IRC log for #koha, 2014-01-17

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00:07 eythian @wunder nzwn
00:07 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (12:30 PM NZDT on January 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
00:19 mtj hey peeps, does anyone know of a script to generate auth records, from your Koha's bibs…?
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00:20 mtj (assuming here that your bibs are already imported into your Koha)
00:20 dcook mtj: It's a question that has been asked time and again, and there are varying opinions
00:20 mtj heya dcook  :)
00:20 dcook hey :)
00:21 dcook I think a question you need to ask yourself (or your client) is why you want auth records generated from Koha bibs
00:25 mtj its just for testing, at the mo
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00:30 dcook Well, mtj, I think people have used a Koha script to do it but that it has potentially problematic results.
00:30 dcook My boss has written a PHP script which will do it.
00:31 dcook But personally, I don't think it's necessarily a great idea.
00:31 dcook I suppose it might work if you generate authorities and then merge them together...
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00:32 mtj for prepping a koha for auth testing, it might be handy
00:32 dcook But it seems like a better idea might be to get a list of all existing entries they want, have them review them, and then set up proper authorities and do things from there
00:32 dcook Hmm
00:33 dcook What is auth testing?
00:34 wizzyrea testing authorities, I reckon
00:34 dcook But what does that mean?
00:34 dcook Testing them in what way?
00:34 wizzyrea seeing how they work? playing around with cataloguing?
00:35 dcook Wouldn't it make sense to have a demo system with properly set up authorities then?
00:35 dcook I suppose people might want to use their own data..
00:35 wizzyrea ^
00:35 dcook But then they should be doing what I suggested before
00:35 dcook Actually doing authority control
00:37 dcook Or if they use something like LCSH, those could be imported, then the normal linker could be used most likely
00:37 dcook Anyway, I need to grab more water and possibly food.
00:37 dcook mtj: Maybe rig up a script to do it? That's what my boss did. I don't think Koha has one for that purpose.
00:45 mtompset oh well that sucks.... I don't know how the person triggered that error. :(
00:45 wizzyrea which bug?
00:45 mtj fwiw, Frédéric has a koha-auth script that looks promising too…
00:45 mtj[…]032/bin/koha-auth
00:47 mtj anyhoo.. thanks for the advice dcook  :)
00:48 mtj hey mtompset, i checked out that digitalocean stuff… looks really impressive
00:49 mtompset Yes, it's a very nice host, as far as I have experienced it thus far.
00:49 * dcook perks up
00:49 * dcook has been thinking about getting a digital ocean vps
00:49 dcook no worries, mtj
00:50 mtompset Just make sure you don't get your server in New York, lest it get subjected to the Patriot Act. ;)
00:50 dcook Hmm
00:50 dcook Actually, that was one of my questions
00:50 dcook Where abouts are their servers?
00:50 * dcook wouldn't mind something in Canadia
00:50 mtj yeah, nederlands vps for me...
00:50 * dcook never heard the Canadia joke before moving to Australia. He still isn't sure the first person who said it to him was joking...
00:51 mtompset I think amsterdam, london, and new york.
00:51 dcook Hmm, nothing too local for this guy
00:51 dcook But cheap as chips...
00:51 pianohacker I'd say prgmr, love them to pieces, but they're in california
00:51 dcook I just want something that I can load up with library software and poke until it explodes (figuratively)
00:53 dcook Hmm, prgmr seems a bit pricey
00:53 dcook Hmm, then again..
00:53 dcook Maybe not too bad
00:53 pianohacker they is, but they allow any OS/kernel you want and have literally had 0 problems for me in the year I've been using them
00:54 jcamins dcook: prgmr is supposed to be really amazing.
00:54 pianohacker plus local mirrors of major distro's packages, so installs/updates are damn fast
00:55 dcook Mmm
00:55 dcook Decisions, decisions!
00:56 pianohacker finding a good VPS is hard
00:57 pianohacker all right, I'm outta here. See you all!
