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mtompset |
Greetings, dcook. |
| 00:08 |
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tcohen |
it depends on your setup i guess? |
| 00:08 |
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tcohen |
independent branches?? |
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dcook |
Quick question for XSLT and XML users... |
| 00:10 |
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dcook |
What does ":11: parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 31" mean? |
| 00:10 |
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dcook |
I figure there must be an invalid character in the XML but I can't see it... |
| 00:11 |
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pastebot |
"dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "XSLT error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/110 |
| 00:11 |
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wizzyrea |
mtompset: regarding your question |
| 00:11 |
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wizzyrea |
to the libraries each catalogue the item? |
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wizzyrea |
is there a biblio for each library, is what I mean |
| 00:12 |
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* dcook |
thinks he missed something |
| 00:13 |
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dcook |
XChat is not my friend today... |
| 00:16 |
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dcook |
Aha...the logs perhaps are saying more... |
| 00:17 |
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jcamins |
dcook: what's the XML that is causing problems? |
| 00:17 |
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dcook |
New MARCXML being converted from a proprietary XML format |
| 00:18 |
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jcamins |
I meant, please paste same so that I can tell you where the problem is. |
| 00:18 |
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dcook |
I think they're invisible characters :/ |
| 00:18 |
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dcook |
Hmm |
| 00:19 |
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jcamins |
Oh, good call. |
| 00:19 |
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jcamins |
That's not XML, that's binary MARC. |
| 00:19 |
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* jcamins |
hadn't read the ascii table yet when he asked for a copy of the XML. |
| 00:20 |
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jcamins |
BTW, wahanui's answer to "where the problem is" is great. |
| 00:20 |
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dcook |
where the problem? |
| 00:20 |
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wahanui |
i think the problem is that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values |
| 00:20 |
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jcamins |
where the problem is |
| 00:20 |
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wahanui |
i guess the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 00:20 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 00:20 |
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jcamins |
Please tell me where the problem is |
| 00:20 |
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wahanui |
the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 00:20 |
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dcook |
Yes, wahanui. Humans are problematic... |
| 00:20 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 00:20 |
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dcook |
Yeah, it looks like an ascii character |
| 00:20 |
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jcamins |
i can tell you where the problem is |
| 00:20 |
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dcook |
In this case, /x1e to be specific |
| 00:20 |
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dcook |
And... /x1f I think |
| 00:21 |
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dcook |
Record separator and unit separator? |
| 00:21 |
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jcamins |
Yup. Field and subfield separators, I think. |
| 00:23 |
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jcamins |
I just checked the MARC documentation. Field and subfield separators, definitely. |
| 00:23 |
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dcook |
I think the group separator is in there as well |
| 00:24 |
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dcook |
So...these are invisible? |
| 00:24 |
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* dcook |
takes a look for the hex.. |
| 00:24 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
| 00:24 |
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jcamins |
Unless you're an XSLT processor, apparently. |
| 00:25 |
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mtompset |
Sorry, I was away from the keyboard, wizzyrea. I believe it may be branch related, yes. |
| 00:25 |
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dcook |
I can respect XSLT processor's strictness ;) |
| 00:25 |
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dcook |
I'm not noticing the 1E or 1F hex in the binary though |
| 00:26 |
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mtompset |
Yes, I believe IndependentBranches is set to prevent branches from modifying other branches. |
| 00:27 |
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dcook |
Durrr |
| 00:27 |
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dcook |
jcamins: I get what you're saying now |
| 00:27 |
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mtompset |
So, there will be a biblio for each branch, because of IndependentBranches? |
| 00:28 |
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dcook |
Right...it's binary MARC...not XML |
| 00:28 |
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jcamins |
Yep. I hate it when they stick binary MARC in XML tags. |
| 00:28 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, I'm not being ironic. |
| 00:28 |
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dcook |
I'll paste in the error log.. |
| 00:28 |
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mtompset |
binary MARC in XML tags?! |
| 00:29 |
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pastebot |
"dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "binary marc in marcxml?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/111 |
| 00:29 |
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dcook |
I don't see any marcxml there though |
| 00:30 |
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dcook |
Brain = confused |
| 00:30 |
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jcamins |
Right, if you look in biblioitems.marcxml, you will find... binary MARC. |
| 00:31 |
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jcamins |
Probably wrapped in XML tags. |
| 00:32 |
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jcamins |
"Setup will complete in approximately: 35 minutes" |
| 00:32 |
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dcook |
Looks ok to me :/ |
| 00:47 |
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dcook |
Huh...maybe this somehow isn't related to the xslt.. |
| 00:47 |
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dcook |
A regular search works fine |
| 00:47 |
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dcook |
But the tag search... |
| 00:47 |
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dcook |
That's what is exploding everything |
| 00:48 |
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dcook |
But it must be the xml.. |
| 00:50 |
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jcamins |
Ohhhh. |
| 00:51 |
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jcamins |
There was a bug with tagging. |
| 00:51 |
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jcamins |
I don't remember exactly what it was, but there was one. |
| 00:52 |
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dcook |
Hmm, that does help :) |
| 00:52 |
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dcook |
Although... |
| 00:52 |
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jcamins |
The bug I'm remembering was fixed in 3.10, I think. |
| 00:53 |
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dcook |
I think this is still a data issue |
| 00:55 |
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dcook |
When I try the tag search on my test system with good marcxml, it works |
| 00:55 |
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jcamins |
Oh, I'm sure it is, but there was a bug that allowed bad data to break searches. |
| 01:02 |
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dcook |
Mmm, I see I see |
| 01:05 |
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| 01:05 |
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drojf |
yay i'm awake at 3am |
| 01:05 |
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dcook |
Jesus, drojf! |
| 01:06 |
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dcook |
For once, I can actually say good morning when it's morning here! |
| 01:06 |
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drojf |
apart from the "get up at 8" thingy that's fine |
| 01:06 |
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drojf |
lol |
| 01:06 |
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drojf |
hi dcook |
| 01:06 |
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mtompset |
Actually, if drojf hasn't gone to bed yet, it's still yesterday for him. That's how we time travel. Don't sleep for 24 hours to stay in the past. ;) |
| 01:07 |
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drojf |
true. next day is after waking up |
| 01:07 |
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mtompset |
My thoughts exactly, drojf. :) |
| 01:08 |
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drojf |
does that mean if i don't go to bed i don't have to work? |
| 01:08 |
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mtompset |
Sadly, it's a localized bubble around you. |
| 01:09 |
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drojf |
@later tell edveal bug 10195 -- hope to fix that next week |
| 01:09 |
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huginn` |
drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:10 |
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drojf |
for you too maybe, mtompset. the thing with accessing suppressed biblios directly |
| 01:10 |
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drojf |
i don't think our legal department would like that ;) |
| 01:11 |
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mtompset |
I'm looking at that problem now, which is why I was asking about multiple biblios for what appears to be the same book in multiple branches. |
| 01:11 |
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mtompset |
because I actually started looking at our data. |
| 01:12 |
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mtompset |
We're hiding based on shelving location. |
| 01:12 |
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drojf |
i had a patch but then i had some weird things happening with my git so i'd like to look at it again. it has been working at some point |
| 01:13 |
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| 01:14 |
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drojf |
not really complicated. there already is a redirection to a 404 page if the biblio does not exist. i added a redirection to a "you are nor allowed blabla" page if 942$n == 1. for some cases it may also make sense to redirect to the 404 to pretend there is nothing to find |
| 01:17 |
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drojf |
is that the hideitemsomething mtompset? because i still wonder how that works out. i thought there might be "secret" items of "secret" biblios. if you only hide the items you can still find the biblios and would raise suspicion, or not? |
| 01:18 |
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mtompset |
We don't use 942$n to hide. |
| 01:18 |
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mtompset |
We're hiding using OpacHiddenItems. |
| 01:19 |
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drojf |
exactly. how does that work (assuming it really hides only items and not biblios) |
| 01:19 |
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drojf |
? |
| 01:19 |
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mtompset |
Actually, the function in C4::Items that returns GetHiddenItems (or something like that). |
| 01:20 |
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mtompset |
So, it was pretty easy to attempt a patch to override based on patron category. |
| 01:20 |
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dcook |
Ok...so with the OPAC tag search...we get the marcxml directly from the DB for those tags, strip nonxmlcharacters, and load it into a MARC::Record object...turn that into binary MARC...and send it to searchResults... |
| 01:20 |
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dcook |
searchResults decodes that back into a MARC::Record object... |
| 01:20 |
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mtompset |
Whatever items are returned in that array reference don't get listed. |
| 01:21 |
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mtompset |
Now whether that is a don't get listed, but still passed is another question I haven't looked into. |
| 01:24 |
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drojf |
mtompset: but my point is: if that is item-based… how does it work if you have to hide something like a "forbidden" book? would it not be possible to find the biblio of the book in the opac and then see no items listed for it? and would that not be obvious to an adversary that you must have some item of that book somewhere because otherwise it would not be in the catalogue at all? |
| 01:24 |
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mtompset |
That's the thing I'm planning on cleaning up. |
| 01:25 |
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drojf |
but my guess is that you are wrong at the hiddenitems-thing then |
