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eythian |
http://zork.net/~sneakums/orly.png |
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rangi |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]-whip-the-country |
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rambutan |
looks like the lamp post was rotten at the bottom anyway |
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rangi |
"What is left to blow down in Wellington has already blown down in the past several months" |
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rambutan |
what's a conservatory? a sun room maybe? |
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eythian |
sorta |
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eythian |
in essence, yes |
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eythian |
but usually made totally out of glass and attached to a house. |
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eythian |
whereas I'd consider a sunroom a smallish room with big windows. |
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rambutan |
close counts |
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rambutan |
:) |
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eythian |
traditionally you'd have plants in it. |
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eythian |
so that in cold old ~16th century England you could have tropical fruits growing to impress your guests when they visit. |
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eythian |
Now you usually have a few plants and use it to heat the rest of the house :) |
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rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]5veU&noredirect=1 <-- we are kinda used to this weather now, this was 2 days ago |
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vinz3g |
good night, I wonder if anyone has experience in installing koha vhosts? using some panel, for example ZPanel or cpanel? |
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eythian |
good morning. |
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eythian |
no wait |
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eythian |
afternoon |
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vinz3g |
hi, good afternoon |
| 00:53 |
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eythian |
Most people don't tend to use Koha with panel things, so far as I know. |
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vinz3g |
ok, ok, okay, it's just trying to hold my VPS and have seen full Googling, you may do so, however there is not much documentation about it ... |
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eythian |
you probably can, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets problematic in parts. |
| 01:00 |
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vinz3g |
ok, I think you're right, and it's better to have a dedicated vps koha |
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eythian |
I would recommend that. |
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vinz3g |
Thanks |
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vinz3g |
Gracias! |
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eythian |
NO worries. |
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mtompset |
dcook: *ping* |
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dcook |
Hmm? |
| 01:14 |
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mtompset |
Are you ever going to get back to bug 10811? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Add a 999$c record matching rule to the MARC21 defaults |
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dcook |
Mmm, maybe |
| 01:15 |
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dcook |
Probably even. |
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mtompset |
I'd love to sign it off. ;) |
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dcook |
I'd love for you to sign it off, but I'm working on local stuff atm. |
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mtompset |
I'm in the midst of cleaning up branches in my git repo. |
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mtompset |
No problem, I figure a reminder randomly can't hurt. Sometimes, people need a break from the piles of things thrown at them. :) |
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dcook |
Hmm, looks like a bug in a log viewer.. |
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eythian |
new master packages uploading, for those on the bleeding edge. |
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eythian |
Oh, I totally forgot to check that the version numbers would be right. Good thing they are. |
| 02:41 |
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dcook |
eythian++ |
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dcook |
This log viewer isn't anywhere even close to right.. |
| 03:04 |
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dcook |
Hmm |
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dcook |
Maybe I'll try gmcharlt's idea of a patch series... |
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mtompset |
WOW! That was a split. |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha! |
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dcook |
Bleargh...too many problems... |
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dcook |
That moment when you realize that someone has already fixed something in master and you didn't realize until you've already written out a detailed bug report |
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facepalm |
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wahanui |
http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg |
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dcook |
I guess only part of it was fixed.. |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
yeah, i thought it was kinda warm... |
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arunkumars3189 |
hello |
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wahanui |
niihau, arunkumars3189 |
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arunkumars3189 |
need info |
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reiveune |
hello |
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cait |
hi reiveune :) |
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reiveune |
hi cait, magnuse, rangi |
| 08:43 |
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magnuse |
bonjour reiveune |
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magnuse |
@wunder konstanz |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1°C (9:40 AM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (9:20 AM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
magnuse: clear is a lie... lts of white fog today |
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nlegrand |
hey #koha |
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ashimema |
quiet here today |
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* cait |
waves |
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ashimema |
tumbleweed drifts by.. |
| 11:34 |
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ashimema |
