| Time |
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| 00:00 |
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cjh |
eythian++ |
| 00:00 |
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gmcharlt |
eythian++ |
| 00:00 |
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jcamins |
I think we should just install our own libc with Koha. |
| 00:00 |
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wizzyrea |
i think he could benefit a lot from trolling us in real time. |
| 00:00 |
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eythian |
it better be µlibc, none of this big bloated stuff! |
| 00:01 |
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jcamins |
Or vmlinuz. |
| 00:01 |
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| 00:02 |
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gmcharlt |
might be dangerous |
| 00:02 |
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gmcharlt |
best to delete it |
| 00:02 |
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jeff |
can't read it, don't trust it, better rm it. |
| 00:02 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 00:03 |
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rangi |
jeff: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]3-May/039407.html |
| 00:03 |
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rangi |
for context |
| 00:04 |
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jeff |
thanks. i need to re-up my subscriptions. |
| 00:17 |
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jeff |
2128 new objects since last git pull. looks like it's been a while. |
| 00:19 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 00:24 |
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mtj |
hey peeps, can anyone get a cron sorted to rebuild Koha's schema page? |
| 00:25 |
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* mtj |
thinks that might be rangi's linode? |
| 00:26 |
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rangi |
it needs to much massaging to be cronable |
| 00:26 |
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rangi |
ill do it when i get round to it |
| 00:28 |
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jcamins |
It requires massaging? Eww. |
| 00:28 |
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eythian |
jcamins: schemaist |
| 00:28 |
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mtj |
hey chris… aah ok - i know i bugged you about it a while ago |
| 00:28 |
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rangi |
to get the comments into a format that schema can use |
| 00:28 |
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rangi |
schemaspy even |
| 00:29 |
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mtj |
i assumed it was just running a script at midnite, etc... |
| 00:29 |
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jcamins |
Right, but it seems like it should be automatic. |
| 00:29 |
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rangi |
nope |
| 00:29 |
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rangi |
differnet things break everytime |
| 00:30 |
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mtj |
the comments in the .sql file make SchemaSpy barf :/ |
| 00:31 |
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rangi |
exactly, so i have some perl to fix that |
| 00:31 |
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jcamins |
Someone should patch that. |
| 00:31 |
|
* jcamins |
looks pointedly at mtj. |
| 00:31 |
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cjh |
is it possible to make a specific comment format part of our coding guidelines? |
| 00:31 |
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cjh |
ie; a format that doesnt make schemaspy barf |
| 00:32 |
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rangi |
possibly |
| 00:32 |
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rangi |
but now i have to go eat curry |
| 00:33 |
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jcamins |
Aww. Didn't work. |
| 00:34 |
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mtj |
i dont mind having a go at trying to fix it |
| 00:35 |
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* mtj |
thinks it would be a worthy thing to sort |
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| 01:03 |
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eythian |
http://fakescience.org/post/51[…]ht-on-each-planet |
| 01:07 |
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| 02:11 |
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eythian |
wahanui: survivorship bias is <reply>http://youarenotsosmart.com/20[…]urvivorship-bias/ |
| 02:11 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 03:08 |
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| 03:08 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:08 |
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mtompset |
I'm back to try to uncover my searching failures again. |
| 03:09 |
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mtompset |
The last suggestion was permissions problem. |
| 03:09 |
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mtompset |
What permissions and where should I check? |
| 03:10 |
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mtj |
the perms of your zebra index files |
| 03:11 |
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mtj |
the common mistake is that people run zebrasrv as root |
| 03:11 |
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mtj |
… which then changes the permissions of the index/db files to root |
| 03:12 |
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mtj |
and then attempt to run zebrasrv as another user, which doesnt have permission to read/write those files anymore |
| 03:12 |
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mtompset |
my zebra is running as me. |
| 03:12 |
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mtompset |
where are the zebra files in a typical git install? |
| 03:13 |
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mtj |
pass... |
| 03:13 |
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eythian |
dev-directory/var/lib/koha or somewhere like that I think |
| 03:13 |
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eythian |
but really, it can be anywhere. That's the point of a dev install. |
| 03:14 |
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mtompset |
Thanks... that was the general pointer I needed... and nope... they are all mtompset.mtompset :( |
| 03:15 |
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eythian |
_all_ of them, not just the directories? |
| 03:15 |
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mtompset |
Yep. |
| 03:15 |
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mtompset |
All of them. |
| 03:15 |
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eythian |
OK. |
| 03:16 |
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mtompset |
I didn't figure I messed up a fresh install. |
| 03:16 |
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eythian |
in that case, I'd fire up zebrasrv manually in debug mode and see what happens when you do a search of it from Koha. |
| 03:16 |
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eythian |
it'll probably output an error or something somewhere. |
| 03:17 |
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mtompset |
so stop the koha zebra service and then run the zebrasrv manually with a debug flag? |
| 03:17 |
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mtj |
yep |
| 03:17 |
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mtj |
$ zebrasrv -f ~/path/to/koha-conf.xml |
| 03:18 |
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mtj |
do a search, and watch the terminal for info... |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
and a debug flag |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
I don't know what that is, but it's probably something obvious |
| 03:19 |
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mtompset |
-v all to log everything? |
| 03:19 |
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eythian |
I dunno |
| 03:19 |
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eythian |
look in the man page |
| 03:21 |
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mtompset |
I think I have it... now to try a search. |
| 03:24 |
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mtompset |
Okay... now how do I make sense of the output? |
| 03:24 |
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mtompset |
paste? |
| 03:24 |
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wahanui |
I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 03:24 |
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eythian |
You squint at it just right, and it'll start to make some sort of sense. |
| 03:25 |
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pastebot |
"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha search debug dump" (236 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28 |
| 03:26 |
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rangi |
id run it first with just -f |
| 03:26 |
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mtj |
yeah, the debug is often overkill |
| 03:26 |
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rangi |
youll get less noise |
| 03:26 |
|
rangi |
but here is the line |
| 03:26 |
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rangi |
the one that says ERROR |
| 03:26 |
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rangi |
23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [request] Search biblios ERROR 120 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "power? " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 power |
| 03:26 |
|
rangi |
23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [debug] result immediately available |
| 03:27 |
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mtompset |
Okay, so what does that mean? |
| 03:27 |
|
rangi |
runcation other than right truncation returns an unsupported truncation attribute error, error 120, when using the ICU. See Zebra bug 2049, Truncation=regular does not work with ICU normalized terms. A patch to fix right truncation was committed in 2008. The remaining unfixed aspects of the bug were marked won't fix on 21 October 2010 by Sebastian Hammer as part of a systematic closing of some open bugs for which a fix was neither readily apparent nor fu |
| 03:28 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2049 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, OPAC could show rank in Hold Queue |
| 03:28 |
|
rangi |
helpfully indexdata have switched to jira |
| 03:28 |
|
rangi |
so you cant see that bug anymore |
| 03:29 |
|
rangi |
but what it means to me is, switch icu off |
| 03:29 |
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mtompset |
okay... how do I switch icu off? |
| 03:30 |
|
rangi |
dunno, ive had enough googling for today :) |
| 03:30 |
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mtompset |
well, thank you for at least pointing me in a direction. |
| 03:31 |
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mtompset |
I think I'll just dump the DB, remake from the git but choose chr, and then reimport the data, rather than google. :P |
| 03:32 |
|
eythian |
none of those are your problem |
| 03:32 |
|
eythian |
it's specifically your zebra config |
| 03:32 |
|
eythian |
well, except the chr bit |
| 03:33 |
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mtompset |
right, but if I back up to where I started to do the icu, and choose chr, then I know it will work. |
| 03:33 |
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mtompset |
I know... it's overkill. |
| 03:33 |
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eythian |
you'd learn more by figuring out how to convert it |
| 03:34 |
|
mtompset |
and increase the chance of making another mistake which ripples into several others? No thanks. |
| 03:35 |
|
mtj |
sounds like a general no-no for using ICU with zebra |
| 03:35 |
|
eythian |
ICU is needed for some things |
| 03:35 |
|
eythian |
I think |
| 03:35 |
|
rangi |
there are ways to do it correctly, cait knows them |
| 03:35 |
|
rangi |
hebrew and arabic at least need it |
| 03:36 |
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mtj |
right, i kinda recall that too |
| 03:36 |
|
mtj |
hmm, a tricky situation :/ |
| 03:37 |
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rangi |
you could turn the query parser thing on or off too |
| 03:37 |
|
rangi |
see if that makes a different |
| 03:37 |
|
rangi |
difference even |
| 03:37 |
|
rangi |
in the search sysprefs |
| 03:37 |
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mtj |
mtompset, curious…. have you made many mods to your zebra config files? |
| 03:38 |
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mtompset |
heck no! default is good. leave as much as possible as default! |
| 03:38 |
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mtj |
ok, good to know |
| 03:39 |
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mtompset |
oh, another question... unrelated to zebra. |
| 03:40 |
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mtompset |
let's say we do the db upgrade and get "errors". |
