IRC log for #koha, 2013-03-08

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00:00 dcook Haven't had much of a chance to get out of the city this year :(
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00:04 dcook hey bgallagher
00:05 wahanui bgallagher is not sure yet cait I have not got train tickets
00:05 dcook Are there two of you now?
00:05 bgallagher Yes
00:05 bgallagher Updates on my computer
00:05 bgallagher Using backup
00:06 dcook Hmm, sounds less stressful than having a clone
00:06 dcook Potentially
00:06 bgallagher Clone would be nice
00:07 dcook I don't think I ever saw the end of Multiplicity, but I can't imagine it turned out well
00:07 bgallagher Ha
00:09 wizzyrea I want pizza steve
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01:10 dcook Hmm, is there a CLI script to auto-generate authorities from existing subject tags?
01:12 dcook looks like it's only useful if the authorities already exist...
01:13 jcamins dcook: that is correct.
01:13 jcamins wajasu has been trying to use it to generate authorities.
01:13 jcamins It has not been working well.
01:13 dcook :/
01:13 jcamins Unsurprisingly, since it was not designed to do anything of the sort.
01:13 dcook Makes sense
01:14 dcook sounds like it does exactly what it needs to do
01:14 dcook Well...maybe
01:15 dcook You have your authorities and then you want to link your bibs to them...makes sense. I suppose you still might end up with bibs that don't have authorized headings, but...c'est la vie
01:15 dcook Although I suppose it might be nice to be able to autogenerate whatever ones don't match..
01:15 * dcook babbles some more
01:16 dcook I suppose I was just wondering if there was already a programmatic way of generating authorities from existing tags, instead of having people turning on "AutoCreateAuthorities" and then opening and saving their bib records
01:18 jcamins No.
01:18 eythian dcook: there isn't, but it's not hard to do by extracting them and using csvtomarc
01:18 eythian I've done it before, I think it took <` hour to do.
01:18 jcamins It would be useful, but no one has paid for it.
01:18 eythian <1 hour
01:19 dcook jcamins: Good to know :)
01:19 dcook eythian: I'm not sure I u nderstand...
01:19 eythian dcook: you extract all the subject headings in your data into a one-column csv file, and then run csvtomarc to create an authorities MARC file that you import.
01:20 eythian csvtomarc is an external script to help with migrations.
01:20 dcook Hmmm, that would do the trick
01:20 dcook Mmm
01:20 jcamins The trick is the subfield markers.
01:20 jcamins Not a difficult trick, you understand.
01:20 jcamins Just something that you want to make sure to take into account.
01:20 eythian yeah, it won't do them very well, as it is now.
01:22 dcook Hmm, good to know. This is a pretty simple case, so it shouldn't be too big of a deal, I imagine
01:22 dcook But good to be aware :)
01:22 dcook Whereabouts does one find the file?
01:22 jcamins koha migration toolbox?
01:22 wahanui rumour has it koha migration toolbox is
01:22 dcook I think I see a few references to Catalyst and jcamins's repos
01:22 jcamins ^^
01:23 eythian I really really need to update the version in there
01:23 eythian but it'll do for your purposes.
01:23 dcook hehe
01:24 jcamins Actually, use mine.
01:24 jcamins[…]box.git;a=summary
01:24 jcamins It has a number of authority-related scripts.
01:25 jcamins And fixes a bug in the auth header generation.
01:25 jcamins *leader
01:25 dcook Cool beans. Thanks, jcamins
01:26 dcook So, to transform the csv into marc authorities
01:26 jcamins Right.
01:26 dcook Then
01:26 dcook Then
01:28 jcamins bulkmarcimport.
01:28 eythian don't forget to reindex zebra pretty much between each step
01:28 jcamins bulkauthimport should not be used ever.
01:29 eythian it probably should be deleted
01:29 jcamins It should be.
01:33 eythian bug 9035 needs signoff
01:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , remove deprecated '' file
01:38 dcook No quams about me signing off on it?
01:38 jcamins None.
01:43 bag almost a week left till first freeze :)
01:43 eythian but it's 22° outside, that's not near freezing!
01:44 dcook Today was rather warm..
01:44 bag I need to find someone to sign off on (edifact bug) since libsysguy has added the unit tests
01:44 bag is that correct jcamins?  Or could another bywater person sign off on it - since it's originally from ptfs-europe?
