IRC log for #koha, 2015-01-08

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00:10 tcohen night every1
00:11 eythian hi tcohen, bye tcohen
00:11 tcohen hi eythian
00:12 dcook night tcohen
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00:18 eythian hi papa
00:19 dcook So tempted to go for thai...
00:19 dcook I figure if I go out for lunch, I can't work through my lunch...
00:19 dcook Plus, thai is awesome
00:22 eythian rangi: new bugzilla doesn't handle UTF-8 in email properly, fyi. "Comment # 17 on bug 13407 from Tom�s Cohen Arazi"
00:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13407 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Remove methods which are included in the 0.36 release of PDF::Reuse
00:32 rangi interesting i didnt change bugzilla
00:32 rangi just went from precise to trusty underneath it
00:33 rangi so might be a perl change
00:34 rangi and or mysql
00:34 rangi ill try to remember to take a look tonight
00:37 eythian ah, curious
00:38 rangi i wonder if its the same perl 5.20 we were spotting with utf8 and koha
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03:26 dcook liw: learning about building deb packages from :D
03:26 dcook liw++
03:27 dcook He's pretty much a constant figure in my reading at the moment :p
03:27 dcook last night and this morning were obnam and now deb packages..
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03:54 dcook Huh... I think I actually get the part of the idea that I didn't before...
03:57 dcook Maybe I'll have to grill eythian some more some time...
03:58 dcook Seems like... koha-common.dirs, koha-common.install, Makefile.PL, and /debian/rules do all the hard work
03:58 eythian yeah
03:58 eythian there's a lot of magic that lets it work out how to handle a perl application, and it just does that without you having to see any of it.
03:58 eythian so that's why there's no explicit "now go run the makefile" code in debian/rules
03:59 dcook I was wondering a bit about that
03:59 dcook I mean... I saw the "#!/usr/bin/make -f" and "export PERL_MM_USE_DEFAULT=1" bits in debian/rules and wondered
04:00 dcook Does it also figure out the Perl dependencies?
04:00 dcook It seems that it does..
04:00 eythian "#!/usr/bin/make -f" is just because debian/rules is written in make
04:00 dcook But I don't know how it could :S
04:00 eythian no, it doesn't
04:00 eythian that's in debian/control
04:00 dcook eythian: Yeah, I figured debian/rules was written in make. I wondered at what stage got prompted in there
04:01 dcook Ah, sorry. I was referring to debian/control
04:01 dcook I'm all over the map here :p
04:01 eythian dh_auto_install runs the make file I think
04:01 dcook Ah, right. I think that's what liw's workshop said.
04:01 dcook Or "dh"?
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04:02 eythian no
04:02 dcook Which runs dh_auto_install?
04:02 eythian well
04:02 eythian not in koha's case
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04:02 eythian dh runs debian/rules in a special sequence
04:02 dcook Ah yeah dh_auto_install looks like the one
04:03 eythian we override one of those defaults to handle the install sequence manually
04:03 eythian and then we call the magic to do the install, and do a bit of patching afterwards.
04:05 dcook
04:05 dcook Interesting... so it's good with Makefile,, and Build.PL
04:05 dcook And not Ant
04:05 dcook Neato burrito
04:05 dcook eythian: You're referring to override_dh_auto_install:?
04:06 eythian as the magic, yes
04:06 dcook Sweet
04:06 dcook When does "/debian/tmp" get made? :S
04:06 eythian I dunno
04:06 dcook I think I've figured out most things except that one
04:06 eythian probably by dh_auto_install
04:07 dcook Hmm, I'll investigate. Cheers :)
04:07 dcook I'm actually curious about a totally different app all together, but figured I understood Koha well enough to figure things out
04:08 dcook Ahhhh this is making more sense now..
04:08 eythian it's quite nice, to make Perl modules, I just run dh-make-perl --pkg-perl --cpan Module::Name, and then clean up the files (so, fix copyright, make sure dependencies are right, fix lintian issues, etc.) and it's usually then good for submission to Debian.
