IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-17

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00:33 wajasu looks like the only thing i need to change to go from chr to icu zebra, is to substitute "charmap word-phrase-utf.chr" -> "icuchain words-icu.xml" in the /etc/koha/zebradb/etc/default.idx in a couple of places.
00:33 wajasu and rebuild
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01:31 drojf wajasu: i think there is not much magic involved
01:34 drojf wajasu: what i see on my list is "install yaz-icu;  Syspref UseICU 'use'; Syspref QueryFuzzy 'don't try'; Syspref QueryStemming 'don't try'. then change the file you mentioned, look at words-icu.xml but do nothing for now; restart zebra and rebuild
01:35 drojf we did not do much after the change to verify it worked because other stuff was more important, but i could find cyrillic letters which i could not find before… hth
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02:19 wajasu thanks for that info.
02:21 wajasu i did a diff before and after install with chr/icu varying.   i did notice those change compared to the current biblio pkgs.
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03:14 drojf wajasu: in what way?
03:15 drojf (do the change
03:15 drojf they
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07:45 cait bug 9566
07:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9566 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Only run analytics code if analytics are enabled
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08:01 nikumbhabhijeet hi
08:01 wahanui niihau, nikumbhabhijeet
08:02 nikumbhabhijeet we are having issues while configuring send notices
08:03 cait hi
08:03 wahanui que tal, cait
08:03 cait what is your problem?
08:03 nikumbhabhijeet system is running properly
08:03 nikumbhabhijeet postfix configured
08:04 cait which kind of notices do you have problems with?
08:04 cait which version of koha?
08:04 wahanui which version of koha are you using?
08:04 nikumbhabhijeet we can't send notices to borrowers
08:04 nikumbhabhijeet 3.06
08:04 nikumbhabhijeet koha 3.06
08:05 nikumbhabhijeet do you know about any proper documentation for configure notices
08:06 nikumbhabhijeet crontabs triggers, ad all
08:06 cait have you checked the manual?
08:06 cait manual?
08:06 wahanui well, manual is at
08:06 cait documentation?
08:06 wahanui i guess documentation is at
08:06 cait also the cronjobs have their own documentation, if you run them with -h or --help
08:06 cait I would suggest
08:06 nikumbhabhijeet we refer the documents
08:06 cait 1) try sending out a cart mail, because they don't need the cronjobs
08:07 cait it will show if your mailserver works in principle
08:07 cait 2) make sure you have set up check-in/checkout slips, check out, checkin and look at the notices tab for this borrower, to see if the notices were generated
08:07 nikumbhabhijeet we conggured postfix with gmail
08:07 cait 3) make sure the cronjob process_messagequeue is set up to actually send the mails
08:08 cait until that runs they are only saved into the messagequeue table
08:08 nikumbhabhijeet no notices generated
08:08 nikumbhabhijeet we saw
08:08 cait so nothing in message_queue?
08:09 nikumbhabhijeet there are no notices at borrower notice
08:09 cait which notice did you try to generate? there are different types of notices
08:10 nikumbhabhijeet we found two notices
08:10 nikumbhabhijeet Checkouts email sent 2013-02-17 11:57:31 Check-ins email sent 2013-02-17 11:57:31
08:11 cait yep, they should have been sent out
08:11 nikumbhabhijeet wait wait i'll see mails
08:11 cait if they didn't arrive, check your mta configuration
08:13 nikumbhabhijeet it's working
08:13 nikumbhabhijeet ya its working
08:13 cait cool
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08:16 nikumbhabhijeet thank you
08:16 nikumbhabhijeet bye
08:16 nikumbhabhijeet have a nice day
08:17 cait bye
08:18 nikumbhabhijeet hi
08:18 nikumbhabhijeet we have an another question
08:18 nikumbhabhijeet ru there/
08:19 cait yes
08:19 cait what is the question?
