IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-26

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01:02 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:03 mtompset I have a question about the "dontmerge" system preference.
01:04 bgkriegel what's the question?
01:04 wahanui i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:04 wizzyrea @quote search ask
01:04 huginn wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message)
01:04 wizzyrea @more
01:04 huginn wizzyrea: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..."
01:05 wizzyrea @quote get 145
01:05 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
01:05 bgkriegel :)
01:05 mtompset dontmerge {dont/do}automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the cronjob.
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01:05 wizzyrea the first question
01:05 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:05 mtompset What does that last sentence mean for a default installation?
01:06 mtompset I'm trying to figure out if I should enable a cronjob. :P
01:06 bgkriegel by default is off
01:06 mtompset right, so is the cronjob started by default? Or did I misunderstand what it is saying.
01:07 wizzyrea no, it will not be enabled by default - you would have to turn it on.
01:07 bgkriegel on cron
01:07 wizzyrea in cron, yes :)
01:08 mtompset Ah... okay... so, which cron file to edit? :)
01:08 wizzyrea how did you install koha?
01:08 mtompset packages, of course!
01:09 mtompset we got nice stock install.
01:09 bgkriegel i think /etc/cron.d/koha-common
01:09 mtompset but from what you've just told me, there's another step I need to do.
01:09 mtompset -- going to play with our QA system first. :)
01:10 wizzyrea yes, probably wise
01:11 mtompset So let's say I tweak this file koha-common ... won't an upgrade clobber the change?
01:12 wizzyrea nothing in etc gets nuked afaik
01:12 wizzyrea eythian ^^
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01:13 eythian that's right
01:13 mtompset Let's ask jcamins. He knows everything. ;)
01:13 wahanui no it's not.
01:13 jcamins_ What's the question?
01:13 wahanui the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:13 eythian it's a config file, so if there are changes, you'll be asked how you want to install them.
01:13 jcamins_ Routing changed?
01:13 jcamins_ Oh.
01:13 jcamins_ I don't know anything about dontmerge.
01:13 mtompset so you have never played with in the cronjob?
01:14 jcamins_ Never.
01:14 mtompset Is your dontmerge set to "Do"?
01:15 mtompset AH... this is another case of backwards naming that confuses people.
01:15 * jcamins leaves
01:17 * eythian is opposed to preferences expressed in the negative.
01:17 wizzyrea do or do not. There is no try
01:19 mtompset I agree. It makes it confusing.
01:24 mtompset Also, the phrase in the drop down should match with the description (If you "do merge"...)
01:25 wizzyrea be rangi
01:25 wahanui There's a bug for that
01:25 wizzyrea be rangi
01:25 wahanui Send a patch!
01:25 cjh heh
01:25 wizzyrea there we go
01:26 mtompset How many 'be rangi' phrases are there?
01:26 wizzyrea only 2
01:26 wizzyrea ;)
01:29 eythian you can always add more if you need.
01:29 eythian excuse
01:29 wahanui eythian: We're upgrading /dev/null
01:30 mtompset be drojf
01:30 mtompset be jcamins
01:30 wahanui Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset be jcamins
01:30 wahanui Have some fudge.
01:30 mtompset be oleonard
01:30 mtompset be wizzyrea
01:30 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset be wizzyrea
01:30 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
01:30 mtompset Ouch!
01:30 wizzyrea :)
01:30 wizzyrea i think it's funny
01:30 mtompset be eythian
01:30 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
01:31 mtompset be logbot
01:31 mtompset be wahanui
01:31 eythian be wahanui
01:31 wahanui Look at me! I'm a bot!
01:32 * mtompset smirks.
01:32 mtompset be magnuse
01:32 wahanui let's get rid of marc while we're at it!
01:32 * mtompset laughs.
01:33 mtompset be libsysguy
01:34 mtompset be cait
01:34 mtompset be kf
01:34 mtompset I guess only the important people get "be"d. ;)
01:35 bgkriegel Good bye
01:36 eythian wahanui: be zippy
01:36 wahanui HATE it.  I LIKE it.  I HATE it.  I LIKE it.  I HATE it.  I LIKE ... EMOTIONS are SWEEPING over me!!
01:38 mtompset who is zippy?
01:38 mtompset zippy?
01:38 wizzyrea naw, only people who are predictable get be'd
01:39 eythian <-- mtompset
01:40 mtompset Okay. I thought they might be a regular here. :)
01:40 eythian wahanui: be zippy
01:40 wahanui Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:40 eythian wahanui: be zippy
01:40 wahanui INSIDE, I have the same personality disorder as LUCY RICARDO!!
01:41 eythian papa: did you get your used carpet?
01:41 papa eh??
01:41 eythian <wahanui> Someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
01:41 eythian papa: ^
01:42 papa I'm stupefied
01:42 mtompset papa, don't preach... he's in trouble deep. ;)
01:42 eythian mtompset: annoyingly he doesn't, I was waiting on a chance to pull that line out for years and never had a chance
01:43 papa I'm not a baby...
01:45 papa so who built that wahanui?
01:45 papa and with what purpose I may ask...
01:45 * wizzyrea innocently looks at eythian
01:45 wizzyrea so we can do things like
01:45 wizzyrea reports library?
01:45 wahanui it has been said that reports library is found at[…]L_Reports_Library
01:46 wizzyrea or
01:46 papa or sell carpets...
01:46 eythian papa: it's always been there, I just discovered it.
01:46 wizzyrea documentation?
01:46 wahanui documentation is at
01:46 wizzyrea or
01:46 eythian it has a zippy plugin
01:46 wizzyrea the first question?
01:46 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
01:46 eythian like the excuses plugin
01:46 eythian wahanui: status
01:46 wahanui Since Mon Feb  4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 758 modifications and 280 questions.  I have been awake for 21 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, 0 seconds this session, and currently reference 26222 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
01:46 mtompset No, no... eythian is keeping his baby (bad/confusing joke). :P
01:47 * wizzyrea totally got it
01:47 mtompset But papa didn't, "I'm stupefied"
01:48 mtompset And it is hard to get if you aren't following the context well.
01:48 mtompset Not to mention he interrupted the line with Lucy Ricardo?
01:48 eythian mtompset: also you're having a cause-and-effect reversal, as papa said that before your comment.
01:49 mtompset It worked in my mind. :P
01:50 trea some say wahanui was discovered when they broke ground on the construction of the catalyst building back in the early 20th century. some say his true purpose is to list the nine billion names of god, or perhaps to iteratively perfect the ultimate fudge recipe. nobody really knows.
01:51 rangi predates catalyst :)
01:51 rangi or at least catalysts involvment in koha
01:52 wizzyrea lol.
01:52 wizzyrea but it's STILL FUNNY.
01:52 * mtompset nods.
01:53 wizzyrea probably somewhere near the bones of whataitai
01:53 wizzyrea there's probably a spelling problem there.
