IRC log for #koha, 2015-08-04

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00:08 wizzyrea ty for the video editing thread, btw eythian
00:08 eythian np
00:12 wizzyrea bobb - about?
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02:09 wizzyrea teehee
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03:14 eythian[…]t-to-hijack-macs/ <-- if you're a poor soul with a mac
03:17 rangi oh thats a nasty one
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04:01 wizzyrea oh boy.
04:02 eythian that's what you would say.
04:04 * wizzyrea is not a poor soul with a mac
04:10 wizzyrea[…]pple-malware.html more good news for mac users
04:10 wizzyrea suggestion, don't turn it on, or plug it in to anything ever.
04:13 eythian happy blackhat week :)
04:13 wizzyrea ^.^
04:23 eythian elasticsearch indexing is getting really slow these days, as more stuff gets crammed in there. It really needs some optimisation. Anyone bored? :)
04:24 wizzyrea how slow is slow?
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04:26 eythian hard to say
04:26 eythian I just remember it being really speedy in the past.
04:26 eythian and now it's possibly slower than a zebra reindex
04:26 wizzyrea ew
04:27 eythian (though, I'm not sure.)
04:27 eythian I know there are places it can be optimised though.
04:27 eythian I just haven't done that.
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04:46 New_User hello everyone
04:46 New_User My name is Robert
04:46 New_User I need some help
04:47 New_User I got a new pc...
04:47 New_User I want to install Koha
04:47 New_User I dont know how to do it
04:48 New_User steps are not clearly to me
04:49 wizzyrea what are you planning to use  your Koha for?
04:51 New_User to migrate some records
04:51 New_User and to put them online
04:51 New_User but i want to make a clean installation
04:52 rangi
04:52 rangi there is no easier way than that
04:52 New_User ok
04:53 New_User so... i can install it using ubuntu?
04:53 New_User or should I use debian?
04:54 * rangi has to go catch a bus, but that guide will work for ubuntu or debian, as long as you are installing on trusty or later
04:54 New_User Ok
04:54 New_User and what do you recommend?
04:54 New_User ubuntu or debian?
04:55 New_User supose that I got a lot of user
04:55 New_User users*
04:59 New_User and should I get ubuntu desktop? or ubuntu server?
05:09 New_User Anyone?
05:09 wahanui Anyone is free to organize one at any time :-)
05:09 New_User Someone?
05:09 wahanui Someone is missing
05:09 New_User is this a joke?
05:09 New_User im serious!!!
05:09 eythian it's just a bot
05:11 New_User so... can you answer my question?
05:11 liw use the one you're more familiar with
05:11 New_User ok
05:11 eythian both ubuntu and debian are fine, if you're building a server, go with the server version, otherwise the decisions are based on whatever you're the most familiar with
05:11 New_User ty
05:12 New_User there are some things I dont understand
05:12 New_User but I guess that I need to see how it goes
05:12 New_User ty for aswer me
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06:30 Joubu Hello #koha
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07:02 alex_a bonjour
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07:17 cait morning #oha
07:17 cait #koha
07:21 cait wb Joubu
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07:25 gaetan_B hello
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07:40 cait morning gaetan_B
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08:07 cait hi all, anyone any experience with performance issues with cataloguing log turned on?
08:08 cait it's showing a warning message, but i amnot sure if it still applies:   Don'log/Log  any changes to bibliographic or item records. Since  this occurs whenever a book is checked in or out as well, it is not  advisable to turn this on.
08:14 Joubu cait: it looks safe looking at the code. There is only 1 call to GetMarcBib in ModBiblio, should not be heavy
08:19 cait Joubu: thx!
08:19 cait Joubu++
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08:47 nlegrand bonjour #koha
08:48 nlegrand Joubu++
08:48 cait morning khall :)
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10:21 drojf hi #koha
10:22 drojf anyone else having ssl problems with the irc server? i was unable to connect earlier
10:23 cdickinson been working fine here, though I always have to ignore the errors for self-signed certs...
10:28 drojf wahanui++
10:29 cdickinson huh, so that Koha on Debian guide was finally made official
10:33 drojf cdickinson: what do you mean by 'made official'?
10:34 cdickinson drojf: well, it was just a draft for a long time
10:34 cdickinson maybe I didn't notice when the old guide was changed out
10:34 drojf isn't a wiki page a draft forever really? :)
10:34 cdickinson lol
10:34 cdickinson yeah, but at some point it has to be called 'good enough' :P
10:36 drojf i have been sending people there for years. i think it has been the best guide for a while now. but it looks like it got some cleaning
11:13 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:13 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 33.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
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11:33 khall mornin cait et al!
