waves again
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07:01 gaetan_B hello
07:01 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
07:01 alex_a bonjour
07:08 magnuse there is no way to show the item level itemtype icons in opac result lists in koha, right?
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07:13 putti Hi !
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08:23 cait morning #koha
08:23 magnuse kia ora cait
08:37 drojf hi cait
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08:50 * andreashm waves
08:50 cait hi magnus, drojf and andreashm :)
08:51 andreashm hi cait
08:52 magnuse hiya andreashm
08:52 pastebot "andreashm" at pasted "OAI" (2 lines) at
08:53 andreashm sigh, running into trouble with my testing of the OAI-PMH harvester with Kohadevbox.
08:53 andreashm magnuse: could you take a look at the paste and see if you have any idea what I did wrong?
08:53 andreashm oh, and hi magnuse!
08:54 andreashm (should maybe have started with that)
08:54 magnuse :-)
08:55 magnuse that is probably a result of running gitified
08:56 andreashm any possible solution magnuse, or should I talk to dcook about it?
08:57 andreashm (or anyone else that might know? cait?)
08:57 magnuse try something like $ sudo koha-shell -c "perl -I/home/vagrant/kohaclone kohaclone/misc/cronjobs/oai/ -d -v" kohadev
08:58 magnuse it is more of a kohadevbox/gitified problem, than a problem with dcook's work
08:58 andreashm You are brilliant magnuse!
08:58 andreashm It seemed to work!
08:58 andreashm magnuse++
09:00 magnuse yay!
09:00 magnuse with -I you can add paths to @INC
09:01 andreashm cool
09:01 andreashm I will so definitely save that info°
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09:40 cait i shoudl save that info too :)
09:40 cait magnuse++
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09:44 cait hi paul_p
09:44 paul_p hi cait
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10:08 saiful hi, i want to know if there's a reason the old_issues.issue_id is not 'auto_increment'
10:09 saiful i'm referring the to the database schema in 3.20x
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10:45 cait saiful: the id is from issues
10:46 cait old_issues contains the old entries from issues, which already have a unique id when they are moved to that table
10:46 Francesca hi
10:47 cait hi Francesca :)
10:47 Francesca yay company!
10:47 Francesca cdickinson says hi
10:47 cait :)
10:47 Francesca wahanui botsnack smiley face
10:47 wahanui thanks Francesca :)
10:48 Francesca @wunder wlg
10:48 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (10:30 PM NZST on September 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
10:50 saiful thanks cait for the clarification
10:52 saiful but i think, this will be a problem during circulation history migration
10:53 cait if it autoincremented - the numbers would get doubled up
10:53 cait between those 2 tables
10:53 cait i guess what you could do is look at the sql that introduced the ids - it's not so long ago - and see how to fill in old data
10:53 saiful but is there a reason the issue_id has to be same in those two tables?
10:53 cait you could add ac ounter yourself and then adjust the counter for the issues table maybe
10:53 saiful i don't see any relationship in the table schema
10:54 cait yes
10:54 cait it is the unique key and could be referenced in other places
10:55 cait it's a unique key for the issue process, it shoudln't change becuse we move it to another talbe - it's still the same process you can refer to
10:55 saiful i migrated currently checked out issues to issues table, then imported circulation history to old_issues table
10:55 saiful the problem will happen when the checked out books gets returned
10:56 cait yeah, i think you can set the key on the table to a value
10:56 cait in issues
10:56 cait so it skips the numbers you have in old_issues
10:57 saiful I set the old_issues.issue_id to auto_increment before importing.. and the site has gone live now
10:57 saiful i guess, I need to re-import the data with manual primary key counter in old_issues table
10:57 Francesca night cait, #koha
10:58 cait saiful: make sure you also adjust the counter in the issues table then - i know it can be done, becasue the migration script did it - but not of the top of my head
11:12 saiful thanks cait
11:12 saiful i think the correct strategy to migrate circulation history would be to first import everything into issues table
11:13 saiful then move the rows with returndate to old_issues table
11:13 cait hm probably the easiest
11:13 saiful that way we'll not violate the PK on old_issues table
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11:54 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
11:54 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 7.3°C (8:50 AM ART on September 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
11:54 tcohen morning
11:55 magnuse @wunder boo
11:55 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on September 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
11:55 magnuse woohoo!
11:55 magnuse hiya tcohen
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11:59 tcohen magnuse: that's warm!
11:59 tcohen in Cordoba, we envy your warm weather :-D
12:05 nengard @wunder 78754
12:05 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Four Seasons, Austin, Texas is 23.9°C (7:05 AM CDT on September 11, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
12:06 nengard :)
12:06 nengard tcohen come visit Austin :)
12:06 tcohen i'd love to :-D
12:08 magnuse tcohen: it sure is warm for the middle of september!
