IRC log for #koha, 2014-06-20

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00:00 dcook I'm guessing not as it's not in the coding guidelines
00:02 dcook Just realized that my name is often sandwiched between "Charlton" and "Cormack" in release notes. Way to make me look bad, guys :p
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01:39 dcook Oooh I didn't know you could access elements of an array_ref with this syntax: $array_ref->[1]
01:39 dcook That's cool
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02:10 Tyler I just installed Koha through the Debian packages and when I navigate to either port 80 or 8080 on the target server, I get the default Apache "It works!" page.
02:10 Tyler I followed these instructions and have wiped and restarted three times now:[…]_packages_of_Koha
02:18 wizzyrea[…]able_Default_Site
02:19 wizzyrea please check the warning there, and make sure it doesn't apply to you.
02:22 Tyler I disabled the default site, and now I get the same "It works!" page on port 8080, but on port 80, I get "Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/perl5/ line 2054."
02:26 mtj Tyler: that error is to be expected on 80
02:26 mtj but your config for 8080 is not correct
02:26 Tyler I just reverted my VM back to a clean Debian install and am trying again.
02:26 mtj ..its still pointing to the default config
02:27 Tyler I think my issue is that in the koha-sites.conf file, I did not change the default INTRAPORT to 8080; default was 80
02:27 Tyler I was rushing and not reading carefully enough.
02:28 mtj sounds like you are pretty close, tho :)
02:28 Tyler I'm getting there! The wiki states "If you don't need DNS configuration and want to access Koha via IP only (often done for test installations), you can skip creating this file and you will get default values (OPAC on port 80 and Staff client on port 8080)."
02:28 Tyler Which is my theory is correct, is false.
02:29 mtj hmm, yeah, that could be false
02:30 mtj afaik, 8080 is not enabled by default
02:31 Tyler I assume that when I run koha-create, it references the koha-sites.conf file to create the virtual sites in apache?
02:31 mtj aaah, it explains that further...
02:31 mtj "Add also Listen 8080 (or whatever other port was chosen in the Initial Configuration section) if IP-based installation for intranet access. "
02:32 mtj Tyler: yep, correct
02:32 Tyler That did it!
02:33 Tyler That line in the wiki is somewhat misleading, but I probably paid too much attention to it.
02:34 mtj awesome
02:34 Tyler Now let's see if I can create patron categories since I am installed from the packages :)
02:40 Tyler It worked! Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it.
02:46 dcook exception?
02:46 dcook exception is[…]ling_in_perl.html
02:46 dcook exception?
02:46 wahanui exception is probably[…]ling_in_perl.html
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05:19 dcook Hmm to take advantage of Perl's poor OO security or to make a new child object and override the constructor...
05:20 cait hi dcook
05:20 cait :)
05:20 dcook hey cait :)
05:23 dcook Oh well. I'll just the prototype done then we'll see...
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06:40 dcook "common special case"
06:40 dcook Gotta love descriptions like that
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06:51 * magnuse waves
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06:53 reiveune hello
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
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07:09 fridolin hie all
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07:16 cait hi #koha
07:16 cait thx Joubu
07:17 Joubu cait: Hello
07:17 cait Joubu: about the other patch for search history - i am not sure if I had messed up my branch there - hope the comments make sense
07:17 Joubu you're welcome :)
07:18 Joubu cait: hum, not seen it yet
07:18 cait deleting single entries from the search history
07:19 cait :)
07:20 Joubu cait: i will test soon
07:24 cait :)
07:25 cait i started testing the rollover patch - a long awaited feature :)
07:27 Joubu cait: it's good to see you back for QA :)
07:32 Joubu cait: Did you have conflict on applying bug 11430?
07:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11430 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Search history: Delete selected lines
07:33 cait Joubu: yes - something about the javascript library
07:34 cait there is also still a reference to a file in the prog theme, i was not sure how to best remove that from th epatch
07:34 Joubu cait: yep, I just understood that the problem in at the intranet
07:35 Joubu I will update the patch modifying the opac prog theme
07:36 cait thx - not sure if the intranet problem with select/unselect was me (missing a patch) but can you please check if it works for you?
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07:40 Joubu cait: no I get the problem too
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07:43 cait ah
07:44 cait but i guess not so hard to fix?
07:45 Joubu cait: no, I am attaching the patches :)
07:45 cait :)
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09:28 cait moin drojf
09:28 drojf hi cait :)
09:30 nlegrand hey #koha !
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09:33 magnuse hiya drojf nlegrand ashimema
09:33 ashimema Hi magnuse.
09:33 drojf hi magnuse :)
09:35 nlegrand o/
09:39 magnuse \o/
09:40 * cait waves
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12:16 oleonard Hi #koha
12:22 nengard morning oleonard
12:26 magnuse kia ora oleonard and nengard
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13:43 vfernandes hi ;)
13:43 vfernandes when koha 3.16.1 will be released?
