IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-29

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00:00 cjh eythian++
00:00 gmcharlt eythian++
00:00 jcamins I think we should just install our own libc with Koha.
00:00 wizzyrea i think he could benefit a lot from trolling us in real time.
00:00 eythian it better be µlibc, none of this big bloated stuff!
00:01 jcamins Or vmlinuz.
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00:02 gmcharlt might be dangerous
00:02 gmcharlt best to delete it
00:02 jeff can't read it, don't trust it, better rm it.
00:02 rangi heh
00:03 rangi jeff: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]3-May/039407.html
00:03 rangi for context
00:04 jeff thanks. i need to re-up my subscriptions.
00:17 jeff 2128 new objects since last git pull. looks like it's been a while.
00:19 wizzyrea :)
00:24 mtj hey peeps, can anyone get a cron sorted to rebuild Koha's schema page?
00:25 * mtj thinks that might be rangi's linode?
00:26 rangi it needs to much massaging to be cronable
00:26 rangi ill do it when i get round to it
00:28 jcamins It requires massaging? Eww.
00:28 eythian jcamins: schemaist
00:28 mtj hey chris… aah ok - i know i bugged you about it a while ago
00:28 rangi to get the comments into a format that schema can use
00:28 rangi schemaspy even
00:29 mtj i assumed it was just running a script at midnite, etc...
00:29 jcamins Right, but it seems like it should be automatic.
00:29 rangi nope
00:29 rangi differnet things break everytime
00:30 mtj the comments in the .sql file make SchemaSpy barf :/
00:31 rangi exactly, so i have some perl to fix that
00:31 jcamins Someone should patch that.
00:31 * jcamins looks pointedly at mtj.
00:31 cjh is it possible to make a specific comment format part of our coding guidelines?
00:31 cjh ie; a format that doesnt make schemaspy barf
00:32 rangi possibly
00:32 rangi but now i have to go eat curry
00:33 jcamins Aww. Didn't work.
00:34 mtj i dont mind having a go at trying to fix it
00:35 * mtj thinks it would be a worthy thing to sort
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02:11 eythian wahanui: survivorship bias is <reply>[…]urvivorship-bias/
02:11 wahanui OK, eythian.
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03:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:08 mtompset I'm back to try to uncover my searching failures again.
03:09 mtompset The last suggestion was permissions problem.
03:09 mtompset What permissions and where should I check?
03:10 mtj the perms of your zebra index files
03:11 mtj the common mistake is that people run zebrasrv as root
03:11 mtj … which then changes the permissions of the index/db files to root
03:12 mtj and then attempt to run zebrasrv as another user, which doesnt have permission to read/write those files anymore
03:12 mtompset my zebra is running as me.
03:12 mtompset where are the zebra files in a typical git install?
03:13 mtj pass...
03:13 eythian dev-directory/var/lib/koha or somewhere like that I think
03:13 eythian but really, it can be anywhere. That's the point of a dev install.
03:14 mtompset Thanks... that was the general pointer I needed... and nope... they are all mtompset.mtompset :(
03:15 eythian _all_ of them, not just the directories?
03:15 mtompset Yep.
03:15 mtompset All of them.
03:15 eythian OK.
03:16 mtompset I didn't figure I messed up a fresh install.
03:16 eythian in that case, I'd fire up zebrasrv manually in debug mode and see what happens when you do a search of it from Koha.
03:16 eythian it'll probably output an error or something somewhere.
03:17 mtompset so stop the koha zebra service and then run the zebrasrv manually with a debug flag?
03:17 mtj yep
03:17 mtj $ zebrasrv -f ~/path/to/koha-conf.xml
03:18 mtj do a search, and watch the terminal for info...
03:18 eythian and a debug flag
03:18 eythian I don't know what that is, but it's probably something obvious
03:19 mtompset -v all to log everything?
03:19 eythian I dunno
03:19 eythian look in the man page
03:21 mtompset I think I have it... now to try a search.
03:24 mtompset Okay... now how do I make sense of the output?
03:24 mtompset paste?
03:24 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty!
03:24 eythian You squint at it just right, and it'll start to make some sort of sense.
03:25 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "koha search debug dump" (236 lines) at
03:26 rangi id run it first with just -f
03:26 mtj yeah, the debug is often overkill
03:26 rangi youll get less noise
03:26 rangi but here is the line
03:26 rangi the one that says ERROR
03:26 rangi 23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [request] Search biblios ERROR 120 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 power @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 power @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "power? " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 power
03:26 rangi 23:21:55-28/05 zebrasrv(1) 40d7fc4f357f0000 [debug]   result immediately available
03:27 mtompset Okay, so what does that mean?
03:27 rangi runcation other than right truncation returns an unsupported truncation attribute error, error 120, when using the ICU. See Zebra bug 2049, Truncation=regular does not work with ICU normalized terms. A patch to fix right truncation was committed in 2008. The remaining unfixed aspects of the bug were marked won't fix on 21 October 2010 by Sebastian Hammer as part of a systematic closing of some open bugs for which a fix was neither readily apparent nor fu
03:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2049 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, OPAC could show rank in Hold Queue
03:28 rangi helpfully indexdata have switched to jira
03:28 rangi so you cant see that bug anymore
03:29 rangi but what it means to me is, switch icu off
03:29 mtompset okay... how do I switch icu off?
03:30 rangi dunno, ive had enough googling for today :)
03:30 mtompset well, thank you for at least pointing me in a direction.
03:31 mtompset I think I'll just dump the DB, remake from the git but choose chr, and then reimport the data, rather than google. :P
03:32 eythian none of those are your problem
03:32 eythian it's specifically your zebra config
03:32 eythian well, except the chr bit
03:33 mtompset right, but if I back up to where I started to do the icu, and choose chr, then I know it will work.
03:33 mtompset I know... it's overkill.
03:33 eythian you'd learn more by figuring out how to convert it
03:34 mtompset and increase the chance of making another mistake which ripples into several others? No thanks.
03:35 mtj sounds like a general no-no for using ICU with zebra
03:35 eythian ICU is needed for some things
03:35 eythian I think
03:35 rangi there are ways to do it correctly, cait knows them
03:35 rangi hebrew and arabic at least need it
03:36 mtj right, i kinda recall that too
03:36 mtj hmm, a tricky situation :/
03:37 rangi you could turn the query parser thing on or off too
03:37 rangi see if that makes a different
03:37 rangi difference even
03:37 rangi in the search sysprefs
03:37 mtj mtompset, curious…. have you made many mods to your zebra config files?
03:38 mtompset heck no! default is good. leave as much as possible as default!
03:38 mtj ok, good to know
03:39 mtompset oh, another question... unrelated to zebra.
03:40 mtompset let's say we do the db upgrade and get "errors".
03:40 mtj it sounds like a legit, reproducible bug
03:40 mtompset I was reading the MySQL documentation, and the code.
03:41 mtompset could we add INSERT IGNORE instead of just INSERT for every one of them?
03:41 mtj meh.. great to set apache/ASF are running jira for all their projects too :/
03:42 mtj s/set/see/
03:42 rangi theyve always been opensource not free software people
03:43 rangi its a mysqlism mtompset
03:43 rangi not standard ansi sql
03:43 rangi we probably shouldnt introduce those
03:43 mtompset Ah... we do have some of those in already. That's why I was asking.