| 01:25 |
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mtompset |
wrong? What do you mean? |
| 01:25 |
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drojf |
(or it does other things than its name implies) |
| 01:26 |
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mtompset |
OpacHiddenItems is a YAML rule set for deciding whether to hide an item or not. |
| 01:26 |
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mtompset |
I didn't write it. It is already in Koha. |
| 01:26 |
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drojf |
i think that you do not want to act on the item level but in the biblio level if we are talking about media that is in general not acceptable (for whatever reason in whatever context) |
| 01:28 |
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mtompset |
I don't think hiding a biblio display (opac-details) when all the items are hidden is necessarily the wrong thing to do. |
| 01:28 |
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mtompset |
I do see how you might be right about hiding by biblio. |
| 01:29 |
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mtompset |
Though, the problem with hiding by biblio requires a data entry person who remembers to set the hidden MARC field. |
| 01:29 |
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drojf |
aha! so your plan is to generally hide biblios that do not have visible items? |
| 01:29 |
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mtompset |
yes. |
| 01:30 |
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wizzyrea |
mtompset: possibly you could make a hidden framework that marked the value by default |
| 01:30 |
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drojf |
alright. then it makes sense to me now. but i do not think that will be widely accepable as i suppose it will screw up the various acquisitions options (just guessing) |
| 01:31 |
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mtompset |
This is opac display side. |
| 01:31 |
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mtompset |
This is not client side. |
| 01:31 |
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mtj |
dcook, i bumped into a situ some weeks ago, where a glitchy bib was causing the opac search-results to fail, with xslt display |
| 01:32 |
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drojf |
you have different options of showing or not showing items that are being bought but are not available yet in the opac |
| 01:32 |
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dcook |
mtj: I seem to remember that...how did you fix it? |
| 01:32 |
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mtj |
…i ended up just fixing the glitchy bib, and not following up the problem with a solution :/ |
| 01:32 |
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dcook |
While my records are suboptimal, the parser error doesn't make much sense |
| 01:32 |
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dcook |
Dinger :/ |
| 01:33 |
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dcook |
How did you fix it in the end? |
| 01:33 |
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mtompset |
Yes, there are three ways that I know of, drojf. OpacHiddenItems is the simplest. |
| 01:33 |
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mtompset |
There is a 952 field as well, not just the 942 one. |
| 01:34 |
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drojf |
for hiding things? |
| 01:34 |
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mtompset |
Yes. |
| 01:34 |
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drojf |
what is that in 952? |
| 01:34 |
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mtompset |
I don't recall. |
| 01:34 |
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mtompset |
y? |
| 01:34 |
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mtompset |
952\$y? |
| 01:34 |
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drojf |
koha item type? |
| 01:35 |
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mtompset |
See... I don't recall. :P |
| 01:35 |
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mtj |
dcook, i had a hunch that wrapping the XSLTParse4Display() call in an eval() might fix the problem |
| 01:37 |
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mtj |
i have a backup of the glicthy db/bib, so its something i hope to sort a fix for… sometime |
| 01:37 |
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dcook |
mtj: Did your glitchy bib make it through then or was it tossed aside as it didn't make it through the eval? |
| 01:38 |
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mtj |
neither - i just removed the glichy chars from the bib, problem solved :/ |
| 01:38 |
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dcook |
Ah, that's what I meant |
| 01:38 |
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dcook |
What did those chars turn out to be? :p |
| 01:38 |
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dcook |
The parser error is referring to binary marc characters, but I don't see any in my marcxml |
| 01:39 |
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dcook |
I wonder... |
| 01:39 |
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dcook |
No.. |
| 01:39 |
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mtj |
hmm, twas just random 'whitespace' to me |
| 01:39 |
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dcook |
I've read a bit about bad whitespace.. |
| 01:40 |
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dcook |
Whereabouts was it? |
| 01:40 |
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mtj |
...at the end of a 245b, fwiw - a korean bib |
| 01:41 |
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dcook |
Wait a minute... |
| 01:42 |
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mtj |
but really… despite me sorting a quickfix, the bug itself is quite a big deal :/ |
| 01:42 |
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dcook |
But what is the bug? |
| 01:42 |
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wahanui |
somebody said the bug was it stores biblionumber not itemnumber |
| 01:42 |
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dcook |
In my case, I'm thinking it might have to do with whitespace in the leader... |
| 01:43 |
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dcook |
Possibly making a bad binary marc blob |
| 01:43 |
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dcook |
Which mucks things up along the way |
| 01:43 |
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dcook |
As someone pointed out, for the most part, Koha seems happy |
| 01:43 |
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dcook |
But Koha doesn't often use the marc blob.. |
| 01:44 |
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dcook |
I'm probably grasping at straws :p |
| 01:46 |
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mtj |
the bug is… any bib returned in a search-result with a 'problematic' char, causes a fatal error |
| 01:47 |
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drojf |
and what is a problematic char? |
| 01:47 |
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dcook |
Indeed |
| 01:47 |
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dcook |
I think it takes & into account |
| 01:48 |
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dcook |
Or maybe converting & back into & for display..I can't remember |
| 01:48 |
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drojf |
also, are you using icu? |
| 01:48 |
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druthb |
o/ |
| 01:48 |
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drojf |
hi druthb |
| 01:49 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb. |
| 01:49 |
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druthb |
Howdy |
| 01:49 |
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wahanui |
kai ora, druthb |
| 01:49 |
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dcook |
hey, druthb |
| 01:49 |
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druthb |
kia ora, wahanui. |
| 01:49 |
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wahanui |
druthb: what? |
| 01:49 |
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mtj |
drojf, hmm - yes i think icu is on |
| 01:49 |
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druthb |
wahanui: botsnack cookie |
| 01:49 |
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wahanui |
:) |
| 01:49 |
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mtompset |
drojf: I may be confused. OpacSuppression is for Biblio level hiding, and OpacHiddenItems is for Item level hiding. I can't seem to find my third way in the emails I sent back and forth with my colleagues. |
| 01:51 |
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drojf |
mtompset: i thought your third way is hiding the items and when there are no items, hide the biblio too, or was there something else? |
| 01:51 |
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mtj |
drojf, i cant quote any 'problematic' chars ATM, but i do have a bib somewhere that has them… |
| 01:52 |
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mtompset |
No, that's a patch I'm working on for OPAC. |
| 01:52 |
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mtompset |
I shouldn't be able to opac-detail the biblionumber, if all the items are hidden. |
| 01:52 |
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mtj |
ill have to look about a bit, for that bib |
| 01:52 |
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dcook |
mtj: I know I've encountered lots of problematic characters before as well, although I can't recall them either |
| 01:53 |
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dcook |
This xml looks good though...with the one exception being spaces in the leader.. |
| 01:53 |
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* dcook |
tries to remember the binary marc spec.. |
| 01:53 |
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dcook |
Does it calculate the length of the leader dynamically or is that fixed.. |
| 01:53 |
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mtompset |
dcook: why remember it, MARCEdit is your friend. :P |
| 01:53 |
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dcook |
I don't need to know what MARCEdit does though |
| 01:53 |
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mtj |
my thinking is, a patch to just skip that glitchy bib for display, whould be better than a fatal |
| 01:53 |
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dcook |
I need to know what MARC::File and those other modules do |
| 01:54 |
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dcook |
mtj: Mmm, true as |
| 01:54 |
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dcook |
Nothing makes a system look worse than fatal errors... |
| 01:54 |
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mtompset |
Is a 404 a fatal error? ;) |
| 01:54 |
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dcook |
Maybe skip the bib, write to a log, then display |
| 01:54 |
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dcook |
A 404 is either a broken link or bad typing on the user's part |
| 01:55 |
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drojf |
mtj: gaetan_B had a nice one where in only one case the title word order got reversed for a kurdish biblio. some part of zebra seems to be mildly crazy |
| 01:55 |
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dcook |
XSL errors...doesn't look good |
| 01:57 |
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mtj |
anyhoo… ill try to find out more details and log a bug |
| 01:59 |
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drojf |
has anyone been running koha as a tor hidden service? |
| 01:59 |
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drojf |
or more like "tried to" |
| 02:00 |
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jcamins |
drojf: I can't really see the use. |
| 02:00 |
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mtompset |
tor hidden service? |
| 02:00 |
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jcamins |
There are very few library catalogs which are useful in themselves. |
| 02:01 |
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dcook |
I think I might've found my problem... |
| 02:01 |
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drojf |
jcamins: if you use koha strictly as a reference to what you got in your offline library, no. if you use it with links, maybe even embedded documents, why not? |
| 02:01 |
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jcamins |
drojf: well, that's my point... how many catalogs of the latter type are you aware of? |
| 02:03 |
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drojf |
jcamins: nothing relevant comes to mind… but that may change in the ugly times we live in |
| 02:03 |
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* jcamins |
knows of very few that are managed by people who would care about privacy. |
| 02:03 |
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jcamins |
MARC-based catalogs exceptionally poorly suited for research repositories. |
| 02:03 |
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jcamins |
Something like Kete? Sure. |
| 02:03 |
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jcamins |
Omeka? Sure. |
| 02:04 |
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jcamins |
Biblionarrator? Yeah, why not? |
| 02:04 |
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jcamins |
Koha? Ehhh... I wouldn't. |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
i might be inclined to tie them together. |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
an omeka and a koha |
| 02:05 |
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wizzyrea |
or have a federated search of the two |
| 02:05 |
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wizzyrea |
kete would be better for that as it's already zebra |
| 02:05 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: sure, but if you don't have access to the library, the catalog isn't useful, and if you have access to the library, you're not *actually* anonymous. |
