IRC log for #koha, 2012-07-20

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00:21 libsysguy o/
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02:04 mtj random Q, anyone know where a koha or kohacon12 vector file is?
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02:05 mtj mle or slef?
02:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:05 mtompset Greetings, mtj
02:05 libsysguy sup mtompset
02:05 mtompset Greetings, libsysguy.
02:06 mtompset I noticed your post about the Catalyst framework.
02:06 mtj sup libz mtompz
02:06 libsysguy heh
02:06 mtj yeah, me too :)
02:06 libsysguy uh oh
02:06 mtompset Have you revised the authentication module already? :)
02:06 libsysguy am I about to get pounced
02:06 mtompset No, no pouncing.
02:06 libsysguy actually I was just looking at it
02:06 mtj heh, nah... :p
02:07 mtj i *was* thinking hmm, why not dancer or mojo?
02:07 libsysguy ugh mtj you and druthb with dancer
02:07 mtompset I was thinking ... why not pure perl, because the hard way is more fun. :P
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02:07 Oak Ahoy me hearties
02:07 libsysguy dancer is lighter but it doesn't have quite the backing that catalyst does
02:08 libsysguy mtompset: i like the way you think :p
02:08 libsysguy ello Oak
02:08 Oak :)
02:09 mtompset Thanks, libsysguy
02:09 mtj libsysguy: yeah, i thought that was the most likely reason
02:09 libsysguy do you prefer mojo or dancer over catalyst??
02:09 mtompset Actually, a couple late replies: (ballerina girl due to 'dancer')
02:09 mtj i dont have enuff experience with catalyst to say disagree
02:09 libsysguy oops - one ?
02:10 libsysguy I used it at a previous job
02:10 libsysguy but that was about 3 years ago
02:10 libsysguy we all know how much software can change in 3 years :p
02:10 mtompset (because of the way you guys greeted me and each other) :)
02:11 mtj ive only used dancer so-far (for a toy-app)  , but had a very pleasant experience
02:11 mtj ->
02:11 libsysguy druthb seems to like it as well
02:12 libsysguy dang it mtj now I want a beer
02:12 mtompset By the way, does koha have any robots.txt to prevent indexing by web-spiders
02:12 * mtompset grins.
02:12 mtompset Sorry for the slow reply, but greetings Oak
02:13 Oak Hello mtompset :) good to see you!
02:13 mtompset And you too, Oak
02:13 libsysguy ack forgot to export cpan to always say yes
02:13 libsysguy why is it so needy all the time
02:14 mtj libsysguy:  mojo looked clever and snazzy, but too much learning curve for what i wanted....
02:14 libsysguy there is lots of stuff out there
02:14 mtj dancer looked 'just right' for what i wanted
02:14 libsysguy this is just kind of my idea of getting the ball rolling
02:14 libsysguy im a little afraid of why I haven't gotten any replies to the devel list
02:14 * libsysguy is a paranoid kind of guy
02:16 mtompset Aren't all developers? ;)
02:17 libsysguy heh true story
02:18 * mtompset laughs, "I just looked at the site. No wonder libsysguy wants a beer. soba-winter-ale-festival combined with the budweiser 'wuzzap' = beer craving."
02:18 libsysguy see…mtj is a cruel person
02:20 mtj mwahahahahaaa... beer
02:20 mtompset I found it funny that it is on a kohaaloha domain... almost suggests that koha goes with beer. ;)
02:20 libsysguy well koha development does
02:21 mtompset -- like this, libsysguy
02:22 * libsysguy crosses fingers for balmers peak comic
02:22 libsysguy and it is
02:22 mtompset It is. :)
02:22 libsysguy mtompset++
02:22 libsysguy my favorite comic
02:22 mtj mtompset: ->[…]b;f=README.robots
02:23 mtompset mtj++
02:23 mtompset thanks.
02:43 * mtj sips a beer...
02:44 libsysguy i hate it when you find a package in debian only to eventually see its in sid
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02:59 mtompset Ah, okay. italicized means super idle. I'm still figuring out ChatZilla.
