IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-01

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00:00 dcook Can't say that I'm a Sony fan either.
00:00 dcook I want to say that I'm a fan of having gear that doesn't need regular servicing. But...if I say that...then my laptop is going to explode.
00:01 jcamins Isn't that the company that is supposed to make the most reiable PCs?
00:01 dcook O_o
00:01 jcamins Lenovo.
00:01 dcook Isn't Lenovo with IBM?
00:01 dcook Mmm, local DNS is down. That's always nice.
00:01 jcamins Sony, IBM, whatever. :P
00:01 jcamins
00:01 dcook Yeah, I think that's my best bet
00:03 dcook There we go
00:04 dcook I'm not sure what I think of the Lenovo laptops
00:04 dcook I have a friend who runs...I think Linux Mint on his Lenovo and he seems to like it
00:05 dcook I was thinking of dual booting my ASUS netbook with Ubuntu but haven't gotten around to it yet
00:05 * dcook is thinking of taking July off of personal study/computer projects
00:05 dcook Other than actual work stuff, of course
00:06 * jcamins figured out that "personal" meant "not work." :P
00:06 dcook I take my work pretty personally sometimes ;)
00:09 jcamins Heh. True.
00:09 dcook Not entirely sure where I want to go with things anyway...
00:10 dcook When I have some time, I think I'm going to use my new VM here at work to develop using Gitify
00:10 jcamins Doo eet!
00:10 dcook :D
00:11 dcook I suppose I want to know more about networking and sysadmin, can be tough to learn things without projects and I'm not sure what "projects" would revolve around those two elements of computing
00:12 dcook I was thinking of looking at Evergreen at some point
00:13 jcamins I found EG rather daunting.
00:13 dcook Coming from you, that sounds terrifying.
00:26 dcook Hmm, why are you not cooperating, template?
00:27 jcamins To make you crazy.
00:27 dcook I think so. Damned template conspiracy.
00:27 * jcamins decides to go read a book and hope that his computer is working perfectly when he gets back.
00:27 dcook Good call
00:27 * dcook got his first Australian public library card on Saturday
00:28 dcook Time to read all the books!
00:28 jcamins Woohoo!
00:29 jcamins I'm going to read... probably the latest Thursday Next book.
00:29 jcamins I should read something non-fiction, but that sounds more fun.
00:29 dcook I think July should be the month of fiction
00:29 * dcook nods
00:29 dcook Although it might still be June there?
00:29 dcook Thursday Next looks interesting...
00:29 dcook I picked up Fahrenheit 451 and a couple Girl Genius trades (even though I've already read them)
00:32 dcook Templates sorted. Booyah.
00:51 rangi must .. not ... reply
00:51 rangi dcook: you can .. they are in .au :)
00:51 dcook O_o
00:52 dcook rangi: Not sure I follow what you're saying...
00:52 rangi mail to the koha list
00:53 dcook Ahh, I put together your sentences now
00:53 dcook I thought they were unrelated :p
00:53 rangi hehe
00:53 wizzyrea file a bug, make a patch, or give someone money to do it.
00:54 dcook I just get the digests so I tend not to see things until the next day
00:54 wizzyrea which part of this is hard to understand.
00:54 * dcook thinks he should probably switch over to the non-digest for devel...
00:54 wizzyrea that was on main koha
00:54 dcook Hmm
00:55 * gmcharlt looking into why the master test database on jenkins seems to be autocommiting during HoldsQueue.t even while that's explicitly what that test tells it *not* to do
00:56 rangi yeah
00:56 rangi its weird eh
00:56 rangi dcook:[…]-July/036648.html
00:57 dcook Thanks, rangi, I was just about to look that up :)
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00:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
00:59 dcook rangi: I think that's one of Calyx's libraries actually
00:59 mtompset! Big brother is watching us already. :P
01:00 wizzyrea eep
01:01 dcook Yeah, I'm with wizzyrea: file a bug, make a patch, or pay someone to do it
01:01 dcook From personal experience, a lot of libraries never do inventories
01:01 dcook They probably should, but they don't
01:02 mtompset The only reason the libraries I'm working with are doing an inventory is because they are just entering data into the Koha system for the first time. :)
01:02 rangi emails like that are why im giving my talk at kohacon
01:02 dcook That said, I have done a few, and the points they mention are certainly valid...
01:02 dcook Well, not valid...
01:02 dcook But those are desirable features for an inventory module
01:02 rangi but obviously not compelling enough for someone to write them :)
01:02 dcook mtompset: That's great that they're doing it :)
01:03 dcook rangi: True true
01:03 dcook I think that's just a fact of life though
01:03 dcook If you want something done, do it yourself or pay someone else to do it
01:04 rangi even more
01:04 dcook Or make a polite request and hope that someone else has similar goals
01:04 rangi you just received, the culmulative effort of 217 people, over 13 years
01:04 rangi for free
01:04 rangi how about giving something back
01:04 dcook I think that's the most important thing
01:05 dcook I can understand complaining about software that one has spent thousands or millions on
01:05 rangi complaining is fine
01:05 dcook In itself
01:05 rangi tone is the issue
01:05 dcook But complaining with the expectation that you're owed something
01:05 dcook Mhm
01:05 rangi yeah
01:07 rangi[…]127780352/photo/1
01:07 dcook lol
01:08 dcook Always a good pick me up
01:08 dcook I suppose this is also the point of that proposal I sent in for VALA
01:08 wahanui okay, dcook.