| 02:06 |
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wizzyrea |
ah yea true. |
| 02:06 |
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jcamins |
As a general rule, I'd definitely have a Koha catalog and a repository combined. |
| 02:06 |
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jcamins |
I just wouldn't be able to think of a reason to try and deal with tor. |
| 02:07 |
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mtompset |
What do you mean, jcamins? |
| 02:07 |
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drojf |
+1 for koha plus a repository. i still have not decided what to have a real look at |
| 02:07 |
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mtompset |
repository? |
| 02:07 |
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wahanui |
repository is already set up... makes more sense to do the koha-deps koha-perldeps thing. |
| 02:07 |
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wizzyrea |
i rather liked omeka when I was last looking at such thing |
| 02:07 |
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wizzyrea |
things* |
| 02:08 |
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wizzyrea |
greenstone wasn't bad either. |
| 02:08 |
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wizzyrea |
i like kete but it was a pita to set up |
| 02:08 |
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wizzyrea |
ruby-- |
| 02:08 |
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mtompset |
What is a repository compared to the koha catalog? |
| 02:08 |
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drojf |
jcamins: because i can, because i want to promote it in some way. yes, it would be nice if it made real sense in some way. i would actually have a use case for one "library" i know of |
| 02:08 |
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wizzyrea |
it holds digital objects |
| 02:08 |
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wizzyrea |
instead of just the metadata thereof |
| 02:09 |
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mtompset |
oh, so like all the public PDF files that we've 856$u'd? |
| 02:09 |
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wizzyrea |
it holds both the metadata and the actual content/object |
| 02:09 |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
| 02:09 |
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mtompset |
(if that is the right field) |
| 02:10 |
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mtompset |
But doesn't Koha already have all the metadata? |
| 02:10 |
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mtompset |
Isn't a dumb FTP server good enough? |
| 02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
is it? |
| 02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
that's really up to you, right? |
| 02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
MARC is pretty pants to describe digital content items. |
| 02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
dublin core is nicer |
| 02:12 |
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mtompset |
wizzyrea: So what sort of solution for repository have you seen? |
| 02:12 |
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drojf |
depends on the items i guess. if you want to find scans of books i don't see a problem |
| 02:12 |
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mtompset |
Because actually, this is a problem that is on my TODO list. |
| 02:12 |
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wizzyrea |
greenstone, omeka, lots of different proprietary ones whose names slip my mind |
| 02:12 |
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mtompset |
we have all these scan's of documents that we would like accessible. |
| 02:13 |
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wizzyrea |
archivalware (though i probably wouldn't recommend that one they are unfriendly to open source.) |
| 02:13 |
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mtompset |
But I was like: Do we really want a fileserver on the Koha server? |
| 02:13 |
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dcook |
Still reading scrollback |
| 02:13 |
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dcook |
drojf: That's the premise of my Kohacon talk, if I find the time to write it...tying Koha and DSpace together |
| 02:13 |
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drojf |
i forgot which one i looked at. whatever that was, i did not like it |
| 02:14 |
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drojf |
dcook: as in, you have not tried it yet? |
| 02:14 |
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jcamins |
archivesspace is the popular one these days. |
| 02:14 |
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dcook |
That's the one you were mentioning the other day, yes? |
| 02:14 |
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wizzyrea |
and there are people like digitalnz who host *only* the metadata, and rely on outside people to provide the actual content |
| 02:14 |
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wizzyrea |
which is more like what koha does. |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
it might be cool to have a dublin-core type framework. |
| 02:15 |
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mtompset |
Is there a nice way to export MARC records for metadata along with the files into a repository? |
| 02:15 |
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drojf |
i vaguely remember looking at greenstone, so maybe that was what i did not like. |
| 02:15 |
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jcamins |
drojf: probably. I hated Greenstone. |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
i liked it less than omeka |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
drojf: Prosentient provides both Koha and Dspace linked up |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
(but it's been a couple of years |
| 02:15 |
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drojf |
i'm not sure if i knew the name omeka for tonight |
| 02:15 |
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jcamins |
Though Omeka and Greenstone are for very different use spaces. |
| 02:16 |
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drojf |
*before |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
*cases |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
drojf: I also wrote a program that does media harvesting which takes ingested content and puts it into Dspace and Koha |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
But...the linking of DSpace and Koha is something my boss did. I don't know the particulars of how he did it (although I have ideas about how we could do it better) |
| 02:16 |
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drojf |
dcook: ok but then it is not completely experimental ;) |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
Nah, the experiments would just be on improving linking, or personally for me to understand how we do it/should do it |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
It's an interesting idea...since DSpace stores the digital object (or actually stores it on a file system and just stores pointers) |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
And metadata as dublin core |
| 02:17 |
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drojf |
that reminds me of something i'v ebeen meaning to ask… is vufind used outside of germany? (not a repository but a discovery thingy) |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
As wizzyrea was saying: I think DC is way better than MARC for describing digital objects |
| 02:18 |
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jcamins |
drojf: yeah, it was developed by Villanova and is used by Yale and a lot of other places. |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
drojf: I've certainly heard the name, so I assume so |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
Add digital preservation software in there and it gets even more interesting |
| 02:18 |
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drojf |
ok then it is just a weird coincidence that i only hear about it from germany |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
https://www.archivematica.org/ |
| 02:19 |
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drojf |
and the koha driver for it sucks i thingk |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
drojf: Yep |
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drojf |
think |
| 02:19 |
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jcamins |
drojf: there's some big initiative to use it nationally in Germany, I think. |
| 02:19 |
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drojf |
or, is pretty outdated and has little functionality |
| 02:20 |
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wizzyrea |
dspace is BSD License - not terrible |
| 02:21 |
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jcamins |
I was more impressed with Fedora than DSpace. |
| 02:21 |
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wizzyrea |
i haven't looked seriously at either dspace or fedora |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
jcamins: I've heard that Fedora is more impressive |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
But possibly more difficult to set up? |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: Me either. I just do templates and some java-level changes to DSpace for accessibility purposes |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
The JSPUI is...a bit gross |
| 02:22 |
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wizzyrea |
"gross" |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
Outdated and badly designed HTML |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
No classes...no IDs... |
| 02:23 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, definitely way harder to set up. It doesn't have a built-in interface. |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
Lots of deprecated tags.. |
| 02:23 |
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jcamins |
Islandora provides an integrated interface, I think. |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
If I had more time, I would set up a DSpace git and send developments back, but their community is oddly set up too |
| 02:23 |
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mtompset |
JSP? |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
Mmm, I forgot about Islandora |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
mtompset: Yep |
| 02:23 |
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mtompset |
What is JSP? |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
Java Server Pages, I think |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
Or something like that |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
Templates for Java |
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* mtompset |
cringes. |
| 02:24 |
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drojf |
you lost me at "java" :P |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
jcamins: Is Islandora originally from Prince Edward Island, or do they just do a lot of work on it there? |
| 02:24 |
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jcamins |
dcook: I'm not sure. |
| 02:24 |
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mtompset |
drojf++ # and you had me at hello. :) |
| 02:24 |
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jcamins |
There's a company behind it. |
| 02:25 |
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wizzyrea |
university of prince edward island. |
| 02:25 |
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wizzyrea |
wonder how big that is. |
| 02:25 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 02:25 |
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wizzyrea |
PEI is pretty small. |
| 02:25 |
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wizzyrea |
you can drive around it in a day. |
| 02:25 |
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mtompset |
or less. :P |
| 02:26 |
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wizzyrea |
ohh islandora lives on drupal |
| 02:29 |
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drojf |
so, should i buy an nfc reader just for fun? i'm beginning to feel intrigued by the "koha self-checkout machine" thing even though i really have no time to work on it |
| 02:29 |
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dcook |
drojf: koha self-checkout machine? |
| 02:29 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: Lives on drupal? |
| 02:30 |
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dcook |
I've known a few people who've worked at the U of PEI, hence the question ;) |
| 02:33 |
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drojf |
dcook: i've been thinking about building one. or rather find out if it will work |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
drojf: I'm not sure that I follow... |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
You mean like a kiosk? |
| 02:37 |
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wizzyrea |
drupal, the CMS eh? |
| 02:37 |
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drojf |
not sure what you mean by a kiosk :D (a kiosk is a place where you can buy alcohol, tobacco and other stuff late at night around here) |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: You mean the Islandora site lives on Drupal? |
| 02:38 |
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jcamins |
dcook: no, Islandora is actually built on Drupal. |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
Interesting... |
| 02:38 |
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wahanui |
i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:38 |
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drojf |
apparently 'selfcheck' is a registered trademark of 3M. ot sure if i wanted to learn that. |
| 02:38 |
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jcamins |
It's like a Drupal plugin for displaying Fedora repositories. |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