01:53 rangi whaitaitai
01:53 rangi close tho :)
01:53 wizzyrea so close >.<
01:54 * wizzyrea actually knows where that is
01:54 wizzyrea "according to legend"
02:03 mtompset you have the map? ;)
02:03 wizzyrea i do actually
02:04 wizzyrea
02:04 wizzyrea aw wikipedia spells it wrong!
02:06 wizzyrea but no map there
02:06 wizzyrea the book we have has a map in it :)
02:07 wizzyrea (i've only read it to spud a gazillion times now)
02:07 rangi you should go to the museum of city and sea with spud they have a movie about it
02:07 wizzyrea A!
02:07 wizzyrea yes. that must happen.
02:08 wizzyrea i haven't been there yet either
02:08 eythian neither have I
02:08 eythian I should do so some time
02:08 cjh one step further, i've never heard of it :>
02:09 rangi heh its really good
02:09 rangi http://www.museumswellington.o[…]ton-city-and-sea/
02:09 rangi and free
02:41 bag freedom!
02:52 eythian @wunder nzwn
02:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
02:52 eythian holy crap
02:52 trea o.O
02:52 eythian wahanui: holy crap is <action>blesses crap
02:52 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:53 eythian wahanui: holy crap
02:53 * wahanui blesses crap
03:03 wizzyrea 24 really.
03:03 eythian the little temperature thing on my computer shows it in red when it reaches that.
03:06 * wizzyrea giggles
03:19 mtompset Well, time to try to accomplish everything that still won't get done. Have a good day (24 hour period).
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03:30 eythian it seems really bad that Koha runs reports twice
03:30 cjh runs reports twice?
03:30 wizzyrea how so
03:31 eythian first to get the first 20 values, the second to get the count
03:31 cjh :o
03:31 wizzyrea hm yes that does seem not good.
03:32 eythian especially when I have a report that takes over a minute to run once.
03:32 wizzyrea yea, that definitely explains some things about behaviour I've seen out of the reports module
03:33 wizzyrea does it time out?
03:33 wizzyrea speaking of - there ought to be a catch for that
03:33 wizzyrea "this report is going to return a lot of shit - are you sure you want to run it"
03:34 wizzyrea or "just download the results"
03:34 eythian well, it pages for you. That's great, but I think running the query twice is perhaps not optimal.
03:34 rangi how would you get the count?
03:35 wizzyrea at least not offer to page a query that has 64000 results
03:35 cjh is there a reason you cant either count(*) or count the number of results?
03:35 eythian Well, you don't know how many results there will be until it's run
03:35 rangi the count(*) is what happens cjh
03:35 rangi then it runs a query to get the actual results
03:36 cjh I meant, insert the count(*) into the query, but I guess that could cause issues.
03:36 rangi yup
03:37 rangi at least thats what it used to do
03:37 eythian I think perhaps a checkbox "I expect this report to be slow" and in that case it does it with a one-pass, or an option to only export it to CSV.
03:37 wizzyrea what if you stopped if the count was over a certain amount?
03:37 dcook wizzyrea: Doesn't the guided reports script have a cap of something like 10,000 results? It's been a while since I looked but I thought I saw that once
03:37 wizzyrea and said "are you sure you want to run this it may be resource intensive"
03:37 cjh wizzyrea: you still cant tell how big is it until it's run, and by then it's too late.
03:37 wizzyrea by default yea
03:37 wizzyrea unless you put a limit = more than 10k
03:37 rangi dcook: it does but you can override it .. in which case, its your own fault
03:38 eythian also, if it's a slow one, paging is useless anyway.
03:38 eythian as it'll rerun the query for each page.
03:38 rangi if you have a decent cache on mysql it will be fast
03:38 rangi unless someone has done an insert between pages
03:39 wizzyrea pretty likely on things like items or statistics
03:39 eythian not if it's an operation on the stats table, I suspect that there are too many rows to cache
03:39 eythian my report isn't using the query cache, anyway
03:39 eythian though I haven't attempted to tune the mysql params for it
03:40 rangi some things are just dumb to try and do in a single sql statement too
03:41 wizzyrea that's not going to stop people trying ^.^
03:41 rangi nope but if htey do, they wont know its gonna take ages so wont check the checkbox
03:42 wizzyrea could we make the timeout smarter on that page?
03:42 rangi what timeout?
03:42 eythian It's largely outside the control of perl
03:42 rangi yeah thats apache and/or your browser
03:43 wizzyrea like... check to see how long it's been with no response? I'm not saying I have an actual way of doing it in mind
03:43 wizzyrea mostly because I don't know if that's actually possible.
03:43 eythian Well, I think timing it and suggesting that it not be displayed on future runs could be useful.
03:43 wizzyrea but.. impossible things don't have to be impossible forever :P
03:43 eythian If it takes more than, say, 60 seconds, suggest that it be exported by default.
03:44 wizzyrea (I haven't looked) can you set a default timeout for a specific page in your apache config?
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03:45 eythian probably
03:45 eythian but reverse proxies and such make it harder.
03:45 eythian a persistent ajax-y thing would perhaps be better.
03:45 Guest257 what about backgrounding it?
03:46 wizzyrea1 IRC has gone mad.
03:47 cjh you done broke it good.
03:48 wizzyrea1[…]BlogEntry201109x2 something like this
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04:17 mtj hi all, i've got a weird git question….
04:18 mtj if i reset my koha repo to the v3.08.06 tag, with 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' ...
04:19 mtj why does git not reset my repo to the expected commit, but sets it to its  parent?
04:20 mtj the expected commit is… afaict bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03
04:20 mtj[…]efs/tags/v3.08.06
04:22 mtj yet a 'git reset --hard v3.08.06' resets my repo to  1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
04:22 mtj 1d5c2c4 is bd5bb85's  parent commit… weird?!
04:24 mtj any ideas what im doing worng?
04:25 * dcook takes a gander
04:26 dcook So bd5bb85 is the expected commit?
04:27 dcook That's definitely what I get when I run the same git command you provided
04:27 mtj ah ok, so … only me then
04:28 mtj mason@build64:~/git/koha$ git reset --hard v3.08.06
04:28 mtj HEAD is now at 1d5c2c4 Merge remote-tracking branch 'tamil/3.8.6-translate' into 3.8.x
04:28 mtj im happy to click that its just my problem
04:29 dcook It does seem rather bizarre
04:30 mtj im going for a re-clone
04:35 mtj thanks for the brain-slap dcook :)
04:36 dcook No worries, mtj. Always good to have another perspective :)
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06:01 cjh mtj: git show v3.08.06
06:01 cjh it is possible that you have moved the tag in your local copy, or that the tag has changed since.
06:02 cjh although (unless you have configured otherwise), a pull or fetch should get/update any tags that are still attached to branches.
