IRC log for #koha, 2014-11-06

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00:14 dcook Nope. Used up all our leave on Europe ;)
00:14 dcook Oh well. I'll stop mourning the conference :p
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00:24 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
00:24 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
00:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #203: FIXED in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U14/203/
00:33 wizzyrea @marc 008
00:33 huginn wizzyrea: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
00:33 bag heya wizzyrea
00:33 wahanui i heard wizzyrea was a fan of selecting hunks for committing.
00:33 wizzyrea hi bag :)
00:33 bag say hi to trea when you see him - give him a high five from me
00:34 bag that dood is rad
00:35 wizzyrea hehe
00:35 trea o/ HIGH FIVE \o
00:36 bag noice
00:36 bag what's up man
00:36 wizzyrea highfive
00:36 wahanui o/* HIGHFIVE *o
00:36 wizzyrea there it is.
00:36 trea hi bag
00:36 trea oh you know, starting dart gun fights in the office
00:36 trea the usual
00:36 bag excellent
00:37 trea how are you sir
00:37 trea how's the dragon
00:37 bag trea I took Ginny voting with me last night - she cried when we left and said "more voting"
00:37 bag next year sweetie next year :P
00:38 bag she totally balls of fun.  everything is fun fun fun.  then you fall over cry for a bit and then more of having THE fun!
00:38 trea that's a fun age
00:38 dcook hehe
00:38 bag how's THE spud
00:38 trea good good. losing teeth and all that
00:38 trea becoming obsessed with transformers
00:38 bag ah fun
00:39 wizzyrea such obsess.
00:39 trea i've created a monster
00:39 bag nice - toys? the movies?
00:39 bag the cartoon?
00:39 bag or all of it
00:39 trea yeah, the orig cartoon
00:40 trea we got an optimus and grimlock toy the other day
00:40 trea the majority of our day involves humming the orig theme song
00:40 wizzyrea ...even when we're not together.
00:40 bag :)
00:40 bag oh noes!  yeah I sing dinosaur train songs now all the time
00:41 bag the biggest dinosaur the biggest dinosaur
00:41 trea autobots ... msmddm.....slslkdjldj....djjjj...THE DECEPTICONS
00:41 * wizzyrea just wanders around singing "the decepticons... the decepticons... the decepticons..."
00:41 wizzyrea I think you mean
00:41 bag
00:41 wizzyrea autobots raging power to defeet the evil furces of THE DECEPTICONS
00:41 trea ohmy
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00:45 bag hola nengard
00:45 nengard hiya
00:46 bag waiting for your flight?
00:48 dcook Dinobots?
00:49 * dcook seems to recall a dinosaur/transformer crossover type thing...
00:49 trea indeed
00:49 wizzyrea dinobots
00:50 dcook :D
00:53 nengard yes
00:54 nengard found a plug so i'm happy
00:54 nengard have to move soon though and go to my gate
00:56 dcook That reminds me of how they made me throw out my water at the gate in Abu Dhabi... even though I'd bought the water in the Abu Dhabi airport after going through security...
00:57 * dcook doesn't miss airports...
00:59 bag yeah dcook that happened to me - I bought a bottle of fernet in argentina and then in panama they made me throw it away before getting on the plane (I was so annoyed)
00:59 dcook Ugh! That sounds much worse :(
00:59 bag I didn't have to go through security again, but had to have my bag scanned before getting on the US flight :(
01:00 dcook Mmm, I think I've had that happen
01:00 dcook In SF, I thought I'd have to go through security twice, but they let me go around (although they scanned my bag).
01:00 bag they scanned me :P
01:01 bag heh me = bag :P
01:01 dcook Just as I was grabbing my bag and leaving, I was told to stop by someone with a rather brusque way
01:01 dcook Turned out he just wanted to compliment my tshirt :p
01:01 dcook hehe. bag. :p
01:01 bag ha
01:02 dcook I heard about someone getting pulled out of a security line up because they had a Linux tshirt on
01:02 dcook The guard wanted recommendations on the best distro to use at home :p
01:02 wizzyrea haha linux evangelism, I like it.
01:02 dcook hehe
01:03 dcook For me, it just means I'm never wearing anything geeky in an airport, if I want to move with any amount of speed :p
01:03 * bag digs out his - don't f@#k with me tshirt
01:03 bag well honestly I don't have one
01:04 dcook I don't think they'd like that either :p
01:04 dcook Actually, I know a former airport security guard. Apparently, he used to delight in teasing passengers.
01:05 dcook Especially when he knows who they are but they don't know who he is
01:05 dcook (He knew my sister's American boyfriend from photos, but the boyfriend didn't know the guard/family friend.)
01:05 dcook O_O
01:05 dcook Ok, enough airports. Back to BSort1 and BSort2.
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01:08 wizzyrea Airport guards should be only one thing: courteous and friendly.
01:08 wahanui wizzyrea: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
01:08 wizzyrea two things.
01:08 dcook hehe
01:08 wizzyrea teasing is right out.
01:08 dcook Agreed
01:08 wizzyrea because you can't tease them back.
01:09 dcook Or you shouldn't
01:09 dcook Someone I know didn't appreciate the aggression a guard was giving them so they got a bit aggressive themselves
01:09 dcook I think it took them an extra hour or so to get out of the airport :p
01:09 wizzyrea oh that's a big mistake
01:10 dcook Yeah, they hadn't flown much before
01:10 wizzyrea only an hour
01:10 dcook Yeah, they were lucky
01:10 dcook International flight too
01:10 wizzyrea i'm happy to fly in NZ, very pleasant
01:10 wizzyrea half of the time you don't go through security because the planes aren't big enough to make it to another landmass.