| 03:40 |
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mtj |
it sounds like a legit, reproducible bug |
| 03:40 |
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mtompset |
I was reading the MySQL documentation, and the updatedatabase.pl code. |
| 03:41 |
|
mtompset |
could we add INSERT IGNORE instead of just INSERT for every one of them? |
| 03:41 |
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mtj |
meh.. great to set apache/ASF are running jira for all their projects too :/ |
| 03:42 |
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mtj |
s/set/see/ |
| 03:42 |
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rangi |
theyve always been opensource not free software people |
| 03:43 |
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rangi |
its a mysqlism mtompset |
| 03:43 |
|
rangi |
not standard ansi sql |
| 03:43 |
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rangi |
we probably shouldnt introduce those |
| 03:43 |
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mtompset |
Ah... we do have some of those in already. That's why I was asking. |
| 03:43 |
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rangi |
since we are going to have to move from mysql sooner or later when oracle totally borks it |
| 03:44 |
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mtompset |
good point. :) |
| 03:52 |
|
cjh |
and sometimes the errors can be a symptom of a problem, I think it is generally better to see them and choose to ignore them |
| 03:55 |
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mtompset |
From an end-user perspective, I'd much rather not see them. however, if they were logged somewhere, that would aid debugging. :) |
| 03:55 |
|
* eythian |
does not recommend the head-in-sand approach to upgrading |
| 03:55 |
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mtompset |
BTW, chr reinstall for the win. I can search for power again. :) |
| 03:56 |
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cjh |
mtompset: it is generally assumed that the person performing the upgrade is checking for errors, having them in a different place makes it less obvious |
| 03:57 |
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cjh |
it should be rare for a non-technical user to be seeing those errors :) |
| 03:59 |
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mtompset |
Hmm... Those assumptions make me curious as to how many people actually come here in the middle of an upgrade because of those mysql duplicate inserts "errors". |
| 04:00 |
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mtompset |
Well, I think I best be off. Meetings and more meetings tomorrow. |
| 04:01 |
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mtompset |
Thanks for the help figuring out what the cause of my zebra searching problems were. :) |
| 04:01 |
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mtompset |
rangi++ |
| 04:01 |
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mtompset |
eythian++ |
| 04:01 |
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mtompset |
mtj++ |
| 04:02 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :) |
| 04:03 |
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trea |
where is publication date going to be stored in the database? |
| 04:04 |
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eythian |
trea: the 260$c or the one in 008 or whatever it is? |
| 04:04 |
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trea |
ah, right. the 008 perhaps |
| 04:05 |
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eythian |
trick question, I don't think either of them are. |
| 04:06 |
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eythian |
though apparently 326$a goes into volumedesc which may be a date |
| 04:06 |
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trea |
mmm. i have an issue where searches by pubdate don't seem to be working. |
| 04:07 |
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cjh |
there is also a publisheddate on serial, although I doubt that is what you are looking for |
| 04:07 |
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trea |
i was wondering if might be related to bug 9368 |
| 04:07 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9368 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , specific behavior of yr and acqdate indexes |
| 04:07 |
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eythian |
trea: Is the date in 008 real? Often it's not. |
| 04:07 |
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eythian |
this is something we see a lot, particularly sorting a search by publication date. |
| 04:08 |
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trea |
that's what i'm wondering - if the date is erroneous, and needs to be populated from somewhere else. |
| 04:09 |
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eythian |
It ought to be added when cataloguing. The one is 260$c is free-form and so often not useful. |
| 04:09 |
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eythian |
*in |
| 04:13 |
|
eythian |
anyone know if Koha works with tinymce 3? We seem to be including tinymce2 which is 5+ years old and no longer maintained. |
| 04:14 |
|
* eythian |
finds out |
| 04:18 |
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cjh |
go eythian ! you can do it! |
| 04:22 |
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eythian |
good news: it does |
| 04:22 |
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eythian |
this means we don't need a separate package for wheezy and squeeze. |
| 04:23 |
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trea |
ooo |
| 04:27 |
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cjh |
confetti |
| 04:27 |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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mtj |
eythian++ thats awesome news |
| 04:39 |
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mtj |
oh fyi: remember the weird xsltproc error i had last week… it was caused by some glitchy chars in a bib :/ |
| 04:40 |
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eythian |
ah right, so not real UTF8 or something? |
| 04:40 |
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eythian |
surprised it got parsed at all in that case... |
| 04:40 |
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mtj |
yeah, some strange trailing chars, in the 245b sub-title field |
| 04:43 |
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mtj |
i never got round to finding out were the bib came from, and if the source record was glitched too |
| 04:43 |
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mtj |
i just edited the field, and teh problem solved |
| 04:46 |
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mtj |
hmm, i wonder if its possible to wrap that xsltproc code in a eval, so that it wouldnt be fatal? |
| 04:47 |
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eythian |
it probably would be, but you've also got to know how to handle the error at all. |
| 04:51 |
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mtj |
yeah, i can see that it might be tricky thing to do well |
| 04:54 |
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cjh |
koha packaging really is awesome |
| 05:03 |
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cjh |
evening cait :) |
| 05:07 |
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cait |
morning cjh :) |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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eythian |
I'm hoping to prepare a master package with Bug 10367 tomorrow, and possibly move it into the older packages too. |
| 05:35 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy |
| 05:35 |
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eythian |
but in the meantime, if anyone wants to experiment, that's where you do it. |
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cait |
eythian++ :) |
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alex_away |
hello |
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wahanui |
kai ora, alex_away |
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dcook |
hey #koha |
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dcook |
I was wondering why you all were so quiet today, and then I realize that my Xchat had froze hours ago...:p |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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dcook |
hey ya christophe_c |
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reiveune |
hello |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.8°C (8:40 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
hi dcook |
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cait |
glad it's thawed now |
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dcook |
salut reiveune, hey cait :) |
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dcook |
@wunder sydney, australia |
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huginn` |
dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (4:30 PM EST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
perfect weather for a long weekend *grump* |
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dcook |
That can't be right... |
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reiveune |
hi dcook, cait :) |
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* cait |
wll walk to work in the rain now... again |
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cait |
bbl |
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christophe_c |
hi dcook ;-) |
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dcook |
Comment allez-vous en France? |
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dcook |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn` |
dcook: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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asaurat |
hi! |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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amitgupta_ |
heya bag |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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dcook |
hey ya drojf |
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drojf |
hi dcook |
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dcook |
How's the day treating you so far? |
| 07:46 |
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drojf |
i overslept and feel like i haven't slept at all :D and you? |
| 07:47 |
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dcook |
Friend just cancelled on me (too much homework), so now I'm weighing up my options post-work. Torn between reading a book, Koha stuff, and updating my library technology blog... |
| 07:47 |
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dcook |
I'm thinking the book might be winning at the moment ;) |
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drojf |
:) |
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dcook |
En fait, I think it's time to head home |
| 07:52 |
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dcook |
Tempted to set up Postfix for my Koha at home...maybe tomorrow.. |
| 07:52 |
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dcook |
Have a good day, drojf (and everyone else!) |
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amitgupta_ |
bag around |
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amitgupta_ |
? |
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paul_p |
rangi about ? |
| 08:51 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 08:53 |
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paul_p |
rangi = do you think we need 1 full hour for koha history ? I think we can take one hour, but is it the best option ? |
| 08:53 |
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paul_p |
rangi = 2nd question: do we plan to show the movie you made for KohaCon10 (maybe updated for the last 3 years) ? |
| 08:54 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 08:54 |
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rangi |
i think now its 4 more years since 2009 and we took an hour then |
| 08:54 |
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rangi |
we have even more to cover |
| 08:54 |
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rangi |
so i think an hour will be about right |
| 08:54 |
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paul_p |
ok, then one hour including the movie is OK. I answer that I'm fine with 1 hour ;-) |
| 08:55 |
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rangi |
maybe 50 mins talking and updated moving |
| 08:55 |
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kf |
i think it's an important session :) |
| 08:55 |
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rangi |
movie |
| 08:55 |
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rangi |
its only boring for us cos we know it :-) |
| 08:55 |
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kf |
looking forward to see the 2 of you doing it :) |
| 08:55 |
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paul_p |
rangi lol ;-) |
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gaetan_B |
kf: hello :) do you have an idea why the "in transit from ..." string doesn't seem to be translatable ? |
| 09:01 |