04:08 dcook I was wondering why there were debian packages for things like yui and tinymce
04:08 eythian so you can link them
04:08 dcook Yeah
04:09 dcook Sweet. That does sound slick.
04:09 dcook Are you a factor as to why Debian seems to have everything under the sun?
04:10 dcook When it comes to packaged perl modules that is
04:10 eythian a teeny tiny part
04:10 eythian[…]
04:11 eythian I think there's a couple more in the pipeline, too, but uploads are currently frozen in prep for the jessie release.
04:12 dcook mm makes sense
04:12 dcook Ah, neato
04:18 dcook Alas, my familiarity with Python apps is not so good..
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04:53 dcook Hmm is actually super easy...
04:56 eythian I've never looked at it
04:57 dcook Oh, I just wanted to know where a program was going to install
04:57 eythian /usr/local/...?
04:57 wahanui /usr/local/ is a give away that it was cpan :)
04:57 eythian thanks wahanui
04:57 eythian wahanui: status
04:57 wahanui Since Wed Jun 25 06:09:14 2014, there have been 3495 modifications and 1179 questions.  I have been awake for 196 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, 38 seconds this session, and currently reference 40636 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
04:58 dcook /usr/local/pythonX.Y/site-packages/...
04:58 dcook Well and /bin/
04:58 eythian ah yep
04:58 dcook comes with a handy "--record" option that records everything that's installed as well
05:00 dcook Wait, my bad "/usr/local/bin"
05:00 dcook and "/usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y"
05:01 dcook Which makes sense... I guess I just have trust issues when it comes to software :p
05:02 dcook Currently looking at "" for managing config at home
05:02 dcook Thought about using Chef, which I know reasonably well now, but figured "meh, why not learn something new"
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05:03 eythian https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcd[…]d652b&oe=556D0492
05:04 rangi heh
05:04 dcook hehe
05:04 rangi some of the most discussed bugs (by the most different people) are the RDA ones
05:04 rangi this makes me sad
05:05 rangi library users spit on your RDA
05:06 rangi if we could get half that passion about user privacy, or features in the opac, the world would be a better place
05:07 rangi thats my thought for the day, now im gonna head off :)
05:08 dcook It's a very good thought, rangi :)
05:10 dcook Even if I am discussing bugs about RDA... I don't want to be :p
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05:42 dcook I wonder if I could build RPMs that would work on Fedora and Suse systems...
05:43 dcook I keep thinking the Perl dependencies would be no fun for Suse
05:43 dcook cpan2rpm might work for Fedora..
05:48 dcook Hmm... seems that zypper and yast can handle yum repositories...
05:54 dcook Hehe. This is interesting:
05:57 dcook On a different note, I wonder how many people are using the patron self-registration...
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07:00 cait morning #koha
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07:51 marcelr hi #koha
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07:52 reiveune hello
07:52 wahanui niihau, reiveune
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07:59 alex_a bonjour
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08:14 fridolin hie
08:14 fridolin good morning
08:21 marcelr hi fridolin
08:22 fridolin hi marcelr
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08:43 gaetan_B hello
08:45 cait hi all
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09:15 nlegrand Hey #koha.
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10:18 cait happy new year nlegrand :)
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10:30 nlegrand cait: thanks, happy new year to you too :)
10:30 nlegrand and happy new year #koha ^^
10:35 fredericd happy new year to all of you
10:41 * magnuse wishes everyone a happy new year too!
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11:02 cait happy new year magnuse and fredericd :)
11:04 kivilahtio happy new year cait!
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11:26 magnuse too bad bug 13528 does not work with the query parser...
11:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
11:33 magnuse do we want to keep the query parser optional? it seems like a bad thing to have some features that work with it and some that work without it
11:34 cait happy new year kivilahtio - sorry ran out for lunch :)
11:35 kivilahtio cait: np. I am running out of breath :)
11:39 magnuse lunch sounds like a good idea
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11:53 Joubu magnuse: too bad that QP is buggy :)
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13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
13:19 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.0 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha | Code of conduct -[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC | Please use for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is
13:19 cait hi oleonard :)
13:19 magnuse hiya oleonard
13:20 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:20 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -20.6°C (7:41 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 30.62 in 1037 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning...
13:20 magnuse Joubu: yeah, i just get this feeling we are spreading ourselves too thin, creating too many options and possible combinations and variations...
13:20 magnuse @wunder boo
13:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady).
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: I agree
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: But everybody has their distinct needs
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: IT is hard
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: needs more unit tests and espceialyl better unti test frameworks for Koha
13:22 kivilahtio gotta go for lunch
13:22 magnuse whoa, late lunch :-)
13:22 magnuse oleonard: wow, that is cold!
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13:30 oleonard I don't suppose it ever gets so cold in Norway that they cancel school
13:31 magnuse hehe, no, i don't think that happens a lot
13:31 magnuse well, i guess if the heating in the school was broken it might happen
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13:34 paul_p good morning americans
13:39 magnuse kia ora paul_p
13:39 paul_p kia ora magnus
13:39 * paul_p back from Air France office, to try to buy a ticket for Tomas (hackfest). too bad with AF. Will search another option...
13:40 magnuse yay
13:40 magnuse so he is definitely coming? that is cool!
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13:44 paul_p tcohen hi.
13:44 tcohen hi paul_p
13:45 paul_p tcohen = coming from Buenos Aires is MUCH more easy !
13:45 tcohen heh
13:45 paul_p tcohen what's the price for a flight COR <> Buenos ? (just this one)
13:45 tcohen the problem is always connecting cordoba <-> ezeiza flights with the international ones
13:46 tcohen paul_p: arond 150€
13:46 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
13:46 tcohen it usually costs 1700 AR$
13:48 tcohen hi magnuse
13:48 paul_p tcohen but if you have a night in your family, no more problem, right ?
13:48 tcohen no  problem at all
13:49 * magnuse starts looking for prices for  BOO -> MRS -> BOO
13:52 paul_p another news, that I should set public in the next days (once I've got a final "GO") : the Aix Marseille university will provide us more meeting room. One 12 ppl room, and 2 office (where 3 ppl can work). That's 20mn by foot or metro from BibLibre. So we should not be short in space !
13:52 tcohen yay!!
13:53 paul_p tcohen last year, we were 45+, and that's really the maximum that can stand in our open-space office.
13:53 cait eek - having to get up earlier .)
13:54 tcohen :-P
13:55 * tcohen is downloading a 14.10 ISO for his grandpa
13:55 cait paul_p: is the room at the uni additional?
13:55 cait or instead?
13:56 paul_p cait additional
13:56 cait because 12 + 3 +3.. ah
13:56 cait ok, now i got it :)
13:56 cait are we going to come together for lunch then?
13:56 paul_p cait I said "more" not "one" (meeting room)
13:56 paul_p cait probably not.
13:57 * tcohen thinks it is ok, as long as those awesome candy paul_p brought to cordoba are in his box
13:58 cait heh you are spoiled
13:58 cait I can show you the shop ... maybe
13:58 cait i was there with pianohacker last year, but actually i am not sure i will find it again without google maps :)
13:58 tcohen so you have the name
13:59 cait i am sure paul_p will help us finding it again :)
14:00 paul_p cait tcohen very easy to find (and between univ & BibLibre if you go by foot)
14:00 paul_p tcohen = mail in your mailbox with a trip proposal
14:01 magnuse paul_p: so the main event will still be at your office, but some people can "shell out" to the uni?
14:01 paul_p magnuse something like that, yes
14:02 paul_p and you'll visit the nice great beuatiful university office (kidding, it's a 60's building, poorly maintained)
14:02 magnuse lol
14:02 tcohen paul_p: sounds ok
14:03 * magnuse tries google maps
14:03 magnuse paul_p: is it next to palais du pharo?
