IRC log for #koha, 2013-11-17

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03:27 bag evening
03:40 druthb o/
04:08 bag heya druthb_away
04:08 bag just missed you
04:09 bag druthb_away: those rings that you were trying out - look really rad
04:16 bag @later tell druthb - cool rings :)  they look awesome
04:16 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
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04:36 bag boy kind of boring with no one around
04:36 bag back to looking at bugs for me then :)
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08:49 cait good morning #koha
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11:11 cait jcamins: you around by chance?
12:23 cait ok... if anyone is around who know stuff about apache... I need some help there
12:23 cait updated the laptop and now it's broken... *sigh*
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15:04 * magnuse waves
15:04 magnuse cait: what's your problem with apache?
15:04 * cait waves at magnuse
15:05 cait new apache version
15:05 cait but i think i solved it
15:05 magnuse 2.4.x ?
15:05 cait yeah
15:05 magnuse .conf problem?
15:06 cait that and some others
15:07 cait i wrote up a summary
15:08 magnuse cait++
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17:51 dpk1 Is mtompset around?
18:10 magnuse dpk1: he's not in my list of logged on users...
18:13 dpk1 magnuse: do you know his nick?  Sometimes they are not obvious.
18:13 magnuse i don't know any other nick than mtompset
18:19 * magnuse wanders off
18:19 cait dpk1:  not many people around during weekends
18:20 cait dpk1: maybe leave him a note on the bug or try tomorrow?
20:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #187 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #184 1 mo 6 days ago)
20:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #187: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/187/
20:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 7478: fix template translation problem in
20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10027: include fine details when printing a fine
20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10027: (follow-up) tidy members/
20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10027: (follow-up) improve display of fine details on printed invoice
20:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10619 - fix errors in sco.css for the CCSR OPAC templates
20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9531: Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml
20:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7478 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Template/translation problem in
20:47 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10331 - Little errors in (punctuation)
20:47 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10564 - use OPACURLOpenInNewWindow in UNIMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10027 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Fine details not showing when printing a fine
20:47 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10718: fix items with no checkouts report
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10619 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , sco.css missing for CCSR OPAC templates
20:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10331 trivial, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Stable , Little errors in (punctuation)
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10564 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , use OPACURLOpenInNewWindow in UNIMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10718 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , items with no checkouts report does not work
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21:16 eythian hi
21:16 cait hi eythian :)
21:16 cait happy monday! :)
21:16 eythian it is certainly a monday :)
21:28 dpk1 gmcharlt: I have updated patches on both 6435 and 11078 to address QA comments.
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21:40 JDatTeTakere Morning Koha Community from sunny Levin
21:44 cait morning JDatTeTakere :)
21:46 JDatTeTakere's Katrin!!!
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21:49 wizzyrea lucky sunny levin :)
21:49 wizzyrea it's cloudish wellies for me
21:51 JDatTeTakere Gidday Bob
21:52 cait wizzyrea: i haven't seen the sun in days..
21:52 JDatTeTakere Well, I may have over-exaggerated the sunniness a little @wizzyrea There are patches in the cloud where the sun is forcing its way through
21:52 cait JDatTeTakere: just me :)
21:52 wizzyrea same here :)
21:52 cait wizzyrea: it's kind of cold too
21:52 cait :)
21:52 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.8°C (10:50 PM CET on November 17, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
21:52 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
21:52 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on November 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
21:53 wizzyrea 17 is nice.
21:53 cait wizzyrea: No. or No ?
21:53 cait looking a tthe english numberpatterns for serials
21:53 cait we have
21:53 cait 'No. {X}',
21:53 cait but
21:54 cait Volume Number 1', 'Vol {X}, No {Y}',
21:54 JDatTeTakere Brrrrr...cold in Germany
21:54 wizzyrea it feels more proper to have the period.
21:54 cait hm
21:54 JDatTeTakere @wunder Levin
21:54 huginn JDatTeTakere: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:54 AM NZDT on November 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
21:56 eythian If you have . after No, you probably should also have one after Vol, as it indicates an abbrev.
21:57 JDatTeTakere I have a conumdrum.  We have a Circ rule for All Libraries for Rental Non Fiction.  They are set to go out for 14 days but are actually being issued for 7 days.  I have just created a new rule, just for Levin, and it's now lending for 14 days.  I can go ahead and clone that rule for the other 2 libraries but I'm wondering why the original one wasn't working.