01:11 bag I've never really had a problem with TSA - but I saw this horrible situation where a woman was afraid of dogs and this custom agent was yelling at her while she had a customs-dog with them...
01:11 bag she didn't speak a word of english and the customs agent was just really really rude
01:11 wizzyrea they snuffle people with beagles in NZ customs, adorable things.
01:11 bag the agent wanted the woman to come over to her - and she wouldn't cause of the dog
01:12 bag I spoke up and said - she's afraid of the dog - the agent was a snot to me - telling me to mind my own business...
01:12 bag I went over and grabbed the womans luggage and dragged it over to the agent and stood there until the woman saw what I was doing - so she came over
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01:12 bag agent put me through extra screening (ha) I didn't have anything to hide
01:13 bag I felt so embarassed to be from the same coutnry as that agent
01:13 dcook :(
01:13 dcook I know those feels
01:13 dcook The embarrassment. Not the fear of dogs.
01:14 bag and I was all high on meeting such great people in china and thailand and just had such a great respect for other cultures (and was already embarassed at my country's sterotypes etc)
01:14 dcook Although it seems rather horrible when people who are afraid of dogs are confronted by their fears.
01:14 bag yeah dcook I mean you could clearly she the woman was terrified of dogs
01:14 dcook :(
01:14 bag and it wasn't a cute little beagle - it was a big german sheppard
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01:15 rangi there was a MAF guy in auckland being a dick to a woman who i think was spanish, she spoke no english anyway, did the typical talk louder cos that suddenly makes people understand
01:16 rangi about her shoes (if she had been in dirt or stuff)
01:16 rangi but his colleague who was a massive samoan guy said, 'stop being a dick' which stopped it
01:16 bag AWESOME
01:17 bag I would have been fined or something for laughing too loud at that
01:17 dcook Wow... that's rad that he stopped
01:17 rangi generally the nz ones are pretty good
01:17 bag yeah that's what you've always said tan
01:17 bag rangi:
01:17 bag not tan
01:17 bag :P
01:17 dcook As for german sheppards, the pub by my house now uses them for security
01:18 rangi you can be unlucky, get someone at the end of a shift, with like 10 flights all coming in
01:18 dcook The night I got back from Europe, the one actually leapt for my throat, but the handler was big enough to keep them back.
01:18 rangi altho ive been lucky at LAX too
01:18 dcook Fun times walking on the sidewalk in my own neighbourhood :S
01:18 rangi with the customs/tsa
01:18 rangi its just the airport itself sucks at lax
01:18 dcook Yeah, I've had pretty good experience with customs/tsa overall
01:18 bag my trip to argentina was a bit more rough this time - but that was my own fault
01:19 rangi cept that one time with bag, when we were on the way to ALA
01:19 rangi i think that was about the best time ive had in LAX
01:19 rangi the flight back was a bit more dramatic tho
01:19 bag yeah
01:19 rangi we had to land in arizona i think .. at an airforce airstrip?
01:20 bag yeah actually rangi I ended up playing baseball this year right next to that strip we landed on
01:20 bag and the doctor was the sitting right next to us too - right?
01:20 dcook O_O
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01:21 rangi ohh thats right
01:21 bag yeah dcook some old man had a heart attack
01:21 bag the doctor was doing CPR for about 15 minutes or so before they got him off the plane
01:22 bag the doctor actually said - that was the first time he's had to do CPR and use a defibulator in the "wild"
01:23 dcook Wow... intense
01:23 bag ok I gotta head home - night night y'all
01:23 dcook nighters
01:23 rangi cya bag
01:23 dcook The wild...
01:23 dcook Oh man. When my wife went to hospital earlier in the year, there was a guy who couldn't speak English whose foot was turning black.
01:23 dcook He had no insurance and no idea what was going on.
01:24 dcook No idea what ever happened to him, but I can't imagine it was good...
01:24 dcook Makes me wonder about the guy on that plane with the heart attack as well
01:25 rangi yeah dunno what happened with him
01:25 dcook I guess not, eh? Sounds like quite the drama.
01:30 wizzyrea cpr for 15 minutes would be highly taxing
03:58 dcook Hmm, I'm not sure the "AllowRenewalLimitOverride" system preference works in 3.14...
03:58 dcook Or maybe it just doesn't work the way I expect
03:58 dcook Probably the latter
04:01 dcook Oh wait...
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04:09 dcook It does indeed work :)
04:09 dcook Just not when a hold is on the item
04:09 dcook Which makes sense
04:10 dcook (Forgot to tick the Override Renewal Limit box)
04:10 dcook Now to remember how to figure out messaging preferences in the DB...
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05:30 dcook I hate wysiwyg editors...
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05:44 bag hola
05:44 wahanui kia ora, bag
05:55 cait hola :)
06:07 bag heya cait is it morning time already there?
06:15 cait yeah, 7:15
06:15 cait normally leaving around quarter to 9 - not an early morning person
06:17 bag heh
06:17 dcook That moment when you have a brainwave just as 5:15pm hits...
06:17 * dcook wonders how fast he can work...