01:45 bag my thought is my statement is correct - we shouldn't have another bywater person test/sign-off :)
01:46 eythian dcook: signoff process is that you apply the patch, check that it does what it claims, and then add the signed-off patch to the bug.
01:46 eythian That way you get counted in the stats :)
01:47 jcamins bag: you are correct, you need to find someone else to sign off.
01:47 dcook Yep, just attaching it now, eythian
01:47 jcamins libsysguy did some rather extensive work on the EDIFACT code.
01:47 bag thought soo…  I will not bug khall tomorrow then :)
01:47 dcook Usually I would change bugzilla second, but for some reason I did it first today :S
01:48 bag well that was my opinion too jared…  didn't seem right :)
01:48 eythian dcook: ah, sweet as then
01:48 eythian dcook: it's also an option to add comments to the commit message below your signoff
01:48 eythian but by no means compulsory
01:49 eythian oh, you're way ahead of me
01:49 dcook *shrug*
01:49 eythian pretend I'm not saying anything
01:49 dcook The confirmation of what to do is appreciated nonetheless
01:50 dcook The absence of scolding doesn't necessarily fill one with confidence either, so confirmation...always good :D
01:50 eythian heh
01:50 eythian yay, we have two new confirmed Koha clients to migrate early this year.
01:50 wizzyrea \o/
01:51 dcook :D
01:52 wizzyrea also we have a couple of libraries wanting to put into the pot for cover image fallback - so if you know anybody who wants to contribute to that, send them our way
01:52 eythian @later tell magnuse <wizzyrea> also we have a couple of libraries wanting to put into the pot for cover image fallback - so if you know anybody who wants to contribute to that, send them our way
01:52 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
01:52 eythian I have a feeling he's been interested in it
01:53 dcook Cover image fallback?
01:53 eythian so if google doesn't have the cover, try amazon, and so on
01:54 dcook Mmm
01:54 dcook Rather than the current...mishmash
01:54 dcook 'twould be nice
02:00 * wizzyrea gets the popcorn for these tweets
02:00 wajasu i deleted all my auths. ran a tweaked script to read all biblios headings and gen auths into memory hash, creating when no matching heading found and updating the $9s. at the end, i saved the auths to the db, and did modbiblio with the $9s
02:09 dcook Did the trick in the end, wajasu?
02:10 dcook eythian: this script is ginormous!
02:10 eythian it is something of a monster, yes
02:10 eythian I swear, it started as something small and simple...
02:11 wizzyrea he says that every time.
02:11 dcook hehe
02:14 dcook Does it read the first row of the csv as a header?
02:17 eythian yeah
02:19 dcook Sweet. All right, let's give this script a go..
02:22 dcook Hmm, stopped before I could begin
02:23 dcook Don't have Business::ISSN installed
02:23 eythian you'll need to install that then :)
02:23 dcook Blarg :p
02:24 dcook I don't have root on this system. I really need to set up a Debian instance at home...
02:24 eythian ah
02:24 eythian that'd be annoying
02:25 eythian it's not too hard to do a local cpan install
02:26 dcook Hmm
02:26 dcook As a regular user?
02:29 jcamins Sure.
02:29 eythian yeah
02:29 dcook Looks like we have a different local script for generating authorities from the bibs, but I'm still intrigued...
02:29 eythian you can tell cpan where to put stuff, and then modify PERL5LIB to point there.
02:30 dcook That's what I was thinking off the top of my head
02:30 dcook But I wasn't sure if it was more complicated than that
02:30 eythian it's not really
02:30 dcook so "cpanm Business::ISSN"?
02:34 dcook Mmm, I think I got it now
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02:35 eythian dcook: well, you will have to configure span and tell it where to put things first
02:35 dcook[…]/lib/local/
02:35 eythian but I think it asks all those questions the first time you run it
02:35 dcook :)
02:36 druthb o/
02:37 dcook Of course I don't have local::lib...
02:37 dcook hi druthb :)
02:37 druthb Hi, dcook! :)
02:38 jcamins dcook: I just use regular cpan.
02:38 eythian yeah, you don't have to do anything fancy
02:38 eythian just make sure you tell cpan what's going on
02:38 dcook I've never used cpan before :p
02:38 dcook And only seen it used maybe twice
02:39 eythian it's very straight forward
02:39 eythian just type 'cpan'
02:39 eythian if that doesn't work, try perl -MCPAN -e shell
02:51 dcook Hmm neither seems too happy about me not being the root user
02:51 dcook Due to the location of the working directory
02:52 dcook It does prompt for user configuration though...
