IRC log for #koha, 2015-05-20

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01:08 mtompset YAY! I'm closer to getting a CAS server set up.
01:08 mtompset Anyone have experience with this?
01:36 geek_cl mtompset, any issue?
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01:45 mtompset Well, i seem to have the apache mod auth_cas redirecting for authentication, but there's nothing trying to authenticate.
01:46 mtompset No user name and password prompts.. just a complaint about cas/login not existing.
01:47 mtompset which makes sense, because there is no such directory as far as i know.
01:49 geek_cl mtompset, can you enable DEBUG for the apache and the process?
01:52 mtompset enable how again?
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01:52 mtompset And I don't think that is the problem.
01:53 geek_cl yeah, but logs can says to you something
01:54 mtompset I'm giving up until someone has a "follow these instructions" URL link that works gauranteed. :)
01:55 geek_cl[…]y+CAS+Walkthrough
02:23 eythian yay, PDF::FromHTML builds on wheezy!
02:36 mtompset Thanks, geek_cl. That may be helpful, when I get time to look at it further.
03:06 mtj hey #koha
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03:07 mtj geek_cl: thats a nice CAS link ^
03:07 geek_cl yeah  ;)
03:08 mtj ive been curious about CAS + Koha for ages
03:08 Cambodia_Librar hello
03:08 Cambodia_Librar can you help me
03:09 Cambodia_Librar ?
03:09 eythian ask?
03:09 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask.
03:10 mtj Cambodia_Librar: short answer is yes :)
03:10 mtj longer answer is... maybe? :p
03:11 mtj what is your question Cambodia_Librar?
03:13 eythian @later tell tcohen libpdf-fromhtml-perl is finally in the repo.
03:13 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
03:15 Cambodia_Librar how to create Shelving location
03:15 Cambodia_Librar ?
03:16 eythian if you add an authorised value with the code LOC, it is the shelving location.
03:17 Cambodia_Librar ok
03:19 mtj congrats on the  libpdf-fromhtml-perl build eythian
03:20 eythian hopefully it's accepted into debian proper so it mostly stops being my problem :)
03:20 eythian (it should be, it has had a fair bit of cleaning up.)
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04:10 mtj nice, its an interesting process huh  :)
04:14 eythian[…]tml-perl.git/log/ <-- quite a few patches needed.
04:19 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
04:22 mtj nice, i havent seen that alioth cgit before
04:24 mtj very impressive eythian :)
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04:47 eythian @later tell tcohen can you please add the patch from bug 14321 to 3.20.x
04:47 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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05:07 eythian @later tell tcohen I'd also really like to get bug 14106 fixed before 3.20 gets released. Which means I need to write it first.
05:07 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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06:30 reiveune hello
06:33 magnuse bonjour le #koha!
06:35 cait bbl #koha
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06:46 magnuse @wunder boo
06:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on May 20, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
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06:48 p_vdk Hi Koha
06:52 magnuse hiya p_vdk
06:52 p_vdk hey magnuse
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07:03 indradg good afternoon #koha
07:03 indradg @karma
07:03 huginn indradg: Highest karma: "cait" (226), "Joubu" (180), and "tcohen" (170).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-22), "-" (-13), and "^" (-12).  You (indradg) are ranked 39 out of 411.
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07:08 magnuse hiya Viktor indradg fridolin cait
07:08 indradg hi magnuse
07:08 indradg @wunder kolkata
07:08 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 33.0°C (12:20 PM IST on May 20, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
07:08 magnuse you win - again!
07:08 indradg heh
07:09 magnuse ooh, just above the comfort level for humidity?
07:09 Viktor Hi magnuse cait and all :)
07:09 indradg magnuse: wait for the winter, then you would be beating me hands down
07:09 magnuse btw, we did have 30C last summer :-)
07:09 indradg hi Viktor
07:09 indradg magnuse: the humidity is actually not so bad right now... bad is when it goes past mid 70s
07:10 * cait waves
07:10 indradg hi cait
07:12 magnuse indradg: noted :-)
07:12 magnuse oops, i lied. the warmest we had last year was 29.1C
07:13 Viktor We'll be working on some patches for making the news more of a "blog".
