IRC log for #koha, 2014-02-03

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01:39 blou hi #koha
01:40 blou any issue with ?
01:43 eythian Fetching kc
01:43 eythian fatal: read error: Verbinding is weggevallen
01:43 eythian error: Could not fetch kc
01:44 eythian yep, it ain't working
01:45 blou :)
01:45 dcook Can't access via the browser either
01:46 blou alright, it's not just me.
01:46 blou thanks
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02:34 eythian anyone have access to delete things from bugzilla. It's getting a bit of spam:[…].cgi?id=10951#c43
02:34 huginn Bug 10951: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Passed QA , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences
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03:38 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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04:02 mtompset blou2?
04:06 * mtompset cheers, "YAY! The needs sign off seems to have dropped a couple since I last looked."
04:08 mtompset oh wow... must have hit a slow point.
04:19 mtompset Is the git server slow for a reason?
04:19 eythian it was broken earlier
04:19 eythian it may still be
04:36 mtompset oh the pain... 89% compressing objects.
04:36 mtompset good thing there are only 273 objects total to deal with.
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04:54 mtompset Well... that was a bad move... oh well... I guess it's still broken.
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05:37 mtompset okay... there snuck it in... hopefully it's fixed for good.
06:35 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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06:45 * cait waves good morning
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07:07 cait hm lots of dicsonnects this morning
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07:36 reiveune hello
07:36 wahanui hello, reiveune
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08:01 gaetan_B hello
08:01 wahanui hola, gaetan_B
08:05 p\vdk hi
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08:20 cait good morning #koha
08:20 sophie_m hello cait and #koha
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08:28 cait h sophie_m :)
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08:35 marcelr hi #koha
08:36 marcelr cait: i do not completely understand your last comment on bug 11619
08:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11619 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Duplicate key in QueryParser config
08:38 cait marcelr: Jonathan said it shouldn't work when the queryparser is turned off - but i tested with the queryparser turned on
08:38 marcelr cait: you tested both cases and one did work?
08:39 cait marcelr: i tested only queryparser - i didn't expect the other to work
08:39 marcelr o wait
08:39 marcelr have not read that well i guess
08:39 marcelr i will retest it myself again
08:39 cait thank you
08:39 cait as I see you
08:40 cait could I ask you to take a look at one of the patches maybe?
08:40 cait bug 11078
08:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11078 enhancement, P4, ---, dpk, Signed Off , can lose updates due to race condition during full rebuilds
08:40 marcelr i will have a look somewhat later..
08:40 cait that's ok, i just don't feel like i can get this tested myself well
08:40 cait < not a sysadmin
08:41 marcelr cait: still have to answers too on bug 11617 :)
08:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11617 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Add itemnumber constraint to aqorders_items
08:41 marcelr s/s$//
08:42 cait marcelr: i didn't want to cause trouble, just trying to be careful before we throw out stuff :)
08:42 marcelr that is good, but Koha already throws out some stuff in that area
08:42 marcelr like biblionumber in aqorders..
08:43 cait marcelr: possibly, but with a db constraint it will be a total thing
08:43 cait yeah, we should keep that
08:43 cait i never understood why it does delete it
08:43 cait i think i even argued about that somewhere
08:43 marcelr i have dozens of Deleted bibliographic notice, can't find title in my test database
08:44 cait hm?
08:44 marcelr deleted biblios
08:46 cait they can't be searched
08:46 cait but the information is there for reporting... and if we are careful we could implement back the undo functionaltiy one day
08:46 cait rangi said it used to be possible, but got killed when other features were added
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08:50 marcelr cait: i would like to see the title for a deleted biblio in aqorders
08:51 marcelr and in a larger perspective: maybe we should not have deletedbiblio and deleteditems but have a status in biblio and items
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08:51 cait marcelr: i think this was for performance mostly
08:52 cait marcelr: not having the old things in those tables... and also it would require a lot of code changes
08:52 cait not sure that is worth it
08:52 marcelr i understand but it is a compromise
08:52 cait marcelr: and agreed on the title, - i never undestood why it was not implemented that way
08:56 cait marcelr: i think probably a misunderstanding
08:56 marcelr ?
08:56 cait why cancelled holds show no title
08:56 cait i mean we have the title in aqorders... and in deletedbiblio
08:57 cait there is really no reason not to show a title for cancelled ordres
08:58 marcelr yeah we could look it up, but do you really want code poking in the deleted-tables?
