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tcohen |
morning |
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cait |
morning tcohen |
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tcohen |
how is your weekend cait? |
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cait |
busy :) |
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cait |
travelling tomorrow and still lots to do |
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cait |
and yours? |
| 14:49 |
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wahanui |
i heard yours was better actually |
| 14:53 |
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WNickC |
Hi all |
| 14:53 |
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WNickC |
cait, can I ask a question about bug 10391 |
| 14:53 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10391 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , specify due date remaining even if not selected |
| 14:59 |
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cait |
sure? |
| 14:59 |
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WNickC |
Just wondering if the clear button should clear date when 'remember for session' is checked |
| 15:00 |
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WNickC |
currently you have to clear and then checkout a book to keep the date from reappearing |
| 15:00 |
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WNickC |
I didn't know if that was bug or feature |
| 15:06 |
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cait |
hm |
| 15:06 |
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cait |
and clear and unchecking the checkbox won't do it? |
| 15:09 |
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WNickC |
it will clear on the current screen, but if I load a new patron the date and box are filled again and I have to press clear and then checkout |
| 15:10 |
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WNickC |
so instead of setting it, using it for all patrons I need, then pressing clear |
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WNickC |
I have to set it, use it for all patrons needed, load th enext patron, clear, and checkout a book |
| 15:16 |
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cait |
i am not sure |
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cait |
i think it might not directly be a bug, but it sounds like an ergonomic issue |
| 15:23 |
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WNickC |
okay, I will add a comment to the bug, it's not a huge issue for us, but it didn't feel quite like expected behaviour |
| 15:23 |
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WNickC |
thanks |
| 16:07 |
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markvandenborre |
what port does the user interface (not the admin interface) for koha normally listen on? |
| 16:08 |
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markvandenborre |
(I'm using the deb packages as provided at koha-community.org |
| 16:08 |
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markvandenborre |
) |
| 16:14 |
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markvandenborre |
I want to browse the catalog |
| 16:14 |
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markvandenborre |
I can see from zebra reindexing that there are a pile of records |
| 16:14 |
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markvandenborre |
but I get no search results at all |
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cait |
the opac normally is on 80 |
| 16:16 |
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markvandenborre |
maybe it got confused because there is a web server already running there... |
| 16:16 |
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cait |
you need to deactivate the default site |
| 16:17 |
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markvandenborre |
yup, will do |
| 16:17 |
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markvandenborre |
btw, still trying to get catalog search to work |
| 16:17 |
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markvandenborre |
http://pastie.org/9162629 looks suspicious to me |
| 16:17 |
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markvandenborre |
it looks as if it is trying to index multiple times after an error the first time |
| 16:18 |
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markvandenborre |
and that that is the reason search is not working |
| 16:18 |
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markvandenborre |
any hints on debugging this on a lower level? |
| 16:22 |
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markvandenborre |
cait: thx, the user interface works perfectly now |
| 16:22 |
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markvandenborre |
well, except that I can't see anything in the catalog, and no search |
| 16:29 |
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cait |
it looks like you have a bad record |
| 16:29 |
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cait |
are you using unimarc or marc21? |
| 16:35 |
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cait |
markvandenborre? |
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wahanui |
well, markvandenborre is looking into a library system for a music academy |
| 16:37 |
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markvandenborre |
cait: unimarc |
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markvandenborre |
and this one is strange too |
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markvandenborre |
http://pastie.org/9162730 |
| 16:38 |
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cait |
that feature is no really been maintained |
| 16:38 |
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markvandenborre |
I seem to create a table of records to be browsed |
| 16:38 |
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cait |
or hasn't been in a longer while |
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cait |
i ma not sure how it works |
| 16:38 |
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cait |
it's an extra feature |
| 16:38 |
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markvandenborre |
I want to see something in my catalog, quite desperately so even |
| 16:38 |
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markvandenborre |
I can search it perfectly fine using the |
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markvandenborre |
cataloging search in the administrative interface |
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markvandenborre |
but not at all using the normal searc |
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markvandenborre |
h |
| 16:39 |
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markvandenborre |
(also as an administrative user) |
| 16:40 |
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markvandenborre |
and I cannot even browse the catalog in any way it seems |
| 16:40 |
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cait |
hm the cataoguing search is something different |
| 16:40 |
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cait |
how did you create your records? |
| 16:40 |