11:35 nengard morning
11:36 cait morning khall, nengard
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11:36 kivilahtio hi there!
11:37 kivilahtio What is the correct term to use for bookseller/bookvendoer/vendoer/seller/supplier?
11:37 cait vendor
11:37 kivilahtio thanks
11:37 kivilahtio just setting up test context for serials :)
11:37 kivilahtio lots of dependencies
11:37 cait
11:37 cait after the recent discussions we started a new wiki page
11:38 kivilahtio thanks
11:38 kivilahtio i'll bookmark taht
11:38 kivilahtio cait: here is our Finnish-Koha-Finnish terminology
11:38 kivilahtio[…]B6_suomi-englanti
11:39 cait ah redmine :)
11:40 kivilahtio how about aqcontacs?
11:40 kivilahtio vendor contact?
11:40 cait hm native pseakers?
11:40 cait aqcontacts is the table that stores the multiple contacts for a vendor
11:40 kivilahtio yes
11:40 cait vendor contact / contacts would amke sense to me
11:40 kivilahtio ok
11:41 kivilahtio one test factory coming up :)
11:41 cait nengard: khall?
11:41 wahanui i think khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
11:41 kivilahtio I think this makes much sense without summoning everybody to debate it
11:41 nengard huh?
11:41 cait not looking for a debate, just trying to slip out :)
11:41 cait thought you had more
11:42 nengard oh - i see
11:42 nengard Vendor
11:42 nengard is the term we use here in the US
11:50 drojf @wunder thessaloniki
11:50 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 33.0°C (2:20 PM EEST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
11:51 kivilahtio thx
11:52 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:52 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 24.9°C (1:52 PM CEST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:52 cait we are lucky here today
11:54 drojf woah that's ice cold :D
11:54 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:54 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 33.0°C (1:50 PM CEST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
12:13 kivilahtio cait: nengard: If I need to create a Koha::Object subclass for koha.aqcontacts-table, should I name it Koha::VendorContacs, or Koha::Acqui::VendorContacts?
12:14 nengard hmm - that's more of a khall question than a question for me
12:14 kivilahtio or Koha::Accontacs :)
12:14 kivilahtio khall: :)
12:14 kivilahtio well if we are to use proper terms then I guess we need to use them in the backend as well
12:15 kivilahtio which adds to the maximum confusion of Koha internals nicely
12:15 kivilahtio I know I wont run out of creativity renaming things :)
12:15 khall kivilahtio: that's really a personal choice. I'd go with Koha::Acquisitions::VendorContact(s) myself
12:15 kivilahtio khall: yes!
12:15 kivilahtio khall: what a great opinion :D
12:15 khall kivilahtio: you could consult with Joubu on that
12:15 khall thanks!
12:15 kivilahtio khall: I have consulted enough
12:15 khall lol
12:15 kivilahtio my patience is limited
12:15 kivilahtio must code
12:16 khall then go forth and code!
12:16 kivilahtio yes sir!
12:16 kivilahtio khall: btw I read about bywater looking for funding to get into the auth rewrite?
12:16 kivilahtio I understood that you must get the REST API and ES done by the end of year to get the money
12:17 kivilahtio I havent replied to that yet, but we are still testing the big rewrites ourselves and are gently easing those thing into production now
12:17 khall kivilahtio: I'm not privy to those details, but I think your work on auth is a great start
12:17 khall excellent!
12:17 kivilahtio khall: fixing bugs as they come and keeping the bugzilla code fresh
12:18 khall fantasic! I know we'll be taking a look to try to sign off on your patches
12:18 khall not sure when, but it's on the todo list
12:18 kivilahtio khall: looking forward to it
12:18 kivilahtio khall: I just started working on the serials impriovements and that includes a lot of testing scaffolding for serials
12:18 khall fantastic!
12:19 kivilahtio we are following the TestObjectFactories and PageObject patterns
12:19 kivilahtio it is qome owrk to get the test frameworks updated to match all dependencies
12:19 kivilahtio khall: but just asking if you have any idea what I talk about when I say use TestObjectFactories?
12:20 kivilahtio there is a bug about that hint hint :)
12:20 khall yes, we'll be looking at all that ; )
12:20 kivilahtio just asking for a heads up
12:20 khall can do!
