IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-18

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00:00 papa umm you may be right...
00:01 * dcook grumbles about the "restricted" column being TINYINT(1)
00:02 mtompset How are you thinking of overloading the restricted column, dcook? ;)
00:02 dcook Psh, not overloading :p
00:03 dcook But using alphanumeric codes rather than just integers
00:03 mtompset ah, increasing the 0-9 to 0-9A-Za-z?
00:03 papa hey mtompset, how about we put return () unless $biblionumber ) in GetItemsInfo()?
00:03 dcook Well, that's one way
00:04 dcook I was thinking of having longer codes
00:05 mtompset The patch is to hide biblios, not optimize underlying functions. ;)
00:05 papa ok, you win...
00:05 dcook Ugh...apparently using codes other than a single integer works up until you try to give it to an item then it fails silently...
00:06 mtompset Though, I agree the underlying functions could be optimized. :)
00:06 mtompset Yuck. Failing silently is bad.
00:08 mtompset To be honest, papa, I was considering writing a simpler function into C4::Items, but that would require testing modules, and Lord help me... I got scared when I started to try to make sense of the tests in the ./t directory.
00:08 dcook Maybe I should use item type rather than use restriction...
00:08 wizzyrea .
00:08 wizzyrea ow.
00:09 wizzyrea i just accidentally punched my keyboard
00:09 dcook wizzyrea: Ouch
00:09 dcook I accidentally punched...two things this morning
00:09 mtompset as long as it wasn't with your face, you'lll survive. ;)
00:09 * dcook looks at the small scab on his knuckle
00:09 papa mtompset: I know the feeling
00:11 mtompset BTW, wizzyrea, how do you accidentally punch a keyboard? Hit it with your hand during a body turn or something?
00:13 wizzyrea well I was reaching for a pen behind my keyboard
00:13 * dcook imagines hulk liz
00:13 wizzyrea but missed it by a loooong shot
00:13 dcook Liz smash!
00:13 wizzyrea lol.
00:14 * dcook can't recall what he hit this morning or why
00:14 dcook I just remember being really frustrated when I punched the second thing (possibly the faucet)
00:14 wizzyrea i got attacked by a stucco wall the other day
00:14 dcook The walls are closing in, eh?
00:16 mtompset (How to punch a keyboard)
00:16 mtompset It's so lame, it is funny.
00:54 dcook All right, XSL. You're doing my head in a bit right now...
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00:58 mtompset Welcome back, wizzyrea. :)
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01:03 mtompset Thanks, papa, for the sign off. It prevents data mining. :)
01:07 mtompset drojf is working on a similar, but different patch for OpacSuppression.
01:18 * dcook looks at what day it is
01:19 dcook I hate Thursday :@
01:19 dcook Well, hate might be too strong a word
01:20 dcook should be exporting "GetItemnumberFromBarcode"...
01:21 dcook Maybe this is just a bad error message..
01:25 mtompset You had to look up today's name to hate it?!
01:25 dcook Well, everyone already hates Mondays and Wednesdays
01:25 mtompset Are you sure about Wednesdays?
01:26 dcook Aha!
01:26 dcook Figured it out
01:26 dcook Damned backup files...
01:27 mtompset I thought it was Thursdays that should be damned. :P
01:30 * wizzyrea whispers "git......"
01:33 dcook Gitwhisperer?
01:34 dcook While we develop with Git, we deploy via other means that generate their own backups
01:34 dcook I could probably turn those off...
01:36 dcook Apparently, Perl doesn't like it when you have a and a file
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02:02 mtompset I bet if you change the package line in the .bak version, it wouldn't care so much, dcook. ;)
02:08 wizzyrea it's all so cloak and dagger!
02:09 jcamins Oh, the support page still points to mibbit.
02:11 wizzyrea now I'm really confused.
02:11 jcamins We apparently have links to IRC in two places.
02:11 jcamins Confusing.
02:11 wizzyrea naw, useful.
02:11 wizzyrea the two i've found though both point to mibbit. I could have SWORN I fixed that.
02:11 jcamins Sure, except the link is bad on one.
02:12 jcamins Three cases, then.
02:12 wizzyrea
02:12 wizzyrea oftc has blocked mibbit, full stop.
02:13 jcamins I followed a link ot OFTC webchat which doesn't work behind proxies or firewalls.
02:13 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, but there's a link to the OFTC web client somewhere, 'cause that's what I used yesterday.
02:13 wizzyrea it's on that page I just linked
02:14 jcamins Oh. Right. :)
02:14 * jcamins is exhausted.