02:52 dcook "Please make sure the directory exists and is writable." seems ominous though
02:53 dcook Hmm lunch time in any case
02:53 eythian well point it to somewhere that exists and is writable by you
02:53 dcook Thanks again for the help jcamins and eythian :)
02:53 dcook But how does one do that?
02:53 dcook Through that user configuration?
02:54 eythian you said it's prompting for the directory?
02:54 dcook Nope
02:54 eythian did it ask you a brazillion questions the first time?
02:55 dcook It seems like it's on the way to doing so
02:55 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "CPAN config" (8 lines) at
02:55 eythian oh
02:55 eythian say yes
02:55 dcook All right
02:56 dcook Would you like me to configure as much as possible automatically?
02:56 dcook "Would you like me to configure as much as possible automatically? " *
02:56 eythian umm. try it see what happens
02:56 eythian it's always possible to start over
02:59 dcook All right, I think it's all configured..
02:59 eythian cool
02:59 dcook Or at least it's stopped asking me questions :p
02:59 eythian that's usually a sign :)
03:00 dcook Hmm..
03:01 dcook That didn't work so well me thinks..
03:01 eythian why?
03:02 dcook Cannot create directory /root/.cpan/prefs
03:02 eythian why is it trying to put stuff in /root in the first place?
03:02 dcook No idea
03:03 eythian perhaps rm -r ~/.cpan and start over, but answer all the questions yourself
03:03 dcook I don't see a mention of it in the config either..
03:04 wizzyrea what's your cwd?
03:04 wizzyrea presumably ~/
03:05 dcook yep
03:05 dcook ugh safe removals..
03:09 dcook aha!
03:09 wizzyrea \o/
03:13 dcook Configuration done better this time and Business::ISSN downloaded
03:15 dcook Hmm, missed a config variable somewhere...
03:16 dcook It wants to put it into usr/lib rather than my local dir
03:21 dcook Oh well...lunch time
04:04 wajasu dcook: my hacked scripts works. the library came alive.  15000 biblios genereated 16000 auths.  i turned on UseTtracingForAuths. got more subject links.
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05:23 dcook[…]install-directory
05:23 dcook This is the bit that I was missing: "o conf makepl_arg 'PREFIX=/home/you/lib/perl5'"
05:23 dcook Persistence ftw
05:28 rangi jcamins: about?
05:29 dcook I think he headed off to bed 30-60 minutes ago
05:30 rangi dang
05:30 rangi[…]fb48bd7dfc3#l6447
05:30 rangi 10 points if you can spot the problem :)
05:30 dcook lol
05:31 rangi its simple once you see it
05:34 rangi (you got it, or want a hint?)
05:36 dcook Got distracted :P. Apparently some hackers in Canada had a pretty good time hacking all sorts of devices and broswers today
05:36 rangi ahhh fun
05:36 dcook Word of mouth. I haven't seen any posts about it
05:37 dcook I'll take a hint though ;)
05:38 rangi look at the order of version numbers
05:38 dcook Ah
05:39 rangi hence the last one is never being run
05:39 dcook Indeed
05:39 rangi and that is why the testss are failing, took me a while to spot it
05:40 dcook Admittedly, I was looking for missing brackets and the like. Just skimmed the numbers the first time
05:42 dcook Quick question.
05:42 dcook Just like any other env variable, I can separate multiple PERL5LIB paths using a colon, yes?
05:47 rangi yes
05:50 dcook Hmm
05:56 rangi marshall breeding talking now
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06:22 * cait waves
06:22 dcook hola cait :)
06:23 cait hi dcook
06:23 cait :)
06:26 dcook Good morning so far?
06:42 dcook eythian: to get to work for authorities, do you just pass in a different leader?
06:44 dcook Probably some user supplied controlfields too..
06:45 dcook And 942...
06:49 dcook Hmm, cool beans
06:49 dcook eythian++
06:49 dcook jcamins++
06:51 cait :)
06:54 dcook night/morning/afternoon, kohafolks
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07:15 magnuse kia ora #koha! happy pizza friday!
07:16 cait hi magnuse :)
07:17 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:37 cait hi magnuse
07:37 * cait is on a mission to get all that ckae to work :)
07:38 cait bbl
07:38 magnuse yay
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07:38 magnuse lucky coworkers
07:38 magnuse well, if cait intends to share, that is...
