IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-15

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00:01 rambutan no opinion (OK, maybe just ever so slight for #1)
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01:06 cjh fwiw the difference is the heading level for "The barcode was not found"
01:07 jcamins cjh: yeah, I didn't have a preference about heading level.
01:11 cjh \o/
01:11 cjh jcamins: was just checking :)
01:20 eythian my $sql    = $input->param('sql');  # FIXME: use sql from saved report ID#, not new user-supplied SQL!
01:20 eythian :<
01:28 jcamins Ouch!
02:13 bag boring kind of game
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02:35 * MrAgent075 just made 2 bugs go away. He is very Happy with himself.
02:36 jcamins MrAgent075++
02:36 jcamins bag: perhaps you're in the mood to sign off? :)
02:36 wizzyrea ping jcamins
02:36 wizzyrea bug 9179
02:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9179 trivial, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Signed Off , Incorrect capitalization in
02:36 * wizzyrea signed it off
02:37 wizzyrea it's super trivial.
02:37 wizzyrea but ... new developer :D
02:37 jcamins Once I've finished writing this proposal I will take a look. :)
02:38 wizzyrea <3 thank you
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02:40 eythian proprosal schmoposal
02:40 wizzyrea WE HAVE PRIDE AT STAKE HERE!!!
02:40 wizzyrea mahara is winning :(
02:40 wizzyrea ok ok ok
02:46 wizzyrea jcamins we just lost :(
02:46 wizzyrea lol
02:46 jcamins wizzyrea: bribe the Mahara team with cookies.
02:48 eythian and poison those cookies.
02:48 jcamins lol
02:52 MrAgent075 soo evil... xD
03:09 * wizzyrea has no shame
03:10 * wizzyrea makes poison cookies
03:12 * MrAgent075 asks if he shall deliver the 'goods'.
03:12 * wizzyrea laughs evilly
03:13 ibeardslee louder please
03:13 wizzyrea looool
03:26 ibeardslee looks like koha is aiming for the bronze medal
03:30 wizzyrea WHAT uncool.
03:38 wizzyrea the koha app looks to get some nice improvements though, kinda excited about that
03:51 jcamins Spec's done.
03:51 jcamins And it's eleven.
04:01 rangi ibeardslee: tahts cos there is no peer review, or qa, or release manager for the android project ... they should get a 3 day handicap
04:01 rangi ;)
04:02 jcamins And mahara gets a handicap for having a release team in your time zone.
04:03 ibeardslee oh and does that mean we should postdate a handcap for koha from the first academy for having the RM in the same room? ;)
04:04 rangi nope, cos it still had to get a sign off and a qa signoff .. so that just means we were even with mahara at that point :)
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04:32 jcamins Okay, five patches that passed QA for me to deal with next time I'm at a computer.
04:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #254 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:33 rangi sweet
04:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9215' into 3.12-master <[…]f2f0f300a07bc0f8e> / Bug 9215 - non translatable string in manage-marc-import <[…]e33e308b2c3a9be6e> / Merge branch 'bug_9182' into 3.12-master <[…]ommitdiff;h=e6419
04:33 jcamins And if I run out, there are lots of bugs sitting at signed off.
04:35 jcamins I could've sworn I pushed bug 7067.
04:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
04:36 jcamins Oh, hey.
04:36 jcamins I did.
04:39 * jcamins grouches about people ignoring his dictates.
04:40 * jcamins calls it a night and heads for bed, still grumbling.
04:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #1007 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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05:37 rangi hmm running out of space on jenkins
05:37 * rangi rejigs some things
05:53 rangi hmmm
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06:17 ibeardslee ultimately the Academy is all win for all
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06:24 rangi yep, i was just teasing
06:29 cait morning rangi
06:32 rangi hi cait
06:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #255 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:37 * magnuse waves
06:38 rangi heya magnuse
06:38 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
06:39 magnuse kia ora rangi
06:39 magnuse @wunder boo
06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:40 magnuse huginn: you could also mention that my whole world is pretty much glazed with rain that has frozen on the ground...
06:40 huginn magnuse: downloading the Perl source
06:44 cait morning magnuse :)
06:44 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:44 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.0°C (7:40 AM CET on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
06:44 cait brr
06:44 magnuse hiya cait
06:46 * magnuse sends cait some logs for the fire
06:47 cait hm and a fireplace too? :)
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06:50 magnuse cait: sure!
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07:57 reiveune hello
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08:04 gaetan_B hello
08:10 rangi hi reiveune and gaetan_B
08:10 reiveune hi rangi, magnuse :)
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08:18 magnuse hiya reiveune
08:19 * kf waves at #koha
08:19 * magnuse waves back
08:19 magnuse oops, that was a quick fail for 3.10.x...
08:19 kf hm?
08:19 rangi yep
08:20 magnuse kf: Project Koha_3.10.x build #44: FAILURE in 29 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/44/
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08:21 magnuse rangi: side effect of your rejigging? :-)
08:22 rangi yeah, clearing out space, it will come right
08:23 * magnuse did not have any doubts about that :-)
08:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1008: ABORTED in 1 hr 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1008/
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08:53 magnuse @wunder røros, norway
08:53 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:54 magnuse @wunder rrs
08:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -32.0°C (9:20 AM CET on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -36.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:54 magnuse yay
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09:13 H Morning Koha
09:15 H question : In the advanced search -- more options --- is the search for list changable ? ... can i add/remove options somewhere ?
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09:50 gerundio H, sorry, can't figure out what you mean "seach for list", care to explain?
10:00 H ok
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10:02 H in advaced search -> more options you get -> 3 dropdown boxes with keyword in it ... can i change the ist in the dropdown box
10:02 haris hello to everyone
10:02 H list
10:02 H hey
10:03 H or is that always that list
10:03 H as i dont use 2 or 3 of them putting them off would be handy :)
10:04 haris I would like to ask something. I have install koha 3.8.6 in debian and I can't start the service of zebra in /etc/init.d/"name of daemon"
10:04 haris what can I do ?
10:11 gerundio H, sorry for the delay, I'm cought up in some tasks here
10:12 gerundio it seems that the default behavior of the advanced search feature
10:13 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
10:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #257: FIXED in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/257/
10:13 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 7143 updating history and about page
10:13 gerundio your question, if I understand it right, is if it's possible to change the default value of the 1st combo to something else?
10:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
10:14 gerundio I don't think it's possible to customize the advanced search form like that
10:15 gerundio besides having 3 combos is one of the things that make this an advanced search
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10:15 gerundio ultimately you could hide it with some javascript/CSS I guess
10:16 H ok thx for reacting its not a disaster prob. no one goes that deep
10:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #46 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #43 2 days 15 hr ago)
10:25 magnuse @later tell wizzyrea: you might want to update your entry on :-)
10:25 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
10:29 haris the problem is that the daemon can't start, but when i run the command zebrasrv-2.0 -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml  the zebra starts but when i close the terminal, closes too the zebra server. I read a thread how to daemonize zebra create symbolink link to /etc/init.d with no success
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10:43 magnuse haris: how are you doing the installation? packages (recommended), tarball, git?