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06:21 wizzybobizzy bananafannafofizzymemymomizzy wizzyyyyy
06:22 wizzybobizzy also hi
06:22 cait hi wizzy? :)
06:22 wizzybobizzy hello :)
06:22 cait why has the number of bug reports gone up again? :(
06:22 wizzybobizzy errrr
06:22 cait well reported bugs are good bugs
06:22 cait but... hmpf :)
06:23 wizzybobizzy dearest cait, they will never be completely gone.
06:23 cait But... but...
06:23 * wizzybobizzy pats cait
06:23 wizzybobizzy there there
06:23 wizzybobizzy our job is never finished, our work never done.
06:24 wizzybobizzy speaking of bugs
06:24 cait oh
06:24 wizzybobizzy you have any you're desperate for a sign off on?
06:24 cait hm let me see :)
06:25 cait bug 12851
06:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12851 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , order tags are not removed on claiming serials/orders
06:25 cait bug12847
06:25 cait with a good test plan how to break it - that seems to be the difficult bit
06:26 cait bug 12555
06:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12555 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The DelItem subroutine should be called on canceling a receipt
06:26 cait bug 12505
06:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12505 normal, P5 - low, ---, simith.doliveira, Needs Signoff , Variable aqorders.listprice from 'Tools' - 'Notices and Slips' Does not work
06:26 cait bug 12250 :)
06:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12250 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update descriptions for languages, scripts and regions
06:26 wizzybobizzy interestingly I think that is one I might actually have a client who is experiencing.
06:26 cait bug 7380
06:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7380 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Can't filter patron search on detail page
06:27 wizzybobizzy hm yeah I can probably get to some of those.
06:27 cait bug 12823- documenting a new feature better
06:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12823 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Add some hints for Host, Database and SRU search fields mappings
06:28 cait ah and maybe bug 13211 from amit - it's adding a pref for something that is already implemented but needs you to add a local use preference
06:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Added: GoogleIndicTransliteration as a System Preference
06:28 cait and sorry for it being a long list... there is lots of good stuff still waiting
06:32 wizzybobizzy don't be sorry :)
06:34 wizzybobizzy that is, if I can make my shiny new kohadevbox work >.> but I'm sure I can.
06:34 cait :)
06:34 cait i still have to try it
06:35 cait have heard good things
06:35 wizzybobizzy so far it is not terrible
06:42 cait @later tell ashimema could you take a lok at bug 10582? i have signed it off and can't :)
06:42 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
06:56 cait morning ashimema - i know you are awake, i can read your bug comments! :)
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07:06 ashimema morning
07:06 ashimema bug 10582
07:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10582 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Koha OPAC URL shows Perl error message before web installer was run
07:07 ashimema one tic.. just writing a counter patch for the caching bug
07:07 ashimema bug 12904
07:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Force browser to load new javascript files after upgrade
07:20 bag heya ashimema
07:20 wahanui i think ashimema is on qa now .)
07:20 ashimema hey bag
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07:35 marcelr hi #koha
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07:38 marcelr hi mveron
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07:41 ashimema do we require mod_rewrite ?
07:41 rangi yes
07:42 ashimema I know there are some rewrite rules in the default configs.. but are we required as devs to degrade gracefully..?
07:42 ashimema oh.. you answered before I finished :)
07:42 rangi mod_rewrite is required, the configs wont load without it
07:43 ashimema any chance you could take a very quick glance at my alternative patch to bug 12904 rangi?
07:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Force browser to load new javascript files after upgrade
07:43 rangi has been since about 2006
07:43 rangi looks fine to me
07:43 ashimema brill.. I thought that was the case.. but worth checking before adding a rule :)
07:43 rangi however i think we need to do it for css too
07:44 rangi or you end up with a mess still
07:44 ashimema I completely agree.. that was going to be my next followup ;)
07:44 ashimema I'll followup with a css one too.
07:44 rangi and once its tested properly, up the cache time
07:44 ashimema exactly my thoughts..
07:44 ashimema though to be fair.. i can't remember how to do that.. it's setting it in the headers isn't it.
07:45 rangi yep
07:46 mveron Good morning #koha
07:46 rangi ExpiresByType text/css "access plus 12 hours"
07:47 rangi if you look in /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf
07:47 ashimema personally.. I'd even like to see the js and css sysprefs written out to file with a hash appended and then linked to instead of embedded..
07:47 ashimema would allow us to cache those too ;)
07:47 ashimema ooh.. awesome..
07:47 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
07:47 ashimema thanks rangi.
07:48 rangi yep
07:49 ashimema do you agree that 'my way' is better than kyles rangi..?
07:50 ashimema before I go to the effort of extending the basic counter patch ;)
07:51 rangi yes
07:52 bag ok time to head home night night
07:52 rangi most proxies wont see his versions as different files, so wont fetch new ones
07:52 ashimema k, cheers
07:52 ashimema night bag
07:52 rangi and conversely lots of browsers will see it as dynamic and never cache
07:52 ashimema I thought that was the case... I don't think he quite understood Owens comment
07:52 rangi kinda lose lose
07:53 ashimema I think my patch bascially impliments the best feature of mod_pagespeed.. without the overhead of the rest of the stuff mod_pagespeed has..
07:53 rangi yeah
07:53 ashimema great.. I'm happy then.
07:54 rangi its exactly what we do with
07:54 rangi[…]c/css/all.min.css
07:54 ashimema now I just need to find the right regex to find all the css imports and replace them with versioned ones..