14:03 magnuse ?
14:04 magnuse ashimema++ for[…]rt_Bibliographics
14:04 paul_p magnuse not at all. It's at St Charles train station
14:05 magnuse stupid google maps! ;-)
14:06 paul_p magnuse it's here :[…]xfcb721b396fcdea0
14:07 tcohen[…]77513!2d43.304776
14:07 cait ah near main station
14:08 magnuse ah, thanks
14:08 magnuse paul_p: got a lot of signups already?
14:08 paul_p magnuse yep
14:10 paul_p meeting now. I'm AFK
14:10 cait where is the google docs? :)
14:10 cait ooh
14:11 * cait is curious
14:11 cait as always :)
14:11 paul_p cait no gdoc yet, must do that soon
14:11 * magnuse sends paul_p the cloning tool
14:12 tcohen /clone paul_p
14:12 tcohen hm, didn't work
14:13 cait any error message?
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14:13 paul_clone hello #koha
14:13 paul_p hello paul_clone :D
14:13 tcohen heh
14:14 paul_p tcohen = it worked
14:14 paul_clone tcohen: it worked
14:14 tcohen lol
14:15 * tcohen heads to his grandpa's home to "fix" his old Ubuntu
14:15 tcohen bbl
14:16 magnuse tcohen++
14:16 magnuse so the cloning worked, but the clone only lived for a couple minutes? hm, we need to fix that
14:16 magnuse "87 People had patches in Koha. There were 34 people who got their first patch in Koha this year" yay!
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14:58 tcohen hi
14:58 tcohen @wunder cordoba argentina
14:58 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 30.1°C (11:50 AM ART on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
14:59 oleonard tcohen: That's a nice 50° difference from where I am :)
14:59 wahanui i heard :) was ok
15:00 tcohen 30°C
15:02 tcohen are you at -20°C oleonard ??
15:02 oleonard @wunder 45701
15:02 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is -17.0°C (9:30 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -23.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning...
15:02 tcohen uhhhhhhhhhhh brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
15:02 druthb brrrr
15:02 druthb @wunder 77063
15:02 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Piney Point Village, TX 77063, Houston, Texas is -0.2°C (9:02 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa (Rising).
15:02 druthb I like this *better*, but I'd rather be in Cordoba, I think.
15:03 tcohen you're invited
15:03 druthb @wunder lawrence, ks
15:03 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Meadowbrook, Lawrence, Kansas is -12.5°C (8:48 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 9 am CST this morning...
15:03 druthb yeah, so glad I moved out of Lawrence, to Houston.  Srsly.
15:04 druthb tcohen, don't tempt me. my old joints do not like this cold.
15:04 tcohen move to Tulum
15:04 tcohen it is closer
15:05 druthb in Mexico, not far from Cozumel?
15:05 tcohen yeah
15:05 * druthb enjoyed Cozumel late last year.  Very nice. Warm.
15:06 * tcohen remembers Isla Mujeres mmm
15:06 * cait can recommend cordoba
15:08 druthb my cruise passed by Isla Mujeres, coming and going...  Galveston to Progreso to Cozumel, and back to Galveston.
15:08 cait hm got another of those funny questions....
15:08 cait what exactly is stored in the table patroncards?
15:08 cait it's not patron card batches... as i had thought
15:08 cait those go in creator_batches
15:08 tcohen git blame on kohastructure.sql
15:09 cait hmm not a bad idea
15:09 cait trying a git grep now
15:09 cait so far found no sql using it
15:10 cait can you git gep but leave out the po files?
15:10 tcohen | grep -v translator ?