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07:42 reiveune hello
07:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:49 reiveune salut magnuse :)
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07:59 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
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08:05 asaurat hi!
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08:05 marcelr hi #koha
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08:09 marcelr @later tell jcamins please look at bug 9767
08:09 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded.
08:10 Joubu yop
08:10 Joubu hello #koha
08:10 marcelr hi Joubu
08:12 sophie_m hi #koha
08:12 marcelr hi sophie_m
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08:13 christophe_c hello #koha
08:14 sophie_m magnuse: have you found a solution to come from Nice ?
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08:15 magnuse sophie_m: yeah, bus (or taxi) from airport to train, then train to marseille
08:15 magnuse oops Bug 7376
08:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7376 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Failed QA , Transfer limits should be checked at check-in
08:16 magnuse critical and failed qa for almost a year
08:16 sophie_m ok magnuse
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08:19 drojf good morning #koha
08:20 marcelr hi drojf
08:20 drojf hi marcelr
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08:24 drojf @later tell libsysguy_afk do i need both patches for 9316? if so, i still cannot apply the first.
08:24 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
08:26 drojf @later tell libsysguy_afk ah, looks like they are attached to the bug in the wrong order
08:26 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
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11:31 marcelr kf there
11:31 wahanui it has been said that kf there is a quick way to escape ( and ) from OPAC and Staff Client searches?
11:31 marcelr :)
11:31 kf hm?
11:31 marcelr hi kf
11:32 kf hi marcelr :)
11:32 marcelr bug 4906
11:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Allow fine calculation to exclude grace period
11:32 marcelr your problem is more about interval>1
11:32 kf hm
11:32 marcelr kyle just excludes the grace period with fines
11:32 kf I really have to test taht maybe
11:33 kf could you give an example?
11:33 marcelr later please
11:33 wahanui later is probably better
11:33 marcelr have to go
11:34 kf np
11:34 kf thx for spending time on this!
11:34 kf marcelr++
11:38 magnuse wahanui: forget kf there
11:38 wahanui magnuse: I forgot kf there
11:39 magnuse marcelr++
11:46 gerundio hi, good morning
11:47 gerundio does Koha provide the abillity to upload images to use in the News entries?
11:49 kf I am not sure, but I doubt it
11:56 magnuse don't think so, no
12:00 drojf where do the images go that you upload for covers and patrons? shouldn't you be able to cheat with that?
12:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1071 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1066 5 days 17 hr ago)
12:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9767' into 3.12-master <[…]7eb1dfbf7b36ef70c> / Bug 9767: Fix for (mixed version numbers) <[…]56846636545113f91>
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12:24 drojf magnuse: for bug 9256, will an upgrade with the patched package be enough or do i have to purge/reinstall?
12:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
12:44 drojf the need to have the right language to choose the marc flavour i want is really annoying for testing
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12:52 kf drojf: you can probably cheat... but it woudl be not so easy as they are stored in the databse
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12:58 magnuse i think images both for covers and patrons go in the database
12:58 magnuse drojf: an upgrade should be ok, i think
12:59 * magnuse runs an errand
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13:06 oleonard Hi #koha
13:06 kf hi oleonard
13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1071: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1071/
13:16 jenkins_koha Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9767: Fix for (mixed version numbers)
13:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9767 critical, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , Fix for (mixed version numbers)
13:48 oleonard jcamins: When the patch for Bug 9450 got pushed it overwrote the changes made in Bug 9647
13:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9450 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in cataloging Z39.50 search results
13:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap
13:49 oleonard Sorry, 9450 isn't the right bug
13:49 oleonard Bug 9446
13:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on Z39.50 servers administration page
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13:54 drojf oleonard: is it save to assume that layout weirdness in master in non-english view is because of the unfinished translation files? eg. i see the new, fancy logout in the english staff client but the old with visible "log out" text when i view it in norwegian?!
13:55 oleonard Don't you need to rebuild your non-en templates after each change to the en templates?
13:56 drojf it's a fresh installation so i did
13:56 oleonard Hmm
13:56 drojf let me check if i forgot it the second time
13:57 drojf oh, it's possible i did!
13:59 kf drojf: you know what would be cool? to have some kind of warning pop up when you look at outdated files...
13:59 kf it happens soooo often
14:00 * oleonard can't seem to switch to de after installing it...
14:00 jcamins oleonard: do you want me to revert 9446?
14:01 kf oleonard: did you actiavet he language chooser too?
