IRC log for #koha, 2013-09-20

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00:01 wizzyrea well she introduced herself as camille ^.^
00:03 jcamins Yep, that's her.
00:33 wizzyrea what is with the offing!
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00:35 wizzyrea I woulnd't look weird if you all weren't obsessed with off.
00:35 wizzyrea why shouldn't the discussion be in the log?
00:35 wizzyrea that kind of ruins the idea of transparency.
00:38 jcamins Yeah, but it also protects Koha from being associated with some rather extreme (and unpopular) attitudes.
00:39 wizzyrea mmm the truth is hard sometimes.
00:40 jcamins It is. But I don't have the right to put it in your mouth.
00:41 wizzyrea well I wasn't specifically referring to the stuff YOU were talking about
00:41 wizzyrea more drojf :P
00:41 wizzyrea and the email question
00:41 dcook :O
00:41 dcook drojf: You've been outed!
00:41 dcook outted?
00:42 dcook outed
00:42 dcook That almost looks like it can't be a real word...
00:42 * dcook is going to remember it for the next time he plays Scrabble though
00:42 wizzyrea I get wanting to not log your unpopular opinions.
00:43 wizzyrea but asking a question about voting probably deserves to be logged.
00:43 wizzyrea because offing looks like you're trying to hide something.
00:44 wizzyrea clearly mine is the unpopular opinion. So I'll just leave you to your offing.
00:45 dcook Actually, I agree with you, wizzyrea
00:45 dcook About it being a question deserving of logging
00:45 dcook Not that your opinion is unpopular :p
00:45 drojf i understand what you're saying and i think you are right. anyway it is almost 3am and it did not help me at all with the actual question so i'll rather go to bed
00:46 dcook Personally, as for the answer to the question, no idea
00:46 wizzyrea yea, idk
00:46 dcook If people want to "cheat", they're going to do it one way or another?
00:46 wizzyrea about the question anyway
00:46 wizzyrea 3am is way too late
00:46 wizzyrea go to bed :)
00:46 drojf full moon :/
00:47 wizzyrea oh man, yea. good luck.
00:47 wizzyrea i haven't slept well in 3 days now, presumably because of the full moon.
00:47 drojf i was up until 5 or 6 last night
00:47 wizzyrea ^ there is actually some research that shows even if you don't know the moon is full, sleep is disrupted
00:48 wizzyrea or if you can't see the moon.
00:49 drojf i think i saw it for 10 seconds two nights ago. don't know if that is the reason but i guess it would have worked without that like it did not :D
00:49 dcook My wife bought me an $80 pillow. I've been sleeping like a baby.
00:49 dcook Or a baby that sleeps well...which I a baby...
00:49 eythian wahanui: kiwi is[…]-out-on-anything/
00:49 wahanui ...but kiwi is the bird it takes it name from...
00:49 eythian wahanui: kiwi is also[…]-out-on-anything/
00:49 wahanui okay, eythian.
00:49 * dcook didn't know that people thought the full moon disrupted sleep?
00:50 dcook Which is perhaps why it's never disrupted my sleep?
00:50 wizzyrea I have been noticing this my whole life.
00:50 wizzyrea before I even knew it was a thing
00:50 wizzyrea I just thought I didn't sleep well sometimes for no good reason.
00:50 wizzyrea but if I keep track, it happens that I sleep not well more often when there is a full moon.
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00:51 dcook Hmm
00:51 wizzyrea it sounds crazy!
00:51 dcook It does sound crazy
00:51 wizzyrea it sounds like pseudoscience!
00:51 dcook Next time I don't sleep well, I'll try to remember to log it
00:51 dcook It's usually back pain
00:51 dcook Or I'm too hot
00:51 wizzyrea there are lots of reasons to not sleep well.
00:52 dcook Possibly emotional stuff but I don't have that many emotions so not that :p
00:52 wizzyrea kek
00:52 * dcook used to have the occasional nightmare during undergrad about not having good enough essays
00:52 drojf i have a long history of bad sleep and if i know it is full moon i blame that. else i blame other things. :D
00:52 dcook hehe
00:53 drojf but i'll give it a try. good night #koha :)
01:30 mtompset okay... I'm still confused... -- My debian VM fails, but my ubuntu VM works?
01:31 mtompset Okay... I must have broken something in C4::Circulation somehow?!
01:39 mtompset ARG!
01:39 mtompset The setenv mess.
01:41 dcook That'll get ya
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02:08 mtompset YAY! My patch found a bug in a test.
02:08 mtompset my ($usernum, $userid, $usercnum, $userfirstname, $usersurname, $userbranch, $branchname, $userflags, $emailaddress, $branchprinter, $persona)= @_;
02:09 mtompset C4::Context->set_userenv(1,'kmkale' , 1, 'kk1' , 'IMS', 0, '');
02:09 mtompset without the shift, IMS is the branchcode.
02:09 mtompset with the shift, 0 is the branchcode.
02:10 mtompset the parameters in the call don't match the parameters in the parameters in the function.
02:11 dcook True that
02:11 dcook Those parameters could be worded a bit nicer too..
02:12 eythian that's a terrible way of returning a set of values
02:12 mtompset It's C4::Context, what do you expect? :)
02:12 eythian oh, not returning
02:13 eythian providing.