03:43 rangi since we are going to have to move from mysql sooner or later when oracle totally borks it
03:44 mtompset good point. :)
03:52 cjh and sometimes the errors can be a symptom of a problem, I think it is generally better to see them and choose to ignore them
03:55 mtompset From an end-user perspective, I'd much rather not see them. however, if they were logged somewhere, that would aid debugging. :)
03:55 * eythian does not recommend the head-in-sand approach to upgrading
03:55 mtompset BTW, chr reinstall for the win. I can search for power again. :)
03:56 cjh mtompset: it is generally assumed that the person performing the upgrade is checking for errors, having them in a different place makes it less obvious
03:57 cjh it should be rare for a non-technical user to be seeing those errors :)
03:59 mtompset Hmm... Those assumptions make me curious as to how many people actually come here in the middle of an upgrade because of those mysql duplicate inserts "errors".
04:00 mtompset Well, I think I best be off. Meetings and more meetings tomorrow.
04:01 mtompset Thanks for the help figuring out what the cause of my zebra searching problems were. :)
04:01 mtompset rangi++
04:01 mtompset eythian++
04:01 mtompset mtj++
04:02 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :)
04:03 trea where is publication date going to be stored in the database?
04:04 eythian trea: the 260$c or the one in 008 or whatever it is?
04:04 trea ah, right. the 008 perhaps
04:05 eythian trick question, I don't think either of them are.
04:06 eythian though apparently 326$a goes into volumedesc which may be a date
04:06 trea mmm. i have an issue where searches by pubdate don't seem to be working.
04:07 cjh there is also a publisheddate on serial, although I doubt that is what you are looking for
04:07 trea i was wondering if might be related to bug 9368
04:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9368 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , specific behavior of yr and acqdate indexes
04:07 eythian trea: Is the date in 008 real? Often it's not.
04:07 eythian this is something we see a lot, particularly sorting a search by publication date.
04:08 trea that's what i'm wondering - if the date is erroneous, and needs to be populated from somewhere else.
04:09 eythian It ought to be added when cataloguing. The one is 260$c is free-form and so often not useful.
04:09 eythian *in
04:13 eythian anyone know if Koha works with tinymce 3? We seem to be including tinymce2 which is 5+ years old and no longer maintained.
04:14 * eythian finds out
04:18 cjh go eythian ! you can do it!
04:22 eythian good news: it does
04:22 eythian this means we don't need a separate package for wheezy and squeeze.
04:23 trea ooo
04:27 cjh confetti
04:27 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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04:37 mtj eythian++ thats awesome news
04:39 mtj oh fyi: remember the weird xsltproc error i had last week… it was caused by some glitchy chars in a bib :/
04:40 eythian ah right, so not real UTF8 or something?
04:40 eythian surprised it got parsed at all in that case...
04:40 mtj yeah, some strange trailing chars, in the 245b sub-title field
04:43 mtj i never got round to finding out were the bib came from, and if the source record was glitched too
04:43 mtj i just edited the field, and teh problem solved
04:46 mtj hmm, i wonder if its possible to wrap that xsltproc code in a eval, so that it wouldnt be fatal?
04:47 eythian it probably would be, but you've also got to know how to handle the error at all.
04:51 mtj yeah, i can see that it might be tricky thing to do well
04:54 cjh koha packaging really is awesome
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05:06 cjh evening cait :)
05:07 cait morning cjh :)
05:08 eythian hi cait
05:08 cait hi eythian
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05:35 eythian I'm hoping to prepare a master package with Bug 10367 tomorrow, and possibly move it into the older packages too.
05:35 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy
05:35 eythian but in the meantime, if anyone wants to experiment, that's where you do it.
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05:57 cait eythian++ :)
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06:37 alex_away hello
06:37 wahanui kai ora, alex_away
06:37 dcook hey #koha
06:37 dcook I was wondering why you all were so quiet today, and then I realize that my Xchat had froze hours ago...:p
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06:39 christophe_c hello #koha
06:40 dcook hey ya christophe_c
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:42 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.8°C (8:40 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
06:42 cait hi dcook
06:42 cait glad it's thawed now
06:42 dcook salut reiveune, hey cait :)
06:42 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:42 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (4:30 PM EST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:43 cait perfect weather for a long weekend *grump*
06:43 dcook That can't be right...
06:43 reiveune hi dcook, cait :)
06:43 * cait wll walk to work in the rain now... again
06:43 cait bbl
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06:44 christophe_c hi dcook ;-)
06:51 dcook Comment allez-vous en France?
06:51 dcook @wunder marseille
06:51 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
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07:08 asaurat hi!
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07:11 kf good morning #koha
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07:14 amitgupta_ heya bag
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07:23 gaetan_B hello
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07:44 drojf good morning #koha
07:45 dcook hey ya drojf
07:45 drojf hi dcook
07:45 dcook How's the day treating you so far?
07:46 drojf i overslept and feel like i haven't slept at all :D and you?
07:47 dcook Friend just cancelled on me (too much  homework), so now I'm weighing up my options post-work. Torn between reading a book, Koha stuff, and updating my library technology blog...
07:47 dcook I'm thinking the book might be winning at the moment ;)
07:51 drojf :)
07:52 dcook En fait, I think it's time to head home
07:52 dcook Tempted to set up Postfix for my Koha at home...maybe tomorrow..
07:52 dcook Have a good day, drojf (and everyone else!)
07:55 amitgupta_ bag around
07:55 amitgupta_ ?
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08:51 paul_p rangi about ?
08:51 rangi yep
08:53 paul_p rangi = do you think we need 1 full hour for koha history ? I think we can take one hour, but is it the best option ?
08:53 paul_p rangi = 2nd question: do we plan to show the movie you made for KohaCon10 (maybe updated for the last 3 years) ?
08:54 rangi yep
08:54 rangi i think now its 4 more years since 2009 and we took an hour then
08:54 rangi we have even more to cover
08:54 rangi so i think an hour will be about right
08:54 paul_p ok, then one hour including the movie is OK. I answer that I'm fine with 1 hour ;-)
08:55 rangi maybe 50 mins talking and updated moving
08:55 kf i think it's an important session :)
08:55 rangi movie
08:55 rangi its only boring for us cos we know it :-)
08:55 kf looking forward to see the 2 of you doing it :)
08:55 paul_p rangi lol ;-)
09:01 gaetan_B kf: hello :) do you have an idea why the "in transit from ..." string doesn't seem to be translatable ?
09:01 kf hm yes, because it was a bug... and i guess it should have been fixed even by now
09:01 kf i saw a patch for that
09:03 kf bug 10083
09:03 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface
09:03 gaetan_B ah yes
09:03 gaetan_B i guess i could sign off on this then :)
09:04 gaetan_B i'll have a look thanks !
