IRC log for #koha, 2015-04-27

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03:18 dcook Quiet today
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04:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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05:08 mveron Good daytime #koha
05:08 mveron @wunder Allschwil
05:08 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 11.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on April 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
05:14 mveron Hi mtompset :-)
05:14 mtompset Greetings, mveron.
05:15 mtompset Would you like an easy sign off or two? :)
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05:15 mveron Why not? - A sign-off a day keeps Koha on the way...
05:16 mtompset how about bug 13767? :)
05:16 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13767 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Readonly::XS (1:02) is not installed
05:17 mtompset And if you have a web cam attached to your koha server, perhaps bug 6815? ;)
05:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Capture member photo via webcam
05:17 mtompset Though, I do suspect they want something more client side. :)
05:20 mtompset And while we're playing with inventory... bug 14001 is a tiny improvement toward making inventory plack friendlier. I was testing on the kohadev box provided at
05:20 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14001 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Inventory is not plack friendly
05:20 mtompset plack doesn't like $_ as far as I can tell. :)
05:31 mveron mtompset: See comment on bug 13767 - it says "Not installed" (with patch)
05:31 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13767 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Readonly::XS (1:02) is not installed
05:32 mtompset WEird... do you have Readonly installed?
05:32 mveron It says so without patch...
05:34 mtompset Good thing I left Data::Dumper in accidentally. :)
05:34 mtompset perhaps you could die (\@data) around line 102 with the patch.
05:35 mtompset Hmm... your version is less than my 1.05-1+b1 (or whatever it is)
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05:41 mtompset mveron: Does the die show that it is parsing the dpkg correctly?
05:41 mtompset Does it even die?
05:41 mveron One moment...
05:43 mveron It seems that I do not get in this part. I issue a warning inside the same if statement but do not get anything
05:44 mtompset That's weird, so the eval "require Readonly" is failing?!
05:44 mtompset die Dumper($@); :)
05:46 mtompset OH! my eval is possibly wrong.
05:51 mveron Oh, 'no warnings' at top of this function ....
05:53 mtompset try that new version.
05:53 mtompset Silly me !$@.... I should have just put it all in the eval block. :)
05:57 mtompset I just realized that !$@ looks like I'm swearing. :)
05:57 mtompset Greetings, indradg misilot :)
06:01 mtompset mveron: Are you telling me that your Readonly::XS does not appear 'not installed' when you run the about page for Perl Modules?!
06:02 mveron mtopmset: I get "Not installed" if the patch is applied.  Without patch, it tells that it is istalled.
06:03 mtompset Are you running on a debian machine?
06:03 mveron Yes
06:03 mtompset strange.
06:03 mveron Linux koha2 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:04 mtompset Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1 (2015-04-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:04 mtompset Let me attempt an earlier version
06:05 mveron Maybe something is wrong with my installation? How can I verify on command line that Readonly::XS is properly installed?
06:05 mtompset dpkg -l libreadonly-xs-perl
06:05 mtompset But that doesn't say where.
06:07 mveron That's what I did (see my  first comment), and I get 1.04-2+b3
06:08 mtompset Right... where is your dpkg?
06:09 mtompset And you tried my latest upload?
06:09 mtompset (with the fixed !$@ issue)
06:10 mveron Yes for the latest upload. But I will verify again
06:11 mtompset AH HA!
06:11 mtompset I have duplicated your problem in 7u1.
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06:11 mveron Great :-)
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06:14 mveron brb
06:17 mveron back
06:17 mveron Hi magnuse
06:18 mtompset Readonly 1.03 vs. 2.00
06:18 mtompset ARG!
06:20 * magnuse waves
06:20 mtompset Greetings, magnuse
06:20 magnuse hiya mtompset and mveron
06:23 magnuse @wunder boo
06:23 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 2.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
06:23 magnuse looks an awful lot like snow, though
06:30 mveron @wunder Allschwil
06:30 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
06:32 magnuse should perhaps be using koha? ;-)
06:33 magnuse khall++ for[…]rver_Capabilities
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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06:59 alex_a bonjour
06:59 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
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07:07 drojf morning #koha
07:07 mveron Hi drojf :-)
07:08 drojf hi mveron :)
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07:28 gaetan_B hello
07:35 mtompset mveron: There we go. Nice evil hack using a parse of perldoc. ;)
07:36 mtompset Oops... need to fix commentary. :)
07:37 mveron mtompset: Should I wait before testing?