02:13 eythian Still terrible :)
02:13 eythian yeah
02:13 eythian I'd replace it with a hash (though really it should probably be an object or something.)
02:14 dcook Mmm, a hash would be nicer
02:15 mtompset I was just thinking that.
02:15 eythian as a basic guide, I tend to think that if there are more than 3 arguments, you should probably do it some other way.
02:15 eythian situationally dependent, of course.
02:15 dcook Sounds like a good guide
02:15 jcamins hashref, please.
02:15 mtompset because too many parameters makes for harder debugging.
02:16 dcook Yes, totes hashref
02:16 jcamins That's what eythian means by replacing it with a hash, actually.
02:16 eythian hashref is more traditional, yeah.
02:16 mtompset We know... ref is another 3 characters. :P
02:16 dcook I was wondering about hashrefs the other day..
02:16 eythian well, you can use either, but hashref is more standard.
02:17 dcook So you can have a hash than create a hashref from it
02:17 dcook But you can also define a hashref from the start without having an original hash
02:17 eythian dcook: sure can
02:17 dcook Why is that?
02:17 eythian $hashref = { a => 'b', c => 'd' };
02:17 dcook Yeah. That.
02:18 eythian %hash = ( a => 'b', c => 'd' );
02:18 rangi you are making a hash, and a ref to it in one go
02:18 dcook But if it's a reference...does that mean that it makes a hash at the same time as it makes the reference?
02:18 dcook Mmm, k
02:18 rangi both of them make a hash
02:18 eythian oh, I though you were asking a question there
02:18 dcook I figured that had to be the case
02:18 rangi %$hashref
02:18 rangi gets you the hash
02:18 rangi my %hash = %$hashref;
02:18 dcook Yeah, dereferencing hashrefs was...interesting
02:18 dcook When I was first figuring it out
02:18 eythian same as dereferencing anything else
02:18 dcook @$arrayref
02:18 huginn` dcook: I suck
02:19 eythian which isn't always not non-unconfusing.
02:19 dcook lol
02:19 cjh heh
02:19 dcook eythian: I had only ever coded in PHP before Koha. If there are references in PHP, I've never seen 'em :S
02:19 dcook Actually, now when I write in PHP, I miss Perl...
02:19 eythian ah yeah, php hides things like I think.
02:20 wizzyrea which isn't always not non-unconfusing - I had to read this sentence 3 times.
02:20 dcook hehe
02:21 dcook Actually, that totally explains my first encounter with references
02:55 mtompset question: if I have a biblio number of 28, and a biblioitems record matching with biblioitemnumber=28, should I not have an items record with biblionumber=28 or biblioitemnumber=28?
02:56 jcamins mtompset: sure, if your bib has items.
02:56 dcook ^^
02:57 mtompset and if you delete an item, the items record would basically move to the deleteditems table?
02:58 eythian yeah
02:59 mtompset without touching biblioitems?
03:04 mtompset Is there a way to batch delete biblios with no items?
03:05 eythian not in the UI, but you can make a report that'll find them.
03:05 eythian well, you can delete them using the output of that report.
03:18 dcook Delete them manually?
03:18 dcook mtompset: I think we have a PHP script that clears out bib records with no items
03:18 mtompset Anyways... next question. :)
03:19 dcook Although I think it's a bit dangerous
03:19 wizzyrea eythian: isn't there a script to do that in the migration tools?
03:19 mtompset Okay, I have a patch to fix the calling convention to set_userenv.
03:19 eythian hmm. Maybe.
03:19 wizzyrea I have this weird feeling that there is a tool for that
03:19 eythian there's a lot of scripts in there.
03:19 wizzyrea *nod* I'll check
03:19 mtompset When I fixed this, it busted t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t
03:20 wizzyrea mtompset: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]ced-a-bug-kohails
03:20 mtompset The calling convention was right, but the functions parameters (as shown before) were wrong.
03:20 mtompset Do I fix it in the same bug, or a different bug?
03:22 eythian probably as another patch on the same bug
03:24 mtompset so a multipatch fix on the same bug... okay.
03:25 eythian especially if your stuff needs that to work right, but it's probably too small of a thing to warrant its own ticket.
03:30 mtompset How do you git bz 2 commits?
03:30 dcook I think it says in the wiki
03:30 wizzyrea ^
03:30 wizzyrea towards the bottom
03:31 dcook[…]Attaching_patches
03:31 dcook I think I usually use something like HEAD~1..HEAD
03:32 dcook Although I guess HEAD~1^ would probably work
03:32 * dcook can't remember the particular differences between ~ and ^ in relation to ancestors and such..
03:33 mtompset And now I am realizing why I like tiny single patches.
03:33 eythian just use HEAD
03:33 eythian or you can do HEAD^.. for the previous two
03:34 eythian ^ just means "previous", so you can do HEAD^^^^
03:34 eythian oh, or ^3
03:34 dcook What does ~ mean then?
03:35 eythian I don't know it nearly well enough to explain it.
03:36 eythian oh actually
03:36 eythian ^3 would be wrong
03:36 mtompset I just used HEAD, then unobsoleted the original patch.
03:36 mtompset and confirmed it with a git bz apply on a test branch.