02:16 wizzyrea well poo now I can't find the third place.
02:16 wizzyrea i think there were only two
02:17 jcamins No, there were probably only two.
02:17 jcamins I thought you were saying both had the wrong link.
02:19 wizzyrea ok, well I've changed every IRC link I found to point to the get-involved/irc one
02:19 wizzyrea and that points to oftc.
02:20 jcamins Thanks.
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02:23 jcamins And, one last change: could you add a link to kiwiirc?
02:33 dcook Oh yes!
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02:35 jcamins Yes?
02:35 dcook Well, maybe
02:35 dcook Still trying to figure out that "Copies available for..." issue from yesterday
02:35 dcook At first, I was annoyed because "restricted" in the items table of the DB is TINYINT(1)
02:36 dcook However, grabs the authorized value descriptions, so the actual code is irrelevant
02:36 jcamins Yeah.
02:36 dcook I would still need to be using magic...but I could still use that field if I want to
02:36 dcook Which might work fine for "photocopy only"
02:36 dcook But for "Copies available electronically..."
02:37 dcook I suppose a person could use the uri field...
02:38 dcook But that isn't foolproof either
02:38 dcook As you might have ebook items without urls
02:38 dcook Which rely on a record's 856
02:40 dcook I suppose the magic use restriction could still work..
02:41 dcook Not ideal or perfect but functional
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02:58 mtompset Well, tomorrow is the weigh-in. *sigh* Not looking forward to it. Didn't have a good two weeks. Better get some sleep.
02:58 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
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03:34 * Oak waves
03:51 dcook Note to self: Do not carry (empty) 8 foot tall bookshelves with one hand...
04:02 bag unless you are the Rock
04:02 * dcook checks with self
04:02 dcook Consensus is that I'm not the Rock ;)
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04:34 zebran00b Can't seem to get any automated email services working with Koha 3.12 or find instructions about email server set up in documentation. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
04:35 wizzyrea the first question?
04:35 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
04:35 wizzyrea specifically?
04:35 wizzyrea besides "send email"
04:37 zebran00b So for example, when a patron creates a list and clicks "send list" they get an error message "Problem sending the list..."
04:37 zebran00b when new patrons are created, even though system preferences are set so new patrons receive an email notification about their new account, it never goes out
04:38 zebran00b There's a system pref for entering the email address to appear in the "From:" field, but I can't find any instructions for how Koha has access to that account in the first place.
04:38 wizzyrea there is no account.
04:39 zebran00b that's what I thought, but I'm wondering if its looking for email settings or packages that aren't there.
04:39 wizzyrea did you install with packages?
04:39 zebran00b yes
04:39 zebran00b about a month ago, so fairly new build
04:40 wizzyrea did you do a koha-email-enable instance?
04:40 zebran00b yup
04:40 wizzyrea and do you have things in your mailq?
04:41 wizzyrea does your maillog tell you anything?
04:41 zebran00b hang on, I'll check
04:41 wizzyrea i'll be straight - usually it just works.
04:42 zebran00b that's what I'm afraid of, its suppose to just be working
04:42 wizzyrea :/
04:43 wizzyrea could it be that a firewall is blocking the outgoing mail?
04:43 wizzyrea because if outgoing mail is working from a linux server, Koha just works.
04:44 wizzyrea so I'd investigate ways to troubleshoot *that* problem.
04:44 zebran00b interesting, mailq says it sent out the sorts of msgs I'd expect in May, June, but not the past week
04:45 zebran00b many are from <root@debian.debian>   to <root@debian.debian>
04:45 wizzyrea yep, if you don't fill in the admin email it will grab the address from the system
04:46 zebran00b but in the to: field as well?
04:46 wizzyrea cron mail?
04:47 zebran00b I suppose
04:47 wizzyrea anyway, sorry have to run :/
04:47 wizzyrea gl
04:49 zebran00b thx
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05:12 rangi oh wow the colombian national library using koha now too
05:13 dcook w00t!
05:16 rangi so thats malawi, venezuala, colombia, hmm i know there are a couple more but i cant remember
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05:47 cait good morning #koha
05:48 dcook hey ya cait :)
05:48 cait hi dcook
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06:04 cait papa++
06:04 cait lots of sign-offs!
06:10 dcook papa++
06:11 dcook Making the rest of us look bad ;)
06:12 dcook @wunder konstanz
06:12 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
06:12 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:12 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (4:00 PM EST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:12 dcook ...