08:19 wahanui the question is, like, "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
08:20 nikumbhabhijeet our system is not connected to internet  while making check-in and check-out transactions
08:21 nikumbhabhijeet after 10 pm we connect our system to internet
08:22 cait it will send out the notices as soon as the processmessagequeue job runs I think
08:22 nikumbhabhijeet is all notices generated between the time ---when offline--- are going to laps or send while connected
08:23 nikumbhabhijeet so we have to configure processmessagequeue on cron setting
08:23 cait all but cart emails I think
08:23 cait and claims in acquisitions and serials
08:23 nikumbhabhijeet at specific time
08:23 cait stuff like that would be send out immediately normally
08:24 nikumbhabhijeet like 5 am morning
08:24 nikumbhabhijeet everyday  like this
08:24 cait but everything that shows up in the tabs of borrowers will be sent out
08:24 nikumbhabhijeet ok ok
08:24 cait it's pending
08:24 cait the status
08:24 wahanui the status is clear
08:24 cait and then changes to sent
08:25 nikumbhabhijeet i am feeling good, because this is my first time to chat on koha community
08:25 cait it's pretty qiuet here on weekends
08:25 cait there are a lot more people during the week
08:25 nikumbhabhijeet because we spend much of time to configre koha
08:26 nikumbhabhijeet lot of time
08:26 nikumbhabhijeet by the way, whats your name
08:26 nikumbhabhijeet where are you from
08:26 cait I am from germany
08:26 nikumbhabhijeet myself nikumbh
08:27 nikumbhabhijeet i'm from pune,india
08:28 nikumbhabhijeet thanks again
08:28 cait np
08:28 nikumbhabhijeet r u koha professional like developer
08:30 mtj hi cait and nikumbhabhijeet
08:30 cait hi mtj :)
08:31 mtj nikumbhabhijeet, are there many koha users in pune?
08:31 nikumbhabhijeet hi
08:31 mtj ... or are you the first?
08:31 nikumbhabhijeet not many
08:31 mtj ah, ok...
08:32 mtj i am from new zealand, we have a few here
08:32 nikumbhabhijeet as per my knowledge more of libraries use customised desktpo softwares
08:34 nikumbhabhijeet basically koha is best in category and promotions or anything that get koha popular is not exhist in category
08:34 nikumbhabhijeet look at us we are trying to use koha system from last to years
08:35 nikumbhabhijeet one year back we up and run koha
08:36 nikumbhabhijeet thanks to mr vimal kumar who prepare kohalive dvd 3.06
08:37 mtj cool :p - good to know you are making progress with your koha
08:37 nikumbhabhijeet now we are able to install koha
08:37 mtj if you need help, just ask here on #irc - or on the koha mailing-lists
08:37 mtj mailing-lists?
08:37 wahanui mailing-lists are mailing list.
08:38 mtj mailing lists?
08:38 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
08:38 mtj there ^^ :)
08:38 nikumbhabhijeet yesterday i signed up
08:39 nikumbhabhijeet we got some errors while running  make-test
08:39 nikumbhabhijeet 3 tests was failed
08:40 nikumbhabhijeet is there anything to worry -
08:40 mtj some errors can be ignored safely, on make-test...
08:40 nikumbhabhijeet but installation done without errors
08:40 nikumbhabhijeet and system is up and running
08:40 mtj also you should try using the koha debian packages - this will save you lots of problems
08:41 nikumbhabhijeet koha 3.10.02 on ubuntu 12.04
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08:41 nikumbhabhijeet working very well
08:41 mtj … the debian packages work on ubuntu, too  (i think)
08:42 mtj if you are new to koha, use the packages :)
08:42 nikumbhabhijeet we want to prepare debian live dvd
08:42 nikumbhabhijeet i didn't get you
08:43 nikumbhabhijeet meas use the packages
08:43 mtj packages?
08:43 wahanui i guess packages is at
08:43 mtj there ^^ :)
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08:58 mib_vgkden hi
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11:29 cait @wunder Konstnaz
11:29 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
11:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.7°C (12:25 PM CET on February 17, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
11:29 cait morning drojf :)
11:35 cait or hm
11:35 cait happy lunch time :)
11:44 cait hm
11:44 cait I don't understand why bug 9636 does not work for me
11:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9636 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap
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11:45 cait hi bgkriegel :)
11:45 bgkriegel Hello
11:45 cait and thank you for your sign-off:)
11:46 bgkriegel Hi cait, lookin for you
11:46 bgkriegel np
11:46 bgkriegel can't reproduce your problem with bug 9587
11:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9587 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow login via mozilla persona -
11:47 cait ah
11:47 cait try logging into persona first
11:47 cait then log out of koha, but stay in persona
11:47 cait I think that was what rangi's comment meant and it woudl match my testing workflow
11:48 bgkriegel ah, ok
11:48 bgkriegel would try that.
