IRC log for #koha, 2014-05-19

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00:51 eythian oh yeah, Monday is quiet-channel day. I always forget that.
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03:11 dcook Translation...bleargh
03:12 dcook If only I could read Arabic
03:13 dcook Looks like the Arabic PO files are bad for 3.14 and master...
03:25 eythian rangi: sort by pubdate works now, and I fixed the sort_by URL issue (turned out I was setting it when I didn't need to be.)
03:25 rangi ahh nice
03:28 eythian you'll probably want to git pull, I restructured your stuff to handle creating the ES index mappings from the DB too.
03:29 * eythian starts to glare at facets now
03:29 rangi sweet
03:37 rangi dcook:
03:38 rangi you can get a bit of a tour of wellington :)
03:44 * dcook will take a look in a minute :)
03:47 * eythian adds $res->{facets} = { author => { terms => { field => "author.phrase" } } }; in the query builder. Facets now are returned.
03:47 rangi whoa, thats pretty sweet
03:49 dcook hehe. Rather dark tour of wellington, rangi :p
03:49 dcook Facets! \o/
03:52 eythian <-- dcook, this one will cancel it out then
03:52 eythian (it's more serious in a way, but kinda neat too.)
03:54 rangi oh that is cool
03:57 dcook Very cool :)
04:03 eythian rangi: we'll probably need to add all the 952 stuff to that mapping eventually, especially homebranch and such, so we can facet/search on that.
04:03 rangi yep, so far it only has local-classification
04:04 rangi 995 for unimarc
04:04 eythian[…] <-- t/hee
04:04 rangi heh
04:32 mtj_ hey rangi, eythian
04:33 eythian hi mtj_
04:33 mtj_ the ES work thats happening from catalyst is pretty exciting
04:34 mtj_ ive been looking out for it in the #koha scrollback :)
04:35 eythian :)
04:39 mtj_ is the ES hardware spec similar to SOLR?... or a bit more?
04:39 mtj_ just curious
04:39 eythian more but different
04:40 eythian i.e. designed to be a cluster, so you want multiple hosts
04:40 eythian if you ignore that requirement, around about the same.
04:59 mtj_ gotcha :)
05:04 dcook Internet Explorer 8 (and your whole line really), why do you suck so hard?
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05:06 eythian hi cait
05:06 cait hi eythian
05:06 eythian dcook: bad genetics
05:06 eythian dcook: or perhaps an abusive upbringing.
05:06 eythian it's hard to tell sometimes :)
05:07 cait *
05:07 cait ?
05:07 dcook hehe
05:17 cait you could reset the translation maybe - for testing. where it's not obvioushow to fix
05:17 cait killing the wrng translation or moving it into a comment
05:17 paxed hm. shouldn't the patron search input box have autocomplete=off?
05:18 dcook paxed: I think that's system preference based?
05:18 paxed oh?
05:18 eythian no, I think that's a different thing
05:18 eythian I assume paxed is talking about browser autocomplete
05:18 dcook eythian: Ah, yeah, good one
05:18 paxed eythian: right
05:18 dcook My bad
05:18 eythian not the magic dropdown search thing.
05:19 dcook cait: Good idea. I might have to give that a shot.
05:19 * dcook is more unhappy with IE 8 not handling DataTables in the quote editor though at the moment :p
05:20 paxed in a test environment you usually search for the same patron repeatedly. in production system, not so much. so setting autocomplete=off would be good, so the browser doesn't save it.
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05:21 dcook paxed: Good call
05:26 paxed bug 12283
05:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set autocomplete=off for patron search input
05:27 dcook :D
05:27 * dcook glares at IE some more
05:33 * eythian has to go to training, bye!
05:34 eythian (tempted to come back after and finish the facets stuff)
05:34 dcook Dew it!
05:35 * dcook just realized that he has chocolate at home...but not at the office...but is in a chocolate mood
05:35 dcook Taking a friend in the hospital some cupcakes...but morally wrong to sneak one in advance
05:50 cait dcook: try to distract yourself? :)
05:51 dcook I was doing a pretty good job until just then ;)
05:52 cait sorry :)
06:25 * magnuse waves
06:25 magnuse @wunder boo
06:25 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 12.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 19, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
06:25 magnuse summer!
06:25 wahanui summer is here now
06:25 magnuse looks like it!
06:25 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that?
06:26 magnuse wahanui: *you* just gave *me* the hard data!
06:26 wahanui magnuse: what?
06:26 magnuse :-)
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06:32 reiveune hello
06:32 wahanui what's up, reiveune
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06:49 alex_a bonjour
06:49 wahanui niihau, alex_a
06:50 dcook Not entirely sure what was going on in the end, but IE 8 was doing something weird in the quote editor
06:50 dcook aoColumnDefs > aoColumns
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07:02 gaetan_B hello
07:02 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B
07:04 dcook Man this quote editor is annoying..
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07:08 * magnuse waves to ashimema
07:09 ashimema morning all
07:10 dcook morning ashimema
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07:28 dcook Our config for fnReloadAjax doesn't even make sense..
07:28 dcook Alas, a patch shall have to wait for tomorrow...
07:29 magnuse come on, you know you want to do it now... ;-)
07:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #38 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
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07:32 * cait waves
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07:33 reiveune !ping
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07:34 marcelr hi #koha
07:35 magnuse hiya cait reiveune marcelr
07:36 marcelr hi magnuse
07:36 reiveune salut magnuse marcelr
07:36 marcelr and reiveune
07:36 wahanui i heard reiveune was working for biblibre
07:36 reiveune and cait :)
07:42 irma helloo mtj
07:45 magnuse howdy irma
07:48 cait hi all :)
08:07 magnuse hiya cait
08:26 ashimema hi cait
08:26 cait hi ashimema
08:26 ashimema hi magnuse
08:28 magnuse \o/
08:41 eythian <-- magnuse, cait, bag, dcook, whoever else was interested in elasticsearch facets
08:42 eythian There's some data issues still to deal with (probably reducing the fields that are considered for faceting) and doing something about the capitalisation, but it's a start.