06:03 cjh well, attached to any branches which you are fetching (default: all)
06:03 cjh could try a `git fetch --tags` to get it to fetch all tags.
06:04 pastebot "mtj" at pasted "git show" (22 lines) at
06:04 mtj thanks cjh
06:05 mtj weird, for me…. i still get the wrong/parent commit, not the one i expect
06:05 cjh yeah, your local tag doesnt match the remote tag.
06:05 cjh your git show is: 1d5c2c4587cbc1d349ae6bf79d12d96f401384fa
06:05 cjh for me it is bd5bb8549bc962e00206b14aa417b89cb0adac03 (like you expected it to be)
06:06 mtj ok ok… so its still my local repo is futzed somehow :) all good
06:06 cjh did you try a git fetch --tags and then try a show again?
06:07 mtj yep, still borked
06:08 cjh hmm --tags should get them all, are you sure you are looking at the right remote?
06:08 mtj np, its not a critial dev repo here, just a tmp repo
06:09 mtj yes, i seem to be
06:10 mtj i could rm/add my 'origin' repo, to force a refresh of those tags, perhaps....
06:10 mtj ...but i'll prolly just re-clone, rather than attempt to fix it
06:10 mtj im not *that* curious :p
06:11 cjh that shouldnt be needed, I am really interested now :D
06:11 cjh a clone is probably your best bet (simplest and quickest)
06:12 mtj yep, thanks for 'git show' tip , its a new one for me :)
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06:13 cjh you can also use `git remote -vv` to check your remotes, im wondering if maybe your git fetch isnt pulling from koha-community.
06:13 mtj hmmm, well its not actually :/
06:14 cjh success?
06:14 mtj its pulling from a local mirror of (to save bandwidth)
06:14 cjh and how up-to-date is your local mirror?
06:14 * cait waves
06:14 cjh morning/afternoon cait \o
06:15 cait :)
06:15 mtj so, my local mirror repo prolly has the glitch there…
06:15 mtj cjh, repo updated every day from, via cron
06:15 cjh mtj: you can set up git to have multiple remotes if you want, so I have our local mirror as well as a remote for upsteam.
06:16 mtj hi cait
06:17 mtj hmm, ill take a better look at my git thing a bit later, will keep you posted cjh
06:18 mtj (i'll attempt to come up with a theory for you)
06:18 cjh hehe no biggy if you don't, if it isn't a big deal for you then you can just ignore it :)
06:27 dcook Does anyone know if "coded_location_qualifier" was added to the items table recently? It doesn't show up in schema spy and I just notice it in my dev install...
06:27 * dcook isn't seeing it in updatedatabase though...
06:27 dcook Oh wait, there it is
06:28 dcook Not sure why Chrome's find decided to jerk me around there..
06:29 cait hi dcook
06:29 dcook hey cait :)
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07:19 reiveune hello
07:19 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:27 alex_a bonjour
07:34 * magnuse waves
07:34 magnuse @wunder boo
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.2°C (8:20 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:34 magnuse yikes!
07:39 cait magnuse: hope they fix that before we get there
07:42 magnuse yup!
07:43 magnuse patches welcome!
07:45 dcook Hmm?
07:48 cait the weather in marseille :)
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08:09 christophe_c hello all
08:10 rangi hi christophe_c
08:11 christophe_c hi rangi
08:14 dcook salut, christophe_c
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08:15 francharb hello
08:15 dcook hey francharb
08:15 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
08:16 dcook O_o
08:17 francharb 0/ dcook
08:17 francharb ;)
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08:20 kf hi #koha
08:20 rangi hi francharb and kf
08:20 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:20 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -2.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
08:20 kf hi rangi and francharb
08:20 francharb hello rangi kf
08:20 rangi @wunder nzwn
08:20 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:21 francharb @wunder lyon france
08:21 huginn francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:21 dcook @wunder Sydney, Australia
08:21 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (7:00 PM EST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:22 rangi @wunder perth, australia
08:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 37.0°C (4:00 PM WST on February 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:22 rangi thats stupid!!
08:22 magnuse too hot!
08:22 * rangi has to go to perth next week
08:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #277 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:22 * francharb cant wait for teleportation
08:22 francharb ;)
08:23 dcook Whoa..
08:23 dcook Teleportation would be sweet, but dear god Perth..
08:23 francharb ahahah
08:23 dcook And I was complaining about the heat earlier in the day...I would've melted in Perth
08:24 dcook Although +43 back in January wasn't as bad as I thought it would be..
08:24 christophe_c hi dcook
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08:28 dcook wb, francharb
08:29 francharb :)
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08:57 cjh wow 37 degrees, that is a bit too warm.
08:59 rangi im not touching that email
09:00 * magnuse has tried +42 - not fun!
09:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #277: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/277/
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #71 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:04 kf rangi: aaaw
09:04 kf me neither
09:04 kf I guess explaining it would not make it easier... and I have no idea what he/she is trying to do
09:05 rangi neither do they :)
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09:12 gaetan_B hello
09:12 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
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09:13 dcook Hmm, any tips on troubleshooting this indexing error?
09:13 kf what is your error?
09:13 drojf good morning #koha
09:13 dcook Entity: line 248: parser error : XML declaration allowed only at the start of the document
09:13 dcook <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
09:13 dcook ^
09:13 dcook 19:47:45-26/02 zebraidx(3149) [warn] extract error: generic
09:14 dcook With 8184 biblios, that's a lot of possibilities..
09:14 kf hm
09:14 kf what command did you use for indexing?
09:15 dcook -b -x -z
09:15 dcook Then I tried the same but with -r instead of -z just to try to start over
09:15 dcook It was indexing just fine a few weeks ago, and I don't think I've added anything...(this is just my dev install)
09:15 kf wonder if it would work without the x... but you would still have to fix it somewhow
09:20 dcook Yep, no problem without the x
09:20 dcook Well, no error messages
09:20 dcook Must be a bad xml record somewhere in there..
09:21 kf there is a new script to find bad records
09:21 kf slice... something
09:21 kf I haven#t used it yet, but I think it's in the same directory as the rebuild_zebra script
09:22 dcook Hmm, I remember seeing that recently too
09:22 dcook Ahh...I wonder if it's because I'm on an old branch..
09:22 * dcook facepalm
09:23 kf oh
09:28 dcook Yep...when I reindex on master, no problems
09:29 * dcook thinks that he is too sleepy at this point
09:34 dcook all right, night #koha
09:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #71: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/71/
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
09:40 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
09:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
09:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
09:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
09:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
09:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #278 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:41 kf hm i got a question for duplicate checking call numbers
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10:18 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
10:18 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
10:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
10:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
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10:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
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10:22 alohabot Hi mib_n23e2u, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
10:23 mib_n23e2u hello
10:23 wahanui niihau, mib_n23e2u
10:24 mib_n23e2u how to customize intranet interface.
