IRC log for #koha, 2012-08-17

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00:06 wajasu i'm attempting bug 8215 again since a newer patch was submitted. but i'm afraid the patch writer is just leaving out a couple of perl routines that "copy" the code to the right directory on the intranet side.
00:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves
00:07 wajasu should i look into editting Makefile.PL or something else.
00:07 jcamins No.
00:07 jcamins You should report it's not working and let the author do it.
00:07 wajasu this is the second time around.
00:08 jcamins If you're not sure what the problem is, there will be less confusion for all involved if you toss it back. Often what happens is the wrong patch gets uploaded.
00:08 jcamins If you'd like you can try to troubleshoot it.
00:09 wajasu i used find to find 3 perl routines.  He did it right for the OPAC, but left out these routines.  its only because i am doing a std install and he is probably dev install.
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00:11 jcamins Well, everything needs to work for a standard install.
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00:43 wajasu ok, i see he needed a line in the target_map, and he's got unbalanced    i'm throwing it back. its not evident.
00:54 mtj wajasu, you've selected an impressively difficult patch to sign-off on :p
01:26 wajasu i failed it.  its actually what my users wanted 3 years ago.  if instructors can tag their course/syllabus reading material, then maybe rules that keep at least one on the shelf, etc will get requested.
01:29 mtj ah, that makes more sense… and i thought you just liked a challenge :)
01:32 wizzyrea oh course reserves/
01:32 wizzyrea ?
02:14 libsysguy after having to use this twice I feel the need to post this video
02:32 wajasu that made my day.
02:32 wajasu kill -9
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02:56 wizzyrea libsysguy: also this
02:57 rangi heh
02:57 wizzyrea oyyy
02:57 rangi too slow :)
02:58 * wizzyrea cries a little
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04:43 cait good morning #koha
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05:52 mveron Good morning #koha
05:52 mveron  seems to be down?
06:12 cait same for me
06:13 wajasu me too
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06:34 cait brb
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06:54 drojf good morning #koha
06:55 bag evening
06:55 wahanui hmmm... evening is better for me - but not too late
06:55 drojf evening would be better for me too
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07:06 francharb hi
07:06 drojf hey francharb
07:06 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
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07:11 clrh hello
07:11 wahanui what's up, clrh
07:11 drojf bonjour clrh
07:12 mtj bonjour europe
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07:21 kf hi #koha
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07:25 drojf hi mtj and kf
07:26 kf hi mt hi drojf :)
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07:28 kf good morning eythian :)
07:28 eythian hi kf
07:31 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:31 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (9:12 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:31 drojf @wunder rodenberg, germany
07:31 huginn drojf: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Hannover DE, Bueckeburg, Germany is 17.8°C (9:02 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:31 kf @wunder Konstanz
07:31 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.7°C (9:25 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:32 drojf seems like we will have a very hot weekend
07:32 kf the weather reports look like it
07:32 kf but it's not too warm today
07:32 drojf and i will spend it without notebook at my mum's \o/
07:33 kf taking an internet break? :)
07:33 drojf not completely, i'll take my tablet. and the raspi :D
07:33 drojf but without thunderbird, that will halp a lot
07:33 drojf help
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07:50 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:51 magnuse happy pizza day!
07:57 kf hi magnuse :)
07:58 eythian hola magnuse
07:59 magnuse hiya kf and eythian
07:59 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.8°C (9:55 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:59 eythian warming up...
07:59 magnuse nice
07:59 magnuse @wunder boo
07:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:59 magnuse not too bad either
08:00 magnuse so what's happening in konstanz today`
08:00 magnuse s/`/?/
08:01 eythian Not a lot so far. I can only assume that they have a German-beer o'clock at 4pm precisely ;)
08:01 kf hopefully finishing the program for the workshop :)
08:01 eythian also that :)
08:01 kf eythian: I have been trying to implement that here... but with no success so far
08:01 kf more likely we will have icecream-o-clock ;)
08:02 magnuse icecream > beer
08:02 magnuse :-)
08:02 magnuse when is the workshop?
08:04 kf 28/29
08:04 magnuse still some time left then
08:04 magnuse in norway, alcohol in the workplace is a strict no-no
08:05 magnuse you can go to a pub after work, but drinking in the workplace would be frowned upon
08:05 kf yeah, I think it's similar here
08:06 eythian well, it's frowned upon before 4pm on a Friday.
08:06 eythian in NZ
08:06 eythian at Catalyst, anyway
08:06 eythian Unless it's been a bad week, then you could probably get away with starting earlier ;)
08:06 kf heh
08:06 drojf lol
08:06 drojf NZ++ :D
08:11 magnuse hehe
08:12 * magnuse takes padre for a spin
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09:05 magnuse huh, how am i supposed to get any work done when Firebug refuses to cooperate?
09:07 kf what does it do?
09:07 eythian it crashes firefox for me sometimes
09:07 eythian just recently though
09:11 magnuse ah, seems to work after a restart of firefox
09:11 magnuse it just refused to do anything
09:16 eythian when it makes firefox die for me, it crashes on startup, which is annoying.
09:17 magnuse nah, that sounds like fun!
09:17 magnuse ;-)
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10:24 magnuse tjänare viktor
11:00 kf hi Viktor :)
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12:07 magnuse anyone else getting through to ?
12:13 liw magnuse, does not work for me
12:13 magnuse thanks liw
12:14 magnuse maybe fredericd needs to kick it?
12:15 mbalmer not reachable from .ch either
12:25 magnuse :-(
12:27 hdl1 anyone having a weird right truncation ? zebra_start 2.0.44
12:28 hdl1 when used to search chien, it also finds chine
12:28 hdl1 and chinois
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12:38 jcamins_away hdl1: turn off everything except for QueryWeightFields, and see if the problem still occurs.
12:38 hdl1 jcamins_away: already done.
12:38 hdl1 jcamins_away: zebra query is
12:39 jcamins_away Does it still happen with QueryWeightFields?
12:39 jcamins_away *turned off
12:39 * jcamins_away hasn't had any coffee.
12:39 hdl1 f @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 chien
12:39 hdl1 and I get :
12:39 * druthb delivers coffee to jcamins_away, who isn't, quite, away, anymore.
12:41 hdl1 Conformité des ceremonies chinoises avec l'idolatrie grecque et romaine. Pour servir de confirmation à l'Apologie des dominicains missionnaires de la Chine. Par un religieux docteur & professeur en theologie
12:41 hdl1 which is not having chien in any field
12:42 kf Chine < looks like fuzzy would effect it
12:42 jcamins_away What do you get with @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 chien?