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kf |
hm yes, because it was a bug... and i guess it should have been fixed even by now |
| 09:01 |
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kf |
i saw a patch for that |
| 09:03 |
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kf |
bug 10083 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface |
| 09:03 |
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gaetan_B |
ah yes |
| 09:03 |
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gaetan_B |
i guess i could sign off on this then :) |
| 09:04 |
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gaetan_B |
i'll have a look thanks ! |
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kf |
it's been pushed already |
| 09:04 |
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kf |
but only for intranet, not sure where you see it happen |
| 09:04 |
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kf |
should be in 3.12 |
| 09:04 |
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gaetan_B |
oh ok it's still in need signoff but that's for 3.10 |
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kf |
ah |
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kf |
makes sense |
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rangi |
im looking forward to gaetan_B's presentation |
| 09:31 |
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gaetan_B |
:D |
| 09:31 |
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gaetan_B |
i think there might have been some exageration or misunderstanding going on |
| 09:31 |
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gaetan_B |
but i'll try my best :D |
| 09:32 |
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rangi |
hehe |
| 09:32 |
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gaetan_B |
my idea was a presentation about koha project management in varied contexts, and trying to focus on the more exotic ones to make it funnier and have some interesting anecdotes to tell |
| 09:33 |
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gaetan_B |
but i like "funny stories" as a topic too |
| 09:33 |
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gaetan_B |
so |
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rangi |
:-) |
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gaetan_B |
challenge accepted |
| 09:33 |
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rangi |
someone had koha running on a playstation 2 |
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gaetan_B |
:D |
| 09:34 |
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gaetan_B |
i'll have a hard time coming up with something that crazy though ! |
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kf |
gaetan_B: looking forward to your presentation too :) |
| 09:36 |
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rangi |
who else from biblibre is coming? |
| 09:36 |
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rangi |
you and paul_p ? |
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paul_p |
rangi and fridolyn |
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rangi |
oh cool |
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paul_p |
so 3 of us (unless there's some financial problem, which is not expected ;-) ) |
| 09:38 |
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rangi |
after that i think only Joubu will be the only one i havent met? |
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paul_p |
rangi mmm... there are some newcomers you haven't met : sonia (support team) & corinne (librarian project manager, will replace francois that is moving to canada) |
| 09:41 |
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paul_p |
rangi and I think you haven't met Laurence (something like CTO) and Stéphane (Delaye, librarian project manager). Not sure you're met the other Stéphane (Delaune, migration specialist) |
| 09:42 |
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rangi |
hmm maybe not |
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kf |
rangi: you should come to marseille next year ;) |
| 09:43 |
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rangi |
oh i didnt know francharb was going to canada |
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rangi |
to quebec? |
| 09:43 |
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rangi |
he saw there are 2 koha jobs going in montreal eh? :-) |
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rangi |
kf: you need to tell my boss that :) |
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kf |
:) |
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cjh |
rangi: I cant seem to push to 3.8.x, I get Pushing to git://git.koha-community.org/koha |
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cjh |
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
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cjh |
I have tried from work and home with my new key added to ssh-agent |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
how are you pushing? |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
git push gitmaster git.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.8.x:3.8.x |
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rangi |
? |
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cjh |
ohhh derp, my kc remote has never pushed before so is wrong. this is what I get for pushing late at night :) |
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cjh |
ty :) |
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rangi |
no worries |
| 10:04 |
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cjh |
and all is well :) |
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rangi |
sweet |
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kf |
cjh++ rangi++ |
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cjh |
what is the proper protocol for asking for a patch to be rebased for 3.8.x? I just asked for bug 10178 and am wondering if I need to change a status or anything similar |
| 10:05 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
i just note on the bug |
| 10:08 |
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rangi |
like you did |
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cjh |
awesome, it didnt seem like there was an obvious status to use, ty. |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #318 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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cjh |
phewf |
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rangi |
right must be time for sleep |
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kf |
good ngiht rangi |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #318: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/318/ |
| 10:48 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt |
| 10:48 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Typo in subscription-add.tt (years vs year) |
| 10:48 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10191 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , 2 option tags are not closed in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt |
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druthb |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
druthb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 07:12 PM, September 25, 2009) |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.6°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising). |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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huginn` |
druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 24.4°C (5:52 AM CDT on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa. |
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samueld |
hi everybody |
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samueld |
we have a problem with our opac today. When we search, it gives no results. An idea? |
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kf |
is your zebrasrv process running? |
| 11:30 |
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samueld |
yes, no problem |
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samueld |
the professional search works fine |
| 11:35 |
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kf |
have you activated the opacsuppression ? |
| 11:35 |
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kf |
it's a system preference and might give you problems until you actually have a suppressed record |
| 11:36 |
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samueld |
no |
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kf |
same is true i think for some other 'hidden' things, like hiding lots or damaged items by pref |
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samueld |
I think i've found an interesting information in log |
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samueld |
when i look at koha-zebradaemon-output-log, i've the following message "[fatal] lock file /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [permission denied] |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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druthb |
hi, oleonard! |
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jcamins |
Good morning, oleonard! I have a question for you... |
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* oleonard |
reaches for the coffee |
| 12:15 |
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jcamins |
What do you think of this as a warning that an invoice number is duplicted: http://screencast.com/t/8IMSiTiFudLv |
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* druthb |
would prefer something more…direct. "What the ^@$%^ are you tryin' to do here?" |
| 12:17 |
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jcamins |
lol |
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* druthb |
is just evil like that. |
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oleonard |
Sorry jcamins, got interrupted here. |
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oleonard |
I think that looks good, based on my limited understanding of acquisitions |
| 12:24 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 12:24 |
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jcamins |
I was more concerned in terms of Koha look-and-feel. |
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oleonard |
No problems there. Although it looks like there is date format inconsistency. |
| 12:25 |
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jcamins |
Oh, yeah, I can fix that. |
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oleonard |
Dammit, IE10 installed itself without asking. |
| 12:30 |
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oleonard |
IE-- |
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jcamins |
IE-- |
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oleonard |
I guess I should be grateful that those people who actually use IE will get IE10 automatically. |
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oleonard |
I should consider this Microsoft's way of giving me permission to ignore older versions. |
| 12:31 |
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jcamins |
mtj: you know about the script that checks if each record is indexed, right? |
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druthb |
IE— # band-wagonning. |
| 12:32 |
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mtj |
heya jcamins, hmmm, no i didnt |
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jcamins |
mtj: yeah, that script might save you some time. :) |
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mtj |
i was thinking of a simple script that checked the perms on the various zebra files |
| 12:33 |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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mtj |
as a starter... |
| 12:33 |
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jcamins |
It doesn't do that, so I guess that won't save any time. |
| 12:33 |
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jcamins |
I tried... |
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mtj |
people bump into problems often with bad file perms for zebra |
| 12:35 |
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mtj |
...a simple script to detect that would be a quick win |
| 12:35 |
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jcamins |
They certainly do. |
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kf |
jcamins: why does your table have so many lines? |
| 12:38 |
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kf |
it looks mor like you are doing this based on aqorders than on aqinvoices? |
| 12:38 |
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jcamins |
kf: because "333" is what I always type when creating an invoice. |
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jcamins |
Nope. |
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kf |
k :) |
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kf |
also you have a capitalization error there :P |
| 12:39 |
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kf |
invoice No. |
| 12:39 |
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jcamins |
Ooh, thanks! |
| 12:39 |
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jcamins |