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02:49 mtompset dcook: Interesting idea, but I hate wysiwyg editors. :)
03:09 dcook Yeah, I hate them as well, but I figure folks use them.
03:09 dcook They're oft asked for amongst clients
03:19 wizzyrea i'm torn on that one
03:20 wizzyrea I often have things that I need to hack in there to make things go
03:20 wizzyrea things that a wysiwyg editor might get annoyed about, even with a html editor mode
03:20 wizzyrea (like javascript)
03:21 wizzyrea but librarians would probably love it
03:26 dcook Hmm, I wonder how javascript would fare in there
03:26 dcook Although why do you have javascript in your html sysprefs?
03:27 wizzyrea to show things in a fancy manner, or include externally generated files
03:28 wizzyrea actually I may not have any of those anymore
03:28 wizzyrea now that I think abou tit.
03:28 wizzyrea about it*
03:29 dcook I would think all of that could go into the userJS, no?
03:32 wizzyrea depends
03:41 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "OPACBaseURL" (2 lines) at
03:41 dcook Is it just me, or shouldn't $ENV{SERVER_NAME} actually be C4::Context->preference("OPACBaseURL")?
03:42 dcook Commit from 2009...maybe that's why
03:42 dcook Well, I guess that wouldn't work with the rest of that statement..
03:43 dcook But shouldn't need that either..
03:55 francesca goodbye! I am going now and the academy is finished
03:56 dcook ta francesca! Nice having you around
03:56 * francesca waves goodbye to all the awesome koha people
03:56 francesca thanks! :)
03:56 * dcook will remember the fervent Doctor Whoing ;)
03:56 francesca lol me too
04:10 dcook Yep SERVER_NAME is definitely coming back with the proxy server's name..
04:11 mtompset dcook: SERVER_NAME... because each virtual host could have a different name?
04:11 * mtompset is guessing.
04:12 dcook If we had Apache on its own, it probably would return the SERVER_NAME of the vhost
04:13 dcook The SERVER_ADMIN looks like it's coming from Apache though..
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04:25 dcook Hmm, tough to test..
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04:32 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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04:41 Oak kia ora #koha
04:42 dcook hey Oak
04:42 dcook Hmm, even on my VM without a proxy, $ENV{SERVER_NAME} is still the IP address and not the SERVERNAME in the vhost..
04:45 Oak hey dcook
05:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9788: (follow-up) update the bootstrap theme <[…]200aaed11a3983bf7> / Bug 9788: (follow-up) Unit tests for changed routine GetReservesFromItemnumber <[…]f55be6c084abc1ff5> / Bug 9788: QA followup <[…]oha.git;a=commitd
05:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11476: remove extra empty option from title pull-down in OPAC self-registration <[…]cf3e573e72b424eb5> / Bug 11018: allow adding order from a reverted MARC batch <[…]8e248002b10ec0dd3>
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06:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11477: (follow-up) improve display of user/patrons in logs tool <[…]39d42d67c2905b813> / Bug 11477 - Add names for librarian and borrowers in the logs <[…]9ef3bbb7618a8964c> / Bug 11473: (follow-up) ensure link to item is construct correctly <http://git.k
06:22 dcook hey cait
06:22 dcook Time for me to get moving, I guess
06:22 cait hi dcook
06:24 dcook have a good Friday, cait :)
06:24 dcook night all
06:24 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:24 cait :)
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06:47 rangi hey MrAgent075
06:47 wahanui MrAgent075 is our academy student :)
06:47 rangi heh
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06:47 MrAgent075 Hey There rangi
06:48 rangi you still at catalyst?
06:48 thanh yes
06:48 MrAgent075 at home at the moment.
06:48 rangi sweet
06:48 MrAgent075 Left ages ago...
06:49 rangi there were still a few left when i left, about 6.40
06:51 MrAgent075 Oh yeah? I guarantee they will probably come back - like I did.
06:53 rangi excellent :)
06:54 MrAgent075 I shall put a patch for that Javascript on the add-items page (cataloguing) sometime soon & do more stuff for the dashboard.