12:21 kivilahtio khall: what do you think of the object factories vs a more dynamic approach, like Joubus testbuilder
12:21 kivilahtio I have been thinking of if there is a way of combining those two
12:21 kivilahtio There is a lot of code that needs to be written to create the test factories and it would help to have some testbuilder approach, but at the same time we must be able to utilize the C4:: constructors for objects
12:21 khall I have no strong opinion at the moment. If we *could* combine the two it would be good. We have no real standards for unit tests
12:22 kivilahtio testbuilder cannot be just a direct DB interface
12:22 kivilahtio it must utilize the business logic used to create objects
12:22 kivilahtio and that is very difficult since all object constructors are different
12:22 khall true
12:23 kivilahtio and depend on varying amounts of stuff
12:23 kivilahtio atleast the object factories provide a uniform interface for all actions
12:23 khall we do have some instropspection abilities
12:23 kivilahtio so we can refactor the internals to a better model
12:23 khall sounds like a good plan
12:23 kivilahtio how do you think introspection will help here?
12:24 kivilahtio we could create a configuration fole for each testobjectfacotry subclass and there define constructor, destructor, updater
12:24 kivilahtio this would eliminate a lot of duplicate code
12:24 kivilahtio but then we need custom code to deal with exceptions
12:25 kivilahtio this is hard :)
12:25 kivilahtio well mu brain cannot deal with all of this at once
12:25 kivilahtio so ill just keep doing what i do for now
12:25 kivilahtio thanks for the chat!
12:28 kivilahtio hmm, somebody already implemented Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller, without thought of improving the used terminology
12:28 kivilahtio well maybe that is for the best
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12:30 tcohen morning
12:30 tcohen wb Joubu
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12:38 tcohen kivilahtio: hypnotoad? really?
12:38 tcohen as a dependency for the REST API?
12:38 kivilahtio tcohen: Is it?
12:39 kivilahtio tcohen: if you are talking about  Bug 13799 - 1.1 RESTful API with reverse proxy configuration without
12:40 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
12:40 kivilahtio this is an alternative
12:40 tcohen are you upstreaming your infrastructure's setup?
12:40 kivilahtio tcohen: we don't use plack so I cannot help you in deploying Koha REST API with it
12:41 kivilahtio tcohen: we reverse proxy to Mojolicious-capable server
12:41 tcohen i'm not saying i don't like it, just wondering how can avoid people flying away of this dev
12:41 kivilahtio hypnotoad seems to be the recommended reverse proxy produyction choice for Mojo
12:41 kivilahtio tcohen: somebody could make scripts how it works with Plack :)
12:41 tcohen hmpf
12:41 kivilahtio hypnotoad also comes with Mojolicious so you don't need to install anything new
12:42 kivilahtio afaik REST API is supposed to be ran with plack?
12:42 kivilahtio which is know nothing of
12:42 kivilahtio tcohen: also we cannot just simply pop up a new dns-rule for us, we need to beg for it, so it is much more convenient to reverse proxy
12:42 tcohen it is supposed to run with plack. yes
12:43 tcohen something like opac.fqdn/api and staff.fqdn/api
12:43 kivilahtio so I made a reverse proxy config, also I don't understand anything about the original confiuration Julian made :)
12:43 tcohen reverse-proxying it
12:44 kivilahtio tcohen: yes we have those endpoints
12:44 kivilahtio tcohen: that is how it is reverse proxied, but currently in proxies staff.fqdn/v1
12:45 kivilahtio tcohen: If you have better alternatives for hypnotoad please let me know
12:46 kivilahtio but like I said it comes preinstalled with Mojolicious, there is no running away, it also supports hot code refresh
12:46 kivilahtio which is much cool
12:46 kivilahtio hypnotoad is pretty cool :)
12:46 kivilahtio even the name is :)
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12:47 kivilahtio a bit like plack, or starman
12:47 kivilahtio but currently hypnotoad get s the rest api rolling.
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12:55 Joubu kivilahtio: have you seen bug 13726?
12:55 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13726 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller should use Koha::Object
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12:56 kivilahtio Joubu: thanks! Great job
12:56 Joubu kivilahtio: it needs SO for a while
12:57 Joubu kivilahtio: I have created a Koha::Acq::Bookseller::Contacts class
12:57 kivilahtio Joubu: I am looking at your commit
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12:58 Joubu kivilahtio: but it depends on bug 13323...
12:58 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13323 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Change the tax rate on receiving
12:58 kivilahtio Joubu: depends on a lot of things
12:58 Joubu kivilahtio: all others have been pushed
12:58 kivilahtio Joubu: 13719 looks hairy
12:58 kivilahtio and scary
12:59 cait bug 13719
12:59 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Make Koha::Objects store list of resultant objects on an as needed basis
12:59 kivilahtio shouldnt that be dealt with using DBIx prefetch or caching or something?