10:24 mib_n23e2u ??
10:24 mib_n23e2u anybody
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10:52 BobB mib_n23e2u: Have you read the manual?
10:52 BobB http://manual.koha-community.o[…]n.html#staffprefs
10:53 BobB Scroll down to 1.15
10:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #72: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/72/
10:59 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
10:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
10:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
10:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
10:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
10:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
10:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
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12:26 drojf BobB: looks like that wasn't the expected answer
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14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
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14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
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14:07 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
14:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #299: FIXED in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/299/
14:07 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Fix xmmlint problems in French fr/manual.xml
14:07 oleonard Hooray!
14:07 nengard :)
14:08 nengard not me bernardo fixed it :)
14:15 kf bgkriegel++ :)
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14:17 oleonard Didn't we previously replace use of "N°" used to mean "number?"
14:17 oleonard I'm not sure what the alternative is, but it's not comfortable to my American eyes anyway
14:17 kf hm I think if it's translatable maybe not a problem?
14:18 kf I could translate it to Nr. in German I guess
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14:19 oleonard We use "No." elsewhere, but never by itself (which would be confusing for translations)
14:19 kf it could be
14:19 kf may end up translates as no
14:20 kf so N° is french?
14:21 oleonard Apparently
14:21 kf didn't know that :)
14:21 drojf i thought it is british
14:22 oleonard It's not that it doesn't make sense to me, it just looks odd
14:22 kf koha language confusion :)
14:22 * oleonard won't worry about it
14:22 drojf
14:32 kf and who does use it now?
14:32 kf hm
14:33 drojf typography people :D
14:34 Dyrcona people who know how to use their compose key?
14:34 oleonard I found it used in the patch for Bug 9685
14:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9685 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Allow sort baskets by number
14:48 kf hm that's werid
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14:52 allora Hi community ;)
14:52 oleonard Hi allora
14:53 allora is there any documents describe smilarity and defferences about community and liblime edition?
14:53 oleonard Not that the community produces
14:54 oleonard allora: Koha and "Liblime Koha" diverged several versions ago, so I assume they're quite different by now
14:55 drojf only liblime and their customers know what is in there i guess
14:55 allora yeah, right... :)
14:55 allora alright
14:55 oleonard Why do you ask allora?
14:57 allora i need to take a choose, so i have to ask
14:58 allora any documents show development road map? for example will u develop lucene based search or cource reverve module?
14:58 drojf well. if you want to be able to work with and/or get support from the community and use a free and open source software product, you should use koha
14:59 drojf search rewrite?
14:59 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC
15:00 drojf ^^ there is some info about future devekopments regarding search in koha
15:00 drojf some people are working on solr integration
15:00 oleonard allora: Koha is developed and supported by support companies all over the world. It is contributed to by developers all over the world. "Liblime Koha" is supported by only one company and has no outside contributors.
15:01 oleonard allora: You get none of the advantages of Open Source if you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:01 allora ii. Solr query syntaxUp to 6,0002-4 weeks
15:02 allora :)
15:02 drojf that is development time, not estimated time of arrival though
15:03 allora if i pay for this next distro will contain solr?
15:03 drojf i think you have to speak to jcamins about details :)
15:07 allora next question... if someone/company develops a custom module for my koha version, is there any problem when i need to upgrade koha version?
15:08 oleonard If you pay someone to add functionality to Koha, you should require that they submit it to the Koha project for inclusion, and see it through
15:10 drojf what oleonard says. think "develop for koha", not "develop for me". if the feature can be generalized so it is useful for others too, you can get it into the koha codebase and it is automatically there in upgrades too. if you choose to not contribute but keep it a local change, you will have to adjust it to every upgrade you do
15:11 allora you mean, if you like functionality you can add it global koha distros, right?
15:11 allora ok
15:11 drojf yes. all functionality you see in koha now was contributed by someone
15:11 drojf that is how free and open source software works :)
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15:15 drojf allora: if you plan to add functionality it is good practice to put a request for comments on the wiki, or discuss it on the developer mailing list. at least if it is a bigger feature. that way you might get useful input on how to make it useful for everyone
15:16 drojf also check the bug tracker, if somebody is working on it already
15:16 drojf bug tracker?
15:16 wahanui it has been said that bug tracker is
15:18 allora i think luce based search is a big feature. So, i dont think someone can develop this feature for free :)
15:19 oleonard We do not suggest that someone should do so
15:19 allora you are right!
15:20 drojf[…]search=solr&go=Go
15:21 jcamins Why do you want to use Solr/Lucene?
15:21 jcamins And the Solr query syntax is probably not what you want.
15:24 allora its fast (as zebra), has rich facet search functionality, has stemming algor. for other languages and has field boosting
15:25 jcamins The stemming is definitely superior.
15:26 jcamins The faceting is better, though not as much better as everyone thinks.
15:26 jcamins Relevancy adjustments can be made with Zebra too, though.
15:27 jcamins Indeed, a part of the search rewrite addresses relevancy.
15:27 jcamins A part also addresses Solr.
15:27 kf allora: a reserve module has been in the works - bugzilla will know the current status, we have a quite strict qa proces
15:27 kf s
15:28 allora also solr is getting industry standart
15:28 kf allora: where are you located? will you need a translated interface?
15:29 allora yeah, i need arabic and turkish interfaces
15:29 kf dorgetliblime koha then.
15:29 jcamins In that case, LL Koha isn't an option.
15:29 jcamins LL Koha isn't translated.
15:29 allora but it is not problem for me
15:30 kf allora: here you can see the translations for koha:
15:30 drojf ha, i did not know that. although it is obvious when you think about it
15:30 allora i saw...
15:30 kf allora: translation no longer works there, even if you did it yourself, that's the problem
15:30 allora stemming is key feature for me
15:32 allora so, for international use cases solr is a big "requirement"
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15:34 kf jcamins: what's the state of stemming in koha? I think something like lingua::snowball or similar was used?
15:34 jcamins You could try LL Koha, but you can't get support from anyone other than LL.
15:35 allora search is very complicated issue if you dial with many languages
15:35 jcamins kf: we don't do significant stemming.
15:35 jcamins allora: I know. That's why I proposed the search rewrite.
15:35 jcamins kf: one of many things I proposed. :)
15:35 drojf stemming has to be turned off when you use icu anyway?
15:36 kf allora: if it's any help... we have search in hebrew for one of our supported libraries working, not stemming, but search itself seems to work well for them
15:36 kf and other like delhi public library use koha too with a lot of different scripts
15:36 jcamins drojf: "stemming" is a bit of a misnomer in that case.
15:37 tcohen morning #koha
15:37 jcamins Morning.
15:37 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
15:37 drojf i should probably pay more attention to the linguistic aspects of koha
15:37 gmcharlt @quote random
15:37 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
15:38 drojf hi tcohen
15:40 jcamins allora: I am biased, but it is my opinion that the best way to get a system that does what you want would be through the search rewrite.