07:54 rangi time stamp of when the packages were built
07:54 ashimema cool.. always ncie to be varified :)
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07:56 rangi what we should do eventually is make a really simple tt filter
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07:57 ashimema very much.. but I've never delved into that area of tt so far ;)
07:57 rangi[…]tml/slide002.html
07:57 alex_a bonjour
07:57 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
07:57 ashimema was meant to be a quick fix this morning..
07:57 ashimema that's a tad simple looking :)
07:57 rangi then we can just put | $Cachebuster
07:58 rangi or something
07:58 wahanui hmmm... something is sketchy
07:58 rangi on every url we want
08:00 ashimema that would certainly be an improvement.
08:02 rangi hmm that reminds me
08:02 rangi[…]tml/slide003.html
08:02 rangi i wrote this plugin, its in koha .. i should start work restructuring tt files into smaller chunks that we can cache
08:03 ashimema Yeah.. I just spotted that slide and was wondering about it
08:03 ashimema are there any examples of it's use in the wild?
08:03 ashimema I'm still nto up to speed on how the template caching works. ;)
08:04 rangi theres 2 levels
08:04 rangi we cache the rendered perl on the server
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08:05 rangi thats the bit defined in C4::Templates
08:05 cait morning
08:05 cait hi rangi
08:05 wizzybobizzy @wunder nzwn
08:05 huginn wizzybobizzy: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:30 PM NZDT on November 06, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
08:06 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]Plugin/Cache.html
08:06 rangi that caches the rendered html
08:06 rangi (or xml, or whatever)
08:06 rangi ie the finished product
08:07 rangi so for things like the top nav, side nav, bottom etc
08:07 rangi which is the same on all the pages, but does a bunch of db queries each time, and runs some perl to generate it
08:07 rangi we could cache them in whatever caching we defined in Koha::Cache (could be fastmmap, memcached etc)
08:08 ashimema I see.. nice..
08:08 ashimema We'de need a way to override/refresh the cache still though right?
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08:08 rangi just put a ttl on it
08:08 ashimema for say, a syspref change that affects said block?
08:09 rangi yep, have a 5 min ttl
08:09 ashimema oooh.. I see what your saying now :)
08:09 rangi the stuff gets rendered once every 5 mins
08:09 ashimema awesome.. that would lead to a pretty big performance improvement.
08:09 rangi even if 30000 people hit it in that time
08:09 ashimema love it..
08:09 rangi yeah, if you structure things right, you can make things fly
08:10 ashimema sorry.. breakfast time and family are calling..
08:10 ashimema be back shortly :)
08:10 rangi no worries
08:10 ashimema thanks rangi.. you've inspired me again :)
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08:14 wizzybobizzy crikey our git repo is huge.
08:14 reiveune hello
08:14 wizzybobizzy hi
08:14 wahanui que tal, wizzybobizzy
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08:34 ashimema yup...
08:34 ashimema too big
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08:35 gaetan_B hello
08:35 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
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08:43 ashimema damn we include css files in allot of files.
08:44 wizzybobizzy what do you think of this
08:45 wizzybobizzy I had a comment about that page, that it seemed confusing
08:45 cait looks ok to me - only the tile might be a little short
08:47 wizzybobizzy vs this
08:47 wizzybobizzy the comment I had
08:48 wizzybobizzy was that people thought they could search, say, a title, or an author, but not both
08:48 wizzybobizzy and of course you can do that.
08:48 wizzybobizzy cait not sure what you mean about the title?
08:49 wizzybobizzy I didn't change that part ^.^
08:49 cait ah, ok :)
08:50 cait ah right, it's normally 2 columns
08:50 cait i get it nw
08:51 gaetan_B it does make much more sense to me with only one column indeed!
08:52 cait yeah :)
08:52 wizzybobizzy maybe I'll send the screencaps to a couple librarians.
08:53 cait i didn't even remember it should be 2 columns .)
08:53 wizzybobizzy haha
08:53 cait I think that's a sign it makes much more sense like that
08:54 wizzybobizzy hehe
08:54 wizzybobizzy it's a pretty oft-used interface
08:56 paxed wizzybobizzy: i like it diesn't take any more space, but still allows for lots more target servers.
08:56 paxed doesn't*
08:56 wizzybobizzy hm that's also a good point
08:56 paxed also, it should probably reorder the search fields a bit - author after title, isbn and issn should be also one after another, etc.
08:57 wizzybobizzy it does increase the number of servers you can get on the screen before you have to scroll
08:57 wizzybobizzy yeah good point there too
08:57 wizzybobizzy I think most people start with ISBN/ISSN
08:57 wizzybobizzy then title/author
08:57 wizzybobizzy just watching the way people use it
08:58 ashimema I actualyl quite like the two column layout.. though aggreee that they should be contained in the same blue box.. not two seperate ones ;)
08:58 paxed we've got 9 targets, and that already causes scrolling.
08:59 wizzybobizzy yeah that was going to be my next idea
08:59 paxed with your layout, it probably won't
08:59 cait paul_p: gonna see you in december :)
08:59 wizzybobizzy one box, 2 columns
08:59 paul_p cait yeah ! (you'll help me understanding & translating DE>EN if needed ;-) )
09:00 wizzybobizzy this one was actually kind of a pleasant surprise in the intermediate stages of thinking about this screen ;)
09:00 cait paul_p: we will see :) are you going to the dinner?
09:00 wizzybobizzy a "oh, I hadn't thought about doing it that way" sort of surprise.