jcamins: I don't know what I would do without you sometimes |
| 02:39 |
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dcook |
drojf: I like the definition of kiosk there ;) |
| 02:39 |
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jcamins |
drojf: I've heard that usage of kiosk, but I never realized that it was common. |
| 02:39 |
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dcook |
I meant a desk/stand/counter |
| 02:39 |
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dcook |
Possible with a built-in barcode scanner |
| 02:39 |
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dcook |
Possibly* |
| 02:41 |
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drojf |
jcamins: it is in northern germany i think. at least it is in hannover (where i come from). i berlin it is usually referred to as 'spätkauf' (literally 'latebuy') or the short form 'späti' (like a diminutive) |
| 02:42 |
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drojf |
dcook: kind of. a selfcheck machine with RFID probably, instead of a barcode scanner |
| 02:44 |
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drojf |
that is going to be a fun day |
| 02:47 |
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dcook |
Sounds worthwhile |
| 02:47 |
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dcook |
I've been wanting to get some practical RFID experience |
| 02:47 |
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dcook |
All my knowledge at the moment is only theoretical... |
| 02:47 |
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drojf |
when the monitor switches from night light to daylight you know you have been up way too long |
| 02:47 |
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dcook |
Yes! |
| 02:47 |
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dcook |
Why are you awake? |
| 02:48 |
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drojf |
i don't know. but i am really awake awake :/ |
| 02:48 |
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dcook |
Yata! |
| 02:48 |
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dcook |
mtj: 'twas a whitespace issue |
| 02:49 |
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drojf |
and yes, i got to the idea that way. i have nothing to do with rfid so far. but i'd like to play with it and get an idea of how it works and what funny things i could do with it |
| 02:49 |
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dcook |
Extra spaces after the 23rd Leader position. As I mentioned...those spaces shouldn't have been there...but I figured that only the first 23 positions would've been taken into account by the Perl modules...silly me |
| 02:49 |
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drojf |
if i learn some sip by accident that is ok too, but i'll try to avoid it ;) |
| 02:50 |
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dcook |
drojf: I'm sure there are many applications :) |
| 02:50 |
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dcook |
Mmm, sip is another one I need to look at |
| 02:50 |
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dcook |
I think that's how some folks are doing RFID with Koha? |
| 02:51 |
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drojf |
i suppose that is how all folks are doing selfcheck machine things |
| 02:51 |
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drojf |
not sure in what ways you could use koha with rfid |
| 02:56 |
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dcook |
Not too sure myself. Alas, if only there were more of me or more time... |
| 02:56 |
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dcook |
Then I would know all the things |
| 02:58 |
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drojf |
heh |
| 02:59 |
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dcook |
Mmm, hunger really is the best spice |
| 02:59 |
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jcamins |
What's for lunch? |
| 03:00 |
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dcook |
Just regular ol' peanut butter sandwiches |
| 03:00 |
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dcook |
On some tasty multigrain bread though |
| 03:00 |
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dcook |
Om nom nom |
| 03:00 |
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jcamins |
With jelly, or *just* peanut butter? |
| 03:00 |
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dcook |
*Just* |
| 03:00 |
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dcook |
I like jam but not with my PB |
| 03:01 |
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dcook |
At least, that was the case 20 years ago |
| 03:01 |
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dcook |
The more things change, the more they stay the same? |
| 03:01 |
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* jcamins |
doesn't like peanut butter or jam on bread. |
| 03:01 |
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* dcook |
is sure he can think of more clichés |
| 03:01 |
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dcook |
You're also a far better cook than I am ;) |
| 03:02 |
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dcook |
What's your fallback meal? |
| 03:03 |
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dcook |
All this talk of peanut butter, jam, and bread really has me craving pesto though... |
| 03:03 |
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jcamins |
When it's cool, flatbread or pizza. |
| 03:03 |
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dcook |
Alas, our basil plants are dying after taking a pounding from the rain. The potatos are growing like champs though. |
| 03:04 |
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dcook |
Mmm, pizza |
| 03:04 |
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dcook |
Flatbread? |
| 03:04 |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
| 03:04 |
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jcamins |
That's what you call pizza when it doesn't look like regular pizza. |
| 03:05 |
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dcook |
Depends on your definitions of flatbread and pizza, I suppose |
| 03:06 |
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dcook |
Although now I'm craving my partner's vegan pizza |
| 03:06 |
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dcook |
Soy cheese is also surprisingly good on pizza |
| 03:06 |
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dcook |
Must be all the salt.. |
| 03:06 |
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jcamins |
Well, is your pizza made with cashews, rosemary, and only a soupçon of cheese, but no sauce? |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
No, but that sounds delicious |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
My favourite pizza in town is potato and rosemary with soy cheese...mmm |
| 03:12 |
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dcook |
Actually, I had it the other day with actual cheese rather than soy cheese, but my body didn't seem to like that too much |
| 03:13 |
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dcook |
@wunder forest hills, new york |
| 03:13 |
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huginn` |
dcook: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 25.5°C (11:02 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
25 at 11pm? |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
I see what you mean about "when it's cool" |
| 03:24 |
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mtompset |
oregano goes well with a meat lovers pizza. ;) |
| 03:25 |
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mtompset |
And the diet I'm on... someone actually made a cauliflower-based pizza. |
| 03:25 |
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mtompset |
I so wish to try doing that sometime. |
| 03:25 |
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mtompset |
@wunder l7e5y5 |
| 03:25 |
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huginn` |
mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson, Ontario is 18.0°C (11:00 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:26 |
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dcook |
Mmm cauliflower |
| 03:26 |
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dcook |
mtompset: You're in/around Toronto these days? |
| 03:26 |
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mtompset |
Yes, I'm in Canada. |
| 03:26 |
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mtompset |
Been here since November last year. |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
I knew that part, but I didn't realize that you were in/around Toronto :p |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
I seem to remember Paul A living...somewhere in Ontario...that started with a P? |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
Being a westerner, I don't know much of your strange province ;) |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
Been to Sudbury and been to Toronto. That's about it for my Ontarian experience |
| 03:32 |
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mtompset |
You mean the paul who doesn't listen to advice? ;) |
| 03:35 |
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mtompset |
dcook: That's okay. Everyone has their own geographic challenges. |
| 03:37 |
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mtompset |
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538[…]geography-mistake (like Alaska is an island ;) ) |
| 03:37 |
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dcook |
I meant the Paul that lives in Ontario |
| 03:38 |
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dcook |
Wow.. |
| 03:38 |
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dcook |
Ooohhh. |
| 03:38 |
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dcook |
Now that I think about it...lots of US maps do show Alaska as an island, I think |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
Off on the pacific side |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
Just so that all the states are in the same box on the map |
| 03:39 |
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mtompset |
I know, but still. You would think people would remember Canada. |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
I went to school with people who didn't know milk came from cows |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
Even though there were cows on the label |
| 03:39 |
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ibeardslee |
?!?!? |
| 03:39 |
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mtompset |
Well, it could come from goats, etc. :P |
| 03:40 |
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dcook |
It could... |
| 03:40 |
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dcook |
But the question was "why are there cows on the label?" |
| 03:40 |
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dcook |
I do remember seeing a goat being milked in kindergarten... |
| 03:40 |
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dcook |
Advantages of country schools I suppose |
| 03:40 |
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mtompset |
I remember a kid bringing a lamb to school and having it poo pellets over the floor. ;) |
| 03:41 |
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dcook |
Touché |
| 03:41 |
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mtompset |
No, his name wasn't mary. :P |
| 03:42 |
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mtompset |
Well, just coded up a patch for another thing. I really need to get to submitting some of these. |
| 03:42 |
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mtompset |
perhaps that result count is wrong problem. |
| 03:42 |
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dcook |
Submitting is probably a good idea |
| 03:42 |
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mtompset |
that might be next. |
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mtompset |
Well, have a good day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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cait |
good morning |
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dcook |
hey ya cait :) |
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cait |
hi dcook :) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
que tal, reiveune |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
salut, gaetan_B |
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rhythem |
anyone there? |
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rhythem |
need some urgent help |
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sophie_m |
hi rhythem, what kind of help ? |
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rhythem |
i need some installation help in kohaa |
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rhythem |
koha* |
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sophie_m |
if you want some help you should tell us more about your probem |
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rhythem |
ok i installed koha on my localhost machine (UBUNTU 12.10) , but i am not able to procede any further after the make install command as in i dont have any clue of what to do next |
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rhythem |
install documentation does not seem to help me |
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sophie_m |
Which version of koha, what kind of installation ? |
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dcook |
I'm just about to head off, but rhythem, you might find the following useful: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
Packages are 100x easier than compiling from source/using the tarball |
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rhythem |
koha version 3.00.00 , i am sorry but what do mean by kind of installation? |
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sophie_m |
git, package, tarball... |
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rhythem |
i used tarball |
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sophie_m |
and the last stable version of koha is 3.12.00 |
| 07:09 |