11:48 bgkriegel thanks :)
11:48 cait no, thank you :)
11:48 cait i am working my way through all the bootstrap patches right now
11:48 bgkriegel hehe
11:49 bgkriegel Love that gui changes
11:49 bgkriegel gmcharlt++
11:49 bgkriegel sorry
11:49 cait heh
11:49 bgkriegel owen+++
11:50 cait do you mean oleonard? ;)
11:50 bgkriegel yes
11:50 bgkriegel my fingers :(
11:51 cait hm?
11:52 cait i like the changes too
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11:52 alohabot Hi mib_26jow2, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
11:52 cait and hope theywill be a  lot more accessible
11:53 bgkriegel yes
11:53 mib_26jow2 hi
11:54 mib_26jow2 someone can help me about language translator in koha?
11:54 cait what is your question or problem?
11:54 mib_26jow2 first of all excuse me for my terrible english, i'm italian
11:56 mib_26jow2 i was able to install italian language an now i can activate it in I18N/L10N preference editor
11:56 mib_26jow2 but
11:56 mib_26jow2 nothing is changed
11:57 mib_26jow2 all is in english again
11:57 mib_26jow2 what is my mistake?
11:57 cait did you also activate the language chooser?
11:57 cait search the preferences again for 'lang'
11:57 mib_26jow2 ok
11:58 mib_26jow2 wait pls
11:58 cait make sure choosing the language is activated and then look at the footer of your pages
11:58 cait there should be English | Italian to switch between languages
11:59 mib_26jow2 i'm in
11:59 cait it worked?
12:00 mib_26jow2 home/administration/system preferences/I18N/L10N
12:00 mib_26jow2 i'm here
12:01 mib_26jow2 and the cross is on italian and not on english
12:02 mib_26jow2 both for language and OPAC language
12:03 mib_26jow2 any idea?
12:04 cait yes
12:04 cait but you have to switch
12:04 mib_26jow2 i don't see a switch
12:04 cait set opaclanguagesdisplay
12:04 cait to allow
12:04 cait go back to the start page - scroll down
12:04 mib_26jow2 i search
12:05 cait it's on the i18n page, the last entry
12:05 mib_26jow2 alreading done
12:05 mib_26jow2 and how i can switch?
12:06 cait click on italian
12:06 cait at the bottom
12:07 mib_26jow2 in i18n there is nothing to click
12:08 mib_26jow2 i can only enable language
12:09 mib_26jow2 what can i do?
12:12 mib_26jow2 it doesn't work
12:13 bgkriegel mib_26jow2: if you click on tab I18N/L10N, how many preferences you see?
12:15 mib_26jow2 2
12:15 mib_26jow2 ialian and english
12:16 cait preferences are all lines
12:16 cait every line in the table is one preference
12:16 cait and yes, you activated it
12:16 cait but scroll down on tha page
12:16 cait to the bottom
12:16 cait at the bottom of every page there is a  langauge chooser
12:17 mib_26jow2 i haven't it
12:17 cait maybe you didn't install the language properly
12:17 mib_26jow2 the last line on the bottom is to save
12:17 mib_26jow2 maybe
12:18 mib_26jow2 can i send you a print of my screen?
12:18 cait better use a service to upload it somewhere on the web
12:18 cait do you see the chooser on the link I sent you?
12:18 cait and is opaclanguagesdisplay ALLOW?
12:18 cait try
12:18 cait activating italian AND english
12:19 cait both checkboxes checked for each opac and intranet
12:19 mib_26jow2 ok, now i try
12:19 cait then go to the koha start page and check if the chooser appeared
12:21 mib_26jow2 wowowowowowow
12:21 mib_26jow2 it works!