12:43 hdl1 kf: Yes, but zebra search is : only right truncation, no fuzzy
12:43 hdl1 jcamins_away: it works as expected without the @attr 5=
12:43 jcamins_away That's... bizarre.
12:43 * kf will leave it to the experts
12:44 hdl1 But my "wonder" is that it is NOT the expected behaviour.
12:44 hdl1 jcamins_away: what zebra version are you using ?
12:44 jcamins_away 2.0.44.
12:45 jcamins_away What if you do a scan on 'chie'?
12:46 jcamins_away If the problem were in the indexing configuration, you should have a term chien[something]
12:47 hdl1 trying to use icu at the moment
12:47 hdl1 will try your suggestion later.
12:47 hdl1 export is export.
12:48 * jcamins_away has to head into the city, but will be back later.
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13:26 eythian do we have any way of know when a particular subscription last received a new item, assuming that you don't create items for these?
13:26 eythian like, is "last received date" hidden around somewhere?
13:27 kf hm I think so
13:27 kf have you checked the serialitems table?
13:28 kf ah no, serial
13:29 eythian hmm, could be promising. I was wading through the subscription table
13:29 kf ah no not there
13:29 kf I think serial has most likely what you need
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13:30 kf hi libsysguy
13:30 kf libsysguy?
13:30 wahanui libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
13:30 libsysguy hehe
13:30 libsysguy hi kf
13:31 libsysguy oh oh kf I found out how to do that template thing you were trying to help with the other day
13:31 kf oh? :)
13:31 oleonard Ooh I love template things.
13:32 kf lol
13:32 libsysguy ok so a for loop without a pre-defined array
13:32 libsysguy say I wanted a select statement in html from 1-30 but i didn't want to copy paste
13:33 libsysguy you can do:
13:34 libsysguy [% FOREACH number in [1 .. 30 ]%] <option>[" number "]</option> [% END %]
13:34 * oleonard was trying to do exactly that just yesterday
13:34 libsysguy turns out the spaces after the ..'s are important
13:34 oleonard Where did you find that libsysguy ?
13:35 kf hmm
13:35 magnuse heh, that's the kind of thing you could spend half a day figuring out...
13:35 kf [" or [%?
13:35 libsysguy deep in the fire of some template doc
13:35 magnuse ... or at least i could ...
13:35 libsysguy spent several days
13:35 libsysguy kf just [ like an array reference
13:35 eythian @later tell nengard when you get to documenting the serials table, the status field is: 1=expected, 2=arrived, 3=late, 4=missing, 5=not available
13:35 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
13:35 libsysguy you can't use ( like a normal array
13:35 kf I wonder how the translation scripts like that
13:36 kf [" number "] < this part here
13:36 oleonard not [% number %] ?
13:36 libsysguy oh the number part…thats by mistake…it is [%
13:36 eythian <-- you guys know this, right?
13:36 kf ah right, then it should be ok :)
13:37 libsysguy sorry, I was so excited to type it and share
13:37 kf eythian: tell me to hit send.
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13:37 * oleonard was searching for that syntax in that manual yesterday eythian
13:37 eythian g'wan, you can do it
13:37 kf I did.
13:37 libsysguy eythan that syntax isn't in there I don't think
13:39 eythian > You can also create simple numerical sequences using the .. range operator:
13:39 libsysguy i think I found it in a cpan tutorial for TT
13:39 libsysguy soab...
13:39 eythian[…]al/Variables.html <-- 31% down this page
13:40 kf what, no line number?
13:40 libsysguy i scrolled by that countless times
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13:41 eythian line numbers don't work in HTML so well, but my browser does give a percentage :)
13:41 kf only thought a line number would be more stylish
13:41 libsysguy cait last example under list references
13:41 eythian for an English workshop, you're still sending emails in some funny moon language.
13:42 kf the programme is in English :P
13:42 kf and I am sure you can live without me making you proof read my mails too
13:43 oleonard libsysguy: This doesn't work for me: [% FOREACH number in [ 1 .. 30 ]%] [% number %] [% END %]
13:43 eythian oleonard: caps?
13:43 eythian I forget if it's sensitive or not, but I think it can be.
13:43 eythian (looking at your 'in')
13:45 oleonard You're right eythian
13:46 oleonard Awesome, good find libsysguy
13:46 libsysguy thanks oleonard
13:47 libsysguy also oleonard I've been working on using the calendar with ajax
13:47 libsysguy so far its been a learning process with CGI but not aweful
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13:54 wajasu you guys love template toolkit.  has anyone suggested using tt for our notices/emails?  after working in the overdue_notice and substitution stuff, we could leverage it.
13:54 kf we would stil have to keep it simple for libraries somehow
13:56 gmcharlt kf: I think it is -- Evergreen uses TT for its notices, and I haven't observed any particular difficulty on the part of librarians
13:56 gmcharlt at least, not more than *any* template language might be in general
13:56 wajasu i know we can convert our existing simple template to tt format for backend logic.  and if the library wanted more power, we could have a dropdown to switch per template.
13:56 magnuse gmcharlt: cool!
13:57 kf yep, cool :)
13:57 gmcharlt and of course, we can also define helper functions to make common tasks easier
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13:58 wajasu if we could write a Template::Toolkit::Provider against the database, we could grab them from there, so when our hosting providers upgrade, the custom templates are in the db dump, and not external in the filesystem.
13:58 wajasu this also means all our custom biblio details pages could be in the db.
13:59 sekjal morning, #koha
14:01 wajasu i also saw MIME::Lite::TT::HTML which lets us send email notices via sendmail or directly to SMTP server (a syspref), so then many shops don't have to set up sendmail client.
14:03 jcamins_away wajasu: MIME::Lite::TT::HTML has some issues.
14:04 jcamins It's kind of brittle.
14:04 wajasu oh
14:05 jcamins I can't remember exactly what issues I had with it, but there were definitely issues.
14:06 jcamins Oh, yes, I remember.
14:06 jcamins You *have* to send the e-mail immediately.
14:06 wajasu but it would be nice to let a user edit their template/notice, with it rendered side by side in the page (via submit or ajax).
14:06 jcamins No queuing possible.
14:06 eythian well, we have our own email queuing thing already
14:07 jcamins eythian: right, but what MIME::Lite::TT::HTML creates isn't acceptable to sendmail.
14:07 eythian that would be an issue
14:07 jcamins That only took me several days of frustration to figure out.
14:07 jcamins Yep.
14:08 eythian hey, I have an SQL query that may return the same biblionumber several times, with different information after that, but I only want it to output the first one it sees. Is there a good way to do that?
14:09 eythian group by seems prone to picking the wrong field later on.