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markvandenborre |
staged marc import |
| 16:40 |
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wahanui |
staged marc import is a good one to check |
| 16:40 |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
did you complete the upload and the second step |
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cait |
? |
| 16:40 |
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markvandenborre |
I think so, yesx |
| 16:41 |
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cait |
when you go to tools - manage staged import |
| 16:41 |
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cait |
what status does your import batch show there? |
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markvandenborre |
imported, 2702 records |
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markvandenborre |
(for the latest batch) |
| 16:41 |
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cait |
ok, imported is ok |
| 16:42 |
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cait |
how did you install koha? |
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markvandenborre |
debian squeeze packages on debian wheezy |
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markvandenborre |
(there were no wheezy packages available yet) |
| 16:44 |
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markvandenborre |
maybe I made some fundamental thinko |
| 16:45 |
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markvandenborre |
about the rather idiosyncratic way (no offense at all!!!) library systems might be layered |
| 16:45 |
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jcamins |
markvandenborre: it sounds like you still have MARC21 records in your UNIMARC database. |
| 16:45 |
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jcamins |
View one of the records from the Staged MARC Records screen, and paste the MARC into paste.koha-community.org |
| 16:46 |
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markvandenborre |
jcamins: you make me realise that the problem _might_ be |
| 16:47 |
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markvandenborre |
that I couldn't properly delete all "dirty" records from the unimarc database |
| 16:47 |
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jcamins |
How many records should you have? |
| 16:47 |
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markvandenborre |
I have 2 copies of the same dataset |
| 16:47 |
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markvandenborre |
one polluted one |
| 16:47 |
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markvandenborre |
and a cleanly unimarc one |
| 16:48 |
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markvandenborre |
is there a way to drop all of them and reimport? |
| 16:49 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, there's a faq on that somewhere. |
| 16:49 |
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jcamins |
faq? |
| 16:49 |
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wahanui |
faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 16:49 |
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jcamins |
Wait, no, appendix to the manual. |
| 16:49 |
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jcamins |
Oh, wait, yeah, FAQ. |
| 16:49 |
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jcamins |
Under Installing/Upgrading. |
| 16:51 |
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jcamins |
Okay, better go grocery shopping before my phone call. |
| 16:51 |
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jcamins |
Good luck. |
| 16:52 |
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markvandenborre |
hm, something is wrong with that faq it seems, but thx anyway! |
| 16:52 |
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markvandenborre |
(a lot) |
| 16:52 |
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jcamins |
Use DELETE FROM, not TRUNCATE. |
| 16:52 |
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* cait |
nods |
| 16:52 |
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jcamins |
You have a newer version of MySQL. |
| 16:53 |
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jcamins |
DELETE FROM is slower, but works on all versions of MySQL/MariaDB. |
| 16:53 |
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markvandenborre |
it mentions foreign key constraints |
| 16:53 |
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jcamins |
Anyway, I have two hours to go grocery shopping and get back on weekend trains, so good luck. |
| 16:53 |
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markvandenborre |
ah, thx |
| 16:54 |
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markvandenborre |
good luck! |
| 16:54 |
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markvandenborre |
if you're on uk trains, you will need it! |
| 16:58 |
|
* markvandenborre |
is reading up about authority versus bibliographic records |
| 17:02 |
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markvandenborre |
if I understand this correctly, the authority record is a "parent" kind of record |
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cait |
hm not really |
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markvandenborre |
with the bibliographic record describing more a kind of a "copy" of a book? |
| 17:02 |
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cait |
well.. normally if we talk about children/parents i woudl tink of sth else |
| 17:03 |
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cait |
authority records are used to control terms |
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markvandenborre |
ok, but since we are talking one physical library with only one copy of any book in it ever |
| 17:03 |
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cait |
like person |
| 17:03 |
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cait |
s |
| 17:03 |
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cait |
you can create a authority record for ... a person |
| 17:03 |
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markvandenborre |
wikipedia about this? |
| 17:03 |
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cait |
and then it can include all different name variations |
| 17:03 |
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cait |
like pseudonyms |
| 17:04 |
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cait |
and that can be used to make seraching for a person more useful |
| 17:04 |
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cait |
authorities are optional |
| 17:04 |
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cait |
bilbiographic records and items is probably what you think about |
| 17:04 |
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markvandenborre |
ok, so I need this to bibliographic records |
| 17:05 |
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cait |
the bibliographic record is the general description, the item is what your library has... with its specifics |
| 17:05 |
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cait |
call number, barcode, opac notes... whatever |
| 17:05 |