I missed that. |
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kf |
you are welcome :) |
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kf |
i am terrible about consistency.... oleonard - sorry for all the bugs |
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oleonard |
kf: Bugs? |
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wahanui |
Bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release |
| 12:40 |
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kf |
oleonard: i filed lots and some of them went to you by default... it's not a problem if you haven't noticed yet :) |
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druthb |
wahanui: botsnack chocolate-covered ants |
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wahanui |
thanks druthb :) |
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kf |
druthb: i want some too! |
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druthb |
kfsnack cookie |
| 12:41 |
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kf |
i have heard ants taste nutty |
| 12:42 |
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druthb |
you're welcome to my share, then. |
| 12:42 |
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druthb |
ick ick ick... |
| 12:42 |
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kf |
hehe |
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kf |
do you really have some? |
| 12:42 |
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druthb |
no. I hear that insects are a valuable source of protein in much of the world—I'm glad it's not a routine part of *my* diet. |
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dcook |
I could see ants possibly being good in chocolate... |
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kf |
dcook: go to bed! |
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Dyrcona |
chocolate covered chocolate.....mmmmmm..... |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
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kf |
yeah how can something chocolate covered be wrong? :) |
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kf |
well ok... there might be options to get it wrong |
| 12:49 |
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dcook |
kf: It's only 10:49pm! |
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khall |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ = http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10374 |
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huginn` |
Bug 10374: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Clean up and unify CircControl related code |
| 12:49 |
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dcook |
Slowly but surely getting my home Koha set up the way I want it :) |
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khall |
mornin kf et al! |
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dcook |
morning khall |
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dcook |
Errr late evening! |
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khall |
heh |
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kf |
hi khall |
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dcook |
Yay...allowed a little hole through my firewall so I can access Koha on my LAN from my laptop... |
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dcook |
Slowly but surely, I'll get this networking thing :p |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
samueld: the error youshowed earlier probably means that the permissions are the problem |
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kf |
i got distracted, sorry |
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samueld |
<kf> i've checked the ownership but not the permissions. |
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kf |
normally it's the ownership |
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kf |
it shoudl be owned by your koha/zebra user |
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samueld |
yes, i've made chown -R /home/koha |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
have you been looking at the right files? |
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kf |
how is your installation set up? |
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kf |
is it a git installation? |
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samueld |
<kf> it's a git install |
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kf |
the zebra files would be duplicated in that case, and the one being used are normally in a directory like /home/koha-dev |
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kf |
hm home/koha/koha-dev... or something like that |
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samueld |
it's in /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb |
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kf |
hm, that's a bit weird for a git installation |
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samueld |
i think but not sure |
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kf |
hmright I see that it says it shoudl be there |
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kf |
/home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid |
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kf |
have you checked if that path and the file do exist? |
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samueld |
yes, path and file are ok |
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kf |
samueld: hm sorry, running out of ideas |
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kf |
but for a git install the path is still irritating me |
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samueld |
<kf> no,this is not a problem of path and we had until today no problems |
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dcook |
Huzzah...figured out how to use the ServerName directive (coupled with etc/hosts) to access Koha (on the LAN) using textual names rather than IP addresses. Yayyy. |
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dcook |
DNS another day... |
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* dcook |
is heading to bed |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011) |
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druthb |
lulz |
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kf |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
kf: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010) |
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druthb |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
druthb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:08 AM, November 14, 2009) |
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* druthb |
blinks |
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oleonard |
rhcl: tip: don't pet a burning dog. |
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rhcl |
ah, alll righty then....no pet burning dogs. |
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rhcl |
well, good morning #koha |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]87dae10364537ed6f> |
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rambutan1 |
can a sysop kick "rhcl" and "rambutan" plz? |
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druthb |
never know when a spare rambutan will come in handy... |
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oleonard |
Especially considering how hard they are to come by. |
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rambutan1 |
I really don't like the thunderbird chat client. I don't have it open, but somehow it keeps and retains logins, and I can't "quit" out of it |
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rambutan1 |
ok, that got one of 'em |
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oleonard |
rambutan1: Is the Thunderbird chat client Chatzilla? You can run that as a standalone if you want. |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1206 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]931af14c505dcdf0a> / Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]17d95f957c4af50d4> |
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rambutan1 |
I don't know if it is or not, might be. It's strange because slash quit doesn't seem to do anything, and even if you close the chat tab the logins remain |
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oleonard |
Chatzilla has been my favorite IRC client for ages. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10367 - update the rules and control file for wheezy <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d004786fe05629d81> |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9773 - Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]60a80f51bcee8a23d> |
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tcohen |
got my visa #koha |
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tcohen |
:-D |
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oleonard |
Great news tcohen |
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tcohen |
thanks oleonard |
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drojf |
"2) Test with Internet Explorer" is a rather unfortunate detail of a test plan |
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druthb |
3) Beat head against wall |
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drojf |
:) |
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druthb |
4) Curse Micro$oft |
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drojf |
hi druthb |
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druthb |
5) Document, "This doesn't work with IE. Of course." |
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jenkins_koha |
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* Galen Charlton: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT |
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* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10359 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , CCSR theme should apply jqTransform after OpacUserJS |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9763 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add callnumber column to "print summary" for moremember.pl |
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pianohacker |
'allo |
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cait |
hi pianohacker :) |
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pianohacker |
hey cait |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ :) |
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gmcharlt |
hi cait, pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt! |
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wahanui |
somebody said gmcharlt was an expert in all things library technology. |
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pianohacker |
indeed |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: What are you up to these days, anyway? |
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oleonard |
He's busy benevolently ruling over us all |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
he is RM, he does not have time to be up to anything! :P |
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pianohacker |
even benevolent dictators need a hobby ;) |
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* cait |
runs out to shop some spaghetti sauce ingredients :) |
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pianohacker |
ooh, homemade spaghetti sauce |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: oh, mostly exploring the new neighborhood (AKA Seattle) |
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pianohacker |
*drool* |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: Nice! Why the move? |
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gmcharlt |
Marlene got a job at Seattle Public |
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pianohacker |
very nice |
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rambutan1 |
I hear they have coffee in Seattle. |
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pianohacker |
and rain, but apparently the coffee's so good it makes up for the weather |
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pianohacker |
which is saying something |
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rambutan1 |
Yea, the few times I've passed through Seattle I was never able to see that big hill they have there due to the fog, clouds and rain |
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rambutan1 |
but everything sure was green |
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gmcharlt |
yes, it was quite a revelation one day when we were driving south on I-5 |
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gmcharlt |
... MOUNTAIN |
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gmcharlt |
(first clear day in quite a while, of course) |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: By the way, Koha history question. Who do we have to thank for our zebra configs? Even just a simple bit of poking at pazpar2 has been... painful to say the least, can't imagine the work involved in getting something as complex as Zebra happy |
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bag |