07:13 magnuse yay
07:13 Viktor But what about making the Opac more of a CMS?
07:13 Viktor I know indradg worked a bit on those things(?)
07:13 magnuse probably depends on what you mean by that :-)
07:14 Viktor I'd like to extend "Koha as CMS"-functionality to automatically create navigation.
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07:14 fridolin hie
07:14 indradg Viktor: I'm not sure whether to maintain the plugin or merge and extend it as a regular function on Koha
07:15 Viktor And also a better system than sysprefs for integrating HTML on the sidebars. Perhaps some widget system? Or at least integrating TinyMCE there as well(?)
07:15 magnuse yeah, i have been thinking about a new type of syspref for the html fields, that could use tinymce when you edit them
07:15 Viktor Indradg: I'd like to have that as a regular out of the box function. Libraries over here often use that kind of functionality.
07:16 magnuse should not be a ton of work, i think
07:16 indradg it is not
07:17 Viktor Then perhaps I should write an RFC to outline what we would want and then we discuss the whole picture at one?
07:17 indradg Viktor: go ahead
07:17 Viktor indradg :)
07:18 magnuse Viktor: that's the way to do it :-)
07:18 Viktor We have the resources to get it done I think but I feel it needs to be synced with the communtiy so we dont break anyones workflow.
07:18 indradg Viktor++
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07:19 Viktor I'll also make an RFC for version handling of records and granular permissions for what sources can edit what fields in records. That one feels a bit more like a potential can of worms :)
07:20 indradg I can spend some time on the CMS. but not unless there is some sort of agreement on what we want and that doing so won't break up existing workflow
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07:20 Viktor indradg++
07:22 Viktor Then a RCF sounds like a very good idea. I can allocate resources to this as well (and the first patches needed for showing author of news might show up today). But as you say we need to know people will not cry out in horror.
07:24 indradg :)
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07:54 AmitG heya indradg
07:55 indradg Hi AmitG
08:00 cait Viktor: I amnot so much in favor of sysprefs - because it's only one language if you are not using tricks
08:00 cait at least our current system preferences make things a little hard, it's easy to add a bit of javascript to get the effect
08:04 magnuse yeah, a more mature blog/cms thing should not store pages as sysprefs
08:04 magnuse create a new table for that
08:13 cait yeah
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08:26 mveron Hi #koha
08:27 mveron ...and good daytime to everybody :-)
08:28 indradg hiya mveron
08:29 mveron hiya indradg :-)
08:30 indradg Bug 14234
08:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14234 new feature, P5 - low, ---, indradg, NEW , Include the user manual with Koha package
08:31 indradg mveron, magnuse, Viktor, cait ^^^^ please do comment, this is partly linked to nengard's bug 11115
08:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11115 new feature, P5 - low, ---, indradg, NEW , Pull help files from the manual
08:34 Viktor indradg: From a user standpoint I would find that higly useful.
08:34 Viktor From a technical standpoint I don't see any problems. Which might mean I fail to see something important :)
08:34 indradg :)
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08:36 mveron I like the idea to have a local copy of the manual. The help could then have 2 links, one to the local copy and one to the online manual
08:42 xarragon mveron: Having a local copy also means that the user would also automatically be using the right version of the documentation, an important benefit.
08:42 xarragon mveron: Although that depends on how much difference there is between versions.
