IRC log for #koha, 2014-01-07

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00:05 dcook I might not have signed off but at least I lowered the queue by one..
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00:28 dcook Mmm, I forgot about the "delimiter" syspref...
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01:14 mtompset this weather is awful! ouch!
01:14 mtompset http://www.theweathernetwork.c[…]5&var1=1073994112
01:14 mtompset I didn't quite shovel my driveway enough, and the car got stuck for 1.5 hours.
01:27 wizzyrea oops.
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01:29 mtompset Now my back aches, arms ache,and am totally exhausted, and I'm short on hours today as a result of these delays.
02:17 dcook mtompset: You need to have children so they can do it for you
02:17 dcook You might need to put in 15 years before they can do that though..
02:18 dcook I want to have healthy children someday...
02:18 dcook that they can do the chores well :p
02:20 talljoy funny, just had this conversation with mine today.
02:20 talljoy teen "what are we free labor"
02:20 talljoy me: "um yah.  that's why i had kids"
02:21 talljoy he is 14 years old.  so your estimate dcook is not that far off.
02:21 dcook hehe
02:21 dcook Yeah, I suppose 14 is when I got man sized
02:22 dcook No snow to push in Texas I imagine though?
02:22 * dcook wonders if mowing lawns is worse than pushing snow
02:23 talljoy no snow
02:23 talljoy he was doing dishes.
02:23 dcook Notwithstanding the East coast and the occasional storm, it doesn't really snow *that* much in Canada..
02:23 dcook talljoy: I think that's why my wife married me
02:23 * dcook does the dishes (usually)
02:23 talljoy and he's not quite man sized.  he's close...about 5 foot 9 or 5 foot 10 he has a few more inches to grow.
02:24 talljoy dishwashers are worth their weight in gold.  mine is broken, hence the child labor
02:24 dcook Pretty good size for hard labour ;).
02:24 talljoy if i had snow, he'd be out there shoveling. for sure.
02:24 dcook Yeah, I had a dishwasher in high school. It was rather handy.
02:24 dcook hehe
02:24 talljoy right now he's a good size for getting things off the top shelf fo rme.
02:25 talljoy when i don't want to get up myself.  given i'm still taller
02:25 jcamins talljoy: but... aren't you about a million feet tall?
02:25 talljoy near abouts.
02:25 dcook hehe
02:25 dcook I was going to say
02:25 dcook Now that I think about it, I'm the tall one, and I'm the one still reaching things on the bottom shelves..
02:26 dcook I think I might just be the manslave
02:26 dcook Mmm, she does cook really well though..
02:26 talljoy that's why i had two kids.  one is taller and one is shorter. one for the plates, one for the placemats
02:26 dcook lol
02:27 talljoy strategic family planning
02:27 dcook Nothwithstanding a difficult pregnancy, sleepless nights, and parenting difficulties, I think I'm looking forward to having my own legion
02:27 dcook So to speak
02:27 * dcook doesn't want *that* many children
02:27 dcook The eugenics is because we care
02:27 talljoy LOL
02:30 talljoy i'm done for the night.  later y'all
02:30 dcook night talljoy
02:33 wizzyrea but you also get the sassing and the whinging!
02:33 wizzyrea ...and the hugs and kisses too.
02:38 dcook Hmm, perhaps a decent trade off
02:38 dcook Actually, I'm really looking forward to seeing them stand up for something
02:38 dcook Besides chocolate that is
02:38 dcook I mean ethically
02:39 dcook On an unrelated note, anyone know why "koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cat​aloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_008.xml" might not be updated on the koha-community/gitweb, but it is in master?
02:40 dcook Bug 10141 doesn't appear in the history online, but it's definitely there..
02:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10141 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Enable "18-21 Illustrations" and "24-27 Nature of contents" options for plugin
02:42 dcook Actually, I might have an idea..
02:42 dcook It's probably because I'm a silly pants
02:45 dcook Had the wrong context but now I can't find the file at all..
02:47 dcook Don't know if it is relevant, but I'm getting a "GET[…]/static/gitweb.js 404 (Not Found) " error when I try to load the git tree
02:48 dcook Hmm, not showing up on Github either..
02:49 * dcook thinks perhaps the file has moved..
02:50 dcook Aha. Indeed...
02:51 * dcook apologizes for the ranting monologue.
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03:41 gmcharlt @later tell cait is the change to the German label for the circulate/override_renewals permission correct in the patch for bug 10863?