http://google.org/publicalerts[…]905fc95&source=fb |
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* bag |
went through his first earthquake this morning |
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druthb |
whoa! |
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druthb |
wahanui: blame? |
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wahanui |
I blame gmcharlt; he's the RM, after all. |
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pianohacker |
usgs earthquake team woot woot |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: checking ... I have a suspicion |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: thanks! |
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bag |
Who needs coffee when you get an earthquake like that? |
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* oleonard |
has an air-tight alibi |
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druthb |
any damage in your area, bag? |
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bag |
no damage reported |
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bag |
a few things fell off the shelves here - but nothing broke |
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druthb |
tha's good. |
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bag |
both Aloo and Ginny were pretty excited - like WHAT JUST HAPPENED? |
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druthb |
hey! Isn't Ginny coming up on a birthday? |
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druthb |
Enjoy it while she's little, bag—I just put my minion on a plane to DC to visit friends for the week, and then she's getting back, and starting to plan her moving out. |
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bag |
very soon June 20th |
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bag |
awwhh too fast :) |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: thought so |
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pianohacker |
oh? |
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bag |
kados |
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gmcharlt |
based on textual evidence, it originated from the marc21.abs distributed with Zebra itself |
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druthb |
First time Lindsey's flown alone. I dropped her at Hobby, got out and hugged her…she got her bag, then stopped and hugged me again. |
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bag |
that's sweet druthb |
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gmcharlt |
of course, with a ton of subsequent updates, including from (yes) kados, as well as slef and rch |
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gmcharlt |
and quite a lot of help and discussion with the IndexData folks |
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gmcharlt |
bag: there has been at least one occassion where I've known that an earthquake has happened because my cats started growling for no apparent reason |
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bag |
ha |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt++ |
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druthb |
"When you find yourself in the company of a halfling and an ill-tempered dragon, remember, you do not have to outrun the dragon…" (spotted on a t-shirt here at cPanel) |
| 16:55 |
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gmcharlt |
druthb: dragons only eat appetizers and never move on to the main course? ;) |
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pianohacker |
just hope that halflings are chewy :) |
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druthb |
Crunchy, and good with ketchup. |
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druthb |
gmcharlt, you pose an interesting question…let's ask a halfling. bag still around? |
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druthb |
Hm. Maybe he got eaten by a dragon. |
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druthb |
tsk |
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oleonard |
How careless. |
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* pianohacker |
laughs the quiet giggle of someone whose bossman is being harassed |
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druthb |
he gets too bossy, pianohacker, just smack him with a trout or something. |
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bag |
I'm still here |
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* druthb |
loox innocent |
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bag |
sweet t-shirt |
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pianohacker |
druthb: I'm not sure you know how :P |
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druthb |
There are a *lot* of ThinkGeek fans around here. |
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druthb |
I'm trying to pick out a couple of new tees from there, m'self, just for funsies. Might wear some of 'em at KohaCon. |
| 17:04 |
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druthb |
like "Any fool can use a computer. Many do." |
| 17:04 |
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pianohacker |
hah! excellent |
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pianohacker |
I'm _really_ tempted to try and make a small hole in my semester for a nevada road trip |
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druthb |
dooo eeet |
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druthb |
Ooh. "Either you like bacon, or you're wrong." <3 |
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pianohacker |
druthb: My mom, after 15 years of vegetarianism, doesn't miss any meat |
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pianohacker |
... except bacon :) |
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druthb |
seeeee? |
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pianohacker |
she has to leave the kitchen when my dad and I cook it |
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druthb |
pianohacker:http://www.fivefingertees.com/[…]amid-t-shirt.html |
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oleonard |
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f20f/ |
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druthb |
lol. "Come to the dork side…we have <symbol:pi>" |
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Dyrcona |
lol |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
* Robin Sheat: Bug 10367 - update the rules and control file for wheezy |
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* Owen Leonard: Bug 9773 - Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9773 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery |
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jcamins |
@librarian |
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huginn` |
jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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jcamins |
Hm. Guess huginn doesn't have that plugin. |
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oleonard |
What were you expecting jcamins? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: in #evergreen that rolls you a librarian character for DND. |
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cait |
oooh |
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cait |
*want* |
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jcamins |
Join #evergreen and you can have it. ;) |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
tryingto get rid of me? :) |
| 17:49 |
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* jcamins |
is on #evergreen. |
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cait |
morning rangi? |
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gmcharlt |
@librarian |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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gmcharlt |
hmm |
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gmcharlt |
@dnd |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: strength:11 dexterity:11 constitution:7 intelligence:9 wisdom:15 charisma:9 |
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pianohacker |
excellent :) |
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pianohacker |
@dnd |
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huginn` |
pianohacker: strength:9 dexterity:17 constitution:13 intelligence:7 wisdom:13 charisma:17 |
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gmcharlt |
@librarian |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:11, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:11, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:9 |
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jcamins |
Woohoo! |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt++ |
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jcamins |
@librarian |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Management:7, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:9, Reference:13, Circulation:11, Systems:7, Research:15, Custodial:15 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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jcamins |
That's wrong. |
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jcamins |
Acquisitions should be -5000000. |
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drojf |
@librarian |
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huginn` |
drojf: Management:11, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:14, Reference:7, Circulation:14, Systems:11, Research:17, Custodial:12 |
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drojf |
there is no "marc bashing"? |
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jcamins |
lol |
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jcamins |
@developer |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Communication:17, BigPicture:6, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:13, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:11, JavaAvoidance:11 |
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jcamins |
^^ there's JavaAvoidance. |
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drojf |
lol |
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cait |
@librariandeveloper :P |
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huginn` |
cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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cait |
@librarian |
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huginn` |
cait: Management:10, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:10, Reference:5, Circulation:11, Systems:10, Research:9, Custodial:14 |
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cait |
no double classes? |
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cait |
@developer |
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huginn` |
cait: Communication:18, BigPicture:10, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:12, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:10, JavaAvoidance:12 |
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cait |
detailoriented 15 yay! |
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pianohacker |
@developer |
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huginn` |
pianohacker: Communication:12, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:15, GetsStuffDone:16, FlakeFactor:16, JavaAvoidance:16 |
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pianohacker |
oh wow |
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pianohacker |
dice_superstition++ |
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cait |
oh wow |
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cait |
@developer |
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huginn` |
cait: Communication:9, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:18, GetsStuffDone:13, FlakeFactor:7, JavaAvoidance:10 |
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pianohacker |
java-- |
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pianohacker |
@karma java |
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huginn` |
pianohacker: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5. |
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pianohacker |
good |
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pianohacker |
though |
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pianohacker |
@karma perl |
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huginn` |
pianohacker: Karma for "perl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
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pianohacker |
haha perfect |
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druthb |
perldancer++ |
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rangi |
mtj-- #starting the livedvd madness again |
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* rangi |
deletes that thread unread |
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bag |
hey rangi - earthquake this morning in SB |
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rangi |
big one? |
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bag |
4.6 - big for me :) |
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bag |
no damage - just some things knocked off the shelves |