09:05 paul_p cait yep
09:06 cait paul_p: me and the coworker will attend too
09:06 cait meeting now :) bbl
09:06 paul_p cait so I'll meet your co-worker ! (I started to think he did not exist ;-) )
09:11 wizzybobizzy right, off I go later peeps. :)
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09:38 Joubu Hello
09:38 Joubu cait: I don't have any occurrences of GetBookSeller in serials/ (bug 12896). Could you confirm?
09:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12896 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Move the bookseller-related code into its own module
09:57 Joubu marcelr: hi! What means "Degree (complete with 0):" (bug 13203) ?
09:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13203 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Plugin housekeeping: UNIMARC field 123i, 123j, 210c
09:58 Joubu marcelr: Does it should be 000 for degree and 00 for the 2 others?
10:04 paxed what's the easy way to delete most of the database biblios &c, just leave enough to work as a test db?
10:12 cait paul_p: i have many coworkers - this is not the Koha one :) she is working on the union catalog team
10:14 cait Joubu: i tested on master from yesterday and the claims page exploded with the patches - i checked after I did the git grep
10:14 cait Joubu: are you testing on a super current branch?
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10:15 cait hi Viktor
10:15 Viktor Hi cait :)
10:15 Joubu cait: I let a note, you certainly forgot to apply the deps
10:15 Viktor And greetings all of #koha
10:15 cait Joubu: oh
10:15 cait[…]e18af7a9cb79a#l27
10:16 cait Joubu: thought they were all pushed
10:16 Joubu no, 1 is missing
10:16 cait 12852?
10:16 Joubu yep, pqa
10:16 cait i think if that's the only thing i can pass qa on it tonight - i already tested acq up and down when i ran into it :)
10:17 cait i have the test report to proof it :)
10:22 Viktor btw - return by 23:59 when the library closes 18:00 is a bit silly. Can we hide the hh:mm-part from receipts and notes?
10:24 Viktor (or make the timestamp respect the opening hours by specifying not only open days but also open hours somewhere in the calendar)
10:34 cait Viktor: which version are you using?
10:35 cait it hink the display got a bit better in the newer ones - not showing the 23:59
10:35 Viktor Hm. Thinks it's been that way since we started on 3.6 or something. But currently we are on 3.16.4
10:36 Viktor Ah - that would be great. We updated recently so I'll check it :)
10:36 cait hm i can't check righ tnow - it might be only in some places, or it's in 3.18 - not really sure sorry
10:37 Viktor No problem. I can do a "git pull" on my dev and check if it's on it's way :) Just didn't know anyone had bothered to fix it.
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10:48 cait Viktor: if you see places it's not ok, please let me know - i also think that the 23.59 makes no sense for libraries that don't do hourly loans :)
10:52 Viktor cait: It's in 3.16.04 at lest - and it's even 23:59:00 :)
10:54 Viktor cait: my dev was a bit behind but I can see now that it's on "slip" and "quick slip" in 3:17 too.
10:56 marcelr thx Joubu++
10:58 Viktor cait: If it's useful for hourly loans I guess we can't remove it but should rather add the possibility to define opening hours in the calendar(?)
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12:08 paxed damnit. zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 109
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12:31 tcohen morning
12:32 tcohen it seems I left the IRC open when I left work yesterday
12:36 tcohen cait: around?
12:36 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:36 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 25.9°C (9:30 AM ART on November 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
12:38 cait around now for 20 mins
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12:53 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:59 cait hi oleonard :)
12:59 cait Joubu: i had asked on bug 13190 about the check-in export (from the toolbar) - liz said it works for her, so I'd drop that
12:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13190 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Export checkout list does not work anymore
13:02 Joubu cait: yep, I tested this morning and it works for me too
13:06 oleonard When is string freeze?
13:14 oleonard[…]i/Roadmap_to_3.12 <-- That would be a nice thing to continue to do.
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13:23 tcohen oleonard: i should have written a roadmap like that
13:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13103: No checkouts count on member details page <[…]3f0fe2cd85e7a00da> / Bug 13194: Fix typo in SetMessagingPreferencesFromDefaults POD <[…]4f50d85fbbff9a529> / Bug 13190: Refactor the checkouts table template code <
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13:44 cait oleonard: i am not sure we et an absolute date yet, but I like the idea
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14:01 chris_n when running I'm getting "read error at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser/ line 470." Any ideas on what might be wrong? Maybe some syntax problem in my koha-conf.xml?
14:01 oleonard chris_n: From the command line? Package install?
14:02 chris_n from the cli and it is a package install
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14:02 chris_n seemed to work fine a few weeks ago
14:03 oleonard Someone told me the way to do that just the other day, now what was it?
14:03 cait hm usng koha-shell?
14:03 oleonard Yes, that's it
14:04 chris_n koha-shell?
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14:05 chris_n wow!
14:05 * chris_n has been out of touch
14:05 oleonard chris_n: I was asking about running the tests and was told to use ' sudo koha-shell -c "prove" <instance> '
14:05 * oleonard had to consult the irc log... should write that down somewhere...
14:06 cait chris_n: it will set the env variables and everything correctly for you :)
14:08 chris_n cool!