14:01 drojf oh a lot of warning i have not seen before, so you must be right oleonard
14:01 kf and leave systempreferences... that module is a bit weird
14:01 drojf warnings
14:01 wahanui warnings are nothing to worry about.
14:01 oleonard jcamins: I guess you reverting it and me submitting a revised version is the way to go
14:02 drojf oleonard++ #works now
14:02 drojf hm but still broken unicode in patron categories
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14:05 kf jcamins++ the did you mean page is so nice
14:07 kf hmm lists look a bit weird, must be the custom css
14:10 kf hmmm
14:11 kf when i look at the lists of list they appear as underlined links - not sure yet why
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14:12 kf hm ok, it seems to be normal, it stays like that after removing opacusercss and opacuserjs
14:12 kf drojf: could you take a look at the list of lists in opac for signs of weirdness?
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14:19 drojf kf: i see underlining too and there is no indentation of the entries anymore (master)
14:19 kf oh right
14:19 kf bug
14:20 jcamins kf: bug? They've always looked like that, haven't they?
14:21 kf
14:21 kf nope
14:21 kf all I did there was to change the background color
14:22 jcamins That looks normal to me.
14:22 drojf ah that is exactly the one i used to compare
14:22 drojf :)
14:23 drojf yes but master does not look like that anymore
14:23 jcamins ?
14:24 jcamins I think I must not be understanding the problem.
14:24 jcamins Well, I'll see what it is when there's a bug/patch with a nice test plan.
14:24 * jcamins heads into the city.
14:26 drojf that is what it looks like in master
14:26 drojf at least for me. kf?
14:27 oleonard That's not what it looks like to me
14:28 jcamins I don't see that in French.
14:28 drojf interesting
14:28 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:29 jcamins Must be the long German words.
14:29 jcamins Except that looks more like Norwegian?
14:29 drojf it is
14:29 drojf and it looks the same in english for me
14:30 jcamins Hm.
14:30 jcamins Germs?
14:30 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
14:30 jcamins That must be the problem. :P
14:31 drojf maybe. anyway, gotta shower and do some shopping. (shower si good against germs too ;)
14:31 drojf s/si/is
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14:43 oleonard Sorry folks, this is not valid: <th/>
14:43 oleonard Just sayin'.
14:47 drojf but it looks cool :D
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15:06 * drojf annoys libsysguy
15:06 libsysguy heh
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15:08 magnuse drojf++ for being annoying ;-)
15:09 drojf heh. i learned a lot from kf :P
15:14 magnuse kf++
15:16 magnuse drojf: i think the unicode thing with the patron categories is a problem with the norwegian sample data, unrelated to the search problem
15:16 magnuse it's on my list of things to look at
15:18 magnuse i believe there is a file of sample data that is not unicode or something like that
15:21 magnuse and drojf++ for testing bug 9256!!
15:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
15:41 magnuse do we really have to say "Koha *Online* Catalogue" everywhere? shouldn't "Koha Catalogue" be enough?
15:42 kf magnuse: translating? ;)
15:42 magnuse trying not to :-)
15:43 oleonard magnuse: You could set your LibraryName pref
15:44 * oleonard would sign off on a patch which removed "online"
15:44 magnuse it's just that i'm seeing "koha online catalogue" in a thousand places... :-)
15:44 magnuse yay! one day... ;-)
15:44 magnuse gah, what is wrong with this file?[…]b1aafd5df;hb=HEAD ?
15:45 magnuse when i tell ff to display it as utf8 it looks good, but when it's loaded into the database and displayed in the patron category dropdown the æøå is wrong
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16:04 drojf magnuse: we need koha *online* catalogue as opposed to our koha card catalogue ;)
16:05 magnuse hm, looks like the problem with the patron category dropdown might not be a problem with my data, but how it's displayed in that dropdown. when i go to edit a patron category the norwegian names look a1 ok
16:05 magnuse drojf: yeah there is that ;-)
16:06 drojf yes all other non-ascii things i have seen were ok
16:06 drojf but i have not looked around a lot
16:07 magnuse hm, adding the html_entity filter to the display fixes it
16:07 reiveune bye
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16:07 magnuse i'll do a quick patch for that
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16:21 magnuse drojf: if you do happen to have the time, perhaps you could have a go at Bug 9772 too
16:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9772 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page
16:21 magnuse since it sounds like you have a norwegian install going and have observed the problem
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16:21 magnuse :-)
16:21 * oleonard wonders why one would ever want to auto-fill the call number field with MAX(itemcallnumber)
16:22 gmcharlt oleonard: accession numbering, presumably
16:23 oleonard meaning some libraries' call numbers are simply consecutive?