09:04 kf it's been pushed already
09:04 kf but only for intranet, not sure where you see it happen
09:04 kf should be in 3.12
09:04 gaetan_B oh ok it's still in need signoff but that's for 3.10
09:04 kf ah
09:04 kf makes sense
09:31 rangi im looking forward to gaetan_B's presentation
09:31 gaetan_B :D
09:31 gaetan_B i think there might have been some exageration or misunderstanding going on
09:31 gaetan_B but i'll try my best :D
09:32 rangi hehe
09:32 gaetan_B my idea was a presentation about koha project management in varied contexts, and trying to focus on the more exotic ones to make it funnier and have some interesting anecdotes to tell
09:33 gaetan_B but i like "funny stories" as a topic too
09:33 gaetan_B so
09:33 rangi :-)
09:33 gaetan_B challenge accepted
09:33 rangi someone had koha running on a playstation 2
09:33 gaetan_B :D
09:34 gaetan_B i'll have a hard time coming up with something that crazy though !
09:35 kf gaetan_B: looking forward to your presentation too :)
09:36 rangi who else from biblibre is coming?
09:36 rangi you and paul_p ?
09:37 paul_p rangi and fridolyn
09:37 rangi oh cool
09:37 paul_p so 3 of us (unless there's some financial problem, which is not expected ;-) )
09:38 rangi after that i think only Joubu will be the only one i havent met?
09:39 paul_p rangi mmm... there are some newcomers you haven't met : sonia (support team) & corinne (librarian project manager, will replace francois that is moving to canada)
09:41 paul_p rangi and I think you haven't met Laurence (something like CTO) and Stéphane (Delaye, librarian project manager). Not sure you're met the other Stéphane (Delaune, migration specialist)
09:42 rangi hmm maybe not
09:42 kf rangi: you should come to marseille next year ;)
09:43 rangi oh i didnt know francharb was going to canada
09:43 rangi to quebec?
09:43 rangi he saw there are 2 koha jobs going in montreal eh? :-)
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09:45 rangi kf: you need to tell my boss that :)
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09:48 kf :)
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09:55 cjh rangi: I cant seem to push to 3.8.x, I get Pushing to git://
09:55 cjh fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
09:55 cjh I have tried from work and home with my new key added to ssh-agent
09:57 rangi how are you pushing?
09:57 rangi git push 3.8.x:3.8.x
09:57 rangi ?
09:58 cjh ohhh derp, my kc remote has never pushed before so is wrong. this is what I get for pushing late at night :)
09:58 cjh ty :)
09:58 rangi no worries
10:04 cjh and all is well :)
10:04 rangi sweet
10:04 kf cjh++ rangi++
10:05 cjh what is the proper protocol for asking for a patch to be rebased for 3.8.x? I just asked for bug 10178 and am wondering if I need to change a status or anything similar
10:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
10:07 rangi i just note on the bug
10:08 rangi like you did
10:08 cjh awesome, it didnt seem like there was an obvious status to use, ty.
10:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #318 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:10 cjh phewf
10:32 rangi right must be time for sleep
10:39 kf good ngiht rangi
10:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #318: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/318/
10:48 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in : 2/years should be 2/year
10:48 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in and
10:48 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Typo in (years vs year)
10:48 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10191 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , 2 option tags are not closed in and
10:48 druthb @quote random
10:48 huginn` druthb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 07:12 PM, September 25, 2009)
10:52 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:52 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.6°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
10:53 druthb @wunder 77098
10:53 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 24.4°C (5:52 AM CDT on May 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa.
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11:19 samueld hi everybody
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11:24 samueld we have a problem with our opac today. When we search, it gives no results. An idea?
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11:25 kf is your zebrasrv process running?
11:30 samueld yes, no problem
11:31 samueld the professional search works fine
11:35 kf have you activated the opacsuppression ?
11:35 kf it's a system preference and might give you problems until you actually have a suppressed record
11:36 samueld no
11:36 kf same is true i think for some other 'hidden' things, like hiding lots or damaged items by pref
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11:45 samueld I think  i've found an interesting information in log
11:47 samueld when i look at koha-zebradaemon-output-log, i've the following message "[fatal] lock file /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/ [permission denied]
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12:14 oleonard Hi #koha
12:14 druthb hi, oleonard!
12:14 jcamins Good morning, oleonard! I have a question for you...
12:14 * oleonard reaches for the coffee
12:15 jcamins What do you think of this as a warning that an invoice number is duplicted:
12:17 * druthb would prefer something more…direct.  "What the ^@$%^ are you tryin' to do here?"
12:17 jcamins lol
12:17 * druthb is just evil like that.
12:23 oleonard Sorry jcamins, got interrupted here.
12:23 oleonard I think that looks good, based on my limited understanding of acquisitions
12:24 jcamins Thanks.
12:24 jcamins I was more concerned in terms of Koha look-and-feel.
12:25 oleonard No problems there. Although it looks like there is date format inconsistency.
12:25 jcamins Oh, yeah, I can fix that.
12:29 oleonard Dammit, IE10 installed itself without asking.
12:30 oleonard IE--
12:30 jcamins IE--
12:31 oleonard I guess I should be grateful that those people who actually use IE will get IE10 automatically.
12:31 oleonard I should consider this Microsoft's way of giving me permission to ignore older versions.
12:31 jcamins mtj: you know about the script that checks if each record is indexed, right?
12:31 druthb IE—  # band-wagonning.
12:32 mtj heya jcamins, hmmm, no i didnt
12:32 jcamins mtj: yeah, that script might save you some time. :)
12:33 mtj i was thinking of a simple script that checked the perms on the various zebra files
12:33 jcamins Ah.
12:33 mtj as a starter...
12:33 jcamins It doesn't do that, so I guess that won't save any time.
12:33 jcamins I tried...
12:34 mtj people bump into problems often with bad file perms for zebra
12:35 mtj ...a simple script to detect that would be a quick win
12:35 jcamins They certainly do.
12:38 kf jcamins: why does your table have so many lines?
12:38 kf it looks mor like you are doing this based on aqorders than on aqinvoices?
12:38 jcamins kf: because "333" is what I always type when creating an invoice.
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12:38 jcamins Nope.
12:38 kf k :)
12:39 kf also you have a capitalization error there :P
12:39 kf invoice No.
12:39 jcamins Ooh, thanks!
12:39 jcamins I missed that.
12:39 kf you are welcome :)
12:39 kf i am terrible about consistency.... oleonard - sorry for all the bugs
12:40 oleonard kf: Bugs?
12:40 wahanui Bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release
12:40 kf oleonard: i filed lots and some of them went to you by default... it's not a problem if you haven't noticed yet :)
12:41 druthb wahanui:  botsnack chocolate-covered ants
12:41 wahanui thanks druthb :)
12:41 kf druthb: i want some too!
12:41 druthb kfsnack cookie
12:41 kf i have heard ants taste nutty
12:42 druthb you're welcome to my share, then.
12:42 druthb ick ick ick...
12:42 kf hehe
12:42 kf do you really have some?
12:42 druthb no.  I hear that insects are a valuable source of protein in much of the world—I'm glad it's not a routine part of *my* diet.
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12:44 dcook I could see ants possibly being good in chocolate...
12:44 kf dcook: go to bed!
12:45 Dyrcona chocolate covered chocolate.....mmmmmm.....
12:45 Dyrcona :)
12:46 kf yeah how can something chocolate covered be wrong? :)
12:46 kf well ok... there might be options to get it wrong
12:49 dcook kf: It's only 10:49pm!