09:00 marcelr cait: about bug 11619: in only changed the commit message (not Jonathan)
09:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11619 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Duplicate key in QueryParser config
09:04 cait ah sorry, quite busy here
09:04 cait misread
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11:52 paxed i see a list of map projections in the marc21 006 and 008 builders XML files, but the position for those is just a normal input box
11:52 paxed is there supposed to be a selection list for the projections?
11:59 cait @later tell dcook found a Koha mention about an IFLA presentation from e. balnaves in a German library journal :)
11:59 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
12:00 cait paxed: if there are mulitple positions there is no better help yet
12:01 paxed has that been reported as a bug yes, do you remember off the top of your head?
12:01 paxed yet*
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12:06 SitHa hi there
12:06 wahanui hola, SitHa
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12:06 |Lupin| wrong nick...
12:07 |Lupin| good day wahanui
12:07 |Lupin| I was wondering, how is the chan logged and how are the logs made available on the web?
12:09 cait1 hi |Lupin| :)
12:10 cait1 how are you doing?
12:13 |Lupin| hey cait1 :)
12:13 |Lupin| doing well, thanks.
12:13 |Lupin| how about you?
12:13 cait1 busy, but well
12:14 cait1 are you on vacation?
12:15 |Lupin| cait1: busy too :)
12:15 |Lupin| cait1: no, at work but wanting to set up an IRC chan lpgger making the conversations availableon the web. So I thought #koha hasit and was wondering howit has been setup
12:16 cait1 logs?
12:16 wahanui rumour has it logs is
12:17 |Lupin| wahanui: but which bot is used? Do you know?
12:17 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, |lupin|
12:17 |Lupin| wahanui: ok, np
12:17 wahanui |Lupin|: what?
12:18 cait1 hm trying to read the source - ilbot?
12:18 cait1 wahanui is a bot :)
12:18 cait1 <title>ilbot - Irc log bot in Perl</title>
12:18 |Lupin| cait1: aaaaha! thanks!
12:18 cait1
12:18 |Lupin| cait1: and it is also that software thatmakes them available on the web?
12:18 wahanui okay, |Lupin|.
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12:44 francharb good morning
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13:23 gaetan_B hello
13:27 gaetan_B on a marc21 setup, the link to authorities or biblio identifiers is always in the $0 subfield ?
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14:05 druthb o/
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14:14 tcohen gmcharlt: around?
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14:18 banana It's Morning, #koha !
14:20 banana The early bird gets the worm!
14:20 banana I offer free to good home this morning...
14:21 banana two HP 49 inkjet cartridges, one hp #20 cartridge, and one HP #21 and #22 combo pack. Free pickup or pay actual shipping only
14:25 banana da**** sorry, wrong chat window
14:25 banana apologies
14:26 banana is there a "takeback" feature in chat?
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14:32 banana Morning Oak
14:34 Oak hello rhcl
14:34 Oak :)
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14:37 oleonard Hi #koha
14:37 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:37 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is -3.4°C (9:37 AM EST on February 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 am EST this morning...
14:37 druthb @wunder 77098
14:37 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 4.4°C (8:37 AM CST on February 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
14:39 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:39 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -12.9°C (8:39 AM CST on February 03, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 am Tuesday to 9 am CST Wednesday...
14:43 oleonard gmcharlt around?
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14:48 oleonard @later tell gmcharlt No, css/opac-old.css and css/sco-old.css should never have been committed and I should be publicly shamed for it
14:48 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
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15:05 ebegin We are having spam on bugzilla !?! see bug 10951, comment #43
15:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Passed QA , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences
15:07 cait ebegin: it looks like it
15:07 cait maybe rangi can delete it when he is back from his conf
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15:10 rhcl something inserted that link into the comment?
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15:12 ebegin yes, spam is all over the web
15:12 cait i think maybe even human spam
15:13 cait must create an account first
15:15 paul_p magnus_away = cheese lunch planned for wednesday ;-)
15:16 cait what other things?
15:16 wahanui other things are not available at all
15:16 cait i mean't what's for the other days?
15:17 rhcl I like cheese and ham. What time and where?
15:17 paul_p cait = monday lebanon, tuesday italian, thursd pizza & friday french buffet
15:17 paul_p rhcl = march 12th, hackfest, Marseille, France
15:18 oleonard I really thought I could make it happen this year, but no :(
15:18 cait yum lebanese!
15:21 cait paul_p: sounds excellent, only friday might be difficult with lots of people .)
15:22 paul_p cait friday difficult ? Why ?