03:36 eythian ^ is the first parent, ~2 is the parent's parent.
03:37 eythian so ~2 === ^^
03:37 eythian but ^2 is the second parent, not the parent's parent.
03:37 mtompset But ^^ looks happier. :)
03:37 dcook Mmm, right, that's it
03:38 dcook So HEAD~2 is head's parent's parent
03:38 eythian yeah
03:38 eythian following the first parent only
03:39 dcook So what would HEAD~^ be?
03:39 dcook Ack
03:39 eythian nothing
03:39 dcook HEAD~2^
03:39 eythian I think
03:39 jcamins dcook: typo?
03:39 dcook jcamins: :p
03:39 eythian the parent of the second parent
03:39 wizzyrea step-grandparent?
03:39 wizzyrea j/k
03:39 wizzyrea j/k
03:39 wizzyrea j/k
03:39 jcamins wizzyrea: once-removed.
03:39 dcook But HEAD~2^.. is supposed to be a range of 3 patches
03:40 dcook Head, head's parent, head's parent's parent
03:40 wizzyrea step-great-grandparent
03:40 eythian yeah, that sounds about right.
03:40 jcamins Yeah, you're right. Great-grandparents.
03:41 wizzyrea now the word parent looks weird to me
03:41 jcamins Or, great-grandparent.
03:41 eythian no step though, it's not chronological. Many people have two parents.
03:41 jcamins It's just one.
03:42 wizzyrea i know I was being not-funny
03:42 * jcamins laughed.
03:42 wizzyrea har har
03:42 * wizzyrea was imagining this screwed up family
03:42 wizzyrea relations all over the place!
03:42 wizzyrea in every sense of the word "relations
03:42 wizzyrea "
03:43 dcook I was just thinking that, wizzyrea :p
03:43 dcook Oh my...
03:43 eythian https://lh6.googleusercontent.[…]7_233666193_n.jpg <-- wizzyrea
03:43 * dcook has seen some odd Git diagrams...
03:43 wizzyrea ^ like that family
03:43 * dcook loves that image
03:44 eythian except git is just a directed acyclic graph, so that makes it easy.
03:44 dcook It would be tough to find the Doctor situation in Git
03:45 dcook When specifying a range of commits...I think you have to specify the one above the one you're including?
03:45 jcamins dcook: yes.
03:45 jcamins Well... usually.
03:45 dcook So HEAD~2^ would actually be head, head's parent, head's parent's parent, head's parent's parent's parent
03:45 dcook And the range just takes the first three
03:46 dcook Which means the wiki is slightly wrong then
03:46 dcook Well, not in the HEAD~2^ example
03:46 dcook Actually, no
03:46 dcook It's not
03:46 dcook HEAD~2..HEAD, HEAD~commitid..HEAD might be misleading
03:46 dcook But they're not necessarily wrong
03:47 jcamins We have HEAD~2^ on the wiki?
03:48 dcook "If you know you've 3 patches to attach, you can also use HEAD~2^.. to attach the 3 patches at once"
03:49 eythian git bz doesn't require specifying the commit above in general
03:49 eythian git format-patch, however, does.
03:49 eythian I don't know why it's not consistent
03:49 dcook <rev1>..<rev2>
03:49 dcook Include commits that are reachable from <rev2> but exclude those that are reachable from <rev1>.
03:49 dcook But it seems to me that it also excludes <rev1>
03:50 mtompset And that is why I like single patches. Too much HEAD-y stuffs.
03:50 dcook B..C             C
03:50 dcook Makes sense I guess
03:50 dcook mtompset: But wouldn't you rather know how it works
03:50 dcook Than limit yourself to single patches?
03:51 wizzyrea HEAD. Relations. It's getting hot in here.
03:51 dcook We haven't even talked about the hunks yet, wizzyrea. Calm down.
03:51 dcook :p
03:51 wizzyrea *snicker*
03:52 mtompset I'd rather it work in a way that is intuitive and obvious. It isn't.
03:52 dcook But don't you enjoy being a master of the arcane and esoteric?!
03:53 mtompset Only occasionally... Not always.
03:53 wizzyrea you probably only need a really good short class on git.
03:53 mtompset Not when I want it to just work.
03:53 wizzyrea then it will just work.
03:53 dcook ^^
03:54 dcook Git seemed a bit imposing when I first started using it, but it's pretty sweet
03:54 dcook Like wizzyrea is saying, once you get the hang of it, you can rattle off commands without realizing it
03:54 wizzyrea you can also find yourself having 2 hour arguments with it.
03:54 dcook wizzyrea: I'm headed to the beach in 5 minutes :p
03:55 wizzyrea No, Git! NO!
03:55 wizzyrea Bad git!
03:55 dcook Ah, "with" it
03:55 wizzyrea are you now.
03:55 dcook I just meant I'm leaving the discussion..
03:55 wizzyrea it is decidedly not beach weather here
03:55 dcook Wife got off work early and the boss is letting me out
03:55 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
03:55 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
03:55 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
03:55 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 22.0°C (1:30 PM EST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
03:55 wizzyrea hm, temp is ok
03:55 wizzyrea but the sky is not beachy.
03:55 dcook Too bad my swimmers are in my gym bag
03:56 dcook mashed potato clouds and blue sky
03:56 dcook Hmm, a bit windy though..