hi cait |
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* cait |
felt a little ignored :) |
| 11:35 |
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cait |
friday aftre lots of holidays... guess still a lot of people on vacation |
| 11:35 |
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ashimema |
yeah... lucky buggers :P |
| 11:36 |
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cait |
i enjoy the quiet :) |
| 11:36 |
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cait |
working on something that I wanted to work on all last year |
| 11:36 |
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ashimema |
oh? |
| 11:37 |
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cait |
we have one heavier customized koha |
| 11:37 |
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cait |
used for manuscripts |
| 11:37 |
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cait |
updating it :) |
| 11:37 |
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ashimema |
You didn't get a chance to checkout the zebra locking bug did you? I'd love to see that go in.. |
| 11:37 |
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ashimema |
sounds fun.. |
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cait |
which of those? |
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cait |
the problem is, i might not know how to test it |
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ashimema |
there's a pretty good test plan for it I believe.. |
| 11:39 |
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ashimema |
Robin has verified it should work with packages too.. I’d QA but I signed it off in a various iteration.. |
| 11:39 |
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ashimema |
and am about to give it another sign-ff comment as I've now tested it with yet more variations.. (I build a package with it) |
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cait |
which bug? :) |
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cait |
ashimema: bug number! .) |
| 11:51 |
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ashimema |
sorry.. kettle boiled.. I can't mis the kettle.. it's sacroligous |
| 11:51 |
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ashimema |
bug 11078 |
| 11:51 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11078 enhancement, P4, ---, dpk, Signed Off , rebuild_zebra.pl can lose updates due to race condition during full rebuilds |
| 11:54 |
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cait |
ah i see |
| 11:54 |
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cait |
i think the flock testing scared me off a bit |
| 11:54 |
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cait |
not sure i know how to make sure that it actually does what it says :( |
| 11:55 |
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cait |
but i agree about wanting this to go in |
| 11:55 |
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cait |
ashimema: are you using external xslt btw? |
| 11:56 |
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ashimema |
is Chris on qa this release.. I think he would understand it nicely and could test it pretty quick.. it's a trivial patch really.. just gone through the loop a few times to get it perfect for packages etc.. both robin and galen have already pretty much given it their blessing. |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
ashimema: i agree with you - but sadly rangi is not |
| 11:57 |
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ashimema |
yes we use local xslt's now.. though I'm still pondering exactly how to merge in the updates from the changing default into our custom ones. |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
i was thinking maybe Joubu or khall |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
ashimema: doyou know if it takes a relativ path? |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
trying for the first time right now |
| 11:58 |
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cait |
the xslt are all in the same directory as the standard xslt |
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ashimema |
yeah, you can use relative paths.. |
| 12:00 |
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ashimema |
you can host them pretty much anywhere you like ;) |
| 12:00 |
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ashimema |
but yeah.. we jsut stick them next to the defaults |
| 12:01 |
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cait |
ok... so um. what would the path be relativ to then? |
| 12:01 |
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* cait |
might be just a bit confused right now |
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cait |
ah i think i know |
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cait |
XSLT.pm |
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cait |
at least it looks like it's working now :) |
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tcohen |
morning #koha! |
| 12:25 |
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cait |
hi tcohen |
| 12:25 |
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kivilahtio |
good day tcohen! |
| 12:26 |
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tcohen |
will this be a great year for Koha? |
| 12:26 |
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kivilahtio |
how do you deal with overdue_notices.pl? If you run it nightly, I get the same overdue email sent every day? |
| 12:26 |
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tcohen |
Yes! heh |
| 12:26 |
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kivilahtio |
ofc! |
| 12:27 |
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cait |
kivilahtio: look into the -t option |
| 12:28 |
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cait |
then it will follow the notice triggers set in the interface, that#s how we do it |
| 12:30 |
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kivilahtio |
cait: "Add the --triggered option for daily cron, at the risk of no notice being generated if the cron fails to run on time." |
| 12:30 |
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kivilahtio |
This could be circumvented by using the /etc/cron.daily/ -folder? |
| 12:30 |
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kivilahtio |
cait: I should read more thoroughyl :( |
| 12:30 |
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cait |
i guess the packages do it that way |
| 12:31 |
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cait |
what i tmeans is that if you miss to create your ovedues on one day for whatever reason |
| 12:31 |
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cait |
it's hard to recreate them the other day |
| 12:31 |
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cait |
or 'run the script for another date' |
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kivilahtio |
cait: hmm, I feel this wont be much of an issue |
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kivilahtio |
cait: Shouldn't happen very often |
| 12:32 |
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cait |
it should not :) |