14:09 eythian and distinct looks for duplicate rows, not fields.
14:09 jcamins eythian: subquery with group by?
14:09 eythian jcamins: that's what I'm thinking really.
14:09 eythian was hoping for something a bit nicer, but I guess it's OK
14:10 kf max()?
14:10 eythian no, max won't work as I'm not dealing with just numbers.
14:10 eythian (serial issue fields, in this case)
14:11 eythian I want the most recent one from the latest received serials.
14:11 kf hm was thinking to use it on the dates
14:11 eythian but then I lose my sequence field
14:14 wajasu i wonder if we can convert  <item>"<<biblio.title>>" by <<>>, <<items.itemcallnumber>>, Barcode: <<items.barcode>> Fine: <fine>USD</fine></item>
14:14 wajasu to the equivalent TT template, then just sumbit it for processing. Then with our model backing it...  the FOREACH for items is the ticket i think.
14:14 jcamins wajasu: worth a try.
14:17 sekjal wow... I've been away for a while... we've got biblioitems.ean, and C4::Member::Statistics.... Koha's a different place
14:17 jcamins sekjal: I'm proposing replacing C4::Search with Evergreen's QueryParser.
14:18 wajasu jcamins: so where should i start with tesing/theme stuff?  i read that some fallback yada yada was broken.
14:18 jcamins And we've gone a bit Pluggable crazy in bug 7417 and bug 8209.
14:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
14:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
14:18 jcamins sekjal: also, as wajasu points out, there's a working mobile theme awaiting signoff.
14:19 kf sekjal: you can ignore ean - it only works for unimarc
14:19 jcamins @query themes broken
14:19 jcamins Hm.
14:19 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
14:19 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, Pushed to Master , opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL
14:19 jcamins Ah.
14:20 jcamins wajasu: start with bug 8622. The first thing to do is check that Koha still functions with that patch applied.
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
14:20 jcamins Then you install bug 8537, and see if you can use the new theme.
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8537 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, In the call of output_pref is without check
14:20 jcamins No.
14:20 jcamins Bug 8357
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8357 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , UNIMARCslim2OPACDetail.xsl, title without class and too links to views
14:20 jcamins Bug 8573
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8573 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Translation difficult in due to nested sentence in if/foreach/if/elsif - construction
14:20 jcamins Uhhh... then you find the bug with the new theme.
14:21 jcamins wajasu: but note that you have to sign off on my branch because the patches were too big to attach to Bugzilla.
14:21 sekjal anyone else having problems with prove t?
14:21 sekjal C4::Members::Statistics fails to in t/00-load.t
14:22 jcamins sekjal: not me.
14:23 jcamins All it depends on is Modern::Perl, too.
14:23 wajasu ok jcamins looking a 8622
14:24 jcamins sekjal: do you get any sort of error message?
14:24 jcamins Try perl -c C4/Members/
14:25 sekjal Error:  Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at C4/ line 746.
14:25 Viktor Oh my - sorry @magnuse and @kf - nobody was on here and I was looking into some Python projects. Discovered all sorts of discussion going on just now as I'm packing up to go home.
14:25 sekjal ah
14:25 sekjal probably need to export my KOHA_CONF
14:25 sekjal getting rusty...
14:25 jcamins Yup.
14:25 jcamins That'd probably help.
14:26 sekjal helped
14:26 sekjal ::sigh::
14:28 sekjal missing 9 dependencies...
14:28 sekjal and they don't seem to be packaged with the names I'd expect
14:28 jcamins sekjal: you can ignore the Data::Pag* and...
14:28 jcamins One or two others.
14:28 oleonard Template::Plugin::HtmlToText?
14:28 sekjal Template::Plugin::HtmlToText is the only one marked required
14:28 jcamins No, that one is required.
14:29 kf used for sending out cart emails
14:29 sekjal and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl isn't valid
14:29 jcamins sekjal: it's in the k-c repo.
14:29 eythian sekjal: it is in the koha debian repo
14:29 kf hm worked for me
14:29 kf ah
14:29 jcamins kf: what did?
14:29 kf installing the dependency - but probably because I have that on my list of sources?
14:30 eythian yeah
14:30 eythian that'll make it work
14:30 sekjal so now we've got packages beyond just koha?
14:30 eythian where necessary
14:30 oleonard Are there instructions for adding the k-c repo and getting stuff like Template::Plugin::HtmlToText?
14:30 jcamins debian?
14:30 wahanui hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
14:30 eythian only 3 or 4 at this stage
14:30 sekjal I would question necessity in such cases
14:30 jcamins That's odd.
14:31 eythian wahanui: packages
14:31 oleonard packages?
14:31 wahanui rumour has it packages is at
14:31 wahanui i heard packages was at
14:31 eythian snap
14:31 jcamins Oh.
14:31 jcamins sekjal: many of them are packaged in Wheezy, and things like having the cart translatable are definitely critical.
14:31 eythian sekjal: well, there's always been stuff you needed from CPAN
14:32 eythian now you just need it from another repo, which is nicer than cpan.
14:32 sekjal eythian: for a while there, everything was available as a debian package in Squeeze
14:32 eythian yeah, that wasn't for very long though
14:32 sekjal jcamins:  cart definitely needs to be translatable... but using that particular package isn't necessarily the only way to do that
14:32 eythian and that was because liw managed to get everything needed into squeeze before it was released.
14:33 jcamins sekjal: true.
14:34 liw eythian is now part of the Debian perl packaging team and can help get everything Koha needs into Debian
14:34 sekjal I'm frustrated, but I don't feel like I've got a real leg to stand on complaining, because I've been out of the loop for so long
14:35 eythian basically, it's suggested to add the debian.k-c repo, and things go fairly smoothly :)
14:36 sekjal more problems with 00-load.t:   Error:  Can't locate Cache/Memcached/ in @INC
14:36 eythian liw: that's my plan, time constraints are very against me unfortunately :( I should try to do one a week or something.
14:36 eythian sekjal: libcache-memcached-fast-perl
14:36 liw eythian, aye
14:37 magnuse sekjal: i just apt-got that one :-)
14:37 jcamins There's a patch correcting that dependency in C4::Installer::PerlDependencies.
14:37 sekjal jcamins:  ah, thank you... I figured it might be a case of missing deps
14:38 sekjal eythian;  also in debian.k-c?
14:38 eythian sekjal: yep
14:39 jcamins libcache-memcached-fast-perl isn't packaged by default?
14:39 eythian I think the non -fast version is
14:39 sekjal jcamins:  not anywhere my Ubuntu 10.04 laptop can get it
14:39 sekjal (natively)
14:39 eythian ohh. 10.04.