06:54 rangi awesome that would be great
06:55 MrAgent075 You might want to quote this, but this is not the last you hear from me - and any of the other academy students for that matter. :)
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06:57 rangi @quote add < MrAgent075> You might want to quote this, but this is not the last you hear from me - and any of the other academy students for that matter. :)
06:57 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.  Quote #290 added.
06:57 rangi done :)
07:06 MrAgent075 Cheers! xD. To the crew in Wellington - enjoy the long weekend.
07:09 * magnuse waves from norway
07:29 rangi hey magnuse
07:29 wahanui i guess magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:30 rangi seems like lots of positive reaction (except one troll, but its norway so there has to be a troll ) to the announcement
07:33 magnuse yup, that is a good analysis, rangi :-)
07:33 * magnuse looks for the phone number to the troll hunter
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07:37 reiveune hello
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07:40 reiveune hello
07:40 rangi hi reiveune
07:41 reiveune salut rangi , kathryn magnus :)
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07:44 alex_a bonjour
07:44 wahanui kai ora, alex_a
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08:04 cait hi #koha
08:06 wizzyrea morning cait
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08:07 Joubu hi
08:07 wizzyrea Ah europe awakens!
08:07 wizzyrea hi joubu :)
08:07 cait hi wizzyrea and Joubu
08:08 * magnuse waves to wizzyrea
08:08 wizzyrea grats on oslo public man, that's wicked awesome
08:09 Joubu not really totally awaken...
08:09 * cait sends Joubu coffee
08:10 * cait waves at magnuse
08:10 * wizzyrea plays some soothing music and makes some coffee
08:10 Joubu cait: rather tea please :)
08:10 cait ah same here
08:10 cait wizzyrea: can you make tea instead? :)
08:11 * wizzyrea makes tea instead - earl grey, blue flower.
08:11 wizzyrea milk and sugar?
08:11 wizzyrea :)
08:11 Joubu water is boiling!
08:11 wizzyrea or honey?
08:11 cait hm neither
08:12 * wizzyrea makes plain tea for cait
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08:15 cait :)
08:15 cait wizzyrea++
08:20 wizzyrea hm I'm looking at bug 11573 - the double ups *are* annoying
08:20 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11573 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , change description of charges in account fines
08:20 wizzyrea what do you think of making that link show the title of the book when you hover for things like rentals?
08:21 wizzyrea that might be a daft idea.
08:26 wizzyrea like so:
08:27 * magnuse waves at cait
08:27 magnuse wizzyrea: yup, pretty awesome :-)
08:29 cait wizzyrea: i think having the title there directly is a bit nicer
08:29 cait wizzyrea: because easier to see if there are lots of lines where the one is you are looking for
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08:31 gaetan_B hello
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08:46 fridolin hie all
08:47 ashimema mornin' fredolin
08:47 ashimema mornin' fridolin
08:47 ashimema even..
08:48 cait hi ashimema
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08:49 ashimema Hi cait
08:49 cait hi paul_p
08:49 paul_p good morning #koha !
09:41 wizzyrea bug 11569 - I won't be stealing this typo fix from anyone if I do a patch?
09:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11569 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Typo in userpermissions.sql
09:41 wizzyrea cait ^
09:43 * wizzyrea leaves it in it's WIP branch, will submit if it's not destined for someone else
10:09 cait i don't thin it is
10:10 cait destined i mean
10:53 paxed sql query help: how do i get a list of marc subfields, and how many times each is used?
10:54 wizzyrea sql report library?
10:54 wahanui i heard sql report library was at[…]L_Reports_Library
10:54 paxed already looked at it.
10:54 wizzyrea I just saw one like that there earlier today
10:55 magnuse paxed: do you mean used in frameworks or records?
10:56 paxed magnuse: just appearing in marc biblios
10:56 wizzyrea there's an example of counting fields under "query marc"
10:57 wizzyrea it might be a place to start anyway
10:57 wizzyrea it's the last example before runtime parameters.