06:12 dcook Interesting
06:12 wahanui Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
06:13 * dcook should get a t-shirt with that quote and an attribution to wahanui
06:14 * dcook wishes that he knew unimarc if only for the sake of testing...
06:16 dcook cait, rangi: Any tips for testing bug 10535?
06:16 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10535 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , by default sort funds by name
06:17 dcook I haven't done much with unit tests...
06:18 cait hm let me see
06:19 dcook prove TEST.t
06:19 dcook ?
06:19 cait just run prove or perl t/db...
06:19 cait the amount of output it gives you varies, prove is less, perl is more
06:21 dcook So...
06:21 dcook prove Budget.t
06:21 dcook vs perl t/db_dependent/Budget.t?
06:21 dcook Aren't those different tests?
06:22 cait there are 2 Budget.t files?
06:22 dcook Apparently
06:22 dcook I think I understand now.
06:22 dcook Thanks, cait :)
06:22 cait oh good :)
06:22 dcook I'm going to test a patch or two even if it kills me
06:22 dcook Well...maybe not quite
06:23 cait hm i fit kills you that will harm us long term, so better stop in time
06:24 dcook My thoughts exactly :)
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06:33 marcelr hi #koha
06:35 cait hi marcelr
06:35 cait :)
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06:43 dcook Huh...
06:43 reiveune hello
06:44 dcook Hey ya reiveune :)
06:44 reiveune dcook \o/
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06:45 christophe_c hello #koha
06:52 marcelr hi christophe_c  reiveune dcook and cait
06:52 reiveune hi marcelr
06:52 christophe_c hello marcelr
06:53 dcook Huzzah. Finally tested a patch for July...
06:53 * dcook looks for another
06:53 rangi hmm if you can afford the license fees for crystal reports, you can afford a koha support compnay
06:53 dcook Koha support companies are rather affordable
06:55 cait @wunder singen
06:55 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Beggingen, Beggingen, Germany is 24.1°C (8:55 AM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
06:56 rangi nice
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07:05 dcook Interesting...I didn't know that tinyint(1) would actually have quite a large range...
07:19 dcook Home time!
07:19 dcook night #koha
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07:30 drojf good morning #koha
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07:46 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:46 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.5°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
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08:54 eythian hi
08:54 wahanui hi, eythian
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09:30 eythian @wunder bn1 1nb
09:30 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.2°C (10:30 AM BST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
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11:39 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
11:39 mtompset Greetings, nengard.
11:39 nengard hello
11:39 wahanui kai ora, nengard
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11:57 khall @later tell oleonard is there any particular reason the bootstrap btn classes don't/won't work in Koha? try making a button with the classes btn and btn-primary and you'll see what I mean.
11:57 huginn` khall: The operation succeeded.
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12:14 tcohen morning #koha
12:14 marcelr hi tcohen
12:14 tcohen hi marcelr
12:15 tcohen really windy here, my hair is just a revolution taking place
12:15 marcelr ;)
12:15 tcohen not that it isn't, normally heh
12:16 jcamins tcohen: my hair is in a permanent state of uprising.
12:16 tcohen heh, hi jcamins
12:16 jcamins Leaving for the airport in an hour.
12:26 tcohen have a nice flught jcamins
12:27 tcohen *flight*
12:29 mtompset Greetings, tcohen jcamins marcelr.
12:29 marcelr hi mtompset
12:31 mtompset Where are you going, jcamins? Work related?
12:31 jcamins Home.
12:31 jcamins I've been in AL training a new medical library.
12:37 mtj hi all
12:37 mtj hey jcamins, would you take a peek at my last comment on bug 8402
12:37 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8402 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Failed QA , generate 'install_misc/debian.packages' file from debian/control file
12:38 mtj …i recall you saying that you still find those files useful
12:39 mtj or, now that we have the packages mostly sorted - are they all redundant?
12:39 jcamins I don't find them particularly useful, but they serve a very different purpose than a package from Koha's apt repo.
12:40 mtj hmm, they do?
12:40 jcamins Yes.
12:40 jcamins They provide a list of packages that require installing.
12:40 jcamins The package from the apt repo installs a bunch of packages.
12:41 jcamins However, as I'm not RM anymore, I don't have a strong opinion. :)
12:42 mtj so i guess the assumption is… people use that list of packages, to install some packages
12:43 jcamins Or to see what they're going to need to install.
12:43 jcamins Though perhaps it's possible to get that information from a deb as well.
12:43 mtj snap
12:43 jcamins In which case it's just an installation documentation issue.
12:44 eythian there is the koha-perldeps package, if that's useful for your cause.