21:58 wizzyrea because of the way the rules cascade.
21:59 wizzyrea if it hits a default rule for a branch, it uses that one before it gets to the more specific default
21:59 eythian which is kinda wrong
21:59 wizzyrea yep
21:59 wizzyrea it's been that way since... 3.4-ish
22:00 cait hmm not sure if it's wrong - branch should overrule all libraries i think?
22:00 JDatTeTakere So there must be a rule for a branch in there somewhere that is stopping the All Libraries one from working?
22:01 cait if you had a patron all itemtypes or all itemtypes all patrons i think that would do it
22:02 wizzyrea JDatTeTakere: I'd have to look at your rules - but yes
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22:03 JDatTeTakere I've found some old rules for Foxton and Shannon that said "7 days" - have deleted them and will test again.  Thanks Liz :-)
22:03 eythian cait: the general rule for those sorts of things is that the most specific should take precedence.
22:03 eythian so you can have a default and then define your exceptions to that.
22:04 cait i think we say the same
22:04 cait maybe interpreting it differently?
22:04 cait i would define a branch rule always more specific than an all items rule
22:04 cait for the given branc
22:04 cait h
22:05 cait it's getting late again
22:05 cait i better be quiet because probably mixing up things
22:05 cait and i have to test my patch for the web installer... meh
22:06 wizzyrea I think it's that the branch default rule always overrides any limited default rule
22:06 eythian define limited?
22:07 JDatTeTakere Yes, that's what has happened.  All fixed now. Happy testing @cait.
22:07 wizzyrea midway default default is more specific than all default default
22:07 wizzyrea so it gets used.
22:08 wizzyrea so if you have all, book, default, midway book default overrides it
22:09 wizzyrea and there are a couple of sysprefs that affect the rule behaviour as well - such as whether to use the item's home location or current location for rules
22:10 eythian kinda need a nice rules api with test cases for this sort of thing.
22:11 wizzyrea yes. Yes we do.
22:11 wizzyrea without it it's hard to improve the rules.
22:12 cait yeah... so many things we shoudl do :(
22:12 dcook ^^
22:20 cait wizzyrea:[…]ment.cgi?id=22989
22:21 wizzyrea yep, and people can edit them if they don't like it.
22:21 wizzyrea once they're in.
22:22 * cait sighs
22:22 cait[…]c092469f4df#l2688
22:22 cait hardcoded translations in a .pm file
22:43 eythian that's terribad
22:43 eythian they even misspelt autumn
22:44 eythian I bet they think christmas time is in winter, too.
22:47 cait heh
22:47 cait let metake a look
22:47 cait aah i see, what is better?
22:47 wizzyrea (they spelled it "Fall")
22:47 cait fall or autumn?
22:47 cait is one british/american?
22:47 wizzyrea lol.
22:47 eythian yeah
22:47 eythian autumn is correct where I am :)
22:48 wizzyrea Fall would be correct for en/US
22:48 wizzyrea but autumn for en/NZ
22:48 cait eythian: feel free to fix bug 11262 so you can customize that bit ;)
22:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11262 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Don't require hardcoded translations for saisonal numbering pattern to work
22:48 eythian mm saison
22:49 eythian <-- :)
22:49 eythian[…]596201985/photo/1
22:49 wizzyrea saison actually speaks quite loudly to me - it says "Drink more"
22:51 wizzyrea the orangy, coriander-y, and gingery the better :P
23:05 ibeardslee montieths about to trademark that as well?
23:08 cait wizzyrea: do you know how i have to enter a saional pattern?
23:09 cait i am trying a new subscription from january to decembe, 1/3 months, subscription length 4 issues
23:09 cait butnot sure what to give for saison begins with and inner counter
23:10 cait currently it gives me: spring 2013, summer 2014 :(
23:10 eythian you don't even like beer, cait.
23:10 eythian and now you're talking about them.
23:10 eythian what is going on?
23:10 cait eythian: i am trying to get this right so i can sleep - be nice
23:10 * dcook is so lost but beer!
23:11 eythian dcook: saison is a Belgian-yeast-fermented type of beer.
23:12 * cait feels lost
23:12 cait help?
23:12 wahanui help is at if no-one here can help.