01:08 dcook Ack
01:08 dcook forget I suppose this
01:08 wahanui dcook: I forgot i suppose this
01:08 rangi still havent heard anything back from vala
01:08 dcook Same
01:09 dcook But yeah, my point is that librarians and libraries need to stop thinking about things simply from the role of consumer
01:09 dcook And realize that they can actually contribute and shape their own future
01:10 jcamins No! Surely not!
01:10 rangi heh
01:11 dcook I suppose that not all librarians are technical nor want to be technical, but...there are lots of ways to contribute - as wizzyrea pointed out before
01:11 mtompset Shhh... stop making sense, dcook. ;)
01:14 rangi yay sue!
01:14 rangi stdc++
01:18 mtompset I like the mention that a previous LMS was cumbersome too. :)
01:20 mtompset And the methodology she describes may be time consuming, but it is simple and accurate. :)
01:20 mtompset I wonder if my librarian colleagues have barcode scanners.
01:27 gmcharlt rangi: well, that would do it
01:28 rangi hm?
01:28 gmcharlt rangi: looks like the tables in the jenkins master database are all using MyISAM
01:28 rangi yikes
01:28 rangi that would certinaly do it
01:28 rangi maybe drop it and recreate
01:28 gmcharlt hey, I'm happy -- that's better than dealing with a cannot-turn-off-autocommit DBD::mysql bug :)
01:28 rangi hehe true
01:29 gmcharlt rangi: yeah, I'll do that
01:30 rangi cool thanks
01:32 rangi
01:33 wizzyrea ^ looks pretty cool actually
01:34 rangi gmcharlt:[…]774641664/photo/1
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01:35 gmcharlt heh
01:37 mtompset Greetings, rangi tcohen gmcharlt wizzyrea.
01:37 mtompset Interesting perl link.
01:39 * dcook waves to tcohen
01:39 tcohen hi dcook, mtompset
01:40 cjh hey :)
01:42 tcohen hi cjh
01:46 mtj i worked on that stocktake task for kerrie, and i think every point she made is wrong
01:46 rangi heh
01:46 dcook mtj: Oh?
01:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10494: remove spurious warnings from the KohaBranchName plugin <[…]5c21a0757c685cbec> / Bug 10494: test cases for the KohaBranchName plugin <[…]f4d2b68746627482b>
01:51 mtj "Things we thought should be standard and automatic,"…. would not be applicable to other libraries, in a different situation
01:52 * mtompset nods in agreement with mtj. :)
01:52 dcook Mmm
01:53 dcook I suppose
01:53 rangi sysprefs?
01:53 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage
01:53 dcook Although the numbered points they outline are usually standard in most ILSes, I think
01:53 dcook There's also that
01:53 rangi
01:53 dcook I think this one does fall down to it just not being a priority for anyone
01:53 mtompset Greetings, cjh. :)
01:53 rangi *nod*
01:53 dcook rangi: hehe
01:54 cjh hey mtompset :)
01:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1277 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 3 days 0 hr ago)
01:58 mtj dcook, the other gotcha with stocktake is,  the module works well enuff to do (imho) everything needed
01:59 dcook "Need" is a pretty subjective term though
01:59 dcook But...I think I see what you're saying
01:59 dcook Up until now, perhaps it has done what people needed
01:59 mtj …when combined with an SQL report, to fetch various barcodes
01:59 dcook Although I think there might be a bug where it can only handle so many barcodes...
02:00 dcook That might've been fixed by now though
02:00 mtj yeah, there is a hardcoded limit for that, afaik :/
02:02 dcook Hmm
02:02 dcook But yeah, as for the itemized points, those are features that I've had with other systems I've used when doing inventories
02:02 dcook They were handy
02:03 dcook They're certainly doable as well
02:03 dcook That said, I have other things on my plate and I don't think many of our clients do inventories.
02:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6553 - Parentheses in Corporate author break tracings <[…]77f4916e5a737a0aa> / Bug 10484: not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode... <[…]3f1c4fb03fcf323cd>
02:09 mtj yeah, i havent done many of them myself
02:10 dcook I haven't in a while. I was at a library for a year where we did regular inventories using Millennium and then I did a project more recently where we were integrating collections after a library move using Horizon
02:10 dcook Of course, the bad thing about automatic updates when doing inventories...
02:11 dcook If you accidentally missed a section or your scanner stopped working or... or...
02:11 dcook Then you've updated a lot of statuses incorrectly and you need to do the batch item mod anyway :/
02:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10497 - star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail <[…]5df39e09bd64830dd>
02:20 wizzyrea be wizzyrea
02:20 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
02:23 cjh be cjh
02:23 cjh free \o/
02:24 * druthb fears
02:24 druthb be druthb
02:24 wahanui Harrumph!
02:24 druthb heh
02:24 cjh heh
02:24 gmcharlt be gmcharlt
02:24 wahanui Here, kitty kitty kitty...
02:24 * wizzyrea could do something for "be cjh"
02:24 wizzyrea hehehehehehe
02:24 cjh oh?
02:25 wizzyrea but I think it might not be funny ;
02:25 wizzyrea ;)
02:25 cjh heh
02:25 dcook be dcook
02:26 dcook Whew...
02:28 dcook All right. I'm going to go have lunch and read a book at the library down the road ^_^
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03:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1277: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1277/
03:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10494: test cases for the KohaBranchName plugin
03:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10494: remove spurious warnings from the KohaBranchName plugin
03:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10494 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , KohaBranchName sends useless warnings to log if supplied library code is null or not present
03:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1278 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 3 days 2 hr ago)
03:39 mtompset if you had your choice of encryption methods, which would you use? a shared key or a public/private key system?
04:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1278: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1278/
04:26 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10484: not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode subfield
04:26 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 6553 - Parentheses in Corporate author break tracings
04:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10497 - star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail
04:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10484 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode subfield
04:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6553 major, P3, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , Parentheses in corporate author break tracings
04:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10497 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail
04:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1279 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 3 days 3 hr ago)
04:36 wizzyrea nooooo
04:37 dcook Uh oh. Who broke it?
04:48 mtompset Not me. :)
04:48 mtompset It seems like a test suite, I think.
04:50 mtompset Bug 10386?
04:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10386 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , UT: VirtualShelves.t needs some more adjustments
04:55 mtompset someone didn't run "prove -v blah.t" first. :)
04:55 mtompset okay, and for crazy fun... I'm attempting a windows install of Koha. :)
04:56 dcook Nice one, mtompset!
04:57 dcook I'd love to hear how that goes
04:57 mtompset I installed the windows version of the perl that rangi gave a link to.
04:57 mtompset It seems to be strawberry perl based.
04:58 mtompset I'm CPAN'ing required libraries now.
04:59 dcook I wonder a bit about where you'll get hung up
04:59 dcook Anywhere that uses shell scripts?
04:59 mtompset I'm thinking ZOOM right now.
04:59 * dcook tries to remember if a non-package version uses shell scripts
05:00 dcook On a side note:[…]fey/librarybox-20
05:00 dcook Also:
05:03 dcook I suppose you could make a KohaBox using a RasPi...
05:04 mtompset That would be easy by comparison.
05:05 mtompset There's a debian image for the Raspberry Pi.
05:05 dcook drojf posted instructions for Koha set up as well
05:05 dcook I suppose the hardest part would be setting it up to broadcast a wifi signal
05:06 mtompset That's just a hardware issue. There are wired to wireless dongles.
05:06 mtompset Then it would be accessible by one's router.
05:07 dcook[…]ss-point/overview
05:08 dcook Better than that, turn your Raspi into a router, so that you just have the one box
05:08 dcook Of course, it would only be good locally, but that's the idea
05:09 dcook I guess in that article they are hooking it up to a wire...
05:09 dcook But you wouldn't need to
05:15 mtompset neat... found yaz and zebra for windows.
05:16 mtompset this would be cool if I could run koha natively on windows. :)
05:20 mtompset And therein is the problem.
05:20 mtompset there is no yaz-config in windows?
05:25 dcook Just for the record, Granville Island Lions Winter Ale is on sale from October to March...which covers the time period I'll be there following Kohacon
05:25 dcook I think I'm going to weep with joy right now
05:33 mtompset well... four library failures: Net::Z3950::ZOOM, Number::Format (locale test failure), PDF::API2::Simple, and Schedule::At.
05:33 mtompset I'm going to call it a morning.
05:33 mtompset Happy Canada Day!
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05:35 dcook hey ya cait
05:35 cait hi dcook
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06:27 marcelr h[ae]llo #koha
06:27 dcook hey ya marcelr :)
06:28 marcelr hi dcook
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06:36 alex_a bonjour
06:36 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
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06:38 reiveune hello
06:38 wahanui hola, reiveune
06:46 marcelr hi france
06:53 * magnuse waves
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07:01 marcelr hi magnuse
07:02 magnuse hiya marcelr
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07:05 magnuse bonjour paul_p
07:05 paul_p hello magnuse
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07:08 magnuse @wunder boo
07:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
07:08 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
07:10 dcook Night, tout le monde
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07:17 christophe_c hello #koha
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07:22 kf hi #koha
07:22 marcelr hi kf
07:22 kf hi marcelr
07:22 magnuse hiya christophe_c kf sophie_m
07:22 kf finally started catchng up a bit with qa, home more to come this week
07:22 kf no more travelling in the near future :)
07:23 sophie_m hi magnuse
07:23 sophie_m hello #koha
07:23 magnuse kf++
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07:24 marcelr kf++ too
07:27 kf marcelr++ holding the fort :)
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07:28 marcelr certainly an overstatement
07:28 christophe_c hi magnuse
07:28 kf hi christophe_c and magnuse and sophie_m
07:28 christophe_c hi kf ;-)
07:30 asaurat hi!
07:30 kf hi asaurat!
07:30 kf how are things? :)
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07:38 drojf good morning #koha
07:39 magnuse moin drojf
07:39 drojf hei magnuse
07:42 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:42 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.5°C (9:13 AM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:45 asaurat kf: I'm in Marseilles this week, it's too warm I'm getting used to cold climates ;)
07:45 kf what are you doing during other times now? :)
07:46 asaurat living in Lozère, in the small moutains in the center/south of the country ("Massif Central")
07:48 kf sounds nice
07:51 magnuse @wunder Lozère
07:51 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:51 magnuse @wunder Lozère, france
07:51 christophe_c :-D
07:51 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:51 christophe_c U topos
07:51 * magnuse thinks asaurat is just making it up :-)
07:51 christophe_c :-D
07:51 asaurat héhé
07:52 asaurat @wunder Mende
07:52 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found.
07:52 asaurat arf
07:52 asaurat that's the biggest town in the vicinity :p
07:52 asaurat but the whole region is a no man's land, indeed =)
07:53 alex_a_ @wunder Saint Chely d'apcher
07:53 huginn alex_a_: Error: No such location could be found.