03:41 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
03:43 mtompset dcook: My son is only 4. :P
03:43 dcook Only 10 years to go then!
03:44 gmcharlt then he too, can get stuff off tall shelves for talljoy ;)
03:44 dcook ^^
03:53 mtompset I'm not sure I'm ask a 14 year old to shovel snow.
03:57 mtompset Clever and evil way of avoiding warnings on the shift.
03:57 mtompset (GetBranchesLoop in C4/
03:59 eythian I woulda just done shift || otherthing()
03:59 eythian I don't _think_ that warns
04:00 eythian though it's probable you'd want //, which wasn't available until recently.
04:11 mtompset If you shift and there is nothing, it warns, as far as I know, eythian.
04:13 * dcook would think that it would give you a null instead but hasn't really tried it either way in a while
04:13 eythian $ perl -w -e 'use strict; my @a=qw(a) ; shift @a ; shift @a ;'
04:13 eythian $
04:13 eythian doesn't warn
04:13 eythian Pretty sure it gives you undef
04:17 mtompset You forgot use warnings;
04:17 mtompset Ah, -w
04:17 eythian -w                enable many useful warnings
04:17 eythian yeah :)
04:41 mtompset Hmmm... the logic for the branches to display in a branch dropdown is crazy weird.
04:41 * gmcharlt hands mtompset a shovel
04:42 gmcharlt I'm afraid you're about to get buried under the dead weight of history ;)
04:42 mtompset It looks like it, gmcharlt.
04:42 mtompset All I wanted to do was change it to only display if a field was set to 1 or 0 for a show_in_opac value.
04:43 mtompset But considering how crazy used the function is... it is a mess.
04:44 mtompset My simple patch... busts other things. :(
04:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10863: (follow-up) give limited circ operator way to proceed <[…]ea5e3294c9da88f07> / Bug 10863: (follow-up) set correct description for manage_restrictions permission... <[…]b8f6fa690f33a9e6a> / Bug 10863: DBRev <
04:48 mtompset 38 files use GetBranchesLoop?!
04:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #297 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:51 mtompset Is there a way to know if you are using OPAC or Staff Client in any given function?
04:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #1588 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:07 mtompset Well, have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
05:07 mtompset Hopefully this blizzard warning doesn't affect my driving tomorrow. :(
05:12 paxed looks like the tooltip 'Dates of birth should be entered in the format "[% format %]"' is not translatable. can anyone confirm that?
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05:46 * dcook contemplates the difference between "format_sqldatetime" and "format_date"
05:46 dcook The former uses the Koha namespace and the latter the C4
05:46 * dcook thinks he should use the former?
05:49 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #297: SUCCESS in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/297/
05:49 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10863: Add 2 circulation permissions: force_checkout and lift_restriction
05:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10863: DBRev
05:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10863: (follow-up) set correct description for manage_restrictions permission during upgrade
05:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10863: (follow-up) give limited circ operator way to proceed
05:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10863 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add 2 circulation permissions: force_checkout and lift_restriction
05:50 cait dcook: i'd say the one in Koha
05:51 dcook It seems like it might be a bit more robust
06:02 dcook Ah, the sqldatetime seems to include zeroes while format_date doesn't
06:03 dcook Hmm, I don't know if that's intentional...
06:03 dcook Whatever, I think I'm not going to do it anyway.
06:03 dcook Ah, maybe it is intentional
06:07 dcook In any case, I gotta run
06:07 dcook Night, cait :)
06:07 dcook Err morning?
06:07 cait night :)
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06:26 * Oak waves
06:26 Oak magnuse
06:26 Oak Guten morgen cait
06:30 cait hi Oak :)
06:39 magnuse Oak
06:40 * magnuse waves
07:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1588: SUCCESS in 2 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1588/
07:07 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10863: Add 2 circulation permissions: force_checkout and lift_restriction
07:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10863: DBRev
07:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10863: (follow-up) set correct description for manage_restrictions permission during upgrade
07:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10863: (follow-up) give limited circ operator way to proceed
07:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10863 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add 2 circulation permissions: force_checkout and lift_restriction
07:12 magnuse success!
07:12 wahanui hmmm... success is a good thing jenkins
07:12 magnuse confetti!
07:12 wahanui confetti is[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
07:12 magnuse confetti!
07:12 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
07:12 magnuse \o/
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07:28 Oak :)
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07:36 reiveune hello
07:36 wahanui what's up, reiveune
07:38 magnuse bonjour!