07:37 mtompset It's fixed now. Go ahead. :)
07:37 mveron OK
07:38 mtompset Tested in Debian 8 and 7u1. :)
07:40 mtompset Well, it's nearly 4am here (3:40am). I should sleep. :)
07:41 mtompset Have a great day, #koha mveron gaetan_B drojf alex_a reiveune magnuse
07:47 mveron Good night mtompset :-)
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08:00 ashimema morning #koha
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08:02 cait hi #koha
08:05 mveron hi cait :-)
08:05 cait hi mveron :)
08:13 nlegrand hey #koha!
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08:23 magnuse hiya ashimema cait nlegrand
08:23 * cait waves
08:30 magnuse um, permalinks to detail view in the opac should probably not look like this: /web/arena/results?p_p_state=normal&p_p_lifecycle​=1&p_p_action=1&p_p_id=crDetailWicket_WAR_arenapo​rtlets&p_p_col_count=15&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_c​ol_pos=2&p_p_mode=view&back_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbibl​​%3DcrDetailWicket_WAR_arenaportlets%26p_p_lifecyc​le%3D1%26p_p_state%3Dnormal%26p_p_mode%3Dview%26p​_p_col_id%3Dcolumn-2%26p_p_col_pos%3D2%26p
08:30 magnuse _p_col_count%3D15%26facet_queries%3D%26search_​item_no%3D0%26sort_advice%3Dfield%253DRelevanc​e%2526direction%253DDescending%26search_item_i​d%3D3%26agency_name%3DASE514811%26search_type%​3Dsolr%26search_query%3DMoral%2Boch%2Bk%25C3%2​5A4rlek%2Balberoni&facet_queries=&search_item_​no=0&sort_advice=field%3DRelevance%26direction​%3DDescending&search_type=solr&search_query=Mo​ral+och+k%C3%A4rlek+alberoni&arena_member_id=1​3602890&search_item_id=3&agency_name=ASE514811
08:33 drojf that's one handy link :)
08:33 drojf hi cait and magnuse :)
08:34 magnuse sure is
08:35 cait hi drojf :)
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08:41 magnuse tjänare andreashm
08:42 andreashm hallojski magnuse!
08:42 magnuse :-)
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08:44 andreashm magnuse: have a good weekend?
08:45 andreashm anyone know how it goes with the REST API for Koha?
08:51 * nlegrand o/ magnuse
08:53 Joubu andreashm: there is discussion on the bug report
08:53 andreashm bug 13799?
08:53 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
08:54 andreashm the discussion about using swagger2 and mojolicous?
08:58 Joubu To build packages, yes
08:58 magnuse andreashm: very good, thanks :-)
08:58 andreashm joubu: ok, thanks. so not much actual work done yet then? =)
08:59 magnuse andreashm: if you want to follow the development of a bug you can add yourself to the "CC List" of that bug and get email every time there is a new comment/attachment/etc. just cklick on "Save Changes" without changing anything ;-)
09:00 andreashm magnuse: thanks!
09:03 andreashm is anyone sponsoring the REST API work or is it done "on the side"?
09:07 magnuse i think it is one of the things ebsco is sponsoring?
09:08 magnuse jajm might know more about that?
09:09 jajm andreashm, ebsco is sponsoring some work on the REST API, yes
09:10 andreashm jajm: ok, thanks
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09:35 magnuse kia ora slef!
09:47 gerundio hi, good morning
09:48 gerundio I'm trying to perform an update on my Portuguese translation on Koha using "sudo koha-translate -u pt-PT"
09:48 gerundio this error occurs "/usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/fct/en/: Input must be a directory. (Symbolic links are not supported at the moment)"
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09:49 gerundio the en dir at /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/fct/ doesn't even exist
09:49 gerundio what should be its contents? the OPAC EN language files?
09:52 * magnuse magnus_lunch
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10:46 * mveron lunch
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12:12 francharb good morning
12:13 magnuse hiya francharb
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12:35 tcohen morning
12:36 tcohen @seen cait
12:36 huginn` tcohen: cait was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 1 minute, and 8 seconds ago: <cait> hi drojf :)
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12:37 huginn` tcohen: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 7 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <dpavlin> hooray for everybody involved!
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12:45 tcohen Joubu: around?
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12:55 kivilahtio I was reading yesterday about systemd + init + OpenRC + upstart. there seems to have been some heated debate about the future of Linux. Does anybody have any opinions about where Koha is going now that ubuntu decided to adopt systemd as well?