12:22 mib_26jow2 i checked both italian and english
12:22 cait yay :)
12:22 mib_26jow2 so in the bottom the choice appeared
12:23 mib_26jow2 i click on italian
12:23 mib_26jow2 it worked
12:23 cait :)
12:23 mib_26jow2 and now i "put away" english
12:23 mib_26jow2 and all is good
12:24 cait heh
12:24 cait if the browser is installed in italian it hsould be ok
12:24 cait we normally also provide english, so the chooser stays visible
12:24 mib_26jow2 thank you very much
12:24 mib_26jow2 i'm very happy
12:24 cait :) have fun with Koha :)
12:26 mib_26jow2 in your opinion is better have the two choices?
12:26 cait I like it better, it's sometimes good for testing
12:26 cait but the browser should remember now
12:26 cait that you want to see italian
12:26 cait so it should not require you to select it again
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12:26 mib_26jow2 of course
12:27 mib_26jow2 where do you come from?
12:27 bgkriegel cait: I sent you and email about bug 5608
12:27 cait oh?
12:27 bgkriegel a question about the status
12:28 WaylonR helllo all! Okay, problem, somehow, wide characters have made it into some records marcxml.. how do i clean all records of wide characters?
12:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5608 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mdhafen, Needs Signoff , Tool to move MARC21 series info to 490 tag
12:28 bgkriegel mib_26jow2: cait is from Germany.
12:28 cait switch to failed qa :)
12:28 cait no problem
12:28 bgkriegel ok
12:28 cait everybody can
12:28 cait when there is a reason, I think for a script that shuffles data around a -h would be very good
12:29 cait confirmation too, so it doesn't do anything until you really want to
12:29 mib_26jow2 i'll go... thank you very much, cait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:30 bgkriegel cait: I think so, but don't know
12:30 cait no problem :)
12:30 cait bgkriegel: do you want me to switch it?
12:30 bgkriegel done already
12:30 cait ok :)
12:32 bgkriegel WaylonR: how many records?
12:33 WaylonR unknown.
12:33 bgkriegel from an import?
12:34 WaylonR data entry.
12:34 wahanui hmmm... data entry is ok, for around 2500 books, i can import it from sidd's existing xls sheets
12:34 WaylonR wahanui, forget data entry
12:34 wahanui WaylonR: I forgot data entry
12:36 cait hm could you export them, fix them and reimport matching on biblionumber?
12:37 cait bgkriegel: could yo do me a quick favor?
12:37 bgkriegel tell me
12:38 cait go to the suggestions page and check the filters on the left
12:38 cait are they broken for you too?
12:39 bgkriegel empty boxes?
12:39 cait yeah
12:39 cait I only have blue boxes
12:39 bgkriegel then yes
12:39 cait *sigh*
12:40 cait I will file a bug :)
12:40 WaylonR cait, how do i fix wide characters?
12:42 cait not totally sure
12:47 bgkriegel cait: the text is there, but invisible. Must be a css thing
12:47 cait bgkriegel: maybe
12:47 cait trying to find it
12:47 cait the last changes on this page were to fix the filters
12:47 cait so that was hardly to bemissed... it must be some side effect
12:48 cait maybe I iwll just file a bug for now
12:48 cait investigating will take time :(
12:48 bgkriegel yeah
12:48 bgkriegel :(
12:50 cait done
12:50 cait bug 9653
12:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9653 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Filters on suggestion page in intranet are broken
12:52 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC
12:56 bgkriegel cait: was the last merge, do a reset and legends shows up
12:57 cait ah so must have been owen's changes for bootstrap?
12:57 cait maybe note that on the bug?
12:57 cait i mean the merge that caused the problem?
12:58 bgkriegel I think so, the he need to make a solution:)
12:58 cait i think if it's the css owen will do a patch :)
13:20 bgkriegel cait: Bug 9651 is easy, but a question: when you delete a budget only asks Delete/Cancel, but delete funds is more polite :) Change to shorter version or simply fix?
13:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
13:20 cait hm
13:20 cait I think shorter :) but not really a preference
13:21 bgkriegel I'm thinking in consitency
13:21 cait yeah :)
13:21 cait i love consistenccy
13:21 cait but I would be happy if it just stopped being wrong too :)
13:34 bgkriegel cait: done
13:34 cait cool thx
13:35 bgkriegel :)
13:36 WaylonR is there a way to do a search and replace inside mysql?
13:36 WaylonR update marcxml from biblioitems where /widechars//
13:37 WaylonR or some such?
13:37 bgkriegel I think not
13:38 WaylonR [^\x00-\x7f] is how to find widechars in perl regex, how do i use this to find widechars in mysql?
13:39 bgkriegel if the wide chars are in marcxml, then I think they are also in marc (both columns).You need to change both
13:40 WaylonR oh...
13:40 WaylonR REGEXP CONCAT('[',UNHEX('00'),'-',UNHEX('7F'),']') ?
13:42 bgkriegel if you know perl, you could write a script to change the records
13:42 bgkriegel first load then, fix, and save
13:42 bgkriegel directly in Koha
13:42 bgkriegel in that way both columns are updated
13:45 jcamins_away If you do anything other than what bgkriegel describes, you will make the situation worse.
13:45 WaylonR if your talking about re-encoding, marc::charset::table kicks out a wide character error, even after the re-encoding inside modbiblio
13:47 jcamins_away Right, you have to write a script to do it.
13:47 bgkriegel Take a look at Bug 5608, not exactly what you need, but shows and example of how to write such script
13:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5608 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mdhafen, Failed QA , Tool to move MARC21 series info to 490 tag
13:48 WaylonR k....
13:48 * WaylonR sighs.
14:26 WaylonR jcamins_away, i have no idea which field has the suspect wide characters, what am i supposed to do?
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14:28 cait bgkriegel the sign off machine :)
14:30 cait weird
14:30 cait the bug is passed qa, I enter my qa contact and it switches back to needs sign-off?
14:32 bgkriegel which one?
14:32 wahanui which one is the "native" files?
14:35 cait some today... I am just puzzled
14:35 * cait wishes very hard git bz would also allow to set the qa contact
14:40 jcamins_away WaylonR: check them all, probably.
15:07 cait yay
15:07 cait all bootstrappy patches done!!
15:08 cait and 31 patches waiting for jcamins_away :)
16:17 bgkriegel cait: could I mark a bug as "patch doesn't apply' ?
16:17 cait yep
16:17 cait you can set everything I think apart from passed qa :)
16:18 bgkriegel :)ok
16:18 cait that's the only one I think that would get you into trouble :)
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16:58 mveron @seen mveron
16:58 huginn mveron: mveron was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 24 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <mveron> BRB
16:58 mveron ...oh, that is a long time.
16:58 mveron Hi #koha
16:58 cait we were wondering about that brb :)
16:58 cait hi mveron :)
16:58 mveron hi cait :-)
16:58 mveron cait: I can work on the German translation this evening, is that OK?
16:59 cait of course it is
16:59 cait I did 3.8 and 3.10 - still waiting a bit with 3.12
16:59 cait it's still changing some :)
16:59 mveron But it's OK to work on 3.12?
17:00 cait yep, only saying it's not in string freeze yet
17:00 mveron Ok.
17:00 mveron :-)
18:09 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:09 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (7:00 PM CET on February 17, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
18:10 mveron @wunder Basel
18:10 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Bale-Mulhouse, Switzerland is 2.0°C (7:00 PM CET on February 17, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
18:25 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina
18:25 huginn bgkriegel: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 19.0°C (3:00 PM ART on February 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
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18:47 koyauni when I run this (sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v), nothing happens and no error messages seen, what does it mean exactly, please
18:48 rangi it means you havent put in the instance name
19:19 cait oh fines
19:19 cait nice.
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19:46 cait hm
19:46 cait anyone here? :)
19:46 * phasefx is lurking
19:47 cait if ( DateTime->compare( $datedue, $today ) == 1 ) {
19:47 cait next;    # not overdue
19:47 cait does this make sense?