16:24 * oleonard should know better... mad schemes etc.
16:25 gmcharlt oleonard: yep; typically done for special collections where nobody but the librarian ever walks the stacks
16:26 oleonard That would be interesting in a public library. "I'm looking for a book..." "Well, when did we buy it?"
16:26 gmcharlt that, or it's an Extreme Library
16:27 gmcharlt "collocation by topic is for wimps... Real Librarians hold the catalog in their head!"
16:27 * oleonard is looking at YUI AJAX code in cataloging plugins. sadface.
16:28 magnuse @quote get 123
16:28 wahanui
16:28 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:28 magnuse moahahaha
16:28 * magnuse takes the dogs for a walk
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16:39 jcamins Many libraries use consecutive call numbers.
16:40 jcamins Actually, one of the weird things about the ANS is that it *doesn't*.
16:43 oleonard Anyone here familiar with value_builder/ I'm trying to figure out what circumstance would invoke the code at line 97[…]fc93c0b13;hb=HEAD
16:44 oleonard What kind of call number would that part of the script address?
16:44 oleonard if ( $code =~ m/^[A-Z.\-']+$/ )
16:45 drojf oleonard: i think if you put in "whatever", it will look for the highest callnumber with "whatever". like you have "whatever 123" in your db, you will get "whatever 124" in the cataloguing thingy
16:46 jcamins The prefix must contain only capital letters, a periods, dashes, and apostrophes.
16:46 jcamins ... which is crazy
16:46 oleonard LOC-specific?
16:46 drojf oh i ignored the regex part
16:47 drojf nevermind me. sugar coma
16:47 jcamins oleonard: nah, must be a particular type of call number used in France.
16:47 jcamins The apostrophe is what gets me.
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16:56 * drojf wonders why there are no authority types for normarc
16:57 jcamins drojf: because magnuse hasn't copied the MARC21 files over to te NORMARC directories.
16:59 drojf i'm sure they differ in one or two subfields :P
17:00 jcamins Actually, I think magnuse said that NORMARC didn't have an authority format.
17:00 drojf oh! that's interesting
17:02 oleonard Anyone here who speaks UNIMARC?
17:03 * jcamins guesses libsysguy ate a bit too much at brunch.
17:03 oleonard I thought maybe you were making a comment about the quantity of brunch you ate libsysguy
17:03 oleonard jinx
17:03 libsysguy I thought I was too
17:03 libsysguy but I didn't actually get brunch
17:03 libsysguy I was going to eat at the gym
17:03 libsysguy but I decided i felt too sick after my leg workout
17:03 libsysguy lol
17:07 magnuse drojf: jcamins is right, NORMARC does not define frameworks for authorities. i do plan to make the MARC21 auth frameworks work for NORMARC, though: bug 9057
17:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9057 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for athorities to NORMARC
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17:08 drojf so that means you have normarc that gives you a handful of norway-special fields and you sacrifice all authority stuff for it? that sounds like an interesting idea ;)
17:10 magnuse #marcmustdie!
17:10 * oleonard is doing very wrong things with cataloging plugins
17:10 magnuse oleonard++
17:11 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza
17:11 jcamins I made pizza yesterday.
17:11 jcamins It was delicious.
17:12 magnuse (with reindeer sausage and pomegranate for topping - it's like lots of little, red noses...)
17:13 jcamins Pomegranate?
17:13 jcamins Interesting.
17:13 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
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17:18 magnuse jcamins: it's like small, sweet explosions in your mouth, which contrast really well with the salty sausage :-)
17:18 drojf i thought hamster was the topping of the week
17:18 magnuse lol
17:23 cait hi :)
17:23 cait magnuse: small sweet explosions?
17:24 jcamins Pomegranate.
17:24 cait mmh
17:25 jcamins ... why would you have a significant mass market paperback collection at a library and _not_ expose the records on your OPAC?
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17:29 drojf jcamins: hipster librarian, only showing the cool stuff in the opac?
17:29 cait jcamins: not sure I can follow :)
17:30 jcamins cait: on one of my mailing lists, a librarian just asked about how others treat mass market paperbacks.
17:30 jcamins This particular library has them cataloged, but only lets staff see the records since patrons can't place holds on the books.