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sophie_m |
3.00.00 is not supported any more |
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rhythem |
i think i installed it correctly as "make test" did not give any errors, also i have all the pre requesits installed |
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rhythem |
cant i install koha on localhost with preinstalled lampp server?? |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
rhythem: I've only package and git installs (the latter a while ago), but it sounds like maybe your next step is to run the web installer |
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dcook |
You do that by visiting the intranet page designated in your Apache config |
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rhythem |
dcook: please can you explain how can i do that? |
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dcook |
Having not done a tarball like install for a while...I'm not sure that's even the point that you're at |
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dcook |
Did you answer lots of prompts after make install? |
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rhythem |
yes i did answer a lot of prompts |
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dcook |
You're using the instructions at: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_ubuntu_-_tarball |
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dcook |
? |
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rhythem |
yes dcook i used these instructions |
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dcook |
So where are you up to? |
| 07:16 |
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rhythem |
Koha's files have now been installed. In order to use Koha's command-line batch jobs, you should set the following environment variables: export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib For other post-installation tasks, please consult the README. You have new mail in /var/mail/root |
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rhythem |
i rant the commands just above pre web install |
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rangi |
do not install 3.00.00 |
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rangi |
serioulsy |
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rangi |
stop, and start with something from this decade |
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rangi |
3.0.0 was released in 2008 |
| 07:19 |
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rangi |
i don't know where you would even have found it to download :) |
| 07:19 |
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rangi |
please let us know so we can move it |
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rhythem |
i just checked it is not 3.0.0 it is 3.12.0 |
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dcook |
In that case, I would keep following those install steps, rhythem. |
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rangi |
3.12.1 is the latest release, but at 3.12.0 should be ok |
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rhythem |
dcook i'll do that |
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rhythem |
i am getting an error |
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rhythem |
apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
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rhythem |
i got this on apache2 restart |
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dcook |
Mmm, I think that might be more of a warning than an error |
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dcook |
I think I've got that as well when running it on localhost |
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rhythem |
oh ok.. i'll continue with the steps then |
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dcook |
Anyway, I have to run |
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dcook |
Good luck, rhythem |
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rhythem |
thanks dcook |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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rhythem |
i am getting an error |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, rhythem. |
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rhythem |
ln: failed to create symbolic link `/etc/apache2/sites-available/koha': File exists |
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rhythem |
can anyone explain this to me? |
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rhythem |
wahanui i didn't get you?? |
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wahanui |
wish i knew, rhythem |
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rhythem |
sophi_m can you help with this error |
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rhythem |
sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha |
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rhythem |
ln: failed to create symbolic link `/etc/apache2/sites-available/koha': File exists |
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kf |
packages? |
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wahanui |
packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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rhythem |
kf? |
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wahanui |
i guess kf is very interested in accessibility |
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rhythem |
i stilll cannot launch web setup |
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rhythem |
127.0.1.1:8080 |
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rhythem |
gives unable to connect error in firefox :/ |
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kf |
hm? |
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kf |
hm have you activated port 8080 in apace? |
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kf |
does it listen on 8080? |
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rhythem |
yea i did that |
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rhythem |
i has Listen 80 and Listen 8080 |
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rhythem |
both |
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rhythem |
could it be because i have xampp already installed on my pc? |
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rhythem |
netstat -nlp | grep httpd command did not show apache listening to 8080 :/ |
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rhythem |
although i changed it in httpd-conf |
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tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 22923/httpd tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 22923/httpd unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 141783 31468/httpd /opt/lampp/logs/cgisock.31439 |
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rhythem |
i am trying a git install and i got this |
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rhythem |
Cloning into 'kohaclone'... fatal: unable to connect to git.koha-community.org: git.koha-community.org[0: 174.143.233.17]: errno=Connection refused |
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rhythem |
seems like i am having a bad day :L( |
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kf |
hm sorry, i can install koha, but system administration is not my strong area |
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kf |
are you trying to install koha in windows? |
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kf |
ah, there is also a xampp for linux... |
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wahanui |
okay, kf. |
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kf |
forget xampp for linux |
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kf |
forget xampp |
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kf |
forget a xampp for linux |
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kf |
hm. |
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kf |
ok, never mind wahanui. |
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rhythem |
what to do then???? please help |
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kf |
i am trying to |
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kf |
so what are you trying to do? |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
you want to do a git install |
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kf |
in which OS? |
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rhythem |
ubuntu 12.10 |
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rhythem |
i just want to run web setup somehow |
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kf |
ok, that's good |
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rhythem |
what should i do? |
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kf |
have you followed a manual so far? |
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rhythem |
i guess yes i did manual |
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rhythem |
lemme give its link |
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rhythem |
just a second |
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rhythem |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_ubuntu_-_tarball |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
that's instructions for tarball |
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rhythem |
yeah |
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rhythem |
i did everithing and i just cannot proced to the step of web install |
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kf |
you said you wanted to do a git install |
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kf |
what's the goal of your installation? |
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kf |
do you want to to development? or just do some testing of koha? |
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rhythem |
i have to perform basic modification in koha files and that is purely for my personal use not like i am putting it somewhere i just want to test koha on my PC |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
so did you do a git clone at some point? |
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kf |
still trying to figure out what you did so far |
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rhythem |
i did a git clone and got a connection refused error so i did a tarball instead |
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rhythem |
should i remove lampp from my pc? |
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rhythem |
i dont know how but the websetup started |
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rhythem |
but i got Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 646. now |
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kf |
ah |
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kf |
that's a clue |
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kf |
koha can't connect to your database |
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kf |
you probably told it something wrong when running the Makefile process |
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kf |
did you create a database in mysql? |
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rhythem |
i just di |
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rhythem |
did |
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rhythem |
named koha |
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rhythem |
username kohaadmin'@'localhost |
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rhythem |
but still the same error |
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rhythem |
how to check what i told the makefile? |
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kf |
have you granted the rights to that database to the kohaadmin user? |
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kf |
see here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_Grant_Privileges |
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rhythem |
yea i granted all privledged |
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kf |
depending on what kind of installation you did from tarball |
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kf |
dev or standard |
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kf |
the conf file will be in different places |
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kf |
if it's dev it might be in /home/koha-dev/... |
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rhythem |
i did a standard installation |
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kf |
hm not sure about the path then |
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kf |
but if you did a standard, you are not doing a git installation |
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kf |
those are not compatible |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
hey, eythian |
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eythian |
in case membership at your library is flagging, hows how you get them back: http://cheezburger.com/7562739200 |
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eythian |
*here's |
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rhythem |
someone there? |
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eythian |
rhythem: probably |
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rhythem |
eythian i am having a problem |
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rhythem |
i ran koha and was able to start it |
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rhythem |
now i am in koha logged in properly |
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rhythem |
my problem is |
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rhythem |
i have to stop lampp server to view koha installation files on browser and to view phpmyadmin i have to start lampp and inturn this stops me from viewing koha' |
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eythian |
what do you mean by stopping/starting lampp? |
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eythian |
it might be that it's running its own web server on port 80, and that will conflict with apache. |