08:42 ashimema nice work ethyian
08:42 ashimema eythian++
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08:43 fridolin1 hie all
08:43 eythian ashimema: if you've ever seen the zebra related stuff for facets, compare this, which is what I had to do for ES:
08:43 eythian $res->{facets} = {
08:43 eythian au      => { terms => { field => "author.phrase" } },
08:43 eythian "su-to" => { terms => { field => "subject.phrase" } },
08:43 eythian };
08:43 eythian that was it (and then convert the ES format to what Koha expected)
08:43 ashimema wow..
08:45 ashimema that appears to be much simpler.. though I'm not realyl well aqauinted with the current zebra code.. jsut that it's a nasty mess
08:45 eythian well, the zebra facets are all done with Koha perl code anyway, not zebra itself.
08:45 ashimema Really looking forward to the ES stuff now.
08:46 ashimema Yeah, we did work out how to do facets in zebra at kohacon I think.. but it never went much further.
08:46 ashimema shame realy.
08:46 cait eythian++
08:46 eythian yeah, it was slowish going getting the foundations in place, but it probably took me a total of 1 or 2 hours to a) figure out how to do it with es and b) actually do it.
08:46 ashimema I still don't think zebra is that bad.. we're just chronically misusing it.
08:46 magnuse yeah, it would be cool if someone could do proper zebra facets in koha
08:46 eythian Much quicker now that the base is built.
08:46 eythian definitely
08:46 magnuse eythian++
08:46 ashimema cool..
08:47 cait yeah, fixing zebra would also be nice
08:47 eythian though, there are other nice things about ES that we probably won't get out of zebra, e.g. 100% online reindexing. i.e. no search downtime while the indexes are being merged.
08:47 cait slightly worried about requirements for ES - but also very excited :)
08:48 eythian cait: well, I'm being careful to build it so that zebra will still work, all you have to do is change the relevant system preference.
08:48 cait eythian: shoudl't you do the tree thing?
08:48 eythian I've shimmed the zebra calls so they can behave the same as what I'm doing for ES.
08:48 eythian tree thing?
08:48 cait you always say that
08:48 eythian what do you mean?
08:48 cait make like a tree and get out of here? or something like that?
08:49 eythian oh right :)
08:49 cait ES too exciting? :)
08:49 ashimema :)
08:49 eythian nah, I just had training, and came back after to make that work because I knew I was really close to getting it.
08:49 cait heh
08:49 * ashimema saw where cait was going there..
08:49 eythian (came back anyway to drop my bike off.)
08:50 eythian I wonder where the numbers are coming from on the subjects...
08:50 eythian might just be bad data.
08:50 cait or $9
08:50 eythian actually, that's quite possible
08:50 eythian 9 (RLIN) 1576
08:50 cait hm i forgot who it was... wajasu?
08:51 eythian that's exactly it
08:51 cait working on zebra facetting, saw something similar on his screenshots
08:51 cait i thin it shows all subfields indexed in the author phrase maybe?
08:51 ashimema eythian, is ES relatively simple to get up and running.. wondering wether it's at a stage where I could clone the repo and play with it ;)
08:51 magnuse cait++ for remembering
08:51 cait and we really need capitalization :P
08:52 eythian cait: yeah, we can specify a subfield, or the whole tag. What I'll have to try to do is make it be smart and join them with -- or something.
08:52 cait eythian: while you are on it... could you make it use $9 for the actual link when ther is one?
08:52 eythian hmm
08:52 eythian maybe
08:52 cait flaw i the current facetting - but it never hurts to ask :)
08:53 cait not sure you need --
08:53 eythian the capitalisation thing is something I know how to fix, I just need to create a new subfield that is the literal field, rather than the analysed version.
08:53 magnuse eythian: where does the code live? a branch in the catalyst koha repo?
08:53 cait if you look at the current configs you can see we often have mutliple fields but no separator because they are supposed to be catalogued
08:53 cait maybe only for some fields you'll need it
08:53 cait maybe for the topical subjects,i know nothing about loc headings
08:53 eythian magnuse: yep, I'll find the link in a moment
08:54 eythian cait: at the moment everything is just a naive string, eventually we'll make it smarter and able to understand things that shouldn't be just plain strings, like subjects.
08:54 eythian and dates
08:55 cait eythian: i was only talking display :) the separator betweeen subfields is in the current configuration
08:55 cait so you shoudl be able to look up there which subfields and how to separate them
08:55 eythian oh, yeah.
08:55 eythian it's not hard to know how, I just don't know how to tell it to store them like that yet.
08:55 magnuse it would be cool if OPL used the same "index names" (not sure if that is what they are called in ES) for their linked data - then koha could maybe just use the indexed RDF data straight out of the box, and not care if it comes from rdf or marc
08:55 cait maybe we will need a display form and an index form?
08:56 cait i guess the all lowercase is because of that too
08:56 eythian cait: that's totally how it's working at the moment, I just don't have all the forms in there yet.
08:56 eythian[…]ds/elastic_search <-- magnuse
08:56 cait you'll get there
08:56 cait or I will fail qa :P
08:56 cait just joking :)
08:57 eythian magnuse: if you check it out, you'll have to add the elasticsearch_mapping table (from kohastructure) and the default mappings, which aren't complete yet, but are enough for us to do useful things.
08:57 magnuse eythian: thanks, sweet as!
08:57 eythian cait: :)
08:57 eythian cait: well, it's reached the point where each successive thing is easier, in general.
08:57 eythian though there are parts of ES I don't quite know how to drive yet, but I'm learning them.
08:59 ashimema excellent progress eythian.. I've been watching the repo with baited breath.
09:01 eythian 21485 records indexed.
09:01 eythian real1m26.978s
09:01 eythian user0m50.172s
09:02 eythian I also like that it's pretty quick on my crappy vm with a remote ES server.
09:02 magnuse eythian++ for remembering normarc :-)
09:02 eythian actually, that was rangi, not me :)
09:02 ashimema what sort of spec are you running the remote ES server on?
09:02 eythian I saw it in the mapping he built, so accounted for it.
09:03 magnuse rangi++ then :-)
09:03 eythian ashimema: 2 CPU, 2GB RAM, and it doesn't really break a sweat at all.