15:11 cait hm breaks the nice syntax highlighting :)
15:11 tcohen ah, yes
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15:12 Joubu grep foo | grep -v bar | grep foo ;)
15:13 cait ok, grep always confuses me
15:13 cait i am looking at git grep -h right now
15:14 tcohen grep should support some kind of continuation, and preserve the colors from the previous run
15:14 tcohen everyone does that, so no point not supporting it
15:16 cait i think you can tellgit grep to ignore fiels
15:16 cait but not getting the snytax right
15:16 tcohen you need to use regexps on your search
15:18 cait q
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15:21 * cait gives up
15:22 ashimema afternoon peeps
15:22 cait hi ashimema
15:23 cait chris_n: around?
15:25 cait it was added in the: eigth installment patron card generation feature
15:25 tcohen date?
15:25 wahanui i guess date is circled ;)
15:26 cait ages ago
15:26 cait i still can find no way ot actually get data into it
15:26 cait 2008
15:26 tcohen and git grep patroncards | grep -v -e translator gives no results?
15:27 cait try it :)
15:27 cait also add -e koha-tmpl at the end
15:28 cait i think i am going crezy
15:28 cait still finding no prove it's used
15:28 cait there is makefile, he schema files, kohastructur, updatedatabase, some template variables... but i don't see a way where data is inserted into the table
15:31 tcohen patroncards/ dir?
15:31 cait there are matches, but nothing looks like data insert
15:32 cait i think it's not used
15:33 tcohen raise the question on the list
15:33 cait not subscribed from here, but i will file a bug, maybe chris_n knows
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16:01 reiveune bye
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16:57 chris_n cait: looking now
16:57 chris_n also try: grep --include=\*.{pl,pm} -Ern 'patroncards' *
16:58 chris_n hmm... that table appears to be vestigial
16:58 chris_n mysql> SELECT count(*) FROM patroncards;
16:58 chris_n +----------+
16:58 chris_n | count(*) |
16:58 chris_n +----------+
16:59 chris_n |        5 |
16:59 chris_n +----------+
16:59 chris_n 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
16:59 chris_n but the timestamps are from 2008
16:59 chris_n and grep shows no code referencing that table
17:01 chris_n cait: I just commented on the bug saying that I think the table can safely be removed
17:18 chris_n @later tell cait check the channel log for my comments
17:18 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
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18:02 wnickc @wunder 05048
18:02 huginn wnickc: The current temperature in Quechee Lakes Sec 1, Quechee, Vermont is -14.9°C (1:02 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
18:06 * Dyrcona likes to visit Quechee in the summer.
18:08 wnickc :)
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18:37 chris_n @wunder 28335
18:37 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in JGFarms, Benson, North Carolina is -3.3°C (1:21 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Steady).
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18:45 rangi happy birthday bag
18:45 bag hey thanks rangi :D
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19:42 rangi hi cait
19:42 cait hi rangi
19:43 cait happy birthday bag :)
19:44 * cait sends a chocolate bunny
19:44 wizzyrea_ Congratulations on another successful trip around the sun :)
19:44 cait chris_n++ # thx for checking!
19:44 wizzyrea_ bag ^
19:48 chris_n cait: yw
19:49 * chris_n wishes bag a happy birthday as well
19:51 cait :)
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19:52 cait i wonder what i thought when ordering a coconut with my veggie box...
19:52 cait how am i going to open this thing???
19:53 chris_n cait: drive out two of the eyes with a screwdriver
19:53 chris_n then rap the shell sharply with a hammer while rolling it around
19:53 chris_n the coconut, that is
19:53 chris_n eventually the shell will crack
19:54 chris_n then use a butter knife to separate the meat from the shell
19:54 chris_n enjoy
19:54 * chris_n loves a fresh coconut cake
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19:56 thelastboyscout hello all
19:56 cait :)
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19:56 cait ok, i meant: open without hurting myself
19:56 cait probably impossible
19:58 thelastboyscout Desperation has driven me to IRC for the first time in about 15 years :(
19:58 thelastboyscout ANybody got experience with koha ldap logins?