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rhythem |
see |
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rhythem |
to view koha i have to use url 127.0.1.1:8080 |
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rhythem |
now when i start lampp |
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rhythem |
this url takes me to localhost directory which is not my koha installation directly |
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eythian |
oh, in that case you'll have to move one of them to another port. |
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rhythem |
how would i do that?? |
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eythian |
you'll have to configure them. I don't know where lampp has its configuration, but apache's is in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled on a Debian or Ubuntu server. |
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rhythem |
basically i want to be able to view multiple websites along with koha on my system |
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rhythem |
isn't it possible that i write something like localhost/koha and it takes me to koha directory??? |
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eythian |
It is quite possible, but you're going to have to configure apache to let that happen. |
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rhythem |
could you please help me with this? |
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eythian |
Not really, I don't know anything about your setup. However, I'd start here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ |
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eythian |
apache is quite well documented. |
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eythian |
wahanui: apache documentation |
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wahanui |
eythian: huh? |
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eythian |
wahanui: apache documentation is at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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jcamins |
rhythem: Koha will not work installed in a subdirectory. Your best bet is definitely to change the port for something. |
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eythian |
ah yes, I missed that. jcamins is quite right. |
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rhythem |
what do you mean by port for something ??? i am a but amature at this so please explain if you dont mind |
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jcamins |
rhythem: here's an introduction to Apache that might help: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutori[…]uction-to-apache/ |
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jcamins |
I haven't read it, but if you're new to web servers, an introduction seems to me like a good start. |
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jcamins |
A capsule summary would be that the web server can show you different sites on different ports (like 80 and 8080 for the OPAC and staff client), but only one thing per port. |
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rhythem |
yea i know that basic stuff i dont know how to change this port thing and ol |
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jcamins |
Ah. In that case eythian's link should walk you through it. |
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eythian |
The first link in the User's Guide is "Binding to Addresses and Ports", that's a likely place to start. |
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rhythem |
okk let me just go through it once |
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rhythem |
going by the link i tried to change my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default file to this http://pastebin.com/ArwAKM6y |
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rhythem |
but this doesnt seem to work for me |
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eythian |
you probably don't want to change the default, you want to be changing the file that controls koha. |
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rhythem |
i dint get you ? |
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eythian |
you changed 000-default, however that isn't the file that manages the apache settings for koha. |
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eythian |
You need to modify the file that does. It's possibly called 'koha' or something like that, depending on how you've installed it. |
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rhythem |
no i dont want to mess with koha setting i just want my server to be able to point to koha and some other websites that i created in /opt/lampp/htdocs which happened to be the default localhost directory for lampp |
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rhythem |
finay i did all |
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eythian |
well the change you made will have put them on different ports. |
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rhythem |
i was not listening to port 4080 in apache's ports.conf |
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rhythem |
thanks everybody :) |
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eythian |
ah cool |
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rhythem |
ahh new error "D |
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rhythem |
:D |
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rhythem |
i had phpmyadmin istalled in lampp |
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rhythem |
and i used to access it via localhost/phpmyadmin |
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rhythem |
now i trued http://127.0.1.1:4080/phomyadmin |
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rhythem |
http://127.0.1.1:4080/phpmyadmin* but it gave a 404 error |
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eythian |
it's possible it's still on :8080, but I really don't know how your system is set up. |
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rhythem |
8080 is koha, /opt/lampp/htdocs is 4080 |
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eythian |
there's more to it than that, e.g. I don't know anything about how your system is configured to access phpmyadmin. |
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rhythem |
what details do you need i'll give u |
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eythian |
you should find the phpmyadmin configuration and make sure it contains what you need it to. |
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rhythem |
wait a sec |
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eythian |
I haven't used it in forever so I don't know how it's set up. |
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eythian |
(and I have other work to be doing right now.) |
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rhythem |
ahh ok i'll work it around a bit then |
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rhythem |
thanks anyway for all the help :) |
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eythian |
np. I'm sure it'll be pretty straightforward once you see however it's set up. |
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rhythem |
yeah i hope :) |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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* oleonard |
laughs at pianohacker's comment in yesterday's IRC log "oh god acquisitions nvm" |
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oleonard |
khall around? |
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khall |
yo |
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oleonard |
How do you remove an individual reserve from a course? |
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khall |
In the course details, you'll see a list of items on reserve for that course, there is a remove link for each item. |
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oleonard |
Oh I see my problem. I randomly added an item which turned out to be lost, so the remove link is replaced with "item lost" |
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khall |
that'll do it! |
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oleonard |
Sorry khall I get the same results as jcamins on Bug 10382 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10382 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , collection not returning to null when removed from course reserves |
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khall |
I'll have to give it another run-though to see what I get |
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oleonard |
Hi maximep |
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oleonard |
khall, you coming to Reno? |
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khall |
that's the plan! |
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oleonard |
Cool, it'll be nice to finally meet you in person |
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maximep |
good morning =) |
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maximep |
you know you typed too much on your cellphone when you expect tab to autocomplete your words |
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eythian |
tab does autocomplete. |
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eythian |
at least on the command line, and why would you be anywhere else? |
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maximep |
not regular words :p |
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tcohen |
don't u use swype maximep? |
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maximep |
swiftkey |
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maximep |
works better when I type in half french/english than swype |
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tcohen |
interesting maximep |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10560: add regression test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]63d8449823f5cab4b> / Bug 10560: make it possible for default interface language to not be English <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a6eb59b6174cf5fa> |
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reiveune |
bye |
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kf |
khall: around? |
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khall |
kf: I've gotta run, but I'll be back shortly |
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kf |
just wondering if you could take alook at my comment on bug 10490 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded) |
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kf |
my goal is to don't have people lose data. |
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kf |
which will happen - this database update messes up data |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8a8df87488ab3aeb6> |
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khall |
kf, that makes sense now. i don't know why I didn't realize that earlier. Passing though that update will badly round the numbers. |
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khall |
I can pass qa on that now, thanks for the clarity ; ) |
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kf |
oh good heh |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
have a nice weekend! |
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khall |
you too! |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1305 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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oleonard |
Why don't the INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04 instructions say to use dpkg like the debian instructions do? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: because dpkg is broken under Ubuntu. |
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oleonard |
How so? I thought I used it in previous installations. |
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pianohacker |
wait what? |
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wahanui |
is Godot coming? |
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jcamins |
It tries to install i386 packages on amd64, resulting in things failing spectacularly. |
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jcamins |
Apparently. |
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pianohacker |
well, that's rather spectacularly unintelligent |
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jcamins |
Yeah. I never looked into the issue, but I understand that Ubuntu (and maybe Wheezy now?) default to allowing you to run i386 code on amd64 systems (logical), but dpkg is not (and possibly will not?) able to handle that. |
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pianohacker |
interesting. Does it install everything, even bare .dpkgs, through apt or what? |
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kf |
bye all and have a nice weekend :) |
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jcamins |
Nah, dpkg installs individual packages, it just can't install dependencies. |
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eythian |
jcamins: I think it works fine |
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jcamins |
eythian: cool. Guess the Ubuntu instructions could be updated. |
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eythian |
there are/were issues with apt and multiarch resolution, but I haven't heard about them in a while. |
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eythian |
Should set up a test vm and try it to be sure. |
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rambutan |
loris? |
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rambutan |
wahanui: loris? |
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wahanui |
rambutan: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1305: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1305/ |
| 16:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Robin Sheat: Bug 10560: make it possible for default interface language to not be English |
| 16:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 10560: add regression test |
| 16:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css |