03:57 wizzyrea scattered clouds my ass. Try "touching the treetops" clouds.
03:58 dcook lol
03:58 wizzyrea try "gonna rain at any second" clouds.
04:00 mtompset Interesting pondering: why does reference to one's bottom express disbelief?
04:00 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
04:00 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is 16.1°C (12:00 AM EDT on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
04:00 dcook Hmm
04:02 wizzyrea everyone's butt is broken. It's got a crack in it.
04:02 dcook http://dictionary.cambridge.or[…]y/british/my-arse
04:03 dcook I like how it says "offensive" under "my arse!"
04:03 dcook Anyway, time to not get sand everywhere
04:03 dcook Ta all
04:03 mtompset Bye, d--
04:04 mtompset So a crack signifies disbelief?
04:05 * mtompset shrugs, and considers going to bed.
04:12 mtompset Are we supposed to advocate for our bugs on the channel?
04:12 wizzyrea That's fine, but probably a terrible time to :)
04:13 wizzyrea as late friday and most of the rest of the world is in late evening/late night/early morning
04:13 mtompset True... it is likely lunch somewhere. :)
04:13 mtompset I'll wait until 9/23 ;)
04:14 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
04:14 * mtompset waves bye to wizzyrea.
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06:10 * Kaptein_Sabeltann waves
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06:12 magnuse awww...[…]ohacon13/Arrivals
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06:36 reiveune hello
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06:42 magnuse bonjour
06:42 magnuse @wunder boo
06:42 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
06:42 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:42 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 14.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
06:42 magnuse hah! ;-)
06:44 sophie_m yes, but the wind is down today the temperature wil increase magnuse :-)
06:46 magnuse and we can expect lots and lots of rain, so i'm just bragging while i can :-)
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06:50 alex_a bonjour
06:50 wahanui what's up, alex_a
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07:06 gaetan_B hello!
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08:36 drojf good morning #koha
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09:43 magnuse has anyone tried importing marcXchange data with
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10:06 random_wind Would anyone know if the rebuild_zebra script is redundant in 3.12?
10:06 random_wind I ask because it seems my indexes are updating with running this!?
10:06 random_wind -without running!
10:07 magnuse random_wind: you need that script to update zebra when records are updated
10:07 magnuse how did you install? using the packages?
10:08 random_wind installed from pacakges. My indexes are updating with running this script though - it is strange.
10:08 random_wind add, remove or mod bib/item and it will reflect in Koha
10:08 random_wind opac and staff
10:09 rangi thats because the packages set up rebuild_zebra to run as a cron job
10:09 random_wind only process running is koha-common spawned processes?
10:09 random_wind under which user?
10:09 random_wind No user on the system has any crontab setup
10:09 rangi it wont
10:09 rangi look in /etc/cron.d/koha-common
10:10 random_wind sneaky!
10:10 random_wind at least that explains it!
10:10 random_wind Thanks @rangi
10:11 random_wind although, this seems like an odd thing to do!
10:11 rangi nope
10:12 rangi its a very standard thing to do
10:13 rangi look in /etc/cron.daily you'll see things like apache and logrotate do the same thing
10:14 rangi Packages must not modify the configuration file /etc/crontab, and they must not modify the files in /var/spool/cron/crontabs.
10:14 rangi If a package wants to install a job that has to be executed via cron, it should place a file named as specified in Cron job file names, Section 9.5.1 into one or more of the following directories:
10:14 rangi /etc/cron.hourly /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.weekly /etc/cron.monthly
10:15 rangi[…]y/ch-opersys.html
10:15 random_wind It's confusing regarding the permission on the zebra indexes though, isn't it?
10:15 rangi no
10:16 random_wind right. Before packages (using the tar install) Zebra used to have to run as the koha user, not as root.
10:16 random_wind all my zeb indexes are owned by root
10:16 rangi yes but the packages support multiple users
10:16 rangi and multiple sites
10:17 random_wind Sure, I appreciate that.  Still not sure I like the permission changes though!
10:17 rangi mine aren't they are owned by the instance owner
10:18 rangi ls -l /var/lib/koha/persona
10:18 rangi drwxr-xr-x 6 persona-koha persona-koha 4096 Jun 10  2012 authorities
10:18 rangi drwxr-xr-x 6 persona-koha persona-koha 4096 Jun 10  2012 biblios
10:18 random_wind instance owner:instance owner ?
10:18 drojf if they are owned by root you broke them already :p
10:18 rangi yep
10:18 random_wind hum.....strange.
10:18 random_wind did a straight forward package install though!
10:18 rangi installed koha-common then did a koha-create right?
10:19 random_wind yeah, as per the docs.
10:19 random_wind Ubuntu 12.10
10:19 rangi not sure what you did, but there is no way they should be owned as root
10:19 rangi koha-rebuild-zebra does sudo -u "$instancename-koha"
10:20 rangi ie, runs as your instance user (for each of your instances)
10:20 random_wind Yeah, that is why I though. Just as an aside. If the cron is run by root how does it assume the instance user to update their files?
10:20 rangi i just pasted how
10:21 rangi what is in /var/lib/koha  for you?
10:21 random_wind Nothing, doesn't exist
10:22 rangi so where are your zebra indexes then?