07:54 magnuse google maps says it knows Lozère but places the marker in the middle of nowhere, indeed :-)
07:54 alex_a_ nowhere ! That's where asaurat lives
07:54 alex_a_ asaurat: ;)
07:54 asaurat yep =)
07:55 asaurat
07:56 asaurat some Compostella pilgrims walk around here
07:56 asaurat when they're not eaten by the "Beast of Gévaudan"
07:57 magnuse compostella? they have either lost tjeir way or they have a long way to go, then?!?
07:58 asaurat still a long way to go, for sure, but a major starting point is around here
07:58 asaurat (Le Puy en Velay)
07:58 magnuse ah, cool
08:02 * magnuse walks down (or up?) avenue de la gare, in google streetview
08:06 kf asaurat: and what are you doing in the middle of nowhere? :)
08:07 asaurat I had enough of big cities :p living in the very center of Marseilles was tiresome
08:11 * magnuse can only imagine...
08:12 asaurat where do you live ? =)
08:14 kf asaurat: magnuse lives in the middle of the other nowhere :)
08:14 magnuse yeah, i live just outside nowhere
08:15 magnuse on the outskirts of
08:19 asaurat how do you pronounce the ø ? :D
08:20 magnuse to be more exact:[…]7&order_by=recent
08:21 magnuse asaurat:
08:21 asaurat nice fox =)
08:21 magnuse yup
08:21 magnuse that one was last year, i saw another one today
08:21 magnuse couldn't get close enough for a nice photo, though
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09:07 rangi hmm im gonna kick that person off the list
09:09 rangi and done
09:11 kf rangi++
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09:32 * Oak waves
09:33 Oak @wunder islamabad
09:33 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 36.0°C (2:00 PM PKT on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Falling).
09:41 kf hi Oak
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09:47 samueld hi everybody
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09:52 Oak hello kf
09:53 samueld i've forgotten a detail. I think there is a script which allow to display the date of the creation of the record (and his last modificatiion)?
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10:02 kf morgen drojf
10:02 eythian hi
10:03 kf hey eythian
10:03 drojf hola kf and eythian
10:03 kf where are you? :)
10:03 eythian kf: Brighton
10:03 wahanui Brighton is where the catalyst UK offices are
10:03 eythian right, wahanui
10:03 wahanui eythian: what?
10:03 kf oh cool
10:03 kf had a good flight?
10:03 eythian I had a long flight. It's never really "good" when it's like that :)
10:03 kf true
10:03 eythian it wasn't remarkable, that's about the best I can say :)
10:03 kf but no additional unpleasant events?
10:04 eythian No, it all went according to plan.
10:04 eythian Now I'm just waiting for the afternoon for the jetlag to kick in.
10:04 kf aah
10:04 kf so not working today?
10:05 eythian yeah, I am
10:07 kf ah - stay awake then :)
10:07 eythian I'll try :)
10:08 * drojf could use some directions on how to stay awake
10:08 kf does your favourite beveragenot do the trick?
10:09 drojf i'm trying to cut back on that. but i have a backup bottle in the locker ;)
10:09 kf cutting back - wow
10:10 kf you crried bottles to scotland! :)
10:10 drojf oh come on, that were only like… two. or maybe four. for eight days. that does not count :D
10:11 kf the fact that you imported something in glass bottles counts
10:11 drojf heh true
10:16 drojf i feel like building a raspberry koha firefoxos self-checkout machine i have absolutely no use for. i am a weird person
10:16 jcamins Yeah! Do it!
10:16 jcamins Wait... FirefoxOS?
10:16 jcamins Why?
10:16 drojf why not? :D
10:16 eythian drojf makes an excellent point.
10:17 jcamins A fair question.
10:20 kf hehe
10:20 kf i think it's a great idea
10:21 kf can have a mobile self check thing then too
10:21 jcamins kf: true!
10:21 gaetan_B hmm, i thought it was totally feasible to relocate authority controlled fields in other tabs than the one they usually belong to, but it seems the small plugin that handles filling the correct subfields is getting confused in that case. Anyone had this before ?
10:21 gaetan_B maybe i didn't setup my framework correctly
10:22 gaetan_B but all the subfields seem to be in the right tab, some of them are hidden though
10:22 jcamins gaetan_B: I've done that and it's worked, when I've made sure that *every* subfield was moved.
10:23 gaetan_B drojf: this actually sounds like a great idea :)
10:23 gaetan_B besides, i think quite a few libraries would be interested in cheap self check out machines
10:23 drojf kf: if you had two mobile self check things you could use one to checkout the other
10:23 gaetan_B the price from main vendors is usually in the range of "ridiculous"
10:25 kf true
10:25 kf gaetan_B: still in kurdistan?
10:26 gaetan_B yep
10:26 gaetan_B i am sick today :(
10:26 gaetan_B yesterday's shawarma was not so fresh it seems ! :D
10:26 kf oh no :(
10:26 gaetan_B maybe i'll be a vegetarian for the few days i have left here
10:26 kf at least youcan still smile about it
10:26 drojf gaetan_B: i think a fancy version (with big touch display) would be doable for 250€+
10:26 gaetan_B drojf++
10:27 gaetan_B that would be *very* neat
10:27 gaetan_B obviously you would need to sort of industrialize the production if you intend to sell them
10:27 gaetan_B but then
10:27 gaetan_B this is cool :)
10:28 kf gaetan_B: i think people could install themselves on a tablet or something that can run firefox os
10:28 kf or they can hire drojf to do so :)
10:29 drojf maybe i miss the crazy magic part that makes those machines ridiculously expensive. not sure what that is supposed to be though
10:30 gaetan_B oh, but you're talking self checkout with barcodes ? i was thinking rfid
10:30 drojf i was thinking rfid too
10:30 drojf an NFC/RFID module is actually cheaper than a barcode scanner
10:30 gaetan_B jcamins: could my problem stem from the fact the whole "see also" section is missign from my framework for the 100$a ? I don't see where this information comes from
10:31 jcamins gaetan_B: I'm not sure what you mean.