03:28 libsysguy libsysguy?
03:28 wahanui you are Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
03:28 libsysguy ohh wahanui got an update?
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03:53 mtompset libsysguy?
03:53 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
03:54 mtompset Sweet... it does the difference between 'you' and 'libsysguy'.
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04:28 mtompset Hmmm... Is there a way to get a URL removed from historical #koha logs?
04:29 mtompset I think Google picked up the URL and now is trying to index our site, which is the staff client.
04:29 mtompset[…]12-05-31#i_982072
04:30 mtompset I added a robots.txt, but I'd like to not have the staff client show up in Google at all.
04:31 rangi it shouldl be failing because of no password but yes ill remove it for you
04:32 rangi goneski
04:34 mtompset thank you.
04:35 mtompset it is failing, but I don't like error logs building up. :)
04:35 rangi fair enough
04:35 mtompset rangi++
04:36 mtompset If you didn't scroll back in the IRC logs, I got my perl object working. I was so tired, I missed several typos. :)
04:36 libsysguy OOP can kill am man mtompset
04:36 mtompset Nice pure perl, no extra classes. :)
04:37 libsysguy well…object oriented perl not paradigm
04:37 rangi :)
04:37 rangi i still like class::accessor
04:37 libsysguy i wrote a very small indexing engine once in object oriented perl
04:37 rangi as a low overhead object class
04:37 libsysguy mistake
04:37 mtompset It does look nice.
04:37 rangi and its perl core
04:37 libsysguy hmm
04:37 rangi so no need to install anything
04:38 libsysguy well that is fancy
04:38 rangi[…]Class/
04:38 libsysguy I was just working on catalyst and apparently catalystx doesn't work on debian
04:38 libsysguy I can't even get it to compile from cpan
04:38 libsysguy so I have to write logins the old way :-/
04:38 rangi this is the bit i like the best
04:39 rangi __PACKAGE__->follow_best_practice
04:39 * mtompset grins.
04:39 libsysguy 0.0
04:39 libsysguy that is awesome
04:39 mtompset Yes, following best practice is cool.
04:39 rangi makes all your setters and getters for you
04:39 * mtompset nods, "Very handy"
04:39 rangi and its Fast
04:40 rangi[…]
04:40 * libsysguy needs that for rest
04:40 rangi but now, its beer oclock
04:40 libsysguy and that means it bed time for me
04:41 libsysguy ill see *some of you* tomorrow
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06:52 gaetan_B hello
06:53 mtompset Greetings, gaetan_B
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06:55 julian_m hello
06:55 wahanui privet, julian_m
07:04 matts hi !
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07:12 mtompset How does wahanui know you greet you in something other than English, julian_m
07:12 eythian hello
07:14 julian_m mtompset, wahanui is a big mistery for me :)
07:15 mtompset wahanui?
07:15 wahanui yes, mtompset?
07:15 mtompset wahanui?
07:15 wahanui yes, mtompset?
07:15 mtompset wahanui?
07:15 wahanui mtompset?
07:15 mtompset wahanui?
07:15 wahanui yes, mtompset?
07:15 mtompset I was hoping it would say something is a big mystery. ;)
07:19 * cait waves
07:19 Oak oh look cait is here
07:19 wahanui i already had it that way, Oak.
07:19 cait :)
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07:21 francharb good morning all
07:21 cait hi francharb
07:24 mtompset cait?
07:24 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :)
07:25 cait lol
07:25 cait yes?
07:25 mtompset I wanted to see what would be said, sorry. Greetings to you. :)
07:25 mtompset francharb?
07:25 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
07:26 cait greetings to you too
07:26 francharb hi mtompset !;)
07:26 francharb hi cait
07:26 cait heya :)
07:26 cait rangi?
07:33 mtompset Someone really loves almonds and nuts.
07:36 * mtompset goes off to try to install another VM.
07:37 * mtompset waves.