10:22 random_wind Unfortunatley I need to run......however, I am pretty sure (as I would say you are!) that I have done something strange during the install. Thanks for clearing up the cron job!
10:23 rangi heh
10:24 drojf huh? :D
10:24 rangi yeah, i wonder what docs
10:25 drojf i think "that blog" has instructions for 12.10 :/
10:25 rangi cos if you have no /var/lib/koha ... something odd is going on
10:26 drojf yeah that sounds very strange
10:26 rangi ah well maybe they learnt something about packaging rules at least :)
10:26 drojf heh :D
10:26 rangi right time for sleep
10:26 drojf good night rangi
10:26 * drojf hits the shower
11:13 magnuse kia ora khall
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11:26 khall hey magnuse!
11:26 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza
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12:00 rsm =>i need to develop pdf format reports in koha any help??
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12:02 rsm hi there can u help me regarding some pdf reports in koha
12:07 nengard rsm that would be a new feature for Koha - a development is needed. Right now it just generates CSV files or HTML or reports.
12:08 magnuse but you could take the csv, open it in e.g. LibreOffice and produce pdf from that
12:14 rsm ok but can we built a button to generate pdf reports
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12:18 oleonard Hi #koha
12:21 nengard rsm anything is possible ... if you develop it or have a developer you can ask to create that feature for you :)
12:22 nengard morning oleonard
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12:31 Pablo Hi all!
12:34 Pablo I'm using koha-common, v3.12. I already install (I was expecting to add libkoha-contrib-tamil-perl as dependency) but even I follow wiki instructions, I keep getting:
12:35 Pablo [....] Starting Koha indexing daemon (koha):Invalid --user argument: 'koha.koha' (unknown user koha)
12:35 Pablo Even I use --user INSTANCE-koha, or --conf as man says, or --config or -C as output says
12:36 Pablo of cource service koha-index-daemon start -C /etc/koha/sites/INSTANCE/koha-conf.xml
12:37 Pablo Someone could bypass this error...?
12:41 Pablo Also stoped zebra: koha-stop-zebra INSTANCE
12:45 jcamins Pablo: the instructions on the wiki are wrong. They don't make any sense.
12:45 jcamins Well... I think maybe they make sense if you did a standard install.
12:46 jcamins But if you do a package install or a git install (the more common options, since those are appropriate for production and development, respectively), the instructions won't work.
12:48 Pablo jcamins: So you think I wont be able to enjoy koha-index-deaemon, even I'm using v3.12? :( The strange thing is I can't set the correct user, even I use the --user option...
12:48 jcamins Pablo: it's not quite as easy as the instructions make it sound.
12:49 jcamins Bug 8773
12:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
12:49 jcamins ^^ this patch adds a script that works much better.
12:51 jcamins If you don't want to build your own packages (which you could absolutely do!), you could get copy the koha-indexer script out of that.
12:51 jcamins If you look at that script, you'll see it correctly handles users, etc.
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12:57 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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13:02 Pablo jcamins: Thank you, I'll try to make it run with that patch, or wait to 3.13 perhaps. Thank you!
13:02 mtompset 3.14
13:03 mtompset Even numbers are releases. 3.13 is the current master.
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13:10 tcohen morning #koha
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13:16 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
13:17 mtompset Or should I say tcohen_?
13:17 tcohen who's tcohen_ anyway?
13:18 tcohen what's the meaning of the second date on "arrivals and departures" wiki?
13:19 oleonard The date you added the information
13:19 tcohen thanks oleonard
13:19 oleonard I'm not sure why that is necessary, but I followed the example of the others
13:23 magnuse the date after the name gets added if you "sign" with the magical --~~~~ thingy
13:24 mtompset magical what thingy?!
13:25 * oleonard waves his magic wand ineffectually
13:28 tcohen magical wand?
13:29 oleonard magnuse: What is this magic of which you speak?
13:30 magnuse if you write the string "--~~~~" anywhere in the wiki it will be replaced with your wiki username and the datatime you saved the page
13:30 magnuse s/datatime/date and time/
13:30 oleonard Magical.
13:31 magnuse yup
13:32 magnuse there is a button for it too
13:32 magnuse second one from the right, when you edit a page
13:33 magnuse "Your signature with timestamp"
13:33 magnuse hooray for bug 7813
13:33 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7813 enhancement, P3, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add ability to delete local cover images
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13:37 * magnuse calls it a week and waits impatiently for the time to be right for making pizza
13:42 khall question, what is the Koha SIP2 server expecting as a message terminator? LF, CR, CRLF, or does it not matter?
13:46 * mtompset groans.
13:46 mtompset qw vs. q problem, not an sql syntax problem.
13:56 tcohen @later tell eythian about bug 10624, it must be some typo around, i'll check it
13:56 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:10 slef hi everyone. Anyone had problem with constraint `aqbudgetborrowers_ibfk_2` foreign key (`borrowernumber`) references `borrowers` (`borrowernumber`)?
14:11 slef khall: OTTOMH I can't remember. Looked at the code?
14:11 mtompset Not that I recall. Sorry.