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13:01 kivilahtio Joubu: it would be nice if thise Koha::Objects would be in their own separate commits
13:01 kivilahtio I could just pick them and sign off that
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13:05 Joubu kivilahtio: I did it after the VAT rewrite
13:05 kivilahtio Joubu: but?
13:05 wahanui but is it right? -a -b -x should abort because -a and -x are not mixable?
13:05 Joubu and I did not want to rebase the tax rewrite on top of anything
13:07 kivilahtio ok
13:07 kivilahtio thanks
13:08 Joubu please don't duplicate effort :)
13:09 kivilahtio Joubu: I am trying
13:10 kivilahtio Joubu: The problem is that after developing against Master i need to backport my test things to 3.16
13:10 kivilahtio Joubu: your bug introduces a lot of new changes and I cannot use that as a dependency when backporting to 3.16
13:10 kivilahtio Joubu: I am thinking how I can make these as compatible as possible
13:10 kivilahtio and possibly reuse your Koha::Objects
13:11 Joubu it won't backportable to 3.16
13:12 kivilahtio Joubu: we are planning to upgrade but I don't know into which Koha version
13:12 tcohen new classes can be backported
13:13 kivilahtio tcohen: yes
13:13 kivilahtio tcohen: Koha::Object runs nicely on 3.16 as well
13:13 kivilahtio tcohen: do you have any heads up when 3.22 is coming out?
13:14 tcohen end of november
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13:14 kivilahtio cool
13:14 Joubu tcohen: yes, you are right
13:14 tcohen hi!
13:14 kivilahtio hi!
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13:16 kivilahtio Joubu: I would presume that the term bookseller is here to saty?
13:16 kivilahtio and not refactoring to endor in the business layer?
13:16 kivilahtio *Vendor
13:17 kivilahtio Joubu: *I would presume that the term bookseller is here to stay?
13:17 Joubu really I don't know what to answer you
13:17 kivilahtio Joubu: :) I just had this discussion should Bookseller be renamed to Vendor, as it is in the front end
13:17 Joubu given that everything I develop take ages to be integrated, I try to introduce as few changes as possible
13:17 kivilahtio so we could have only one term to describe this one thing
13:17 Joubu so to avoid trolls, etc. I  kept Bookseller
13:17 kivilahtio I understand :)
13:17 Joubu (as I kept VirtualShelves)
13:18 tcohen hey, I would troll Virtualshleves :-P
13:18 kivilahtio yesh it sounds like something from the future
13:18 Joubu go on
13:19 * Joubu is closing his eyes
13:19 kivilahtio but the imprtant thing here is that Joubu didn't invent the thing
13:19 kivilahtio or did he?
13:19 kivilahtio that sounds like it has been here for ages
13:19 kivilahtio way before Joubu was born
13:19 kivilahtio so we can hardly blme him for it
13:34 Kchris Hi. I am looking to try to help out with Koha development, possibly by starting with signing off on patches. So far, I have set up Kohadevbox and have been reading up on the Koha wiki about development with Git. I don't have any test data yet installed on the server, and am not clear how to do this. Any general advice?
13:42 kivilahtio Kchris: tough one
13:42 kivilahtio Kchris: to sign off patches all you need is the default Koha database you get when you install Koha
13:42 tcohen Kchris: if you have successfully run kohadevbox
13:42 tcohen then you have all the needed data in place
13:42 kivilahtio Kchris: this is the default configuration and all tests and features are developed against it
13:43 kivilahtio Kchris: if you want to do more extensive testing, then you need some extensive data. We have a lot of data for Koha 3.16 :) but that is too stale to help you now.
13:43 cait hm there is a small marc21 database i think for testing with sandboxes -but i'd recommend starting with the sample data and build it up yourself a bit
13:44 cait hi tcohen :)
13:44 kivilahtio Kchris: I recommend using Z39.50/SRU searches to get example biblios from Library of Congress
13:44 Kchris I haven't loaded any data. I noticed a link to a test data set on the wiki.
13:44 tcohen hi cait
13:44 kivilahtio Kchris: this way you can easily set up manual test contexts
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13:45 kivilahtio Kchris: but this says nothing about real world performance issues for ex.
13:45 kivilahtio Kchris: but I think you make 99% of everybody happy by just having the default database
13:45 kivilahtio Kchris: Everybody is really happy to hear that someone is eager to start signing off patches
13:46 kivilahtio Kchris: also by building the manual test contexts using Koha you learn a lot about how it works
13:50 Kchris kivilahtio: thanks for the idea about using z39.50/SRU. I noticed there is a link to test data here:[…]hment.cgi?id=6653
13:50 kivilahtio Kchris: make a lot of DB dumps to back up your test contexts
13:50 kivilahtio Kchris: redoing them again and again get really borings quickly
13:51 Kchris Kivilahtio: Is that the sample data you were referring to?