09:03 eythian for real high-end production you'd want a cluster of 3+ servers.
09:03 ashimema that's reassuring.. I was worried that an ES server would take some major grunt.
09:04 eythian <-- cait, happier now? :)
09:04 ashimema would you run one (or rather 'one cluster') for multiple koha instances?
09:04 eythian yeah, definitely
09:04 cait i think you cheated ;)
09:05 magnuse eythian: in the swcreenshot with the facets, i assume the result list is still created by running marcxml throguh the usual xslt? where does the marcxml come from? es?
09:05 cait yep you did
09:05 cait 245$c is ugly
09:05 eythian how did I cheat?
09:05 eythian oh, I know. It's just we're throwing everything author related into the 'author' field at the moment.
09:05 eythian In the future we're going to say "this can be considered for faceting, this can't"
09:05 eythian and so ignore the messy fields.
09:05 cait ok :)
09:06 eythian magnuse: one moment, I'll find a result record for you
09:06 cait yes, than it's better, also i never understood why someone would catalog in capitals
09:06 cait but i guess i can't blame you for that
09:06 magnuse BECAUSE IT'S FUN!
09:06 magnuse it's a format called MARCSHOUT!
09:06 nlegrand HELLO #KOHA o/
09:06 cait lol
09:06 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "what a record coming back from ES looks like" (15 lines) at
09:07 cait hi nlegrand :)
09:07 eythian magnuse: that's an old version, from when I only had "title" and "biblionumber"
09:07 eythian but, I'm taking "record" and converting it into a MARC::Record
09:07 magnuse ah hah?
09:08 magnuse that looks catmandu'ish?
09:08 eythian it is exactly catmandu
09:08 eythian because I'm using that :)
09:08 magnuse how is the MARC::Record transformed to the result list then?
09:08 magnuse catmandu++
09:09 eythian because that's how it works. In a zebra result you get marcxml back, and that becomes a MARC::Record (and then probably that's turned back into marcxml for the XSLT.)
09:09 eythian I just make the MARC::Record and let the existing system take care of getting it into the form for xslt.
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09:09 eythian (i.e. I've totally ignored that and it works.)
09:10 eythian magnuse: oh, you will probably have trouble running it unless you have all the dependencies from cpan and quite up to date.
09:10 eythian I've been making packages of everything as I go, but they're not currently public anywhere.
09:11 eythian (just due to laziness.)
09:12 eythian[…]mandu-deps.tar.gz <-- magnuse, there they go
09:12 eythian now they're public somewhere
09:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #38: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/38/
09:13 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 11687: remove disused script
09:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11687 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , is unused
09:15 magnuse eythian: i'll probably not get around to playing with it anytime soon. i just want to look at the possibility of koha using the es-indexed RDF from opl
09:16 eythian hmm.
09:16 magnuse "marcxml from zebra -> MARC::Record -> marcxml for display -> xslt" - that sounds like a lot of wasted cpu cycles...
09:16 eythian Koha still expects to see marc
09:16 magnuse yeah, that is a problem
09:17 magnuse but opl will be transforming rdf to marc, so koha has something to chew on + for z39.50/SRU/OAI
09:17 eythian however, there's probably no reason we couldn't have an RDF specific XSLT, so long as you can produce XML from whatever you get, it'll probably work.
09:17 magnuse so perhaps it could be done
09:17 magnuse ah, true
09:17 eythian I would guess it would require very minimal changes.
09:18 eythian i.e. just telling Koha how to get XML out of whatever object it ends up with.
09:18 eythian Oh, I lie. It actually gets USMARC from zebra
09:18 eythian at least in my dev setup, which is quite an old config
09:18 magnuse opl will be building their own public facing interfaces, so if people want to use their rdf magic they might also want to use that
09:19 magnuse ah, good old iso2709, will we ever be able to put you to eternal sleep?
09:19 eythian in that case, I think it would be quite possible.
09:19 eythian Probably with minimal work (not including building the interfaces.)
09:20 * eythian really doesn't like how the facet truncation for display is done in C4::Search::getRecords. I'm thinking of changing that so it's pushed all the way out to the template.
09:22 eythian[…]545399f7d421bfab9 <-- cait, that was all the work it took to fix the case on facets :)
09:22 ashimema I'de vote in favour of pushing that out to the template too
09:23 magnuse yeah, that sounds reasonable
09:23 eythian it makes the most sense, it being display logic.
09:23 cait :)
09:23 cait eythian: i think we fixed that - xml everywhere
09:23 cait tcohen would know
09:23 * cait has a hard time readng back fast enough
09:24 eythian it's quite possible, but I'm not totally sure
09:24 cait and for the truncation... please stop it cutting umlauts in half
09:25 eythian[…]015405420b3dc37be <-- this is what I had to change in C4::Search, it's assuming that it's getting USMARC
09:25 eythian (that is, I'm not giving it USMARC, I'm giving it a MARC::Record, so I had to account for that.)
09:25 eythian cait: wow, it does that?
09:25 cait eythian: at least in 3.12 it does, not sure if soemone fixed it
09:26 eythian I think it'd be harder to make it not UTF-8 aware than to make it break it.
09:26 cait like when the umlaut would be the last displayed character... not quite
09:26 eythian I guess it just needs to be told the strings are UTF8 somewhere.
09:26 magnuse eythian: will you make it configurable, e.g. an easy way to say which indexes should be used to create facets?
09:26 eythian yeah, I can imagine how it could do that.
09:26 eythian magnuse: well, the template relies on knowing what to expect.
09:27 eythian so it won't be trivial to do that.
09:27 eythian (i.e. the template expects one of a handful of facet types.)
09:27 eythian this is also important for translation
09:27 magnuse true
09:27 eythian but, we probably will make it configurable to say "consider these fields as author fields for facets, and these fields as author fields for search."
09:28 eythian the latter is already done
09:28 magnuse[…]cate_length_dots_
09:28 eythian that's exactly what I want.
09:31 eythian any more queries before I make like a bald man and get outta hair? ;)
09:32 cait lol
09:32 cait can you make it show kittens?