10:45 haris I have done an upgrade from 3.0.0 to 3.8.6 doing apt-get install koha-common
10:54 haris any idea
10:54 haris ?
11:03 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
11:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #46: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/46/
11:04 magnuse \o/
11:05 magnuse haris: if you are using the packages you could try the commands provided by koha-common:[…]ges#Zebra-related
11:05 magnuse "sudo koha-start-zebra" would be the most relevant one, i guess
11:06 magnuse on the command line you can do "man <command-name>" for up to date instructions on how to use the commands
11:07 haris i have done this command "sudo koha-start-zebra" without success
11:07 magnuse any error messages?
11:07 haris in ps aux | grep zebra,  does not show anything
11:08 haris when i typed the "sudo koha-start-zebra"  command, there was no error
11:08 haris it was like nothing done
11:09 magnuse try "sudo koha-stop-zebra"?
11:09 haris i tried sudo koha-restart-zebra
11:09 haris the message was that no process is running
11:10 magnuse oh, you might have done it right, but i forgot to point out that all those commands should have the name of the instance at the end
11:10 magnuse "sudo koha-start-zebra <instancename>"
11:10 magnuse so "sudo koha-start-zebra mylib" if your instance is called "mylib"
11:11 haris what we call instance?
11:11 magnuse you gave it a name when you did "koha-create"
11:12 haris "sudo koha-start-zebra <instancename>"
11:12 haris i did this and it appeared a message that zebra server started
11:13 haris but when I type ps aux | grep zebra
11:13 haris does not show anything except the grep zebra
11:13 magnuse hm, did you create in instance to begin with?
11:14 magnuse if you never ran "koha-create" there will be no zebra to start or stop
11:14 magnuse try "sudo ls /etc/koha/sites/"
11:14 magnuse and "sudo koha-list"
11:15 haris ok
11:15 haris nothing appeared
11:16 haris I don't remember if I did "koha-create"
11:16 haris I just find the system as it was and I upgraded
11:16 magnuse if those two commands gave no output you have not created any instances
11:17 haris is it necessary to create instances?
11:17 magnuse ok. but you can't just upgrade from 3.0 to an installation running off koha-common
11:17 magnuse let me see if i can find something oon the wiki
11:18 haris ok. thank you very much
11:18 haris I'll be back in a while
11:18 haris thanks again
11:19 magnuse haris: these are some notes i took when i moved an installation from a "regular install" (your 3.0 installation) to the packages (koha-common):[…]e_Debian_packages
11:20 magnuse it's probably incomplete and might be a bit outdated, but it should give you an idea of the kinds of operations invoved
11:20 magnuse *involved
11:20 * magnuse gotta run
11:21 haris this is what I done in upgrade
11:21 haris i follow this guide of the link you send me
11:22 haris i think that I have an instance that is just called "koha"
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11:23 kf Joubu++
11:23 kf thx for the patch for 9391
11:26 findus Hi. does anybody know why my koha-conf.xml has a 'in' extension on it.? " /etc/koha/"
11:27 kf findus: hm sorry, never seen that
11:28 findus No matter what pc I installl the live-dvd on... strange
11:28 kf hm which live dvd are you using?
11:28 findus the newest
11:28 kf sorr,y there are a few people who have provided live dvds
11:28 findus 3.10 right?
11:29 kf so I don't know what the newest is :)
11:29 kf could it be an option for you to install using the packages instead?
11:29 kf it's very comfortable
11:29 kf packages?
11:29 wahanui somebody said packages was at
11:29 kf on which OS are you installing?
11:30 findus Well i comes fully loaded with xubuntu
11:30 kf where did you download it from?
11:31 findus
11:32 kf hm
11:32 kf I am surry, it might be a change they made
11:32 kf is it the only file?
11:33 findus do you know where to dl an older version?
11:33 kf I would recommend using the packages really
11:33 findus no
11:33 kf using 3.10 is totally the right version
11:33 findus there are lots'
11:33 kf what do you want to use it for?
11:34 kf koha I mean
11:34 findus Ist for a local school..
11:34 kf htere have been lots of live dvds and cds in the past
11:34 kf the problem with them is that we (the developers) are not aware how they work
11:34 kf so if you come here with a question regariding the installation
11:34 kf it's always a bit hard to tell
11:35 kf for a production system I would take some time and take a look at alternatives beside the live cds
11:35 kf but that's my opinion :)
11:35 findus alternatives? :)
11:36 kf package installation, git installation, tarball installation
11:36 kf where packges are really most comfortable for updating
11:36 kf where are you located?
11:36 findus oh no :d
11:36 findus :D
11:36 findus Denmark
11:36 kf ah
11:37 kf I am in germany :)
11:37 findus it all started with getting the languages files to work...
11:38 kf with the live dvd?
11:38 findus yep
11:38 kf ah so you had it working once?
11:38 kf the koha installtion I mean?
11:38 findus yes on a older version
11:38 kf ah ok, so this is an update?
11:38 findus different pc too
11:38 kf ah ok
11:39 kf which version is the older version?
11:39 findus hmmm..
11:39 findus 3.4 i think
11:39 kf ah ok
11:39 kf not that old then :)
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11:39 findus but I can't find the cd'
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11:39 findus :(
11:39 kf and you installed it from cd before?
11:39 drojf good day #koha
11:39 kf hi drojf
11:39 findus hi
11:39 drojf hi kf
11:39 kf may I introduce you to findus from demark?
11:39 findus yep
11:40 kf he is struggling with the live dvd
11:41 kf findus: what's the blocker for you to using th epackages?
11:41 drojf hi findus. why are you using a live dvd?
11:41 findus newbie'
11:41 findus :)
11:42 drojf do you have experience with linux?
11:42 findus actually i did try the manual way
11:42 findus not much'
11:42 findus but I can follow a discription
11:42 findus :)
11:42 drojf :)
11:43 drojf do you have a linux server you can use? preferably running debian linux?
11:43 findus yep
11:43 drojf then a package installation should be easy to do :)
11:43 drojf packages?
11:43 wahanui well, packages is at
11:43 findus a fujitzu primergy tx1000 someting
11:44 kf findus: it's really easy with some help and it will save you headaches long term :)
11:44 findus Last time i got stuck on how to bring up the admin page..
11:44 drojf that wiki page is not 100% up to date but 3.8 ("oldstable") is what you would be looking for at the moment i suppose
11:44 drojf we can help with that
11:45 findus thanks :) I only got the "It works page showing"
11:46 drojf then you need to disable the default page of apache
11:46 findus ohh
11:46 kf a2dissite default
11:46 findus will the koha page show then?
11:47 findus admin page?