12:49 khall[…]no-not-like-that/  =[…]_bug.cgi?id=10374
12:49 huginn` Bug 10374: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Clean up and unify CircControl related code
12:49 dcook Slowly but surely getting my home Koha set up the way I want it :)
12:50 khall mornin kf et al!
12:50 dcook morning khall
12:50 dcook Errr late evening!
12:50 khall heh
12:51 kf hi khall
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13:10 dcook Yay...allowed a little hole through my firewall so I can access Koha on my LAN from my laptop...
13:10 dcook Slowly but surely, I'll get this networking thing :p
13:11 kf :)
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13:35 kf samueld: the error youshowed earlier probably means that the permissions are the problem
13:35 kf i got distracted, sorry
13:36 samueld <kf> i've checked  the ownership but not the permissions.
13:36 kf normally it's the ownership
13:37 kf it shoudl be owned by your koha/zebra user
13:38 samueld yes, i've made chown -R /home/koha
13:39 kf hm
13:39 kf have you been looking at the right files?
13:39 kf how is your installation set up?
13:39 kf is it a git installation?
13:39 samueld <kf> it's a git install
13:39 kf the zebra files would be duplicated in that case, and the one being used are normally in a directory like /home/koha-dev
13:40 kf hm home/koha/koha-dev... or something like that
13:40 samueld it's in /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb
13:40 kf hm, that's a bit weird for a git installation
13:41 samueld i think but not sure
13:42 kf hmright I see that it says it shoudl be there
13:42 kf /home/koha/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/
13:42 kf have you checked if that path and the file do exist?
13:43 samueld yes, path and file are ok
13:59 kf samueld: hm sorry, running out of ideas
13:59 kf but for a git install the path is still irritating me
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14:01 samueld <kf> no,this is not a problem of path and we had until today no problems
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14:06 dcook Huzzah...figured out how to use the ServerName directive (coupled with etc/hosts) to access Koha (on the LAN) using textual names rather than IP addresses. Yayyy.
14:06 dcook DNS another day...
14:06 * dcook is heading to bed
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14:33 gmcharlt @quote random
14:33 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011)
14:35 druthb lulz
14:37 kf @quote random
14:37 huginn` kf: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010)
14:39 druthb @quote random
14:39 huginn` druthb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:08 AM, November 14, 2009)
14:40 * druthb blinks
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14:44 oleonard rhcl: tip: don't pet a burning dog.
14:44 rhcl ah, alll righty pet burning dogs.
14:44 rhcl well, good morning #koha
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14:45 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT <[…]87dae10364537ed6f>
14:50 rambutan1 can a sysop kick "rhcl" and "rambutan" plz?
14:50 druthb never know when a spare rambutan will come in handy...
14:51 oleonard Especially considering how hard they are to come by.
14:51 rambutan1 I really don't like the thunderbird chat client. I don't have it open, but somehow it keeps and retains logins, and I can't "quit" out of it
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14:52 rambutan1 ok, that got one of 'em
14:55 oleonard rambutan1: Is the Thunderbird chat client Chatzilla? You can run that as a standalone if you want.
14:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #1206 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:56 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for <[…]931af14c505dcdf0a> / Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR <[…]17d95f957c4af50d4>
14:56 rambutan1 I don't know if it is or not, might be. It's strange because slash quit doesn't seem to do anything, and even if you close the chat tab the logins remain
14:59 oleonard Chatzilla has been my favorite IRC client for ages.
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15:08 reiveune bye
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15:48 tcohen got my visa #koha
15:48 tcohen :-D
15:49 oleonard Great news tcohen
15:50 tcohen thanks oleonard
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16:02 drojf "2) Test with Internet Explorer" is a rather unfortunate detail of a test plan
16:03 druthb 3) Beat head against wall
16:03 drojf :)
16:03 druthb 4) Curse Micro$oft
16:03 drojf hi druthb
16:03 druthb 5) Document, "This doesn't work with IE. Of course."
16:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1206: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1206/
16:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT
16:08 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10359: transform masthead dropdown after user JS for CCSR
16:08 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9763 - Add callnumber column to "print summary" for
16:08 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English
16:08 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10359 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , CCSR theme should apply jqTransform after OpacUserJS
16:08 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9763 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add callnumber column to "print summary" for
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16:09 pianohacker 'allo
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16:13 cait hi pianohacker :)
16:13 pianohacker hey cait
16:13 gaetan_B bye !
16:14 cait gmcharlt++ :)
16:15 gmcharlt hi cait, pianohacker
16:15 pianohacker gmcharlt!
16:15 wahanui somebody said gmcharlt was an expert in all things library technology.
16:15 pianohacker indeed
16:15 pianohacker gmcharlt: What are you up to these days, anyway?
16:16 oleonard He's busy benevolently ruling over us all
16:16 cait yep
16:16 cait he is RM, he does not have time to be up to anything! :P
16:16 pianohacker even benevolent dictators need a hobby ;)
16:17 * cait runs out to shop some spaghetti sauce ingredients :)
16:17 pianohacker ooh, homemade spaghetti sauce
16:17 gmcharlt pianohacker: oh, mostly exploring the new neighborhood (AKA Seattle)
16:17 pianohacker *drool*
16:17 pianohacker gmcharlt: Nice! Why the move?
16:18 gmcharlt Marlene got a job at Seattle Public
16:19 pianohacker very nice
16:27 rambutan1 I hear they have coffee in Seattle.
16:29 pianohacker and rain, but apparently the coffee's so good it makes up for the weather
16:29 pianohacker which is saying something
16:30 rambutan1 Yea, the few times I've passed through Seattle I was never able to see that big hill they have there due to the fog, clouds and rain
16:30 rambutan1 but everything sure was green
16:30 gmcharlt yes, it was quite a revelation one day when we were driving south on I-5
16:30 gmcharlt ... MOUNTAIN
16:31 gmcharlt (first clear day in quite a while, of course)
16:34 pianohacker gmcharlt: By the way, Koha history question. Who do we have to thank for our zebra configs? Even just a simple bit of poking at pazpar2 has been... painful to say the least, can't imagine the work involved in getting something as complex as Zebra happy
16:35 bag[…]905fc95&source=fb
16:35 * bag went through his first earthquake this morning
16:35 druthb whoa!
16:36 druthb wahanui:  blame?
16:36 wahanui I blame gmcharlt; he's the RM, after all.
16:36 pianohacker usgs earthquake team woot woot
16:37 gmcharlt pianohacker: checking ... I have a suspicion
16:37 pianohacker gmcharlt: thanks!
16:37 bag Who needs coffee when you get an earthquake like that?
16:37 * oleonard has an air-tight alibi
16:38 druthb any damage in your area, bag?
16:38 bag no damage reported
16:39 bag a few things fell off the shelves here - but nothing broke
16:39 druthb tha's good.
16:39 bag both Aloo and Ginny were pretty excited - like WHAT JUST HAPPENED?
16:40 druthb hey!  Isn't Ginny coming up on a birthday?
16:40 druthb Enjoy it while she's little, bag—I just put my minion on a plane to DC to visit friends for the week, and then she's getting back, and starting to plan her moving out.