14:08 chris_n that worked
14:08 cait koha++ :)
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14:09 chris_n eythian++
14:09 chris_n koha++ #too
14:09 chris_n oleonard++
14:09 chris_n cait++
14:09 chris_n for pointing me in the right direction
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14:16 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
14:16 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #216: FIXED in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/216/
14:16 jenkins_koha * Amit Gupta: Bug 13144: Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
14:16 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 12892 : Alternate fix to restore the deleted code
14:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13144 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
14:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13190: Reintroduce the checkouts export feature
14:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13190: Refactor the checkouts table template code
14:16 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 13194: Fix typo in SetMessagingPreferencesFromDefaults POD
14:16 jenkins_koha * Rafal Kopaczka: Bug 13103: No checkouts count on member details page
14:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen
14:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13190 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Export checkout list does not work anymore
14:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13194 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Tiny typo in POD for SetMessagingPreferencesFromDefaults
14:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13103 trivial, P5 - low, ---, rkopaczka, Pushed to Master , No checkouts count on member details page
14:17 cait aaah.... the 'sound' of new features and fixes going into koha
14:17 cait so nice
14:27 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
14:27 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #222: FIXED in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/222/
14:27 jenkins_koha * Amit Gupta: Bug 13144: Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
14:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 12892 : Alternate fix to restore the deleted code
14:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13144 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13190: Reintroduce the checkouts export feature
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13190: Refactor the checkouts table template code
14:27 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 13194: Fix typo in SetMessagingPreferencesFromDefaults POD
14:27 jenkins_koha * Rafal Kopaczka: Bug 13103: No checkouts count on member details page
14:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen
14:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13190 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Export checkout list does not work anymore
14:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13194 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Tiny typo in POD for SetMessagingPreferencesFromDefaults
14:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13103 trivial, P5 - low, ---, rkopaczka, Pushed to Master , No checkouts count on member details page
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14:43 cait oleonard: are you around?
14:44 oleonard Yes
14:44 cait I have a tricky jquery question
14:44 cait bootstrap opac result list - select all
14:44 cait i have a library that wants to change the text
14:44 cait but my usual replace technique is not working... because there is some other javascriptfor that element executed later in the page
14:44 cait is there a way?
14:45 cait and shoudl we put the opacuserjs at the end of the page maybe? this is 3.16.3, not sure if something changed
14:46 cait we had tried: $("#selections-toolbar span a:contains('Alle auswählen')").text('Aktuelle Trefferseite auswählen'); - but it doesn't work from opacuserjs, only in the firebug console
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14:52 tgoat another addendum to Nunavut:[…]0Addendum%205.pdf
14:53 cait tgoat: wrong channel ;)
14:53 tgoat thank calt
14:53 tgoat thanks
14:53 tgoat cait
14:53 tgoat too early .. I need my glasses
14:55 oleonard Sorry cait got pulled away for a moment. I'm taking a look.
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14:56 cait oleonard: was worried i scared you off and that iw as missing something obvious .)
15:06 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "Run script on window load instead of document load" (4 lines) at
15:09 oleonard cait ^^
15:10 cait oho! will test, thx!
15:10 cait oleonard++
15:12 cait it works, thank you!
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15:34 cait bgkriegel++
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15:37 plato hi
15:38 plato anyone wants to help a newbie?
15:39 * plato slaps stigbd around a bit with a large fishbot
15:41 oleonard plato: Help you move into a new apartment? Jump start your car? Peel 50 pounds of shrimp?
15:42 jcamins oleonard: even granted how much my wife likes shrimp, I don't think we could finish 50 lbs in a year.
15:43 oleonard jcamins: Fine, there goes your Christmas present.
15:44 jcamins oleonard: I'll just keep these 50lbs of fudge to myself!
15:44 jcamins :P
15:44 plato what should i do to let my friends access koha that i set up on my computer over internet. im really a newbie. would be great if you give me something to search on google
15:47 ashimema oleanoard about?
15:47 jcamins plato: you'll need to run Koha on a server that is accessible over the internet. That's actually it, though you'll probably want to set up DNS so that your friend can go to instead of
15:47 ashimema oleonard about?
15:47 oleonard Yes ashimema
15:47 wahanui ashimema is, like, on qa now .)
15:47 ashimema do you fancy taking a look at bug 12904 now i've posted an alternative?
15:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Force browser to load new javascript files after upgrade
15:48 oleonard wahanui: You should give him a crown to wear
15:48 wahanui oleonard: what?
15:48 ashimema pretty please :)
15:49 oleonard ashimema: Sure. But what I really want is for some people with bigger brains than mine to comment.
15:50 plato oleonard: is it possible to configure my computer to make it an accessible server over the internet or is it about my isp too?
15:50 jcamins plato: you'll have to work with your ISP.
15:50 jcamins And they almost certainly will not allow you to do it if you just have a regular internet connection.
15:50 jcamins ashimema: FWIW, I don't like it
15:51 plato is it allowed here to recommend some servers that make it?
15:51 jcamins ashimema: rewriting the path seems more common.
15:52 jcamins plato: pretty much any hosted server with root access will work. Linode, Amazon EC2, DigitalOcean, Rackspace... gazillions of others, too.
15:53 jcamins ashimema: so, /[% KOHA_VERSION %]/whatever.js
15:53 jcamins ashimema: also, YUI is not subject to changing, so I dislike the idea of forcing the browser to reload it every upgrade.
15:54 * jcamins goes back to what he's supposed to be doing.
15:54 plato jcamins: thank you so much
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15:55 oleonard ashimema: It doesn't apply for me on master
15:56 jcamins ashimema: I didn't test it or anything, I just took "In Discussion" as an excuse to discuss.
15:56 ashimema thanks for the comments jcamins..
15:56 ashimema hmm.. i'll see why it doens't apply..
15:58 ashimema yup..
15:58 ashimema master has moved on a tiny bit..
15:58 jcamins ashimema: I like the concept, though.