11:48 findus But thanks, I'll get right on it :)
11:49 kf we can try to help if you run into problems
11:49 findus That's nice. Thanks :)
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12:07 magnuse i'm pretty sure is a template that is used to create koha-conf.xml files
12:10 findus I think you're right... Wonder why it doesn't complete the installation...
12:12 magnuse are you using koha-create to create an instance, or is that done for you?
12:12 findus Anyway. I'm trying the manual way. With ubuntu 12.04.1 and koha 3.10. Well see hoe far I get :)
12:12 magnuse yay!
12:12 findus it has been done
12:13 findus well it should have ;)
12:14 magnuse ah
12:14 magnuse koha-list should tell you if there are any instances
12:18 findus hmm... It was done in the earlier version, and the guide I've found doesn't mention anything about it so..... Anyboby know any good and thorough guides.
12:18 findus :=
12:18 findus :)
12:20 findus A tiny link maybe.. :)
12:20 kf does it mean it worked? or where are you stuck now?
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12:22 findus No I have decided to do it from the beginning... I'm a bit slow ;)
12:22 findus All manually
12:22 findus learn it the hard way :s
12:23 haris Can I ask something?
12:24 findus ask away
12:24 findus :)
12:24 magnuse for installing packages ion ubuntu:[…]ubuntu_-_packages
12:24 jcamins_away packages?
12:24 haris I have done ps aux | grep zebra and I have some results. Can we find what is the command of zebra server that is running?
12:24 wahanui well, packages is at
12:25 jcamins_away ^^ those are the canonical package instructions for both Debian and Ubuntu.
12:25 kf haris: you can paste things like that to if you want
12:25 jcamins_away haris: first question?
12:25 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
12:26 haris yes I am doing it now
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12:27 haris koha      1978  0.0  0.0   2152   356 ?        S     2012   0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.koha --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=koha.koha -- /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml koha
12:27 jcamins haris: what are you trying to do?
12:27 findus Thank you very much so far, I'll be back when I'm stuck again :)
12:27 haris the zebra daemon can't start
12:27 jcamins How do you know?
12:27 haris this is the ps aux | grep zebra of a previous snapshot of my system that it worked
12:28 jcamins I see.
12:28 jcamins So ps aux | grep zebra does not give any output.
12:28 haris i am trying to understand why now the zebra server can't start
12:28 haris no
12:28 jcamins Got it. :)
12:28 jcamins Most likely, the problem is permissions.
12:29 jcamins You're starting Zebra using
12:29 haris I am trying to start it from /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
12:29 haris and also i tried from " sudo koha-start-zebra"
12:30 jcamins Okay, that's the same script.
12:30 jcamins How did you install Koha?
12:30 haris and "sudo koha-start-zebra instance"
12:30 haris I had a 3 version of koha
12:30 haris and I updated to 3.8.6
12:30 jcamins But how? Packages?
12:31 haris follow this guide
12:31 haris[…]e_Debian_packages
12:31 jcamins Okay.
12:32 haris manually I can start zebra server
12:32 vfernandes hi :)
12:32 vfernandes the new po's are already up?
12:32 haris but I can't have the terminal open
12:32 jcamins This supports my permissions theory.
12:33 jcamins What's the instance called?
12:33 haris in which folders and what kind of permission
12:33 haris koha
12:34 haris I read that /var/log/koha      /var/run/koha     /var/lock/koha   must have koha permission
12:34 haris and I did it
12:34 jcamins Okay, so `sudo chown -R koha-koha /var/lib/koha/koha/* /var/run/koha/koha/*`
12:35 jcamins Every time you start Zebra successfully, it forcibly changes the ownership on all your files.
12:35 jcamins That is one of the "features" that I am not so fond of.
12:36 jcamins khall++
12:37 haris when i change the permissions, next run "sudo koha-start-zebra koha" ?
12:39 haris i did it, then try sudo koha-stop-zebra koha
12:39 haris to see if the pid running
12:39 jcamins Yes.
12:39 haris but there is a message that "Stopping Zebra server for koha daemon: fatal: failed to stop the koha-koha-zebra daemon: No such process "
12:39 jcamins Hrm.
12:40 haris any other idea?
12:40 jcamins Thinking...
12:41 jcamins And you get no output from koha-start-zebra?
12:42 haris root     14205  0.0  0.0   3300   748 pts/3    S+   14:40   0:00 grep zebra
12:42 haris only this
12:42 wahanui hmmm... only this is a neverending story somehow
12:42 jcamins When you say it works from the terminal, what user are you running Zebra as?
12:42 haris root
12:43 jcamins And are you running the daemon command or the zebrasrv command directly?
12:44 haris zebrasrv-2.0  -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
12:44 jcamins Okay.
12:44 haris this is the command that i type
12:45 haris as root
12:45 jcamins Ah.
12:45 jcamins That is not the right koha-conf.xml.
12:46 jcamins Did you follow the instructions all the way through to the end?
12:46 haris yes
12:47 jcamins Including the koha-rebuild-zebra step?
12:47 haris yes
12:47 jcamins Okay.
12:48 jcamins So the next thing to do is to try running the zebra daemon with the configuration file you want.
12:48 haris ok
12:49 jcamins Run `sudo -u koha-koha -g koha-koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml`
12:49 haris this needs to run it as koha user?
12:50 jcamins You can run that command as root. That's what the `sudo -u...` is for.
12:50 jcamins You could also su - to koha-koha and just run the command directly.
12:50 haris Sorry, user root is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml' as koha-koha:koha-koha on "site"
12:51 jcamins Ummm...
12:51 jcamins Okay, switch to koha-koha.
12:51 haris su koha , you mean?
12:51 jcamins No.
12:51 jcamins su - koha-koha
12:52 jcamins The user "koha" is not used.
12:53 haris No directory, logging in with HOME=/
12:53 haris that appears if i type su - koha-koha
12:53 jcamins That's fine.
12:53 jcamins Just so long as you're koha-koha.
12:53 jcamins Now run `zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml`
12:54 haris I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml" 14:52:19-15/01 [fatal] Could not parse /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml
12:54 jcamins Okay. Does that file exist?
12:55 haris no
12:55 haris there is nothing inside of sites
12:55 jcamins There's the problem.
12:56 haris the problem is that there in
12:56 jcamins If you follow the instructions under the heading "Get your site up and running," that will create your site.
12:56 haris but my site is up and running
12:56 jcamins Using a tarball install.
12:57 jcamins The instructions you were following were how to switch to a package install.
12:59 haris ok.
12:59 haris so I have to reinstall it again?
12:59 haris using tarball install?
12:59 jcamins If you would like to continue using a tarball install, then yes.
12:59 haris if no?
13:00 jcamins Otherwise, go through the instructions on this page[…]e_Debian_packages starting from "Backup" again.
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13:01 haris in which step i did it wrong
13:01 haris ?
13:02 jcamins You definitely missed the instructions starting at "Get rid of some of the old stuff / Apache."