19:48 cait hehe
19:48 cait never mind
19:48 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
19:48 cait :)
19:48 cait wahanui, you are so right sometimes
19:48 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy....
19:48 phasefx haha
19:48 cait wahanui is also right sometimes
19:48 wahanui okay, cait.
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20:37 mveron alohabot?
20:37 wahanui i heard alohabot was a little tool :) but welcome :)
20:37 mveron wahanui?
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20:38 mveron huginn?
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20:39 wizzyrea forget huginn
20:39 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot huginn
20:39 wizzyrea huginn is a bot, not a person.
20:39 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:40 wizzyrea huginn?
20:40 wahanui hmmm... huginn is a bot, not a person.
20:40 cait hey wizzyrea :)
20:40 wizzyrea hi :)
20:40 cait if there is a wizzyrea... hi kathryn :)
20:40 kathryn hi cait :)
20:42 cait how is wellington today?
20:44 wizzyrea it's been lovely for a few days now
20:45 wizzyrea ok, humor me - what is the stated purpose for "export today's checked in barcodes"
20:45 wizzyrea rather, does anyone know where the bug for that is
20:45 wizzyrea because I'm really curious :P
20:46 cait ah
20:46 cait it's a french thing
20:46 cait a ... communal? library lending to other libraries
20:46 cait so they check out the books and then ... give them a file or something
20:46 cait quite sure I am not making sense, I am going to find it for you
20:48 wizzyrea huh.
20:48 cait paul explained it somewhere
20:48 cait but bugzilla is.. slooow
20:48 cait hm of course... and rangi is not around, right?
20:48 cait gives me a 504
20:48 wizzyrea he just left
20:48 * wizzyrea might have  a login sec
20:49 cait oh it's back
20:49 cait weird
20:49 cait I had a perl error even
20:49 cait now it seems to be ok
20:50 wizzyrea bug 7708
20:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7708 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Import/export from a special library (french BDPs)
20:50 cait hm ther eis something
20:50 cait[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7986
20:50 huginn Bug 7986: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Export issues
20:51 wizzyrea bug 6751
20:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6751 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Link in to export a barcode file
20:51 wizzyrea but it's escaped out of
20:51 wizzyrea dk if that was intentional
20:52 wizzyrea maybe a side effect of bootstrap work
20:52 cait hm
20:52 cait not sure
20:52 cait it'sin more, so maybe it's ok?
20:52 cait to have it everywhere?
20:53 cait i'd like routing lists to only show up when there is a routing list
20:55 cait wizzyrea: do you want to switch bug 8451 to in discussion?
20:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8451 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Confusing and problematic double prompt for processing transfers
20:57 cait brb
21:03 cait back
21:06 cait hm
21:10 cait did you know that every time fine runs a file with patron infomration is created?
21:10 cait that is
21:10 cait that's... not good
21:10 * cait gets headaches thinking about her data privacy documentation
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21:34 eythian[…]st-of-disagreeing
21:35 cait morning eythian
21:35 eythian hello cait
21:36 wizzyrea something that Tim Berners-Lee said, that I felt was apt - was that one has to respect the sacrifice of those who work to develop at the speed of consensus.
21:36 wizzyrea as a lone company, or a small team, that's easy
21:36 wizzyrea not so easy when it's koha-sized
21:37 wizzyrea but still a worthy goal I think
21:38 cait yep
21:38 cait bit hard sometimes, but worth it
21:39 wizzyrea and as we've seen, going on your own doesn't always pay. :/
21:42 cait wizzyrea: could you take a look at bug 9253?
21:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9253 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , If an item is reserved, at the opac it is marked as available
21:43 wizzyrea sure :)
21:45 wizzyrea well, an item is not available when it is in transit or waiting
21:45 wizzyrea currently though, you can't differentiate between a transfer that belongs to a hold
21:45 wizzyrea and a regular transfer
21:46 wizzyrea regarding availability, every library's definition is different - in some libraries items are available unless they are checked out
21:46 wizzyrea in others they are available only if they are not in transit or waiting or checked out
21:47 cait yeah that was what I was thinking
21:47 cait if it's on the shelf still, it's fair game
21:47 wizzyrea @quote get 123
21:47 wahanui
21:47 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:47 wizzyrea and any other variants
21:48 wizzyrea most places, I think, would agree that an item is unavailable and should be marked as such if an item is in transit for a hold, or waiting
21:48 cait what is in transit for a hold?