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07:51 alex_a bonjour
07:52 magnuse weirdness: one of my libraries get their overdue reminders gathered up in an atachment that is emailed to the library, instead of sending them to the individual patrons. is there some syspref that does that?
07:53 cait check the valid email
07:53 cait syspref
07:53 cait and if they have email
07:54 cait and check that you have not set the no email parameter in the overdues cronjob
07:58 magnuse valid email syspref?
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08:02 gaetan_B good morning #koha
08:02 gaetan_B and happy new year :)
08:23 nlegrand hey #koha happy new year gaetan_B
08:43 magnuse cait: ah, perhaps you meant  AutoEmailPrimaryAddress? that looks like it might play a role. thanks!
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08:51 fiza helo
08:54 cait sorry, running around a lot today
08:54 cait everyone is back from the holidays :)
09:43 ashimema morning koha
09:43 cait morning ashimema
09:49 magnuse hiya ashimema
09:49 magnuse @wunder boo
09:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.27 in 991 hPa (Steady).
09:49 ashimema :)
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10:36 Herwig Hello
10:36 Herwig Jcamins are you there
10:37 magnuse too early for him i think
10:38 Herwig you gave me a script 2 weeks ago to change fields in OAI-PMH now ive made some changes (not sure its correct) ... but i dont have a clue how to get it running i probably have to change the url in the script also ... or someone else
10:39 Herwig never did this before
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10:41 Herwig its a xslt script
10:42 Herwig ok ill be back later maybe i have more luck
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10:44 Joubu hi #koha
10:54 cait hi Joubu from Liverpool :)
11:01 ashimema cait.. you in Liverpool?
11:21 cait ah sorry, not me :)
11:21 * cait points at Joubu
11:57 Oak time to go home.
12:12 jcamins Herwig: I am not really here, and I haven't the faintest idea what you're asking about.
12:14 jcamins I suspect you want someone else whose nick starts with j.
12:14 Herwig no 2 weeks ago you gave me /usr/local/koha/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/xslt/
12:14 Herwig sorr y wrong url
12:15 jcamins I can't help you with whatever file that is, because I have never used it.
12:15 jcamins Really.
12:15 jcamins I suspect you asked where a file is, and I gave you the correct path because I knew it off the top of my head. If I did that.
12:15 Herwig ah no you are correct it was not you sorry
12:15 Herwig mistake
12:16 jcamins No problem.
12:16 Herwig can you help with oai pmh configuration ?
12:16 jcamins I don't know anything about it, sorry.
12:17 jcamins You might as magnuse, as the URL you PMed me is for a file he wrote.
12:17 jcamins *ask
12:17 Herwig simpler question can i put axslt file annywhere to run it  :) annyone ?
12:17 jcamins How are you running the XSLT file?
12:18 Herwig it should run out of the config file from oai
12:19 Herwig i was tinking putting it in /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdo​cs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt and  put that adres in the file dont know if that works
12:20 jcamins I don't know, sorry.
12:20 Herwig first time ever i run a script :O) myself
12:20 Herwig i try to grab magnuse if he is online
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12:30 koha-ba Hi guys, would anyone please be so kind and help me with importing excel data to KOHA? I tried it a few times, but with no luck..
12:35 tcohen morning #koha
12:36 tcohen koha-ba: that's not a trivial task, as you need to create MARC records from that
12:36 tcohen what have you tried yet?
12:41 koha-ba Thank you. I have tried to create Marc records, and sucessfully created it, but after importing nothing shows in koha. Im willing to pay someone to remotely help me with it.
12:43 Herwig did the marc record contain data if you look at it in a text editor ?
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12:45 Herwig i did this some months ago i did use
12:46 Herwig afther that i edited some fields with some perl script to make it cleaner
12:48 koha-ba yes, there are data in the file
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12:48 koha-ba it took quite long to create it, as there are 14000 lines in excel file
12:48 Herwig and then Stage MARC records for import (i probably prepared item types first)
12:50 Herwig how big is it i'm stuck myself at the moment so send it and i give it a try ... can you put your marc file somewhere i can download it to test it
12:51 tcohen koha-ba: did you happen to have rebuilt your zebra indexes?
12:51 koha-ba Sure, I can. But I think the problem is in "Map To" Field im not really sure, what to put in there when creating Marc record
12:53 koha-ba tcohen: I dont think I did that. Dont remember doing it
12:53 tcohen that's it
12:53 tcohen how did you install Koha on the first place?
12:53 tcohen apt-get install koha-common ?