16:40 bag very soon June 20th
16:41 bag awwhh too fast :)
16:41 gmcharlt pianohacker: thought so
16:41 pianohacker oh?
16:42 bag kados
16:42 gmcharlt based on textual evidence, it originated from the marc21.abs distributed with Zebra itself
16:42 druthb First time Lindsey's flown alone.  I dropped her at Hobby, got out and hugged her…she got her bag, then stopped and hugged me again.
16:42 bag that's sweet druthb
16:42 gmcharlt of course, with a ton of subsequent updates, including from (yes) kados, as well as slef and rch
16:43 gmcharlt and quite a lot of help and discussion with the IndexData folks
16:46 gmcharlt bag: there has been at least one occassion where I've known that an earthquake has happened because my cats started growling for no apparent reason
16:46 bag ha
16:46 pianohacker gmcharlt++
16:54 druthb "When you find yourself in the company of a halfling and an ill-tempered dragon, remember, you do not have to outrun the dragon…"  (spotted on a t-shirt here at cPanel)
16:55 gmcharlt druthb: dragons only eat appetizers and never move on to the main course? ;)
16:57 pianohacker just hope that halflings are chewy :)
16:57 druthb Crunchy, and good with ketchup.
17:00 druthb gmcharlt, you pose an interesting question…let's ask a halfling.  bag still around?
17:01 druthb Hm.  Maybe he got eaten by a dragon.
17:01 druthb tsk
17:01 oleonard How careless.
17:02 * pianohacker laughs the quiet giggle of someone whose bossman is being harassed
17:02 druthb he gets too bossy, pianohacker, just smack him with a trout or something.
17:03 bag I'm still here
17:03 * druthb loox innocent
17:03 bag sweet t-shirt
17:03 pianohacker druthb: I'm not sure you know how :P
17:03 druthb There are a *lot* of ThinkGeek fans around here.
17:04 druthb I'm trying to pick out a couple of new tees from there, m'self, just for funsies.  Might wear some of 'em at KohaCon.
17:04 druthb like "Any fool can use a computer.  Many do."
17:04 pianohacker hah! excellent
17:05 pianohacker I'm _really_ tempted to try and make a small hole in my semester for a nevada road trip
17:05 druthb dooo eeet
17:07 druthb Ooh.  "Either you like bacon, or you're wrong."  <3
17:08 pianohacker druthb: My mom, after 15 years of vegetarianism, doesn't miss any meat
17:08 pianohacker ... except bacon :)
17:08 druthb seeeee?
17:09 pianohacker she has to leave the kitchen when my dad and I cook it
17:12 druthb pianohacker:[…]amid-t-shirt.html
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17:18 oleonard
17:19 druthb lol.  "Come to the dork side…we have <symbol:pi>"
17:22 Dyrcona lol
17:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1207: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1207/
17:23 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10367 - update the rules and control file for wheezy
17:23 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9773 - Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery
17:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy
17:23 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9773 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery
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17:45 jcamins @librarian
17:45 huginn` jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:45 jcamins Hm. Guess huginn doesn't have that plugin.
17:47 oleonard What were you expecting jcamins?
17:47 jcamins oleonard: in #evergreen that rolls you a librarian character for DND.
17:49 cait oooh
17:49 cait *want*
17:49 jcamins Join #evergreen and you can have it. ;)
17:49 cait heh
17:49 cait tryingto get rid of  me? :)
17:49 * jcamins is on #evergreen.
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17:51 cait morning rangi?
17:53 gmcharlt @librarian
17:53 huginn` gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:53 gmcharlt hmm
17:55 gmcharlt @dnd
17:55 huginn` gmcharlt: strength:11 dexterity:11 constitution:7 intelligence:9 wisdom:15 charisma:9
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17:56 pianohacker excellent :)
17:56 pianohacker @dnd
17:56 huginn` pianohacker: strength:9 dexterity:17 constitution:13 intelligence:7 wisdom:13 charisma:17
17:58 gmcharlt @librarian
17:58 huginn` gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:11, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:11, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:9
17:58 jcamins Woohoo!
17:58 jcamins gmcharlt++
17:58 jcamins @librarian
17:58 huginn` jcamins: Management:7, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:9, Reference:13, Circulation:11, Systems:7, Research:15, Custodial:15
17:58 jcamins Hm.
17:58 jcamins That's wrong.
17:59 jcamins Acquisitions should be -5000000.
18:00 drojf @librarian
18:00 huginn` drojf: Management:11, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:14, Reference:7, Circulation:14, Systems:11, Research:17, Custodial:12
18:00 drojf there is no "marc bashing"?
18:00 jcamins lol
18:01 jcamins @developer
18:01 huginn` jcamins: Communication:17, BigPicture:6, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:13, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:11, JavaAvoidance:11
18:01 jcamins ^^ there's JavaAvoidance.
18:01 drojf lol
18:02 cait @librariandeveloper :P
18:02 huginn` cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:02 cait @librarian
18:02 huginn` cait: Management:10, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:10, Reference:5, Circulation:11, Systems:10, Research:9, Custodial:14
18:02 cait no double classes?
18:03 cait @developer
18:03 huginn` cait: Communication:18, BigPicture:10, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:12, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:10, JavaAvoidance:12
18:03 cait detailoriented 15 yay!
18:04 pianohacker @developer
18:04 huginn` pianohacker: Communication:12, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:15, GetsStuffDone:16, FlakeFactor:16, JavaAvoidance:16
18:04 pianohacker oh wow
18:04 pianohacker dice_superstition++
18:04 cait oh wow
18:04 cait @developer
18:05 huginn` cait: Communication:9, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:15, KungFu:18, GetsStuffDone:13, FlakeFactor:7, JavaAvoidance:10
18:05 pianohacker java--
18:06 pianohacker @karma java
18:06 huginn` pianohacker: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5.
18:06 pianohacker good
18:06 pianohacker though
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18:06 pianohacker @karma perl
18:06 huginn` pianohacker: Karma for "perl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
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18:06 pianohacker haha perfect
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18:23 druthb perldancer++
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19:28 rangi mtj-- #starting the livedvd madness again
19:28 * rangi deletes that thread unread
19:32 bag hey rangi - earthquake this morning in SB
19:33 rangi big one?
19:34 bag 4.6 - big for me :)
19:34 bag no damage - just some things knocked off the shelves
19:37 rangi yeah 4 is pretty decent
19:37 rangi if its not deep
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19:37 * cait waves
19:38 pianohacker 8 km deep according to USGS:[…]i15350729#summary
19:39 rangi yeah that would be shaky
19:39 jcamins Again?
19:39 jcamins Good grief.
19:43 mtj i have to confess… the thought of actually discussing the topic during the meeting, is just as inane as reading about it on the list
19:43 oleonard What do you think can be accomplished at the meeting mtj?
19:43 mtj i might quit while i'm ahead, and remove it from the meeting agenda
19:44 rangi mtj++ #i was just being a dick
19:44 rangi but yeah, i dont think more discussion will result in anything
19:44 bag just being a deck :P
19:46 mtj bag, thats the aussies - kiwis are ducks
19:46 bag :)
19:49 mtj oleonard, i was hoping for a focused discussion on how we might support a livedvd, during the meeting
19:50 oleonard Support in what way? Technical support?