12:44 eythian However, you'd be best using the scripts that work out that kind of thing if you're making docs.
12:44 eythian Because that's what they're good at.
12:45 jcamins eythian: yeah, mtj suggested eliminating the package lists and just saying "there is a koha-deps package."
12:45 eythian Oh, I see
12:45 eythian no, that's not ideal
12:45 mtompset eythian: why?
12:45 eythian people may always have weird reasons to not want the packages, and we should allow them that.
12:45 mtompset in Debian and Ubuntu?!
12:46 eythian sure, it's not my place to dictate how people administer their systems.
12:46 mtj well, i basically agree with eythain
12:47 mtj but, there's extra effort in maintaining those files… is it worth it?
12:48 mtj thats the question, i think
12:48 jcamins mtj: we're not talking about a lot of effort.
12:48 jcamins We're talking about thirty seconds once per release.
12:48 eythian it's pretty easy to do. I'd be inclined to say "you can use the package from the repos, or here's a list of dependencies."
12:48 eythian and just use debian/list-deps to make it
12:49 eythian keeping in mind that not everything is in stock Debian.
12:49 mtompset (or stock Ubuntu)
12:49 mtj ok, i'm convinced - lets keep those files :)
12:51 mtj (i'll paste this convo into the bug)
12:52 mtompset Can you list dependencies on a package without installing it?
12:52 eythian probably
12:52 eythian well, yes. But I don't know how easy it is.
12:53 mtompset just a second... going to try something.
12:56 mtompset apt-cache show <package>
12:56 mtompset Doesn't have to be installed.
12:58 mtompset So the question is, do we really want to allow people to install Koha without adding the Koha Debian Repository?
12:58 mtompset It seems like such a difficult way to do things.
12:58 jcamins I still have no objection to providing that option to those who need it.
12:59 eythian especially as it's just documentation
12:59 mtj i agree
13:00 jcamins eythian: well, in principle you can use dpkg --set-selections.
13:00 eythian that's true
13:00 eythian though they'd have to cpan some parts of it
13:00 mtompset Actually, jcamins, there's a mutli-architecture issue on Ubuntu at least.
13:00 mtompset the set-selections method wouldn't work.
13:01 mtompset tcohen encountered it.
13:01 mtompset I experienced it when I didn't have a 64-bit repo forced on me.
13:01 mtompset Shoot... I have to go.
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13:32 drojf marcelr++
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13:38 drojf jcamins: around?
13:38 jcamins Kinda.
13:39 jcamins What's up?
13:39 drojf i'd have a DOM/zebra question
13:39 drojf i know you love those ;)
13:39 jcamins Heh.
13:39 jcamins Shoot.
13:40 drojf i added some indexes for bug 9972. i changed both biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl. now that marcelr asked, i am not sure if it is the correct way to do it. i ws thinking "have it as standard setup and in case someone builds their own later"
13:40 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Failed QA , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
13:41 jcamins That is the way you must do it.
13:41 drojf yay!
13:41 drojf thanks!
13:41 drojf jcamins++
13:41 jcamins You generated the zebra file from the xml, right?
13:41 jcamins (because you have to change both, but the zebra file must be generated)
13:42 drojf i think so. has been some time ago. i have to change something anyway so i will make sure to do that
13:45 eythian liking google's All Access music thing now I've finally got access to it.
13:49 drojf never heard of it. it's amazing how ignorant i became of all things google ;)
13:50 drojf so, it's a service that tracks what music you like? :P
13:50 eythian basically sorta like spotify, you have access to their whole catalogue for streaming.
13:50 eythian drojf: we already have :)
13:50 drojf heh
13:51 drojf probably not available in germany because of copyright/license problems anyway
13:51 drojf the google thing i mean
13:51 eythian GEMA does hate you all, it's true.
13:51 drojf we don't even have a real youtube
13:51 drojf yup
13:53 drojf well, a new collection society is in the making. i hope to outlive GEMA
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13:57 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10595: don't display OpacTopissue page when system preference is turned off <[…]f431d9e4abfc744d8> / Bug 10411: add cache control headers for static resources (Debian package) <[…]d13ffcb5d11f65657>
14:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10597: fix Search to hold button on record details page <[…]c4984b7bdc167c388>
14:19 eythian @wunder bn1 1nb
14:19 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 29.0°C (3:15 PM BST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
14:22 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:22 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 28.3°C (4:13 PM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
14:23 eythian looks a bit chilly there, drojf
14:24 drojf lucky me to sit inside a library ;)
14:30 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:30 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 32.8°C (10:30 AM EDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from noon today to 7 PM EDT this evening...