12:54 koha-ba Ive installed it according to this manual:
12:54 koha-ba and yes it was with> apt-get install koha-common
12:55 tcohen issue the command sudo koha-list
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12:57 koha-ba koha-list command gives me the name koha
12:58 francharb Good morning
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13:20 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:20 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -20.6°C (7:30 AM EST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -26.0°C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Rising). Wind chill warning in effect until 3 PM EST this afternoon...
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13:42 cait hi oleonard
13:42 cait hope you are not frozen yet?
13:42 oleonard I'm not going on any leisurely morning walks today
13:43 cait very reasonable.
13:43 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:43 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.3°C (2:40 PM CET on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:44 oleonard I imagine everyone in the southern US states are freaking out right now.
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13:46 barton right there with you on the long walks, oleonard.
13:47 cait hi barton
13:47 barton morning, cait.
13:47 oleonard barton: It's the kind of weather where you start to worry the dog is planning an impromptu inside bathroom.
13:47 cait i have heard sign offs are great for warming up :)
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13:48 oleonard They closed school today because of the cold. If only my kids knew how to test patches...
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13:49 druthb o/
13:49 talljoy o/
13:53 nengard oleonard it's the kind of weather where my dog wants to go out all the time and play
13:53 nengard and mommy does not approve
13:53 nengard :)
13:54 druthb at least he's not in snow up to his eyeballs, nengard.  Count yer blessings.
13:55 nengard this is true
13:55 nengard @wunder 78741
13:55 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Bouldin-South Austin, Austin, Texas is -5.9°C (7:55 AM CST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.65 in 1038 hPa (Steady).
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13:55 druthb @wunder 77098
13:55 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is -2.2°C (7:55 AM CST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Rising). Hard freeze warning in effect until 9 am CST this morning...
13:59 talljoy these temps are not natural for TExas
13:59 talljoy @wunder 76109
13:59 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Cedar Creek Townhomes, Benbrook, Texas is -4.7°C (7:51 AM CST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Rising).
13:59 talljoy frickin polar vortex
14:00 druthb[…]ay-after-tomorrow
14:00 oleonard Whoops. There goes the power :(
14:00 oleonard Crap.
14:01 oleonard Oh wait, power in half the building?
14:01 * oleonard crosses his fingers
14:16 talljoy ok i'm trying to retest a patch on my test server and it tells me that git bz apply <bug#> is not a valid git command.  where can i look to see what's changed in how i apply a patch?
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14:19 kivilahtio talljoy: Odd? This works for me[…]_bz_configuration
14:20 kivilahtio talljoy: are you sure your git bz is properly configured?
14:20 talljoy i am clearly git-challenged.  i get it into states that resemble spaghetti
14:20 kivilahtio talljoy: me too, I am not very good with this
14:21 talljoy i will have to get with one of my devs to help sort out what i've done
14:21 kivilahtio talljoy: but you used to be able to run that command succesfully?
14:21 talljoy oh yes.
14:21 magnuse_ what if you just do "git bz"?
14:21 talljoy as of a month ago, i was testing and even submitted a patch
14:21 kivilahtio gg!
14:21 talljoy git: 'bz' is not a git command.
14:21 wahanui i already had it that way, talljoy.
14:22 talljoy did you mean am gc mv rm
14:22 magnuse_ something not right with the way t is installed, then
14:22 kivilahtio talljoy: follow the link I posted
14:22 magnuse_ meeting in 19 hours 37 minutes, right?
14:22 talljoy i'm looking at that and i'm going to have sys admin look at this.
14:22 kivilahtio talljoy: sounds like its time for a reinstall of git bz
14:22 talljoy something is different.....
14:22 talljoy yup.  thanks!
14:26 kivilahtio when looking at the members/'s listing of checkouts, I see a "Charge"-column. This is the charge for checking an item out? under the Charge-column there is a summary "Totals:" 0.90, meaning htat the patron has 0.90€ of fines.
14:26 kivilahtio We don't charge our patrons for borrowing
14:26 kivilahtio so this charge column is pretty useless
14:27 kivilahtio is there any way to get the fine for that item visible there instead of the empty Charge-column?
14:27 kivilahtio How do you deal with the Charge-colum if you don't charge patrons for borrowing?
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14:29 kivilahtio should I just hide the column? Definetely the detailed patron view needs some work regarding this matter. IS there any way I could help with that?