13:02 jcamins However, since I'm not certain that the earlier steps worked, it's best to start over, including the backup.
13:02 haris ok
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13:19 drojf i tried bug 4910 and set it to resolved-invalid
13:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4910 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, RESOLVED INVALID, Debian Packaging does not start Apache (on Ubuntu Lucid)
13:20 jcamins Yay!
13:20 jcamins drojf++
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13:21 kf drojf++ :)
13:21 kf is that from the new oldest mails list?
13:23 drojf yes
13:23 drojf i will look at bug 3068
13:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3068 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW ,  IP address matching overly generous
13:24 kf drojf++ again :)
13:24 drojf woah, drowning in karma :)
13:26 kf i hope not :)
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13:31 oleonard So, #koha.
13:31 jcamins oleonard: you were much besought last night. There are a bunch of accessibility patches that wizzyrea wanted your opinion on.
13:32 oleonard I saw the Bugzilla messages. I also saw that kf had started looking at them.
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13:32 kf oleonard: yeah :(
13:33 kf I am not sure my second idea was a good one - but I was hoping too to catch you today and ask you for ideas
13:37 drojf i tried bug 3086 but would not mind somebody else verifying my findings
13:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3086 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Can't close circulation date-picker popup in Internet Explorer
13:37 drojf ups
13:37 drojf wrong
13:38 drojf i tried bug 3068 but would not mind somebody else verifying my findings
13:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3068 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED,  IP address matching overly generous
13:38 drojf oops, said a german 'ups' ;)
13:39 kf oops :)
13:51 drojf is this still true? "This combination of parameters is not possible in      rebuild_zebra -a -x"? according to the comments on bug 3327 it is a GRS-1 vs. DOM thingy
13:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3327 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , doesn't index authorities in XML
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13:58 jcamins drojf: no.
13:58 jcamins That is fixed.
13:59 drojf \o/
14:01 drojf a dashboard for the bugs from slef's emails would be nice
14:03 oleonard Did we make it through all the items on his previous list?
14:04 drojf i assume the stuff from the last list would just turn up again?
14:04 drojf (have not done anything the last time i think)
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14:05 oleonard drojf: The list is new. It doesn't include items from the previous one.
14:06 drojf my guess would be you made it through the old list then, or the lists are generated differently than i would expect
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14:07 oleonard Example: Bug 3162 is unmodified.
14:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Authority subfileds definitions and Show/Show Collapsed/Hide option
14:07 kf hm
14:08 kf we should summon slef and ask him :)
14:08 drojf slef slef slef
14:10 kf hm it didn't work
14:10 * drojf closed bug 5291
14:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5291 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, RESOLVED INVALID, Purchase suggestion not working
14:11 drojf i think that were 4 now. your turn, everybody ;)
14:11 * oleonard already ruthlessly shot down the accessibility patches :(
14:14 drojf 'Unknown operating system Windows 2000. Setting to default OS "All".' <--- lol
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14:15 magnuse oleonard++ and kf++ for polite and informative shootdowns
14:18 kf hope ti helps them and is not frustrating
14:18 kf i felt really mean for failing this morning
14:19 oleonard I don't think bug 3476 is really fixed but I also know the person who filed it has no intention of submitting a rebased patch
14:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Predefined fee types
14:21 drojf yeah probably not
14:22 kf hm it does work
14:22 kf I think
14:22 kf it might have gone in on a separate bug?
14:22 kf it's not a good solution of course... using the description for the amount
14:23 kf oleonard: can I ask you something?
14:23 oleonard kf: I think the original enhancement allowed the library to create their own authorized values for manual invoices
14:23 kf well, that's not a good question actually, but do you have time to give me some css hints? :)
14:23 oleonard Sure kf
14:24 kf oleonard: about the bug - not sure I get it :( you can add values to MANUAL_INV or whatever authorised value now that will show up in the list for manual invoices, I remember testing that I think
14:25 kf and there might even be example values, the copier fee thing
14:25 kf and the css
14:25 oleonard Oh you can? I thought from looking at the template that it was hard-coded.
14:25 kf if I didn't scare you away :)
14:25 oleonard Oh I didn't look carefully--there are hard-coded ones and custom ones
14:25 oleonard So never mind. CSS.
14:25 kf oleonard: I think you can - checking my 3.6.10 here shows MANUAL_INV with a manual fee for copying
14:26 kf heh
14:26 kf I am trying to get a logo show up left AND right of the search box
14:26 kf of course the left one wa easy using opacsmallimage and some css to make it right for the size of the logo
14:26 kf but I am a bit stuck on how to add one to the right
14:26 kf a gentle kick in the right direction would be appreciated
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14:36 drojf can't you use :before and :after for that? i think i only used it to display an icon in front of a link so far, but maybe something like input.text#transl1:before {   content:url(/path/to/file.png); } and the equivalent for :after? (hoping oleonard won't get a heartattack from my wild guesses)
14:37 kf drojf: heh
14:37 oleonard drojf: I had the same thought, but I think the existing structure won't allow it
14:38 kf oooh
14:38 kf didn't think about that
14:39 oleonard Yeah that's a pretty common usage of the header
14:40 kf the problem is, it takes up lots of room
14:40 drojf oh, you did not mean to have it right before and after the search field i suppose :)
14:40 kf oh I did mean
14:40 kf but maybe if that's not possible...
14:42 drojf i thought you want to have something like
14:42 drojf Suche [Freitext] X [          (input field)         ] X [OK]
14:42 drojf where X is your graphic
14:42 kf aah no
14:46 drojf i don't think these logos have a good size for what you are planning to do ;)
14:46 drojf well, depends on the size of the monitor of course
14:47 kf yeah
14:53 vfernandes people i'm having a problem with 3.8
14:54 vfernandes when searching for call number the search indexe is <option value="callnum">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Call number</option>
14:54 vfernandes but it gives me wrong results... if I change the value to "callnum,phr" everything works fine
14:55 vfernandes should I submit a bug for this?
14:56 vfernandes the same happens to standard number... if I had phr everything works fine
14:57 jcamins vfernandes: I think there was a patch for that.
14:57 jcamins Possibly it was missed for 3.8.
14:57 vfernandes can you show me the bug?
14:57 jcamins I'm looking.
14:58 jcamins Maybe not.
14:58 jcamins I can't find it.
14:59 vfernandes :/
15:00 magnuse Bug 6454 sounds related
15:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6454 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lculber, NEW , Searching  by callnumber uses callnum,wrdl not callnum,phr
15:01 vfernandes in the comments he says that sn has already a patch
15:02 vfernandes sn -> standard number
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15:04 vfernandes but it wasn't pushed to master because search-indexes stills searching only for "sn"
15:09 vfernandes in OPAC there is the same problem in standard number
15:09 vfernandes in OPAC the problem with callnumber is solved (phr added to value)
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15:11 vfernandes should I fill a bug and submit a patch?