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cait |
one bibliographic record can have n items |
| 17:06 |
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markvandenborre |
ok, so now we're here: http://pastie.org/9162801 |
| 17:06 |
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markvandenborre |
2702 records seem to have been imported fine |
| 17:06 |
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markvandenborre |
well, staged for import |
| 17:07 |
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cait |
now you need to import them |
| 17:07 |
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cait |
into the catalog |
| 17:08 |
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markvandenborre |
did that, http://pastie.org/9162809 |
| 17:08 |
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markvandenborre |
now I guess I have to explicitly make zebra index the thing |
| 17:09 |
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cait |
no ou shouldn't have to |
| 17:09 |
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cait |
it should happen sometime in the next 5 minutes |
| 17:09 |
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cait |
if your koha is set up correctly |
| 17:10 |
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markvandenborre |
I did it explicitly, to get some feedback without going into /var/log |
| 17:10 |
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markvandenborre |
http://pastie.org/9162817 |
| 17:10 |
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markvandenborre |
is what I got |
| 17:10 |
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markvandenborre |
something seems to be wrong somewhere there... |
| 17:11 |
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cait |
yeah that does look like a problem with your records :( |
| 17:11 |
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cait |
i am no unimarc expert |
| 17:11 |
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cait |
you might want to come back during the week |
| 17:12 |
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markvandenborre |
ok, so the best thing to do would probably use marc21? |
| 17:12 |
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markvandenborre |
almost everyone here seems to be using that... |
| 17:13 |
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markvandenborre |
could that be useful? |
| 17:14 |
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markvandenborre |
I seem to be using a rather exotic setup compared to other people in this channel, and this is only a virtual machine that should be a piece of cake to rebuild |
| 17:15 |
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markvandenborre |
and get working |
| 17:16 |
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cait |
i am not sure why you picked unimarc in the first place |
| 17:16 |
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cait |
best is to use what the libraries in your area are using |
| 17:18 |
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markvandenborre |
that's why I picked unimarc in the first place |
| 17:18 |
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markvandenborre |
research seems to suggest that most of continental Europe uses that |
| 17:18 |
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markvandenborre |
but it's really for such a small local library |
| 17:19 |
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cait |
hm that's not true |
| 17:19 |
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cait |
germany for example never used unimarc and switched to marc21 |
| 17:19 |
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markvandenborre |
Flanders, Belgium |
| 17:19 |
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cait |
france and spain use unimarc i think, not sur eabout other countries |
| 17:19 |
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markvandenborre |
Dutch speaking northern 55% of Belgium |
| 17:21 |
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cait |
hm not sure about there |
| 17:21 |
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markvandenborre |
just looked it up |
| 17:21 |
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markvandenborre |
marc21 |
| 17:22 |
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markvandenborre |
http://www.bibnet.be/portaal/B[…]-Vlacc/Open_Vlacc (in Dutch) |
| 17:22 |
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cait |
but you will have to redo your records |
| 17:22 |
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cait |
becauase the fields are all different |
| 17:22 |
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markvandenborre |
redoing the mappings you mean, indeed |
| 17:23 |
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markvandenborre |
there's only six or seven fields, so that's manageable |
| 17:23 |
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cait |
and you need to recreate your instance for marc21 i think |
| 17:23 |
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cait |
it would be easiest |
| 17:23 |
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markvandenborre |
ah, right, I could keep the virtual machine and the koha installation |
| 17:24 |
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markvandenborre |
and just throw out the instance and create a new one you mean |
| 17:24 |
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cait |
yeah and make sure it's configured to marc21 |
| 17:25 |
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markvandenborre |
cool, should save me some time |
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| 18:09 |
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WNickC |
so, some faqs mention git send-email, but git is not understanding that command, I assume I am missing something obvious |
| 18:19 |
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WNickC |
Oh, maybe i shoudl install git-email |
| 18:19 |
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WNickC |
smh |
| 18:20 |
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* markvandenborre |
is looking for a marc21 code where I could put the instrument(s) for a piece of sheet music |
| 18:20 |
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markvandenborre |
unimarc has something like that, but it seems marc21 has not |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
WNickC: yep - you'd need to install it separately |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
but sending hte email is no longer strictly required |
| 18:20 |
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markvandenborre |
unless I am missing something here |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
if you attach your patches to the bug that's ok |
| 18:20 |
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gmcharlt |
markvandenborre: the 382 |
| 18:21 |
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* cait |
waves at gmcharlt |
| 18:21 |
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gmcharlt |
markvandenborre: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd382.html |
| 18:21 |