12:08 * magnuse waves at khall
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12:13 tcohen morning #koha
12:16 cait hi khall and tcohen
12:17 tcohen hi cait!
12:17 khall mornin magnus, cait!
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12:27 tcohen heya khall
12:28 khall hey tcohen!
12:29 tcohen tell me khall, what is the weirdest thing you've eaten in deep-fried form
12:30 khall probably corn on the cob
12:30 tcohen it keeps coming back to my mind that I should have tried some deepfried stuff
12:30 tcohen deep fried oreos?
12:30 khall lol! You can deep fry *anything* if you dip it in batter first!
12:31 khall deep fried oreos are great but really strong
12:31 khall I've had them a couple times, I can only eat one or two
12:31 magnuse what is it they deep fry in edinburgh? mars bars?
12:32 tcohen is there a special device for the process or an ordinary kitchen can do it?
12:46 jcamins magnuse: yeah.
12:46 jcamins tcohen: a deep fryer makes it easier, but you can do it with a pot full of oil and wanton disregard for health.
12:47 tcohen heh, of course I health is a collateral issue
12:48 jcamins I think you mean "collateral damage." :P
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12:49 tcohen oh, you're being serious about deep fried vs. health
12:50 francharb good moring all
12:50 jcamins Eating deep fried food is unhealthy, but it's not really *that* bad, all things considered.
12:50 francharb jcamins++
12:50 jcamins But this doesn't stop me from making jokes about how unhealthy it is.
12:50 jcamins francharb: good morning.
12:50 * francharb likes anything deep fried
12:50 francharb ;)
12:51 francharb deep fried pickles are the best!
12:51 francharb o/ jcamins
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12:57 cait francharb: with batter or without?
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13:01 francharb cait, not my receipe and those I ate, I can't tell...
13:01 francharb but it was so good!
13:02 jcamins cait: with batter usually.
13:03 magnuse a deep fryer might perhaps make it safer too? if it has a thermostat thingy for controlling the temperature?
13:03 magnuse @wunder boo
13:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 17, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
13:03 jcamins magnuse: yeah, that does make it safer, but it's easy to do at home.
13:03 magnuse anyone wanna take my dogs outside for a bit?
13:03 jcamins Provided you don't mind using massive amounts of oil, and contemplating that fact.
13:05 * jcamins shallow fries occasionally, but can't bring himself to deep fry, deliciousness notwithstanding.
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14:10 magnuse huh, is there some magic other than "use C4::Context" i have to do before i can call C4::Context->userenv?
14:10 cait khall++
14:11 khall magnuse: from intranet or opac?
14:11 cait # QA and follow ups .)
14:12 magnuse khall: intranet
14:12 wahanui somebody said intranet was completly unusable with it
14:13 magnuse it?
14:13 khall I found something interesting, odd and frustrating. If you access the OPAC from a web browser that you've never accessed said OPAC from before, userenv is not set. You can reproduce with incognito mode in chrome
14:13 khall I guess it's because of the lack of cookies
14:14 khall magnuse: assumming intranet is logged into, you shouldn't need to do anything else
14:14 magnuse oh noes, lack of cookies?!?
14:14 magnuse weird, i'm definitely logged in
14:15 khall are you using it before calling get_template_and_user?
14:15 magnuse my $userenv = C4::Context->userenv; warn Dumper $userenv; gives me $VAR1 = undef;
14:15 * magnuse facepalms
14:15 magnuse khall++
14:16 magnuse and i actually thought at one point that might be a problem...
14:17 khall yeah, I've run into similar issues in the recent past ; )
14:21 magnuse :-)
14:22 khall magnuse: also I believe checkauth will set userenv as well if you don't need a template
14:22 tcohen khall++
14:23 tcohen qa job
14:26 magnuse khall: but i need one, like a fish needs water
14:26 khall lol
14:26 druthb o/
14:26 magnuse ok, so we have way too many "needs signoff", but we do have 107 signoffs so far in january, which is pretty impressive, if you ask me...