14:11 khall slef: I figured it out. It wasn't Koha, it was me ; )
14:11 khall I was expecting the wrong record separator
14:11 khall when I thought I was *sending* the wrong one
14:12 slef mtompset: hrm. I'm getting the "ERROR 1005...(errno: 150)" problem on upgrade on one library.
14:15 slef the underlying error is "Cannot resolve table name close to: (`borrowernumber`)"
14:15 slef which is just wrong, as it's pretty obviously borrowers, isn't it?
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14:19 slef Hmmm, which list to email about it - koha or koha-devel?
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14:27 slef Hey, borrowers in this database is MyISAM. Should it be? Can that break foreign keys?  Except I've other tables with the same constraint already :-/
14:28 oleonard slef: borrowers is InnoDB in my test system, FWIW
14:30 slef oleonard: this library has upgraded from Version: $TheArk including before I worked there.
14:31 slef Anyone remember how to convert a MyISAM table to an InnoDB one?  STFW now
14:32 slef ALTER TABLE tablename ORDER BY 'primary_key_column'; ALTER TABLE tablename ENGINE = INNODB;
14:32 oleonard I wonder if it means the database missed an update at some point?
14:32 slef ohhhh please no
14:34 slef oh well after altering borrowers to innodb, it works... now to finish the upgrade... thanks oleonard
14:38 rambutan I'll bet druthb would know all about ISAM
14:39 rambutan that was (is?) one of the db's that Sirsi used
14:50 * mtompset sighs, "I think I must not be looking for the right thing. Can anyone give me an idea on how to equivalently code "SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID('field');" from MySQL into a more ANSI SQL or DB agnostic method? I can't seem to get $dbh->last_insert_id to work even in a simple test case.
14:53 rambutan oleonard: I presume we're on the same flight into RNO (from DEN)
14:53 oleonard Oh yeah?
14:54 rambutan[…]Arrivals#Arrivals
14:54 oleonard UA295?
14:54 rambutan no, I see you're flying in two days later
14:55 rambutan nevermind
14:55 oleonard Yeah, you need to put your arrival in order in the list :)
14:55 rambutan ah, 1 min
14:57 * oleonard isn't on circ desk after all
15:05 rambutan oleonard: I can't read this morning :) we are on the same flight
15:08 paul_p oleonard : I'll try to come to KohaCon with some tapenade (crushed olives, that you liked so much)
15:09 paul_p all = on monday clrh will be back , after 4 months AFK for adding 1 human-being to our world.
15:10 oleonard paul_p: Thanks! And congratulations to clrh!
15:10 * mtompset continues to try to understand last_insert_id.
15:11 mtompset Yes, crongratualtions to clrh. :)
15:11 paul_p mtompset = it's probably easier that to understand one's wife though. Good luck
15:11 paul_p oleonard / mtompset congratulate her on monday, I'm not involved at all with this baby ;-)
15:11 mtompset paul_p: It's easier to use a DB specific solution that try to come up with something generic.
15:12 oleonard rambutan: I wondered what you would find if you wanted to know what I looked like and tried to do a Google image search on my name. I see no pictures of me, but one of magnuse
15:12 rambutan Well, I hadn't thought to google you :)
15:13 rambutan However, at the last USA "kohacon", what did we call it back then, in Wisconsin I think, about 5 years ago....
15:14 * jcamins knows what oleonard looks like. There's a picture from an old KohaCon.
15:14 rambutan we had arrived at the airport, and were on the shuttle bus to the hotel, and there was a guy on there that I was just sure was gmcharlt, althought I had never seen him before
15:14 rambutan sure enough, it was indeed
15:14 yhager Hi, on our koha 3.10, anything we put in a non-public note (FA framework) does not get saved. It does when I use the default framework. Could this be a bug?
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15:17 jcamins yhager: my gut reaction is that you are missing a MARC-to-Koha mapping.
15:18 jcamins we should have more marc?
15:18 jcamins more marc?
15:18 jcamins let's have more marc?
15:19 druthb marc?
15:19 wahanui marc is probably the standard that isn't
15:19 jcamins let's use more marc?
15:19 jcamins let's add more marc?
15:19 jcamins how about no?
15:19 wahanui[…]33/collapsing.gif
15:19 jcamins Not the one I was looking for, but that'll do.
15:21 druthb lol
15:22 mtompset druthb: Glad to hear you aren't a pirate anymore.
15:23 druthb :P
15:24 druthb Arr?
15:24 wahanui We're a club of tuneful rovers! We can sing in every clef! We can even hit the high notes! It's just too bad we're tone deaf! A pirate I was meant to be! Trim the sails and roam the sea!
15:24 * druthb chuckles.
15:24 jcamins arrrrr?
15:24 wahanui We're a pack o' scurvy sea-dogs. Have we pity? Not a dram! We all eat roasted garlic... ...then sing from the diaphragm! A pirate I was meant to be! Trim the sails and roam the sea!
15:26 * jcamins wonders how many people recognized the reference.
15:27 mtompset AAAAAA! More incorrect function calls.
15:27 * mtompset grumbles at set_userenv's outdated documentation.
15:27 oleonard Not me jcamins
15:28 jcamins Aww.
15:28 jcamins It's a US-only reference, apparently, so if you don't, probably no one.
15:29 mtompset
15:29 mtompset Is that it?
15:30 jcamins Yep.
15:31 mtompset Never heard of that. Sorry.