09:32 magnuse ooh, yes please!
09:32 eythian No.
09:32 eythian No kittens.
09:32 cait when someone enters sad search terms?
09:32 eythian haha
09:32 cait so why are we stiching to ES, it gives us nothing over zebra!
09:32 cait switching even ... ;)
09:33 magnuse use a kitten unicode symbol as bullet points for the facets
09:33 magnuse stitching to ES
09:34 cait eythian: I guess you can do your bald man thing now
09:34 eythian btw I'm fairly keen for people to test this out, right now it's in a working state (that's not always the case :)
09:35 eythian so if you have a go and get stuck, let me know. It _should_ be well documented, but there might be something missing.
09:35 eythian oh, it does need unit tests, but apis are evolving a bit still.
09:36 * magnuse thinks eythian deserves some rest now
09:37 eythian oh, my is 129 lines long, of which about 40% is documentation. Compare that to rebuild_zebra ;)
09:37 eythian yep, time to head off.
09:37 eythian later
09:41 nlegrand I had a weird bug lately on my 3.2, whenever I save the biblio records, some open field in the items are over encoded, eg 'Dépôt' becomes 'Dépôt légal' and the more you save, the weirder it gets, until you edit the items, it displays anything fine, save it, and it's fixed
09:41 nlegrand is it a known old bug? :)
09:42 nlegrand otherwise it may be our super customised koha ^^
09:42 eythian that's a known thing all over the internet
09:42 eythian double-encoded UTF8
09:42 eythian it's probably fixed in post3.2 versions
09:44 nlegrand eythian: sure, but my version is funnier, cause if I save my biblio records twenty time in a row, each non ascii char has been replaced by 1048576 creepy character :) it's squared-encoded UTF8 ^^
09:44 cait nlegrand: i thik that got fixed
09:44 cait nlegrand: 3.2 is really old by now :(
09:44 nlegrand nice :)
09:44 nlegrand cait: yes :)
09:45 cait nlegrand: i think i remember seeing something likethat with diacritics in callnumbers and notes
09:45 nlegrand cait: my goal is to be very near community version as soon as possible and stay there :)
09:45 magnuse nlegrand: good plan :-)
09:45 ashimema why such an old version nlegrand?
09:45 nlegrand I mean staying near last versions which is moving twice a year ^^
09:46 ashimema highly customised?
09:46 nlegrand ashimema: yes
09:46 nlegrand the BULAC was thrilled by the oppurtunity of customising, but did it in a bubble
09:46 nlegrand now we want to get out of the bubble :)
09:46 cait a lesson any libraries learned the hard way i think
09:47 nlegrand cait: exactly
09:47 cait but it will be alright :) *optimistic*
09:47 nlegrand <3
09:47 ashimema :)
09:48 nlegrand It will be horrible, and nasty, but I really really want to do it :)
09:48 nlegrand I'll bring champagne to the next kohafest if everything went well :)
09:48 cait :)
09:49 ashimema :)
09:49 cait we will try to help if we can
09:50 nlegrand ho thanks :) I'm already a bit ashamed to ask questions about 3.2, I will try not to bother all of you too much ^^
09:50 nlegrand I really appreciate the kindness of #koha community :)
09:50 magnuse nlegrand: as long as you are asking about migrating from 3.2 it will be ok i think ;-)
09:51 nlegrand :D
09:52 cait you are not bothering us i think, it's just we can#t help much fixing problems there... other than confirming we remember the bug :(
09:52 magnuse what she said :-)
09:57 paxed there's no easy way to print patron's fines, is there?
09:57 cait prnt as a slip? or in overdue notices?
09:57 paxed slip
09:58 cait currently not for the totals, only for single lines I think :(
09:58 paxed ah. ok.
09:58 * paxed codes it, then.
09:59 cait cool :)
10:08 * magnuse waves to khall
10:09 khall mornin magnuse et al!
10:10 magnuse baby waking you up early?
10:10 magnuse gah, it's lunch time already!!
10:11 ashimema khall: We're getting allot of 'Can't call method "fix_checksum" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Business/ line 78.' when using the command line with your ISBN clever matching stuff turned on.. anything you've seen before?
10:12 khall ashimema: I bet this will fix the issue:[…]_bug.cgi?id=12243
10:12 huginn Bug 12243: critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , Records with invalid ISBNs can cause searches to fail
10:13 khall it seems that an isbn not being "bad" isn't a good enough check, there are other types of badness that can cause issues. Whoever wrote businesss::isbn made some off decisions about that
10:14 ashimema I see.. thanks khall
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10:22 vfernandes hello
10:23 vfernandes after some time trying, I can't put the 942$c as itemtype index
10:23 cait vfernandes: what's the problem?
10:23 wahanui the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
10:37 vfernandes i tried to add some lines to record.abs, biblio-zebra-indexdefs and biblio-koha-indexdefs
10:37 vfernandes i've reindexed all records
10:40 vfernandes do I have to restart zebra?
10:40 vfernandes after changing the files?
10:43 mtj_ vfernandes:  yes
10:43 vfernandes ok
10:43 vfernandes trying again... reindexing all :)
11:20 vfernandes not worked :/
11:25 pastebot "vfernandes" at pasted "Modifications" (28 lines) at
11:25 vfernandes these are my modifications to the indexing files
11:26 vfernandes I think they are correct
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11:28 Viktor Greetings!
11:29 gaetan_B bye!
11:29 Viktor How do people feel about hiding great content like "Title notices" and "Comments" in tabs in the Opac? Could the tabs be removed and the full content displayed at once?
11:31 vfernandes if anyone could help me in this question :)
11:31 jcamins Viktor: FWIW, I have a client that has the title notes visible directly rather than in a tab.
11:32 vfernandes Viktor maybe you can use javascript and jquery to remove those tabs
11:33 Viktor I could change them to regular divs i guess, but they are nested as a list so I would have to think for several minutes before touching those :)
11:34 Viktor I just wonder if people love them or if they are just left from old times when people didn't scroll
11:34 Viktor Today when people scroll tabs inside pages just increases the interaction cost.