10:32 jcamins Boy am I not happy with this year's KohaCon.
10:32 gaetan_B jcamins: when i look at the subfields for the 100 fiel in the marc structure of the default framework (which works) i see this in front of the $a : Tab:1,              | Koha field:,              Not repeatable,             Not mandatory,              | See Also:  '100b','100c','100q','100d','100e','110a','11​0b','110c','110d','110e','111a','111e','111c'​,'111d','130a','700a','700b','700c','700q','7​00d','700e','710a','710b','710c','710d','7
10:32 gaetan_B hmm, that was probably too long for IRC
10:32 drojf jcamins: why?
10:33 gaetan_B anyway, there's a whole section with fields and subfields, but i don't see where this is configured
10:33 jcamins drojf: because despite the fact that my reservation was for October, the *casino* that the conference is being held at billed me in June... for not showing up.
10:33 jcamins gaetan_B: weird. I have no idea what that is.
10:33 drojf jcamins: OMG
10:33 jcamins drojf: which makes the venue chosen absolutely appalling to me.
10:34 drojf well, you know that only the casino really wins…
10:34 drojf sorry ^^
10:34 jcamins drojf: lol
10:34 jcamins True.
10:36 kf gaetan_B: you can ignore it
10:36 kf gaetan_B: related to nozebra
10:36 gaetan_B oh so this is not what's causing my problem then, thanks kf :)
10:36 gaetan_B i guess it's just one filled that should not be hidden
10:37 kf well the index field is
10:37 kf and it's deleted on saving
10:37 kf i filed a bug for that ages ago
10:38 marcelr kf: added you to the cc of bug 10509 :)
10:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10509 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Using i18n function for translation in webinstaller mysql files
10:38 kf marcelr: subtle ;)
10:38 kf i have some bugs to take care of first this week
10:38 marcelr the approach changed from updating to using i18n function to translate
10:39 marcelr kf: no problem, but German will be my first language candidate to convert
10:40 kf oh
10:41 kf marcelr: i will refer any questions to the german community manager - drojf
10:42 * kf hides
10:42 marcelr too bad
10:42 kf i was joking :)
10:42 marcelr oooohhh
10:42 kf just a really long todo list right now, so not sure when i will get really time to look at it
10:43 marcelr my todo list is too long
10:43 kf i think to tell if it's too long i would have to estimate the length
10:43 kf and i would rather try to avoid that
10:43 marcelr very good
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10:53 drojf so, somebody is drilling. in the library.
10:53 drojf my monday can hardly get any better
10:54 gaetan_B when filling the authority controlled fields in cataloging, could it be that the part that identifies where the information should be added bases itself on the default framework and not the framework currently used ?
10:59 kf gaetan_B: nothing is impossible.
10:59 kf not helpful i know :)
11:00 kf maybe get someone to take a look at the code?
11:00 gaetan_B i'll try this when they are done training themselves
11:00 gaetan_B i have had a look at the code, there is no reference to frameworks in that part, so it *could* be the reason
11:01 gaetan_B because when i do this, i usually set up my simplified framework as the default one, which i haven't yet
11:01 gaetan_B and this is the first time i am having this problem
11:30 samueld for biblio.datecreated, how can it be displayed in the marc framework? I find a value in the database but it's not displayed.
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11:37 jcamins Okay, update on the incompetent billing. The person I spoke to on the phone said "oh, you used the website, I never know what it's doing, but your reservation was correct, even if the billing statement was not.
11:37 jcamins "
11:38 jcamins So for USians who haven't booked the hotel yet, I recommend a phone call.
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11:45 kf one would think they would update their website
11:45 * kf now considers a phone call too
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12:14 drojf look, it's that stable university wifi again
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12:19 oleonard Hi #koha
12:23 marcelr hi oleonard
12:24 kf hi oleonard :)
12:25 kf oleonard++ thx for the acq item form fix
12:26 kf hi drnoe
12:26 drnoe hello
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12:31 drojf eduroam--
12:31 drojf eduroam--
12:31 drojf eduroam--
12:31 kf oooh
12:31 kf eduroam++
12:31 drojf eduroam--
12:31 drojf eduroam--
12:31 drojf eduroam--
12:31 drojf ha
12:31 * kf gives up
12:32 kf you are cheating
12:32 drojf we should kill it, it's kind of dead anyway
12:32 oleonard @karma eduroam
12:32 huginn oleonard: Karma for "eduroam" has been increased 1 time and decreased 6 times for a total karma of -5.
12:32 oleonard There should be a filter to block negative karma flooding
12:32 drojf no there should not
12:32 drojf ;)
12:32 kf drojf: it worked fine for me when i was in dortmund last time
12:33 kf was very glad to have internet
12:33 drojf kf: i suppose it does not suck anywhere like here
12:33 drojf hu--
12:33 kf probably
12:33 drojf hu--
12:33 drojf hu--
12:33 * kf puts on chain gloves before offering drojf a cookie
12:33 drojf the seperate vpn network works though, so it can't just be the univerisities fault
12:33 kf not sure if he bites
12:34 drojf i might :D
12:39 drojf telefonica starts selling firefoxos phones…tomorrow??! i did not think the os was considered ready for end users yet
12:40 eythian drojf: it's not on mine, I think.