14:30 kivilahtio[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9481
14:30 huginn Bug 9481: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , charge not showing fines
14:30 kivilahtio found it
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14:43 cait kivilahtio: we don't hide it so far, libraries haven't requested it
14:43 cait I think i have said soemthing in training about the use of the column (checkout fee, not fine) and it was ok
14:43 kivilahtio cait: ok, I am certain I am going to hear about that sooner or later :)
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14:45 cait kivilahtio: you can still hide it then with jquery
14:46 jcamins @wunder 11375
14:46 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is -14.4°C (9:36 AM EST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST this evening...
14:46 kivilahtio cait: Hmm, why do you hide it with jQuery and not from the template toolkit file? Ease of maintenance?
14:46 jcamins It's like Moscow out there.
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14:46 cait kivilahtio: yes.
14:46 tcohen are u ok jcamins?
14:46 kivilahtio cait: ok, thank you!
14:47 koha-ba tcohen: Im sorry, m y internet dropped
14:47 cait tcohen: he speaks russian.. so i guess he will be
14:47 jcamins tcohen: yes, just really cold!
14:47 kivilahtio I heard a worker in the Finnish embassy just went skiing in the morning :)
14:47 tcohen the news show a really cold season!
14:47 jcamins Actually, today is a great day to be at this client's apartment. The building is kept nice and cozy.
14:47 kivilahtio incidentally there is practically no winter here in Finland, even though we are pretty used to having -20'C this time of year
14:48 jcamins And the heat is more like in Russia, so it's not unpleasant like in my apartment where the radiators make it dreadful.
14:48 kivilahtio I think New York got our winter
14:48 kivilahtio I am pretty jealous about that
14:49 kivilahtio I want to ski :)
14:49 kivilahtio jcamins: but how is it there?
14:49 cait they got ours too
14:49 kivilahtio jcamins: are you surviving?
14:49 jcamins kivilahtio: not too bad. I am indeed. :)
14:56 kivilahtio thanks for today #koha. Take care!
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15:09 jcamins fines?
15:09 wahanui @quote get 123
15:09 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
15:09 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
15:09 jcamins Just throwing that out there.
15:10 cait we won't disagree with you.
15:12 gmcharlt cait: thanks for confirming re the translation
15:12 cait np
15:12 cait thx for checking :)
15:13 gmcharlt np, I was just wondering why a random string change was present along with the rest of the patch :)
15:14 cait sorry for that
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15:39 tcohen are UNIMARC zebra configuration files in the packages sane?
15:39 jcamins let's have more marc
15:39 jcamins let's have more marc!
15:39 jcamins how about more marc
15:40 jcamins more marc?
15:40 jcamins Eh, whatever.
15:40 tcohen jcamins: that means no, right?
15:40 jcamins tcohen: they are sane, yeah.
15:40 jcamins I think.
15:40 tcohen record.abs contains "melm 090$9      Local-number,Local-number:n"
15:41 tcohen but there's no mapping to 090$9
15:41 tcohen (in the frameworks)
15:41 jcamins Though UNIMARC libraries mostly use authorities with GRS-1.
15:41 jcamins tcohen: that's a legacy thing.
15:42 jcamins biblionumber is now in 001, I think.
15:42 tcohen so is not relevant
15:42 jcamins I believe that is true.
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16:08 tcohen jcamins: federated search inside Koha
16:08 tcohen how to deal with the serialization format issues?
16:09 jcamins Doesn't the federated search use pazpar2?
16:09 tcohen yes, but what output should I expect?
16:10 jcamins I think pazpar2 gives you MARCXML, but I'm not sure.
16:10 tcohen i mean, where is that handled?
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16:11 jcamins Oh, no idea.
16:11 tcohen found it
16:11 tcohen is unrelated to my problem
16:11 tcohen (pazGetRecords)
16:23 reiveune bye
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16:52 marjorie_ccsr Hi, i am testing course reserves on 3.12.7. On editing a course, i can not remove instructors. Is this bug is already on BZ? i found nothing.
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17:11 gaetan_B bye !
17:11 oleonard marjorie_ccsr: You click the "remove" link and nothing happens?
17:14 oleonard marjorie_ccsr: I see that problem in master
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17:28 * cait waves
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17:43 tcohen hi cait :-D
17:43 cait hi tcohen
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17:46 vfernandes hi :)
17:47 vfernandes one simples question: it's possible to deduct some money to a fund? for example, a fund with 1000€ allocated, it's possible to add a manual deduct of 100€
17:47 vfernandes ?
17:48 cait not without an order or reducing the fund
17:48 cait you could also create a child fund... but not sure what you want to to
17:48 cait deduct - reduce the amount allocated?