11:35 * cait waves at Viktor
11:35 * Viktor waves at cait
11:35 jcamins Viktor: I just use jQuery.
11:36 vfernandes Viktor jquery is the aswer :)
11:36 Viktor jcamins Did you put the script on a blog somewhere?
11:36 cait sorry vfernandes... went off for lunch
11:36 vfernandes no problem cait :)
11:36 jcamins Viktor: I don't know.
11:36 jcamins Probably.
11:37 Viktor :)
11:37 jcamins Viktor: $("#descriptions").insertAfter(​$("#catalogue_detail_biblio")); $("#descriptions").removeClass('ui-tabs-panel ui-tabs-hide'); $("#tab_descriptions").remove();
11:38 Viktor Yay - thanks!
11:38 Viktor Does it go inte the regular script container in admin?
11:39 Viktor jcamins++
11:39 * magnuse waves to Viktor
11:39 * Viktor waves to magnuse
11:39 vfernandes Viktor put the code on opacuserjs
11:42 Viktor Sweet - works great :)
11:42 Viktor Thanks!
11:44 Viktor And while we're on the subject of opacuserjs - does TinyCMS still work with the new Bootstrap theme?
11:44 Viktor I did the following tabs based on Owens code on his blog
11:45 Viktor (Not all there but lets you display tabs without losing the header with login and stuff)
11:45 Viktor I did it using opacuserjs, but TinyCMS looked like a bit cleaner way of doing this(?)
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12:17 oleonard Hi #koha
12:34 magnuse kia ora oleonard
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12:38 paul_p hello #koha
12:38 oleonard Hi paul_p
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12:42 magnuse kia ora paul_p
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13:03 * oleonard brb
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13:20 oleonard Can't seem to access the KOCT addon in Firefox 29. Can't find it.
13:21 cait hm did you try turningon the ... menu?
13:22 cait i don't know how they are called in english i realize
13:22 cait add on sidebar maybe
13:35 vfernandes any help on my problem?
13:36 oleonard If anyone cares, I had to install the "Addon Bar (restored)" addon to Firefox 29 in order to be able to see the KOCT addon
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13:54 cait oleonard: ouch.
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14:01 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 18.6°C (9:01 AM CDT on May 19, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
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14:23 vfernandes with DOM indexing which is the used file? biblio-koha-indexdefs or biblio-zebra-indexdefs?
14:32 jcamins Zebra uses the latter, which is generated from the former.
14:35 vfernandes jcamins I added one index for 942$c but nothing is happening
14:35 vfernandes look at
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15:10 cait vfernandes: maybe take a look at how someone else added a new index to the dom indexing
15:10 cait i think there are also notes on the wiki
15:10 wahanui okay, cait.
15:11 cait i haven't donee that yet, so probably can#t help much
15:11 vfernandes cait i've already look at wiki
15:12 cait i think these are the newest instructions
15:12 cait[…]i/MRenvoize/zebra
15:17 jcamins vfernandes: that looks right to me. Very similar to what I have. But I can't troubleshoot right now.
15:21 ashimema Well, if those instructions are being hadned around to the world.. I suppose I better put them somewhere usefull on the wiki, instead of hidden under my username.
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15:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12240 - update of Italian SQL files (non-MARC setup) <[…]ffda7938d1d47f9cb>
15:31 cait btw
15:31 cait i need a qa person to look at my web intaller updates...
15:31 cait *hides*
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15:39 bag morning
15:39 wahanui somebody said morning was a state of cat
15:39 bag cait: web intaller updates?
15:39 bag heh
15:40 reiveune bye
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15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11721 - Use new DataTables include in suggestions template
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11670 - Remove sorting from patron lists action columns
15:42 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11704: Make */svc/report print the correct headers
15:42 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 11652: ensure that merging authority records corrects biblios
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11737 - Use new DataTables include in quotes management template
15:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11721 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in suggestions template
15:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11737: (follow-up) remove extra fnReloadAjax.js
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11739 - Use new DataTables include in notices template
15:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11670 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove sorting from patron lists action columns
15:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11704 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Wrong headers in {opac|intranet}/svc/report
15:43 cait bag: i have 3 patches in the signed off list waiting .)
15:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11652 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Stable , merging authority records does not correct biblios
15:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11737 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in quotes management template
15:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11739 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in notices template
15:43 bag cool I will look
15:45 cait bag: awesome - thx :)
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15:46 bag some of them look fine and nice and simple - but I guess I'm going to just have to trust that you are using the correct German word?
15:46 cait probably
15:46 bag Alle Datensätze
15:46 cait all records
15:46 bag sure that looks pretty :)
15:46 cait heh
15:46 bag heh
15:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha cait bag
15:49 bag heya
15:49 cait hi mtompset
15:49 mtompset Why is writing test code so de-motivating?
15:49 druthb Hiya bag, cait, mtompset. :)
15:50 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
15:50 cait hi druthb :)
15:50 * druthb wriggles happily
15:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12243: ensure that records with invalid ISBNs do not cause searches to fail <[…]f99354a8b84d9a8bd> / Bug 12243: add regression test <[…]76fb8c4eebc741fcc>
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15:53 mtompset Okay. Why are you wriggling happily, druthb?
15:54 druthb busy weekend, but a good one.  And seeing mah friends here.  :P
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15:59 mtompset Blip. Silly VM upgrade.
16:01 mtompset Have a great day, #koha cait druthb bag
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16:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12271: (follow-up) fix minor errors in Bootstrap theme <[…]a3c5bcddd2c12932a> / Bug 12271: (follow-up) teach valid-templates.t how to include specified templates <[…]0b1772d8fcac44b33> / Bug 12271: add Bootstrap templates to valid-templates.t tests <http:
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16:47 vfernandes koha 3.14 OPAC supports federated searches?
16:47 gmcharlt no
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16:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9612: (follow-up) restore elementSetName in <[…]89cb65b156fbd646f> / Bug 7841: quell warnings in C4::Languages <[…]ff64536ce3d5ca462> / Bug 7841: add a direct regression test <[…]commitdiff;h=4af3
16:58 khall @later tell rangi would you take a look at bug 8352 and give me your thoughts? I've implemented a new printer CRUD interface and added the ability to use CUPS printers as well as supporting Net::Printer.