23:12 * wizzyrea reads
23:12 wizzyrea sorry I had stepped away
23:13 wizzyrea ok let me check
23:14 cait i think i go tit
23:14 cait got it
23:14 dcook eythian: The wikipedia article was the one thing I understood ;)
23:14 wizzyrea i am not certain I grok what you are getting at, but I am going to test it
23:14 cait i had to add a 1 to Begins with
23:14 * dcook read that as add a 1 to Belgians with
23:14 * dcook stops being a pain in the ass
23:14 cait now my second issue is still 2013 and april, like it should be
23:14 wizzyrea Belgian Wit? Does that even make sense?
23:14 cait you all are trying to make me go to sleep right? :)
23:15 eythian wizzyrea: it totally makes sense
23:15 * wizzyrea is not the beer scholar that eythian is
23:15 wizzyrea it sounded right...
23:16 cait oh weird.
23:16 cait grr.
23:17 cait first time it startd with spring
23:17 cait now it suddenly starts with summer?
23:17 * wizzyrea goes ahead and tries it
23:18 cait ok, you have to make it a 0
23:18 cait in both
23:18 wizzyrea what happens if you don't put anything
23:19 cait let me see
23:19 cait emptying out both begin with now and saving, then editing again
23:19 cait yep stays the same
23:19 cait maybe i forgot to refresh the prediction pattern the first time
23:19 wizzyrea I think, with seasonal
23:20 wizzyrea you don't have to do anything with the advanced.
23:20 cait wizzyrea: can you try something for me?
23:20 cait the locale seems not to save :(
23:20 wizzyrea sure
23:20 cait i picked de-DE on mine, did the prediction pattern test and was happy to see my translations show up, then saved, edited again and locale is empty
23:20 wizzyrea but is it in the db
23:20 cait also.... my locale is de_DE - so it doesn't fall back?
23:21 eythian <-- wizzyrea, you'd probably like Belgian witbier
23:21 cait i will check
23:21 wizzyrea I love belgian witbier.
23:21 wizzyrea wit is probably my favorite.
23:21 cait wizzyrea: hm it seems to be, but it doesn't hsow up on editing
23:21 cait filing a bug
23:21 wizzyrea yea, so that's a display thing
23:22 cait but the prediction pattern is also wrong now
23:22 cait i will try to receive one to see if that works
23:22 wizzyrea hm mine, with nothing in, brand new sub, looks right
23:22 cait nope
23:22 cait the generated one is enlgish
23:22 rangi bag: you around?
23:23 cait heya rangi
23:23 wizzyrea did we have locale before?
23:23 cait nope
23:25 wizzyrea and it is supposed to translate ... what
23:25 wizzyrea there's nothing in the help about it yet
23:25 cait nope
23:25 wizzyrea i mean what's it supposed to do
23:28 cait it will control which month names and seasons you get
23:28 cait i am trying to make it show german seasons, to test my patch
23:28 cait but i thinmk it didn't like me saving and editing
23:28 wizzyrea theoretically it should only work with FR, because the only locales that are in the code are en and fr
23:28 cait which isn't nice, but i will start with a new subscription and see if that works better
23:28 cait yeah, working on a patch
23:28 wizzyrea or did I read that wrong
23:29 cait nope you read it right, but for month names the module they used offers more i think
23:29 cait only for seasons it has nothing so they added it in
23:31 cait what i wonder... it doesn't fall back to my system locale
23:31 cait because my system locale is de_DE
23:31 cait and i ended up with english seasons
23:31 wizzyrea well you would, because there are no seasons defined for DE
23:32 wizzyrea so it's good that it fell back to en
23:32 wizzyrea and didn't give you an icky error.
23:33 cait no it isn't good, because it means my change does not work :(
23:33 cait or that there is something else going wrong
23:33 wizzyrea oh, well yes, that part is not good.
23:37 cait wizzyrea: i think with selecting de-DE it works, now i am going to leave it empty...keep fingers crossed?
23:37 cait i tink it gets grumpy when you edit after saving
23:37 wizzyrea hm could be.
23:39 cait hm yeah
23:39 cait and that auto-detect thing doesn't seem to work
23:39 cait but that's not so easy to test really hm.
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23:50 cait bug 11264
23:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11264 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add German seasons to serials
23:50 cait not sure how this can be tested without a german os?
23:53 wizzyrea I like your season words.
23:53 wizzyrea Herbst.
23:53 wizzyrea awesome.
23:53 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea
23:53 * wizzyrea gladly pays.
23:54 cait hehe
23:54 cait thx :)

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