15:40 jcamins :)
15:41 oleonard In face we are all biased: Under no circumstances will we recommend that you choose "Liblime Koha"
15:41 jcamins Right.
15:41 * kf nods
15:44 drojf isn't there going to be this huge switch of public libraries to koha in turkey?
15:44 jcamins drojf: there is, yes.
15:44 jcamins I want to say I heard that something like 120 libraries are involved.
15:45 drojf allora: have you heard about that?
15:45 drojf i think it was 1200 actually
15:45 kf maybe we scared him/her away now :)
15:45 drojf or not?
15:45 wahanui not is, like, maybe removed from my search
15:45 jcamins drojf: well, I had the 1 and 2 right.
15:46 drojf 0s don't count ;)
15:47 jcamins o.O
15:48 jcamins I have a book published in 1664 with a *fake* letter from the author to someone else dated 1650.
15:48 drojf[…]uary-2013/#turkey
15:48 jcamins Charming and bizarre.
15:48 jcamins Ah. Quite right. 1100.
15:49 drojf how do you know it's a fake letter?
15:51 jcamins It was written in the twentieth century.
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15:52 jcamins Maybe late nineteenth.
15:53 kf hm
15:53 kf exporting marc from the cart gives me problems with umlauts? *sigh*
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15:54 drojf jcamins: sounds bizarre indeed
15:55 jcamins But charming.
15:56 drojf very!
15:59 jcamins kf: ?
15:59 kf nice umlauts in koha, but when I export from cart and use marcedit on the file I end up with those instead of the diacritics
15:59 kf I am a bit puzzled and had hoped someone had seen it before
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16:00 kf also marcedit gives an error
16:00 kf while transforming the file. hm.
16:00 drojf but it looks ok in the file?
16:00 drojf and the file is utf8?
16:00 kf it looks ok in koha... and I told it to be utf-8 I think
16:01 jcamins What error does Marcedit give?
16:01 jcamins I see nothing wrong with that.
16:01 jcamins Marcedit doesn't display diacritics.
16:01 kf sec
16:01 drojf i dont remember it not showing diacritics
16:02 kf jcamins: 3 records were processed in 0,093601 seconds.  Some records appear to be invalid and were processed using MarcEdit's loose breaking algorithem.  It's recommended that you use the MarcValidator to identify the invalid records
16:02 kf ok, now the relaly weird thing is: the file from the email works.
16:02 jcamins Ah.
16:02 jcamins drojf: it breaks the diacritics to {diacriticname}
16:02 jcamins Or did last time I used it.
16:02 drojf those are not the diacritic names i would expect
16:03 jcamins drojf: yeah, kind of weird diacritics for German.
16:03 kf yep, file using the download option - broken, using the email functinality and the attached file - all good
16:03 * kf is still puzzled
16:04 * drojf puts together the pieces of the kf puzzle
16:04 kf heh thx :)
16:05 kf drojf: don't lose any pieces :)
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16:15 jcamins nengard: they're looking for Horton spottings, not Who spottings?
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16:18 oleonard jcamins: How could you have a Who spotting when they are too small to see?
16:18 nengard i guess jcaming
16:18 nengard can't type
16:18 nengard jcamins
16:19 jcamins oleonard: you might hear them. :P
16:19 nengard hehe
16:19 oleonard jcamins: Then it would be a Who hearing not a Who spotting :P
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16:20 nengard oh boy
16:20 nengard what have i done??
16:20 jcamins oleonard: I don't know. It's a "spot" a Who was located... it could be a spotting.
16:21 oleonard When they held Who hearings I heard your record on Who spottings was spotty
16:21 jcamins lol
16:22 drojf earspotting
16:22 drojf that sounds like something nasty
16:23 drojf oops, i'm not working. i'll turn you all off so i can't see you
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17:00 rambutan @seen wizzyrea
17:00 huginn rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 15 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> (I haven't looked) can you set a default timeout for a specific page in your apache config?
17:00 rambutan @later tell wizzyrea
17:00 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded.
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17:26 oleonard If I run "prove xt" and it fails because of the new single_quotes test, shouldn't Jenkins also be complaining?
17:26 jcamins oleonard: Jenkins should be yes.
17:26 jcamins Isn't he?
17:27 jcamins !jenkins status
17:27 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
17:27 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 32 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/3_6_Packages/32/
17:27 jenkins_koha 3_8_packages: last build: 201 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]3_8_packages/201/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 72 (7 hr 9 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/72/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x(disabled) : last build: 36 (1 yr 2 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/36/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x(disabled) : last build: 80 (1 yr 0 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/80/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 76 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/76/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 278 (7 hr 46 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/278/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 299 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/299/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.10.x: last build: 29 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/29/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.8.x: last build: 27 (3 hr 20 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.8.x/27/
17:27 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 1061 (1 day 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1061/
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17:27 reiveune bye
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17:27 jcamins Hm.
17:27 jcamins Apparently not.
17:39 jcamins oleonard: there's already a patch for that.
17:39 jcamins It's awaiting QA.
17:40 oleonard For which file?
17:40 jcamins
17:40 oleonard Oh, for both. *sigh*
17:40 jcamins Bug 9555 I think.
17:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Template files contain single quote strings
17:55 tcohen what jobs do jenkins do to check the status of koha sourcE? make? make test?
17:56 jcamins tcohen: search on the wiki for "jenkins"
17:56 tcohen thx
17:56 jcamins Or "continuous integration."
17:56 jcamins One of those should bring you to the page with the jenkins script.
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18:02 Morthland Hey all, My Koha started giving me this error this past weekend: Not Found  The requested URL / was not found on this server.
18:08 oleonard Morthland: Go on...
18:10 kf bye all
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18:13 Morthland My
18:13 Morthland Hmm.
18:13 Morthland it would seem that apache2.conf is reset to a default.
18:14 Morthland as is my ports.conf
18:23 * jcamins wonders if paul_p is related to René Poulain, the wine expert.
18:24 libsysguy Morthland you probably did an update to apache and the package maintainers version overwrote your symlinked one
18:25 libsysguy or edited one
18:25 libsysguy whatever you do
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18:35 Morthland Yeah.
18:35 Morthland I figured it out.
18:35 Morthland My IT ran an update.
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18:38 jcamins bgkriegel: hello. I hope you are thinking of running for a position during the 3.14 release cycle? :)
18:38 bgkriegel hehe
18:39 bgkriegel I was thinking about
18:40 jcamins :D
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18:46 rangi i need someone to take over rmaint :)
18:46 bgkriegel that's too much :)
18:47 jcamins RMaint was fun. :)
18:47 rangi its less than QA
18:47 rangi by the time a patch gets to rmaint
18:47 jcamins But after being RM, I would prefer not to run for anything.