16:58 huginn khall: The operation succeeded.
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17:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12244 - followup to fix tabs <[…]ae971b2331a5b6ded> / Bug 12244 - Update Acq Help for 3.16 <[…]445de039bf6d55d98> / Bug 12244 - Update Admin Help for 3.16 <[…]2c8cd8e71e16c1f6f
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17:18 magnuse bag: HI
17:18 bag magnuse: HI
17:19 pianohacker pianohacker: HI
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17:32 * cait waves
17:37 magnuse welcome back JesseM
17:37 * JesseM waves at magnuse
17:38 magnuse :-)
17:38 magnuse gah
17:38 magnuse %s %s %s %s if %s %s unless %s %s%s$%s%s %s exists %s %s does not exist %s %s matches %s %s does not match %s %s RegEx m/%s
17:38 magnuse is that supposed to be translated or not?
17:38 JesseM gah
17:38 pianohacker yes, it should
17:38 pianohacker you should start  by translating to en-US
17:38 pianohacker from wt-FF
17:38 magnuse lol
17:39 magnuse it comes from the marc modification templates
17:39 pianohacker joy
17:39 magnuse i'll leave it in and see what happens
17:43 oleonard Yeah the translation system doesn't actually know how T:T works, it's pretty messed up.
17:52 * magnuse sometimes wonders if it would be better to explicitly mark strings for translation, like [% l('Translate me') %]
17:53 paxed it would be. bug 12221 would help a bit, but then you'd have to madify some templates to produce sensible sentences instead of sentence fragment.
17:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12221 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, NEW , Remove TT statement placeholders from translatable strings
17:53 paxed modify*
17:54 oleonard [% l('Translate %s and %s'), this, that %] ?
17:55 paxed that's how evergreen does it.
17:56 magnuse hehe, madify was a nice typo there ;-)
17:57 magnuse paxed: do you know what perl module(s) they are using?
17:57 paxed not off the top of my head, sorry.
17:58 magnuse never mind
17:58 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
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18:03 eda HI
18:03 wahanui bonjour, eda
18:03 eda @wahanui
18:03 huginn eda: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
18:03 eda may I ask a question
18:05 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
18:05 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
18:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1755: FIXED in 2 hr 21 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1755/
18:05 jenkins_koha * Koha SAB CINECA: Bug 12240 - update of Italian SQL files (non-MARC setup)
18:05 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12243: add regression test
18:05 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12243: ensure that records with invalid ISBNs do not cause searches to fail
18:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12240 normal, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Update of Italian SQL files (no marc setup) - 3.16
18:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12243 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Records with invalid ISBNs can cause searches to fail
18:06 eda hi
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18:07 edda hello
18:07 wahanui hola, edda
18:07 edda hi wahanui, may I ask a question
18:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #40 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
18:07 edda ?
18:10 gmcharlt wahanui is a bot, not a real person
18:10 gmcharlt what's your question?
18:11 edda ok
18:11 edda i need help about install koha online host
18:13 gmcharlt[…]on_Debian_Squeeze is a good place to start, assumin g you have a Debian machine available
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19:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Translation update for 3.16.00 release <[…]dd71d994c15359508>
19:02 cait that looks like release time :)
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19:06 gmcharlt not quite yet, I expect a few more bugfixes and non-string-changy things
19:06 gmcharlt but later today
19:09 cait :)
19:15 magnuse is there a deadline for translations?
19:18 gmcharlt magnuse: I will be requesting another pull of translations prior to cutting the final release on Thursday
19:19 magnuse cool
19:19 magnuse couple more days then :-)
19:19 gmcharlt yep
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19:47 taylorSchmidt We're trying to add unit tests for a web service API to t/db_dependent/Reserves.t, and the fact that it creates its own transaction prevents us from just accessing the API through a URL (as that happens in another process)
19:47 taylorSchmidt any ideas?
19:47 wahanui any ideas are welcome :)
19:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #40: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/40/
19:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11735 - Use new DataTables include in calendar template
19:47 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11757: remove dependency on POE
19:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11748 - Remove unused jquery.uitablefilter.js plugin
19:47 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 11628: add missing staffaccess permission to French userflags.sql file
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11764 - Move repeatedly redefined function toUC() into staff-global.js
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11765 - Remove unused function isDate from templates
19:48 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 11773: fix crash in if no active currency is set
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11735 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in calendar template
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11743 - Remove unused DataTables plugin from OPAC theme directories
19:48 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10789: Remove unnecessary calls to $sth->finish in C4::Acquisitions
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11757 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , dependency on POE is not longer necessary
19:48 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10789: Follow-up: Fix typo "infermation"
19:48 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10789: Follow-up: restored second SQL parameter in GetLastOrderReceivedFromSubscriptionid
19:48 jenkins_koha * Stéphane Delaune: Bug 11730: ensure that C4::Charset loads C4::Context
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11756: improve default sorting on hold ratios report
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11771 - Use validation plugin when creating new MARC framework tag
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11748 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused jquery.uitablefilter.js plugin
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11628 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , staffaccess permission is missing in french userflags.sql file
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11749 - Remove unused jQuery plugin jquery.hoverIntent.minified.js from the staff client
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11766 - Use validation plugin when creating new authority type
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11767 - Use validation plugin when creating new authority framework tag
19:48 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11740 - Use new DataTables include in quotes upload template
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11764 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Move repeatedly redefined function toUC() into staff-global.js
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11765 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused function isDate from templates
19:48 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 11784 - fix displaying patron images in self checkout
19:48 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11779: fix unexpected change in logged-in library when changing overdue notice triggers
19:48 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11779: (follow-up) improve GetLoggedInBranchcode() and add test cases
19:48 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11783: ensure CD field in SIP patron information response is populated
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11773 normal, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Crash 'undefined value as a HASH' in
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11743 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused DataTables plugin from OPAC theme directories
19:48 jenkins_koha * Amit Gupta: Bug 11777: ensure "created by" is displayed by the order receiving page
19:48 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11777: add regression test
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10789 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Excessive and often incorrect use of finish in C4::Acquisitions
19:48 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11644: fix occasional failure to update fund amount due to floating-point math
19:48 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11644: (follow-up) add FIXME
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11730 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , C4::Charset call C4::Context without use it
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11756 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Hold ratios report sorting incorrectly
19:48 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10544: ensure that stocknumber searches work for MARC21
19:48 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10544: add Number-local-acquisition in known indexes
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11771 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new MARC framework tag