12:41 eythian and did you get the email saying that "if you're writing about it, make sure you emphasise that it's pre-release?"
12:41 drojf eythian: i have not upgraded in a while but i doubt that a lot happened since then
12:41 drojf ha yes i got that too
12:41 eythian I have, there wasn't a lot of change that I saw
12:42 drojf i made mine keep wifi connection in standby, i was too lazy build again later
12:43 drojf s/build/to build/
12:43 drojf and use duckduckgo instead of bing/google
12:44 kf drojf: so it's not good yet?
12:45 drojf kf: it's great. for me. i'm not sure if it is good for end users already
12:46 drojf well, it does calls and sms, it has a calendar and an address book, and it has a browser. that probably is a lot really for a 69€ smartphone
12:46 drojf (the ZTE ones telefonica is going to sell cost 69)
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12:47 kf drojf: doens't sound too bad
12:50 drojf looks like it's 69€ including 30€ prepaid credit. LOL that's ridiculously cheap
12:52 drojf (and together with an usb rfid reader it's almost a tiny self-checkout machine o.O)
12:56 kf :)
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13:19 slef drojf: the US-based duckduckgo not the NL-based ixquick?
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13:21 slef Anyway, hi all. Why I'm really here: is there a standard for whether or not a range "from 2013-06-01 to 2013-06-02" actually includes the whole of 2013-06-02 or not?  As in, does the range finish at 2013-06-02 00:00:00 or 2013-06-02 23:59:59?
13:21 drojf "Ixquick is a metasearch engine based in New York and the Netherlands."
13:21 drojf i guess that would not make a difference ;)
13:21 slef drojf: source?
13:21 wahanui i guess source is good.
13:22 drojf duckduckgo :D
13:22 drojf
13:24 slef drojf: which seems to be based off of some SEO company and a direct contradiction to ixquick's own about page which says it started in NY but was bought by an NL company
13:25 eythian slef: I think I presume them to be inclusive, unless stated otherwise
13:25 drojf slef: a range is defined from its beginning to its end, in my understanding it should include the whole 2013-06-02
13:26 slef eythian, drojf: I think I do too, but both a colleague and MySQL just did the opposite and I've found nothing to contradict them besides anecdotes :-/
13:27 eythian which is the opposite? I can imagine four different ways of doing it.
13:27 slef interpreting YYYY-MM-DD as "YYYY-MM-DD 00:00:00" always
13:27 eythian I think if I were to say "the show was running from the 1st to the 3rd", it'd be clear that it was inclusive.
13:27 eythian I can totally understand mysql doing that.
13:28 slef ibkt fthat
13:28 slef sorry
13:28 eythian but I think if you're designing a UI, doing the opposite of what mysql does should probably be the first thing you do.
13:28 slef only that it's easier to program
13:32 drojf you should tell your colleague that if s/he does things the mysql way that is probably a bad idea
13:32 slef heh
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14:06 oleonard kf can you pretty-please try Bug 10510 again and make sure you're not seeing the old background image sprite?
14:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10510 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon
14:09 kf oleonard: sure, but not right now :(
14:09 kf tonight?
14:09 wahanui tonight is dgl-library1's last night physically present for this project. So if there's any other way……
14:10 kf I really made sure to restart chromium and delete ALL the cache for ALL time... but it still showed up :(
14:10 kf and tried firefox too, i ran out of ideas
14:12 oleonard kf: If you don't mind, maybe you could pull up the image itself in the browser, refresh, and confirm that you're getting the right one
14:12 oleonard kf: Do you have a special font size or zoom setting in your browser?
14:13 kf hm I don't think so no
14:13 kf i think i even did strg + 0 to resize
14:13 kf but it stayed the same
14:13 kf oleonard: could you put the URL on the bug?
14:13 kf to the picture?
14:13 oleonard Sure
14:13 kf thx
14:13 kf i will try to retest tonight
14:14 kf i really thougth that it shoudl work, but i jsut couldn't make it work... bit frustrating :)
14:14 kf did you see galen's comment about the error dialog patch?
14:14 oleonard No
14:17 kf i passed it and he found something ... *sigh* :)
14:19 oleonard I see it now. I missed that some JS was referencing that div. I swear I looked for it.
14:20 kf i missed it too
14:20 kf that's why lots of eyes is good :)
14:21 kf still annoyed at myself for missing it :)
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14:59 kf eythian: i constantly want to tell you to go to bed...
14:59 eythian I do feel a little like I should...
15:00 kf go for a walk in the sun if you can
15:00 kf it's supposed to help resetting your body clock or something
15:00 eythian It is 2am according to my body clock, and it's telling me that I should be thinking about sleeping.
15:00 eythian Yeah
15:00 eythian that's not a silly idea really.
15:00 jcamins eythian: I think you're supposed to stand on stone.
15:01 eythian jcamins: it's bad luck to be superstitious.
15:01 jcamins eythian: no, really, I was told that standing on actual stone rather than concrete helps you adjust faster.
15:01 jcamins No idea if that's true, but I was told that when I went to Edinburhg.
15:02 jcamins *Edinburgh
15:02 * eythian is sceptical.
15:02 oleonard The Earth's time zone rays can't reach you as quickly through concrete
15:02 jcamins I didn't try it because it's possible I didn't really believe that standing on stone instead of concrete would make a difference.
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15:03 eythian oleonard: well, now you've framed it using science words, I totally get it!
15:03 eythian jcamins: the standing on anything in particular is part of my scepticalness.