| 12:33 |
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kivilahtio |
cait: Thanks for your help! |
| 12:33 |
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kivilahtio |
cait: And have a awesome new year |
| 12:34 |
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cait |
i am hoping :) |
| 12:41 |
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ashimema |
hmm... motd is a bit out of date.. we have 3.14.01 now ;) |
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francharb |
Hello #koha |
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kivilahtio |
gday francharb! |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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kmkale |
Happy new year #koha |
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oleonard |
And to you too kmkale |
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kmkale |
Hi oleonard |
| 13:25 |
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kmkale |
http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ looks great |
| 13:26 |
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kmkale |
is it based on some FOSS? or is it koha community creation? |
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tcohen |
rangi's |
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kmkale |
Wow!! rangi++ |
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cait |
happy new year kmkale and oleonard |
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kmkale |
hey cait |
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kmkale |
hi druthb |
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druthb |
hi, kmkale. :) |
| 13:37 |
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kmkale |
:-) |
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kivilahtio |
dashboard is cool! |
| 13:38 |
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kivilahtio |
I wonder how it is made |
| 13:38 |
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kmkale |
reading about sandboxes. Fascinating!! |
| 13:38 |
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kivilahtio |
I'm pretty sure it's not built on Jira :) |
| 13:38 |
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cait |
i think it pulls data from different sources |
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cait |
and quite sure there is a git repo somewhere |
| 13:39 |
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magnuse |
kivilahtio: https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard |
| 13:39 |
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kmkale |
yup thats a piece of work much worth spinning off as a project on its own |
| 13:39 |
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kmkale |
hi magnuse :-) |
| 13:39 |
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magnuse |
hiya kmkale! |
| 13:40 |
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cait |
kmkale: it's probably quite specific to koha tho |
| 13:41 |
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magnuse |
it's mostly data from bugzilla, isn't it? i can imagine other projects finding something like that useful |
| 13:41 |
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cait |
magnuse: but it's all our custom status and such, so it would take work to modify i guess |
| 13:41 |
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cait |
but I can see your point :) |
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magnuse |
that's true |
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magnuse |
and if we all make sure we get our names on there every month, great things will happen! :-) |
| 13:42 |
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kmkale |
I'm sure it can be adopted. Looks really great! |
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kmkale |
sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha |
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| 14:01 |
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bgallagher |
Well I ate deep fried pigeon, shark fin, and goose flipper tonight |
| 14:01 |
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tcohen |
hi magnuse ! |
| 14:01 |
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magnuse |
hiya tcohen and bgallagher |
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oleonard |
bgallagher: If I didn't know where you were right now I might think you were eating with hobos |
| 14:02 |
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oleonard |
(okay maybe not the shark fin part) |
| 14:02 |
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bgallagher |
Haha |
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cait |
happy new year bgallagher :) |
| 14:05 |
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oleonard |
bgallagher: I hope you're getting some fresh fruit too. Mangosteens, longans, rambutans, etc. |
| 14:05 |
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kivilahtio |
especially rambutans |
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bgallagher |
oleonard: Not durarian (spelling?) though |
| 14:06 |
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bgallagher |
Happy new year cait |
| 14:06 |
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magnuse |
is that the smelly one? |
| 14:06 |
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bgallagher |
Yes that is the smelly one |
| 14:06 |
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oleonard |
Yeah I was warned against that one |
| 14:07 |
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magnuse |
"the durian is distinctive for its large size, strong odour, and formidable thorn-covered husk" |
| 14:07 |
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bgallagher |
Two of the hotels we stayed at had it listed that you could not bring it in to the hotel |
| 14:08 |
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magnuse |
lol |
| 14:09 |
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magnuse |
Alfred Russel Wallace seems to have been quite fond of it though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]Flavour_and_odour |
| 14:15 |
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bgallagher |
Alright night night all |
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francharb |
pouette |
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ebegin |
good morning |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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huginn |
oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -12.7°C (9:40 AM EST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). |
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ebegin |
@wunder montreal quebec |
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huginn |
ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -23.0°C (9:00 AM EST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -30.0°C. Windchill: -30.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Rising). |
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ebegin |
:( |
| 14:49 |
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oleonard |
I had a feeling you could top mine ebegin |