14:32 oleonard At least our humidity is below 90% this morning...
14:33 oleonard My glass is half full!
14:33 oleonard The other half is filled with muggy oven-hot air.
14:39 druthb @wunder 77098
14:39 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 30.6°C (9:39 AM CDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
14:39 * druthb wiggles her eyebrows at oleonard.
14:40 oleonard I'll give Texas another hour to warm up before I start to complain about Ohio being hotter druthb
14:40 druthb hee hee
14:41 rambutan @wunder 64507
14:41 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 28.6°C (9:40 AM CDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
14:53 oleonard Hey everybody I see that wizzyrea updated
14:53 oleonard The update covers many of the issues people pointed out in the last round of comments
14:53 oleonard wizzyrea++
14:55 tcohen what was the demo user?
14:56 oleonard Uh... Actually I don't remember if she gave us one?
14:57 jcamins member/member1 per news.
15:01 drojf oleonard: are you planning to keep the login link at the top and the login form on the start page? it would save me from loading a new page if the link would just send me all the way down to an anchor at the login form (on the mobile).
15:02 oleonard I agree with your point drojf and I'm pondering how to handle it.
15:03 oleonard I might conditionally load some JS to pop the login form open in a modal window
15:03 oleonard I worked a lot on making the Cart button behave like the Lists button yesterday and it was a more work than I expected!
15:04 drojf they are still different for me
15:04 tcohen There's still a little scaling problem with the search box
15:04 tcohen besides that, looks great oleonard
15:04 oleonard drojf: No, that work isn't up yet
15:05 drojf ah, alright
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15:06 tcohen jcamins, r u already @home?
15:07 drojf tcohen: i have that too and it is funny: if you scale down slowly in firefox responsive view the select boxes scale down slighty more than the search box. like, they start almost the same size and the smaller you make the window, the bigger the difference gets. (guessing you have the same in your screenshot, that thing does not work for me)
15:08 tcohen exactly
15:16 reiveune bye
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15:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10559: remove spurious "statement handle still active" warnings <[…]ec62a8c8f7f520627>
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15:52 pianohacker oleonard: New followup patch for bug 10320, _should_ fix the issue you mentioned
15:52 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
15:52 pianohacker (replaces the previous one)
15:52 oleonard Thanks pianohacker. I wasn't trying to bug you, just wanted to make sure that didn't get lost in the shuffle
15:53 pianohacker Oh, no, appreciate the reminder
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16:05 oleonard Bug 10483 is passed QA but I can't get it to work. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong?
16:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10483 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , does not work
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16:17 pianohacker oleonard: About to rebase those two patches on origin, I think that should solve the problem
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16:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10553: make public lists available on OPAC login page <[…]a78bb6a4517dcb558>
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16:52 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10457: fix SQL error when using 'export select items data' in serials claims... <[…]72aa334100898a756>
16:53 tcohen this is a good patch that just god fixed :-D[…]tions/+bug/939300
16:54 tcohen s/patch/bug/
17:01 rambutan that ought to be a perfect patch
17:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places <[…]6e25ed2f9f2ef11cd>
17:06 oleonard Can anyone else confirm Bug 9396? Am I the only one?
17:06 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9396 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Saved reports listed twice
17:09 gmcharlt oleonard: I'm not seeing it
17:17 gmcharlt tcohen++
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17:38 druthb @quote random
17:38 huginn` druthb: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
17:38 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
17:38 drojf lol
17:39 drojf @quote random
17:39 huginn` drojf: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013)
17:39 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
17:40 drojf oh, it's one of those scary minutes when neither kf nor cait is here
17:40 * druthb has been missing her all day.
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18:08 * oleonard just went outside briefly and regrets it
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18:15 mtompset Greetings, koha.
18:16 mtompset Did you arrive safely, jcamins?
18:16 oleonard pianohacker: The OverDrive search is working well for me now
18:16 pianohacker excellent!
18:16 pianohacker thanks again for testing
18:17 mtompset What is OverDrive?
18:17 wahanui OverDrive is evil.
18:17 * mtompset laughs.
18:17 mtompset Who set that?
18:17 oleonard pianohacker: Where does the ratings data come from? I don't see a rating displayed on our OverDrive site
18:17 pianohacker oleonard: It originally comes from OverDrive, not sure where it comes from on their end
18:18 pianohacker mtompset: they're an ebook provider
18:19 oleonard mtompset: However, I'm not sure there is evil inherent in their nature or whether they simply absorb the evil in inherent in DRM
18:20 * mtompset cringes, "DRM?!"