12:08 tcohen .-D
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12:08 magnuse and we have promises of 21 during the weekend
12:08 nengard tcohen if you're okay with my furry children there is a room just for guests :)
12:08 * tcohen is presenting Koha in the Fedora Users and Developers Conference in an hour
12:08 nengard you're welcome whenever
12:09 tcohen thanks magnuse and nengard: i'll be there at some point :-D
12:09 tcohen i plan to show debian's logo really big on the screen
12:09 tcohen ehh
12:09 tcohen only to tell them they are falling behind
12:09 nengard :)
12:10 tcohen there will be a couple package maintainers that are interested in creating what is needed to have a koha package for koha-common
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12:15 magnuse tcohen: a *Fedora* package for koha-common?
12:16 tcohen yeah, i still don't have enough coffee on my system
12:16 tcohen they want to make (our) oldstable, official on the current Fedora version
12:17 tcohen logo?
12:17 wahanui rumour has it logo is[…]s_and_Explanation
12:23 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7241] circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7241>
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13:21 magnuse @wunder boo
13:21 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on September 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
13:21 magnuse have fun #koha!
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15:21 reiveune bye
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16:08 nitz0 good morning wahanui (?)
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18:15 drojf great to see that good old windows version of koha is still "alive"
18:17 drojf tcohen: http://cid-6ac4b4f2fe0a3144.of[…]a2.2.9-W32-R1.EXE if you wanna try :P
18:18 drojf oh sorry that link is dead
18:18 * tcohen downloads it, while wipes his Ubuntu to install Window$ 7
18:19 * tcohen is enjoying "the unsung heroes of Koha" epub
18:19 drojf http://downloads.lisolutions.o[…]a2.2.8-W32-R0.EXE
18:19 drojf ha#
18:19 drojf ha!
18:20 drojf sorry i should have off-ed that
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18:26 Peggy I'm trying to solve a problem that my library has.  When someone does a search for a title they get up to 6 different bib records for all the different formats.  And if they weren't really specific (i.e. they typed "Harry Potter") they are likely to give up before they find the book they are looking for.
18:27 Peggy I like the Editions tab in the records.  And I'm wondering if it would be possible (albeit probably pretty complicated and expensive) to change the summary screen to reflect the work rather that the individual bib records.
18:28 Peggy Would it be possible to have one result in the summary screen for each title, and have an intermediate screen that lists the different formats?  Then they could choose the format to go to the detail screen.
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18:32 wnickc Hi Peggy, I think that you are looking for FRBR support in Koha
18:33 wnickc I don't know if anyone is working on it currently
18:35 Peggy Yup.  I searched the support site and found a presentation that mentioned one site, but that site is in arabic and french, so it was hard for me to tell exactly what was going on.
18:38 Peggy We seem to have the data available, but the FRBR info used to create the editions tab comes from an external source, so I wonder if performance would ever be good enough.
18:41 Peggy
18:41 wnickc I think it's a move that would be supported, I would try sending something out on the lists
18:41 wnickc but it is big, and would need a big push
18:42 wnickc and a lot of decision on the how
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18:44 Peggy Thanks.  I think others would like it, too.
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18:46 wnickc I agree, you could also try here on another day, Friday afternoons are slow
18:48 Peggy will do.
18:48 wnickc where are you from Peggy?  just curious
18:56 Peggy New Hampshire.  We're one of Bywater's customers
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18:58 wnickc VT Bywater customer here :-)  In Hartford (Quechee)
18:58 cait hi wnickc?:)
18:58 wnickc Hi cait
18:58 cait VT?
18:58 wnickc Vermont
18:58 cait oh :)
18:58 cait not familiar with those abbreviations
18:59 wnickc don't worry, state abbreviations are wierd and not obvious
18:59 Peggy So we are neighbors, wnickc.
18:59 Peggy Hi Cait!
18:59 wnickc missouri = mo, montana=mt, you'd never guess them all
18:59 cait hi Peggy :)
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19:31 barton hey, I was wondering if there was a quick and reliable way to find out which release a bug was pushed to master in.
19:33 barton is there a calender which shows when releases were released?
19:37 wnickc barton:last time I asked, the answer was no to question 1
19:37 wnickc about->timeline in master has dates for releases
19:38 barton thanks, that's good to know.
19:40 wnickc took me a second to figure out why our timeline in production stops in the past
19:40 Peggy maybe we could request that a note be put in each bugzilla bug when it is added in a particular release.
19:42 barton yeah... thats strange -- I looked at the timeline for a server; it stopped at June 23 2013 -- Koha 3.12.1 released.
19:43 barton Peggy: yeah, that's always nice to have, but I far prefer the reliability of computers :-)
19:44 barton besides, having an automated tool means that we can figure it out retroactively when it isn't there.
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20:13 nitz0 Irma Tando?
20:17 pianohacker Peggy: hi! Are you with dovernet?
20:24 bag should stick hre
20:24 bag here
20:24 pianohacker ha!
20:27 Peggy Hi Pianohacker.  Yes, I'm with Dovernet.
20:28 pianohacker Peggy: Hi! I'm Jesse Weaver with ByWater
20:28 Peggy Hi Jesse!
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20:31 nitz0 tcohen!
20:32 tcohen nitz0!
20:36 * cait waves
20:39 nitz0 actualice del al con todo funcionando sin el minimo problema
20:41 tcohen nitz0: that's expected :-D
20:42 tcohen congratulations!