20:00 cait yes and no - i can tell you we have it working for 3.12 something, but I don't know about how to set it up
20:01 thelastboyscout I've followed the setup instructions and think the config is correct
20:03 thelastboyscout We're running Koha 3.19 on Debian Testing with Perl 5.020001
20:03 thelastboyscout Bizarrely the config works from the Bash command line but not through a browser
20:04 thelastboyscout Works: /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ userid=userid password=password > /tmp/output.txt
20:06 thelastboyscout Does not work: http://server/cgi-bin/koha/
20:07 rangi there's a reason you are running the unstable/unreleased version ?
20:08 thelastboyscout We're a small company living on the BLEEDING edge
20:08 thelastboyscout :)
20:08 thelastboyscout but I tried on the previosu version before upgrading
20:09 thelastboyscout The only thing I can think of is complex passwords. I am able to escape characters at the Bash prompt. Does Koha's web interface handle punctuation characters in passwords?
20:10 cait don't think that's the problem - no limit i know of
20:11 thelastboyscout Good. It works with native passwords
20:11 liz are you logging in with the db user and password from your koha-conf.xml file?
20:11 liz or a different user
20:12 liz because for the installer only the db user works.
20:13 thelastboyscout No it's post install. This is after having installed and then enabling the ldapserver section in the koha-conf.xml file
20:13 wizzyrea_ ah gotya.
20:13 wizzyrea_ secure connections to ldap can cause issues sometimes
20:14 thelastboyscout I don't think it is that - the connection settings all work from the bash prompt
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20:16 thelastboyscout I've been trying to turn on debugging with Setenv DEBUG 9 but for some reson I'm not getting any debug to the error log
20:19 wizzyrea_ I've seen it happen before with secure connections, working from the prompt, but not from koha. I didn't personally fix it though.
20:20 thelastboyscout this is not set up as a secure connection - straight LDAP AD bind
20:25 M_Sic I think I'm missing something really basic here... I have a new koha installation and I've added a few items but they aren't showing up in either the staff or OPAC search. Zebra is running and I can find them using the cl yah-client. The items also show up in reports. Any suggestions?
20:33 bag thanks cait wizzyrea and chris_n :)
20:36 wizzyrea_ the items aren't showing up or the records arent?
20:36 wizzyrea_ do you get results at all?
20:36 M_Sic No result at all when searching
20:36 M_Sic no items or records
20:36 wizzyrea_ how did you install koha?
20:37 M_Sic but the same search terms work via yaz-client
20:37 M_Sic It's on CentOS mostly following directions from[…]n_Centos_6.2_i386
20:37 wizzyrea_ oh, I know next to 0 about centos, sorry.
20:38 wizzyrea_ something you might check though
20:39 wizzyrea_ would be that all of the dependencies are installed, you can see them at More -> About Koha -> Perl modules
20:39 wizzyrea_ also check the logs when you do a search, and see if there's anything obvious there.
20:39 wizzyrea_ I don't know where centos keeps them.
20:39 M_Sic Yeah, nothing in the kohl-error log
20:40 M_Sic er, koha. Thanks autocorrect :)
20:40 wizzyrea_ in the apache logs?
20:40 M_Sic let me check those again
20:40 wizzyrea_ tail -f might be your friend there.
20:41 M_Sic Ah, there's definitely stuff there
20:41 wizzyrea_ start it up, do a thing, go back and check.
20:42 M_Sic [Thu Jan  8 20:19:14 2015] DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' , count(*) FROM biblioitems INNER JOIN  items ON (items.biblioitemnumber = bibl' at line 1 at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-b​in/reports/ line 457.
20:42 wizzyrea_ that fires when you do a search?
20:42 wizzyrea_ what version are you using?
20:42 M_Sic nah, that's from earlier. Firing up tail -f now
20:43 M_Sic Version
20:44 wizzyrea_ that error is probably unrelated to your search error
20:45 M_Sic Hm, no error on searching catalog from staff interface or OPAC
20:48 M_Sic Looks like Convert::BaseN is not installed, even though I thought I installed it; any chance that would have anything to do with it? All other perl modules are installed
20:50 cait hm is this mandatory?