15:31 jcamins One of my roommates in college played that game.
15:34 mtompset *sigh* The error I found is in checkpw in C4::Auth. ARG.
15:35 yhager jcamins: where/how do I add that mapping?
15:35 * oleonard offers jcamins his condolences
15:36 jcamins yhager: Koha-to-MARC mapping in the Administration section.
15:37 jcamins Wait, no, framework editor, sorry.
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15:40 * cait waves
15:41 rambutan waves waves
15:44 cait Joubu++
15:47 yhager jcamins: ok, I'll try. thanks!
15:48 cait Joubu++ again
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16:00 druthb cait!  Cait!  CAIT!
16:00 druthb *waves*
16:01 * cait waves back
16:01 cait hey :)
16:01 cait i am back!
16:01 druthb missed you!
16:16 cait :)
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16:19 gaetan_B bye !
16:26 slef mtompset: CRONgratualtions?
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16:28 * oleonard considers trying to resurrect Bug 3469
16:29 * oleonard taps his foot and looks for huginn
16:29 cait bug 3469
16:30 cait and hi oleonard :)
16:30 oleonard[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3469
16:30 nengard that's a good one
16:30 cait oleonard: sounds good
16:30 oleonard Considering out often my staff asks if I know a way to find out what someone's old card number was...
16:30 cait we have been using patron attributes
16:31 cait i tink
16:31 oleonard Putting the old card number into a patron attribute?
16:31 cait yes
16:32 cait a repeatable field, copy the cardnumber and add the date
16:32 cait or something like that
16:32 oleonard Sounds tedious :)
16:32 cait well it works but is not perfect :)
16:33 cait and it doesn't happen that often
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16:36 gmcharlt @quote random
16:36 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #195: "jcamins: libsysguy's test plans all involve sandwich-eating. I think he only programs when hungry." (added by wizzyrea at 06:12 PM, March 30, 2012)
16:37 oleonard What was it like on the outside huginn?
16:38 * cait waves at gmcharlt
16:38 * cait is happy to have survived all the big events of this week :)
16:38 gmcharlt hi cait
16:40 druthb libsysguy is *always* hungry.
16:40 druthb I think he's powered by a small singularity.
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16:41 druthb speak of the devil.
16:41 * libsysguy heard someone say they had sandwiches
16:41 * libsysguy goes to write a test plan
16:41 druthb Second-floor break room, libsysguy.  Rising Roll today.  Not too shabby.
16:42 * jcamins has a sandwich.
16:42 oleonard Dang, my second-floor break room only has a week-old newspaper.
16:43 * libsysguy already had a spicy cuban
16:43 druthb ours has a vending machine, too, oleonard, and two refrigerators, and two Keurigs.
16:43 libsysguy jcamins, I heard about your rye sandwiches
16:43 libsysguy ewww
16:43 libsysguy :p
16:44 oleonard I'm cutting out early, #koha. Have a good weekend.
16:44 druthb I thought about the Cuban, libsysguy, but they have a salad I just adore, so I got that instead.
16:46 libsysguy I'll probably regret the cuban during my workout today
16:47 libsysguy oh hey, today is a rest day
16:47 libsysguy hbt
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17:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
17:24 druthb @wunder 77098
17:24 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (12:24 PM CDT on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
17:25 rambutan @wunder 64507
17:25 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 18.7°C (12:25 PM CDT on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
17:26 druthb We're supposed to be getting some serious rainfall tonight and tomorrow.
17:26 rambutan We got a good rain yesterday
17:26 druthb We got a bit overnight, but the hammer's supposed to hit late this afternoon.
17:27 rambutan is there a tropical storm in the gulf? I haven't heard
17:27 druthb I'm thinking I'm gonna hole up all day tomorrow.
17:27 druthb There's an area of very low pressure over the Gulf of Campeche, but it's not yet a depression.
17:27 druthb The front we've got coming in will keep it away from the TX coast.
17:27 rambutan manuel I think
17:28 mtompset yes, yes, slef. I made a typo.
17:28 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10894: Add ID to main address in member entry form <[…]446e681ab72024f8c>
17:28 * mtompset removes his chauffeur's hat.
17:28 druthb Manuel is on the *west* coast (Pacific).  It hammered Acapulco.
17:28 rambutan[…]ch-texas/17896415
17:29 rambutan "Tropical Moisture From Gulf, Manuel to Soak Texas"
17:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #110 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #1427 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10915: (QA followup) warn if cannot read history.txt <[…]d13ecd8463696c4c2> / Bug 10915: fix About->timeline breakage on incompletely upgraded Koha <[…]5c40f39db04fe510a>
17:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10924 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Contact note not updating via opac
17:45 mtompset *sigh* We don't change flags so often, do we? (a couple and set_userenv function calls were off by one parameter)
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17:55 cait drojf!
17:55 drojf cait! :)
17:56 druthb drojf!
17:57 drojf druthb! :)
17:59 druthb :D
17:59 druthb My favorite Germans are here!
17:59 druthb Germs?
17:59 wahanui hmmm... Germs is
17:59 druthb Germany?
17:59 wahanui well, Germany is very cool
17:59 druthb :P
18:00 cait :)
18:04 drojf i'd call it cold :P
18:04 * cait nods
18:05 nengard has anyone used the html5media embed recently?