17:49 vfernandes kinda, substract a value
17:50 vfernandes but without changing the allocated value
17:51 vfernandes if it isn't can a value be subtract for every reception of periodicals?
17:56 cait normally you would substract a value for a subscription
17:56 cait so an annual amount
17:56 cait else you have to order every issue
17:57 cait you could do that... but then you woul dhave to receive them in serials and in acq
18:00 vfernandes hummm I understand... thanks cait
18:04 tcohen bbl #koha, cya
18:04 marjorie_ccsr oleonard: sorry, yes i click remove and nothing happens
18:04 Joubu bye!
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19:11 oleonard @wunder 45701
19:11 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -12.9°C (2:10 PM EST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). Wind chill warning in effect until 3 PM EST this afternoon...
19:12 jcamins @wunder 11375
19:12 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is -12.4°C (2:07 PM EST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST this evening...
19:12 jcamins Woohoo! It's warmer in New York. Except for windchill.
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19:21 wizzyrea oleonard: i hope you are staying warm over there.
19:21 wizzyrea oleonard: also, do you have work started on updating to the new version of jquery?
19:22 oleonard wizzyrea: The work to upgrade jquery still depends on updating some plugins. I think tablesorter.js is all but removed, but there are others
19:23 wizzyrea aha gotya thanks
19:23 oleonard qTip, hotkeys, ratings, jqtransform_select, and jstree according to my notes
19:23 cait oleonard: hm i think the hotkeys one got updates
19:23 cait hm but not sure
19:23 cait was that shortcuts?
19:23 oleonard Yes, keyboard shortcuts
19:24 cait i think we had a patch about that
19:24 cait i qa'd something shortcut related :)
19:26 cait hm but not sure if it needs another update then
19:26 cait bug 11035
19:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11035 normal, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Pushed to Stable , Replace shortcut plugin jquery.hotkeys.min.js
19:32 oleonard Oh good, I wasn't sure what the status of that was
19:32 * oleonard crosses it off his list
19:40 oleonard You know, the list I'm making so much progress on :P
19:45 barton oleonard: read that as "curses it off his list".
19:46 oleonard Yeah, @$%& you, keyboard shortcuts!
19:47 barton Watch it with the array of referenes to hashes of subroutines, there, you'll end up doing more than crossing something off the list....
19:48 barton ... or just get a syntax error.
19:49 gmcharlt what would be truly scary is /not/ getting a syntax error
19:49 barton That would be Perl 3.
19:49 * cait waves
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20:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
20:07 * mtompset grumbles about having to figure out modal bootstrap forms.
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20:11 oleonard Hard stuff is hard.
20:12 tcohen jcamins:
20:13 mtompset Yes, yes it was, tcohen!
20:13 jcamins tcohen: hehe.
20:13 mtompset oleonard: Any pointers? I just want a link that pops up a nice table with the option to close.
20:14 oleonard mtompset: I haven't done enough with it that I don't still have to go to the documentation every time
20:14 oleonard What's the context?
20:14 mtompset Put a link on opacnavright.
20:14 mtompset have it run a report.
20:15 mtompset format the output nicely to a popup.
20:15 mtompset kind of link the login in screen popup.
20:15 mtompset ^link^like^
20:16 mtompset Because https://.../cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=15 generates just JSON output.
20:34 wizzyrea it would be wicked cool if batch item edit also let you change the biblionumber the items were attached to.
20:34 wizzyrea in batch.
20:37 eythian hi
20:37 wahanui privet, eythian
20:40 oleonard batch item move wizzyrea?
20:43 wizzyrea is there such a thing?
20:43 wizzyrea did I miss it?
20:43 wizzyrea I thought you could only do it one at a time
20:44 oleonard No I don't think there is such a thing. I've never seen a situation where it was needed, myself.
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20:49 wizzyrea I have a situation where a library has 800 serial items they'd like to merge with a duplicate record that has an additional 500 items.
20:50 oleonard Yikes
20:50 oleonard Man, serials are the worst.
20:51 wizzyrea yeah :
20:51 wizzyrea :(
20:58 druthb The only times I've needed large-scale item movements has been during migrations—some of the code I used for that might be usable against a running database, but it'd be something best done very, very carefully
21:00 wizzyrea hm that'd be in the migration toolkit eh
21:00 wizzyrea oh I forgot - druthb++ for that record fixing script thinger in there.
21:00 wizzyrea that was ages ago now that I used that but really handy.