20:50 M_Sic Okay, installed it and no change
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22:13 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
22:13 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:13 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
22:14 eythian hmm, not bad for this time of day.
22:14 eythian also, hi cait
22:14 cait hi eythian
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22:35 dcook @wunder syd
22:35 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 27.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
22:36 dcook Hmm, could be warmer
22:36 eythian but shouldn't be
22:36 dcook Sydney is the tempeprature of Konstanz and Wellington combined. Hmm.
22:36 dcook Shouldn't be?
22:36 eythian warmer is too warm.
22:36 dcook Agreed
22:37 dcook One of the cats threw up yesterday, and I'm wondering if it was actually from getting overheated during the afternoon...
22:37 dcook Rumour has it that this is the hottest summer in NSW to date
22:37 dcook Although I swear that I've had hotter summers here, so maybe that's not true
22:37 dcook It's barely even January
22:43 wizzyrea_ yeah plenty of summer left to break records in
22:43 wizzyrea_ afaict it's been pretty average here.
22:44 wizzyrea_ though it was super chilly last week
22:44 dcook Mmm, it was chilly last night
22:44 dcook Well, when I say chilly... I mean that I needed a top sheet
22:44 dcook (but my wife had stolen it...)
22:44 dcook But also hot enough that I could actually sleep without any sheets/blankets/etc...
22:45 dcook Actually, I wonder about Texans and people from central/northern Australia
22:45 dcook Must be pretty hot...
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22:46 eythian @wunder canberra
22:46 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Madison Apartments, Narrabundah, Capital Territory is 22.7°C (9:45 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
22:46 M_Sic That's why this texan moved someplace where walking outside is actually pleasant :)
22:46 eythian I would have expected warmer
22:46 dcook Hehe, and where did you go M_Sic?
22:47 M_Sic @wunder lihue
22:47 huginn M_Sic: The current temperature in Lihue, Hawaii is 25.0°C (11:53 AM HST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Falling). High surf advisory in effect until 6 PM HST this evening...
22:47 dcook eythian: Nah, Canberra is usually fairly cool I think
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22:47 eythian dcook: I've been there, it was only 40-ish...
22:47 dcook Hmm, weird
22:47 M_Sic Yeah, no "high surf advisories" in Texas though
22:47 eythian though, that could have been an abberation
22:47 dcook Possibly
22:47 dcook M_Sic: I guess not, eh?
22:48 eythian <-- looks like that was a record though
22:48 dcook I wish I understood the "in-law" thing better
22:48 dcook My sister's husband's brother lives in Hawaii
22:48 rangi @wunder adelaide
22:48 dcook Keep meaning to visit one day
22:48 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
22:48 dcook lol
22:48 rangi @wunder adelaide, sa
22:48 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
22:48 dcook So many jokes to be made...
22:48 * dcook has never been to adelaide, but thinks he'd probably actually like it
22:48 rangi @wunder adl
22:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Cowandilla, Adelaide, South Australia is 19.9°C (9:18 AM ACDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
22:49 dcook Mmm, that sounds pleasant
22:49 eythian I've been there once, but I was 8 years old.
22:49 rangi thats better than the 46 it was
22:49 rangi @wunder perth, australia
22:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Eden Hill, Eden Hill, Western Australia is 17.4°C (6:48 AM AWST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:49 dcook @wunder darwin, australia
22:49 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Anula Heights, Anula, Northern Territory is 27.6°C (8:19 AM ACST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
22:49 dcook huh..
22:49 M_Sic now that there are more people around, anybody have any suggestions for things to check if searching for items in both the staff interface and OPAC doesn't work with no koha or apache errors and items show up int he yaz-client command line tool?