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15:16 vfernandes i will submit a bug/patch then the responsible can accept/reject
15:16 jcamins Yes.
15:16 jcamins Actually, you know what might be even better?
15:16 vfernandes what?
15:16 jcamins Make it an option.
15:17 jcamins A syspref like "OpacNumbersPreferPhrase" in the Searching tab.
15:17 jcamins If it's true, use sn,phr callnum,phr etc. If it's false, use sn,wrdl callnum,wrdl etc.
15:17 magnuse or make the whole list of indexes editable :-)
15:18 vfernandes in OPAC the problem is only in "sn", in the staff client the problem in callnumbers and sn
15:18 jcamins magnuse: I was looking for an option that would not require vfernandes to spend the next month on the small bugfix.
15:18 magnuse jcamins: ;-)
15:19 vfernandes i don't have much time for this :)
15:19 jcamins That's why my suggestion was probably more reasonable. ;)
15:20 vfernandes ok I can do it with a system preference
15:20 vfernandes but one to controll the OPAC and Staff or one for each one?
15:20 jcamins Probably one for each.
15:21 jcamins Though I'm not sure one is needed for the staff client... aren't both options already there?
15:21 vfernandes yes but with wrong value.... only "sn" and "callnum" when it should be "sn,phr" and "callnum,phr"
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15:23 * magnuse is reminded of this discussion: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]AC-td5727169.html
15:23 vfernandes when nothing is specified it uses wrdl right?
15:27 vfernandes right magnuse
15:27 jcamins vfernandes: not necessarily.
15:27 jcamins With nothing specified the search is closer to wrdl than most other options.
15:29 vfernandes jcamins i will do the patch
15:30 vfernandes but i need a system preference to staff too
15:31 oleonard When I add a saved SQL report I end up with two copies
15:33 oleonard ...but no duplicates in the database?
15:33 magnuse oleonard: two for the price of one! yay!
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15:40 kf oleonard++ :)
15:44 kf and oleonard++ :)
15:44 jcamins oleonard: maybe the result of the reports sorting patch I pushed last night?
15:45 jcamins I didn't see that when I was testing, but maybe I tested wrong.
15:45 oleonard Hm, last night? I thought I noticed it first a few days ago, thought it was a data problem.
15:45 kf or a side effect of the new category system?
15:45 jcamins kf: or that.
15:45 oleonard that's my guess kf, a bad query maybe
15:45 jcamins oleonard: in that case, it probably wasn't the patch I pushed last night.
15:46 kf that was only jquery I think, so I hope it was not the cause
15:46 kf ... and I tested it and I hate missing something that big :)
15:53 jcamins oleonard: bad news...
15:53 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
15:53 jcamins lol
15:53 jcamins Not quite that bad.
15:54 jcamins I'm not comfortable with your patch for bug 3134.
15:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once
15:54 oleonard Okay
15:55 jcamins It allows SQL injection by inserting the comma-separated list directly into the SQL.
15:55 oleonard Ah of course. I was copying from a poor example.
15:55 * oleonard passes the buck to
15:55 jcamins does that?
15:55 jcamins Yikes!
15:55 jcamins That's a massive SQL injection flaw.
15:56 jcamins I'm not sure if you can use placeholders with IN().
15:56 oleonard I wasn't thinking critically enough, assuming the example was valid. My apologies.
15:56 jcamins If you can, that's the best option.
15:56 jcamins No problem.
15:57 jcamins If you can't use placeholders with IN, your best bet would be to generate a WHERE clause. with as many placeholders as there are IDs.
15:59 jcamins You can pass the @ids list, and use that for $dbh->execute(@ids)
16:00 jcamins Apologies if that was rehashing things you already know.
16:00 jcamins Hopefully someone found it useful.
16:01 oleonard Thanks jcamins
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16:07 gmcharlt @quote random
16:07 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010)
16:09 oleonard Regarding Bug 3549, I wonder if there's any reason not to add a sort by framework description directly to the SQL?
16:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3549 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Framework sorting in addbook
16:09 oleonard Right now you have to "manually" sort frameworks by code or description. If you sorted it by default you'd only have to "manually" sort if you wanted a sort by code.
16:10 jcamins Makes sense to me.
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16:17 gmcharlt @quote get 145
16:17 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
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16:20 Dyrcona @quote random
16:20 huginn Dyrcona: Quote #62: "<fallor> is this a known thingy?" (added by gmcharlt at 01:18 PM, February 26, 2010)
16:20 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
16:21 gmcharlt <fallor>?
16:22 Dyrcona gmcharlt: Don't ask me. I'm just visting.
16:22 gmcharlt Dyrcona: no, just playing with the infobot
16:26 Dyrcona Ah, yeah...
16:31 * oleonard wonders if Bug 4202 had funding at some point or if it is just ideas
16:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Improve international currency and exchange support
16:31 gerundio hey guys, what's the relation between the subfield "6- Type of record" from field 000 and Koha's Item types?
16:33 jwagner none at all
16:37 gerundio jwagner, the 000 - 6 is a list of hardcoded values from what I could tell, right?
16:38 jwagner It's based on the MARC standard (assuming you're using MARC21, that is), which defines certain values.
16:38 jwagner Item types can be anything you want.
16:39 jwagner[…]hic/bdleader.html
16:40 gerundio we're using UNIMARC
16:40 gerundio does any standard apply for that matter too?
16:41 jwagner Ah. Then ignore what I said, but I suspect the answer is the same.
16:41 Dyrcona gerundio:[…]ted-documentation
16:42 Dyrcona Looks like it is a PDF download from there.
16:44 gerundio in terms of catalog search, does that field have any influence in the results?
16:45 gerundio from where I'm stading I'd say that Koha item types are the ones to look for in terms of filtering search results, right?
16:46 oleonard item type and collection code can both be used to filter search results gerundio
16:47 oleonard item types are also used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization
16:48 gerundio hmm, when you say "collection code" you're refering to "6- Type of record" from field 000?
16:48 gerundio I see the use for the item types, both in search and circulation rules
16:48 gerundio since I'm not a librarian I have a hard time understading the purpose of the other field
16:49 kf oleonard: I think I have seen an eample on how to do sql right on the wiki somewhere
16:49 reiveune bye
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16:49 kf oleonard: If I understood correctly what you were looking for earlier
16:50 kf[…]L10:_Placeholders
16:51 oleonard That's a great example, thanks kf
16:51 kf :)
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17:06 kf bye all :)
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17:14 gaetan_B bye !
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17:20 jcamins_away gerundio: you can search on LDR/06, but it has nothing to do with what Koha calls "item type."
17:29 vfernandes jcamins check bug 9395 :)
17:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
17:30 jcamins_away I saw! :)
17:30 jcamins_away vfernandes++
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17:46 jcamins_away Ooh, NISO is developing a new Bibliographic Exchange Environment.