12:56 tcohen kivilahtio: it is for now backwards compatible with sysv init script
12:56 kivilahtio tcohen: I was more curious about hsould we want to move to systemd
12:56 kivilahtio tcohen: or try to stay far away from it
12:57 kivilahtio tcohen: I think everybody has a lot of good arguments and I don't know what to think of it
12:59 Joubu tcohen: yep
13:00 tcohen kivilahtio: i don't think the discussion affects Koha right now
13:01 tcohen the only problem (for now) would be that our zebra and indexing daemon init scripts stopped working and we would need to rewrite them
13:01 kivilahtio tcohen: true, but it affects should I start learning systemd or OpenRC?
13:01 kivilahtio tcohen: I am just curios what is worth learning more of
13:01 tcohen kivilahtio: debian adopted full systemd-support so i think we shoul dgo that way
13:02 kivilahtio tcohen: I think so. I cannot be fighting agains everything I guess :)
13:02 magnuse you can try ;-)
13:02 kivilahtio tcohen: and it feels awful lot like btrfs
13:02 kivilahtio btrfs is nice and I like the control panel mechanism, much like iptables
13:02 kivilahtio but I don't want another svchost, like tey say
13:04 tcohen kivilahtio: i don't like the systemd approach
13:04 tcohen or a sigle person/company making the decision of leaving POSIX behind
13:05 tcohen but as long as debian adopted it (canonical being part of the decision board puts ubuntu on the same side)
13:05 tcohen i think we need to move on
13:05 kivilahtio systemd brings some real upgrades, but I agree that systemd went by prety fast
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13:06 kivilahtio well I guess we can always switch to BSD if theings get hairy :)
13:07 jcamins I tried porting Koha to FreeBSD once.
13:07 tcohen jcamins: did u succeed?
13:07 jcamins No.
13:08 kivilahtio jcamins:  what hapened?
13:09 jcamins kivilahtio: I had issues with Perl dependencies.
13:09 kivilahtio jcamins: oooo, really :)
13:09 jcamins That was a while ago, though.
13:09 jcamins I think at the time FreeBSD had Perl 5.6 or 5.8 as the system default.
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13:35 * andreashm waves
13:41 andreashm kivilahtio: do you use goodstuff (pvsupa) at Vaara?
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15:12 khall tcohen around?
15:26 reiveune bye
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15:33 misilot is there a way to tell who is logged in currently into the staff side? And from what IP address?
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15:36 TGoat Good morning Koha .. will someone please tell me if EDI will be in the next release of Koha? Greatly appreciated. PS - you're all awesome .. thank you!
15:47 Joubu bye #koha
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16:20 gaetan_B bye
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16:26 tcohen khall_away: i'm back
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16:39 cait hi all
16:40 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9878: Add consistentcy on restriction messages <[…]5dfbcf120e08ee153> / Bug 12404: FIX documentation to join subfield <[…]a22e95af0da73585f> / Bug 12404: Allow equal sign '=' in the TT directive <[…]oha.git;a=commitd
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18:39 * barton waves the midday wave.
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19:01 * magnuse waves the evening wave
19:04 * mveron waves the evening wave back...
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19:39 bag knuckles the midday lunch knuckles
19:39 * magnuse knuckles bag
19:42 * tcohen just noticed everyone around
19:42 tcohen has left...
19:42 tcohen oops
19:48 * magnuse is here, sort of
19:48 magnuse ah, tcohen probably meant everyone irl? :-)
19:48 magnuse quitters!
19:48 tcohen yeah, i thought i was locked inside the offcice
19:49 tcohen but it seems one of the bosses is still around
19:52 * magnuse imgaines tcohen running off
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19:56 andreashm evening
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20:00 magnuse kia ora andreashm
20:03 andreashm hey magnuse
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20:34 cbrannon Just did a git fetch and git rebase origin/master on my VM for Koha.  When I try to bring up Koha or Koha admin in browswer I am getting error Cant locate DBIx/ in @INC (and more).  Anyone have any ideas what I might have missed?
20:34 cait you need to install it
20:34 cait try
20:35 cait sudo apt-get install libdbix-connector-perl
20:36 cbrannon That did it.  What did I just install?
20:36 cait dunno heh
20:36 cait it's a new dependency
20:36 cait not sure i can explain what it does
20:37 cbrannon Wasn't very self explanitory.  :/  Thank you cait!
20:37 cait np
20:38 cbrannon So, when I update my master, do I usually need to fetch and rebase?  It appears my Koha is a new installation again.  Was there something I should have done different to keep my settings?
20:43 cbrannon nevermind.  It looks like it is just updating itself.  :/  Can you tell I don't do this much.  Geez.