13:52 kivilahtio Kchris: no, I was refering to you craeting new Records and Items and Subscriptions and Orders when testing for stuff.
13:52 kivilahtio If you make manua lwork backup it, so you can more easily replay your tests
13:52 kivilahtio just a hint
13:52 kivilahtio I am sure you already knew that :)
13:52 kivilahtio it is very easy with the default DB since it is so small
13:53 Kchris kivilahtio: I am new to this. So this is all good advice.
13:55 cait Kchris: also whenever you have questions - just jump in here
13:56 cait :)
14:00 Kchris tcohen: you mentioned that if I have successfully run kohadevbox, I will have all the needed data. I can run kohadevbox, but I don't see that it is populated with any marc records. Perhaps I haven't completed the setup?
14:01 tcohen ah, you are right, I missread, it doesnt' have any records
14:01 tcohen there are soem on the wiki
14:01 tcohen marc records?
14:01 tcohen sample records?
14:02 Kchris Yes, I was thinking of sample marc records. But I guess I can just load those throug z39.50.
14:02 tcohen[…]_sample_MARC_data
14:04 kivilahtio tcohen: I cant believe aqcontacts and aqbookseller don't have the name as a UNIQUE column
14:05 kivilahtio we can have exactly same named vendor multiple times in the GUI and who knows which one to pick?
14:05 kivilahtio I wonder if I can fix that
14:05 kivilahtio it it is acceptable
14:10 tcohen kivilahtio: we should probably show more information to be able to choose the right own
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14:10 kivilahtio tcohen: or name them smartly :)
14:11 tcohen wahanui: sample records is[…]_sample_MARC_data
14:11 wahanui OK, tcohen.
14:11 kivilahtio but you do have a point
14:11 tcohen sample records?
14:11 wahanui sample records is[…]_sample_MARC_data
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14:17 drojf how bad will analytics work with links by title instead of control number?
14:18 cait it depends on your data
14:18 cait the new library we doesn't work very well
14:18 cait long.. complicated... strange punctuation...
14:18 cait if the title and the string match exactly, it will work perfectly
14:19 cait given you don't have stuff that zebra doesn't like anyway
14:19 drojf and if you have lots of (unrelated) stuff with the same title it won't work either i guess
14:20 drojf i don't remember if/ how i generated control numbers for my old library, have to look that up
14:20 cait yeah... it does a phrase search... although without icu ext would be even more exact
14:23 drojf cait: don't you use ppn as control numbers in your libraries? would that not work for analytics?
14:26 cait yep
14:27 cait it works - but we sometimes get old data where the link are missing the $w
14:27 cait so assigning a 001 alone is only half the fix :)
14:27 drojf true
14:28 jcamins drojf: badly. But it's doable.
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14:36 drojf there may be unique call numbers i could controlnumberify. everything beyond that is probably not possible on the available budget
14:39 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:39 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 35.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
14:39 drojf meh
14:43 Kchris @wunder burlington, vermont
14:43 huginn` Kchris: The current temperature in APRSWXNET, Winooski, Vermont is 21.7°C (10:10 AM EDT on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
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15:36 Joubu See you tomorrow!
15:49 gaetan_B bye
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16:33 tcohen @later tell mtompset I cc-ed you on a bug. It is a message :-D
16:33 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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16:48 cait ping pianohacker
16:49 pianohacker hi cait
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18:17 tcohen mk_ro_accessors?
18:26 tcohen cait: can't read
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18:42 cait argh
18:42 cait sec
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19:53 Shane-S Q: I added a new record and (about a week later) I can't find it searching in the admin side... any clue what might be stopped? Zebra? Koha Version:.20.02.000
19:55 Shane-S If it helps, I upgraded from 3.12 to the 3.20
20:04 pianohacker Shane-S: is your zebra daemon running, and do you have the indexing cronjob running?
20:05 Shane-S not sure how to check either...would the daemon show with top?
20:05 pianohacker yup
20:05 pianohacker though I'd recommand ps aux | grep zebra as a faster method
20:06 Shane-S rebuild_zebra.p pop to up once in top
20:06 pianohacker what about zebrasrv?