18:47 rangi its been signed off, qaed, checked by the release maintainer
18:47 rangi its just checking it doesnt bust the stable branch and is it a feature or not
18:47 oleonard jcamins: Didn't you hear? We've made it a lifetime appointment.
18:48 jcamins oleonard: I did hear.
18:48 rangi[…]ki/Roles_for_3.14
18:48 * jcamins will declare that his life is over May 22, thereby opening the way for someone else.
18:49 rangi heh
18:49 rangi qa is actually one of the most important roles
18:49 jcamins It definitely is.
18:49 rangi the better job they do, the easier everyone elses job is
18:50 jcamins Oh, you put yourself on the docket for QA! Awesome!
18:50 * rangi is gonna put his money where his mouth is
18:50 bgkriegel :)
18:53 bgkriegel rangi: Bug 8917, make any sense what I wrote?
18:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
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18:55 tcohen how many bucks do one gets for picking rmaint position?
18:56 jcamins tcohen: that's part of the problem... there's no funding for anything.
18:56 oleonard tcohen: An unlimited supply of "Koha bucks" which unfortunately are not redeemable for anything
18:57 Morthland How do I hide the IP address?
18:57 jcamins Morthland: hide the IP address?
18:57 Morthland I mean, our site is
18:58 jcamins Right.
18:58 Morthland but when you go there, it simply shows our IP address
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18:59 jcamins You tell IT to fix it.
18:59 bgkriegel there is something in your http server configuration
18:59 tcohen heh jcamins oleonard
19:00 Morthland How can I change that so it shows
19:00 jcamins You need to get your IT folks to point to your Koha server.
19:00 jcamins *at
19:01 rangi it does, but the authnotrequired overrides that anyway
19:02 rangi ie, you dont declare the permissions needed, because none are needed
19:02 rangi ill declare an empty one
19:02 rangi but probably a better fix is to not check permissions when auth is not required
19:03 bgkriegel ok. But you have no problem. What could be the difference?
19:03 rangi ie no point doing a loop we dont have to
19:05 * rangi has to take the kids to school bbiab
19:07 Morthland I run our apache server.
19:07 Morthland I should go to apache IRC, I guess.
19:07 jcamins Morthland: oh, that makes it easy.
19:08 jcamins Rather than using a redirect, just point DNS to the Koha server.
19:08 jcamins Or use a reverse proxy setup, if there's a reason you can't serve Koha off of port 80.
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19:09 Morthland Reverse Proxy?
19:10 nengard for some reason one of my Koha VMs isn't finding the ccsr files - any ideas on how to fetch them down from git?
19:10 oleonard nengard: Wouldn't that be a problem with your branch?
19:10 jcamins nengard: git fetch origin && git checkout origin/master
19:11 nengard oleonard could be and so i'll try jcamins tips
19:11 jcamins Additional steps are necessary, obviously, if you want to do anything other than run master.
19:11 jcamins Morthland: yeah, if you have Koha on port 90 because, e.g, nginx is on port 80, set up a virtual host on port 80 that just forwards requests to port 90.
19:12 nengard hmmm
19:12 nengard that didn't work
19:12 nengard image coming
19:12 jcamins In that case either your remote is not called "origin" or you did not originally check out from
19:13 nengard i did a fetch and there was nothing to fetch
19:13 nengard cause i did a fetch this morning
19:13 nengard but when i use ccsr i see:
19:14 nengard on my other computer (same vm set up) it looks a-ok so i know it's not a bug and it's a problem with my repo in some way
19:14 oleonard nengard: Are you on a branch with changes?
19:14 jcamins Could you summarize what you see?
19:14 nengard nope
19:14 nengard no changes
19:14 nengard not nope to jcamins :)
19:14 jcamins I can't view the screenshot.
19:14 oleonard What does git log say is the last commit?
19:15 nengard jcamins i see the prog theme with the list and cart buttons in the top left like it's trying to do ccsr but can't  find the images/backgrounds etc
19:15 nengard oleonard
19:15 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
19:15 nengard HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:15 oleonard That's correct. Have you cleared your browser cache?
19:15 nengard shift refresh like 5 times
19:16 oleonard What does Firebug say in its console?
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19:16 * cait waves
19:17 nengard oleonard nothing ?
19:17 nengard hi cait
19:17 cait hi nengard and oleonard
19:18 oleonard nengard: Firebug would show errors if there were missing assets (i.e. CSS files which were not where they should be)
19:18 nengard hmmm
19:18 nengard well the console is on the 'all' tab and there is nothing there
19:18 nengard this makes no sense
19:19 cait what are we missing? :)
19:19 nengard interesting ? console shows stuff for other pages
19:19 nengard just not my vm
19:19 nengard could it be a vm thing?
19:19 nengard and cait i'm having an issue with ccsr on one of my vms
19:19 nengard HEAD is now at 9b8a527... Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master
19:19 nengard not the right thing to paste
19:19 nengard
19:19 oleonard nengard: Maybe your browser is pointing at the wrong site?
19:20 nengard how so?
19:20 oleonard More than one instance of Koha running?
19:20 nengard hmmm
19:20 oleonard nengard: If you switch the opac theme to prog does it look correct?
19:20 nengard shouldn't be - but let me kill the vm and start it again
19:20 nengard and yes
19:20 * cait was missing the icons on the homepage earlier today... thought it was that
19:20 nengard it looks right with prog
19:21 cait will have to check again later
19:21 jcamins nengard: and `git status` doesn't do something like tell you that every single CCSR file was removed, right?
19:21 nengard hang on it's restarting
19:22 nengard git status is a-ok
19:22 nengard and the server was restarted and it's still looking all wrong
19:22 nengard no other instances running that i know of
19:22 oleonard nengard: When you view source does it show that it's looking for files in /opac-tmpl/ccsr/" ?
19:22 nengard i have the weirdest problems
19:23 nengard yes
19:23 nengard <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css/opac.css" />
19:23 nengard and more
19:23 oleonard What happens if you click that link in the view source window?
19:23 nengard i see a css file
19:26 nengard i assume it's the right css file
19:26 nengard maybe it's a combo of prefs ? maybe it is a bug?
19:27 oleonard Custom CSS preference?
19:29 nengard hmm
19:29 nengard they're all blank
19:30 nengard nothing special in there
19:30 gaetan_B bye !
19:32 nengard how can i pull down a fresh repo
19:32 nengard i don't have anything special on here - i just use it when on the road doing demos
19:32 nengard ? like i will be tomorrow
19:33 bgkriegel the standard clone, git clone git:// kohaclone
19:34 nengard i don't have to delete anything first?