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07:56 Brooke o/
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08:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
08:18 mtompset I was just noticing that points to 3.6.5 as the current maintenance release, but 3.6.6 is out. I hope this gets fixed when 3.6.7 comes out. :)
08:19 * Brooke scratches her head to think of who maintains that...
08:19 Brooke perhaps @later wizzyrea to change that?
08:19 Brooke I know that she _can_
08:19 Brooke but I'm not sure if she's meant to
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08:22 mtompset Hmm... Brooke, you could change the topic to reflect the next meeting's date and time. :)
08:22 Brooke I'm not an admin
08:22 Brooke I only get that powah for meetings
08:22 mtompset Ah.
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08:45 eythian gaetan_B, julian_m: bz8376 signed off with notes
08:49 mtompset bz was bug, right?
08:50 eythian BugZilla, yeah
09:20 eythian My sin for the day: perl -e '$conf = do { local $/ = <> } ; ($clientpart) = $conf =~ m/\[client\]\n(.*?)(?:\n\[|$)/s ; @hostline = grep { /^host\W/ } split("\n", $clientpart) ; ($hostname) = $hostline[0] =~ m/^.*?=\s*(.*)$/ ; print $hostname."\n" ;' /tmp/koha-common.cnf
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10:15 techno hi all
10:27 gaetan_B with the removal of items information from the marc data, items are gone from (in the staff client) but still show up in (which is more convenient) is it a bug ? or is it intended ?
10:29 mtompset That is some seriously ugly and beautiful code, eythian.
10:29 eythian mtompset: turns out that, while it works, I don't want to be doing that after all.
10:30 mtompset Are you a regular expression junkie?
10:30 eythian I know how to use them, but they are the best way of processing text, as that's what they're for.
10:32 mtompset but why not just look at the file? Or is this an automated process?
10:32 eythian yes
10:32 eythian this was going to go in a script where I needed that value
10:33 mtompset The worst I did today was:
10:33 mtompset cat $TMPFILE2 | perl -e '@data=<STDIN>; foreach (@data) { s/\:\:/\-/g; s/ //g; chomp $_; print "$_\-perl\n"; }' > $TMPFILE1
10:33 eythian that won't work.
10:34 mtompset why not?
10:34 mtompset Seems to run just fine.
10:34 mtompset Is there a case it will break?
10:34 eythian a) you're missing the lib prefix, b) it's not a given that a package will be of the form libmodule-name-perl
10:35 eythian c) case issues
10:35 mtompset cat $TMPFILE1 | tr [:upper:] [:lower:] > $TMPFILE2
10:35 eythian d) have a look in debian/list-deps for how to do it using apt-file
10:36 eythian e) useless use of 'cat' ;)
10:36 mtompset I don't like long lines. :P
10:36 eythian it's shorter without cat
10:36 eythian tr ... < $TMPFILE1 > $TMPFILE2
10:37 eythian arguably easier to read however.
10:37 mtompset DOH!
10:37 mtompset I could have <'d.
10:37 mtompset My brain must be half awake.
10:38 eythian but most importantly is that change won't work for all modules
10:38 eythian s/change/method/
10:38 mtompset if there is no ::, then $_ stays the same, does it not?
10:39 eythian yes
10:39 mtompset then there's no problem.
10:39 eythian but, then you end up with something that isn't a package name
10:39 mtompset yes, but that's where the aptitude search -F "%p" comes in.
10:40 mtompset because if there is only one match, I know the lib name. :)
10:40 mtompset if there is more than one match, I suspect it is the shortest one.
10:40 eythian you're reinventing the wheel
10:40 eythian (and, I think, badly)
10:40 mtompset apt-file...
10:40 eythian debian/list-deps has a method that works well and is always correct
10:41 mtompset Yes, but that isn't installed by default.
10:41 mtompset And I'm using Ubuntu. :P
10:41 eythian if you're in a position to create lists of packages, you're in a position to install that
10:41 eythian it can be installed on Ubuntu
10:41 mtompset true enough...