19:48 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10544 - add Number-local-acquisition in QueryParser config
19:48 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10544: (follow-up) update MARC21 DOM index definitions
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11749 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused jQuery plugin jquery.hoverIntent.minified.js from the staff client
19:48 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 11202: Improve UNIMARC biblio indexing
19:48 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11202: FIX UT for QueryParser.t
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11766 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new authority type
19:48 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11202: (follow-up) update number of expected tests for t/QueryParser.t
19:48 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11732: Eliminate warning on undefined branchcode
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11767 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new authority framework tag
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11740 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in quotes upload template
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11784 minor, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , Patron images broken in Self checkout
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11779 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Unexpected change in logged in branch when changing overdue notice triggers
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11783 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Record level unavailable holds sending empty CD field rather than item barcode
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11777 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Stable , Created by name is not coming in order receiving page
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Cannot update fund if total is equal to amount unallocated
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10544 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , stocknumber index is an alias of Number-local-acquisition
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11202 enhancement, P4, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Stable , Improve UNIMARC biblio indexing
19:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11732 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Eliminate warning on undefined branchcode
19:49 gmcharlt taylorSchmidt: my suggestion: don't do that :) IOW, if it's necessary to access an external web service, write a separate test file that manages its own tear-down of test data, if it can't use a DB tranaction
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19:55 taylorSchmidt gmcharlt: while it wouldn't test some of the routing and URL dispatch stuff, maybe, to reuse the existing setup/teardown functionality, just call Koha::Service::Holds manually with some test data from inside Reserves.t?
19:55 gmcharlt taylorSchmidt: that's reasonable
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19:55 taylorSchmidt okay cool
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20:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12288: (follow-up) test for defined values <[…]79c2c0758b4735ae4> / Bug 12288: fix search errors with AggressiveMatchOnISBN turned on <[…]898c43f3aaeab6ff5> / Bug 12288: add regression test <[…]t;a=commitdiff;h=
20:05 bag[…]_bug.cgi?id=12025
20:05 huginn Bug 12025: critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Inventory tool fails with "Could not reads headers", or sometimes a timeout
20:05 bag anybody got any ideas on that bug?  Something for me to chase?
20:07 gmcharlt bag:  are you seeing it?
20:08 bag yes three sites confirmed
20:08 bag at least the they've uploaded the barcode file and that happens
20:09 bag but I am not sure on how to "see" it on the server when it's happening
20:10 bag khall stepped away for the day so I was going to have him take a look at it first thing
20:11 bag I was going through this[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7684  to see what in there maybe contributing
20:11 huginn Bug 7684: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , inventory :  datatable fix actions etc.
20:26 gmcharlt bag: it looks pretty clear it's the fault of that bug
20:27 gmcharlt or rather, the patches for it
20:27 gmcharlt as it has the effective of running a report of pretty much all items in the system if you upload a file of barcodes
20:28 rangi ouch
20:28 rangi morning btw
20:28 gmcharlt and sort of thing that would have slipped past testers' small toy databases :(
20:29 rangi *nod*
20:29 bag right ok yes I was getting there :)  sweet gmcharlt thanks
20:30 bag mornign rangi
20:30 bag darn it morning
20:30 bag heh
20:42 gmcharlt bag: please see the comment I added to bug 12025
20:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12025 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Inventory tool fails with "Could not reads headers", or sometimes a timeout
20:42 gmcharlt it suggests a work-around
20:45 bag awesome good idea
20:45 bag thanks
20:57 pianohacker is the 'psgi:exit' trick that something standard/exportable? Can't find documentation for it in the Plack stuff
20:57 pianohacker *that does
20:57 bag hey pianohacker ask eythian
20:57 bag he's been hacking on plack recently and should be able to help you right quick
20:57 pianohacker eythian: ^
20:57 bag oh rangi is lurking now - he could have a thought
21:20 pianohacker gmcharlt: It seems from things like[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7829 that plain exit is kosher with plack
21:20 huginn Bug 7829: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, CLOSED FIXED, reports/ remove all exit(1) for plack
21:20 gmcharlt pianohacker: ok
21:21 pianohacker gmcharlt: will confirm with someone more familiar before I submit, but moving forward for the moment
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21:51 cait good night all
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21:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11404: (follow-up) only ask user if there are instances needing upgrading <[…]fa26ffe9adcfbd832> / Bug 11404: Make the install process aware of the changes <[…]726d233dead6aa40f> / Bug 11404: introduced for reuse <http://git.koha-communi
21:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1756: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1756/
21:55 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 12271: add Bootstrap templates to valid-templates.t tests
21:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12271: (follow-up) teach valid-templates.t how to include specified templates
21:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12271: (follow-up) fix minor errors in Bootstrap theme
21:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12271 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , valid-templates.t does not test bootstrap opac templates
21:55 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 7841: add unit tests to detect no functional changes to getTranslatedLanguages()
21:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7841: add a direct regression test
21:55 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 7841: quell warnings in C4::Languages
21:55 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9612: (follow-up) restore elementSetName in
21:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7841 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Several warnings on language from webinstaller
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Koha 3.16 Circ Help Updates
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Update Patron help files for 3.16
21:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9612 major, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Update cataloging help for 3.16
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Update Search Help for 3.16
21:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12244 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Help Files for Koha 3.16
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Update Notices Help Files
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Update authorized values help for 3.16
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Update Admin Help for 3.16
21:55 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 12244 - Update Acq Help for 3.16
21:55 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12244 - followup to fix tabs
21:55 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation update for 3.16.00 release
21:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #1757 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:11 bag gmcharlt: what is  Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)  on bug 10964
22:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Update MARC21 de-DE default framework to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)
22:11 gmcharlt bag: MARC21 update #17 by the Library of Congress
22:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12168: (follow-up) correct typos in test descriptions <[…]181990e704a542d26> / Bug 12168: Add unit tests for GetBudgetHierarchySpent & GetBudgetHierarchyOrdered <[…]3997778b295959a4d> / Bug 12168: fix spent and ordered budget values are wrong when depth >
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22:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12113: Update German web installer for 3.16 <[…]d947fdcca8f336dfd> / Bug 12275: Small corrections to English web installer <[…]728e30cda9bb7e98d>
22:31 eythian hi
22:32 bag ah thanks gmcharlt
22:32 bag heya eythian
22:32 wahanui eythian is an expert bot trainer
22:33 pianohacker eythian: hi. Could I ambush you with a quick Plack question?