14:39 jcamins Package libcache-memcached-fast-perl
14:39 jcamins squeeze (stable) (perl): Perl client for memcached, in C language
14:39 jcamins Oh, 10.04?
14:39 wahanui i guess 10.04 is the most recent LTS still, I think.
14:39 jcamins Ouch.
14:39 eythian no wahanui, 10.04 is not the most recent LTS, 12.04 is.
14:39 wahanui okay, eythian.
14:40 * jcamins just tells people using 10.04 that they need to upgrade to 12.04 at this point.
14:40 eythian yeah, I can't remember if 10.04 works still or not.
14:40 eythian I guess sekjal will find out ;)
14:40 sekjal eythian:  works fine for me for most tasks
14:40 jcamins eythian: it does for 3.6.x.
14:40 sekjal just not this particular one
14:40 jcamins I doubt it will for Master.
14:40 eythian sekjal: I mean for installing koha on.
14:41 sekjal that raises an interesting question:  where are we keeping track of what OS's and versions Koha will run on?
14:41 sekjal is there an up-to-date wiki page?
14:41 jcamins @query ubuntu
14:41 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected.
14:41 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4800 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Disable book cover image in the title view if the feature is on in the OPAC.
14:41 sekjal and if so, is it descriptive or proscriptive?
14:41 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6876 minor, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , oai-pmh ListMetadataFormats marcxml definition
14:41 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu Packages/CPAN notes out of date for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid)
14:41 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5617 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , misses some files
14:42 jcamins I'm not having much luck with huginn today.
14:42 jcamins @query ubuntu.packages
14:42 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu Packages/CPAN notes out of date for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid)
14:42 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7764 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu needs updating
14:42 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Update Ubuntu related files
14:42 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
14:42 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8489 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Revised, renamed ubuntu package files, tweaked 12.04 package file, copied 12.04 package file to ubuntu.packages
14:42 sekjal we've set a minimum Perl version that Koha should work with, proscriptively
14:42 jcamins Bug 8478.
14:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Update Ubuntu related files
14:42 sekjal err, perscriptively
14:43 eythian sekjal: I'm not sure there is a list. I know debian stable and ubuntu 12.04 are fine. I think that debian stable's perl version tends to be prescriptive.
14:43 gmcharlt jcamins: do you recall if there was any though to using Library::CallNumber::LC rather than the existing LCC call number sort routine?
14:43 jcamins gmcharlt: I'm not sure, but it seems like a good idea to me.
14:43 sekjal I think we should do the same for OS support
14:43 sekjal promise that Koha will run on X, Y and Z, and reject patches that break any one of those
14:43 sekjal would make QA easier
14:44 jcamins sekjal: my policy on 3.6.x is Ubuntu 10.04+ and Debian 6.0+.
14:45 magnuse would that include rejecting patches that introduce new dependencies that are not packaged for that OS/version?
14:45 gmcharlt nice might be all Ubuntu LTS release
14:45 jcamins magnuse: I require all proposed dependencies be packaged in the
14:45 jcamins magnuse: there are legitimate use cases for many things that aren't currently packaged.
14:46 sekjal magnuse: either rejecting the patch, or deferring it until the next major release of Koha, pending an agreement to bump the requirements
14:46 slef hi all. I'm back.
14:46 sekjal hi, slef
14:46 magnuse wb slef
14:47 magnuse jcamins and sekjal: hm, not sure that makes sense to me, but my brain is starting to crave pizza...
14:47 jcamins magnuse: mmmm. Pizza.
14:48 magnuse :-)
14:48 jcamins magnuse: getting packages into is easy.
14:48 jcamins I leave an @later for eythian saying "Please add such-and-such package to oldstable on
14:48 eythian sekjal: we don't tend to introduce new dependencies into minor updates.
14:48 eythian (if we can help it)
14:48 magnuse jcamins: yeah, that sounds doable ;-)
14:50 tcohen maybe we could continue the discussion on officialy supported distros on koha-dev
14:50 sekjal tcohen:  sounds good... I'll move it there now
14:50 tcohen I proposed supporting LTS Ubuntu Releases
14:51 tcohen (recent ones)
14:52 jcamins libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is the exception, but it still hasn't been accepted to 3.6.x.
14:52 eythian tcohen: well, it depends what you mean by "supporting" too. Really the only hard requirement is the Perl version supported.
14:53 jcamins The plan is to provide .packages files for 10.04, 12.04, and "latest" Ubuntu.
14:53 tcohen supporting means (for example) we maintain the docs for just those releases
14:53 tcohen the same for ubuntu.packages and so on
14:53 tcohen I belive 'latest' is too much :-D
14:54 eythian latest almost comes for free really
14:54 tcohen but if mtompset's scripts make it an easy task, well, if we have the time to maintain that...
14:55 tcohen I mean, people can folow the  instructions for the latest LTS and solve the missing bits
14:55 jcamins tcohen: latest and "last LTS" should be identical in almost all cases.
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14:57 magnuse tcohen: you proposed some new sysprefs for bug 7187 - do you plan to work on that?
14:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
14:58 jcamins gmcharlt: why are you looking at Library::Callnumber::LC?
14:58 tcohen yes magnuse
14:58 magnuse tcohen: cool!
14:58 tcohen but if you're going to work on that i can help too
14:59 magnuse well, i have no immediate plans, but i'm working on a project where covers from several sources would be a good thing
14:59 magnuse tcohen: so don't let me stop you ;-)
15:00 tcohen hehe
15:00 tcohen I need to work on shibboleth too
15:00 tcohen as we're implementing that
15:00 tcohen i'll be working on both as long as daily stuff lets me
15:00 kf tcohen: I think biblibre is too - working on shibboleth
15:01 tcohen oh, kf that sounds good
15:01 sekjal I've only ever heard of Shib being "worked on", never "working"
15:01 gmcharlt jcamins: a customer pointed out a case of misorting
15:02 jcamins gmcharlt: ah. It does that a lot.
15:02 jcamins (missort)
15:02 gmcharlt specific example was SB410.9 .P26 1993 coming before SB410.A26 I75 2000
15:02 tcohen is down?
15:02 magnuse tcohen: it was earlier today
15:02 clrh thanks khall :) ( and bywater guys )
15:02 eythian tcohen: yep
15:03 jcamins gmcharlt: yep, that's been an issue for a long time.
15:03 jcamins So at least you can narrow the problem down to the way Koha does sorting? :/
15:03 gmcharlt yep, and fix it
15:03 gmcharlt (at least for code and reports that are using cn_sort)
15:04 * magnuse cheers gmcharlt on
15:10 * magnuse wanders off
15:10 oleonard Ah, well without the cheering...