22:49 dcook @wunder brisbane, australia
22:49 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Wavell Heights, Wavell Heights, Queensland is 27.5°C (8:49 AM AEST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
22:49 rangi all a lot cooler than a few days ago
22:50 dcook M_Sic: opac suppression perhaps
22:50 dcook Oh wait, you said staff interface didn't work
22:50 M_Sic right; not showing up on either, although you can scan by barcode to check items out and it finds them
22:50 dcook I think scan by barcode uses the db rather than zebra
22:51 dcook eythian: That's pretty hot
22:51 dcook I think it was in the low 40s when I went househunting in 2013
22:51 eythian yeah, brisbane is warm.
22:52 dcook M_Sic: that sounds like a tricky one...
22:52 eythian I really want to get koha having meaningful errors when it can't talk to zebra, rather than just "no results found"
22:52 dcook When you say it doesn't work, do you mean it says "0 results found" or something like that?
22:52 M_Sic Heh, and on a new install too :( The group I'm setting it up has a CentOS VPS that I'm supposed to use
22:53 dcook CentOS? That's a rare one for Koha I think
22:53 M_Sic Correct; no results found
22:53 dcook eythian: Yeah, that would be good and probably not that difficult at all..
22:53 M_Sic it's been a pain. Had things working just fine on my test Debian server to kind of learn my way around and then realized what I had to work with
22:54 dcook I occasionally think about learning how to build RPMs for Fedora and Suse based systems, but... haven't had time/sponsorship for that
22:54 dcook So it's a new install...
22:55 dcook So I doubt there's anything in the system preferences "OpacHiddenItems" and "OpacSuppression" probably says "Don't hide"?
22:55 M_Sic Right; should be super easy. No data to migrate from an old system even.
22:55 dcook What search queries are you using in Koha and yaz-client?
22:56 M_Sic Nothing in OpacHiddenItems and OpacSuppression is set to Don't Hide
22:56 M_Sic Right now there are only two books in the system. I've tried searching by Author, Title, and ISBN. Same searches work with yaz-client
22:58 dcook I suppose I'm curious about yaz-client, because there are lots of ways you can issue queries with it which are quite dissimilar to Koha...
22:59 dcook But from the sound of it, it's probably not that anyway
22:59 M_Sic I was following the directions from this post: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ng-td3050990.html
23:00 M_Sic so, just f "Hawaii" for one of the books that has Hawaii in the title
23:00 dcook Yeah that should be roughly equivalent to a keyword search in Koha
23:00 dcook Mm
23:00 dcook Are you using ICU?
23:00 dcook and DOM?
23:00 wahanui it has been said that DOM is the answer...
23:01 dcook I seem to recall having some issues with search when using DOM and ICU together
23:01 M_Sic Hm. I don't know. Will look into it.
23:02 dcook Did you do a Debian packages install?
23:02 M_Sic UseICU is set to Not Using
23:02 dcook Ah, that system preference isn't always the best indication
23:03 dcook I can't recall which file will tell you... I'll have to look
23:03 dcook default.idx, I think
23:03 M_Sic Installed from source since I'm on CentOS
23:04 dcook Ah, you're on CentOS
23:04 dcook I wasn't sure if you were there or on your Debian system still
23:04 dcook Yikes..
23:04 dcook No errors though... that's a good sign
23:04 dcook Did you mostly use defaults?
23:04 M_Sic Yep
23:05 dcook I think the default is still "chr" rather than "icu"
23:07 dcook So Zebra is running...
23:07 dcook Did you run manually?
23:07 M_Sic Yep; see it via ps aux and can see items via yaz-client
23:07 M_Sic I did and it saw the two items I had there
23:08 dcook Which user did you run as?
23:08 M_Sic ooh, I might actually have done it as root instead of as koha
23:08 dcook I can't recall for sure, but it might be worth rebuilding using the koha user
23:09 M_Sic trying that now
23:10 M_Sic And have to head out. I'll try that later and hopefully will be happy by this evening. Thanks for your suggestions.
23:10 dcook Sorry I couldn't be of more help
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