14:26 khall mornin druthb!
14:26 magnuse druthb!
14:26 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
14:27 cait magnuse: things are just being crazy
14:27 cait the ususal
14:27 cait usual even
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14:34 jcamins magnuse: are you using Plack? Because C4::Context->userenv can fail under Plack if you don't load C4::Context in your psgi file.
14:38 magnuse jcamins: not yet, but the problem this time was calling C4::Context->userenv before get_template_and_user
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15:10 edveal good morning
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15:34 jcamins Any French speakers around who might know what "CSV Résidence Provinciale Outremont" means?
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15:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:37 jcamins I think it's Clercs de Saint-Viateur, never mind.
15:37 Joubu jcamins: Whaou. I don't know :) Outremont is the old name for Montreal.
15:37 Joubu yes, it is what I found too
15:37 Joubu[…]s_of_Saint_Viator
15:38 jcamins Oh, that makes lots of sense! I thought it meant "Home of the Clerics of Saint Viator of the Provincial Province."
15:38 jcamins Montreal Province is much more logical.
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15:43 jcamins Heh. Speaking of Montreal.
15:44 ebegin jcamins, yes ?
15:44 jcamins ebegin: I was just speaking of Montreal, and you signed on. :)
15:44 mtompset jcamins++ # for excellent timing
15:45 mtompset ebegin++ # for excellent timing
15:45 ebegin jcamins, I cheated, francharb told me that you asked this question :)
15:45 mtompset ebegin++ # for honesty. ;)
15:46 jcamins Hehe. I was thinking that was quite a coincidence.
15:46 cait ebegin: i saw your email for the automatic reneal feature - the library is going to sue rfid and self checks - so the checkbox would not work for them :)
15:46 mtompset going to sue?
15:46 cait udr...
15:46 cait ht.
15:46 cait gr.
15:46 ebegin mtompset,  use :)
15:46 cait :)
15:46 mtompset *whew*
15:47 mtompset a typo makes a big difference. :)
15:48 ebegin cait, ok, I agree that the checkbox can not serve this... too bad, it would be a quick addition
15:49 francharb Joubu, montreal old name is "ville marie"
15:49 francharb outremont is one of montreal borough
15:53 cait ebegin: i thik the other won't be much worse - for the checkbox you'd have to change more in C4 i think... we will see :)
15:54 cait ebegin: the library works with us :) i am very excited about the rfc and them getting invovled in development :)
15:54 Joubu francharb: ho ok!  Thanks for the precision :)
15:54 ebegin cait, that require an very specific type of document for the document you want to be auto renew
15:54 cait ?
15:54 cait sorry, not sure I understand
15:55 ebegin cait, I mean, having it in the issuing rules, you will have create a rules to activate the auto renew
15:56 ebegin that rule will target a specific type of document.
15:57 francharb Joubu, ;)
15:58 ebegin so all loans from that document type will be auto renew. By experience, only few people require long term loans. But I don't know about your client.
16:00 cait ah
16:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11330: (follow-up) fix description of 951 tag in the default framework <[…]340fb4086aeaf6d77> / Bug 11330: fix inconsistent field/subfield descriptions on MARC21 bibliographic frame... <[…]7644cacbbbd1dd075> / Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in
16:00 cait it's a university
16:00 cait it#s not an unusual feature around here
16:00 cait often professors or staff members get long term loans
16:00 cait and only have to return the book when there is a hold
16:01 reiveune bye
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16:01 gmcharlt my thought -- put the flag in both issuingrules and issues.  when a loan is made, the flag value is taken from issuingrules and used to set issues.  sysprefs can control whether patrons are allowed to twiddle the issue-level flag
16:01 cait i think normally it would not be exposed to the patron
16:01 cait only staff side
16:01 gmcharlt the idea would be once a loan is made, the auto_renew flag on the /issue/ is check henceforth; it never goes back and looks at issuingrulers
16:02 cait but i like the idea - just thinking that the configuration has to be for itemtype/category/branch - so smart rule sis the best place
16:02 cait gmcharlt: sounds good
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16:25 tcohen actions one would like to do to cover images through AJAX: delete, fetch, update?