08:44 mveron xarragon: ...and the most recent copy could be distributed with the updates
08:44 magnuse sounds good to me (without giving it too much thought)
08:46 magnuse phew, paperwork for march and april done, now i just need to get it to the accountant
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09:12 drojf morning #koha
09:23 drojf is build-git-snapshot supposed to write into debian/changelog? i set the version to master+patchnumber, it did not like it (has to start with a number) and got stuck because it had the 'master+number' thing in debian/changelog and that made all following attempts to build a package (with correct number) fail, arguing 3.19~something was a smaller number than master~something
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10:15 * drojf quietly puts some chocolate on the #koha table, hides & observes
10:16 * ashimema num, num, num...
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10:16 * drojf makes a note in the kohadev spotting book
10:23 * cait1 munches
10:23 cait1 slides?
10:23 wahanui kf should be writing slides
10:25 indradg mveron: thanks for testing... i'm checking what is the issue with the second commit
10:26 cait1 forget slides
10:26 wahanui cait1: I forgot slides
10:26 cait1 slides is <reply> Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any!
10:26 cait1 slides?
10:26 wahanui Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any!
11:01 cait1 ashimema: i need an urgent sip test
11:02 cait1 bug 14151 - really bad for 3.18
11:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14151 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP2 Checkouts fail in Koha 3.18
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11:16 * magnus_out_and_about magnuse
11:17 magnuse pft
11:27 ashimema cait: I've stuck colinc on it
11:28 * ashimema really needs a new stall.. that's the third time today it's collapsed underneath him
11:34 magnuse stall?
11:35 xarragon Laptop stand?
11:35 ashimema seat
11:36 ashimema a tall bar stall type seat.. I have a standing desk and usually stand..
11:36 ashimema but a tall stall for occasional perching when the legs are tired ;)
11:36 xarragon I broke off the back rest on my office chair once, by mistake. That was fun!
11:37 xarragon While I was sitting in it. Apparently a manufacturing defect.
11:37 ashimema yikes.. that does sound fun
11:37 ashimema I imagine it has a simlar effect to my stall collapsing.. you ending up in a heap on the floor ;)
11:38 xarragon Could have ended badly, but my clumsiness is usually compensated by dumb luck. :-)
11:38 xarragon There was a sharp metal edge left efter the single flat bar snapped off, it was aiming for my butt and/or lower back, but missed.
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12:28 tcohen morning
12:29 tcohen eythian++
12:41 indradg I've a question - when would a bug report quality as "enhancement" and when as a "new feature"? - would adding a new functionality to a module an enhancement or a new feature?
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13:01 nengard morning all
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13:15 magnuse hiya nengard
13:16 nengard magnuse!!!! :)
13:16 nengard I miss you magnuse
13:16 magnuse awww...
13:17 magnuse 'twas really great meeting you again in marseille!
13:19 nengard :)
13:24 magnuse maybe again next year? :-)
13:24 * magnuse wanders off to collect kiddo from kindergarten
13:25 nengard yes i hope so
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13:53 edveal Has anyone set Firefox to store you Koha usr/pwd? I just noticed if you do then your usr/pwd auto populates the usr/pwd fields when you are adding a new patron.
13:53 edveal I am going to report this as a minor bug but thought I would see if anyone else has seen this first.
14:14 tcohen cait1: around?
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14:23 cait1 yep
14:25 tcohen marcelr++
14:25 tcohen thanks for chairing yesterday
14:25 tcohen ^^^ cait1
14:26 fridolin edveal: indeed, Firefox auto-pupulate fields depending on there name. The names in the authentification form have the same name in the new borrower form
14:26 fridolin its a "side effect" i would say
14:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11925: Check ages limits when creating/updating patrons <[…]aeadd579a627912c6> / Bug 14195: (followup) increment number of tests <[…]08ce41b0fad4d6132> / Bug 14195: TestBuilder - A random string should not be longer than the DB field <http://git.koha-comm
14:28 edveal fridolin yes, I agree but one that could cause users problems. So I reported it as a minor bug
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14:30 fridolin edveal: yes, good idea
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14:33 cait1 tcohen: np
14:33 tcohen 13650
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14:55 cait1 bug 13650
14:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13650 normal, P5 - low, ---, wsalesky, Passed QA , Parenthesis in subject links problematic for search
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15:14 willem7684 Hi there, I'm having trouble with Firefox being unable to open documents listed in field 856 (electronic doc links). IE did this perfectly with file:// etc. Firefox doesn't support that, but works fine if I just type the \\myserver\var\andsoandso in the address line. When I put this into field 856 however, koha adds http:// in front and it doesn't work any more. Is it possible to tell koha NOT to add http:// ? If this involves changing koha script I'll
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15:27 drojf willem7684: do you use '4' for the first indicator maybe?
15:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13650: Remove parens from links to fix searches <[…]2fd77844273a8cf7c> / Bug 14072: Followup: extra space <[…]bbf3415c75031b69e> / Bug 14072: Update German web installer for 3.20 <[…]iff;h=b23557d9d8e
15:27 willem7684 drojf: what do you mean? what is a first indicator?
15:28 reiveune bye
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15:30 drojf willem7684: in the MARC field. see
15:32 willem7684 drojf: OK I see what you mean. I'll have a look at this in the MARC info. Thanks already for this.
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15:35 tcohen Joubu: need your help
15:35 tcohen let me know if we can talk a sec
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15:38 drojf willem7684: actually, file:/// works fine for me in firefox
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15:57 willem7684 drojf: yes, i've now found that FF is fine with file:///\\myserver\and\so\on but koha converts all the backslashes \ to slashes/ and FF gets stuck. Any ideas?
15:58 drojf willem7684: don't use backslashes[…]cheme#Legacy_URLs
15:59 willem7684 drojf: the backslashes are for the local file system from which I try to open a doc in the browser. this works fine for IE
15:59 drojf firefox should be fine with file:///yourserver/path/file
16:00 drojf koha is based on standards. IE is based on… i have no idea what it is based on :D
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16:06 willem7684 drojf: FF works for me with file:///c:text.txt but not with file:///myserver/more over the network
16:08 drojf willem7684: i think it's file://server/path with two slashes, if its on another computer. and three slashes locally
16:11 drojf anyway i have never tried anything like this in koha. i'd make it available via http
16:13 willem7684 drojf: I've got it. 5 slashes in file://///myserver/etc indeed with all slashes. Many thanks. BTW this is about docs that should not be available for all on http. We only access these docs through our own network, but after a koha search, so that's why the koha links need to work. Thanks again!
16:15 drojf you can use http in a local network too :) 5 slashes looks funny, but as long as it works ;)
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16:20 willem7684 drofj: been too optimistic. The link file://///myserver/and/so works when entered directly into FF but not as koha link, although the link now correctly shows below the page when hovering over the link with the mouse...
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17:05 tcohen cait1: sent
17:07 cait1 tcohen: thx, whch address?
17:07 tcohen both
17:08 cait1 perfect htx
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18:32 tcohen Callenderul
18:32 tcohen ^^^^  that's what smuxi wrote when I typed 'hi paul<tab>'
18:32 tcohen hi paul_p
18:32 paul_p hi tomas
18:33 paul_p tcohen I mean ;-)
18:33 tcohen he
18:35 * paul_p a little bit tired... woke up at 4AM, a day in airports & plane. But I'm in joensuu now, Olli country & city! for the Koha seminar Finland
18:35 nengard fun
18:36 nengard the seminar - not the airplane and early morning
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18:44 tcohen nengard: is it Nicole C Engard? or should I remove the C? Or put a dot like in C.?
18:44 nengard It's C.
18:44 nengard :)
18:44 nengard at least it is on all my publications
18:45 tcohen not on the release notes :-/
18:45 tcohen or the about page
18:45 * tcohen will fix it
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18:48 indradg good evening #Koha
18:58 tcohen nengard:
18:59 nengard correct :)
18:59 nengard tcohen probably because my name on my email doesn't have it ...
18:59 paul_p tcohen = that's the expected release date for 3.20 ?