20:06 Shane-S can I grep top? I don't see it when I watch it
20:07 Shane-S not seeing zberasrv at all watching top
20:07 pianohacker Shane-S: run the following:
20:07 pianohacker ps aux | grep zebra
20:09 pastebot "Shane-S" at pasted "ps aux" (5 lines) at
20:12 pianohacker Shane-S: it does look like you have two different koha sites; positive you're using the right one?
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20:14 Shane-S well both are having issues, I entered data in both and can't find the new records/items in the admin "search the catalog"
20:15 Shane-S since it is across both, but we go no errors entering records/items, I assume it is Zebra for the search.
20:15 Shane-S I guess I could launch mysql and check myself.
20:15 pianohacker Shane-S: one quick way to check is to manually reindex zebra
20:15 pianohacker how many bib records do you have?
20:15 Shane-S mine...5K+ the woodburyhts one problem <1K
20:16 Shane-S probably
20:16 wahanui probably is probably not, but i do not know another way
20:16 pianohacker ignore wahanui, it's a chatbot :)
20:16 pianohacker okay, excellent
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20:17 pianohacker Shane-S: Run sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -a -b -f -v woodburyhts koha
20:17 pianohacker the switches mean authorities, biblios, full reindex and verbose in that order
20:18 Shane-S pianohacker: okay thank,s doing it now
20:19 Shane-S got this...and sitting at a still cursor...16:17:48-04/08 zebraidx(19638) [warn] Couldn't open collection.abs [No such file or directory]
20:19 pianohacker that's... quirky
20:20 Shane-S yeah 3.12-> 3.20 required many ubuntu package updates..but everything looked fine initially
20:20 cait hmmmm
20:20 cait i think i have an idea
20:20 cait dom
20:20 pianohacker ohhhhhhhhhh
20:20 pianohacker we have a wiki page for that, right?
20:20 cait Shane-S: could you go in your koha and on the about page check the system infrmation tab for a warning?
20:21 pastebot "Shane-S" at pasted "Warning The <zebra_bib_index_m" (5 lines) at
20:22 Shane-S see I am in depreciated setup
20:22 Shane-S seems*
20:22 cait yep
20:22 pianohacker cait++ # good idea
20:23 cait it reads a bit confusing, but we will figure it out :)
20:23 Shane-S will you all be one tomorrow?
20:23 Shane-S maintaince is kicking me out :(
20:23 cait oh we will be here
20:23 cait just keep in mind you want to know how to switch your koha from grs1 to dom
20:23 Shane-S okay, thanks!
20:24 Shane-S yeah, once I read that log made more sense
20:24 cait and this might be helpful[…]g_to_dom_indexing
20:24 Shane-S Thank you very much pianohacker and cait
20:24 pianohacker absolutely
20:25 Shane-S awesome left it in an open tab and bookmarked
20:25 Shane-S I will give it a go and stop back in if I can't get it working solo
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20:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
20:47 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 23.0°C (10:20 PM CEST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
20:47 drojf where is the promised thunderstorm? and i'm sure it is way warmer than 23
20:48 Francesca I hate thunderstorms
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20:48 * Francesca waves at wizzyrea
20:49 drojf Francesca: i love them, and even more after a day with 35°C
20:49 Francesca wow
20:49 drojf would really help to cool my flat down. which would help with sleeping before 3am
20:50 Francesca thats a pretty extreme temperature
20:50 drojf they announced up to 38
20:50 pianohacker ow...
20:50 pianohacker portable air conditioner/swampcooler?
20:51 Francesca so hot!
20:51 pianohacker loud but does the trick
20:51 Francesca I have a fan pen
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20:52 pianohacker dbix class question; does the join => parameter to search take the table or resultset name?
20:53 drojf it's the most summery summer in a while i think ;)
20:55 cait agrees
20:56 Francesca @wunder wlg
20:56 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on August 05, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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20:57 Francesca @wunder wlg
20:57 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on August 05, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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21:50 tcohen hi
21:50 wahanui hey, tcohen
21:51 Francesca hello
21:59 tcohen hi Francesca
21:59 tcohen is anyone around using kohadevbox
21:59 tcohen ?
22:02 rangi right now?
22:02 wahanui somebody said right now was testing just somebody seeing if it works?
22:02 rangi or just in general?
22:03 wizzyrea_ tcohen: what's the question?
22:03 wahanui the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
22:03 wizzyrea_ 42
22:03 tcohen i've been struggling with my kohadevbox recently
22:03 tcohen not sure how the f* but i cannot warn on the terminal
22:03 rangi i use it most days at home, and aleisha uses it
22:03 rangi weird, i haven't run into that at all
22:04 wizzyrea_ I use it most of the time at home
22:04 tcohen it works flawlessly on my ubuntu bow
22:04 tcohen box
22:04 tcohen can u try a small thing rangi?