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rangi |
yeah 4 is pretty decent |
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rangi |
if its not deep |
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* cait |
waves |
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pianohacker |
8 km deep according to USGS: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ear[…]i15350729#summary |
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rangi |
yeah that would be shaky |
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jcamins |
Again? |
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jcamins |
Good grief. |
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mtj |
i have to confess… the thought of actually discussing the topic during the meeting, is just as inane as reading about it on the list |
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oleonard |
What do you think can be accomplished at the meeting mtj? |
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mtj |
i might quit while i'm ahead, and remove it from the meeting agenda |
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rangi |
mtj++ #i was just being a dick |
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rangi |
but yeah, i dont think more discussion will result in anything |
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bag |
just being a deck :P |
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mtj |
bag, thats the aussies - kiwis are ducks |
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bag |
:) |
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mtj |
oleonard, i was hoping for a focused discussion on how we might support a livedvd, during the meeting |
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oleonard |
Support in what way? Technical support? |
| 19:50 |
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mtj |
yep, all of that complex stuff |
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mtj |
where to log bugs, where to send patches, etc... |
| 19:51 |
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rangi |
to vimal |
| 19:51 |
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mtj |
would we need a git repo for the livedvd? |
| 19:51 |
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rangi |
basically id just say we dont support it |
| 19:51 |
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oleonard |
Yeah, the essence of the issue is that none of us want to deal with it. |
| 19:51 |
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oleonard |
Vimal wants to make one, so Vimal gets all the jobs. |
| 19:52 |
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oleonard |
Not sure what there is to discuss. |
| 19:55 |
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mtj |
i honestly dont think Vimal is aware of these issues |
| 19:55 |
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gmcharlt |
that would be a problem ... if it's an "official" LiveDVD, we shouldn't let it get divorced from the main project |
| 19:56 |
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mtj |
... so the meeting could have been a good time for various people to make those various points |
| 19:56 |
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oleonard |
mtj: Not aware that we don't all want to field questions about the LiveDVD? |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., I'd want to see LiveDVD users use the normal channels for reporting bugs, but that of course implies that the LiveDVD is constructed to not diverge too far |
| 19:56 |
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pianohacker |
Is there a precedent for generating translatable formatted strings in OPAC JS? |
| 19:57 |
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mtj |
lol, yes Owen, thats the best theory i have :) |
| 19:57 |
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oleonard |
pianohacker: Check doc-head-close.inc |
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jcamins |
I think everyone who actively provides support in the community has pretty conclusively stated that their support for the livecd ends before it gets used for production. |
| 19:57 |
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jcamins |
Period. |
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jcamins |
Full stop. |
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jcamins |
(that's all she wrote) |
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csharp |
EOF |
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jcamins |
csharp: wow, that's weird. Usually I see you on other channels. :) |
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csharp |
heh - yep - I lurk in here too |
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gmcharlt |
history.txt: 2015-01-13: #everkoha is started on FreeOFTC |
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jcamins |
lol |
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Dyrcona |
kohagreen |
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pianohacker |
Dyrcona: Hrm, echoes of /r/trees :) |
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rangi |
eeek |
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cait |
eek? |
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* rangi |
understands only oracle and koha in that spanish email |
| 20:06 |
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rangi |
but that's enough to make me run far far away |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
instalado 3.4 ... |
| 20:07 |
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pianohacker |
rangi: thankfully, it's only a migration from some... thing on oracle to koha |
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rangi |
ahh |
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rangi |
i forgot you speak spanish |
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* cait |
thiks pianohacker is right |
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rangi |
handy :)( |
| 20:07 |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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rangi |
-( |
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cait |
pianohacker: did they really install 3.4? |
| 20:07 |
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rangi |
cya oleonard |
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pianohacker |
rangi: just a bit |
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gmcharlt |
cait: yep |
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pianohacker |
cuban_mom++ |
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cait |
hm |
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* cait |
volunteers pianohacker to answer :P |
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pianohacker |
cait: yeah, that's what it looks like |
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rangi |
i met pianohacker's mom |
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gmcharlt |
I suspect that they might have been running the 3.4 system for a while, but now want to migrate data from this Oracle DB |
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pianohacker |
oh, man. I can give it a shot |
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rangi |
<-- claim to fame |
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pianohacker |
rangi: hahaha that's right |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: go for it. beats me have to start my response with "I apologize for responding in English..." |
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rangi |
:) |
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pianohacker |
17-year-old me: "Mom, I'm gonna fly to Texas by myself and meet Koha people!" "... hell no you're not" |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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rangi |
ahh hugo answered |
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mtj |
i had a goofy idea recently… using pootle to build marc.sql files, for various languages |
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rangi |
pianohacker: heheh you drove down in the end eh? |
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pianohacker |
yup, less than a month after I got my driver's permit |
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rangi |
:) |
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pianohacker |
she had so much fun on that drive |
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rangi |
hugo++ # great answer |
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jcamins |
mtj: even better would be not using raw SQL for frameworks. |
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pianohacker |
yup, that's good. still think it's worth a spanish response? |
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rangi |
hmm not sure |
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mtj |
jcamins, yes, ultimately |
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cait |
pianohacker: my mom was very disappointed when i told her - guess she expected me to take her too :) |
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rangi |
pianohacker: https://secure.flickr.com/phot[…]ngard/3447508010/ |
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cait |
oh i found liz and daniel |
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JoeLib001 |
I got an interesting request from our cataloger. She wants to know, if I can make Koha not return the 942, 952, and 999 fields in a Z39.50 query. |
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pianohacker |
haha, mustaches-and-glasses, oh man |
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pianohacker |
wonder if my mom's in there somewhe |
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JoeLib001 |
Is there an option in Koha to do that? |
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JoeLib001 |
I haven't been able to find one anyways. |
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jcamins |
JoeLib001: I'd suggest you say "no," and leave it at that. |
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jcamins |
There is no functionality built into Koha. |
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pianohacker |
cait: haha, two plane tickets might be more than the gas from colorado to texas |
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rangi |
pianohacker: couldnt spot her |
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cait |
pianohacker: she will get over it eventually :) |
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rangi |
ok time to take my son to school |
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rangi |
bbl |
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JoeLib001 |
jcamins: Ok, thanks. :-) |
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gmcharlt |
JoeLib001: though it *is* possible with some fiddling of the Zebra config (or possibly via sticking metaproxy in front of it) |
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rhcl |
@seen wizzyrea |
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mtj |
a quick show of hands here, people - do folks want to discuss the dvd next #irc meeting? |
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huginn` |
rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 20 hours and 5 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> :) |
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mtj |
yes/no? |
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jcamins |
-1 |
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mtj |
-1 |
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gmcharlt |
mtj: -1, unless (a) Vimal actually wants the discussion and (b) we are aiming to come to resolution rather than discussing for the sake of discussing |
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gmcharlt |
JoeLib001: but in practice, running with jcamins answer is also fine :) |
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JoeLib001 |
gmcharlt: Thanks for that too. :-) |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ # being as wise as his dnd character |
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JoeLib001 |
Possible, but not without it's own problems. I don't have the brain power to devote to it, if it's not built into Koha either. ;-) Too much on my plate as it is. XD |
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jcamins |
^^ why I suggested you say "no" and not explain. ;) |
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JoeLib001 |
: Works on Circulation, Periodicals, and now Acquisitions. Along with support of Koha / IT stuff. XD |
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jcamins |
Way too many other things to do. |
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gmcharlt |
@librarian |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:17, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:15, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:11 |
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gmcharlt |
missing category: Multi-tasking |
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JoeLib001 |
Hehehehe |
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mtj |
gmcharlt, thats probably going to be a 'no' on both of those points :) |
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JoeLib001 |