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cait |
gr. |
| 14:49 |
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* cait |
changed something int he breadcrumbs and now they won't work |
| 14:50 |
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cait |
*sigh* |
| 14:50 |
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ebegin |
warmer that yesterday's -27C :) |
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jcamins |
cait: I always add oregano. |
| 14:52 |
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ebegin |
pffff... just write a line for debug purpose and I wrote 'warm' instead of 'warn' :) |
| 14:53 |
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oleonard |
ebegin: You might have to take off your mittens |
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* jcamins |
heads into the city, having helped cait on her quest for better fried food. |
| 14:54 |
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cait |
lol |
| 14:54 |
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cait |
thx jcamins |
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tcohen |
hi gmcharlt |
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cait |
i am gonig to scream if i can't figure out what's going wrong here soon :( |
| 15:05 |
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francharb |
cait, breathe |
| 15:05 |
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francharb |
everything gonna be alright |
| 15:05 |
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francharb |
;) |
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cait |
hmpf? :) |
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tcohen |
cait: what's up? |
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cait |
hard to explain because i changed something... just send cookies? |
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* tcohen |
sends mate cookies with dulce de leche |
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ashimema |
any packaging guru's about? |
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* druthb |
sends cookies, too |
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cait |
tcohen: do they exist? |
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* francharb |
pitch a load of cookies to cait |
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francharb |
;) |
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tcohen |
cait: of course not, but if you bring some mate cookies, I'll put dulce de leche on them |
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cait |
k |
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ashimema |
tcohen: I followed the easy packaging guide.. and for quickness am trying to install the created package using the 'dpkg -i' -> 'apt-get -f install' method.. should i really get lots of lines like: Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl |
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ashimema |
for the dpkg -i piece? |
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ashimema |
the apt-get then fails |
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ashimema |
slightly lost now... sure it worked the first time |
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tcohen |
that happens (usually) when you have already tried creating an instance |
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tcohen |
but it hasn't got its DB initialized |
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tcohen |
so when you install, it tries to upgrade the db schema |
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ashimema |
I see.. that might make sense |
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tcohen |
bug 8779 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , .deb upgrade fails on incomplete instance setup |
| 15:16 |
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ashimema |
awesome.. knew you were the right guy to ask |
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tcohen |
i completely forgot about that bug |
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tcohen |
i'll try to do something about it |
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ashimema |
hehe.. cheers |
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tcohen |
we just need to catch the db upgrade failure, alert the user and move on, I guess |
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kivilahtio |
do you have experience between lxc and kvm? |
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ashimema |
I'm generally trying to get to grips with the packaging stuff.. adding one more person to the small list of people who can reasonably thoroughly check packaging bugs. |
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kivilahtio |
any opinions? Which would be more suitable for Koha? |
| 15:19 |
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ashimema |
yeah.. that's sounds about right. |
| 15:19 |
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kivilahtio |
we have only one serve rto run all the services on |
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cait |
argh. |
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kivilahtio |
I guess I should separate MariaDB and Koha to separate LXC's |
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tcohen |
kvm certaintly is suitable |
| 15:19 |
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tcohen |
the question is if lxc is |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: then again should I just skip virtualization :) |
| 15:20 |
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cait |
argh = might have found it :) |
| 15:20 |
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kivilahtio |
would make things easier for sure |
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tcohen |
for me, vistualization is really easy |
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kivilahtio |
just thinking about separating db and logic |
| 15:21 |
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tcohen |
just a couple of commands |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: What I am worried about is the increased overhead caused by virutalization |
| 15:21 |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: I agree, with libvirt virtualization is quite easy, but there are some optimization parts that get more complex |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: I am just curious if there is any benefit to virtualization when using one server to host the DB and application logic(Koha) |
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tcohen |
we virtualize everything here (300+ servers) |
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cait |
unreadable_templates-- |
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tcohen |
the only benefit I see is isolation |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: up |
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kivilahtio |
300+ wow |
| 15:22 |
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kivilahtio |
I am trying to grasp that |
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tcohen |
the bottleneck is (as usual) IO |
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kivilahtio |