21:48 wizzyrea when you check out a book at library A for a patron at library b
21:48 cait I thik the items we are taking about here are neither
21:48 cait not necessarily
21:49 wizzyrea it will come up eventually
21:49 cait i am not sure I get the http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]CheckReservesdocs
21:49 cait hm
21:49 cait http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]tml#CheckReserves
21:49 cait because waitin gis another status
21:49 cait I see that transit is another
21:49 cait but what is reserved??
21:50 cait I tihnk I will leave that for another day
21:51 wizzyrea hm
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22:20 cait hi dcook
22:20 dcook hi cait :)
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22:39 jops hi all
22:39 cait hi jops
22:41 jops we happily made an istance of koha in our server for our library (social history)
22:43 jops we discovered that we have only the default MARC framework and don't know why we don't have the other frameworks as reported in the wiki. We don't know what went wrong in installation
22:43 cait you  have to tick a checkbox to get the additional framework
22:43 cait s
22:43 cait they are optional
22:43 cait which language is your installation?
22:44 cait tick the checkbox during installation
22:44 jops Installation language is in english
22:44 jops ah! right
22:45 jops so what do you suggest?
22:45 jops Can we recover it?
22:45 cait you can load them probably
22:46 cait you have to find the sql file that is used to create them and load that into your database
22:46 cait or you rerun the installer - but that will mean losing all the work you did so far
22:47 jops yes, we tried to find the sql with the frameworks
22:48 jops[…]i/MARC_frameworks
22:48 jops we were searching the books one
22:51 jops all this, is because we have added a catalog from another library that has few marc fields compiled
22:52 jops and the best for us, for cataloguing our books, wuold be a specific marc framework, less dispersive
22:53 cait the normal books is not a lot shorter
22:53 cait you might want to look into creating your own frameworks
22:53 jops ah ok
22:53 wizzyrea jops, the sql to import for the frameworks is in installer/data/mysql/en/ma​rcflavour/marc21/optional
22:53 wizzyrea fastadd may be what you want
22:54 cait the sql files should be in installer/data/mysql/en/ma​rcflavour/marc21/optional/
22:54 cait in your koha directory
22:54 jops ok, i-ll check it
22:54 cait ah now wizzyrea was faster
22:54 jops :)
22:54 wizzyrea like first time ever :)
22:54 cait heh
22:56 wizzyrea also simple bib
23:01 wizzyrea @wunder wellington, nz
23:01 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
23:02 cait good night all :)
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23:02 eythian later caiter
23:05 jops thank you for your support cait
23:09 jops wizzyrea: we find the simple_bib you suggested. We have to import in the marc framework in the koha administration backend?
23:11 wizzyrea I haven't ever tried that, tbh. I was thinking something using the command line like mysql -ukoha_instance -p koha_instance < marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql - but I would try importing it through the interface (and let us know if it works)
23:12 wizzyrea koha_instance you replace with your instance name of course
23:12 wizzyrea at least the word "instance"
23:12 wizzyrea if you named your instance "library" it would be koha_library, for example
23:14 wizzyrea (all that assumes you are using the packages)
23:18 eythian if you are using the packages, use the koha-mysql command to get things into mysql.
23:18 eythian it'll save looking up passwords etc.
23:18 wizzyrea ^^ also this.
23:19 wizzyrea do it the other way if you used the tarball
23:19 jops thank you both, we execute the query directly in mysql
23:20 jops and it works. But actually there are more fields!
23:20 wizzyrea for fast add?
23:20 jops simple_bib
23:21 wizzyrea fast add is as short as it gets
23:21 jops and are absent the 200 and 215 fields
23:21 jops but maybe it's because we have an unimarc istance and the frameworks are for marc21?
23:22 jops ofastadd? ok we'll try it now
23:23 jops (and all because we have imported a pmb marc catalog from another library)
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