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gmcharlt |
hi cait |
| 18:22 |
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markvandenborre |
thx gmcharlt |
| 18:25 |
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markvandenborre |
here's another special one that is hard to look for |
| 18:26 |
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markvandenborre |
the library had its own utterly inconsistent and inconsistently applied numbering system for sheet music |
| 18:26 |
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markvandenborre |
where should I dump that info? |
| 18:26 |
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markvandenborre |
I guess into some kind of note in the 500 range, but maybe there's better options? |
| 18:26 |
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WNickC |
if I submit a ptach should I also take the bug? |
| 18:27 |
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markvandenborre |
(I already need to dump some other things there) |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
WNickC: if you fix it yep assign it to yourself |
| 18:28 |
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* markvandenborre |
is looking, but nog finding anything useful immediately, especially as he needs to abuse "general notes" for something else |
| 18:29 |
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WNickC |
done, terrifying, now I'll go read mor ewiki so I ask less silly questions |
| 18:35 |
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* markvandenborre |
is looking at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd521.html and happy to have found 521 2 a |
| 18:35 |
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markvandenborre |
any idea how to feed that to csvtomarc.pl? |
| 18:35 |
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markvandenborre |
521_2_a? |
| 18:35 |
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markvandenborre |
or just 521_a? |
| 18:38 |
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markvandenborre |
ok, that was a stupid question of mine, sorry |
| 18:38 |
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markvandenborre |
I'll just experiment |
| 18:41 |
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jcamins |
I'm not sure csvtomarc does indicators. |
| 18:44 |
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markvandenborre |
it seems it doesn't, no harm done |
| 18:45 |
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markvandenborre |
I've been looking really hard now for a place to dump our inconsistent existing (sometimes non-existing) per-book code |
| 18:45 |
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markvandenborre |
any suggestions about that? |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
You might consider item. |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
*an item |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
Or a 001. |
| 18:45 |
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* markvandenborre |
looks at 001 (item would further complicate things it seems) |
| 18:46 |
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jcamins |
Or a 090. |
| 18:46 |
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markvandenborre |
err, 0xx only starts with 010? |
| 18:46 |
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jcamins |
Or 084. |
| 18:46 |
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jcamins |
Right, because 001 is 00x. |
| 18:47 |
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jcamins |
Yes, there is a reason, no you don't want to know it. |
| 18:47 |
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markvandenborre |
:-) |
| 18:48 |
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markvandenborre |
090n seems the most free form I can imagine |
| 18:48 |
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markvandenborre |
thx for the hint |
| 18:54 |
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* markvandenborre |
hapy |
| 18:54 |
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markvandenborre |
happy even |
| 18:54 |
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markvandenborre |
things are working as they should |
| 18:54 |
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markvandenborre |
thank you all! |
| 18:57 |
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markvandenborre |
especially to cait, jcamins, talljoy and gmcharlt (hope I'm not forgetting anyone) |
| 18:57 |
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markvandenborre |
this will really make a difference for a cash strapped small music academy |
| 19:01 |
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markvandenborre |
a rather off topic question: |
| 19:01 |
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markvandenborre |
does anyone know if imslp.org has a marc21 metadata set? |
| 19:02 |
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markvandenborre |
it would be _so_ incredibly cool if we could integrate that into the school library |
| 19:07 |
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* markvandenborre |
is so stupid... feeding himself feature requests... |
| 19:19 |
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cait |
I'd recommend one step after the other ;) |
| 19:21 |
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markvandenborre |
:-) |
| 19:22 |
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markvandenborre |
in any case, I'm really happy about this step |
| 19:22 |
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markvandenborre |
and my colleagues will be too |
| 19:22 |
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markvandenborre |
if you think what they have to suffer now... |
| 19:23 |
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markvandenborre |
4 different iTunes versions without any central metadata management |
| 19:23 |
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markvandenborre |
pdf documents stored on a file server that has been dying since 2010 |
| 19:23 |
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markvandenborre |
on many machines the file server authentication is taking over a minute for some reason |
| 19:24 |
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markvandenborre |
that and more... |
| 19:24 |
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markvandenborre |
and in a bit over a week, they get a new server, with a working sheet music repository that they can reliably search |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
:) |
| 19:37 |
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cait |
@wunder cologne |
| 19:37 |
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huginn |
cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:37 |
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cait |
@wunder Köln |
| 19:37 |
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huginn |
cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:37 |
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cait |
hm |
| 19:37 |
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cait |
@wunder Köln, Germany |
| 19:37 |
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huginn |
cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:42 |
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markvandenborre |
@wunder Koeln, Deutschland |
| 19:42 |
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huginn |
markvandenborre: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:42 |
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markvandenborre |
cait: pity, no cigar |
| 19:43 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 19:43 |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.4°C (9:40 PM CEST on May 10, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:43 |
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cait |
silly bot :) |
| 19:43 |
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* markvandenborre |
grins |
| 19:43 |
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markvandenborre |
I am looking for info on cover images now |
| 19:43 |
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markvandenborre |
I (will) have a pile of digital documents in 856u |
| 19:44 |
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markvandenborre |
and for most sheet music, no ISMN yet |
| 19:44 |
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cait |
i think most cover services work only with isbn :( but maybe you are lucky |
| 19:44 |
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* markvandenborre |
is naively hoping that there is a way for koha to pull the first page from that |
| 19:45 |
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markvandenborre |
856u pdf -> first page as cover image |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
ah no |
| 19:45 |
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markvandenborre |
rendered as png in browser |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
koha won't do that |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
you'd have to create that yourself as a local cover image |
| 19:45 |
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markvandenborre |
ok |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
koha will only show a link to it |
| 19:46 |
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markvandenborre |
unless it can be pulled from an ISMN/ISBN service like librarything/amazon/...? |
| 19:46 |
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markvandenborre |
(the cover image) |
| 19:46 |
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cait |
yeah currently, oyu can also upload local cover images |
| 19:46 |
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cait |
but koha can't do magic from the urls :) |
| 19:46 |
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markvandenborre |
ok |
| 19:47 |
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markvandenborre |
can the local cover image also be a url? |
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* markvandenborre |
is looking at cover image docs |
| 19:47 |
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markvandenborre |
for cover image docs |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
look at the system prferences for catalog enrichment |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
I think there is a way t omake an image link in 856 display the image |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
and maybe a sys ref search for 856 |
| 19:50 |
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markvandenborre |
cait: won't work, we really need the pdf to be 856u... |
| 19:50 |
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cait |
856 is repeatable |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
you can have multiple links in every record |
| 19:52 |
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markvandenborre |
ah, cool |
| 19:54 |
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markvandenborre |
I'm thinking about it should be trivial to write a small apache rule |
| 19:54 |
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markvandenborre |
that makes a request for the pdf and generates a cover image on the fly |
| 19:55 |
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markvandenborre |
lib.academy.blah/musicbook.pdf would grab the pdf |
| 19:56 |
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markvandenborre |
and lib.academy.blah/musicbook.pdf.png (or something similar) would pull the first page from the pdf, turn it into a png and feed it back to the browser |
| 19:58 |
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markvandenborre |
now I need to look at the interface for editors |
| 20:03 |
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markvandenborre |
right now, I have a very limited subset of marc21 in use: code (090_n), titel (245_a), componist (100_a), instrument(382_a), graad (521_2_a), type (500_a) |
| 20:05 |
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markvandenborre |
now we do want to add basic extra metadata of course, especially ISMN/ISBN |
| 20:05 |
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markvandenborre |
but that's about it |
| 20:05 |
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markvandenborre |
(apart from 856u for pdf and cover images) |
| 20:05 |
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markvandenborre |
is there a way to dumb down the interface for adding content as much as possible? |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
yes |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
marc frameworks |
| 20:08 |
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wahanui |
marc frameworks is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
youcan hide all fields youdon't want to use |
| 20:09 |
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markvandenborre |
cool, thx |
| 20:34 |
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markvandenborre |
cait: I see in my notes from the last time I tackled that |
| 20:34 |
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markvandenborre |
something about a column "hidden" in the ods export |
| 20:35 |
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cait |
yes |
| 20:35 |
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markvandenborre |
where some magic values are possible |
| 20:35 |
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cait |
well kind of yes |
| 20:35 |
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markvandenborre |
it seems there is a -6, -1, 0, 5 or 7 |
| 20:35 |
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cait |
what I'd do is set a field to the value you want and then look up which number that is in the ods |
| 20:35 |
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markvandenborre |
and -5 was - according to my notes- idden |
| 20:35 |
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cait |
that sounds about right |
| 20:35 |
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markvandenborre |
hidden |
| 20:36 |
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markvandenborre |
in order not to have to fiddle with it all, I think I'll copy paste it all to hidden |
| 20:36 |
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markvandenborre |
and unhide a few |
| 20:36 |
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markvandenborre |