19:50 mtj yep, all of that complex stuff
19:51 mtj where to log bugs, where to send patches, etc...
19:51 rangi to vimal
19:51 mtj would we need a git repo for the livedvd?
19:51 rangi basically id just say we dont support it
19:51 oleonard Yeah, the essence of the issue is that none of us want to deal with it.
19:51 oleonard Vimal wants to make one, so Vimal gets all the jobs.
19:52 oleonard Not sure what there is to discuss.
19:55 mtj i honestly dont think Vimal is aware of these issues
19:55 gmcharlt that would be a problem ... if it's an "official" LiveDVD, we shouldn't let it get divorced from the main project
19:56 mtj ... so the meeting could have been a good time for various people to make those various points
19:56 oleonard mtj: Not aware that we don't all want to field questions about the LiveDVD?
19:56 gmcharlt i.e., I'd want to see LiveDVD users use the normal channels for reporting bugs, but that of course implies that the LiveDVD is constructed to not diverge too far
19:56 pianohacker Is there a precedent for generating translatable formatted strings in OPAC JS?
19:57 mtj lol, yes Owen, thats the best theory i have :)
19:57 oleonard pianohacker: Check
19:57 jcamins I think everyone who actively provides support in the community has pretty conclusively stated that their support for the livecd ends before it gets used for production.
19:57 jcamins Period.
19:57 jcamins Full stop.
19:57 jcamins (that's all she wrote)
19:57 csharp EOF
19:58 jcamins csharp: wow, that's weird. Usually I see you on other channels. :)
19:58 csharp heh - yep - I lurk in here too
19:58 gmcharlt history.txt: 2015-01-13: #everkoha is started on FreeOFTC
19:59 jcamins lol
19:59 Dyrcona kohagreen
20:01 pianohacker Dyrcona: Hrm, echoes of /r/trees :)
20:05 rangi eeek
20:06 cait eek?
20:06 * rangi understands only oracle and koha in that spanish email
20:06 rangi but that's enough to make me run far far away
20:06 cait instalado 3.4 ...
20:07 pianohacker rangi: thankfully, it's only a migration from some... thing on oracle to koha
20:07 rangi ahh
20:07 rangi i forgot you speak spanish
20:07 * cait thiks pianohacker is right
20:07 rangi handy :)(
20:07 oleonard Bye #koha
20:07 rangi -(
20:07 cait pianohacker: did they really install 3.4?
20:07 rangi cya oleonard
20:07 pianohacker rangi: just a bit
20:07 gmcharlt cait: yep
20:07 pianohacker cuban_mom++
20:07 cait hm
20:08 * cait volunteers pianohacker to answer :P
20:08 pianohacker cait: yeah, that's what it looks like
20:08 rangi i met pianohacker's mom
20:08 gmcharlt I suspect that they might have been running the 3.4 system for a while, but now want to migrate data from this Oracle DB
20:08 pianohacker oh, man. I can give it a shot
20:08 rangi <-- claim to fame
20:08 pianohacker rangi: hahaha that's right
20:08 gmcharlt pianohacker: go for it.  beats me have to start my response with "I apologize for responding in English..."
20:09 rangi :)
20:09 pianohacker 17-year-old me: "Mom, I'm gonna fly to Texas by myself and meet Koha people!" "... hell no you're not"
20:09 gmcharlt heh
20:09 rangi ahh hugo answered
20:09 mtj i had a goofy idea recently… using pootle to build marc.sql files, for various languages
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20:09 rangi pianohacker: heheh you drove down in the end eh?
20:10 pianohacker yup, less than a month after I got my driver's permit
20:10 rangi :)
20:10 pianohacker she had so much fun on that drive
20:11 rangi hugo++ # great answer
20:11 jcamins mtj: even better would be not using raw SQL for frameworks.
20:11 pianohacker yup, that's good. still think it's worth a spanish response?
20:12 rangi hmm not sure
20:13 mtj jcamins, yes, ultimately
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20:15 cait pianohacker: my mom was very disappointed when i told her - guess she expected me to take her too :)
20:15 rangi pianohacker:[…]ngard/3447508010/
20:17 cait oh i found liz and daniel
20:17 JoeLib001 I got an interesting request from our cataloger. She wants to know, if I can make Koha not return the 942, 952, and 999 fields in a Z39.50 query.
20:17 pianohacker haha, mustaches-and-glasses, oh man
20:17 pianohacker wonder if my mom's in there somewhe
20:17 JoeLib001 Is there an option in Koha to do that?
20:18 JoeLib001 I haven't been able to find one anyways.
20:18 jcamins JoeLib001: I'd suggest you say "no," and leave it at that.
20:18 jcamins There is no functionality built into Koha.
20:18 pianohacker cait: haha, two plane tickets might be more than the gas from colorado to texas
20:18 rangi pianohacker: couldnt spot her
20:18 cait pianohacker: she will get over it eventually :)
20:19 rangi ok time to take my son to school
20:19 rangi bbl
20:19 JoeLib001 jcamins: Ok, thanks. :-)
20:19 gmcharlt JoeLib001: though it *is* possible with some fiddling of the Zebra config (or possibly via sticking metaproxy in front of it)
20:20 rhcl @seen wizzyrea
20:20 mtj a quick show of hands here, people - do folks want to discuss the dvd next #irc meeting?
20:20 huginn` rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 20 hours and 5 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> :)
20:20 mtj yes/no?
20:20 jcamins -1
20:20 mtj -1
20:20 gmcharlt mtj: -1, unless (a) Vimal actually wants the discussion and (b) we are aiming to come to resolution rather than discussing for the sake of discussing
20:21 gmcharlt JoeLib001: but in practice, running with jcamins answer is also fine :)
20:21 JoeLib001 gmcharlt: Thanks for that too. :-)
20:21 cait gmcharlt++ # being as wise as his dnd character
20:23 JoeLib001 Possible, but not without it's own problems. I don't have the brain power to devote to it, if it's not built into Koha either. ;-) Too much on my plate as it is. XD
20:24 jcamins ^^ why I suggested you say "no" and not explain. ;)
20:24 JoeLib001 : Works on Circulation, Periodicals, and now Acquisitions. Along with support of Koha / IT stuff. XD
20:24 jcamins Way too many other things to do.
20:25 gmcharlt @librarian
20:25 huginn` gmcharlt: Management:13, Cataloging:17, Acquisitions:13, Reference:6, Circulation:15, Systems:15, Research:11, Custodial:11
20:25 gmcharlt missing category: Multi-tasking
20:25 JoeLib001 Hehehehe
20:26 mtj gmcharlt, thats probably going to be a 'no' on both of those points :)
20:26 JoeLib001 I'm am a Paraprofessional, I think is the term. ;-)
20:26 JoeLib001 Yeah...., - the 'm
20:27 JoeLib001 Could be known and Cheap and Dumb. XD
20:27 JoeLib001 Yeah, ok. Already too long of a day. ;-)
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20:27 * libsysguy storms the channel
20:27 pianohacker hey, longer you're here, the more you know and the less cheap you get ;)
20:27 pianohacker hey libsysguy
20:27 wahanui libsysguy is koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck
20:27 cait hi libsysguy
20:28 libsysguy hey pianohacker and cait :)
20:28 libsysguy long time no see
20:28 cait how are things?