15:10 * oleonard goes back to goofing off
15:21 kf sekjal++
15:22 sekjal kf: ?
15:22 kf qaing :)
15:23 sekjal kf:  ah, yes... sorry for letting it slip so long
15:24 sekjal new job has picked up, and I've been doing a lot of other projects lately
15:24 sekjal including another piece of software from NZ called SilverStripe
15:24 sekjal (which I'm very impressed with)
15:24 kf oh, what does it do?
15:25 sekjal content management system
15:25 sekjal as well as an MVC framework
15:25 sekjal highly extensible
15:25 sekjal our library website is based off an older version
15:25 sekjal I'm testing the new version for upgrade, as well as new features
15:30 gmcharlt jcamins:[…]s/fix_lcc_cn_sort
15:31 eythian sekjal:  Oh yeah, I used to drink with the silverstripe folks from time to time
15:31 eythian they're based in Wellington
15:31 gmcharlt if you've got other examples of mis-sorting handy, I'd love to incorporate them into the test case
15:31 jcamins gmcharlt: I'm not at my computer at the moment, but one place where there's always problems is the KF schedule.
15:32 sekjal eythian: yeah, I noticed that.  seem like a good group.  I haven't gotten as far as contributing anything to the code base yet, but it's proving to be a solid framework for what I want to develop
15:33 oleonard sekjal: Any idea why they picked that in the first place?
15:33 kf jcamins: what did I do?
15:33 jcamins kf: nothing, that's the class for US Laws.
15:33 sekjal oleonard: do you mean why my library picked SilverStripe as their CMS?
15:34 oleonard Yes
15:34 sekjal at the time (before my arrival), it was found to meet the requirements and wishes list best, as defined by the Web Coordinating Committee
15:37 jcamins Why does a CMS need an MVC framework?
15:38 jcamins (I mean, why does it need to implement a new one)
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15:38 sekjal jcamins:  the CMS is just a module for the framework, and you can use it or not
15:39 sekjal I'm very happy about the MVC
15:39 jcamins sekjal: okay, that makes more sense. I thought it was a CMS with an entire MVC framework thrown in. Which seems..
15:39 jcamins like Emacs?
15:39 jcamins :D
15:39 gmcharlt jcamins: turns out there was a bug after all -- bug 6281
15:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6281 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Bug in LCC sort routine
15:39 sekjal I'd like to see the Catalyst MVC work gain some traction.  Koha could really benefit from it
15:40 jcamins libsysguy has been working with it.
15:40 libsysguy yes I have
15:40 jcamins gmcharlt: there are some more samples for the test, too.
15:40 libsysguy well I was
15:40 sekjal yeah, I pulled his repo a while back
15:40 sekjal encouraging
15:40 libsysguy before I got distracted
15:41 libsysguy sekjal I learned something interesting about catalyst
15:41 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed, I've already incorporated those in my WIP branch
15:41 libsysguy do not install it from packages
15:41 sekjal libsysguy:  that is interesting.  why not?
15:41 libsysguy they are outdated
15:42 libsysguy and don't support Authentication or catalystX
15:42 sekjal ah
15:42 libsysguy if you get on their IRC the devels even say don't pull from packages
15:42 slef catalyst needs help
15:42 libsysguy cpanm works well though
15:43 slef I wish their devels would help the packages instead of telling people to splatter cpan across their systems
15:43 jcamins Does Catalyst development move at the same rate as Ruby?
15:44 jcamins I heard Ruby development movement described as "ooh, shiny!" by a Ruby developer.
15:44 libsysguy yeah it is
15:45 libsysguy the problem I have with Ruby is backwards compatibility (or the lack therein)
15:47 libsysguy i agree slef that the devels should get the packages working
15:47 libsysguy I took their survey they other day and said packages should move up in priority
15:47 eythian I think there's work on the debian side for the packages
15:47 slef or just help... I linked a debian-perl thread recently
15:48 slef ironically, I was about to post the opposite view in reply to sekjal, like, is it all up to Koha to support a few OSes?
15:49 jcamins slef: until someone decides to pay a developer to make Koha work on Red Hat, I'd say it probably is our responsibility to say "here are the OSes we can help with, anything else we'll do our best but you're on your own."
15:50 slef I'd prefer we moved back towards "these work, here's how - if you can get it working on something else, please document+contribute how"
15:50 jcamins That's fine with me.
15:51 libsysguy me too, isn't that how it is now
15:51 sekjal a well-maintained matrix of what works on what would go a long way
15:51 libsysguy yeah and an update to the wiki doc
15:51 slef sekjal: time to hatchet the INSTALL.* files and ask "does this still work?"
15:52 slef sekjal: I think you said it no longer works on some old ubuntu?
15:52 eythian mtompset has been working on them I think
15:52 libsysguy mtompset has been working with ubuntu
15:52 jcamins So has tcohen.
15:52 sekjal I cannot easily install libcache-memcache-fast-perl on my Ubuntu 10.04 system
15:52 eythian it's in the k-c repo
15:53 jcamins eythian: it is? It's available for Debian, and 10.10, so I think we probably wouldn't have packaged it.
15:53 libsysguy ok so random question, has anybody used jira
15:53 slef libsysguy: wiki installation docs should be a short-term thing. They really suck longer-term because you might not have easy web browsing during an install (even today) and you can't be 100% sure which version they're for.
15:53 slef libsysguy: arrrgh, run away from Atlassian.
15:53 libsysguy slef that is why I was just looking at...oh?
15:54 libsysguy i just saw this
15:54 slef libsysguy: I dislike jira and Confluence is really unhelpful.
15:54 jcamins Wait, you have to apply for an open source license?
15:54 libsysguy I have never used jira…but i rather enjoyed Confluence
15:54 slef it's not an open source license
15:54 slef that's why it's really unhelpful
15:55 slef it's a proprietary license for open source projects to get locked in
15:55 libsysguy yeah
15:55 slef it's bloody dishonest
15:56 eythian jcamins: ah, confusing it with libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
15:56 jcamins eythian: yeah, I figured.
15:56 slef but the US allows sale of "pure squeezed orange juice... made from concentrate" so I doubt it's illegal, sadly.
15:58 gmcharlt eythian: do you package any backports for  I'm looking at a potential new dependency that's packaged for wheezy already but isn't presently in squeeze-backports
15:59 jcamins gmcharlt: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is in Wheezy.
16:00 slef gmcharlt: why not just upload it to
16:01 jcamins gmcharlt: Library::Callnumber::LC?