17:31 jcamins It seems to me that people who read mass market paperbacks would be more likely to come into the library if they knew there were books they were interested in.
17:31 oleonard Crazy talk!
17:34 drojf if you want to get people into reading, force them to start with heavy stuff they are not interested in before you tell them about the mainstream books you have :P
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18:37 * oleonard cuts out early
18:37 jcamins Lucky!
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18:43 jcamins Huh! I missed this one:
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20:21 jcamins Did anyone else know we had keyboard shortcuts in Koha?
20:25 Oak :)
20:26 Oak i did not know.
20:26 jcamins Apparently Alt-r brings up the search screen.
20:27 Oak can't be a bug :)
20:27 jcamins Well, it could be, but I don't think it is.
20:27 jcamins The only problem is that on Macs, the Alt key is also the compose key.
20:27 Oak let's try all keyboard combinations
20:28 jcamins That's on the staff client, not the OPAC.
20:28 Oak hm
20:28 bgkriegel hi, Alt-r takes me to 'check in' (windows)
20:28 jcamins bgkriegel: really?
20:29 bgkriegel yep
20:29 jcamins Odd.
20:29 jcamins Oh, I see.
20:29 jcamins If the check in box is not visible, it takes you to search screen.
20:30 * jcamins thinks he can guess who chose the shortcut.
20:30 Oak who?
20:30 jcamins oleonard.
20:30 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
20:31 jcamins The 'r' is probably for "return," and that's a USian term. :)
20:31 bgkriegel well, in about page takes me to check-in also
20:31 Oak @wunder islamabad
20:31 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 18.0°C (12:00 AM PKT on March 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
20:31 jcamins bgkriegel: really?
20:32 bgkriegel yes, again
20:32 jcamins Okay, in that case I speculate that it doesn't function quite right on very old versions of Firefox on Mac.
20:32 jcamins :)
20:32 bgkriegel :) I'm in chrome
20:33 jcamins I'm on an old Mac with an old version of FF.
20:33 jcamins Also, I noticed that the key mappings all seem to be... weird.
20:35 bgkriegel is the same on ff, opera and safari
20:37 jcamins Yeah... according to the code, Alt-q should bring up the search page not Alt-r.
20:37 jcamins Hm.
20:37 jcamins Not that it matters.
20:37 jcamins We generally recommend using web browsers released within the last five years.
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20:40 Oak me go now. take care all.
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20:57 jcamins nora++
20:57 jcamins melia++
20:57 melia heh what am I getting a ++ for? :)
20:58 jcamins melia: I figure you're probably the one who got Nora signing off on things. :)
20:58 melia yep, with Kyle's help. I was going to do the git part for her. :)
20:58 jcamins You should teach her how to do the git part too. :)
20:59 jcamins Then she can sign off on even more! :D
20:59 melia I will!
20:59 jcamins On an unrelated note, bound-withs are cruel and unusual.
21:00 jcamins I am on item 7 in a 13-part bound-with, and it is sapping my will to classify.
21:10 jcamins melia: BTW, you know that the code for the sandboxes that BibLibre hosts is in the contribs repo, right?
21:10 melia yes, but I can't ever make the sandboxes work :(
21:10 jcamins I haven't had much luck with them either.
21:10 jcamins But the idea is inspired. :)
21:11 melia it is!
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21:34 jcamins melia: you can sign off on multiple patches by using `git rebase -i origin/master` and choosing to "edit" each patch you want to sign off.
21:34 melia ah ok. let me try that.
21:34 jcamins Then, you do the "git commit --amend -s" to add your sign offs and `git rebase --continue` to move on to the next patch.
21:34 melia yes! I can see both of them now. thank you!
21:35 jcamins You're welcome.
21:35 jcamins That's the safe way of doing it.
21:35 jcamins You may also see references to "filter-branch." Ignore them.
21:35 jcamins (filter-branch being the incredibly dangerous way of doing the same thing)
21:36 melia ok
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21:55 melia well, I've got them both signed off now but can't seem to get them attached again
21:55 melia what's wrong with this:
21:56 melia melia@ByWater-Test:~/kohaclone$ git bz attach -e 8943 <4a21cb0>
21:56 melia -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
21:56 jcamins What error are you getting?
21:56 jcamins You have angle braces.
21:56 jcamins It should just be 4a21cb0
21:56 jcamins Or, alternatively, HEAD^ and then HEAD
21:56 jcamins No need to look up hashes.