20:30 libsysguy they are good
20:30 libsysguy doing a lot of code
20:30 libsysguy surprisingly its much easier to code something when you have a firm grasp on the concepts behind it :p
20:30 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-)
20:31 libsysguy also, tools, tools, and more tools
20:32 cait :)
20:32 libsysguy anybody here going to YAPC this year?
20:34 bag heya libsysguy
20:34 wahanui libsysguy is, like, koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck
20:34 libsysguy heya bag
20:34 bag libsysguy: we had an earthquake today
20:34 libsysguy i saw your status on fb
20:34 bag HA I'm telling everyone I know
20:35 libsysguy eveybody okay?
20:35 bag yup
20:35 bag just a little "shook" up
20:35 libsysguy ba dump *psh*
20:36 pianohacker libsysguy: what specifically are you working on?
20:36 libsysguy currently or just in general?
20:37 libsysguy :p
20:37 libsysguy currently a data migration for some internal systems, but in general building perl web-apps for internal cPanel use
20:37 bag libsysguy: I say you again the other day - you got a haircut this time - so you don't look like such a hippie anymore :D
20:37 bag s/say/saw
20:38 libsysguy you know me man, always letting my hippie flag fly
20:38 pianohacker libsysguy: both sound pretty good. yay perl :)
20:38 libsysguy yeah I'm trying to use Mojo for async connections
20:40 libsysguy the difficult part is trying to find a persistence layer that is non-blocking
20:40 pianohacker heh, tough in any language
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20:43 libsysguy indeed it is
20:43 libsysguy especially node :p
20:54 bag stinky farts - from the dog under the desk :P
20:54 libsysguy aww the earthquake scared him
20:54 libsysguy or he's retaliating :p
20:54 bag yeah it got him excited
20:54 bag I think it was the chicken bones he ate the other night - dumbass
20:59 talljoy egad bag.  i can't even come into #koha to get away from your stinky ass dog
20:59 talljoy there is no safe place
21:00 bag my dog is a lover
21:00 talljoy libsysguy i've got a cataloging question for the marc fans out there.  just giving you fair warning.
21:01 * libsysguy runs away
21:01 talljoy if i have a manuscript that was written on a date and then it is revised on a later date, where do the dates go?  repeated 260 or 245 subfield?
21:01 talljoy i warned you!
21:02 bag jcamins ^^^
21:02 talljoy gmcharlt ^
21:03 bag eythian ^^^
21:03 bag raises you another :P
21:03 rhcl talljoy speaks?
21:03 talljoy lol
21:03 libsysguy only when she has MARC questions :p
21:03 talljoy pfft
21:03 talljoy i could put an RDA spin on that question if you like.
21:04 cjh morning #koha
21:04 pianohacker talljoy: hey now, that's not nice
21:06 gmcharlt @marc 245 f
21:06 huginn` gmcharlt: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created.
21:06 pianohacker repeated tag or subfield?
21:07 gmcharlt pianohacker: 245$f is NR
21:07 talljoy you don't repeat the 245
21:08 pianohacker gmcharlt: ah, okay
21:08 gmcharlt talljoy: to be clear, I'm pretty sure it's the 245$f for manuscripts
21:09 talljoy would you note that it was revised anywhere?
21:09 bag @marc 245f
21:09 huginn` bag: unknown tag 245f
21:09 jcamins 245$f.
21:09 jcamins 1800-1845.
21:09 wahanui -45
21:09 bag @marc 245$f
21:09 huginn` bag: unknown tag 245$f
21:09 cjh :o
21:09 cjh wahanui can do math?
21:09 wahanui cjh: i don't know
21:09 bag heh I give up
21:10 cait @marc 245f
21:10 huginn` cait: unknown tag 245f
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21:10 cait @marc 245 f
21:10 huginn` cait: Inclusive dates The time period during which the entire content of the described materials was created.
21:10 cait ah
21:10 jcamins And then the appropriate 5xx note.
21:10 talljoy long live the 5xx tags  they are my favorite.
21:11 jcamins That's what I'd do.
21:11 jcamins Well...
21:11 jcamins Actually, that depends.
21:11 jcamins When you say "revised" you mean that there are MS amendations to an earlier MS, yes?
21:11 cait now the expert is talking
21:12 talljoy well revised as in.....  i wrote this script in 1990.  then when I got a job to put it on, I revised the script slightly in 1996
21:12 jcamins Ummm...
21:12 talljoy so i could argue they are really two things
21:12 jcamins hm.
21:12 talljoy but.....for this particular application that might blow their minds.
21:12 pianohacker edition info tags?
21:13 jcamins So the entire typescript(?) was rekeyed in 1996?
21:13 gmcharlt pianohacker: what is this edition you speak of for manuscripts?
21:13 cait talljoy: so it's not an old hand written thing but something else?
21:13 talljoy no jcamins the entire thing wasn't rekeyed.  perhaps certain acts were reworked
21:13 gmcharlt (i.e., some concepts like edition and publication date don't apply cleanly, or at all, for manuscripts)
21:13 * cait is confused now
21:13 pianohacker interesting, okay
21:14 pianohacker cataloging++
21:14 jcamins In that case, yes, 245$f1990-1996.
21:14 talljoy okay.  i will give them my thoughts with ^ that as the preferred cataloging method.
21:15 talljoy sorry for the marc interruption libsysguy  you can come back now
21:15 * libsysguy peeks
21:16 talljoy all clear!
21:16 talljoy bring out the FRBR now
21:16 libsysguy now FRBR I can talk about
21:17 libsysguy RDA is just FRBR's hacky realization
21:17 libsysguy :p
21:20 jcamins libsysguy: RDA = FRBR - Functional
21:21 libsysguy heh
21:22 jcamins And - Requirements
21:22 jcamins And, while we're at it, they don't really do Bibliographic either.
21:23 libsysguy RDA = MARC v1.1
21:23 gmcharlt But (to the dismay of the Linked Data folks) RDA does do "records" :)
21:23 jcamins gmcharlt: yup.
21:24 libsysguy I was thinking about marc data the other day, wound't it make sense to store that in a document non-relational store?
21:24 libsysguy I know…its weird that I was thinking about MARC by choice
21:27 libsysguy specifically MongoDB?
21:32 pianohacker libsysguy: would probably work better than the two approaches Koha has tried, from massive normalized-ish row-for-every-subfield MySQL tables to "to hell with it, store the whole marcxml blob"
21:33 libsysguy *sigh* blobs
21:34 libsysguy I guess you could store the marc blob in a NoSQL db and everything else in an RDBMS
21:34 pianohacker yeah. thanks to some xml-processing  tools built into MySQL and excellent CPAN/Zebra support, the latter is working _much_ better than the former, but it's still maybe not ideal
21:35 pianohacker plus, we kind of do, if you treat zebra as a db with one hell of a search engine :P
21:35 libsysguy well anytime you can let a binary handle parsing for you its much better
21:35 libsysguy heh
21:35 gmcharlt I'm not sure what storing the blob in a separate NoSQL DB would gain us, considering the MySQL can store the blob well enough and Zebra/Solr can make in searchable
21:36 libsysguy usually the NoSQL db's have full text indexing so you kind of get a two for one
21:36 libsysguy but…I don't think you have facet control
21:37 libsysguy and on that note, I'm off
21:37 libsysguy later guys
21:37 pianohacker libsysguy: yeah, that's the thing. the lack of good support for facets and  good specific-field searching/relevant ranking make most search engines fall down
21:37 pianohacker it's why we deal with IndexData's documentation :P
21:37 pianohacker but bye :)
21:38 libsysguy left #koha
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21:44 * wizzyrea blinks
21:44 wizzyrea a libsysguy sighting!