so it's not only Koha |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: we got some HP brand SSD's |
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kivilahtio |
shouldnt be an issue :) tho ridiculously expensive, just crazy, and our provider didnt let us use anything more affordable |
| 15:23 |
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tcohen |
if you have spare memory you won't have problems with IO and the DB |
| 15:23 |
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ashimema |
the koha-remove script isn't completely thorough either yet is it.. |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: 128GB |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: but I was planning to run the zebra index from the ssd |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: for us the zebra index gets pretty large, say 50GB+ |
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tcohen |
having mysql apart from the front-end server makes sense for (horizontal) scalability |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: I thought they comp0ete for resources if they are under one OS |
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tcohen |
(i.e. multiple http front-ends, a single shared db) |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: ok |
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tcohen |
they will compete anyway (in the host OS) |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: I thought virtualization solves that one? |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: they compete for IO |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: But I thought if there are multiple threads in Koha, then DB might have to wait for CPU time |
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tcohen |
that's correct kivilahtio |
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kivilahtio |
tho we have 2x4 cores, but wouldnt want to waste hardware on inefficiency |
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kivilahtio |
but then again virtualization adds overhead and I have no idea which one is better |
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tcohen |
virtualization will give you flexibility |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: yeah, that is pretty awesome |
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tcohen |
the overhead is not something to worry about |
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tcohen |
you wont' notice it |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: ok, thanks! I'll stick to KVM+libvirt then. But I think i notice it esp with SSD's |
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kivilahtio |
but I can just give the Zebra indexer native access to SSD's |
| 15:29 |
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kivilahtio |
with libvirt+KVM I noticed the IO to be somewhat slower |
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tcohen |
oh, i have no experience with SSD in servers, we have several storage servers (with and without SSD) but we use them through iSCSI |
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tcohen |
(SCSI-over-Ethernet) |
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tcohen |
so we have latency |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: OK |
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tcohen |
but, we use lots of caching and RAM :-D |
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kivilahtio |
SSD's cost like 2000$ a piece so I am not sure should we buy them |
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kivilahtio |
200GB |
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kivilahtio |
And we have them mirrored, so duh |
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tcohen |
kivilahtio: you should make some performance tests before investing i guess |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #291 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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tcohen |
maybe is not a bad idea to have the ssd drives, but it will depend on the load/size of your setup |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: I am mostly worried about how Zebra deals with caching, and can you preload the zebra to RAM on startup? |
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tcohen |
i'm not aware of that, sorry |
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kivilahtio |
tcohen: It is pretty hard to make preformance tests as we dont have any data from our current ILS |
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kivilahtio |
there is no coparison benchmark |
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kivilahtio |
but I did some two years ago |
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kivilahtio |
our investement should cover us pretty well :) |
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tcohen |
you might just test and see how bad it is |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1582 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11192: (follow-up) fix a little typo <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b33356b8ac945f451> / Bug 11192: Fix lf and ff07-02 definition in ccl.properties <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c183751309fa95c6e> |
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oleonard |
Looks like OCLC's starting to do more and more RDA cataloging. Some records from OverDrive are NOW IN ALL CAPS. |
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kivilahtio |
have a nice weekend! |
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cait |
oleonard: and all caps is rda? |
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* cait |
has some doubts |
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oleonard |
RDA rules say that the cover of the book is the definitive reference for title, including case. |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
interesting |
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wahanui |
i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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oleonard |
wahanui: I'm picking "bad" in this case |
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wahanui |
oleonard: huh? |
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cait |
oleonard: it hink it's a question of interpretation maybe? |
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cait |
can't see germany adopting that rule :) |
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oleonard |
cait: Luckily RDA also says that all cataloging decisions are left to the discretion of the cataloger. |
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oleonard |
RDA: "Follow these rules! Or don't. Whatever." |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: or, level 3 strikes again! |
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ashimema |
tcohen: bug 8773, how would one go about using a different indexing daemon with it? I assume it's just replace one of the config variables with the command to run another indexer... now that daemon mode is available in rebuild_zebra.pl I'd love to see if this patch can also support it. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup |
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tcohen |
ashimema: /etc/default/koha-common |
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tcohen |
INDEXER_DAEMON="koha-index-daemon" |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11066: (follow-up) add regression test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]555f96445682a0c28> / Bug 11066: make RIS and Bibtex exports RDA compatible <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8aed70af93a5a4f61> |
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ashimema |
tcohen: cheers.. I'll have a play.. very very close to signing off on qa for it now.. it's been a long time coming (sorry for that).. but i had to learn rather allot on the way to it.. |
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ashimema |
Works perfectly with the tamil indexer already :) |
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tcohen |
it does |
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tcohen |
i belive we need to refactor the rebuild_zebra script soon |
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tcohen |
anyway, the koha-*-indexer scripts all set the relevant environment variables |
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tcohen |
(those introduced by 8773) |
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tcohen |
the question would be if there's something tamil's-specific that would prevent rebuild_zebra to be daemonized |
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tcohen |
ashimema: i meant the koha-indexer script |
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cait |
ashimema++ |
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ashimema |
rebuild_zebra has needed a good re-factoring (read re-writing from scratch) for a while.. I think you explained the whole history fo those bugs to me at some point.. shame an internal one didn't get through before tamil came on the scene. |
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ashimema |
koha-indexer script.. sorry you lost me slighlty there. |
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tcohen |
koha-indexer is a helper script for packages |
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tcohen |
that has several switches |
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tcohen |
you should test it upon signing |
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tcohen |
koha-indexer --help |
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tcohen |
it is called from the init script |
| 16:17 |
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ashimema |
just reading it now.. |
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ashimema |
you think koha-indexer needs refactoring or rebuild_zebra.pl then.. |
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ashimema |
ack.. too many 'indexer' mentions.. I had my head wrapped around this stuff.. or at least I thought I had.. yes, I have tested the koha-indexer script.. with tamil enabled.. works nicely.. just reading it to see if/what would need to change to get it working nicely with rebuild_zebra (or rather koha-rebuild-zebra) |
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cait |
bye all :) |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #291: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/291/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 11192: Fix lf and ff07-02 definition in ccl.properties |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 11192: (follow-up) fix a little typo |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11192 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Master , Fix two definitions in ccl.properties |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #292 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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talljoy |
good mid-morning #koha |
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talljoy |
later tell cait just got your message on 2499 i will take a look |
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talljoy |
cait just got your message on 2499 i will take a look |
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cait |
thx |
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tcohen |
ashimema: INDEXER_DAEMON needs a daemon, not a command |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #292: UNSTABLE in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/292/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Joy Nelson: Bug 11066: make RIS and Bibtex exports RDA compatible |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 11066: (follow-up) add regression test |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joy, Pushed to Master , Export Citations not RDA compatible |
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tcohen |
bug 8375, we should be using something like jasper reports |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Signed Off , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF |
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reiveune |
bye |
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jeff |
"Some people, when faced with a reporting problem, think 'I know, I'll use JasperReports!'. Now you have Java." |
| 17:47 |
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jeff |
(i kid, i kid!) |
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jeff |
We use JasperReports Server here to report against statistics databases and Evergreen. |
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jcamins |
jeff: and then there are the people who when faced with the desire to play a card game say "I know, I'll just define a new language for defining card games." |
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jeff |
does "taking an existing card game and defining a new variant/expansion based on a programming language" count? |
| 17:52 |
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jeff |
because oddly enough, that was something that came up in brief conversation last night. :P |
| 17:52 |
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jcamins |
jeff: that was my original plan, but it's gotten wildly out of hand. |
| 17:53 |
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jcamins |
jeff: it turns out that if you don't want to hard code every aspect of the game, you have a problem. |
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tcohen |
interesting pov jcamins |
| 17:55 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: it seems counter-intuitive, but there are actually entire conferences devoted to describing games. |
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jeff |
And just to be clear, I think JasperReports is a great option for reporting, and JasperReports Server is a handy tool for staff to use for self-service reports against a wide array of sources. I just find myself staring at a Java stacktrace and dealing with Java more often than I like. |
| 17:56 |
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jeff |