| 16:29 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , No way to disable english |
| 16:29 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css |
| 16:35 |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
| 17:12 |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: r u ok with the followup for bug 9735? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Choose language using URL parameters in any page |
| 17:14 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: in principle; would have to test it |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: thanks, i want to drop it from my TODO list |
| 17:31 |
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oleonard |
Dangit, zebra permissions *always* trip me up on a new dev install. |
| 17:41 |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: After several git installs, I did my most recent one by hand, without Makefile.PL. Editing the conf files was a bit tedious, but the rest of it was actually easier |
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jcamins |
Huh. I haven't had any problems with git installs recently. |
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oleonard |
I'm probably following the install instructions too closely, not stopping when I should be saying "Whoa, that sounds dumb, I'm not going to do that!" |
| 18:31 |
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pianohacker |
live a little, oleonard, install Koha like a cowboy! |
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oleonard |
Yeah, a cowboy! I'm going to go find a Koha someone already installed and rustle it. |
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pianohacker |
boy, there's only room for one sysadmin in this town |
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drojf |
good evening #koha |
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* oleonard |
uh... menaces pianohacker with another cowboy-related metaphor |
| 18:35 |
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pianohacker |
"Now, in all that excitement, I lost track of whether my Zebra reindex failed 5 times or 6" |
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oleonard |
Sorry bub, that's not a western! |
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rambutan |
hi drojf |
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pianohacker |
hahahaha well |
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pianohacker |
It's clint eastwood, he was in westerns, it works kinda :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 19:55 |
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mtompset |
"Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes." might be a better topic. :) |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. The next general meeting is 7 August 2013 at 02:00 UTC. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes |
| 20:02 |
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mtompset |
Thanks, gmcharlt. :) |
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cait |
:) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait gmcharlt. :) |
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cait |
hi mtompset and gmcharlt |
| 20:17 |
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gmcharlt |
howdy |
| 20:20 |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: recievedlist in subscriptionhistory rather than receivedlist :( |
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* gmcharlt |
winces |
| 20:20 |
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pianohacker |
why do they do these things to us? |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10490: DBrev 3.13.00.012 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e6fb8380379bac7b8> / Bug 10490: Overdue fines cap can't store decimal values <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8f3c7b7cd386e6d92> |
| 20:21 |
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pianohacker |
they should wthdraw their spelling mistakes or recieve a good beating, I'd say |
| 20:21 |
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gmcharlt |
don't you mean beeting? |
| 20:21 |
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* gmcharlt |
laces up running shoes |
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pianohacker |
hehe |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
my patch made it in! yay! |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
:) |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
makes me happy every single time it happens heh :) |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
pianohacker: there is file named receivesomething, are we talking about that one? |
| 20:26 |
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pianohacker |
nope, column in subscription history |
| 20:27 |
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pianohacker |
been helping a coworker with serials migrations lately |
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cait |
looks like you are really busy :) |
| 20:27 |
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cait |
i will see if i can find the one i was thinking about |
| 20:28 |
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cait |
and i meant recieve of course... there are more typos with that one |
| 20:28 |
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cait |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]st=grep&s=recieve |
| 20:28 |
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cait |
intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serials-recieve.tt:86 |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10529: Remove hardcoded dollar from patron message <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eaee406b569199c1f> / Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f8ecdbcea3bddb3b5> |
| 20:31 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1306 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:32 |
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mtompset |
cait: Congratulations on the love you feel triggered by a patch making it in. :) |
| 20:33 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 20:33 |
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mtompset |
You said happy. |
| 20:33 |
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mtompset |
For me, it's the community expressing love. :) |
| 20:34 |
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cait |
not sure i get you - but i was serious, it's something special always that i can fix things and make it work better. even if it might be a bit silly :) |
| 20:35 |
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mtompset |
Just chalk this up to a communication failure and that I understand what you mean, but can't express it. ;) |
| 20:37 |
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cait |
heh, i might be in a weird mood too - i feel like I am finally not totally overtired for the first time this week |
| 20:37 |
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mtompset |
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if someone started a new bug related to bug 2318? |
| 20:37 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error |
| 20:37 |
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cait |
hm that sounds like we fixed it in the opac a whlie ago |
| 20:38 |
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mtompset |
because OPAC still does the 404 thing. |
| 20:38 |
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cait |
what's prompting your question? |
| 20:38 |
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cait |
hm, or we fixed it in staff... i know it was only one or the other |
| 20:38 |
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mtompset |
I think tcohen fixed it in staff. |
| 20:38 |
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mtompset |
http://192.168.45.201/cgi-bin/[…]blionumber=999999 |
| 20:39 |
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mtompset |
for example, still pull up a koha 404 page inside of the nice OPAC theme. :) |
| 20:39 |
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mtompset |
^pull^pulls^ |
| 20:40 |
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mtompset |
As for what is prompting my question, I am working on a patch to hide the bibilo detail, if all the items are OpacHiddenItems'd. |
| 20:41 |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
that should already work that way |
| 20:41 |
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cait |
actually |
| 20:41 |
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mtompset |
Nope it doesn't. |
| 20:41 |
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cait |
well it did when i tested it |
| 20:41 |
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cait |
but there is a bug in that you can stll access the page directly |
| 20:41 |
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mtompset |
if you know the biblionumber, you can pull up the detail screen. |
| 20:41 |
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cait |
which i filed and drojf was working on |
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mtompset |
where is that? |
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wahanui |
i guess that is a good idea. |
| 20:41 |
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cait |
it will hide it from the result lists |
| 20:42 |
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mtompset |
it is already hidden in the results list. |
| 20:42 |
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cait |
@query opachiddenitems |
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huginn` |
cait: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7386 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label batches cannot be batch deleted |
| 20:42 |
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huginn` |
cait: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6705 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , hide withdrawn items |
| 20:42 |
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huginn` |
cait: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9966 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incorrect 404 when a search returns one result hidden by OpacHiddenItems |
| 20:42 |
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huginn` |
cait: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove hidelostitems syspref |
| 20:42 |
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huginn` |
cait: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9607 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , pagination wrong if OPACShowUnusedAuthorities set to "don't show" |
| 20:42 |
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cait |
let me find it |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
i was thinking bug 10195 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed |
| 20:43 |
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cait |
but you are right, it's also true for opachiddenitems |
| 20:43 |
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mtompset |
Ah, okay... not quite overlap then. ;) |
| 20:44 |
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mtompset |
But he will have the same kind of what to do other than 404 question. |
| 20:45 |
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cait |
i think drojf had a nice idea aboutthat |
| 20:45 |
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cait |
showing a message and also have a customizable area to add your own text with a syspref |
| 20:46 |
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mtompset |
so it sounds like one of us will have to rebase our patch, depending on who is pushed first. |
| 20:50 |
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cait |
yeah |
| 20:51 |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10475 - Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3d12ec25e0e8e23a0> |
| 20:54 |
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mtompset |
coding guidelines |
| 20:54 |
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wahanui |
coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 20:55 |
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mtompset |
Any suggestions as to whether or not one should "# this will blah" comment code in our patches? |
| 20:56 |
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pianohacker |
comments are good, no need to go crazy, but they're almost always helpful |
| 20:56 |
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cait |
^^ |
| 21:01 |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10507: improve warning about duplicate patron attribute value <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5f127940072e54d4d> |
| 21:01 |
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gmcharlt |
but note that comments are best when they explain the *intent* of the code |
| 21:01 |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., please don't do this |
| 21:01 |
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gmcharlt |
$i++; # increment $i by one |
| 21:02 |
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mtompset |
No, I meant commenting for a block of code. |
| 21:02 |
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mtompset |
That example, is just plain overkill and stupid. |
| 21:04 |
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pianohacker |
mtompset: use your best judgment, for example, the "will I wonder what idiot wrote this when I come back in a year" test |
| 21:05 |
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cait |
heh |
| 21:05 |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: but even for comments that describe a block, there's a fine line with comments that end up providing no more information than what reading the code does |
| 21:06 |
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gmcharlt |
hence ... intent, which is something that often can't be deduced |
| 21:06 |
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pianohacker |
yes |
| 21:08 |
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mtompset |
is int(undef) obviously 0? |
| 21:10 |
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Dyrcona |