16:01 slef (I'll sponsor if you con't have a DD handy)
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16:01 libsysguy apache uses jira?!?!
16:01 gmcharlt slef: probably simpler; as a matter of etiquette, would one first ask the DD that packaged if they're willing to upload it to backports?
16:01 gmcharlt jcamins: right
16:02 slef gmcharlt: probably as a matter of pragmatism because it's less work for you, yes :)
16:02 gmcharlt slef: heh
16:02 slef libsysguy: meh, a bit of GNU used Confluence last time I checked.
16:03 slef libsysguy: I think a lot of developers get tricked by the "open source license" and it's non-trivial to change
16:03 libsysguy oh so once they suck you in they have you
16:04 slef libsysguy: if you ever wanted an illustration of why I write "In god we trust - all others must bring data" and why I'm pretty sceptical of most things, that's one.
16:04 slef libsysguy: I think you can get out, but moving from dokuwiki to mediawiki for k-c was bad enough, wasn't it?
16:08 libsysguy i guess that was before my time
16:08 libsysguy like so many other things that happened to KC
16:08 slef ok, let's ask the audience:
16:08 slef everyone, was moving from dokuwiki to mediawiki bad enough?
16:08 * jcamins prefers a darker green.
16:08 slef ;)
16:08 slef jcamins: spinach?
16:09 jcamins slef: the audience was just sharing opinions. Not opinions on anything in particular.
16:09 slef well it annoyed the heck out of me ;)
16:09 slef the move, not the sharing
16:10 * jcamins hardly noticed, actually.
16:11 francharb` good afternoon / morning / evening!
16:11 francharb` bye
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16:33 datadoctor How do folks feel about using capital letters to define additional local MARC 952 subfields?
16:34 * druthb shudders.
16:34 jcamins datadoctor: I think it's a terrible idea, but go ahead. I've been overruled.
16:34 datadoctor We are attempting to define separate "Edit Item" fields for "permanent location" vs. (temporary) "location."
16:34 gmcharlt datadoctor: that has the potential to run into the case-insensitve query mode that Koha uses
16:35 datadoctor I see...
16:35 datadoctor Would that only be a problem if I search on that field?
16:36 gmcharlt more of a problem with interacting with the MARC framework
16:36 jcamins datadoctor: why do you want to put it in the 952?
16:36 gmcharlt frankly, it would be better (though not great) to use punctuation characters (that aren't SQL metacharacters) for such subfields
16:37 datadoctor Wow! I could use punctuation? That could work well.
16:37 jcamins Seems to me we've hit the limit of embedded MARC for item data.
16:37 druthb is it even valid MARC to use uppercase?  If you try to feed that to a SD system, it will break rather spectacularly.
16:38 jcamins druthb: it is. Just a bad idea.
16:38 datadoctor It works when editing or creating an item.
16:38 datadoctor May fail elsewhere as I am understanding.
16:39 * jcamins maintains that we need to deprecate the 952 field for 3.12.
16:39 jcamins However, since I won't be doing the work, I'm not too optimistic.
16:40 slef if we don't use 952, how will we import items?
16:40 druthb Gonna need some way to embed items for imports.  Dumping 952 without some reasonable replacement will make migrations a lot harder.
16:40 datadoctor The motivation to use 952 is that the "Location" is already defined in 952 c, we just duplicate that to 952 C, and get a similar drop-down in Edit Item.
16:40 jcamins slef: use 952 for serialization only.
16:41 jcamins slef: druthb: if we *only* serialize to 952, it doesn't matter that we are on to uppercase/punctuation subfields.
16:42 jcamins Despite removing items from the MARC (thanks, gmcharlt!), we still assume that an item is equivalent to a MARC field.
16:42 druthb I was thinking of interchange with other vendors, jcamins--if someone gets their records from Ebsco, say, and has them embed item recs, it'll have to be MARC standard, or their systems will gag on it.  But if the standard allows uppercase and punctuation, then we're golden there.
16:42 jcamins druthb: not sure about punctuation, but uppercase is allowed.
16:43 jcamins Just a horrid idea.
16:43 druthb yeah, confusing, at the very least.
16:43 gmcharlt jcamins: fortunately less so -- one of the implicit reasons for the DOM mode indexing is that it lays the groundwork for indexing items without needing to serialize them as 952 fields
16:43 gmcharlt the same would apply to Solr, for that matter
16:43 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, I know. I'm looking forward to that.
16:43 datadoctor Does that mean we could define local information under a different MARC field, for example 962, but have it come up as tab 10 for the Edit item screen?
16:43 slef well the alternative is to recode some of the 0/1 fields, which would be painful
16:43 slef well they're not 0/1
16:44 gmcharlt another direction is to extend the (item part) of the MARC frameworks to let you define multiple mapping sets for items
16:44 slef I mean stuff that only has one value like the withdrawn and lost subfields
16:44 jcamins I'd prefer 95x matched on subfield $9 to crazy subfield markers.
16:44 jcamins But, as I said, this is all idle talk coming from me.
16:44 gmcharlt that way, if you're given a set of bibs to import that have the items in 945 fields, say, you could define a new item framework rather than remap the item data to 952 fields
16:44 slef actually yeah, what stop us using other 95x?
16:45 datadoctor gmcharlt: I like the idea to "define multiple mapping sets for items"
16:45 jcamins That would be excellent too.
16:45 gmcharlt slef: not much, but there'd have to be a bit of code added so that the serializer could understand (say) pairs of 952/953 fields for import
16:45 * jcamins looks around, settles on datadoctor as the probably implementor. :)
16:45 slef I wouldn't be surprised to discover other MARC interpreters getting it wrong with uppercase and punctuation.
16:45 jcamins *probable
16:46 gmcharlt slef: it's distressingly not nailed down enough in the relevant standards
16:46 datadoctor Glad to implement, not sure where to begin...
16:47 * gmcharlt was looking at the the ISO-2709 standard just now
16:47 jcamins gmcharlt: kind of like the RTL directional marker, which is apparently optional.
16:47 datadoctor I'm learning a lot from this discussion though...
16:47 slef gmcharlt: I think much of the problem is that most of the standards seem to be designed by control freaks (= think they are gods) who make occasional mistakes (= are human)
16:47 gmcharlt and shaking my head at the imprecision of its language
16:47 jcamins the problem?
16:47 wahanui the problem is, like, that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
16:47 jcamins problem?
16:47 wahanui well, problem is its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell
16:48 gmcharlt slef: well, that gets back to the original decisions back in the 1960s that ended tieing wedding catalogers to a particular serialization
16:48 * oleonard hopes grub's mobile holographic emitter can be fixed so he can come out of the emergency shell
16:48 slef gmcharlt: so the standards are incomplete or occasionally just plain daft, but you can't bugfix them simply without infringing someone's copyright
16:48 slef oleonard: enjoying the ST:Voyager repeats?