15:59 ashimema I'll rebase oleonard.. thanks for taking a look so quick..
15:59 ashimema hmm.. so.. rather than adapt the filenames, you'de adapt the path jcamins.
15:59 ashimema I've not seen it done that way around before..
16:00 ashimema fair point about YUI not changing.. but I felt it easier to do a patch for the whole lot than to shrink it down..
16:01 * oleonard shakes his fist at basketgroups
16:01 ashimema one reload every month (assuming you actually updating that often) shuoldn't really be too much of an issue ;)
16:01 ashimema what up ?
16:01 reiveune bye
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16:01 Joubu tcohen: If you have a list of bugs to follow for 3.18, please add bug 13215. Very bad bug, I hope the patch I have just submited fixes the problem without introduce too many others...
16:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13215 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , letter.code is considered as a primary key
16:01 jcamins ashimema: oh, I just dislike caching that many identical versions of YUI on principle. I don't see any real performance problem.
16:02 cait Joubu++ thx
16:02 Joubu cait: it needs to be tested quite wide...
16:04 cait I will try to take alook - but i have a time problem this week and next - I won't be around much
16:05 cait starting from saturday :(
16:05 ashimema K, rebase submitted oleanard..
16:05 ashimema however.. as I didn't obsolete Kyles original patch if your using git bz, you'll need to apply interactively and skip his first patch ;)
16:06 ashimema not expecting you to look immediately.. was more of an excited.. 'I think I've found the solution' :)
16:13 Joubu ashimema: just a quick note:
16:13 Joubu +[% USE Koha %] +[% SET KOHA_VERSION = Koha.Preference('Version') %]
16:14 Joubu maybe it is better to send the value to the template in C4::Auth
16:14 Joubu That's how it's done for this kind of variable, we will need it everywhere
16:15 ashimema Probably a good idea.. I did it this way as I based it on Kyles original patch..
16:16 ashimema As rangi said earlier though actaully.. what would be even better would be to create a tt plugin/filter to do the job for us..
16:17 Joubu ashimema: for instance, in, you use KOHA_VERSION, but forgot to define it :)
16:17 Joubu same in
16:17 Joubu (maybe I missed something, I just had a very quick look)
16:19 cait Joubu: I wonder if there is a case where a library wants to delete the default notice but have a specific one - for example the suggestion notices can not be deactivated - the only way is to delete it. So if one library wanted to use them, but another branch does not...
16:19 cait not sure if that would currently work. hm.
16:20 cait i agree about not using the same code in another module
16:20 Joubu cait: are you sure it does not work to delete the default one and keep the specific?
16:20 gaetan_B bye
16:21 cait Joubu: was not sure from your description- will need testing then :)
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16:26 ashimema oh poo.. I thought I'd caught over instance of that Joubu..
16:26 ashimema s/over/every
16:28 Joubu bye
16:31 cait bye :)
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16:39 ashimema I don't see any missing in Joubu..
16:39 ashimema[…]ug_12904?expand=1
16:40 ashimema compared to master with all the patches applied..
16:40 ashimema perhaps I should squash the set.. ;)
16:42 Joubu ashimema: I didn't manage to apply the patches, I just looked at the diff.
16:42 Joubu so yes, I certainly missed something :)
16:43 ashimema yeah.. I think I swept up all issues in the last commit..
16:43 ashimema which isn't very well named ;)
16:43 ashimema I'm squashing a set now.. it makes more sense that way ;)
16:44 tcohen back
16:44 ashimema hi tcohen
16:44 tcohen hi ashimema
16:44 ashimema yhows it all going?
16:48 tcohen pretty busy
16:48 tcohen trying to find the time to write regression tests...
16:48 tcohen for a big patch series...
16:49 ashimema good luck.
16:52 tcohen :/
16:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10582: Koha OPAC URL shows Perl error message before web installer was run <[…]756c6a2afe851658f> / Bug 13183 - Improve visibility of automatic on-site checkout rule when OnSiteCheckout... <[…]0de06a4e76abafaf9> / Bug 13043 - Remove incorrect link to unus
16:56 ashimema V:)
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17:17 pug Hi #Koha
17:19 nengard Coda was in the hospital for surgery, and now that she's home the doc said to put a shirt on her so she doesn't scratch - so I of course picked the Koha shirt:[…]56&type=1&theater
17:20 tcohen :-D
17:22 pug tcohen: I am using a multi site installation of Koha. And each library instance needs to have a separate sender email id. The email replay is currently through postfix. Do you know how to set separate sender email ids?
17:23 tcohen there is no SMTP configuration per-instance/branch
17:23 tcohen but you will be able to specify the from/reply-to on 3.18
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17:25 * cait waves
17:27 * cait just tried to drown her fitbit in the washing machine
17:27 cait fortunately, it didn't work
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17:34 pug tcohen: Thanks. You mean we will be able to specify from/reply-to per branch in 3.18?
17:37 cait reply to and return path addresses additionally to the branch email  yes
17:39 pug cait: Ok. Thanks! - and what is the scheduled release date for 3.18?
17:39 cait tcohen just sent an email about that - 28th of november
17:42 pug wow! cool. Just in time. Thanks a ton and god bless you guys for the great work :)
17:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #3 for job Koha Docs 3.16.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha Docs 3.16.x build #3: SUCCESS in 1 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]0Docs%203.16.x/3/
17:45 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix strange space on Appendix M programlisting
17:46 tcohen pug: 3.18 will be much more than that of course
17:47 pug tcohen: Im sure!