22:04 tcohen warn something inside Koha::RecordProcessor::new()
22:04 tcohen and run prove t/RecordProcessor.t
22:04 rangi i can when i get home tonight
22:04 tcohen inside your vagrant box
22:05 rangi its on my laptop, not on my work computer
22:05 tcohen do
22:05 tcohen I do
22:05 tcohen vagrant ssh > koha-shell kohadev > cd kohaclone
22:05 tcohen and then run it
22:05 tcohen it is certaintly weird
22:06 tcohen thanks
22:06 wizzyrea_ wfm
22:06 tcohen wizzyrea: do you have your kohadevbox easily accesible?
22:06 wizzyrea_ yea, it works for me
22:07 cait social bookmarking- is thisstill a thing?
22:08 wizzyrea_ oh, it doesn't work inside koha-shell
22:08 wizzyrea_ you're not crazy.
22:08 tcohen ahhhhhhhh
22:08 * tcohen knew he wasn't *that* crazy
22:08 rangi it even warns you :)
22:09 tcohen really?
22:09 rangi bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
22:09 rangi bash: no job control in this shell
22:09 rangi those are symptoms of the same thing, it's a koha-shell thing
22:10 tcohen thanks
22:10 tcohen i guess i've been a bit lazy today
22:11 rangi its just running /bin/su with a bunch of options .. i suspect we need to change something so it fixes that
22:12 rangi cos  sudo /bin/su test-koha  is happy
22:12 pianohacker rangi: yeah, we should switch to sudo if possible, it looks like this is a security WONTFIX for su:[…]rt.cgi?bug=628843 (barton told me about this)
22:13 rangi well sudo adn su do totally different things
22:13 pianohacker indeed
22:14 tcohen sudo -u kohadev-koha -s
22:14 tcohen should work
22:14 rangi '/bin/su' '--command' 'env KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/test/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /bin/bash' 'test-koha'
22:14 rangi is what it is running
22:14 pianohacker we'd have to do some automatic sudoers setup, but that should be possible in theory with /etc/sudoers.d, no? The only barrier is that I'm not sure how long debian has had sudoers.d
22:16 wizzyrea_ additionally it would be nice to be able to feed it the perl5lib to use.
22:16 rangi well thats a whole other thing, i dont think using it using su is any more or less secure, its only a problem if debian decides to remove su from its machines
22:16 wizzyrea_ suppose you can use --preserve-environment
22:16 rangi yep
22:17 pianohacker according to , section "The include directive", this should work in wheezy
22:17 wizzyrea_ which I am ashamed I didn't know about until this very moment.
22:17 rangi dude, you're scope creeping
22:17 pianohacker yeah I know
22:17 rangi the error just comes from the empty --command
22:17 tcohen rangi, wizzyrea, pianohacker: that made my day, thanks. It must be the flu
22:18 tcohen see u guys, have to leave
22:18 rangi actually no, it comes from the /bin/bash bit ;)
22:18 pianohacker bye tcohen :)
22:18 wizzyrea_ later tcohen
22:18 rangi doh too slow
22:19 pianohacker rangi: okay, so without no scope creepin', couldn't we do *breathes in* env -i KOHA_CONF=... PERL5LIB=... su - test-koha *breathes out* ?
22:19 pianohacker sorry
22:19 pianohacker env -i KOHA_CONF=... PERL5LIB=... su -p - test-koha
22:20 rangi we could
22:20 rangi but the actual problem is just the /bin/bash
22:21 rangi if we leave that out
22:22 pianohacker if we leave that out, we're just running env, no?
22:22 rangi koha-shell is happier (well its 90% happy anyway)
22:22 rangi true, yeah reordering would work
22:23 rangi i usually run -s zsh
22:23 rangi cos thats my prefered shell, so i dont bump into this
22:24 rangi sudo koha-shell test -s zsh
22:24 rangi test-koha@rorohiko /home/chrisc/git/catalyst-koha
22:24 rangi unfortunately you can't see the pretty colours ;)
22:26 pianohacker wait, hold on, does -s bash work?
22:26 pianohacker (and yes, I bet they're beautiful ;
22:26 pianohacker ;)
22:28 rangi nope
22:28 pianohacker how does zsh cope, then?