17:55 gmcharlt jcamins_away: [off] an environment?  /me just had an image of predatory RDA records tearing into herds of peacefully grazing MARC21 records
17:56 jcamins_away #marchasnomercyandwilleatyoualive
17:59 oleonard I openly mock library standards and I'm proud to say it!
18:00 jcamins_away Actually, some of my snark is rather prideworthy too.
18:01 * Dyrcona doesn't think the words library and standard logically go in the same paragraph, never mind the same sentence.
18:01 jcamins_away @quote get 123
18:01 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
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18:05 libsysguy is there a quote about hating the marc edirot?
18:05 libsysguy editor*
18:05 jcamins_away libsysguy: I don't think so.
18:05 libsysguy @quote search "marc editor"
18:05 huginn libsysguy: No matching quotes were found.
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18:05 libsysguy damn
18:05 jcamins_away @quote search editor
18:05 huginn jcamins_away: 1 found: #231: "oleonard: You're not a real hardcore cataloger..."
18:06 jcamins_away @quote get 231
18:06 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #231: "oleonard: You're not a real hardcore cataloger unless you catalog with hide_marc *and* advancedMARCeditor enabled:" (added by druthb at 02:34 PM, January 08, 2013)
18:06 jcamins_away lol
18:07 cait :)
18:08 cait libsysguy++ thx for your qa yesterday
18:08 libsysguy no problem
18:08 libsysguy I saw it got pushed
18:09 jcamins_away Yeah, it was marked as "critical."
18:10 * libsysguy goes to mark all his patches "critical" as to drive jcamins_away mad
18:10 jcamins_away me?
18:10 wahanui jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
18:10 jcamins_away Oh, right, I'm jcamins_away right now.
18:10 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:10 wahanui jcamins is very, very irascible.
18:10 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:10 wahanui well, jcamins is a spoilsport
18:10 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:10 wahanui i guess jcamins is brilliant
18:10 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:10 wahanui i heard jcamins was brilliant
18:10 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:10 wahanui jcamins is, like, very, very irascible
18:11 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:11 wahanui 'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!"
18:11 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:11 wahanui i think jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
18:11 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:11 wahanui jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
18:11 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:11 wahanui jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
18:11 * jcamins_away thinks someone has been playing with wahanui's memory.
18:11 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:11 wahanui jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
18:11 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:11 wahanui 'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!"
18:11 jcamins_away jcamins?
18:11 wahanui jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
18:11 jcamins_away ^^ there we go
18:19 libsysguy libsysguy?
18:19 wahanui hmmm... libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
18:19 libsysguy ^^ yeahhhhh
18:19 jcamins_away Did you add to that?
18:19 libsysguy no wizzyrea did
18:21 libsysguy so I was trying to add an item with selenium but every time I go to the page I get a new id for each element…frustrating
18:22 libsysguy that makes it impossible to automate
18:22 libsysguy there is nothing that is constant about it
18:22 jcamins_away libsysguy: I disagree.
18:22 jcamins_away It constantly annoys me.
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18:23 libsysguy that is what I was saying…its annoying...
18:23 libsysguy well…impossible really
18:23 jcamins_away This seems very constant to me.
18:23 libsysguy ohh
18:23 * libsysguy gets it now
18:23 * libsysguy goes back to the literal corner
18:24 jcamins_away lol
18:24 jcamins_away Don't feel bad.
18:24 jcamins_away Amelia Bedelia would have been confused too.
18:25 libsysguy lol
18:25 * libsysguy had to go look that up
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18:34 vfernandes bye guys!
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19:28 rangi Hmm hold up
19:28 * jcamins_away pulls up short.
19:28 rangi Have we really added a captcha to koha?
19:29 * rangi hopes he just read bug mail wrong
19:29 jcamins_away For registering a new account.
19:29 rangi Yuck
19:30 rangi I thought by now ppl knew they were discrinatory and ineffective
19:30 jcamins_away Apparently not.
19:30 rangi Gah
19:31 rangi Ah well maybe the academy kids can rip it back out
19:31 drojf a captcha? really? :(
19:32 drojf bonus points if it comes directly from google servers :(
19:32 rangi I'll have to read the code
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19:36 oleonard it's not an image
19:36 gmcharlt randomly generated string
19:36 gmcharlt and doesn't use an external service, looks like
19:36 rangi Oh so um even more pointless?
19:36 cait hi MrAgent075 :)
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19:37 MrAgent075 Good Morning Everyone! :)
19:37 cait MrAgent075: your patch passed QA :)
19:38 * MrAgent075 had patch passed last night by a person in Germany. Now that's what he calls International Collab. :)
19:38 rangi Current best system is to have inputs hidden by css, bots fill them in, humans don't
19:38 rangi If it's filled in, it's spam
19:38 gmcharlt easy enough to implement, then
19:39 jcamins_away Nice!
19:41 drojf haha sounds fantastic
19:42 jcamins_away MrAgent075: and it'll probably be pushed tonight (your daytime) by someone in New York.
19:44 rangi Side product of working on accessibility you learn lots about best practice too
19:44 ibeardslee MrAgent075: who was that who QA'd your patch?
19:45 rangi I bet cait did it
19:45 ibeardslee cait: ^^?
19:45 wahanui well, ^^ is that clear?
19:48 cait yeah me :)
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19:49 cait wb findus
19:50 * wizzyrea waves
19:50 findus hi
19:51 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
19:52 findus Does any one kwon how to install a danish languagespack on koha 3.10?
19:52 jcamins_away installing additional languages?
19:52 findus yep
19:52 jcamins_away installing languages?
19:52 cait additional languages?
19:52 jcamins_away I just did this.
19:52 cait lol
19:52 jcamins_away Yesterday.
19:52 wahanui yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful.
19:52 cait findus: we are trying to make the bot answer your question
19:52 jcamins_away lol
19:52 cait wahanui: I agree
19:52 wahanui cait: i'm not following you...
19:53 wizzyrea assuming we have a danish translation
19:53 wizzyrea[…]ANET_staff_client
19:53 cait we have one
19:53 cait but staff is not totally complete
19:53 cait I checked this afternoon when findus was around the first time :)
19:53 cait findus: have you seen
19:54 findus yes
19:54 findus and I found a guide
19:54 findus but when I come to the ./translate install da-DK part, i get an error..
19:55 cait what is the error?
19:55 findus Can't locate C4/ in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at line 22. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at line 22. Compilation failed in require at ./translate line 25
19:55 cait ah
19:55 cait right
19:55 cait environment variables missing
19:55 cait you have installed with packages this time around, right?
19:55 findus yep
19:56 findus found a guide :)
19:56 cait cool :)
19:56 cait so it's up and running? :)
19:56 findus yep
19:56 findus[…]n-ubuntu-packages
19:56 findus the guide :)
19:56 wizzyrea oy.
19:57 findus hi
19:57 cait hi wizzyrea
19:57 findus how do I get these  environment variables
19:57 findus ?