15:22 cait ah, french cheese buffet :)
15:22 cait i was thinking of the restaurant at the beach
15:23 paul_p cait = it was a chinese one ;-)
15:23 paul_p cait and I discarded it because, you're right, we're too many and won't have enough cars
15:23 cait it was yummy, but the logistical part is too hard, i can understand that
15:24 cait :)
15:24 paul_p cait the french cheese will be on wed, the friday one will be french various food (from "la table de cana", like last year)
15:24 cait I am looking forward to it :)
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15:30 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:31 druthb hi, mtompset. :)
15:31 mtompset Greetingd, druthb.
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15:46 oleonard So SIP authentication works only with card number and not username?
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15:52 oleonard No SIP authentication with username means patron self-registration is problematic
15:53 mtompset FOOOOOD! Me need food now. :)
15:56 rhcl I think the French diet would quite agree with me.
15:56 rhcl pizza....lebanese...
15:56 rhcl italian...
16:01 * cait sends oleonard cookies, lots of cookies
16:02 cait oleonard: hm why?
16:02 oleonard why problematic?
16:02 cait oleonard: the problem with sip authentication is that it does not use the central module... but instead compares passwords with the database and ew.
16:02 cait yeah
16:03 oleonard We would like to offer online registration for "digital only" patrons who don't come into the library. If online registration only creates a username for them they can't instantly log into SIP-authenticated online services.
16:03 cait oh hm
16:03 cait it can#t create a password?
16:04 cait ah
16:04 oleonard It creates username and password, but SIP wants a card number.
16:04 cait sorry misreaad... bad day
16:04 cait you shoudl get sip auth fixed ;)
16:04 cait bug 9936
16:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9936 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SIP2 should use C4/ for user authentication
16:04 cait i have already filed the bug... we only need a patch
16:05 cait and an additional plus would be that authentication with ldap would work on the self check... (because you have no passwords in the db then)
16:07 mtompset Who do I request a modification to[…]veloper_handbook?
16:07 mtompset There is some secretive {{DevBook}} macro-y thing that I can't add the QA Test Tools page into.
16:07 oleonard Why do you need to make a request?
16:07 oleonard Oh
16:08 cait mtompset: have you checked pages that have the box?
16:08 cait mtompset: magnuse could do it but he is on vacatin
16:08 cait vacation even
16:08 mtompset What do you mean?
16:09 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "secretive macro-y thing" (3 lines) at
16:09 mtompset[…]eveloper_handbook
16:09 oleonard Looking at Bug 11664 makes me wonder if I'm not finding the option to *view* a patron list as opposed to add or edit
16:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11664 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , No way to select all/unselect all on patron list
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16:46 gaetan_B bye !
16:47 cait oleonard: i think i had edit
16:48 cait oleonard: but i think the interface s a bit confusing :(
16:48 cait oleonard: or add? I was testing your bugfix and added patrons and then noticed i couldn't remove them
16:48 cait well all of them
16:49 oleonard Yes I think that page can be made clearer by making it conform better to existing patterns.
16:50 oleonard I'm thinking of separating the add and delete actions for instance. Right now clicking "update" will both add and delete patrons. I think having a separate "update" button at the top implies that it will not delete.
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16:51 cait oleonard: I was thinking about that too yesterday - soudns good!
16:54 * Dyrcona pulls up in a black-flagged ship.
16:55 Dyrcona Oh wait. Never mind. There's a more appropriate channel to commandeer.
16:57 mtompset I just realized that koha spelt backwards is ah ok. :)
16:59 cait Dyrcona: you just made me realize it's really time to go home :)
17:00 Dyrcona Yarr!
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17:09 rhcl mtompset: that's actually quite an insight
17:11 oleonard Koha is the opposite of disappointed resignation.
17:13 gmcharlt @quote add Koha is the opposite of disappointed resignation.
17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #294 added.
17:13 gmcharlt @quote remove 294
17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
17:13 gmcharlt @quote add <mtompset> I just realized that koha spelt backwards is ah ok. :)
17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #295 added.
17:13 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> Koha is the opposite of disappointed resignation.
17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #296 added.
17:20 oleonard Got a question about diacritics: I have a patron category which has characters with diacritics. On some pages the diacritics are shown correctly, on others they show up as ?
17:21 oleonard What's different about the two pages?
17:30 reiveune bye
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17:32 mtompset What pages are you talking about oleonard?
17:32 oleonard For instance: Looks fine on patron search results page (members/ Doesn't look fine on patron list page (patron_lists/
17:34 mtompset And you mean the patron category name, right?