22:28 rangi sudo koha-shell test -s bash
22:28 rangi bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
22:28 rangi bash: no job control in this shell
22:29 rangi i mean i still get a shell
22:29 rangi and can do everything
22:29 rangi it just does a couple of weird things
22:29 rangi zsh doesnt care about the tty
22:29 rangi in the same way sh and bash do
22:29 rangi sudo koha-shell test -s sh
22:29 rangi sh: 0: can't access tty; job control turned off
22:30 pianohacker ah, looks like zsh has the same issue, it just doesn't complain about it :)
22:30 rangi the warns seem to be happy
22:30 wizzyrea_ mtj was asking about this ages ago
22:30 rangi i mean i can see warns on the command line
22:31 pianohacker sleep 10<Enter><Ctrl-Z> backgrounds zsh, not sleep
22:31 pianohacker at least on my system :)
22:34 wizzyrea_ I think the warns are unrelated to the shell
22:34 wizzyrea_ to the messages, anyway
22:34 wizzyrea_ because I think what's happening is that the perl5lib isn't set right in koha-shell, you have to set it each time for a git install
22:34 wizzyrea_ it uses the one from the packages.
22:35 rangi ahh yeah, that makes sense
22:35 wizzyrea_ evidence, I put in a warn in git, started koha-shell, ran the test, no warn.
22:35 wizzyrea_ changed the perl5lib to the git install, ran the test, warns galore.
22:35 pianohacker ... why would perl5lib affect warns?
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22:36 wizzyrea_ because it's doing a use Koha::something and it's asking for the one in usr/share/koha
22:36 wizzyrea_ based on the perl5lib
22:36 pianohacker ah okay
22:37 rangi yeah that makes sense
22:37 wizzyrea_ because devbox uses a gitified package install, rather than a dev install
22:37 rangi id still like to fix this shell issue, but yeah i think its not causing tcohens problem
22:37 wizzyrea_ yeah, fixing the messages would be nice
22:38 eythian hi
22:38 wizzyrea_ hi eythian
22:39 wizzyrea_ it would be really nice if on gitify, we could symlink the package tools to the one in the git install
22:39 pianohacker yes! definitely
22:40 pianohacker wait, though, which git install?
22:40 eythian wizzyrea_: that wouldn't work
22:40 rangi yeah you could have a bunch
22:40 wizzyrea_ right, but in devbox you probably wouldn't
22:40 wizzyrea_ which is really the only context I'm thinking in at this exact moment.
22:41 pianohacker true, but it would be nice to have a cleaner solution that worked for multiple gitfies :)
22:41 eythian the "best" way is to have everything in a library, and the appropriate function is called, and the script is only a very thing wrapper around that.
22:41 wizzyrea_ omg I cannot deal with this shocking laptop. So frustrating. It shocks me when it's plugged in.
22:42 wizzyrea_ all good when it's on the battery.
22:42 wizzyrea_ sorry that was a non-sequitur.
22:42 eythian that's bad
22:42 cait it sounds like your laptop is a torture device
22:43 wizzyrea_ it basically is
22:43 wizzyrea_ I'd have to take it all apart to fix it.
22:44 cdickinson sounds like a grounding problem
22:44 eythian yeah
22:44 wizzyrea_ it is, the plug isn't grounded, and I'm the ground.
22:45 wizzyrea_ it's a known thing with this particular asus laptop.
22:46 cdickinson the plug isn't grounded? any laptop made within the past forever should be grounded
22:46 wizzyrea_ nope, it's a two prong.
22:46 cdickinson does it have a three-prong connector at the power supply end?
22:47 wizzyrea_ nope
22:47 cdickinson Wow
22:48 wizzyrea_ yeah it's silly
22:48 wizzyrea_[…]ter/dp/B008U0310S like this but with nz/au power prongs.
22:48 cdickinson downright dangerous
22:49 wizzyrea_ I don't actually see an alternative one, either
22:49 wizzyrea_ like, I can't *get* a grounded version
22:50 wizzyrea_ i totally would!
22:51 wizzyrea_ oh oh I found one with 3 prongs! I swear I didn't see this several months ago when I was looking
22:52 cdickinson that's a relief
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22:53 wizzyrea_ going back to what we were talking about before, alternative to having gitify modify the koha-* scripts to set the perl5lib correctly, I'd want to be able to specify on the command line which one to use, or have it get it from the koha-conf, or something. It's a problem that annoys me because using the package tools for things like reindexing and koha-shell is really nice for devs.
22:53 wizzyrea_ it's the primary reason for not doing a standard dev install.
22:54 wizzyrea_ kohadevbox
22:54 wahanui kohadevbox is at
22:58 pianohacker I was just about to tell cait to go to bed
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23:36 eythian hi dcook
23:36 dcook heya eythian
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23:52 wizzyrea_ hi dcook
23:58 dcook yo wizzyrea_ :)

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