19:58 drojf[…]uilding_Languages
19:58 findus thanks
19:58 cait ah
19:58 cait thx drojf
19:59 jcamins_away Why on earth did Vimal copy part of a page off the wiki?
20:02 findus new problem: unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/ line 360. unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/ line 360. Can't call method "config" on an undefined value at line 48. :( ???
20:02 drojf findus: did you change "instancename" to your instancename?
20:03 cait hm there is also a //
20:03 findus Err..??
20:03 wahanui Hmm.  No matches for that, cait.
20:03 cait lib//C4
20:03 drojf cait: doesn't matter
20:03 cait k
20:03 jcamins_away The extra slash doesn't matter.
20:03 jcamins_away Not changing the instance name does. :)
20:03 wizzyrea sooo what developer number are we up to now?
20:04 findus How do I do that ?
20:04 jcamins_away wizzyrea: 199
20:04 drojf anyway the slash should not be at the end of the PERL5LIB path ;)
20:04 wizzyrea corey is 199?
20:04 jcamins_away drojf: that is true.
20:04 jcamins_away wizzyrea: yup.
20:04 wizzyrea coooool
20:04 wizzyrea thanks ;
20:04 wizzyrea :)
20:04 jcamins_away findus: just write the correct instance name instead of "instancename" in the command listed.
20:04 drojf if only those stones we carve tjis information in could ever be changed :D
20:04 drojf s/tjis/this
20:05 jcamins_away drojf: I'm not at my computer, which means you get to fix it.
20:05 drojf deal
20:06 drojf done
20:07 jcamins_away Thanks.
20:07 drojf findus: you created a koha instance with koha-create, right?
20:07 wizzyrea 9179 isn't pushed I guess?
20:07 findus hmmm.... In the guide under "Instance creation" there's only a  sudo apt-get install mysql-server  command followed by  "sudo apt-get clean" and  "sudo koha-create --create-db library"
20:07 drojf if you did that, your instance name is library
20:07 findus instead of library I wrote bibliotek
20:07 drojf then THAT is your instance name :)
20:08 jcamins_away This is why I disapprove of people copying bits and pieces of the documentation.
20:08 wizzyrea yea, that's not the canonical guide.
20:08 wizzyrea koha on ubunut?
20:08 wizzyrea koha on ubuntu?
20:08 wahanui somebody said koha on ubuntu was[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
20:08 jcamins_away packages?
20:08 wahanui rumour has it packages is at
20:08 jcamins_away ^^ that is the canonical guide
20:08 jcamins_away For Ubuntu.
20:08 jcamins_away Really.
20:08 wizzyrea forget koha on ubuntu
20:09 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot koha on ubuntu
20:09 jcamins_away Maybe we should change the URL so people will pay attention.
20:09 wizzyrea well it says debian
20:09 wizzyrea :P
20:09 jcamins_away Yeah, that's why I'm thinking maybe it should change.
20:09 findus whats wrong with Ubuntu wiht koha?
20:09 wizzyrea what's this thing I heard of about a captcha in koha?
20:10 jcamins_away findus: nothing. The instructions for installing Koha on Ubuntu are *exactly the same* as the instructions for installing Koha on Debian.
20:10 rangi jcamins_away: lets just change that to Installing via Packages
20:10 rangi via .deb packages
20:10 jcamins_away rangi: perfect!
20:10 rangi maybe
20:10 * rangi has a cold, or the flu or soemthing
20:10 rangi always when im on leave
20:10 jcamins_away Oh no!
20:13 wizzyrea stink
20:17 drojf findus: are you getting along?
20:18 oleonard Should I not expect getframeworks in to return sorted data even with an 'ORDER BY' in the query?
20:19 oleonard 'cause it ain't.
20:19 jcamins_away oleonard: you should not. It returns a hash.
20:21 jcamins_away You'll need to sort with your own compare function.
20:21 rangi are you using it in a template oleonard ?
20:22 rangi[…]VMethods.pod#sort,_nsort
20:22 oleonard Interesting.
20:23 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:23 jcamins_away my @frameworkloop = sort { $a->{'frameworkname'} <=> $b->{'frameworkname'} } &getframeworks
20:23 jcamins_away ;
20:23 jcamins_away (assuming the member you want is frameworkname)
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20:28 drojf ay caramba
20:33 rangi heh
20:33 * cait ponders if she has seen that in modern perl or learning perl
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20:49 oleonard Is But 941 about authority searching?
20:49 oleonard Bug 941?
20:49 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=941 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , In advanced search : ask for controlled terms for "subject"
20:49 jcamins_away Yes.
20:49 jcamins_away I think perhaps that should be marked RESOLVED-WISHLIST.
20:52 cait probably
20:52 cait it's anice wish :)
20:52 oleonard What exactly does it mean?
20:52 cait subjects are controlled terms, or they can be
20:52 rangi no one is actually intending to ever work on it
20:52 jcamins_away oleonard: rather than entering in keywords, they'd like the ability to have a list of subjects in the database, and choose one.
20:53 cait so you woudl show a list of subjects alphabetic
20:53 cait oh
20:53 rangi oh you meant the bug, not the status :)
20:53 cait I would not say never
20:53 cait never say never :)
20:53 rangi well in 9 years
20:53 rangi but yeah, someone might, thats why stick it in the wishlist
20:54 oleonard I didn't even know we had RESOLVED-WISHLIST
20:54 rangi we only just got it
20:54 * oleonard missed the memo
20:55 rangi it allows you to search for a stuff no one is intending to work on, but it would be nice if someone did
20:55 rangi good way of finding things for people to work on if they say "i want to help koha what can i do"
20:56 rangi it also means we dont have 9 year old bug reports sitting in new status
20:56 rangi :)
20:58 cait jcamins_away: maybe you could add it to your  next newsletter?
20:58 jcamins_away Good idea!
20:58 jcamins_away Is it already time to write one?
20:59 jcamins_away The sky looks very ominous.
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21:07 cait is the sky telling you when to write one? :)
21:08 cait don't know if it's time, prbably bit early
21:08 cait unless you felt like writing one :)
21:08 jcamins_away lol
21:08 jcamins_away Definitely not.
21:10 eythian hi
21:13 cjh morning
21:13 eythian It's quiet up here
21:13 eythian I'm the only one in the koha area
21:14 eythian ohh curry day
21:14 jcamins_away eythian: BTW, I added a bunch more features to your csvtomarc script.
21:15 eythian jcamins_away: sweet. It's about time I started managing that on gitorious or something to make it more amenable to that kind of thing
21:15 jcamins_away I don't think I pushed them to my repo yet, though, so you'll just have to believe me.
21:15 eythian heh
21:16 jcamins_away The --reduce option now works properly, and it's possible to use source functions for all input.
21:18 eythian there's a --reduce option?
21:19 jcamins_away Yes, that was a previous patch I did.
21:19 eythian ah right
21:20 eythian also, don't source functions work for all input anyway?