15:04 eythian typically, I find that two sleeps and I'm realigned sufficiently.
15:05 eythian two sleeps at normal sleep times for the local zone, that is...
15:06 kf took me a week or so after coming back from nz to go back to 'normal' last time
15:06 kf i just fell asleep at a certain time too early no matter what was around me
15:06 kf :)
15:07 reiveune bye
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15:07 kf but i have never again been so awake at 4 am... that was kinda handy
15:08 eythian well, coming from NZ is a problem, because NZ is the normal time for everywhere, so you're fighting being used to that.
15:08 eythian It just the price that people not living in NZ have to pay.
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15:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:10 kf heh
15:10 mtompset Greetings, kf.
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15:27 * druthb chucks Skittles at mtompset.
15:27 mtompset What did I do this time?!
15:27 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
15:27 druthb Nothing; if you had, I'd have used my slingshot.  ;-)  Greetings!
15:28 mtompset Just making sure the channel silence isn't because I did something taboo and now everyone is shunning me. ;)
15:28 kf now that you mention it...
15:29 mtompset kf, the lack of smileys on that makes sarcasm difficult to detect, if you did intend it. :(
15:30 druthb mtompset:  when we start doing this, then you'll know for sure.
15:31 mtompset Nice Trek reference, druthb.
15:32 mtompset eythian's suggestion of koha-shell is good. Except, su - doesn't work under Ubuntu by default.
15:32 druthb mtompset++   # learning, bringing patches, asking questions, listening to good advice.
15:33 kf mtompset: the ... were indicating a smiley ;)
15:33 mtompset *whew* Thanks.
15:33 mtompset So, for ubuntu users... sudo -i or sudo su - first?
15:33 eythian sudo -s
15:33 kf just a busy monday
15:34 eythian however, it doesn't use su -
15:35 mtompset but koha-shell does.
15:35 mtompset Happy Canada Day, by the way. :)
15:35 eythian no it doesn't
15:35 mtompset let me go check again...
15:37 mtompset push @su_args, '/bin/su';
15:37 mtompset Yes, it does.
15:37 eythian it doesn't use su -
15:37 mtompset I grabbed that line from koha-shell.
15:37 eythian there is no - in that
15:37 mtompset okay, su blah balh.
15:37 mtompset It uses su.
15:37 eythian right, but su - is a specific thing
15:38 eythian it tells su to use a login shell
15:38 eythian and koha-shell only does that if you specify -l / --login
15:38 eythian an su does work on ubuntu
15:38 mtompset let me check that again, because it prompted for a password.
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15:39 mtompset and because the root account is disabled su won't work.
15:39 eythian I think you misunderstand the purpose of su and what it does
15:40 eythian > Gebruik: su [opties] [gebruikersnaam]
15:40 eythian the second field is the relevant one here.
15:41 mtompset right... but it needs root permissions to su.
15:41 eythian and how is that normally done?
15:41 mtompset I tend to use sudo -i, and just stay in root for a bit, myself.
15:41 mtompset But that is bad.
15:42 eythian that's a bad idea
15:42 eythian why not just use 'sudo koha-shell', like I said in the email?
15:42 eythian then you have root, and su will work.
15:42 mtompset doh! I so lack reading skills.
15:42 mtompset BAD ME.
15:43 mtompset Sorry, eythian.
15:44 eythian :)
15:46 * eythian uploads new packages for master
15:47 eythian s/uploads/has now uploaded/
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15:50 kf bye all :)
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17:08 cait hi #koha
17:11 rambutan hi cait
17:11 cait hi rambutan
17:17 mtompset Greetings, cait and rambutan.
17:18 mtompset A lot of timeouts.
17:29 druthb cait:  caitsnack cookie!
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17:33 cait omnomnom
17:33 tcohen hi cait
17:34 cait hi tcohen :)
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18:01 tcohen is rangi already awake?
18:02 * tcohen is in Hamlet-mode, "to revert or not revert"
18:05 jcamins tcohen: what are you thinking of reverting?
18:06 tcohen i added a new dependency
18:07 tcohen due to a 2 bugs related to callnumber ordering
18:07 tcohen i love that patches, but am worried about dificulties for the end-user
18:08 jcamins Ah.
18:08 jcamins Up to you. I don't have any opinions on that. I like the patch series quite a lot, personally, but that's not the question.
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18:10 cait heh
18:10 tcohen UNC's librarians love jcamins
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18:11 tcohen a super-librarian model for them
18:11 jcamins :)
18:11 cait yay!
18:11 cait jcamins++
18:12 cait superlibrarians++ :)
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18:18 druthb jcamins, did you just claim to be insane?
18:18 oleonard Oh it is ON
18:18 * druthb reviews the bidding.
18:18 druthb He did, didn't he...
18:19 druthb Do not try to out-crazy me, little man.  :P
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18:20 druthb My only regret about the new DSM version 5, is that it quit calling what I am a "disorder."  It's the most disorderly part of my life, and I revel in it.
18:21 jcamins Wow. You know what I had forgotten?
18:21 jcamins FF is a really miserable browser to use.
18:22 druthb :P
18:23 druthb yes, it is.
18:24 jcamins In fact, I am disturbingly reminded of IE.
18:24 oleonard Sir you go too far
18:24 jcamins In order to reload a single JS file you have to wipe your entire cache.
18:25 oleonard Why not pull up that file in the browser and refresh it?
18:25 jcamins I did.
18:25 jcamins And FF said "oh, go stuff yourself.
18:26 jcamins And I said "oh yeah? We'll see about that!"
18:26 jcamins And cleared its caches.