16:48 * chris_n hands oleonard a rope
16:49 slef gmcharlt: "wedding catalogers" = people who make lists of wedding gifts?
16:49 oleonard slef: Only in my head since I'm too cheap to pay to watch them
16:49 * oleonard doesn't know what to do with the rope
16:49 slef oleonard: ah, they're currently running free-to-air on CBS over here.
16:50 slef that reminds me
16:50 slef off-topic, but does the US have these other CBS channels we get? CBS Action and CBS Drama... didn't see them in any hotels over there
16:51 * oleonard has never heard of those
16:53 slef and while I'm being off-topic, the I285 westbound to GA400 northbound slip road dumped me in the left-hand lane... does that happen often on US roads???
16:54 slef I know you don't exactly have faster-moving lanes closer to the median like in the UK but it seems to behave similar because of the road design
16:56 gmcharlt slef: it's mostly found in urbanized areas where there may not be enough space to put in a full cloverleaf so that one can merge from the right
16:58 slef gmcharlt: isn't it just that they didn't want to build another bridge to put you on the right?
16:58 gmcharlt entirely possible -- roadbuilding funds aren't infinitely, particularly in Atlanta
16:59 slef anyway, was surprised to get a short merge, not a segregated lane or something... rather more entertaining after 40mins driving in the country than I expected ;-)
17:00 gmcharlt slef: just consider it part of the excitement that the USA delivers to all tourists ;)
17:01 slef gmcharlt: who do I write to thank for the tiny and misleading road signs that introduced me to many dead ends? ;-)
17:01 jeff (SURPRISE!)
17:04 jcamins slef: in New Jersey there is a wonderful merge on your way to New York- the 1 and 9 exit off of... the Turnpike, I think. You merge onto the Turnpike from the right, and less than a quarter of a mile later, you exit on the left, only to merge into 1 and 9 from the left.
17:04 gmcharlt slef: if those dead ends happened to abut stores, the local Chamber of Commerce, of course! :)
17:05 slef unsurprisingly, the US hasn't signed the UN convention on road traffic...[…]mp=mtdsg3&lang=en
17:07 senator slef: some people in the US aren't even sure there are cars and traffic in other countries, and they definitely don't know the UN has an opinion on road traffic
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17:07 senator sad to say
17:07 jcamins slef: did I mention that there's bumper-to-bumper traffic during your quarter mile dash from the right to the left, then no traffic at all on 1 and 9?
17:07 slef senator: I got the impression that some people in the US aren't even sure there are cars on the same road as them, based on the driving ;)
17:08 senator heh
17:08 jcamins slef: did you drive in India? I was told traffic in Mumbai is similar to traffic in Kabul.
17:09 slef anyway, I was having fun with London traffic yesterday... only tried to ride on the right once (except for segregated lanes)
17:09 * jeff just completed a mini-monologue in #evergreen, then saw senator speaking in this window, and for a half-moment thought i had monologued in #koha about Evergreen :-)
17:09 jcamins But with fewer random checkpoints.
17:09 senator and jcamins in #evergreen today, man so much confusion
17:09 slef jcamins: I didn't get to India. Hire us and we'll make more money to go to kohacons ;-)
17:09 mbalmer heh, evergreen, I like the architecture of that system..
17:09 jeff senator: exactly :-)
17:10 jcamins senator: just doing my best to keep everyone's day interesting. :)
17:10 slef apparently London cyclists are as surprised to have hire bikes keeping up with them as Norfolk drivers are when any bikes keep up
17:12 jcamins mbalmer: out of curiosity, why did you settle on Koha? I presume since you comment on Evergreen that you looked at both?
17:16 mbalmer longer story, but: great community, I am part of a group where we decided to go for Koha, installed base of Koha etc.
17:18 mbalmer coming from informatics, not being a librarian, a system like evergreen is technically better, but using a system like Koha were domain specialists (aka the librarians) can take an active role in the development is for sure a big plus.
17:18 * jcamins likes POD.
17:18 mbalmer and having so many coder-librarians makes it a product that is practical.
17:19 mbalmer even if the chosen technologies are not the best.  at least they are manageable to non-CS folks.
17:20 mbalmer that is, in all brevity, why...
17:20 jcamins Just curious. :)
17:45 Barrc it'll be an Astra transponder.....let me check
17:45 Barrc .....oops, silly chat windows.......
17:53 rambutan slef: you need tomtom. I recommend the XXL550
17:59 oleonard Anyone have anything to add to Bug 8655?
17:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8655 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Re-order items on administration page to better match configuration priority
18:02 slef rambutan: why, can that change the behaviour of other drivers? ;-) cp: cannot create directory `debian/koha-common/usr/share/koha/intranet': No space left on device
18:02 slef ahem excuse the mispaste
18:04 gmcharlt Sisyphus: shifting rocks, are you?
18:05 Sisyphus I'm hoping to avoid a followup on Bug 7613, gmcharlt, but it may be necessary.  I'll open a new ticket, though, if so, just because that one has turned into a total furball.
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Passed QA , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
18:06 slef Sisyphus: gmcharlt; I'm working on related stuff now (which is why I just ran out of space somewhere)
18:08 * jcamins likes the name of this kingdom: "Osrhoena.
18:08 jcamins "
18:10 jcamins Sounds like the sort of place Sisyphus might have lived.
18:11 slef druthb: why can't you handle both POSTDATA and xml in[…]c/import_bib_sec1 ?
18:12 druthb self:  Someone cleverer at doing that coding probably could.  You've gotta send several *other* bits though, besides just the record--the match rule, item behavior, overlay-or-create rules, etc, so POSTDATA is something that I *know* will work.
18:13 slef druthb: I fear your patch breaks the svc API for non-Connexions clients.
18:13 druthb slef:  And when I did it, I was under a bit of a crunch to Make. It. Work. Right. Now.
18:13 druthb If other clients are using the older new_bib, then, no, it won't, because I didn't touch that.
18:13 druthb I was under the impression that import_bib was something *new*.
18:14 slef I thought it had been in a release - I've at least one client using it and I thought they were on 3.8.x
18:14 sekjal svc/import_bib was created as part of the OCLC Connexion Gateway development
18:14 druthb I hadn't been aware of that.
18:15 slef I guess I should write a test case, but this is rather gnarly to write such a test for, isn't it? Needs a live koha - do we have a place for those tests?