19:34 oleonard I would think you would have to delete kohaclone first
19:34 nengard yup
19:34 nengard just figured that out :)
19:34 bgkriegel well, I rename kohaclone (o delete)
19:38 nengard k re-cloning ? fingers crossed
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19:42 tcohen git reset --hard origin/master
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19:44 nengard well that didn't work
19:45 nengard what the heck
19:45 nengard it's fine on my other computer i don't do anything except fetch and rebase daily
19:45 bgkriegel can you see in your logs?
19:46 bgkriegel koha-opac-error_log
19:46 tcohen what's the issue nengard?
19:46 tcohen (evidence of it)
19:47 nengard tcohen when i'm using ccsr i see this:
19:47 bgkriegel tcohen: ccsr is not behaving
19:48 nengard bgkriegel what do i type to see that log?
19:48 nengard from what directory?
19:48 tcohen maybe a non-propietary OS?
19:48 tcohen (just kidding)
19:48 nengard hmmm
19:48 wizzyrea firebug doesn't say you are missing something like mobile.css?
19:48 nengard firebug says nothing
19:48 nengard at all
19:48 nengard which is strange
19:48 wizzyrea clear the cache.
19:48 bgkriegel try tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
19:48 bgkriegel and reload
19:49 bgkriegel (if your logs are there)
19:49 nengard tail: cannot open `/var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log' for reading: No such file or directory
19:49 wizzyrea yea because you need to sudo
19:49 nengard nope
19:49 jcamins nengard: you did a standard install from git?
19:50 nengard sudo didn't do it
19:50 nengard yes
19:50 wizzyrea then your logs aren't there.
19:50 nengard yup ?.
19:50 wizzyrea it's gonna be /home/nengard/koha-dev/log
19:50 wizzyrea or something
19:50 wahanui rumour has it something is wrong
19:50 wizzyrea just ls around in there until you find it
19:50 wizzyrea it'll be there.
19:51 nengard found
19:51 wizzyrea awesome.
19:51 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea
19:51 wizzyrea yusss
19:51 wizzyrea what does the awesome jar pay for?
19:51 wizzyrea ^.^
19:52 nengard [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] [error] [client] [Tue Feb 26 14:17:12 2013] Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/opac/ line 840., referer: http://kohavm/
19:52 wizzyrea naw
19:52 bgkriegel only line?
19:52 wizzyrea that's normal.
19:52 nengard no
19:52 nengard just didn't want to spam the chat :)
19:52 nengard pasting
19:52 wizzyrea did you clear your browser cache?
19:52 nengard one sec
19:53 bgkriegel many times
19:53 nengard wizzyrea i did shift-refresh ? many time
19:53 nengard s
19:53 wizzyrea no, go into the settings and clear it properly
19:53 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "log" (8 lines) at
19:53 wizzyrea that stuff is normal and not even from today
19:53 nengard today is the 26th
19:54 nengard in the US :)
19:54 wizzyrea it's not 7pm?
19:54 wizzyrea and it's not 7am
19:54 nengard 2pm
19:54 nengard 14:17
19:54 nengard 2:17
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19:54 wizzyrea oh sorry you're right
19:54 wizzyrea i mean, I just didn't see the 14
19:54 * tcohen really hates those concatenation errors, he silently squashes those anytime hi sends a patch trying people not tu realise it
19:55 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "another paste" (2 lines) at
19:55 nengard anyway, nothing out of the ordinary
19:55 bgkriegel nengard: what browser are you using?
19:55 wizzyrea no that's normal - somewhat telling is that it cna't find the ccsr favicon
19:55 nengard ff
19:55 wizzyrea but I"m not sure that exists.
19:56 tcohen bye #koha
19:56 nengard installing ff update
19:57 nengard and chrome
19:57 nengard it's the same in both
19:57 wizzyrea for kicks, restart apache in your vm?
19:57 bgkriegel in any, try to delete history, not all, just clean the cache
19:58 bgkriegel Ctrl+Shift+Del in ff
20:00 nengard hang on phone ?
20:01 wizzyrea nengard do you have a language enabled?
20:02 nengard no
20:02 wizzyrea and if you flip it off everything is ok?
20:03 nengard if i change to prog everything is okay
20:03 nengard i cleared my cache - but it was a problem in chrome and ff
20:03 nengard so that didn't help
20:03 nengard it's still ugly
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20:04 bgkriegel :(
20:04 nengard yeah
20:04 nengard it's a puzzler
20:04 bgkriegel when I see somethng like this, there were missing files
20:04 nengard and this is the computer i use for training/demoing - i use the other one for testings/signing off
20:04 nengard that's what i thought it was originally
20:04 wizzyrea do you have the ccsr files?
20:04 nengard but i just did a new pull fresh git
20:04 wizzyrea did you restart apache in your vm?
20:05 nengard yes - i seem to - i clicked on the link to the ccsr css and it opened the file
20:05 wizzyrea just for fun.
20:05 wizzyrea maybe you are out of disk space in your VM?
20:05 wizzyrea that sounds like madness
20:05 nengard nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/css$ ls
20:05 nengard babeltheque.css  datatables.css  jquery.rating.css  opac.css   sco.css
20:05 nengard colors.css       hierarchy.css   mobile.css         print.css
20:06 nengard hmm - how do i check disk space?
20:06 nengard i use virtualbox
20:06 wizzyrea df -h
20:06 wizzyrea in your vm
20:06 nengard i'm A-OK on space
20:06 nengard 8% full :)
20:07 wizzyrea so not that then.
20:07 bgkriegel file permissions?
20:07 wizzyrea ooh yes permissions
20:07 wizzyrea ls -lah would show you
20:07 nengard in which folder?
20:07 nengard the ccsr folder?
20:07 wizzyrea ccsr
20:08 wizzyrea but obv apache can read them because firebug says it can see them
20:08 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "permissions" (22 lines) at
20:08 nengard firebug shows nothing in the console - nothing at all
20:08 nengard but if i view source and click on a css file it opens the code
20:09 nengard no errors
20:09 wizzyrea seems odd they're not executable
20:09 wizzyrea maybe
20:09 nengard so change all files to 777
20:09 nengard since it's a VM anyway?
20:09 nengard not like it can be hacked
20:10 nengard :)
20:10 wizzyrea 755 would do
20:11 * wizzyrea accidentally wiped out her git repo yesterday too
20:11 bgkriegel none of my files are executable, and ccsr is ok
20:12 wizzyrea fortunately I had just pushed the things I needed to.
20:12 wizzyrea ccsr was ok for me too
20:12 rangi [5~/ws 23
20:12 rangi heh
20:12 rangi its gonna be one of those days
20:12 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "updated permissions" (22 lines) at
20:13 nengard no luck
20:13 nengard wizzyrea i did a fresh repo at the start of this ? wiped out the old one
20:14 wizzyrea OH nengard
20:14 nengard OH?
20:14 wizzyrea you have a custom CSS file defined in the sysprefs?