18:26 cait lol
18:26 cait that reminds me...
18:26 cait i should take a look at the glithy icon again :)
18:26 jcamins cait: while gamboling? :)
18:28 jcamins ("'Twas brillig, and the glithy icons / did gyre and gimble in the wabe...")
18:28 jcamins I meant gimbling, not gamboling, of course.
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18:31 cait jcamins: ?
18:31 jcamins cait: it's from a famous poem by Louis Carroll. The Jabberwocky.
18:32 cait oh of course
18:32 cait ;)
18:32 drojf what do you kids learn in school these days? :P
18:32 cait and the drojf appears.. :)
18:33 cait hm our dashboard is still june :)
18:34 tcohen does anyone remember what happened to a proposed circulation dashboard for koha?
18:34 drojf then i better postpone all the signoffs i planned ;)
18:34 cait tcohen: not sure
18:34 wahanui it has been said that not sure is related to the patch itself
18:35 magnuse wahanui: forget not sure
18:35 wahanui magnuse: I forgot not sure
18:36 cait oleonard: still around?
18:36 oleonard Yes
18:37 cait i did as you told me... and it didn't work
18:37 cait switching opacthemes now :(
18:37 cait http://localhost/opac-tmpl/prog/images/sprite.png < shows the sprite
18:37 cait but htat's prog right?
18:37 oleonard Yes
18:37 cait i was looking at ccsr all the time
18:38 cait yeah fixed in pro
18:38 cait g
18:38 cait oleonard: do you want to do a follow up for ccsr?
18:39 mtompset all mimsy were the burrow groves and momewraths out grabe. -- or something like that. :)
18:39 oleonard Yes I suppose I should
18:39 cait at least I was not crazy... or only a little bit
18:39 cait should have checked the paths
18:39 cait oleonard: i will pass qa on it
18:39 cait and then you can have the other patch on a new bug when you can fit it in :)
18:40 tcohen The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom
18:41 mtompset DSM, druthb?
18:42 oleonard Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
18:43 cait wow
18:44 tcohen i prefer blake
18:44 * cait feels like this channel is too smart for her maybe tonight
18:44 * cait hides
18:46 jcamins druthb: BTW, don't feel bad about the reclassification in DSM5. DSM5 is not real respected by current practitioners.
18:48 mtompset Actually, isn't the reclassification an improvement?
18:48 mtompset dysphoria vs. identity disorder.
18:59 drojf dysphoria? isn't that a symptom?
19:01 drojf wheeee thunderstorm
19:02 rambutan drojf: send 1/2 of it here
19:02 drojf i can try ;)
19:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #58 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:13 tcohen bye #koha, gotta run
19:13 mtompset bye, tcohen
19:33 druthb jcamins:  So I've heard.  mtompset: perhaps.  Less stigmatizing, and that's a good thing, but it makes it *harder* to get insurance coverage.  (As if it wasn't hard enough.)
19:34 mtompset Ah, nasty double-edged sword that is.
19:36 mtompset Thanks for the explanation, druthb.
19:39 drojf @later tell slef re: duckduckgo vs. ixquick, i remembered why i had the vague distaste for ixquick.[…]et/4902#comment:6 also further down it says they did not want to work with tor. there is even a new bug on that tracker asking to be removed as standard search engine from the tor browser bundle. duckduckgo on the other hand has a hidden tor service and runs a tor exit enclave
19:39 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
19:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #58: UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/58/
19:52 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10315 - Use easier readable font for generated passwords
19:52 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10425 - Help page missing for Local Use preferences
19:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10315 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use easier readable font for generated passwords
19:52 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10425: tweaks to text of help for local use system preference
19:52 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Bug 10245: add CSS classes to OPAC detail items table header
19:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10425 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Help page missing for Local Use preferences
19:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Pushed to Stable , OPAC items table CSS classes
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20:24 * cait just uploaded a patch for bug 10490
20:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded)
20:24 cait *hint*
20:25 cait good morning kathryn :)
20:25 kathryn hello cait :)
20:31 * cait wishes hard rangi was here
20:31 cait bug 10492
20:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10492 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Translation problems with TT directives in po files
20:34 cait i have no idea why the scripts pick those up to be translated
20:34 cait and the template processing files are very scary
20:52 cait hm ok, maybe it#s not a bad problem after all
20:52 cait it's just a bit weird
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21:20 drojf good night #koha
21:21 cait good night drojf :)
21:25 cait ugh
21:26 cait bug 4907
21:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4907 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Suggestions "organize by" menu doesn't reflect current choice
21:26 cait this is form 2010
21:26 jcamins Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
21:26 jcamins Oh.
21:26 * jcamins speaks typo. Never mind.
21:27 cait from...?
21:27 jcamins cait: in the US, forms have numbers.
21:27 cait scary.
21:27 jcamins I thought "form 2010" was a scary form that the government made you fill out.
21:27 cait help me fix the bug ... it will help you forget :)
21:33 jcamins firefox--
21:42 magnuse @wunder boo
21:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (11:20 PM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
21:42 magnuse AND the sun is shining! :-)
21:49 cait and magnuse should be sleeping? :)
21:49 magnuse yup
21:49 magnuse definitely
21:50 magnuse and sp should cait, probably?
21:50 cait maybe? :)
21:51 cait fixing old old bugs
21:51 magnuse cait++
21:51 magnuse and jcamins++ for moving Bug 10240 forwards
21:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB
21:52 magnuse oh well, have fun #koha!
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23:31 tcohen hi dcook
23:31 dcook hey tcohen :)

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