22:33 bag yay!
22:33 eythian pianohacker: you can try, though I don't know anything about psgi:exit off the top of my head sorry ;)
22:33 pianohacker curses!
22:33 pianohacker eythian: Is it safe, at least, to call plain 'exit' from within a Plackified script?
22:34 eythian oh, that psgi:exit thing in C4::Auth is just a string
22:34 eythian I'm not aware if it does any magic (it might)
22:34 eythian pianohacker: it seems to be, yes
22:34 pianohacker eythian: I couldn't find any reference to it in any of the Plack libraries, so I don't think so *shrug*
22:34 eythian I have tried and failed to see what it actually does, but it doesn't seem to actually cause problems.
22:35 pianohacker eythian: I'll continue forward with that then, thanks.
22:35 eythian (calling exit, that is.)
22:37 pianohacker eythian: Ah, it does some similar magic which seems to assume that 'die' is safe (see after 'sub new ...' in[…]b/CGI/
22:41 eythian hmm OK.
22:42 pianohacker jcamins: Could I ask you an idle question about t/www/batch.t? I'm working on some webservice tests for my field session project, and I was curious why t/www/batch.t used KOHA_INTRANET_URL rather that staffClientBaseURL.
22:52 bag gmcharlt: if you are on bug 10964  I obseleted too many patches with my last bz attach - I've corrected that now
22:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Update MARC21 de-DE default framework to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)
22:53 bag there should be 2 patches
22:53 gmcharlt ok
22:53 eythian gmcharlt: I weaseled out of your second issue on bug 12252, hope you don't mind :)
22:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , OAI-PMH GetRecord result doesn't include item data
22:55 eythian erk we really really need to split OAI-PMH into a series of modules, not loading them all in opac/
22:56 gmcharlt bag: I believe you attached the wrong second patch to 10964
22:56 bag damn
22:56 gmcharlt IOW, I'm not seeing the QAed 'Update German default bibliograhpic and authority frameowkrs'
22:57 bag I did
22:57 bag one sec
23:01 bag ok there we go gmcharlt should be good now
23:01 gmcharlt thanks
23:01 bag did a HEAD^ at the wrong time
23:01 bag :P
23:02 gmcharlt bag: be very, very careful when lopping off HEADs! :-P
23:02 bag gmcharlt++
23:02 bag must have been easy on your end to catch it - since the patch I put up - was probably the last that you pushed - giving you some conflicts?
23:03 gmcharlt yeah, a "patch already applied"
23:04 bag yeah - so really good time thankfully - so I didn't waste too much of your time
23:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10964: Update German default bibliographic and authority frameworks <[…]b831694bc3233e540> / Bug 10964: Update German simple and fast add frameworks <[…]3999f36ec5eb88b1a>
23:08 bag hey eythian what time is it there?
23:09 eythian bag: the time there id 2014-05-19 16:09:10 -0700
23:09 eythian the time here is 11:09am :)
23:09 bag no clue what that is
23:09 bag it's 4pm here
23:10 bag ah thanks :)
23:10 bag ok so you are 20 hours ahead of me
23:10 bag hmm does 8am on your Thursday work for a quick chat?
23:11 eythian That sounds uncivilised, though I suppose I could do it from home.
23:11 bag yeah if that's cool with you - I'd like to have khall along and we could just do IRC to make it simple
23:11 eythian sure
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23:17 * dcook likes eythian's weaseling in 12252
23:18 rangi @later tell tcohen new question here[…]hacon14/schedule/
23:18 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
23:23 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16 release candidate is now available. Next general meeting is 3 and 4 June 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha Please use for pastes.
23:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: DBRev mark Koha 3.16 RC <[…]edd168314f6f0af72> / update release notes for Koha 3.16.0-rc <[…]00cff2ef51854c8e1>
23:25 rangi gmcharlt++
23:29 * dcook grumbles a bit more about the quote editor being buggy as
23:29 dcook But that's why's I tries to fix it
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23:32 dcook Also IE just plain sucks..
23:33 eythian yep
23:33 dcook Doesn't work so hot in Chrome either though :/
23:33 eythian I think we tend to say that IE's not officially supported for the staff client.
23:33 eythian and recommend firefox
23:34 pianohacker dcook: I can't hear you over the sound of my firefox shirt
23:34 dcook "We" as in Catalyst or Koha-Comm?
23:34 dcook pianohacker: Alas, hospitals run with pretty old proprietary stuff...
23:34 eythian dcook: well, we as catalyst do, but I think that it might be the k-c position as well.
23:35 pianohacker < dcook> pianohacker: firefox firefox firefox firefox
23:35 pianohacker dcook: (but yes, they do. My sympathies.)
23:35 eythian dcook: we tell them that it'll mostly work with IE, but some things not as well. They usually talk their IT into giving them firefox.
23:35 eythian Some can't, and they accept a mildy degraded interface.
23:42 dcook I suppose mild is a bit relative :p
23:42 dcook Actually, newer versions of IE do tend to perform better at least
23:42 dcook Well, worse in some ways, better in others
23:43 eythian yeah, it used to be the cataloguing page took about a minute to render in IE.
23:43 dcook Yikes
23:45 pianohacker I wonder how rancor would look in IE 7
23:47 * dcook shudders
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