I'm am a Paraprofessional, I think is the term. ;-) |
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JoeLib001 |
Yeah...., - the 'm |
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JoeLib001 |
Could be known and Cheap and Dumb. XD |
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JoeLib001 |
Yeah, ok. Already too long of a day. ;-) |
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* libsysguy |
storms the channel |
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pianohacker |
hey, longer you're here, the more you know and the less cheap you get ;) |
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pianohacker |
hey libsysguy |
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wahanui |
libsysguy is koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck |
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cait |
hi libsysguy |
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libsysguy |
hey pianohacker and cait :) |
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libsysguy |
long time no see |
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cait |
how are things? |
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libsysguy |
they are good |
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libsysguy |
doing a lot of code |
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libsysguy |
surprisingly its much easier to code something when you have a firm grasp on the concepts behind it :p |
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JoeLib001 |
Hehe. ;-) |
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libsysguy |
also, tools, tools, and more tools |
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cait |
:) |
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libsysguy |
anybody here going to YAPC this year? |
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bag |
heya libsysguy |
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wahanui |
libsysguy is, like, koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck |
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libsysguy |
heya bag |
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bag |
libsysguy: we had an earthquake today |
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libsysguy |
i saw your status on fb |
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bag |
HA I'm telling everyone I know |
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libsysguy |
eveybody okay? |
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bag |
yup |
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bag |
just a little "shook" up |
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libsysguy |
ba dump *psh* |
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pianohacker |
libsysguy: what specifically are you working on? |
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libsysguy |
currently or just in general? |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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libsysguy |
currently a data migration for some internal systems, but in general building perl web-apps for internal cPanel use |
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bag |
libsysguy: I say you again the other day - you got a haircut this time - so you don't look like such a hippie anymore :D |
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bag |
s/say/saw |
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libsysguy |
you know me man, always letting my hippie flag fly |
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pianohacker |
libsysguy: both sound pretty good. yay perl :) |
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libsysguy |
yeah I'm trying to use Mojo for async connections |
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libsysguy |
the difficult part is trying to find a persistence layer that is non-blocking |
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pianohacker |
heh, tough in any language |
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libsysguy |
indeed it is |
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libsysguy |
especially node :p |
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bag |
stinky farts - from the dog under the desk :P |
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libsysguy |
aww the earthquake scared him |
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libsysguy |
or he's retaliating :p |
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bag |
yeah it got him excited |
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bag |
I think it was the chicken bones he ate the other night - dumbass |
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talljoy |
egad bag. i can't even come into #koha to get away from your stinky ass dog |
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talljoy |
there is no safe place |
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bag |
my dog is a lover |
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talljoy |
libsysguy i've got a cataloging question for the marc fans out there. just giving you fair warning. |
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* libsysguy |
runs away |
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talljoy |
if i have a manuscript that was written on a date and then it is revised on a later date, where do the dates go? repeated 260 or 245 subfield? |
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talljoy |
i warned you! |
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bag |
jcamins ^^^ |
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talljoy |
gmcharlt ^ |
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bag |
eythian ^^^ |
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bag |
raises you another :P |
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rhcl |
talljoy speaks? |
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talljoy |
lol |
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libsysguy |
only when she has MARC questions :p |
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talljoy |
pfft |
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talljoy |
i could put an RDA spin on that question if you like. |
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cjh |
morning #koha |
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pianohacker |
talljoy: hey now, that's not nice |
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gmcharlt |
@marc 245 f |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created. |
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pianohacker |
repeated tag or subfield? |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: 245$f is NR |
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talljoy |
you don't repeat the 245 |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: ah, okay |
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gmcharlt |
talljoy: to be clear, I'm pretty sure it's the 245$f for manuscripts |
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talljoy |
would you note that it was revised anywhere? |
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bag |
@marc 245f |
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huginn` |
bag: unknown tag 245f |
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jcamins |
245$f. |
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jcamins |
1800-1845. |
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wahanui |
-45 |
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bag |
@marc 245$f |
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huginn` |
bag: unknown tag 245$f |
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cjh |
:o |
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cjh |
wahanui can do math? |
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wahanui |
cjh: i don't know |
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bag |
heh I give up |
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cait |
@marc 245f |
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huginn` |
cait: unknown tag 245f |
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cait |
@marc 245 f |
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huginn` |
cait: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created. |
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cait |
ah |
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jcamins |
And then the appropriate 5xx note. |
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talljoy |
long live the 5xx tags they are my favorite. |
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jcamins |
That's what I'd do. |
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jcamins |
Well... |
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jcamins |
Actually, that depends. |
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jcamins |
When you say "revised" you mean that there are MS amendations to an earlier MS, yes? |
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cait |
now the expert is talking |
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talljoy |
well revised as in..... i wrote this script in 1990. then when I got a job to put it on, I revised the script slightly in 1996 |
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jcamins |
Ummm... |
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talljoy |
so i could argue they are really two things |
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jcamins |
hm. |
| 21:12 |
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talljoy |
but.....for this particular application that might blow their minds. |
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pianohacker |
edition info tags? |
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jcamins |
So the entire typescript(?) was rekeyed in 1996? |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: what is this edition you speak of for manuscripts? |
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cait |
talljoy: so it's not an old hand written thing but something else? |
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talljoy |
no jcamins the entire thing wasn't rekeyed. perhaps certain acts were reworked |
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gmcharlt |
(i.e., some concepts like edition and publication date don't apply cleanly, or at all, for manuscripts) |
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* cait |
is confused now |
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pianohacker |
interesting, okay |
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pianohacker |
cataloging++ |
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jcamins |
In that case, yes, 245$f1990-1996. |
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talljoy |
okay. i will give them my thoughts with ^ that as the preferred cataloging method. |
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talljoy |
sorry for the marc interruption libsysguy you can come back now |
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* libsysguy |
peeks |
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talljoy |
all clear! |
| 21:16 |
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talljoy |
bring out the FRBR now |
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libsysguy |
now FRBR I can talk about |
| 21:17 |
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libsysguy |
RDA is just FRBR's hacky realization |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: RDA = FRBR - Functional |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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jcamins |
And - Requirements |
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jcamins |
And, while we're at it, they don't really do Bibliographic either. |
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libsysguy |
RDA = MARC v1.1 |
| 21:23 |
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gmcharlt |
But (to the dismay of the Linked Data folks) RDA does do "records" :) |
| 21:23 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: yup. |
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libsysguy |
I was thinking about marc data the other day, wound't it make sense to store that in a document non-relational store? |
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libsysguy |
I know…its weird that I was thinking about MARC by choice |
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libsysguy |
specifically MongoDB? |
| 21:32 |
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pianohacker |
libsysguy: would probably work better than the two approaches Koha has tried, from massive normalized-ish row-for-every-subfield MySQL tables to "to hell with it, store the whole marcxml blob" |
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libsysguy |
*sigh* blobs |
| 21:34 |
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libsysguy |
I guess you could store the marc blob in a NoSQL db and everything else in an RDBMS |
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pianohacker |
yeah. thanks to some xml-processing tools built into MySQL and excellent CPAN/Zebra support, the latter is working _much_ better than the former, but it's still maybe not ideal |
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pianohacker |