21:57 melia oh duh
21:57 melia it's because it's in between those in the instructions on the wiki, and I just copy/pasted :)
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21:58 jcamins Yeah, unfortunately there isn't really a consistent way that we indicate that you should replace the example with a real value.
21:59 melia you just need to use your head when you read the instructions :)
21:59 melia ok I finally got both signed off patches on there. thanks, jcamins!
22:00 jcamins Yay!
22:00 jcamins You're welcome.
22:01 bag YAY melia and jcamins with the assist :)
22:03 jcamins bag: this is the rewarding part of being RM. :)
22:04 bag :)
22:16 jcamins It's kind of impressive: when I arrived this morning, it was snowing briskly. By now the snow on the ledge outside the window has almost entirely melted.
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22:21 rhcl ignore me, I'm just trying to find a chat client I like
22:22 jcamins rhcl: which have you ruled out so far?
22:22 rhcl Konversation
22:23 jcamins I use irssi.
22:23 maximep used to really like Konversation
22:23 celery yea, let me try that one. I used to use it many many moons ago
22:23 maximep but i'm a kde fan :p
22:23 celery Yea, me too, I run OpenSuse
22:25 maximep now i'm just connecting directly in Opera because i'm too lazy to install/learn anything else
22:25 jcamins maximep: I didn't realize that Opera had a built-in IRC client.
22:25 maximep it's also my mail client for the same reasons
22:26 rhcl ...wonder if Thunderbird has an IRC client....
22:26 jcamins rhcl: I think so.
22:26 maximep chatzilla for firefox
22:26 jcamins Certainly FF does.
22:26 jcamins And maximep even knows what it is called.
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22:28 maximep really hoping I won't lose any of those features of Opera when they switch to webkit
22:29 jcamins maximep: oh, yeah, I heard that Opera was switching to webkit.
22:29 jcamins Rather narrows the browser field.
22:29 maximep yeah they released the first beta of opera for android
22:29 maximep with webkit
22:29 jcamins The options will be: gecko/mozilla, gecko/mozilla, webkit, webkit, webkit, ie.
22:29 maximep looks and feels exactly the same as chromium, but a few extra features
22:30 jcamins (Mozilla, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, and IE, respectively)
22:30 maximep but weirdly, all webkit implementation are different in some major ways
22:30 maximep from chrome to chromium to safari to qt-webkit
22:30 maximep to gtk-webkit
22:31 maximep all fine for me if IE could die
22:31 jcamins Hehe.
22:31 jcamins Agreed.
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22:33 maximep I guess I like being in the 0.01% of people using my browser configuration
22:33 maximep and having half the web not work for me :p
22:33 jcamins maximep: I thought you used Opera, not IE. :P
22:34 maximep Opera/Gentoo/No flash/No Javascript
22:34 maximep really fast :p
22:35 maximep of course I enable javascript for most websites because these days nothing works without it
22:35 jcamins You would not be able to edit records in my new cataloging interface.
22:35 jcamins celery1: how do you like it?
22:35 maximep yeah... that's why I stick to firefox at work hehe
22:36 celery1 well, this is Thunderbird. I kinda like it.
22:37 maximep 5 hours left today and it'S 17:34. Hmmm. That won't work.
22:37 maximep *of work left
22:37 jcamins maximep: ugh.
22:37 jcamins I hate it when that happens.
22:38 rhcl I had forgotten irssi was ncurses
22:41 maximep tried irssi, finch and a few others a few years ago. I like them, but I just don't want to learn a ton of key bindings
22:41 maximep just to be on irc
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22:41 maximep and I was always missing stuff because I have too many terminals opened
22:42 jcamins Heh.
22:42 jcamins irssi runs on my development server, so when I'm doing Koha development I switch back and forth frequently.
22:42 maximep hmmm I guess that would be possible
22:43 jcamins When I'm working on other development projects, I check rather less frequently.
22:43 maximep always using 4 tabs in a screen session on my dev server
22:43 maximep could add a fifth
22:43 maximep with #koha
22:43 maximep because i'm the same way... I don't look much at this channel when i'm working on other stuff
22:43 jcamins Yep. irssi is tab 0, and 1-4 are for development.
22:50 maximep just can't concentrate on anything. Too tired. Time to go back home, I guess
22:50 jcamins Sounds like a good idea to me.
22:50 jcamins I'd do the same if I didn't have only 2 pamphlets left.
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