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13:46 yohann vfernandes : I think June 22, 2014
13:46 vfernandes ok ;) that gives me time to finish pt-PT translations
13:47 vfernandes 95% done
13:48 KCB Hi everyone! Quick question: does anyone know whether Koha is in use somewhere to power a music library?
13:54 KCB I'm asking because I've been tasked with getting a conservatory library digitized. I need features to import and query music score records in great detail.
13:56 nengard There is Goodspeed musicals that uses Koha
13:57 nengard it's a theater library - not a music library
13:57 nengard but it's close :)
14:01 oleonard KCB: Are music score records MARC records, or is your question about converting those records to a Koha-usable format?
14:06 nengard KCB here is a search for scores on goodspeed musicals: http://catalog.goodspeed.bywat[…]sort_by=relevance
14:07 KCB thanks nengard, seems like they're doing stuff that can be useful for me
14:08 KCB oleonard, our music score records now are mostly paper index cards...
14:09 oleonard KCB: In a way it's good to be starting from scratch since you can create a system that works well for you. Following others' example should be useful.
14:09 KCB it'd really be setting up a working system from scratch. I'm still in the process of learning about MARC21 etc to see if all the necessary fields can be expressed in it
14:10 KCB but, for example, we need to be able to tag every book with the instrumentation, so people can search for works that are "for oboe and 2 violins" or something like that
14:11 oleonard I wonder if there is a practice of using subject headings for that...
14:13 KCB We currently have a little custom-made database, still running in MS-DOS, which is called AllegroC. There, we use a string encoding for instrumentation. But we really need to move towards something webbased. Especially since with WinXP disappearing, MS-DOS support is also gone (WinXP is the last OS to run MS-DOS natively)
14:13 KCB I feel like being tasked with transforming the collection from the stone age to the internet age in one step :p
14:15 drojf KCB: are you from germany by any chance? (wondering because you use allegroC)
14:16 oleonard KCB: I would definitely reach out to any library you can find which is cataloging musical scores (including non-Koha ones) to learn from their catalogers.
14:17 KCB drojf: Belgium
14:18 drojf KCB: ah, ok. (sorry for being so curious^^)
14:18 KCB oleonard: I'm indeed trying to figure out whether someone somewhere has already done a similar job :)
14:19 KCB So far I found the Chopin Early Editions , which was done using Greenstone , and I'm testdriving Koha for the moment since Koha seems to be easier to setup and use.
14:23 nengard KCB: http://bcc.musiclibraryassoc.o[…]ic_Cataloging.pdf and[…]e/2000/scores.pdf and[…]music/musicat.htm might be helpful
14:23 KCB drojf: no crime to be curious :) Actually, should you be knowledgeable about AllegroC, I could use some pointers into porting data from one of their old versions (v14 I think) into MySQL ;)
14:24 KCB thanks nengard, awesome!
14:24 nengard :)
14:24 * nengard was a cataloger in a past life
14:24 nengard aka 7 years ago
14:24 drojf KCB: sorry. i only investigated it a little when i had to choose a system (and chose koha :) )
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14:26 oleonard nengard++
14:26 nengard :)
14:43 fridolin see u
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14:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #68 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #68: SUCCESS in 1 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/68/
14:50 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update OPACBaseURL with tip about http
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15:01 reiveune bye
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15:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #520: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/520/
15:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #521: STILL FAILING in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/521/
15:27 nengard why??? :(
15:27 nengard it's not telling me why :(
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15:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #522 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #519 1 day 0 hr ago)
15:34 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
15:34 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
15:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #522: FIXED in 2 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/522/
15:34 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update OPACBaseURL with tip about http
15:35 liw nengard, the 521 build seems to have failed because jenkins failed to update its copy of the git repository; I suspect networking problems
15:35 nengard well that's better than an error on my part :)
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15:43 KCB alright, gotta go - nengard, thanks again for the pointers to those papers, I know what to read this weekend :)
15:43 nengard :)
15:43 nengard enjoy
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16:26 cait bye all, have a nice weekend
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16:29 nengard_afk oleonard around?
16:29 oleonard Yes
16:29 nengard got time for css troubleshooting .... my least favorite thing on the planet?? :) hehe
16:30 oleonard Sure
16:30 nengard oleonard++
16:30 nengard Okay why are the links below the search box styled here:[…]koha/ but not here:[…]
16:33 grharry is there a way to query " find @and  @attr 1=Heading @attr 4=1   @attr 6=3 foo bar .... so "foo bar foo" will not appear first on the results ?? when foo , bar, foo are 2 separate fields !
16:34 grharry sorry
16:34 grharry I meant foo bar foo are 3 separate fields !!
16:34 jcamins grharry: no.