18:05 nengard It worked for me back when it was put in - but i'm trying it now and it's not working for me in 3.12.4
18:05 nengard not sure if it's me
18:05 nengard or a bug
18:06 jcamins nengard: I tested it fairly recently.
18:06 jcamins I had trouble getting it to work because I had the media type wrong.
18:07 nengard k so i put the link in the 856 and enabled the preference and the media type in preference
18:07 nengard what media type did you use that was wrong?
18:07 jcamins It has to be video/ogg instead of video/[something]+ogg, which is what I did at first. Or something like that.
18:07 nengard i tried mov
18:07 nengard then used zamzar to make it an ogg
18:07 nengard they only have one off option
18:07 nengard ogg
18:08 jcamins Sorry, it's not the media type of the file that was the problem.
18:08 jcamins It was the media type I entered into the record.
18:08 nengard oh - that's the part i'm missing
18:08 nengard the media type on the record!!
18:08 jcamins There are two ways to specify every MIME type, and I chose the wrong one.
18:08 nengard where do I put that?
18:08 nengard and I need to update the manual too
18:08 jcamins Or, at least, two ways to specify some MIME types.
18:08 jcamins I don't recall.
18:08 jcamins I think it might be in the release notes.
18:08 cait drojf?
18:08 wahanui hmmm... drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
18:16 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #110: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/110/
18:16 jenkins_koha * David Roberts: Bug 10894: Add ID to main address in member entry form
18:16 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bug 10915: fix About->timeline breakage on incompletely upgraded Koha
18:16 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10915: (QA followup) warn if cannot read history.txt
18:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10894 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , ID required for mainaddress fieldset in create new patron
18:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10915 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , about->timeline broken on upgraded Koha
18:21 nengard jcamins how do you enter the mime type? is it type='video/mp4; codecs="avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2"'   or just video/mp4   ? The wiki isn't clear and since you got it to work
18:24 jcamins I think it's video/mp4
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19:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1427: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1427/
19:04 jenkins_koha * David Roberts: Bug 10894: Add ID to main address in member entry form
19:04 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bug 10915: fix About->timeline breakage on incompletely upgraded Koha
19:04 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10915: (QA followup) warn if cannot read history.txt
19:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10894 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , ID required for mainaddress fieldset in create new patron
19:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10915 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , about->timeline broken on upgraded Koha
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19:35 nengard isn't there a bug for item types not showing on the purchase suggestion form?
19:36 cait yes
19:36 cait the problem is in advancedsearchtype definitions
19:36 cait when we changed that to multiple
19:37 nengard well the bug is back
19:37 nengard do you know the number?
19:38 nengard found it i think
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19:54 * mtompset puts on his chauffeur's hat again.
19:55 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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20:49 rangi hmmm
20:49 cait hm?
20:49 cait hi rangi
20:49 rambutan the Koha docker thing is pretty cool.
20:49 rambutan   playing with it now
20:49 rangi yeah it is
20:50 rangi my script now tries to apply the dependencies too
20:51 rangi[…]g.cgi?id=7684#c66
20:51 huginn Bug 7684: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , inventory :  datatable fix actions etc.
20:51 rangi which helps find issues like that
20:52 cait :)
20:52 cait rangi++
20:55 rangi hmm also we are 1 km ahead of team oracle
20:55 cait yay :)
20:55 rangi but now racing the clock, if we dont finish in time, the fact that we utterly thrashed them, means nothing
20:55 rangi and have to race again
20:55 rangi dumb
20:56 cait oh
20:56 * druthb feels a little guilty saying that she's glad NZ is whipping Oracle Team USA in the America's Cup like they're red-headed stepchildren…but not much.
20:57 rangi we arent gonna make it :(
20:57 rangi gonna have to race again
20:57 cait :(
20:57 rangi got like 3 mins
20:57 rangi druthb: its always fun to make larry ellison cry
20:57 druthb Aw, darn, have to give them another sound thrashing.  Aw, shucks.
20:58 druthb I'm headed out for the weekend.  Take care, everyone.  :)
21:01 rangi well that sucked
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21:16 jcamins Whoah...
21:16 jcamins has anyone else noticed that the tabs on the 3.12 OPAC support keyboard navigation?
21:20 cait i think someone said something about that
21:20 jcamins Oh, well, first time I noticed it.
21:21 jcamins The staff client changes I of course noticed.
21:28 jcamins Aww, man, I missed a Twitter conversation about what I was working on last week!
21:33 rangi right, racing again
21:33 rangi bit more wind now
21:34 cait fingers crossed
21:34 rangi boats are doing 30 knots already
21:34 rangi (thats like 60kmph)
21:35 rambutan rangi: are you watching something on the internet? share link?
21:37 rangi on the tv
21:37 rangi not sure if tehre is a feed in the US im sure the tvnz live stream will be geoblocked
21:38 rangi
21:38 rangi dunno if there is live here
21:38 rangi  <-- live
21:39 rangi crapsticks oracle leading
21:39 cait boo
21:40 rangi evening up
21:40 rangi tense
21:40 rangi rambutan: did that link work for you?
21:40 rambutan nope, blocked
21:41 rambutan I'll read about it later.
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