10:41 mtompset eythian++
10:42 mtompset I'll see about apt-file.
10:43 mtompset Still has the problem of multiple matches.
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10:54 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.2, 3.6.6 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - | General IRC meeting, 18 July 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0
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11:04 mveron Hi #koha
11:06 drojf hi mveron
11:06 drojf still in greece! nice
11:06 mveron Hi drojf!
11:07 mveron Last day in Greece, hot but windy. Very bad internet DSL connection because overhead phone wires swing in the wind :-(
11:10 drojf uh sounds weird. so your dsl flies away? :)
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11:11 * mveron_ was disconnected...
11:11 mveron_ What are legal characters for Patron category codes? Discussion about in bug 7628
11:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7628 normal, P3, ---, veron, Signed Off , Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
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11:13 mveron_ Oh, I see that Bug 7621 needs to be signed-off  again...
11:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
11:13 drojf mveron_: i assume only ascii for the category code
11:13 drojf but it's just a guess
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11:16 mveron Thanks, drojf.
11:17 * mveron ...waits for better connection...
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11:21 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:25 oleonard So how hot is it in Croatia dpavlin?
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12:54 drojf1 ok, very funny, perl. is that needed 1; at the end of a module some kind of developer initiation ritual?
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12:58 oleonard Wow, trying to QA a bug with two sequential updatedatabase patches is really annoying.
13:00 drojf1 ok good to know, i won't have another syspref in my followup for bug 8377 then :D
13:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, 5p4m, Failed QA , Show HTML5 video/ audio in OPAC for media files in 856
13:01 oleonard drojf1: Cool enhancement by the way. I wonder how common it is to have media files in the 856?
13:03 drojf1 oleonard: i don't know. since i work in an audio-visual library i hope we will actually use it one day. but i did it mostly to learn and for fun
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13:11 drojf1 why do i get 'Can't locate object method "field" via package "C4::Templates" at /home/pi/koha/Koha/ line 74.' when i am pretty sure that field is supposed to come from MARC::Field and not C4::Templates ?
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13:11 drojf1 it works in a subroutine in, but when i try to put it in an extra module it doesn#t
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13:55 tcohen hi #koha
13:55 mtompset Greetings.
13:55 mtompset drojf, are you still here?
13:55 mtompset That error sounds like the fun I was having when I was playing around with Perl OO.
13:56 mtompset Library paths are a pain. :)
13:56 mtompset check your PERL5LIB?
13:57 mtompset Did you copy the C4 directory elsewhere and it expect it to work?
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14:10 oleonard Hi sekjal
14:11 sekjal hi, oleonard
14:23 drojf mtompset: no, just added a module ( in a random folder (i used Koha, how is defined where to put it? doesn't work in c4 either) and tried to use it. i circumvented the problem for now, passing the field info to the module in the subroutine call instead of getting the field info directly in the subroutine. but now i got "Can't locate object method "param" via package "Koha::HTML5Media" at /home/pi/koha/Koha/ line 245." when i t
14:23 mtompset check your PERL5LIB.
14:24 mtompset <path1>:<path2>:...:<path_n>
14:24 eythian_ drojf: you'll have to see what hte line that's causing the error is
14:24 eythian_ and what is containing in the variable that is trying to have param accessed on it
14:25 mtompset I had typos in my objects. :)
14:25 mtompset are you sure you didn't type params in one place, and param in another?
14:26 drojf mtompset: i copied that directly from a subroutine inside of that works
14:26 drojf it just does not work in the extra module
14:26 mtompset Yes, and what dependencies does it have?
14:26 eythian presumably the object you're trying to access is a different type in the new place
14:27 eythian or it's being called wrong
14:27 eythian i.e. with a -> rather than a :: perhaps
14:28 drojf hm. the line is
14:28 drojf $template->param(
14:28 drojf like it was in the other file
14:28 eythian so in the new place, what does $template get assigned?
14:28 mtompset and you have the appropriate use?