Works very well for most users, though. I make no claims of its suitability either way for Koha. |
| 17:57 |
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jcamins |
Wow, what a heading: ‎‡a Augusta Dorothea,†‎‡c Princess, consort of Anton Günther II, Prince of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen,†‡d 1666-1751†|
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jcamins |
There's no authority for Anton Günther himself. |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
Seemingly. |
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oleonard |
I'll bet Anton Günther II would be mad to hear that his consort made more of herself than he did |
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jcamins |
oleonard: yeah, what a memorial: "Not as important as someone considered so unimportant as to not have her own name." |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1582: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1582/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 11192: Fix lf and ff07-02 definition in ccl.properties |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 11192: (follow-up) fix a little typo |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11192 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Master , Fix two definitions in ccl.properties |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1583 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1581 1 day 0 hr ago) |
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tcohen |
jeff, the problem seems to be getting jasper server to run out of the box with whatever Koha needs to use it. It could be a nice enhancement for vendors to offer clients |
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* magnuse |
convinces himself to start making pizza |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I made some awesome pizza yesterday. |
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jcamins |
Usually I make it after coming back late from work so I don't give it much time to proof, but yesterday Shari had to run errands after I got home, so it had time to rise. |
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magnuse |
i have a dough with lots of fiber in it - if i give it any time to rise it falls flat |
| 18:14 |
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magnuse |
the faster i can get it into the oven the better, it seems |
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magnuse |
ah, i use "wholemeal flour" according to google translate |
| 18:15 |
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* magnuse |
wanders off to actually do it |
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* tcohen |
makes his own pizza tooooo |
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* tcohen |
cooks its home made pizzas on his spit |
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tcohen |
Charcoal grilled |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I usually use whole wheat flour, though yesterday I didn't out of pique with the whole wheat flour I've been using. |
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tcohen |
jcamins: have you tried like this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QP3S[…]o/s1600/pizza.jpg |
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jcamins |
We don't have a grill. |
| 18:32 |
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jcamins |
I grilled hamburger buns once when visiting a friend, though. |
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tcohen |
grilled pizza is great :-D |
| 18:32 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I'd love to have a grill. |
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* cait |
would be happy with a new oven too |
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cait |
no pizza for me currently |
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jcamins |
cait: when are you getting your oven replaced? |
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cait |
dunno |
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* talljoy |
is glad she already ate lunch. grilled pizzas would drive me insanely hungry |
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jcamins |
Someone just skied by across the street. |
| 19:48 |
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jcamins |
Apparently we can add "skiing" to our list of "ways people travel to get around New York City in 2014." |
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cait |
? |
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jcamins |
cait: this is the first time I ever saw someone skiing in the city. |
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cait |
i have never seen that here |
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jcamins |
It's not an obvious mode of urban transportation to me. |
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jcamins |
So I can't say I'm surprised. |
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cait |
not really |
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cait |
youactually got so much snow in the city? |
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jcamins |
Except to that one enterprising woman who was going remarkably fast. |
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jcamins |
No. |
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jcamins |
We got 10cm, maybe. |
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cait |
oh |
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jcamins |
Oh, huh. 17cm. |
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jcamins |
Ugh. Forecast is for -11C on Tuesday. |
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cait |
we got rain |
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cait |
no snow this year so far |
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cait |
well not here in Konstanz, it's a weird winter |
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rambutan |
@wunder 64507 |
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huginn |
rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 1.0°C (2:01 PM CST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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huginn |
druthb: The current temperature in WEST UNIVERSITY, HOUSTON, Texas is 15.4°C (2:02 PM CST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1583: FIXED in 1 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1583/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Joy Nelson: Bug 11066: make RIS and Bibtex exports RDA compatible |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 11066: (follow-up) add regression test |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joy, Pushed to Master , Export Citations not RDA compatible |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
http://forums.bit-tech.net/sho[…]66947&postcount=5 ("I think you need Cat-alyst drivers for that motherboard") |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha. |
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francharb |
bye all |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (11:50 PM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
weird winter indeed |