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18:20 mtompset Yes, perhaps inherited.
18:20 mjk hmm. someone needs to fix the website
18:20 mjk it looks like the irc server banned mibbit
18:21 mtompset Yes, there was a discussion about that earlier today or yesterday.
18:21 mjk ah
18:21 mtompset what link where is busted?
18:21 oleonard Which page mjk? links to
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18:22 mjk
18:22 mjk has a link that uses mibbit
18:22 oleonard @later tell wizzyrea still links to mibbit
18:22 huginn` oleonard: The operation succeeded.
18:22 mtompset Yes. Confirmed.
18:23 mjk anyway, is there any good documentation to use a tuturial to teach complete novice volunteers how to catalog books or will i have to write it myself
18:24 oleonard Are you trying to teach non-catalogers cataloging, or catalogers Koha cataloging?
18:24 mjk i'm trying to teach non-catalogers how to catalog using koha
18:25 mjk i taught myself, but after working for several hours, i was only able to get about 85 books barcodes and cataloged
18:25 mtompset[…]-koha-3-8-6382585
18:25 mtompset Of course, that's not the current version of Koha, but it should cover general concepts, I think.
18:25 oleonard mjk: Are you using Z39.50 to find existing records?
18:25 mjk yes, when they exist
18:26 mtompset I hear z39.50 makes cataloguing easier that way. :)
18:27 druthb @wunder 77098
18:27 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 32.8°C (1:26 PM CDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
18:27 mjk i'm thinking that my directions will be: do a z39.50 search and import the most complete record you can find. if you don't find anything (or you find a woefully incomplete record), set it aside for somebody who knows what they're doing to create from scratch (or do some copy-pasta from worldcat)
18:27 druthb @wunder 45701
18:27 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 32.2°C (1:51 PM EDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening...
18:28 oleonard No heat advisory for druthb because Texas.
18:29 oleonard mjk: That seems reasonable.
18:29 druthb lulz
18:29 * druthb waves to mtompset.
18:29 mtompset Greetings, druthb. Happy anniversary. Is that today or tomorrow? I wasn't paying attention. :)
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18:30 mjk btw is there any program that can convert something like this:[…]43420152&1%2C1%2C
18:30 mjk into koha-readable marc
18:30 mjk certainly marcedit won't touch it
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18:31 oleonard Really? Not that I know much about marcedit.
18:31 mjk i tried and i couldn't get it to do it
18:31 * cait waves :)
18:31 mtompset Greetings, cait.
18:31 * mjk waves back
18:31 druthb mtompset:  tomorrow. :)
18:31 cait hi mtompset, mjk
18:31 druthb Hi, cait!
18:31 cait hi druthb :)
18:31 oleonard Our long international nightmare of caitlessness is over!
18:32 cait huh?
18:32 oleonard We missed you! :)
18:32 druthb :D
18:32 cait you missed confusing cait? :)
18:32 cait that's sweet :)
18:32 druthb We missed you lots n lots!
18:32 mtompset mjk: The data is practically MRK format. You just need to tweak the lines to start with =, change LEADER to =LDR, and perhaps some space removing around the two bits before the subfield information.
18:33 cait we had our.. company outing? today
18:33 cait spent lots of time with the coworkers in nature and eating icecream
18:33 druthb yay icecream!
18:34 cait almost too much icecream
18:34 cait i might take a break from icecream for a while now
18:34 oleonard We've been complaining about the heat all day today, so I'm not sure if the nature part is good or bad
18:35 cait it was not too warm and we did the walking part early :)
18:35 cait i didn't get sunburnt this year - which is a first
18:35 cait so how is #koha today? :)
18:35 mjk @mtompset, i tried to work with that data, but i couldn't get it clean enough for koha to recognize the record.
18:35 huginn` mjk: I suck
18:36 oleonard mjk: huginn` (a bot)  is complaining because you used the "@" in that message
18:36 mtompset @what?!
18:36 mjk oh
18:36 huginn` mtompset: downloading the Perl source
18:36 mtompset That's sad and hilarious (re huginn` )
18:36 druthb wahanui:  botsnack cookie
18:36 wahanui thanks druthb :)
18:37 cait !huginn botsnack cookie
18:37 mjk anyway, i guess i should write a quick and dirty intro to cataloging for my club
18:37 cait hm that was not the trick
18:37 mjk a lot of people probably won't like dealing with videos
18:37 oleonard Who does?