20:14 nengard no
20:14 nengard nothing
20:14 wizzyrea change it to colors.css
20:14 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
20:14 nengard they're all empty
20:14 jcamins css files do not need to be executable.
20:14 wizzyrea put in
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20:15 wizzyrea colors.css and opac.css
20:15 wizzyrea in the proper places
20:15 wizzyrea then it will work I think
20:15 * wizzyrea will illustrate one moment
20:15 nengard HA
20:15 nengard That was it
20:15 wizzyrea yusss
20:15 nengard wizzyrea++
20:15 nengard wizzyrea++
20:15 nengard you get it twice :)
20:16 nengard so darn simple!!!
20:16 wizzyrea pft
20:16 wizzyrea but ty, glad it's working
20:16 wizzyrea if you had looked at the source, you probably would have seen
20:16 wizzyrea that it was pointing to prog/en/colors.css
20:16 wizzyrea and prog/en/opac.css
20:16 wizzyrea because that's what the defaults are
20:16 wizzyrea if you put in opac.css, it looks in the directory for the theme
20:17 wizzyrea it's probably a bug
20:17 wizzyrea so it's safer to populate those sysprefs
20:18 bgkriegel well done :)
20:21 bgkriegel has anyone tried Enhanced content from Babeltheque?
20:22 nengard I haven't
20:23 nengard cause you have to pay ? don't you?
20:24 bgkriegel ah, was trying to test an enhancement from biblibre
20:24 nengard changing back to my other computer now that this is fixed - brb
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20:27 cait bgkriegel: sorry, no - maybe check for regressions and note that?
20:27 bgkriegel hi cait.. Ok, i'll do that
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20:29 rangi bgkriegel: ill do a fix for 8917 now
20:29 cait morning rangi
20:29 magnuse bug 8917
20:29 rangi hey cait
20:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8917 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Failed QA , Track clicks to links external to Koha
20:29 * magnuse waves
20:29 rangi hiya magnuse
20:29 magnuse kia ora rangi
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20:31 bgkriegel rangi: ok, is a nice feature
20:31 rangi yeah, albany have been using it for a while
20:31 cait yep
20:31 cait very interesting feature
20:32 rangi im thinking i might add persona logins to staff side too next
20:33 jcamins Yay!
20:34 magnuse rangi++
20:35 * magnuse wanders off
20:35 rangi cya magnuse
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21:12 rangi bgkriegel++ # thanks for the sign off
21:12 bgkriegel :)
21:12 bgkriegel now push for QA
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21:14 drojf more privacy warnings needed :P
21:14 eythian hi
21:14 wahanui niihau, eythian
21:14 rangi send a patch :)
21:15 drojf i'll add it to mine. one day :)
21:15 rangi it would be easy to check the syspref when a user logs in and say, external links are being tracked
21:15 drojf but seriously, cool feature
21:15 rangi there's not much value in tracking it to a borrower, for a public library
21:15 drojf that is what i do with all privacy-relevant sysprefs :)
21:15 rangi since most ppl arent logged in
21:15 drojf or, plan to do
21:16 rangi but for special libraries, where the whole opac is behind the login, it might be useful
21:18 oleonard See you later #koha
21:19 wizzyrea bye!
21:20 pastebot "bgkriegel" at pasted "git bz error" (13 lines) at
21:21 bgkriegel have a problem with git bz
21:21 wizzyrea well that's a new one. it does that for only one patch or all of them?
21:21 bgkriegel only this
21:21 wahanui only this is probably a neverending story somehow
21:21 bgkriegel :)
21:21 wizzyrea forget only this
21:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot only this
21:22 wizzyrea i would just do that one by hand then
21:22 wizzyrea with git format-patch origin
21:22 wizzyrea then attach the file it generates
21:22 bgkriegel yes, of course
21:22 rangi yeah i suspect htere is a utf8 char in the commit message or something
21:22 rangi and git bz cant handle it
21:22 jcamins o.O
21:22 bgkriegel it is
21:23 bgkriegel is a patch from biblibre
21:23 bgkriegel ok, i'll attach it
21:23 wizzyrea you could git commit --amend and get rid of the character
21:23 wizzyrea if you can find it
21:23 rangi its probably totally valid
21:23 rangi its just python being a dumb head
21:24 wizzyrea dumkopf
21:24 wizzyrea is my favourite way to say that
21:26 drojf dummkopf? :)
21:27 wizzyrea yes that
21:31 drojf[…]tice-ukraine-493/
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21:53 rangi  <-- swedish one
21:54 wizzyrea ok the facebook thing on there is simultaneously neat and ugly. I like the idea of it though
21:55 wizzyrea also the swedish word for "tweet" is awesome
21:55 wizzyrea ^.^
21:56 jcamins Facebook thing?
21:56 wizzyrea the pics of people who like the catalog
21:56 wizzyrea or selected folks.
21:56 eythian I don't see that at all...where is it?
21:57 rangi you probably have to be logged in ?
21:57 * eythian looks for a browser without all my "block everything" plugins...
21:57 wizzyrea oh possibly you hav eto be logged in
21:57 eythian are you logged in?
21:57 rangi to facebook i mean
21:57 wizzyrea I probably have a cookiees
21:57 eythian oh right
21:57 bgkriegel No, I see it in the main page
21:58 wizzyrea[…]/selection060.png
21:58 jcamins Interesting.
21:58 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:58 jcamins Yeah, I have all that blocked.
21:58 eythian oh right, I don't get that at all, but I don't have bookface logged in here
21:59 eythian and I have facebook tracking stuff blocked.
22:01 eythian[…]addon/sharemenot/ <-- related
22:03 magnuse hey, Munkagård is one of my customers! so cool they sent a card! :-)
22:03 rangi yep they said you asked them to :)
22:03 magnuse hehe, i did
22:05 magnuse well, more suggested than asked, i hope :-)
22:06 rangi :)
22:07 cait magnuse: you didn#t threaten to turn off their opac? :P
22:07 wizzyrea hehe
22:07 magnuse hehe, nah, thought i'd save that for the next round ;-)
22:08 wizzyrea hrm, where does one set the "reserve fee"
22:09 jcamins Item types?
22:09 wahanui Item types are used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization
22:09 wizzyrea hm I see rental fee
22:09 wizzyrea I looked in the circ rules too
22:10 wizzyrea AHA
22:10 wizzyrea it's patron categories
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23:32 eythian wahanui: wombat
23:32 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
23:33 eythian wahanui: wombat is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:33 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:33 eythian wahanui: wombats is <reply>wombats have cubic poo.
23:33 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:33 wizzyrea it's true.
23:33 wahanui I read it on the internet!
23:33 wizzyrea LOL
23:39 bag be eythian
23:39 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
23:39 bag !!!!
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23:52 dcook lol
23:52 dcook Never a dull moment in #koha :p
23:52 bag heya dcook
23:52 dcook allo bag :)

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