pianohacker: When I run git blame to see what idiot wrote this, I most often my name on the line(s) in question. :) |
| 21:10 |
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mtompset |
And that's the worst kind of problem to have, Dyrcona. :) |
| 21:11 |
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gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: which is why the population of programmes will suffer an immediate decline if anybody invents a time machine |
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gmcharlt |
(to say nothing of the rise in temporal paradoces) |
| 21:11 |
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Dyrcona |
heh |
| 21:12 |
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mtompset |
decline? Wouldn't that cause an increase? Because the code would be fixed before it was broken. |
| 21:12 |
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gmcharlt |
depends if the default reaction is to shoot first ;) |
| 21:13 |
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pastebot |
"gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "mtompset - to answer your question, yes, but not in a useful fashion" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/112 |
| 21:14 |
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mtompset |
So, I should || 0 to kill the silent warning while I'm at it. ;) |
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mtompset |
where is the qa tools repo again? |
| 21:18 |
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mtompset |
found it. |
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druthb |
o/ |
| 21:25 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb. |
| 21:26 |
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druthb |
Hi, mtompset! :) |
| 21:26 |
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cait |
hi druthb |
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* druthb |
wriggles happily |
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* mtompset |
throws skittles at druthb in a pre-emptive strike since druthb threatened to throw some more often at him. ;) |
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druthb |
:) |
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rambutan |
>diff wriggles wiggles |
| 21:32 |
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mtompset |
which is more intuitive $array[$#array] or $array[-1], in your opinion? |
| 21:33 |
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cait |
not using arrays? :P |
| 21:33 |
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* cait |
has a difficult relationship with arrays |
| 21:33 |
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* mtompset |
chuckles, "Nice answer, cait." |
| 21:33 |
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cait |
especially in java. |
| 21:34 |
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mtompset |
Then I don't suggest you try thinking about arrays in bash. ;) |
| 21:34 |
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cait |
mtompset: about the skittles - you will only provide her with more ammunition |
| 21:34 |
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druthb |
rambutan: wiggling is what a kid does when they are bored. Wriggling is what a happy puppy does! |
| 21:35 |
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rambutan |
ic. well, sorta. sorta not, but that's OK |
| 21:35 |
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mtompset |
cait, it's virtual, so I think druthb perceives it more as a since of friendship rather than a way to hoard ammunition to have massive payback. :P |
| 21:35 |
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mtompset |
^since^sign^ |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
we will see when you are covered in skittles :) |
| 21:36 |
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druthb |
:P |
| 21:36 |
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drojf |
relationship with a ray? … was it mj? |
| 21:36 |
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* drojf |
puts 5€ in the reallybadpun-jar |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
hi drojf |
| 21:37 |
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mtompset |
Hey, drojf. Just the person I wanted to bug. ;) |
| 21:37 |
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mtompset |
I wanted to ask you about a bug that cait was mentioning you were working on. |
| 21:37 |
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drojf |
no bugging tonight, going to bed. don't want to stay up until 5 again |
| 21:38 |
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drojf |
if it is a really fast question… ;) |
| 21:38 |
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cait |
drojf: 5!! |
| 21:38 |
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drojf |
half past actually |
| 21:38 |
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mtompset |
Are you touching opac/opac-detail.pl? And if so, which part? |
| 21:39 |
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mtompset |
I want to know how bad a rebase of my patch will be if you get pushed first. ;) |
| 21:39 |
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drojf |
yes i am. the beginning, after the 404, before it really starts |
| 21:39 |
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drojf |
i think |
| 21:39 |
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cait |
drojf: tsk. |
| 21:39 |
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drojf |
i mean the redirection to 404 |
| 21:40 |
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mtompset |
drojf: Up until 5am?! Now that's commitment. ;) |
| 21:40 |
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drojf |
i do a redirection there too in acse the record is not allowed |
| 21:40 |
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mtompset |
I'm working on a patch just before the 404. |
| 21:40 |
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drojf |
i did not want to, i just could not sleep |
| 21:40 |
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mtompset |
Remember the hiddenitems conversation we were talking about? :) |
| 21:40 |
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drojf |
what are you doing before the 404? |
| 21:40 |
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drojf |
yes |
| 21:41 |
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drojf |
i don't think anything should happen before the 404 check, but maybe that is just me ;) |
| 21:41 |
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mtompset |
checking if all the items for a bibilio are hidden, and if so, changing the biblionumber to 0, to trigger the 404. :) |
| 21:41 |
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drojf |
does not seem like the straightest way to do it but will probably work |
| 21:42 |
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mtompset |
It does work. I have the patch working and tested. |
| 21:42 |
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drojf |
not sure if it is technically ok to use a fake 404 |
| 21:42 |
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drojf |
but i was thinking about it too, as an option |
| 21:43 |
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drojf |
either be redirected to a page that explains why you are not allowed to view the record or 404 if its "really" secret |
| 21:43 |
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mtompset |
did you see bug 2318? |
| 21:43 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
i filed a bug for authorities giving you a 404 when you try to search fo ra non-existing one... if you 2 get bored... |
| 21:44 |
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mtompset |
cait: Oh thank you so much! (that's sarcasm, by the way) |
| 21:44 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1306: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1306/ |
| 21:44 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Katrin Fischer: Bug 10490: Overdue fines cap can't store decimal values |
| 21:44 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 10490: DBrev 3.13.00.012 |
| 21:44 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name |
| 21:44 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Colin Campbell: Bug 10529: Remove hardcoded dollar from patron message |
| 21:44 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded) |
| 21:44 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless |
| 21:44 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10529 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Dollar sign hardcoded in patron message |
| 21:45 |
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drojf |
mtompset: i did not know that one |
| 21:46 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1307 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:46 |
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mtompset |
I figure if the biblio is suppressed, all the items are hidden, or the biblionumber does not exist, it will need to output the same thing. |
| 21:46 |
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mtompset |
Though, I think 404 is the wrong output. |
| 21:48 |
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drojf |
i don't think so. what i am doing is supposed to give you a hint. like "you can only see the details from within the university network". what you are doing is supposed to… probably not tell anything? and the no biblio available should give a hint on that. alternatively, that may be ok for you too |
| 21:48 |
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drojf |
but not for me. or if so, only as an additional option |
| 21:50 |
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mtompset |
good point on the "why is the item hidden". If it is hidden because they aren't allowed to see it, that is different than hidden/suppressed because they need to ask the library staff about it. |
| 21:50 |
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drojf |
what i am going to do is, have one line saying the access is bloicked and a syspref to customize the rest of the information. |
| 21:51 |
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drojf |
so you can change it to your needs |
| 21:51 |
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drojf |
or just leave it blank |
| 21:51 |
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mtompset |
what about the case the biblio doesn't exist? |
| 21:51 |
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drojf |
not my bug |
| 21:51 |
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drojf |
:) |
| 21:52 |
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drojf |
anyhow, going to bed. see you at 3am if i can't sleep again :/ |
| 21:52 |
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mtompset |
Do try to get some good sleep. |
| 21:52 |
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mtompset |
Bye, drojf. |
| 22:03 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 22:03 |
|
huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.5°C (11:55 PM CEST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:07 |
|
* Dyrcona |
blinks. |
| 22:07 |
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* Dyrcona |
forgot it is tomorrow in NZ. |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
hm ok |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
i might be too tired |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
can someone take a look at this if/else here? |
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cait |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=18722 |
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cait |
and tell me if they can spot a difference? |
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cait |
ooh |
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cait |
ok, i AM too tired |
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cait |
i will look at this again tomorrow, my clue to go to bed :) |
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cait |
hi tcohen :) |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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cait |
tcohen: looking forward to the weekend? :) |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: You around by any crazy chance? Was curious about Koha::Record |
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pianohacker |
good night, all |
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tcohen |
yes cait |
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tcohen |
ph |
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tcohen |
oh |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1307: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1307/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10475 - Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly |
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jenkins_koha |
* Colin Campbell: Bug 10507: improve warning about duplicate patron attribute value |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10507 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Typo when warning about creating duplicate patron attribute |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1308 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1306 2 hr 29 min ago) |
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* mtompset |
chuckles, "AllowTooManyOverride -- nice name." |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1f2ef8ccecf497868> |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
| 23:52 |
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tcohen |
another national university went live with 3.12 today |
| 23:52 |
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mtompset |
Did you get all the bookings sorted out? |
| 23:52 |
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mtompset |
Cool. |
| 23:53 |
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tcohen |
i got my plane reservation |
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tcohen |
not sure how it went between the accountant and the travel agency |
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tcohen |
but yeah, looks like i'm almost going to reno :-D |