18:37 mjk i meant watching an instructional video
18:38 mjk sych as i was linked to earlier
18:38 mjk old school fen like words, preferably on dead trees
18:39 pianohacker I much prefer words too. Most instructional videos are too slow
18:40 cait pianohacker: yp
18:40 cait yep
18:40 cait most videos are annoying
18:40 cait but all people learn differently
18:40 mjk I wonder if I should steal screenshots from the official documentation or if I should make my own
18:41 cait hm maybe ask nicole and put your documentation up somewhere to reuse for others?
18:42 mjk maybe i'll do so after i've tested it on a bunch of nesfans.
18:45 mjk that will mean that i'll have to either create two versions or simply not include any NESFA-specific info in the text
18:58 * oleonard wonders why Bug 9396 affects only him
18:58 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9396 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Saved reports listed twice
18:58 oleonard I even tried truncating my saved_sql table and adding one from scratch... Still showing duplicates.
19:01 cait oleonard: hm  could check?
19:03 cait oleonard: can't reproduce :(
19:11 gmcharlt oleonard: could you send my a mysqldump of your saved_sql table?
19:14 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "gmcharlt: saved_sql" (65 lines) at
19:21 gmcharlt oleonard: tried it, not seeing any problem
19:22 mjk would fonlk consider this accurate:  Koha (our library software) is a complex and flexible piece of software, but the parts of it that you need to learn as a cataloger are pretty simple. When cataloging, you will be working primarily with two features, the Z39.50 search interface and the MARC record editor. MARC records are the international standard for the storage of bibliographic data, while Z39.50 is a standard for querying MARC-o
19:22 mjk riented databases.
19:24 cait international standard might be a bit too far ... but i think it doesn't really matter here :)
19:29 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "That'll do it." (7 lines) at
19:29 oleonard Mystery solved.
19:30 cait oh!
19:30 drojf heh
19:30 drojf twist!
19:30 * cait hands oleonard a cookie
19:30 cait hi drojf
19:30 cait you missed me? ;)
19:30 mjk policy question for any real librarians hanging out here.
19:30 drojf hi cait
19:30 gmcharlt oleonard: dang it, you figured out my secret plot to confuzzle you!
19:30 drojf of course i did!
19:31 drojf how was your trip?
19:31 cait it was nice :)
19:31 cait we were pretty lazy this year which suits me fine
19:31 drojf that sounds better than expected ;)
19:31 cait not too much time in the hot sun
19:31 mjk when cataloging books, should a barcode label be applied before a work is entered or only after it is fully cataloged
19:31 drojf heh nice
19:31 pianohacker mjk: preprinted or koha-generated barcode labels?
19:31 drojf mjk: that is something you can invent to your liking ;)
19:32 mjk preprinted
19:32 cait what suits your workflow best :)
19:32 pianohacker my instinct would be after; that makes it easier to tell what has and hasn't been actually cataloged
19:32 mjk i generate them 300 at a time using gLabel and blank avery mailing labels
19:32 cait i think it's good if you don't have to touch the books all so often, so I would probably catalog the item and put the label in at that time
19:33 cait also you will see what's already in Koha as pianohacker said :)
19:33 mjk right, but in my instruction i'm writing, the way of handling books for which z39.50 records can't be found is "put the book aside for a marc wizard to deal with"
19:34 oleonard cait: I tested Bug 10320 today and found it to work
19:34 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
19:34 cait mjk: then i would leave the label out and leave that to the wiz as well
19:34 oleonard cait: Is there anything in particular you'd like me to look at?
19:34 cait you catalog the item after you added the record
19:34 mjk sok.
19:34 cait oleonard: that it breaks nothing else :)
19:34 cait and as you are the one who can test... also that it works
19:34 cait maybe also take a look at the logs
19:34 cait if it adds warnings and stuff
19:35 drojf mjk: you are starting from scratch? (no old system, weird self-built databases or excel sheets)?
19:35 pianohacker I forgot to add a test to dump a page of warning on every load on mtompset's machine only, shoot...
19:36 drojf lol pianohacker
19:36 * mtompset laughs.
19:36 mjk drojf: we're starting from scratch. nobody in the club ever took this on as a project before
19:36 mtompset You're Eeeeeeevil, pianohacker. :P
19:36 drojf mjk: cool! you will learn a lot. to hate MARC is one of the things. don't worry, it's normal :D
19:37 gmcharlt pianohacker is decidedly not eeevil # cross-F/LOSS ILS project in-joke
19:38 mjk it came to a head when one member brought back three full grocery bags full of books and dvds and we realized that the current paper-based checkout system was broken
19:38 cait mjk: heh
19:38 pianohacker oh wow
19:38 tcohen bye #koha
19:38 cait you will still rely on people to actually check out things
19:38 cait but that's always the problem...