21:01 druthb it would be, yes.  Might look in the "Generic" directory somewhere.
21:02 druthb I think I wrote one that would shift large numbers of items off one bib, and onto another, and tidy up holds, too.  You had to reindex those recs after, but at the point I was using it, you had blank indexes anyway, so no itch.
21:02 druthb
21:04 wizzyrea it's not a huge collection - that might be alright
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21:14 wizzyrea[…]762d20bee;hb=HEAD this one maybe?
21:16 * eythian twitches at the documentation being inaccurate
21:17 eythian Oh, not inaccurate so much as underspecified, I misread.
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21:55 rangi hi all
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22:07 wizzyrea heya
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22:07 wizzyrea how's laurel? :)
22:15 rangi not too bad, watching wreck it ralph with kahu
22:16 rangi gmcharlt: ummm[…]dered-its-gun-ban
22:17 gmcharlt rangi: all of a piece, alas
22:18 jcamins @wunder 10016
22:18 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Murray Hill, New York, New York is -12.1°C (5:18 PM EST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST this evening...
22:18 jcamins And which direction is the wind going?
22:19 jcamins North-south, and there isn't much of it.
22:19 jcamins So a walk across town shouldn't be too bad.
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22:45 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
22:45 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -18.9°C (5:45 PM EST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -24.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
22:46 maximep @wunder cyqb
22:46 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -15.0°C (5:33 PM EST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -27.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
22:46 maximep baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
22:47 jatara @wunder 75074
22:47 huginn jatara: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 7.1°C (4:45 PM CST on January 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
22:48 * mtompset grumbles.
22:48 mtompset Any suggestions on how to make a div containing a table magically appear? overwriting the data with a jquery result?
22:49 mtompset I've got a nice <table>...</table> built, and I just need to show it.
22:50 jatara why is the table not appearing at all?
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22:51 mtompset That's the part I'm having problems with... I can toggle visibility on, and the old value shows, but it doesn't overwrite the old values with the new values.
22:53 mtompset Oops... # vs .
22:53 mtompset Still doesn't really solve the popup desire, but closer now.
22:54 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:54 mtj heya mtompset
22:54 wahanui it has been said that mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
22:54 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on January 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
22:54 eythian not too bad.
22:55 mtj from memory, ive removed an element, then append/prepend a new new - with jq
22:55 mtj mtompset ^^
22:55 mtompset There's a function replaceWith. :)
22:56 mtompset I have a table now... but I want a popup.
22:56 mtompset Not a div in-line with everything.
22:56 mtj[…]nd-remove-element
22:59 * dcook has no idea what mtompset is talking about
22:59 dcook But...
22:59 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
22:59 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (9:30 AM EST on January 08, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
22:59 * dcook shrugs
23:00 mtompset dcook: You know how the bootstrap log in for OPAC floats nicely and is a div popup?
23:00 mtompset I want that, except with table data and a close button.
23:02 dcook Nope. I almost never look at the bootstrap OPAC
23:02 dcook But good luck :)
23:07 mtj the jquery technique should be still that same, just insert some popup code
23:09 mtompset easier said than done.
23:10 mtj yep, i feel your pain
23:13 eythian yeah
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23:15 mtompset I dumped that in OpacNavRight.
23:15 mtompset Kind of works in a very broken way.
23:16 mtompset Oh, and the header parameter is new from me. :)
23:18 mtompset What category does the svc stuff fall under? I'd like to submit the header patch.
23:25 pianohacker okay, devel advice. I have a really long running branch, what's the best way to rebase/merge in master and make it easy to submit later?
23:25 * dcook thinks eythian or rangi would be good people to ask
23:26 eythian rebase it on top of master. If you use -i you can squish patches that should go together.
23:26 pianohacker eythian: just a simple rebase --onto?
23:26 eythian but things that suit being logically separate should remain separate
23:26 eythian not even that, if you're on the branch just git rebase -i origin/master will do it
23:26 eythian assuming you started from master, anyway
23:27 pianohacker ah, right. Was thinking of something else. I'll just do that then.
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23:31 mtj woah, that seattle library news story is quite surreal  :/
23:32 dcook mtj: link?
23:32 dcook hey ya oleonard!
23:32 oleonard Hi dcook
23:33 dcook How goes it? Isn't it supper time yet?
23:33 oleonard Yeah I just popped in hoping to catch larryb
23:34 * oleonard can't remember his time zone
23:36 rambutan mtj: ok, I'm curious. Do you have a link to the seattle library news story?