14:29 mtompset eythian's suggestions are better. :)
14:32 drojf in i do
14:32 drojf $template = Koha::HTML5Media->gethtml5media($template,$r​ecord,@HTML5Media_sets,@HTML5Media_fields);
14:32 drojf and in Koha/ i do
14:32 drojf my $template = shift;
14:32 drojf my $record = shift;
14:32 drojf my @HTML5Media_sets = shift;
14:32 drojf my @HTML5Media_fields = shift;
14:32 drojf [ a lot of ]
14:32 drojf $template::param(
14:32 drojf HTML5MediaEnabled  => 1,
14:32 drojf HTML5MediaSets     => \@HTML5Media_sets,
14:32 drojf HTML5MediaParent   => $HTML5MediaParent,
14:32 drojf HTML5MediaWidth    => $HTML5MediaWidth);
14:32 drojf return $template;
14:32 drojf *flood*
14:32 drojf don't know if that came though, should have used paste
14:33 eythian right, so my $template = shift; is shift
14:33 eythian err
14:33 eythian is different
14:33 eythian that's possibly the key bit
14:37 drojf what do you mean by "is different"?
14:38 eythian <drojf> in i do
14:38 eythian <drojf>     $template = Koha::HTML5Media->gethtml5media($template,$r​ecord,@HTML5Media_sets,@HTML5Media_fields);
14:38 eythian <drojf> and in Koha/ i do
14:38 eythian <drojf>     my $template = shift;
14:38 eythian template is getting a value in a different way
14:38 eythian so possibly it's a different object.
14:39 drojf ok. but it works exactly like this if the subroutine is directly in
14:40 eythian but they may be getting different values in $template
14:40 eythian (almost certainly are, otherwise you wouldn't have that error)
14:42 gaetan_B bye !
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15:00 mtompset eythian, I realized apt-file is a necessary evil, and simplified my script a WHOLE bunch. "apt-file list perl" dumps all perl related files. Then just grep the dump.
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15:11 jcamins drojf: don't forget if you're using OOP, the first argument is always $self.
15:11 libsysguy ^^
15:12 libsysguy @_ ftw
15:12 huginn libsysguy: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
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15:12 libsysguy heh who sent that
15:13 jcamins Marc Chantreux.
15:13 libsysguy no the one before
15:13 libsysguy from huginn
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15:14 jcamins libsysguy: it's because you use @ at the beginning of a sentence.
15:14 libsysguy doh
15:15 libsysguy well i feel retarded
15:17 eythian_ Ubuntu package installation fix for anyone keen on looking in to that kind of thing on bug 8162
15:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8162 critical, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , packaging scripts create user incorrectly
15:19 drojf jcamins++ # error gone, thanks
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15:20 jcamins drojf: I've done that a lot.
15:20 drojf :)
15:21 jcamins paul_p__: do you have a moment to share an opinion?
15:21 paul_p__ jcamins sure
15:21 jcamins paul_p: I've been thinking about where to put for example GetAuthorityType in Koha::
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15:22 paul_p ? (s/BusinessLogic/Service/ if I move to the last koha-devel proposition)
15:23 jcamins I have an object-oriented Koha::Authority module for the View layer, but $authority->authority_type would get the authority type for that particular authority, rather than (as is needed) a lookup based on authtypecode.
15:23 jcamins So I've been stumped on this for a while.
15:24 jcamins Then it occurred to me... would it be better to just use have Koha::Authority::GetAuthorityTypeFromAuthTypeCode?
15:24 jcamins s/use //
15:25 jcamins Eventually that should go away because all the authority view code should be centralized in object-oriented Koha::Authority, but we can't rewrite all of C4 just like that.
15:25 paul_p (I think i'm against Koha::Authority as is. Koha::View::Authority sounds better to me)
15:26 jcamins It's fine to change the name.
15:26 jcamins I don't care what the module is called.
15:26 paul_p jcamins what would do GetAuthorityTypeFromAuthTypeCode ?
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15:26 jcamins It would replace the current GetAuthorityType.