21:20 eythian (or, I'm not clear what you mean)
21:20 jcamins_away It worked, but A) had a stupid inefficiency which meant that it was O(n^2) instead of O(n*n-1) efficient, and B) for certain data it failed to differentiate records.
21:21 jcamins_away No, if you use source functions for everything, a record will be considered blank.
21:21 eythian oh right. I think I'd encountered something like that.
21:21 eythian can't remember how I fixed it.
21:22 eythian or perhaps I'm thinking of something else. I forget now.
21:22 eythian oh right, functions have a way of telling you what column they are referring to and that gets checked.
21:23 jcamins_away And for anyone who is troubled by my description of --reduce as having a "stupid inefficiency," I was the original author.
21:23 jcamins_away Hm. I thought I had merged in your latest version, but maybe not.
21:24 cait oleonard++ for closing old bugs :)
21:24 eythian[…]tions_import#l640 <-- jcamins_away, this is it I think
21:24 eythian that's part of the reason I need to move it to gitorious, I lose track of where my latest version is
21:24 wizzyrea 3 patches in one day that's a record for me
21:25 jcamins_away Ooh, yeah, I think that might not be in the koha-migration-toolbox repo.
21:25 wizzyrea i thought ruth had put it there?
21:25 wizzyrea or her version of it anyway
21:25 jcamins_away Right.
21:25 jcamins_away Her version is there, but not the one with that functionality.
21:26 jcamins_away I think.
21:26 eythian yeah, her version is quite old
21:26 jcamins_away Hrm.
21:26 jcamins_away Hope I can merge your version in.
21:27 * rangi wanders off to try to sleep whateveer this is off
21:27 jcamins_away Maybe that should go in a separate repo.
21:27 eythian well, I have my own clone of the migration toolbox with a ton more patches for things, too
21:27 eythian (not that though)
21:28 jcamins_away lol
21:28 jcamins_away In that case, you should update the one in the migration toolbox, and use that one. :P
21:28 eythian yes :)
21:29 eythian I've mostly been using the stuff that was in there for other things
21:29 jcamins_away The --reduce function is pretty nice, if I say so myself.
21:30 eythian whatsit do?
21:31 jcamins_away It allows you to combine multiple rows from a CSV into one record.
21:31 jcamins_away I use it for authorities.
21:31 eythian Oh, interesting
21:31 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:33 jcamins_away So an authority for Phoenix, AZ which is supposed to have links to every single neighborhood in Phoenix can be specified with fifty lines listing the city and the neighborhood, and with --reduce we can end up with one record with fifty see-alsos.
21:33 cait nice
21:33 cait makes me think about the combine all item fields into one record problem?
21:33 jcamins_away I told you it was nice. :)
21:34 jcamins_away Provided there is some sort of key on which to reduce, yup, that would work. :)
21:34 jcamins_away A refinement might be to support key-less sparse reduction, where if the key isn't specified you just keep on appending to the last record .
21:35 jcamins_away But I don't need that so it's not a priority.
21:36 eythian yeah, I've only been adding things I need, otherwise it'd be even more of a monster script.
21:36 jcamins_away lol
21:36 jcamins_away Yeah.
21:36 jcamins_away At this point it probably could do with refactoring into several .pms.
21:36 jcamins_away However, it works perfectly, so that's not going to happen.
21:37 eythian a simple plugin system would be quite nice, it'd make it easier to add new functions
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21:37 jcamins_away Agreed.
21:37 jcamins_away Another example of something that neither of us will do. ;)
21:37 eythian I'm not sure I'm OK with the idea that the hostname for the IP address we have reflects the detail of the protocol in use.
21:38 eythian what happens when we upgrade to 802.11n?
21:38 eythian jcamins_away: yes :)
21:38 jcamins_away eythian: huh?
21:38 eythian > MrAgent075 ( is binnengekomen bij #koha
21:38 jcamins_away Oh, is that what cat11g stands for?
21:38 eythian yeah, it means you're connecting from the wifi network which is isolated from most other things on our LAN
21:38 jcamins_away I had figured that cat1-cat10 and cat11a-cat11f were used by non-Koha people.
21:39 eythian no, "" is coming from our more internal network.
21:40 eythian oddly I thought I connected with IPv6, maybe that's something else
21:41 eythian and all the wifi people get NATted behind the one address
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21:43 eythian barriers are down!
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21:50 eythian[…]Paraparaumu-Beach <-- quite the whale
21:51 * jcamins_away calls it a day.
21:53 cjh night :)
21:53 eythian later
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22:06 cait now jcamins_away beat me to it :)
22:06 cait good night all :)
22:07 eythian bye cait
22:07 wizzyrea oleonard about?
22:07 wizzyrea nm will ask him tomorrow )
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22:07 wizzyrea eastern time zone :)
22:08 wizzyrea but I will ask the rest of you - the link at the top in the staff client, for the visually impaired it is confusing to her [ ? ]
22:08 wizzyrea hear*
22:08 eythian pfft, we're far more east than he is.
22:08 wizzyrea :)
22:08 wizzyrea eastern US
22:09 eythian I presume an alt or title attribute resolves that?
22:09 wizzyrea probably, but... I think people do not use it
22:09 cjh we will have to check with Julius how his screen reader reads an alt, but that is one approach. Could also add invisible context manually or change the ? to be 'help'
22:09 wizzyrea because they do not see it
22:10 wizzyrea even sighted people
22:10 wizzyrea [ Help ]  might be a better solution
22:11 cjh the [] might not be needed if we had help, as we already have | separators.
22:11 wizzyrea right
22:21 wizzyrea I think we're going to go with straight Help
22:21 wizzyrea that ? lacks context even for sighted people
22:22 eythian tend to agree
22:22 wizzyrea and it doesn't look bad up there
22:23 cjh \o/
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22:38 wizzyrea i forget can git bz change status to signed off as well?
22:38 * wizzyrea looks to be EVEN LAZIER
22:40 eythian no, not at the moment
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22:55 wizzyrea that's a darn shame
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23:13 jcamins_away wizzyrea: yes.
23:38 jcamins I have dated *three* checks 2013! Without writing 2012 first!
23:38 rangi i forgot americans still use cheques
23:39 jcamins Only when dealing with the government.
23:39 rangi i dont think ive owned a chequebook since 2008
23:39 rangi ah right
23:39 jcamins Advantage of being a civil servant: great benefits.
23:40 jcamins Disadvantage: your employer believes it's circa 1830.
23:40 jcamins (fun aside: I was at a lecture on the 1832 economic collapse in Edinburgh on the day that the Bank of Scotland folded)
23:40 rangi heh
23:41 rangi i bet they didnt get bailed out in 1832
23:41 jcamins Nope.
23:41 rangi rambutan: are you offering to write the book? :-)
23:43 * rangi crawls back into his hole
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23:52 eythian <-- it's true, there is
23:53 jcamins eythian: so there is.
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