the ones that i need |
| 20:36 |
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markvandenborre |
and see where that gets me |
| 20:37 |
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markvandenborre |
instead of manually redoing every single of 3961 fields |
| 20:37 |
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markvandenborre |
that would not be my definition of fun... |
| 20:45 |
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markvandenborre |
hm, that doesn't seem to hide everything... |
| 20:52 |
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cait |
where are you looking? |
| 20:52 |
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cait |
and I think you need to hide the field and the subfields |
| 21:05 |
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markvandenborre |
I found my way through it |
| 21:06 |
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markvandenborre |
I set the tab to -1 (ignore) for the unneeded ones, and to 0 for the relevant ones |
| 21:06 |
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markvandenborre |
and I set "hidden" to -5 for the unneeded ones and to 0 for the relevant ones |
| 21:07 |
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markvandenborre |
that did the trick |
| 21:08 |
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markvandenborre |
do you know if it will hurt anything if I change the description string for theses specific marc21 fields in my custom framework? |
| 21:08 |
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markvandenborre |
I'd like to change them to something more descriptive for our context, and to Dutch |
| 21:12 |
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cait |
no, that should not be a problem |
| 21:31 |
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markvandenborre |
is there a way to change the default framework that people adding or modifying records use? |
| 21:31 |
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markvandenborre |
or should I just copy my framework changes into the default framework and hope for the best? |
| 21:57 |
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markvandenborre |
hm, I try to add a new record to my catalog, but marc21 field 100a is locked for some reason |
| 21:57 |
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markvandenborre |
all the others work no problem |
| 21:57 |
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markvandenborre |
so I can't add the composer's name to the record |
| 21:57 |
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cait |
that's because you are supposed to create an authority record for it |
| 21:57 |
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cait |
using the plugin at the end of the field |
| 21:58 |
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cait |
you can deactivate that, check the manual - if you want to keep it more simple, but authorities can be a nice tihng |
| 21:58 |
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markvandenborre |
I figured out more or less that part, but our secretary is really really humble in the way she can interact with computers |
| 21:59 |
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markvandenborre |
and I don't want to add any layer of complexity there |
| 21:59 |
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markvandenborre |
or I will end up cleaning up the mess |
| 21:59 |
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markvandenborre |
after her |
| 21:59 |
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cait |
you can work without authorities - might create more mess tho with typos and the like :) |
| 22:01 |
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markvandenborre |
I will rely on my colleagues (users!) to iron those out |
| 22:01 |
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markvandenborre |
the comments function (it doesn't seem to be working, but I'll get to that later) |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
for example there might be all kind of different spellings for tschaikowsky (and not sure that is a valid one) |
| 22:01 |
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markvandenborre |
seems to be really nice for that |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
an authority record helps to improve search in those areas |
| 22:02 |
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markvandenborre |
doesn't zebra do a kind of fuzzy search already? |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
yeah |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
it does :) |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
but it doesn't catch them all i think |
| 22:03 |
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markvandenborre |
obviously |
| 22:03 |
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jcamins |
But it won't help if you use a spelling that isn't within one or two letters. |
| 22:03 |
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jcamins |
So Tschaikovsky and Chaikovskii definitely won't be found. |
| 22:03 |
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jcamins |
And, actually, the fuzzy search has other issues. |
| 22:07 |
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markvandenborre |
I do see the added value of that approach in many contexts, but not here... |
| 22:13 |
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markvandenborre |
I seem to find BiblioAddsAuthorities and AutoCreateAuthorities in the prefs |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
markvandenborre: it's a setting int he bilbiographic framework |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
faq? |
| 22:13 |
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wahanui |
faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
i think there is an entry on how to do it in the faq |
| 22:19 |
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markvandenborre |
just changed the right setting, thx |
| 22:19 |
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markvandenborre |
BiblioAddsAuthorities it was |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
hm that won't deactivate it tho |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
that will add automatically i think |
| 22:20 |
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markvandenborre |
no, that would need autocreateauthorities to be on |
| 22:21 |
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markvandenborre |
as far as I understand the manual |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
ahhm |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
ok :) |
| 22:21 |
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markvandenborre |
BiblioAddsAuthorities allow |
| 22:21 |
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markvandenborre |
AutoCreateAuthorities disallow |
| 22:21 |
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markvandenborre |
and there should be none of that kind of pollution |
| 22:24 |
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markvandenborre |
thx all, and good night |
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