15:27 jcamins (or maybe GetAuthType... I'm not at my computer right now)
15:27 paul_p if it's a replace, it should not be called "Get" ?
15:27 * paul_p not sure to understand well the question...
15:27 jcamins The silly routine that we shouldn't need but use all over.
15:27 jcamins I am asking where to put a shim.
15:27 jcamins You are right, the right way to do it would be to have Koha::[View::]Authority->authtype.
15:28 jcamins But we use GetAuthType or GetAuthorityType in places we shouldn't in C4.
15:28 jcamins So we need to have an alternative to GetAuthType/GetAuthorityType (whichever it's called), or we'll have duplicate code in C4:: and Koha::
15:29 jcamins Basically all the routine does is look up something in the database.
15:29 paul_p jcamins = we have, currently: C4/ GetAuthTypeCode {
15:29 paul_p C4/ GetAuthType {
15:29 jcamins One of those is a simple SQL lookup.
15:29 jcamins I think GetAuthType.
15:29 paul_p jcamins GetAuthTypeCode does =   my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select authtypecode from auth_header where authid=?");
15:29 jcamins Yeah, GetAuthType is the problematic one.
15:30 jcamins GetAuthTypeCode is easy to replace. It goes in Koha::Data::Authority.
15:30 paul_p GetAuthType does select * from auth_types where authtypecode=?"
15:30 paul_p this one should go to Koha::Data::AuthType (if we consider removing the _ and UCasing the names)
15:31 paul_p (and singular, the default automatic behaviour of DBIx::Class)
15:32 jcamins paul_p: but we can't move anything to Koha::Data until we have the entire model, right?
15:32 paul_p jcamins = I think we can move so basic & trivial subs, without using DBIx::Class,
15:33 jcamins Okay, so it sounds like you're saying you don't need for a shim, and the code might as well go where it belongs right away.
15:33 jcamins Thanks.
15:33 tcohen Data::Paginator  and Data::Pagination are the same thing?
15:34 jcamins tcohen: nope.
15:34 paul_p jcamins = I'm not sure I know what "shim" means ;-)
15:34 paul_p (chimère in french ?)
15:35 paul_p jcamins = ggl translate says "cale", which doesn't help me at all :D
15:35 jcamins paul_p: a "shim" is a piece of code you put in so that the program will work without needing a complete rewrite.
15:35 tcohen jcamins: is there a pre-defined policy on what packages to add to ?
15:35 paul_p OK, then I understand the french word now !
15:35 tcohen i mean, we add a perl dependancy, not packaged for debian, will we package it?
15:35 jcamins tcohen: all the ones required by Koha that will compile.
15:35 jcamins tcohen: if we can, yes.
15:36 paul_p jcamins = we have 2 options here = mine is a kind of shim, yours is another one isn't it ?
15:36 jcamins paul_p: yeah, but yours is a lot less shim-y.
15:36 jcamins :D
15:36 tcohen i'm planning to add instructions for adding debian.k-c to sources.list in the .tar.gz install instructions
15:36 * paul_p finally understand why bug 7420 does not work for him, it's because of bug 8251 :\\
15:36 jcamins Yea!
15:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7420 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Add max fines to circulation matrix
15:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Passed QA , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
15:36 jcamins Good idea!
15:37 jcamins tcohen++
15:37 paul_p tcohen++
15:37 paul_p jcamins = just don't forget to add a FIXME to ;-)
15:37 jcamins paul_p: right.
15:37 jcamins paul_p: first I have to create the file. ;)
15:44 mtompset Hmmm... 8162 doesn't match what you were talking about eythian \
15:45 eythian I don't know what you mean
15:45 mtompset why did the link go to mozilla's bugzilla rather than koha's?!
15:45 jcamins Bug 8162
15:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8162 critical, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , packaging scripts create user incorrectly
15:46 mtompset Your link that you put in the chat was a mozilla bug link... huggin's followed up correctly.
15:46 mtompset Same problem with jcamins.