18:15 jcamins It was included in 3.8 in the eleventh hour.
18:15 jcamins slef: we do not. I suggest you add a place.
18:15 slef sekjal: and extended to be a useful replacement for new_bib.
18:16 druthb needs an OCLC account, too, plus a live Koha, to test this bit all the way through.  And a human person who pushes the button.
18:16 jcamins If you can come up with a test that doesn't require Connexion, that'd be good.
18:16 slef druthb: you only need an OCLC account to test bin/, no?
18:16 druthb Because the likelihood of OCLC messing around with the API in a way that breaks this approaches unity.  They do that.
18:16 sekjal slef:  yes, the intent was to make as much reusable script as possible...
18:17 sekjal and now people have gone and used it?  Crazy!
18:17 druthb "all the way through", yes, slef.  testing just import_bib should be doable without it.
18:17 slef pretty sure I've a manual test for it, but I didn't see where to put it under t/ so I didn't submit it upstream yet
18:18 slef anyone know if live-koha-needed tests can go under t/ or if something will try to run them automatically if I put it there?
18:18 jcamins slef: t/install_dependent?
18:18 slef jcamins: does that exist?
18:18 jcamins They need to be in a subdirectory of t.
18:18 jcamins slef: it will when you send a patch creating it.
18:18 jcamins :)
18:18 slef jcamins: phew! you had me worried. Cool.
18:20 jcamins Hey, could someone who is logged in mark bug 8300 Needs signoff?
18:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha should have mechanized testing suite
18:20 slef I can be logged in RSN
18:22 slef done
18:22 jcamins Thanks.
18:23 slef yw
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18:34 gmcharlt slef: am I correct in thinking that the British Library provides no free way to download its MARC records?
18:34 jcamins gmcharlt: I believe you can license their records.
18:35 slef gmcharlt: you can get them as SUTRS, or you may be able to get a free account to obtain them. I may be out-of-date. Library Co-op may know better.
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18:36 sekjal gtg.  see ya, #koha!
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18:36 jcamins gmcharlt:
18:39 gmcharlt jcamins: perfect, thanks!
18:44 slef "strictly for non-commercial purposes" so depends what you mean by "free"
18:46 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice weekend!
18:46 slef tcohen: bye lazy ;-)
18:47 slef tcohen: have a nice weekend too!
18:47 tcohen thanks slef
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20:04 jcamins bug 5592
20:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5592 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , circ rule cloning can be dangerous
20:05 cait bug 3087
20:05 jcamins bug 3087
20:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
20:05 jcamins Ah.
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20:43 wajasu jcamins_away: did you say i needed to signoff  bug 8622 with your repo?  i see kyle tested 1 & 2.  Am I to test Kyle's patch, or one you have?
20:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
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21:22 jcamins_away wajasu: no, bug 8622 can be tested using the patches on the bug.
21:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
21:23 jcamins_away The new theme is in my repo.
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22:45 mtj wajasu, re: 8622 kyle's patch is a sign-off of jcamin's patch, ie: they are identical, afaik...
22:46 jcamins mtj: wajasu was wondering about my instructions about the theme patches.
22:47 mtj aaah, ignore my comment  then :)
22:50 mtj jcamins++, nice patch too!
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22:52 mtj i think the asset stuff  (images,css) should ultimately be removed from the language dirs completely
22:53 mtj that would be a nice future patch...
22:54 jcamins mtj: did you see the bugs I reported?
22:54 jcamins Well, filed.
22:55 mtj hmm, i may have missed them :/
22:55 * mtj looks...
22:56 mtj ok, gimme a clue :)
23:00 jcamins Sorry, I was making dinner.
23:00 jcamins Bug 8624.
23:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , famfamfam should be outside theme directory
23:00 jcamins Bug 8623.
23:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
23:00 jcamins Bug 8625?
23:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version
23:00 wajasu ok. i here.
23:00 jcamins No, not bug 8625.
23:01 mtj jcamins, as usual, you're one step ahead of me :)
23:01 jcamins Also bug 4048, though oleonard decided he preferred lots of little bugs.
23:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
23:03 mtj awesome, awesome stuff
23:07 mtj jcamins, ill try and qa some of these new patches, realsoon
23:07 jcamins :)
23:08 jcamins Bug 8209 is pretty good for QA too. :)
23:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
23:09 jcamins Oh, also bug 2060 and bug 7475.
23:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client
23:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Option to overlay authorities
23:13 wajasu i will work on 8622.   8623 is signed off. 4048  is a dup. 8209 is signed off.
23:14 jcamins wajasu: those were suggestions for mtj to QA.
23:14 mtj thanks for your help, wajasu
23:15 wajasu oh.
23:16 jcamins This dal is missing something.
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23:21 wajasu jcamins: is there a specific theme in your repo i should test?
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23:26 jcamins wajasu: there are instructions on the bug.
23:26 jcamins @query mobile theme
23:26 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8633 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Translate script hardcoded to prog template
23:26 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
23:26 jcamins Bug 8597.
23:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
23:29 wajasu i see
23:30 mtj meh i've hit some git-apply problems for patch on 8623
23:31 mtj i'd like to know how to best handle this situ
23:31 mtj 3way merge gives this error...
23:31 mtj fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/
23:31 mtj Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
23:31 mtj Cannot fall back to three-way merge.
23:32 mtj .
23:32 jcamins mtj: missing one of the dependencies.
23:32 mtj the frustrating this is, the patch contains a 1 line change to C4/
23:32 mtj s/this/thing/
23:33 mtj so, its a patch git *shoudl* be able to handle ok-ish….
23:33 mtj at least apply the change will some <<< === >>>> markers, so i can edit /correct later, etc..
23:34 jcamins_away Weird.
23:35 jcamins_away And it worked perfectly for me.
23:35 wajasu i see.  i need to apply 8622. test it.  signoff.   then apply bug_8597_theme, test it, and sign off on it.
23:35 jcamins_away Right.
23:35 mtj jcamins_away, this is on a new koha repo, too?!
23:35 jcamins_away bug_8597_theme already contains all its dependencies.
23:35 jcamins_away mtj: just my github.
23:36 mtj no, i tested the patch on *my* new repo
23:36 jcamins_away mtj: oh.
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23:58 wajasu jcamins: i've got 8622 installed. and am moving around the site.  i searched for a book. clicked on "Checkout history" tab on the left side, which i happen to have 3 books listed.  the word PreviNext are ON TOP of the FIRST and LAST icons.
23:59 wajasu in the staff interface
23:59 wajasu navigation widgets.
23:59 wajasu is that the sort of thing i should be looking for in 8622 or is that an unrelated issue?

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