16:25 tcohen add
16:25 jcamins tcohen: apply convolution filters?
16:25 jcamins Probably not.
16:26 tcohen heh
16:26 tcohen i'd like to add some fancy stuff like drag and drop cover images in the staff interface
16:26 mtompset fridolin++ # I like bug 11254. :)
16:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11254 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , breeding search must normalize ISBN
16:26 mtompset Almost signed off. :)
16:27 jcamins "The first Integrated Library System to offer built-in customizable edge detection!"
16:27 jcamins "The only ILS with built-in feature detection!" (fact checking required)
16:28 jcamins "Bring your library into a whole new domain with Fourier transforms!"
16:28 jcamins Too geeky?
16:29 jcamins Oooh! "*Speed* your library into a whole new domain with Fast Fourier Transforms!"
16:33 tcohen jcamins: make google optimize your images (just to start a flame war)
16:34 jcamins tcohen: heh. But that doesn't have nearly as cool a slogan as "Bring your library into a whole new domain with Fourier transforms."
16:36 Joubu have a good week end #koha
16:36 Joubu bye
16:36 mtompset FAST! Bring your library into whole new domain FAST using FAST fourier Transforms!
16:36 mtompset Today only?
16:36 mtompset :)
16:37 mtompset Has to be read in a monster truck car demolition announcement type voice.
16:39 fridolin see you
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16:40 cait *sigh
16:40 cait parenthesis in callnumbers
16:40 * cait feels doomed
16:43 jcamins tcohen: not quite as good as the Fourier transform ones, but: "Making wavelets! Now with JPEG2000 support!"
16:50 rambutan cait: what would you think about porting koha from perl to lisp?
16:55 rambutan :)
16:55 gmcharlt rambutan: not ambitious enough
16:55 gmcharlt surely we should add in a few more languages for variety
16:55 gmcharlt Forth
16:55 gmcharlt APL
16:55 rambutan PL1
16:56 gmcharlt[…]ramming_language)
16:56 cait rambutan: it's fine with me - as lons as i can search callnumbers with ()? :)
16:56 cait yeah one of the esoteric languages
16:56 jcamins gmcharlt: the other day I actually said non-ironically "this should be more like APL."
16:57 jcamins And a few minutes ago I said "Bring your library into a whole new domain with Fourier transforms," so I suppose you were already doubting my sanity.
16:57 * gmcharlt has a had a settled opinion on that question for quite a while ;-P
16:58 rambutan now that's quite funny
16:58 jcamins lol
16:59 jcamins rambutan: the Fourier transform joke? I thought so too, but no one seems to agree with me.
17:00 rambutan well, if you want to incorporate FFTs into Koha we'll need to port it to run on an oscilloscope
17:01 jcamins rambutan: or just use JPGs...
17:03 jcamins I also came up with "Making wavelets in all the library circles" for the introduction of JPEG2000 images to the library's Google+ page.
17:03 gmcharlt should make a splash
17:05 jcamins gmcharlt: certainly it threw my web browser a curve.
17:05 mtompset woo hoo! 10 signoffs. :)
17:06 * jcamins is not planning on becoming a professional comedian. Don't worry.
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17:11 cait have a nice weekend #koha
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17:23 mtompset Why be professional, when amateur still gets you gigs, jcamins? ;)
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18:05 gaetan_B bye !
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21:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11056: Delete dead code in <[…]1ebbd13e70f266d77> / Bug 11138: add auto_unsuspend_holds to daily crontab (Debian package) <[…]971f681b09d3eb265> / Bug 11138 - Add auto_unsuspend_reserves to crontab.example <
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22:29 gmcharlt you know you've got a bit too much Koha on the brain when you find yourself creating a file called .ssh/authorized_values
22:34 rambutan :)
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