17:34 oleonard Yes
17:39 mtompset where is the patron list page?
17:39 mtompset Nevermind... tools.
17:40 mtompset EEEEW!
17:44 mtompset perhaps the schema is not utf-8 friendly?
17:48 mtompset hMMM... double encoding?
17:52 tcohen mtompset: context?
17:52 wahanui context is everything?
17:53 mtompset I was looking at what oleonard was mentioning.
17:53 mtompset Those lovely question mark diamonds appear in the patron_lists/
17:53 mtompset the data is correct in the DB.
17:54 mtompset it displays properly elsewhere.
17:54 tcohen on master?
17:54 mtompset But this patron list uses the new schema stuff.
17:54 mtompset yes.
17:57 tcohen if you're logged as kohaadmin it breaks
17:59 oleonard tcohen: ?
17:59 tcohen i was logged as kohaadmin and trying to create a new patron list broke Koha
18:00 oleonard "This is a bad idea, and you are likely to encounter problems." :P
18:00 tcohen agreed, but Koha should never break
18:01 tcohen
18:02 tcohen how do I break encoding?
18:02 oleonard Change the description of your patron category
18:02 wahanui oleonard: that doesn't look right
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18:02 oleonard Sorry wahanui
18:05 tcohen i'm sorry, i cannot reproduce
18:06 tcohen
18:07 mtompset Patroñ with OPAC Füße
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18:07 mtompset Really?
18:10 mtompset
18:11 mtompset I can reproduce it.
18:11 oleonard That's what I see too mtompset
18:12 mtompset tcohen... could you paste your patron description here?
18:13 tcohen Staff حموحموحموññññ
18:13 oleonard Although I also have problems with the display of the patron name if it has special characters and obviously tcohen doesn't
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18:15 mtompset
18:16 cait oleonard++
18:16 mtompset So, what difference is there between tcohen's setup and ours? :)
18:17 cait ?
18:19 mtompset tcohen: What is the output of "show variables like '%coll%';" on your mysql server?
18:20 mtompset and %char% too. :)
18:21 tcohen utf8_general_ci and utf8 respectively
18:22 mtompset nothing says latin1 or something like it?
18:22 tcohen nope
18:22 mtompset oleonard: What about you?
18:22 tcohen its a fresh install loading the default schema and sample data
18:26 * mtompset laughs.
18:27 mtompset[…]rball#Tweaking_my.cnf
18:27 mtompset I put those tweaks into mysql server and now... it displays the data correctly, but the name has gone bad.
18:28 mtompset
18:28 mtompset Let's change the name...
18:29 mtompset and fixes.
18:30 mtompset Hope that helps, oleonard.
18:35 mtompset This does make me wonder: should we need to tweak the mysql configuration file like that? What about packages?
18:55 oleonard Thanks mtompset that does fix it for me.
18:55 oleonard mtompset++
18:55 oleonard ...although I still wonder why it looked okay on one page and not the other.
18:56 mtompset I suspect the handshaking of schema vs. handshaking of dbi is different.
18:56 mtompset and basically you told the sql server to always hand back utf8, regardless of what the client says.
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19:12 JWellner Hi Rocio
19:33 cait oleonard++ again... he must be a mind reader :)
19:34 oleonard ?
19:34 cait removing the sort on the columns
19:34 cait readming my bug mail right now :)
19:35 oleonard Oh shoot I submitted the patch for  Bug 11671 without checking how it conflicted with Bug 11636
19:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability
19:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11636 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Impossible to remove patrons from patron list during add process
19:36 oleonard badly.
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19:37 * oleonard will resubmit and make it dependent
20:25 rhcl is rangi back at work yet?
20:28 cait rhcl: he is at vala - conference in australia
20:39 rhcl oh
20:48 wizzyrea he may be around some, but probably very busy
20:59 rhcl not important at all
21:17 oleonard Bye #koha
21:23 eythian hi
21:23 wahanui hey, eythian
21:28 cait hi eythian :)
21:28 eythian howdy cait
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21:33 wizzyrea @later tell tcohen at your leisure, lmk what you need for the site
21:33 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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22:18 bag hello
22:21 wizzyrea sup bag
22:22 bag heya :)  glad someone didn't leave me hanging  - high five wizzyrea
22:24 wizzyrea o/* HIGHFIVE *\o
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22:57 rhcl I deleted about 200 Hi5 messages yesterday from an old, little-used yahoo account
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