21:45 pianohacker indeed
21:46 pianohacker and a wizzyrea sighting :)
21:46 cjh they happen daily, the wizzyrea is common in these parts.
21:46 wizzyrea :D
21:46 * wizzyrea would love to get libsysguy, cjh, and pianohacker in a real room together. It would be epic.
21:47 cjh *real* room, as in, offline? that sounds dangerous.
21:47 cait heh
21:47 cait might be dangerous?
21:47 cait :)
21:48 * cjh has heard libsysguys are dangerous when cornered
21:48 wizzyrea libsysguy?
21:48 wizzyrea aww
21:49 cjh wizzyrea: -!- libsysguy [] has left #koha [] :(
21:49 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm back with a question about the report you all helped me with last week. You told me to look for the location value of the Hidden for OPAC in Authorized Values -> Location. Does anyone happen to know what it would be under in there?
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21:49 wizzyrea they are user configured - we'd have no idea
21:49 wizzyrea sorry :(
21:50 wizzyrea if you know of an item that is hidden, and look at it
21:50 wizzyrea it will tell you
21:50 pianohacker wizzyrea: hmm. I don't know. I think libsysguy and I would either love each other or drive each other up a wall :)
21:50 YoungPublicLibrarian Dang, okay. Maybe I can get help from ByWater. How would an item that is hidden tell me?
21:54 YoungPublicLibrarian I mean, would I look at the items stats in cataloging or somewhere else?
21:55 wizzyrea you would look at the item, probably in edit items
21:56 wizzyrea which library are you from?
22:09 YoungPublicLibrarian One from The Valnet Consortium.
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22:10 wizzyrea oh right - you told me that ages ago
22:11 wizzyrea sorry, I've slept since then :)
22:11 eythian hi
22:11 wahanui kai ora, eythian
22:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Under edit items...
22:12 YoungPublicLibrarian It says c - Shelving Location and has a selection list where "Hidden from OPAC" is chosen.
22:12 wizzyrea looks like the description for items.location contains Hidden from OPAC
22:14 rangi kai ora?
22:14 rangi eat life?
22:15 rangi wahanui is a zombie
22:15 cait oh lol
22:16 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, so I'm trying to modify the Bibs Marked On Order report to give me all items marked hidden from OPAC. So what would I be looking for to put in the "where items.location = ' ? ' " line?
22:18 eythian whatever the authorised value code for "Hidden from OPAC" is
22:18 YoungPublicLibrarian Right, that's what I'm asking how to find... Lol
22:19 YoungPublicLibrarian I was told to look for that code under Administration -> Authorized Values -> Location, but what am I looking for once I get to location?
22:20 cait i gues syu don't have access to the administration module?
22:21 cait try to write yourself a report:
22:21 wizzyrea she can't
22:21 cait oh
22:21 cait no reports either?
22:21 cait is the loc searchable in advanced search in the staff interface?
22:21 cait i mean can you search that hidden in opac?
22:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Search how? And he... Lol
22:22 eythian YoungPublicLibrarian: you go there, and it'll give you a list of them all
22:22 wizzyrea it's hidden from the opac.
22:23 wizzyrea she doesn't have rights to do any of that.
22:23 eythian one of them will be the code for "hidden from the opac"
22:23 eythian well someone has to go there, or it's simply not possible
22:23 wizzyrea ^^^
22:23 cait wizzyrea: if location is searchable in staff advanced search...
22:24 YoungPublicLibrarian I can't go there, that's 9/10 of the problem... And Wizzyrea, I is male... Lol
22:24 cait they migt have hidden the LOC value from opac but not from staff
22:24 wizzyrea ah sorry
22:24 cait i wonder if you can see it in the source code of the add item screen
22:24 cait probably you can
22:24 YoungPublicLibrarian How would I search it through the staff interface?
22:24 eythian cait: that's a good idea
22:24 eythian it'd probably work
22:25 cait years of being creative in things like that :P
22:25 wizzyrea actually yea, ctrl-u on the add items page
22:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Ooh! I like that idea. So go to the add item screen and view the page source, looking for the Hidden from OPAC terms?
22:25 eythian yeah
22:25 wizzyrea it'll probably be the value
22:26 eythian and it'll be something like <option value="CODE">Hidden from OPAC</option>
22:26 eythian or similar
22:26 cjh cait++
22:26 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm trying it now. Give me a sec... And thanks for finding a work around!
22:31 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, it says (<option value="HIDDEN">Hidden from OPAC</option>") So would "HIDDEN" be the code I'm looking for?
22:31 eythian jup
22:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Sweet! Thanks everyone! You guys have been a huge help!
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22:43 YoungPublicLibrarian One more question... If I wanted to add the collection code to what the report displays, what would I have to do to the report?
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22:47 YoungPublicLibrarian The report I'm modifying is the Bibs Marked On Order report from the report library. Just wondering how complicated it would be to add collection code to what the report returns when run...
22:47 wizzyrea probably a matter of adding items.ccode to your select
22:47 YoungPublicLibrarian Ooh! I like when things are that easy!
22:48 wizzyrea (but i didn't read the report)
22:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, thanks again!
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23:01 pianohacker good night
23:01 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, pianohacker.
23:01 pianohacker O_O
23:01 pianohacker aughhh run away
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23:32 trea lol
23:32 wizzyrea hehehehehe
23:32 wizzyrea "a heavy metal album based on the life of the French ruler Charlemagne."
23:33 trea reminds me of the time iron maiden did rime of the ancient mariner
23:34 cait good night all :)
23:34 cait left #koha
23:34 eythian cait is going to put some nice heavy metal on to go to sleep to.
23:36 trea give me a heavy metal album worthy of mordor
23:36 eythian well, it is sung by Sauruman...
23:37 rangi christopher lee is awesome
23:37 trea one does simply shred into mordor
23:37 trea ad infinitum
23:38 rangi apropos the spanish email this morning
23:38 rangi[…]en_Debian_Squeeze
23:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #126 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:40 eythian it's odd in that half of many sentences is translated
23:41 rangi yeah working their way through it still
23:41 rangi more everyday
23:43 eythian that makes sense
23:49 rangi
23:50 rangi
23:50 rangi i love this :)
23:51 eythian I bet it's no Christopher Lee though :)
23:51 eythian[…]/130528143623.htm <-- "Beer-Pouring Robot Programmed to Anticipate Human Actions"
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23:52 rangi its pretty fun
23:52 wizzyrea that is super silly
23:52 rangi yep

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