19:00 paul_p (talking about it in my keynote ;-) )
19:00 tcohen nengard: probably
19:00 tcohen paul_p: nope
19:00 tcohen that's today
19:00 paul_p s/that's/what's/ ...
19:00 tcohen i'm just playing with the script that generates them
19:00 paul_p you mean you plan to release 3.20 TODAY ?
19:00 tcohen no no
19:00 tcohen friday
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19:00 tcohen the scheduled date is May 22nd
19:00 paul_p OK, was more expecting that ;-)
19:01 tcohen we are giving translators the time to finish their work
19:01 tcohen otherwise we are ready :-D
19:01 tcohen eythian++
19:01 paul_p a very hard quesiton : 2 single beds in my hotel room, which one should I choose, left or right ? ;-)
19:01 nengard tcohen - oh bugger - the help files aren't done in time for release ... again :( sorry about that
19:02 nengard guess they'll bein 3.20.1
19:02 nengard too many updates in 3.18 and 3.20 to keep up with :) hehe
19:02 tcohen nengard: don't worry
19:02 nengard still have 10 things to add to the manual
19:02 tcohen i'll get my revenge
19:02 tcohen at some point :-P
19:02 nengard oh no!!!!
19:02 * nengard hides
19:02 tcohen heh
19:02 tcohen because i'm soooo scary
19:02 tcohen jajaja
19:02 nengard LOL
19:03 tcohen that's how we laugh in spanish, on chats
19:03 tcohen =D
19:03 nengard makes perfect sense :)
19:08 paul_p sweet dreams to european ppl, happy day to others ! & bye bye.
19:16 * tcohen noticed bywaterians have changed their email addresses recently
19:19 JesseM ?
19:20 tcohen nengard -> nicole, same for barton?
19:20 nengard no? I haven't - what do you see?
19:20 nengard I'm or  -- I think barton is only
19:20 JesseM we all have many aliases
19:21 tcohen and you use them all :-D they should be on the .mailmap file
19:21 tcohen i'm about to push some changes to it, please let me know about your aliases by email?
19:24 tcohen byw
19:24 tcohen bye
19:24 barton nengard's right, I'm just plain ol' barton, everywhere I go (at least as far as bywater is concerned).
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20:48 rangi morning
20:50 cait happy birthday rangi :)
20:50 rangi thanks
20:51 cdickinson it's your birthday today, rangi? awesome, happy birthday
20:52 drojf happy birthday rangi!
20:52 Dyrcona happy birthday rangi!
20:55 magnuse happy birthday rangi!
20:55 rangi thanks all
20:57 rangi hmm that latest email makes no sense to me, it sounds like he thinks the dump is doing an import?
20:58 drojf i did not get it either
20:59 drojf i think you are right
21:14 cait hm looking at a release notes 'preview' - wondering how many of the enh are actuallybug fixes
21:14 cait bug 11385
21:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Master , C4::SQLHelper should be removed
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21:22 cait bug 13570
21:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , koha-conf.xml mentions win32
21:23 rangi yeah probably should go through and fix those
21:23 rangi before the relesae notes are generated
21:24 cait i am right now :)
21:24 cait that's why i am asking weird questions :)
21:24 cait bug or enh?
21:24 rangi both bugs
21:24 rangi imho
21:25 cait thx :)
21:25 drojf enhancement by deletion seems odd :)
21:28 cait bug 10177
21:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10177 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Accepts Seven "Space" Characters as a Valid Password
21:28 cait bug?
21:28 wahanui bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
21:29 rangi bug
21:29 rangi and critical even
21:49 cait bug 13407
21:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13407 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Stable , Remove methods which are included in the 0.36 release of PDF::Reuse
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21:51 mtompset Greetings.
21:51 wahanui and beatings!
21:51 mtompset Joubu: Say it ain't so!
21:52 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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21:57 cait hm bug 11900 - i don't see this change on my installation?
21:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11900 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , OPAC cart can confuse patrons
21:58 cait ah now it's there
22:06 eythian hi
22:09 cait bug 7904 - bug?
22:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP modules handling of @INC is confused
22:15 eythian cait: technical debt payoff
22:16 cait so?
22:16 wahanui so is a long road.
22:16 cait bug or enh?
22:25 rangi i just switched it to bug
22:26 cait thx
22:27 cait hm bug 10773 sounds like an enh to me
22:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10773 major, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , Add item-level descriptions for Label Printing
22:28 rangi hmm certainly not major anyway
22:29 cait i think i am moving it to enh
22:29 cait if ther eis no veto
22:29 eythian it's a bit of both
22:29 cait it's something new people can use - in addition to how it worked before
23:07 wizzyrea disable apache default site is <reply>
23:07 wizzyrea eythian++
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23:15 eythian cait: why did you remove the fullstop from bug 14103's summary?
23:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14103 critical, P5 - low, ---, hector.hecaxmmx, Pushed to Master , PDF::FromHTML headaches related to optional discharging
23:16 cait normalizing
23:17 cait for release notes
23:18 eythian ah, fair enough
23:19 * eythian looks at cait's spelling
23:19 * eythian shakes head sadly
23:19 cait blame the mix of teachers i had :)
23:19 cait normalising?
23:19 eythian that's better
23:20 * wizzyrea pats cait gently
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23:21 cait and my handwritten z are prettier than the s...
23:21 wizzyrea and there isn't a good rule for the substitution.
23:21 wizzyrea canada: keeps the z's, adds the U's. What?
23:22 wizzyrea UK: both. US: neither AU: variable
23:22 wizzyrea NZ: also variable.
23:22 wizzyrea so no matter what, you're spelling it wrong.
23:23 eythian I think our rule for that is == the UK
23:23 wizzyrea I figure you can't really go wrong with adding both though.
23:23 eythian I don't recall any differences.
23:23 wizzyrea people will still get it.
23:23 wizzyrea well and then there are the variations between individual words, and I personally still don't understand all of the circumstances where a z can be replaced with an s
23:24 eythian you're not replacing a z with an s
23:24 eythian you're just not replacing an s with a z
23:24 wizzyrea :P
23:24 wizzyrea you are the most lovable pedant ever.
23:24 dcook I don't think Oz is that variable?
23:24 rangi theres pretty much no z inside english words
23:24 eythian try that on for size!
23:24 dcook Except maybe zebra
23:25 rangi yeah at the start there are
23:25 wizzyrea and like, my full name :P
23:25 rangi but inside
23:25 ibeardslee just put both the z and the s in there
23:25 dcook But yeah, I think z is a north american thing
23:25 wizzyrea ibeardslee++
23:25 dcook a later addition that is
23:25 dcook Whoops... clicked through an installation prompt? Oh windows..
23:25 rangi cept for words that came from french like rendezvous
23:25 ibeardslee isn't that an english word the french stole?
23:25 rangi and yeah proper nouns
23:25 * dcook swears that half the words in English appear to have come from French and the other half are from German
23:25 wizzyrea so customi...ation?
23:26 rangi s
23:26 ibeardslee s
23:26 dcook s
23:26 wizzyrea organi...ation?
23:26 rangi s
23:26 ibeardslee s
23:26 wizzyrea ^ this one I know
23:26 dcook That is, my autocorrect will use an s :p
23:26 wizzyrea reali...ation?
23:26 rangi s
23:26 ibeardslee s
23:26 eythian dcook: English is a Germanic language, after all.
23:26 eythian antici.......pation?
23:26 wizzyrea lol
23:26 ibeardslee let's just not get into the missing 'u's
23:27 wizzyrea oh please can we?