15:46 eythian <eythian_> Ubuntu package installation fix for anyone keen on looking in to that kind of thing on bug 8162
15:46 eythian <huginn> Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8162 critical, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , packaging scripts create user incorrectly
15:46 huginn Bug 8162: critical, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , packaging scripts create user incorrectly
15:46 eythian no it didn't
15:46 jcamins mtompset: error with your IRC client.
15:47 mtompset Are you suggesting my chatzilla is getting in the way?
15:47 eythian yep, that's what it looks like to me too
15:47 eythian ah
15:47 eythian yes
15:47 jcamins "bug 8162" isn't a link.
15:47 eythian most definitely
15:47 jcamins It's just text.
15:47 mtompset silly people, tell me to get an IRC client, and then find a bug with the one I choose. :P
15:48 jcamins Use one that's well-tested.
15:48 eythian I like xchat
15:48 eythian I also have to go
15:48 eythian see you all later
15:48 jcamins I use irssi.
15:48 jcamins Decades of testing!
15:48 jcamins :P
15:49 jcamins (yes, I was joking about using one that's well-tested... you can probably just disable that "feature")
15:52 mtompset I don't see how to disable it, but I can change it to be a koha-community URL :)
15:53 mtompset bug 8162
15:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8162 critical, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , packaging scripts create user incorrectly
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16:22 drojf ok i got a seperate module now for bug 8377 (not attached to the bug yet), called It takes $template and $record and returns $template with template parameters based on field 856. this enhancement is for opac, but it should be possible to use the module for the staff client too. my question is: where is the module supposed to go? i have it in Koha/ now, is that ok or should it be somewhere else, eg. C4?
16:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, 5p4m, Failed QA , Show HTML5 video/ audio in OPAC for media files in 856
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16:23 jcamins What does it depend on?
16:24 drojf i got use C4::Context; use MARC::Record; use MARC::Field;
16:24 drojf not sure what C4:Context does right now
16:25 jcamins For sysprefs.
16:26 drojf ah right
16:28 jcamins I see no reason not to put it in Koha::
16:28 mtompset So out of curiousity, will 3.6.7 be out early next week?
16:28 jcamins mtompset: yes, if all goes well.
16:29 jcamins (no reason to expect it won't, I won't push anything that makes problems with the release process, and I haven't found any problems with the proposed 3.6.7)
16:29 jcamins That second "won't" is a general rule.
16:30 mtompset have the dependencies changed between 3.6.6 and 3.6.7?
16:30 mtompset (more perl libraries)
16:30 jcamins Hm.
16:30 drojf jcamins: what would be a reason not to put something in Koha::?
16:30 jcamins Don't think so.
16:31 jcamins drojf: actually, I can't think of any.
16:31 drojf heh
16:31 drojf what is C4 anyway? what does it stand for and why is it not all Koha::?
16:31 mtompset So, the install_misc/ubuntu.packages should be the same, unless it has been patched with missing items? ;)
16:32 wizzyrea oh I know this
16:32 jcamins No idea what it stands for, but it exists because that used to be the namespace.
16:32 jcamins We'd keep it except it's such a mess it's hopeless.
16:32 wizzyrea it's cheap, cheerful … something
16:32 wizzyrea the last c is the name of HLT's old ILS
16:32 drojf oh, i thought it was related to exploding when touched :D
16:32 wizzyrea that is the *other* meaning
16:32 * mtompset laughs.
16:32 jcamins drojf: that's how I always think of it. ;)
16:34 jcamins mtompset: tcohen just filed a bug and is working on a patch to update ubuntu.packages.
16:34 mtompset okay, great to hear.
16:34 mtompset I was thinking of doing that.
16:34 mtompset I was tinkering with a script. :)
16:35 mtompset to help me find the missing pieces/
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16:45 wizzyrea rosalie says C4 stands for "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
16:46 wizzyrea she won't say the name of the old one
16:47 wizzyrea if you want to know the story -[…]lie-blake-4367524
16:48 wizzyrea C4 is "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
16:48 wizzyrea c4?