23:36 * dcook thinks larryb is...washington state?
23:36 oleonard He's just not frittering his day away in here then ;)
23:36 dcook hehe
23:37 dcook I think he might be in bywater's channel or around for PM at least?
23:37 mtj dcook, rambutan  ->[…]dered-its-gun-ban
23:40 rambutan mtj: yea, same recently in Michigan too, I think. In essence, state laws regarding such, where they exist, trump local policy.
23:40 oleonard Americans and their goddamn guns :(
23:42 dcook Exactly
23:42 rambutan damn majority rule and elected officials!
23:43 dcook I think that article is a microcosm of quite a bit of the debate..
23:43 dcook benign dictatorship!
23:43 dcook Actually, Canada only recently got majority rule federally
23:43 dcook It was minority rule for quite a long time
23:43 dcook Well, it's still minority rule...but majority in name.
23:44 rambutan Kim Jong Un for president, and Dennis Rodman for vice!
23:44 dcook I wondered what happened to Dennis Rodman...
23:45 rambutan this is degenerating, I need to go back to wroking on my grant request. :)
23:45 dcook I read that as "gun request"
23:46 rambutan well, that's an idea. I could use a new shotgun, wonder if LSTA would support that? Training? Security?
23:46 eythian Just claim a duck problem.
23:47 oleonard Overdues prevention and return
23:47 mtompset duck problem? Sounds like a lead into the whole Duck Dynasty debate. :P
23:47 rambutan oh, yea, that works "collection management"
23:48 dcook And I thought that patrons were already scared to come back to the library with overdues..
23:48 mtompset But librarians are not allowed guns, so that is kind of stupid.
23:48 pianohacker jeebus. 73 commits on the cataloging project, and it's still not done...
23:48 dcook mtompset: That wouldn't really solve anything anyway
23:48 dcook In fact, the pro gun people would probably say that the librarians should have guns.
23:48 mtompset It would if the librarians trained to be expert marksmen... wild west rules. ;)
23:49 rambutan I wish I could tell a short funny story about our firearms policy, but don't want to lay it out here online...
23:49 dcook Which just boosts the proliferation of weapons amongst citizens
23:50 mtompset The librarians need to be armed. The government is being tyrannical and telling them to let people bring their firearms in. :)
23:51 * dcook hopes that's a facetious comment.
23:51 rambutan You know, Missouri has open-carry, but you never see anybody carrying at Walmart or whereever.....
23:51 dcook A friend of mine mentioned recently that there was a "gun in" in Austin
23:51 dcook Lots of people bringing their guns into shops, like Walmart, and just going about their business gun in hand
23:52 dcook I think she misses Canada a bit
23:52 rambutan but then on Black Friday, sure as shinola, there was one guy standing in line for some 7" tablets at Walmart with a sidearm. Nobody seemed to notice or care.
23:52 dcook Folks can be desensitized to pretty much anything.
23:53 dcook Plus, I think most people rather pretend to ignore something than to make a fuss.
23:53 dcook Are you going to act weird around a guy with a sidearm?
23:53 oleonard I once stopped a guy walking into the library who was wearing a sidearm. He turned out to be a cop, but he sure was grumpy about showing me his badge.
23:53 * dcook actually doesn't have anything against guns per se. He enjoys target practice as much, if not more, than the next person, but they don't have a place in the public.
23:53 rambutan I just think the people that saw this guy didn't give a hoot, or at most were mildly bemused.
23:54 dcook oleonard++
23:56 mtompset oleonard++ # Nice!
23:56 mtompset dcook: I was being a little sarcastic, yes. :)
23:56 dcook Can't tell with the internet (and you Easterners :P)
23:57 dcook I was actually telling an anecdote last night about the gun-related schenanigans of an Ontario guy I knew and his friends
23:57 dcook Gun and knife related actually.
23:57 mtompset Easterner?! BAH! I'm Eastern/Central. Easterners are those Maritime folk that snort when they laugh and have McLobsters. ;)
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23:58 * pianohacker hopes *McLobsters* are a facetious comment...
23:58 dcook hehe
23:58 mtompset Actually... There are McLobsters!
23:58 rambutan where?
23:58 * dcook generally likes maritimers
23:59 mtompset[…]es/mclobster.html
23:59 mtompset Oh, they are polite and friendly like the rest of us Canadians. :)
23:59 mtompset And I've been told the Ocean views are quite lovely.
23:59 dcook I suppose the west is actually the place known for its gun love..
23:59 pianohacker wow...

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