plus, we kind of do, if you treat zebra as a db with one hell of a search engine :P |
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libsysguy |
well anytime you can let a binary handle parsing for you its much better |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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gmcharlt |
I'm not sure what storing the blob in a separate NoSQL DB would gain us, considering the MySQL can store the blob well enough and Zebra/Solr can make in searchable |
| 21:36 |
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libsysguy |
usually the NoSQL db's have full text indexing so you kind of get a two for one |
| 21:36 |
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libsysguy |
but…I don't think you have facet control |
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libsysguy |
and on that note, I'm off |
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libsysguy |
later guys |
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pianohacker |
libsysguy: yeah, that's the thing. the lack of good support for facets and good specific-field searching/relevant ranking make most search engines fall down |
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pianohacker |
it's why we deal with IndexData's documentation :P |
| 21:37 |
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pianohacker |
but bye :) |
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* wizzyrea |
blinks |
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wizzyrea |
a libsysguy sighting! |
| 21:45 |
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pianohacker |
indeed |
| 21:46 |
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pianohacker |
and a wizzyrea sighting :) |
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cjh |
they happen daily, the wizzyrea is common in these parts. |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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* wizzyrea |
would love to get libsysguy, cjh, and pianohacker in a real room together. It would be epic. |
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cjh |
*real* room, as in, offline? that sounds dangerous. |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
might be dangerous? |
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cait |
:) |
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* cjh |
has heard libsysguys are dangerous when cornered |
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wizzyrea |
libsysguy? |
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wizzyrea |
aww |
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cjh |
wizzyrea: -!- libsysguy [~libsysguyc-98-198-83-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has left #koha [] :( |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
I'm back with a question about the report you all helped me with last week. You told me to look for the location value of the Hidden for OPAC in Authorized Values -> Location. Does anyone happen to know what it would be under in there? |
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wizzyrea |
they are user configured - we'd have no idea |
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wizzyrea |
sorry :( |
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wizzyrea |
if you know of an item that is hidden, and look at it |
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wizzyrea |
it will tell you |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: hmm. I don't know. I think libsysguy and I would either love each other or drive each other up a wall :) |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Dang, okay. Maybe I can get help from ByWater. How would an item that is hidden tell me? |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
I mean, would I look at the items stats in cataloging or somewhere else? |
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wizzyrea |
you would look at the item, probably in edit items |
| 21:56 |
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wizzyrea |
which library are you from? |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
One from The Valnet Consortium. |
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wizzyrea |
oh right - you told me that ages ago |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, I've slept since then :) |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
kai ora, eythian |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Under edit items... |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
It says c - Shelving Location and has a selection list where "Hidden from OPAC" is chosen. |
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wizzyrea |
looks like the description for items.location contains Hidden from OPAC |
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rangi |
kai ora? |
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rangi |
eat life? |
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rangi |
wahanui is a zombie |
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cait |
oh lol |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Okay, so I'm trying to modify the Bibs Marked On Order report to give me all items marked hidden from OPAC. So what would I be looking for to put in the "where items.location = ' ? ' " line? |
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eythian |
whatever the authorised value code for "Hidden from OPAC" is |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Right, that's what I'm asking how to find... Lol |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
I was told to look for that code under Administration -> Authorized Values -> Location, but what am I looking for once I get to location? |
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cait |
i gues syu don't have access to the administration module? |
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cait |
try to write yourself a report: |
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wizzyrea |
she can't |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
no reports either? |
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cait |
is the loc searchable in advanced search in the staff interface? |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
i mean can you search that hidden in opac? |
| 22:22 |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Search how? And he... Lol |
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eythian |
YoungPublicLibrarian: you go there, and it'll give you a list of them all |
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wizzyrea |
it's hidden from the opac. |
| 22:23 |
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wizzyrea |
she doesn't have rights to do any of that. |
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eythian |
one of them will be the code for "hidden from the opac" |
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eythian |
well someone has to go there, or it's simply not possible |
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wizzyrea |
^^^ |
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cait |
wizzyrea: if location is searchable in staff advanced search... |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
I can't go there, that's 9/10 of the problem... And Wizzyrea, I is male... Lol |
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cait |
they migt have hidden the LOC value from opac but not from staff |
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wizzyrea |
ah sorry |
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cait |
i wonder if you can see it in the source code of the add item screen |
| 22:24 |
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cait |
probably you can |
| 22:24 |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
How would I search it through the staff interface? |
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eythian |
cait: that's a good idea |
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eythian |
it'd probably work |
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cait |
years of being creative in things like that :P |
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wizzyrea |
actually yea, ctrl-u on the add items page |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Ooh! I like that idea. So go to the add item screen and view the page source, looking for the Hidden from OPAC terms? |
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eythian |
yeah |
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wizzyrea |
it'll probably be the value |
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eythian |
and it'll be something like <option value="CODE">Hidden from OPAC</option> |
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eythian |
or similar |
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cjh |
cait++ |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
I'm trying it now. Give me a sec... And thanks for finding a work around! |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Okay, it says (<option value="HIDDEN">Hidden from OPAC</option>") So would "HIDDEN" be the code I'm looking for? |
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eythian |
jup |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Sweet! Thanks everyone! You guys have been a huge help! |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
One more question... If I wanted to add the collection code to what the report displays, what would I have to do to the report? |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
The report I'm modifying is the Bibs Marked On Order report from the report library. Just wondering how complicated it would be to add collection code to what the report returns when run... |
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wizzyrea |
probably a matter of adding items.ccode to your select |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Ooh! I like when things are that easy! |
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wizzyrea |
(but i didn't read the report) |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Okay, thanks again! |
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pianohacker |
good night |
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wahanui |
I'll be waiting for you to come back, pianohacker. |
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pianohacker |
O_O |
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pianohacker |
aughhh run away |
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eythian |
http://www.theonering.net/torw[…]is-91st-birthday/ <-- \m/ |
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trea |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
hehehehehe |
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wizzyrea |
"a heavy metal album based on the life of the French ruler Charlemagne." |
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trea |
reminds me of the time iron maiden did rime of the ancient mariner |
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cait |
good night all :) |
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eythian |
cait is going to put some nice heavy metal on to go to sleep to. |
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trea |
give me a heavy metal album worthy of mordor |
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eythian |
well, it is sung by Sauruman... |
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rangi |
christopher lee is awesome |
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trea |
one does simply shred into mordor |
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trea |
ad infinitum |
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rangi |
apropos the spanish email this morning |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]en_Debian_Squeeze |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #126 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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eythian |
it's odd in that half of many sentences is translated |
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rangi |
yeah working their way through it still |
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rangi |
more everyday |
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eythian |
that makes sense |
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rangi |
http://www.hipop-eration.com/ |
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rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvXxzI50cZg |
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rangi |
i love this :) |
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eythian |
I bet it's no Christopher Lee though :) |
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eythian |
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re[…]/130528143623.htm <-- "Beer-Pouring Robot Programmed to Anticipate Human Actions" |
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rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]&feature=youtu.be |
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rangi |
its pretty fun |
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wizzyrea |
that is super silly |
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rangi |
yep |