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17:54 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix strange space on Appendix M programlisting
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18:11 cait 7 am
18:11 cait easy from here this time of the year -12 hours currently
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19:06 oleonard The qa tools don't check for warns?
19:07 cait hm?
19:08 rangi morning
19:09 oleonard Hi rangi
19:11 cait morning
19:14 rangi
19:14 rangi ill just leave this here
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19:15 oleonard I thought that the QA test tools would give an error if your Perl script contained a "warn" line
19:15 rangi hmm that would be a good thing for them to do, a warn without a condition
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19:16 oleonard I must be thinking of a git hook
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19:31 rk hello everyone
19:32 rk is there anyone with Polish
19:36 oleonard The librarians here do *not* like AJAX circ after a few days' use.
19:42 jcamins oleonard: why not?
19:43 oleonard The "always show checkouts" option not "sticking" is a big reason I think. But even with checkouts automatically loading, I think the delay between the page load and the checkouts loading is perceived (whether accurately or not) as being a longer wait than before
19:44 jcamins Ah.
19:44 rangi whats the bug for the sticking one oleonard ?
19:44 rangi i can have a look at that over the weekend
19:45 oleonard I've submitted a patch already rangi, but we don't have it yet ;)
19:45 cait i think we got that fixed
19:45 cait hopefully :)
19:45 cait oleonard: i know what youmean,but not sure if it's real or not :(
19:45 rangi ahh right
19:46 oleonard Folks are also saying that automatic removal of restrictions isn't working right anymore but I'm having trouble getting the details
19:46 wahanui okay, oleonard.
19:47 oleonard It seems to be very confusing to people that renewals process dynamically within the list of checkouts, and that the old due date remains listed.
19:48 rangi it does?
19:48 rangi hmm yeah that would be confusing
19:49 cait oleonard++ # testing password reset
19:49 oleonard And this isn't working anymore:[…]-checkout-screen/
19:49 oleonard ...but it's my fault for not testing it before our upgrade :(
19:49 cait no it's not.
19:50 cait oleonard: did you file a report about the due date yet?
19:51 * cait is to blame formissing so many things in qa :(
19:51 oleonard Honestly I'm not sure what the right way to handle it is.
19:51 oleonard I can see that it might be useful to see the old due date along with the renewed date... maybe?
19:51 oleonard It might be that we just have to get used to it and it'll be fine. I don't know.
19:52 * magnuse thinks cait is awesome anyway - noone can catch 'em all
19:53 * oleonard too
19:57 oleonard Bye all
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20:08 wizzyrea magnuse - I have a couple of git aliases that let me do things like git qa <bugnumber> and it creates me a branch qa-bugnumber, based on a freshly fetched and rebased master - would that kind of stuff be useful for the kohadevbox?
20:08 cait oh
20:08 wizzyrea and git so <bugnumber> which lets me easily signoff and attach a bug
20:09 cait i like that - also the one to sign-off mulitple bugs at once
20:09 cait hm multiple patches at once
20:09 wizzyrea I don't know if my alias copes with multiple patches
20:09 * wizzyrea read what you meant
20:14 wizzyrea but it probably could.
20:15 wizzyrea :P
20:31 pianohacker cait: around?
20:32 cait nop
20:32 cait ee
20:32 cait maybe
20:32 cait perhaps
20:32 cait ok.
20:32 cait i am here
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20:33 pianohacker cait: hehe, okay. For bug 8133, were you hoping for an explanation on the bug or some explanatory text in the interface?
20:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
20:33 cait pianohacker: hoping for a step by step test plan and more documentation on the bug
20:33 cait i might be paranoid... but it still looks big
20:34 cait what happens when a library doens't add their opening times?
20:34 cait what effect has it when they do it?
20:34 cait stuff like that
20:34 wahanui i think stuff like that is why I want to chew people's legs off sometimes
20:34 pianohacker an apt response to that bug, wahanui
20:34 wahanui pianohacker: excuse me?
20:34 pianohacker you heard me
20:34 wizzyrea I was just thinking that
20:35 pianohacker cait: okay, I'll draw something up
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20:39 bag hola
20:40 wahanui que tal, bag
20:40 cait hola bag
20:40 bag heya cait
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21:20 cait can i get a signof for bug 13199 maybe? :)
21:20 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13199 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Incoherence between 'en' sample notices and translated notices
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21:39 magnuse bag: HI
21:39 magnuse wizzyrea: sure, patches are welcome! :-) or issues on github with suggestions
21:40 * magnuse falls asleep
21:40 bag magnuse: hi
21:41 wizzyrea hello, goodnight
21:41 wizzyrea ok
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22:59 bag @whoami
22:59 huginn bag: I don't recognize you.
22:59 bag boo
23:00 dcook @whoami
23:00 huginn dcook: I don't recognize you.
23:00 dcook Excellent. My disguise was successful.
23:00 bag :P
23:00 bag that's funny though
23:00 dcook Should huginn recognize you?
23:03 bag I think so
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23:36 dcook Yikes. Don't know how I didn't hear about this one:
23:47 dcook bag: is bug 7710 much of a priority over at bywater?
23:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , multiple holds per title
23:47 bag yes dcook we get asked like once a month about that one
23:51 wnickc VOKAL would love that one
23:52 wnickc good night
23:52 wahanui Don't go, wnickc. Stay a while. Stay forever.
23:55 wizzyrea yeah most libraries would love that one.

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