20:43 cbrannon Hey, Nicole!
20:43 nengard hey cbrannon
20:43 wahanui cbrannon is attempting to setup a test box for Koha.  I am in debian and use "git clone git:// kohaclone", but I get a connection refused error.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?  FYI, I've never used debian before today.
20:43 nengard LOL
20:43 cait cbrannon: that should not change your database/koha
20:44 cait well it will update it - but not change yoursettings
20:44 cbrannon Good to know.  Time to sign off on some things again.
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21:02 magnuse have fun #koha!
21:07 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
21:10 rangi morning
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21:19 * wizzyrea waves
21:34 eythian jajm: rule of thumb is that if it's not acceptable to debian, it's not acceptable to There are still workarounds, the issue is due to a bug in something else, so I have things I can try.
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22:35 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:35 mtompset @seen tcohen
22:35 huginn` mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 46 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <tcohen> but it seems one of the bosses is still around
22:35 mtompset Silly people leaving on time. :)
22:43 rangi mtompset: can you do me a quick favour
22:43 rangi do a google search for koha
22:44 mtompset google search for koha? Sure... doing
22:44 mtompset You won't be happy.
22:44 rangi just trying to see where things rank around the world
22:45 rangi its just passed in nz
22:45 rangi it'll get there eventually everywhere :)
22:45 mtompset
22:46 wizzyrea nah that's how it always is :)
22:47 rangi yep, it's flipped in nz now :)
22:47 wizzyrea tough to beat 10 years of history :)
22:47 wizzyrea but we're coming up on 5
22:47 wizzyrea for kc.
22:49 mtompset Screen shot removed now. But yes, Liblime's link was first.
22:50 eythian <-- for comparison, that's what I get.
22:58 eythian[…]s/NdVv7BEDastFmKa <-- and what it looks like to me on duckduckgo
23:01 dcook Neat ->[…]Cafe/323847370751
23:01 dcook Btw, k-c comes up as the 2nd result for me here
23:05 dcook Interesting... after clicking on that Facebook link, it has totally changed the page 2+ results
23:06 eythian yeah, that's how personalised search results work :)
23:07 dcook :p
23:07 dcook It's just interesting what they chose to shuffle
23:07 dcook Well, not "they" per se...
23:07 wizzyrea now I want to know where that cafe is :)
23:07 wizzyrea so we can visit them some day, the clash of the koha communities :D
23:07 dcook I know, right? They don't say what city, but I'm guessing Melbourne?
23:08 wizzyrea Melbourne, afaict :D
23:08 wizzyrea hey that's a perfectly sensible place to visit ^.^
23:08 dcook Still have yet to go to Lentil As Anything...
23:08 dcook wizzyrea: Don't you guys have an office there as well?
23:08 dcook Work trip to Koha Community Cafe ;)
23:08 wizzyrea yes-ish
23:09 dcook ish?
23:09 dcook Does it phase out of this dimension sometimes?
23:09 dcook That commute would suck...
23:09 eythian[…]-meanings-report/ <-- "Australia is the land of vices and indulgence", "Canadians score highest for the poop emoji", you can't win, dcook
23:09 wizzyrea or maybe he's won all the things.
23:09 dcook Oh, I figure I'm doomed
23:09 wizzyrea I guess it would depend on what the competition is over. :P
23:10 dcook I don't think I use emoji, so I'm not sure what that means
23:10 dcook I suppose a few accidentally...
23:10 dcook I don't mean to... :p
23:10 dcook It just happens!
23:10 dcook "female-oriented emoji"?
23:11 wizzyrea does it seem weird that US english prefers "royalty" category, and AU it doesn't even register...
23:12 wizzyrea poop and guns for canada, dcook.
23:12 wizzyrea that's not a good look :P
23:13 * wizzyrea puts that away because could easily lose an hour there.
23:13 dcook I suppose Canada does have a lot of goose poop
23:13 dcook Really... a lot
23:13 dcook We should package and export it...
23:13 dcook Also lots of guns, I guess
23:14 dcook I think all the weightlifters I know are Canadian, so maybe it's a metaphor?
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23:25 wizzyrea did we get to weightlifters?
23:25 wizzyrea oh, different type of guns.
23:25 mtompset Poop to weightlifting... interesting.
23:28 rangi
23:32 wizzyrea loool
23:33 wizzyrea onion man
23:33 wizzyrea americauliflower.
23:35 eythian gmcharlt: you about?
23:43 mtompset Nice find, rangi. :)
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