16:35 grharry :(
16:35 jcamins Well, that's not entirely fair.
16:35 jcamins Not with the existing Zebra configurations.
16:36 grharry no trick around it ???
16:36 jcamins Not with the existing Zebra configuration, no.
16:36 grharry what needs to be done ???
16:37 jcamins You'd need to write a new Zebra configuration that doesn't just chuck everything into the same index.
16:37 grharry hm
16:38 grharry for instance ...
16:38 grharry authority-koha-indexdefs.xml ???
16:38 jcamins Right.
16:38 grharry !!
16:39 grharry ok
16:39 grharry I can do that
16:39 grharry no
16:39 grharry big problem
16:39 wahanui well, big problem is that I forgot where I had left off, although, I could try to see from a diff.
16:40 oleonard nengard: I think it's a problem with the font delivery service
16:40 oleonard Firebug says the custom font isn't being found on the problematic page
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16:41 nengard interesting
16:41 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
16:41 nengard this time it's bad
16:41 oleonard nengard: But since I don't know how that font service works I don't know why it might be going wrong
16:41 nengard got it
16:41 nengard well i checked on their site on ccsr and it didn't work then either actually
16:41 nengard so i won't fuss about it
16:42 nengard the other thing that bugs me - but i can live with is
16:42 nengard see the header here: http://aarome.bywatersolutions[…]koha/ and then here:[…]koha/ -- too much white space on the second
16:42 oleonard nengard: It might be some kind of domain-matching problem? If the service is configured to expect certain referrers?
16:43 oleonard nengard: I see lots of whitespace differences between those pages. What in particular?
16:44 nengard well all of it ;) hehe but between the library name and the <hr>
16:44 * nengard hates meaningless whitespace
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16:45 oleonard nengard: There are a bunch of <br>s in the markup
16:45 * jeff hands nengard some Python
16:45 jeff :-)
16:45 nengard yes they're in both of them though
16:46 nengard if you remove them then the <hr> moves to the right and floats with the flags
16:46 nengard working with a design done by someone else and trying to hack it to work with bootstrap
16:46 nengard jeff never worked with python is it very clean?
16:47 jeff nengard: whitespace is significant in python, as opposed to meaningless. :-)
16:47 nengard oh!
16:47 nengard got it
16:47 nengard that works too
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16:48 oleonard nengard: I suggest you take out the <br>s and use CSS to make the whitespace work the way you want it to. Mixing CSS margin/padding with <br>s doesn't make sense
16:48 nengard so add a margin to the <hr> or to the flags?
16:49 oleonard Take out the <br>s and re-evaluate. Then adjust margin/padding where necessary.
16:49 nengard oleonard <br> remove d for you to see
16:50 nengard i'm thinking of removing the hr and making it a border bottom on the library name
16:51 oleonard That sounds like it could work
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16:53 nengard or that:[…]koha/
16:53 nengard the problem now is that the flags go away on small mobile screens
16:59 oleonard nengard: Not sure if it's causing visual problems, but when you add pixel dimensions to an image tag you should omit "px"
17:00 nengard okey dokey, will find those
17:01 nengard removed and still no flags on small small screens
17:01 oleonard Those images are scaling down to invisibility, so you need to experiment with overriding the default <img> style they're getting from the Bootstrap CSS
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17:13 nengard oleonard - not a fan of the word experiment ;) hehe
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17:39 oleonard Sorry nengard... All part of the game.
17:39 nengard yeah i know
17:39 * oleonard wishes #koha a good weekend
17:40 nengard you too!!
17:40 nengard thanks for the help
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19:04 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
19:04 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 20.0°C (3:00 PM ART on June 20, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
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21:49 magnuse @wunder boo
21:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (11:20 PM CEST on June 20, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
21:49 magnuse have fun #koha!
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22:07 markvandenborre hi all
22:07 markvandenborre I've successfully run test migrations before, but for some reason, they refuse to work right now
22:07 markvandenborre
22:08 markvandenborre using the tool
22:08 markvandenborre any hints what I might be doing wrong?
22:10 markvandenborre it doesn't seem to read any records from the source csv for some reason
22:10 markvandenborre I tried with both iso-8859-15 and utf8
22:10 markvandenborre the conversion tool doesn't complain at all, it just seems to refuse to read any source lines
22:11 markvandenborre running out of ideas a bit on where the problem could be...
22:14 markvandenborre @wunder riga
22:14 huginn markvandenborre: Error: No such location could be found.
22:15 markvandenborre @wunder riga, latvia
22:15 huginn markvandenborre: The current temperature in Baltic Container Terminal, RÄ«ga, Latvia is 9.9°C (1:06 AM EEST on June 21, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
22:25 markvandenborre hm, my git checkout of might not have been complete enough...
22:49 tcohen markvandenborre: i fail to understand what the expected and actual behaviour are
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