19:38 pianohacker gmcharlt: That's a bit disappointing, was trying to raise my evil quotient this summer :)
19:38 cait mjk: i think when doing everything from scratch, you already have the right idea
19:38 cait like putting away books not found for later
19:39 cait i woud attach the barcode when adding the item - but that's really my preference and you shoudl do what works best for you :)
19:39 mtompset You forgot the evil cackle, pianohacker. Not good, if you are trying to up it. ;)
19:40 mjk she'd actually signed them out... it's just that with the current system (self-signout sheets orgazined by author name) you never really know who has what without looking hard
19:53 mjk would anybody add anything to this description of the search process: Click the "Z39.50 search" button. This will bring up a window where you can input a number of search parameters, as well as selecting which library catalogs you want to query. Generally speaking, ISBN numbers offer the best parameter to search by, but for pre-ISBN books, author and title fields will get the job done. After you submit your query, Koha will get to wor
19:53 mjk k and with any luck, you will be presented with a list of one or more matching records. If there's more than one choice, you can preview the available records in either MARC form or in human-oriented "card" form. Pick the record that is most complete (this will usually be from Toronto) and import it using the "Import" link.
19:55 cait :)
19:55 cait sound sgood
19:55 cait have you seen you can also click everywhere ina line to bring up a context menu with the import link?
19:56 cait sometimes helpful so you avoid scrolling
19:56 mjk i'm trying to make this as simple as possible for people to use as a guide at a "cataloging party"
19:57 cait yeah that#s right
19:57 cait :)
19:57 cait so forget what i said
19:57 cait simple is good
19:57 oleonard A cataloging party sounds like a blast. Is there an open bar?
19:58 mtompset cataloging party... good idea. :)
19:58 mjk nope, but there's a full-szed refrigorator stocked with every kind of carbonated beverage known to man (including mexican coke)
19:58 cait flash mob cataloguing?
19:58 mtompset open bar, but it isn't free. ;)
19:59 mjk also a smaller fridhe full of water for those who acre about things like nutrition
19:59 mtompset flash mob cataloguing... Fame! I'm gonna live forever. ;)
19:59 mjk *fridge
20:04 cait where and when? :)
20:04 mjk oh well. my evening planes becon.
20:05 mjk cait: in boston at a time to be deterimned
20:05 cait ah
20:05 cait guess I won't amke it then
20:05 mjk see you guys later.
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20:26 oleonard Bye #koha
20:26 pianohacker bye oleonard
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21:37 cjh aquaman: morning
21:40 wizzyrea well that was an earthquake.
21:40 cjh it felt like our building was doing a little dance
21:40 wizzyrea it wobbled for a good 45 seconds or so on L7
21:41 wizzyrea i'm sure it's in my mind it still feels swayish
21:43 ibeardslee I had to restrain myself from breaking into the whisky to settle the nerves
21:43 cjh heh
21:45 wizzyrea it was decently jolyt
21:45 wizzyrea jolty*
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22:14 rambutan Earthquake?
22:14 wahanui Earthquake is on the news
22:14 wizzyrea
22:15 rambutan cool link
22:16 wizzyrea geonet is cool
22:16 rambutan I see that the KS State Librarian, Jo Budler, was selected as Library Journal's 2013 Librarian of the year.
22:17 wizzyrea hm interesting
22:17 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
22:20 rambutan time for the ball game
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22:24 aquaman cjh: morn
22:31 mtompset wizzyrea: Did you get the tell pointing at the bad mibbit link on the support page?
22:32 wizzyrea I did
22:32 wizzyrea I was fixing it and then we had an earthquake
22:32 wizzyrea >.>
22:32 wizzyrea and then I forgot what I was doing and started on something else
22:32 mtompset I was going to say that is a pretty powerful fix, causing an earthquake. ;)
22:37 wizzyrea mtompset: you will be happy to know that the link has been fixed.
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23:31 tcohen can i says happy birthday to gmcharlt or should I strictly stick to my timezone?
23:32 gmcharlt tcohen: I'll happily collect birthday wishes in whichever time zone is most convenient ;)
23:32 tcohen happy birthday gmcharlt!
23:32 gmcharlt thanks! :)
23:33 jcamins Happy birthday, gmcharlt!
23:35 gmcharlt jcamins: thanks :)
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23:44 dcook morning #koha
23:49 tcohen hi dcook

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