20:42 tcohen why not 3.20 :-D?
20:43 nitz0 it's possible to upgrade 3.18 to 3.20 without mysqldump and all that upgrade schema? (is not a lot of work, just asking)
20:45 bag @roulette spin
20:45 huginn *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
20:46 bag @roulette
20:46 huginn bag: *click*
20:47 cait nitz0: you should always do a backup
20:47 cait technically it works without a dump
20:48 cait not sure what you mean by upgrade schema?
20:48 cait hi bag :)
20:48 bag hi cait
20:48 tcohen nitz0: no worries, we are really proud of 3.20 :-D
20:48 tcohen hi bag
20:50 bag heya tcohen
20:50 bag @roulette
20:50 huginn *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:50 * huginn reloads and spins the chambers.
20:50 bag ha
20:52 cait bad day at the office?
20:52 pianohacker poor huginn, no ops :)
20:52 nitz0 cait: I did a packet install in my computer. Then I import a DB dump from a 3.08v and run all commands lines to set up the 3.18v. I was asking my self if there is a way, now, not to do the same process. If there is a way to just upgrade from 3.18v to 3.20v.
20:52 cdickinson you unlucky europeans, still working this week
20:52 cait cdickinson: nope we are done
20:52 bag nah but cait - I am crazy hungry - which makes me grumpy
20:52 cait it's 22:52 here :)
20:53 cait nitz0: you just install th enew package i think :)
20:53 cdickinson 08:52 Saturday here
20:53 cait doing a backup first
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20:53 cait cdickinson: we have way more of the weekend left ;)
20:53 cait so i think the answer is yes
20:53 cait tcohen: you stop me if i say nonsense, right? :)
20:54 tcohen cait?
20:55 tcohen hmpf
20:55 cait ohoh
20:56 cait tcohen: about nitz0 question - updating with packages
20:56 tcohen ah, right
20:56 tcohen nitz0: change from oldstable to stable
20:56 wahanui tcohen: that doesn't look right
20:57 tcohen in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
20:57 tcohen sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
20:57 tcohen and it will autoagically run koha-upgrade-schema for your instances
20:58 tcohen *automagically*
20:58 cait updating is cool :)
20:58 nitz0 ok, let's magically try
20:59 tcohen nitz0: one caveat (we are going to have fixed soon ;-)) but not yet
20:59 tcohen if you have non-populated instances
20:59 tcohen (like if you created an instance but never loaded a db or run the webinstaller
21:02 nitz0 Ok, no problem, I don't undertand what that means. What that limitation is. No problem. I will learn it day by day.
21:03 cait it only applies if you have created more than one instance
21:04 cait like a second library running form the same code, but haven't finished the installation
21:04 cait if you haven't done that... you probably won't have a poblem :)
21:04 nitz0 great
21:04 nitz0 I didn't
21:10 tcohen nitz0: then go for it!
21:11 tcohen apt-get upgrade for the win!
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21:26 nitz0 vie sep 11 18:26:03 ART 2015
21:43 nitz0 Is there a way to know koha version using, for example, koha-shell?
21:44 cait koha shows it on the about page
21:45 cait on file level... there should be with the version
21:45 cait but i am not sure where the file is in a package installation
21:49 nitz0 Well, it's ok. I was just playing with koha-* commands.
21:50 nitz0 Anyway, Version de Koha:
21:50 mtj nitz0: you can ask dpkg for a koha version
21:51 mtj $ dpkg -l koha-common
21:51 mtj ii  koha-common    3.20.02      all          integrated (physical) library man
21:52 mtj ..something like that? ^
21:52 bag heya mtj
21:54 nitz0 Deseado=Desconocido/Instal​ar/Eliminar/Purgar/Retener
21:54 nitz0 | Estado=No/Instalado/Config-files/D​esempaquetado/Medio-conf/Medio-ins​t/espera-disparo/pendiente-disparo
21:54 nitz0 |/ Err?=(ninguno)/Requiere-reinst (Estado,Err: mayúsc.=malo)
21:54 nitz0 ||/ Nombre                                    Versión                                             Arquitectura Descripción
21:54 nitz0 +++-=========================================-==​================================================​=-============-=================================​==============================================
21:54 nitz0 ii  koha-common                               3.20.03                                             all          integrated (physical) library management system
21:54 nitz0 Ju
21:55 nitz0 well, thats not so clean here
21:56 nitz0 ii  koha-common                               3.20.03                                             all          integrated (physical) library management system
21:56 nitz0 very easy, all up to date...
21:57 nitz0 thx mtj, cait, tcohen and pianohacker.
21:57 nitz0 see you next week.
21:57 nitz0 bye
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22:11 * mtj waves to bag, cait, tcohen
22:12 cait hi mtj :)
22:12 mtj i am just getting ready to head outside for a bushwalk
22:13 mtj so, will catch y'all later
22:14 mtj have a great weekend #koha
22:16 mtj ciao cait, bag ;0)
22:20 bag enjoy the bush

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