23:27 * ibeardslee blames australians for that
23:27 ibeardslee the missing ewes
23:27 wizzyrea they're all in nz
23:27 wizzyrea ^.^
23:27 wizzyrea see now you've figured it out
23:28 dcook eythian: When I was studying French, I found a lot of words easy to understand, as they were just "fancy" English words :p
23:28 wizzyrea I usually just follow what autocorrect tells me to do
23:28 eythian dcook: yeah, wars and invasions will do that :)
23:28 eythian dcook: handy hint if you're in the area: the drunker you are, the easier Dutch is to read.
23:29 dcook eythian: Totally. I find it interesting how it was considered "cool" to speak French as an English person back in the day
23:29 dcook Oooh. Good to know!
23:29 eythian apparently many of our French terms mean nothing to French people now.
23:29 dcook Oh yeah?
23:29 dcook Like what?
23:29 eythian I'm trying to think of an example
23:29 dcook I mean... that was definitely the case growing up
23:29 dcook We were taught "soulier" for shoe as kids
23:30 dcook I said that to a French person when I was 18 and they laughed their ass off
23:30 wizzyrea isn't it chausseur?
23:30 wizzyrea for shoe
23:30 dcook Yep
23:31 * dcook didn't learn that until he was 19/20... despite being raised speaking "French"
23:31 eythian I can't think of the example, but I read/watched something about it recently.
23:31 dcook eythian: I'm sure you're right though
23:31 dcook ^not sarcasm
23:31 dcook I'm sure it happens with Icelandic and Norwegian as well?
23:31 eythian most likely
23:33 dcook Wooo! Got Citrix access for a project!
23:34 dcook Turns out it's virtually useless as everything is too locked down. Woo!
23:34 eythian usually if something involves the word "citrix" you know it's going to be a bad time
23:34 wizzyrea cachet would be one of those words I think.
23:34 wizzyrea it means "stamp" in french but something like "prestige" in english
23:35 eythian faux ami
23:35 eythian amis? I forget
23:35 wizzyrea fake friends?
23:35 eythian false friend in english
23:35 wizzyrea it'd be plural
23:35 wizzyrea because of the aux (if I'm remembering right it's been ages.
23:35 wizzyrea )
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23:36 eythian two words that are the same/similar but with quite different meanings.
23:37 eythian dier in Dutch == animal for example (and hart == deer, which is coincidentally another.)
23:38 dcook ?
23:38 dcook dier = any animal?
23:38 dcook hart == deer?
23:38 * dcook thinks hart means deer in English too?
23:39 dcook Well, male deer I guess
23:39 wizzyrea it's a variant yeah
23:39 dcook In French, those are called faux amis
23:39 eythian dcook: yeah, dier just means animal.
23:39 eythian <eythian> faux ami
23:39 eythian <eythian> amis? I forget
23:39 eythian :)
23:39 dcook False cognates. There's a fancy way of saying it..
23:40 dcook Ah
23:40 dcook I should've read the scrollback :
23:40 eythian leads to works like dierengarten, too. For zoo.
23:40 dcook :P*
23:40 dcook O_o
23:40 dcook That is cool
23:40 eythian err
23:40 eythian dierentuin
23:40 eythian confused my languages for a moment
23:41 wizzyrea animalgarden, that kind of makes sense for zoo.
23:41 wizzyrea oh, it's not that.
23:41 eythian yeah, tuin means garden
23:41 eythian no, it is literally that
23:41 wizzyrea \o/ winning
23:41 dcook Hmm I think faux is faux both when it's plural and singular
23:42 eythian "zooological garden" if you want to get all upper crust British about it
23:42 dcook I think there are a fair number of words like that, although I can't remember them..
23:42 wizzyrea it's one of those words that does something funny to it's surrounding words, I do remember that (I think(
23:42 dcook Yeah, boo Citrix..
23:42 wizzyrea meh.
23:42 dcook I think someone just needs to tweak a firewall, which makes me think this might be resolved sometime next year
23:43 dcook wizzyrea: Hmm?
23:43 dcook Which word?
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23:47 dcook If it's faux, it'll make pronunciation differences
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