16:48 wahanui it has been said that c4 is a high explosive :-)
16:48 wizzyrea C4?
16:48 wahanui C4 is a high explosive :-)
16:48 wizzyrea C4 is also "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
16:48 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
16:48 wizzyrea C4?
16:48 wahanui somebody said C4 was a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
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16:51 Morthland I recently updated koha to 3.8
16:51 Morthland And now it will not display the subtitle on OPAC
16:51 drojf wizzyrea++
16:56 mtompset 3.6.7 is going to be a dream to install on Ubuntu 12.04 -- no cpan requirements. :)
16:57 jcamins mtompset: and the package script fix may go into it.
16:58 jcamins Jumping the queue a bit, but I'd like it to work on Ubuntu.
16:58 melia are there any QA team people around at the moment? I desperately want critical Bug 8418 to get some QA so that it might get into the 3.8.3 release (if it's not too late already)
16:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
17:00 mtompset I'm assuming the only reason the ubuntu.packages needs updating is because the file PerlDependencies is what is frequently updated, and not ubuntu.packages.
17:00 jcamins Right.
17:00 mtompset My script that I just wrote does a mass grep. :)
17:01 mtompset based on ./koha_perl_dep
17:01 mtompset and for 3.6.6 there were only 3 libraries not found under 10.04
17:01 mtompset those libraries exist in 12.04
17:02 sekjal melia:  I'll try to take a look in the next hour or so
17:03 jcamins There were only three not found under 10.04?
17:03 mtompset Yep.
17:03 jcamins When I installed 3.6.1 on 10.04, there were a half dozen that had to be installed manually.
17:03 mtompset Well, then PerlDependencies has changed. :)
17:04 melia oh yay! thank you sekjal!!
17:04 mtompset HTTP::OAI ~ NOT FOUND!
17:04 mtompset Locale::Currency::Format ~ NOT FOUND!
17:04 mtompset Memoize::Memcached ~ NOT FOUND!
17:04 Morthland Is there a way to batch edit biblios?
17:05 jcamins Cool. :)
17:05 jcamins Morthland: I think possibly there will be in 3.10.
17:05 jcamins mtompset: does your script have to be run on Ubuntu?
17:06 mtompset No. I suppose it could run under Debian, but Debian has the packages. Why would you need it? :)
17:06 jcamins To generate ubuntu.packages at release time.
17:06 jcamins I want to run it on Debian *for* Ubuntu.
17:06 Morthland Should I pursue doing this through MYSQL?
17:07 jcamins Morthland: the first question?
17:07 wahanui "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
17:07 Morthland yes.
17:07 Morthland I imported my entire database from a backup
17:07 Morthland it changed the framework
17:07 Morthland I need to set it back
17:07 jcamins Why?
17:07 Morthland They are all set to audio-cassetes
17:07 jcamins (why do you need to set it back)
17:07 Morthland instead of books
17:08 Morthland my keyword-to marc mapping is messed up
17:08 jcamins Okay.
17:08 jcamins Did you delete the default framework?
17:08 Morthland no.
17:09 Morthland They were all books/booklets
17:09 jcamins How did you backup and restore your database?
17:10 Morthland Export bibliographics/holdings
17:10 Morthland stage records for import
17:12 jcamins Ah.
17:12 mtompset Is the default framework wrong, or something?
17:13 Morthland hmm?
17:15 jcamins mtompset: yeah, that's what I'm wondering about.
17:15 jcamins Morthland: what you describe shouldn't happen if you had the same frameworks in the old database and the new one.
17:15 jcamins And if you didn't, everything should have showed up as "default" on the new.
17:16 jcamins Unless you deleted the default framework.
17:16 jcamins What version?
17:16 Morthland 3.6 to 2.8
17:16 wahanui 12.968
17:17 jcamins Morthland: 3.8?
17:17 wahanui 3.8 is going to be great :)
17:18 jcamins Is there any reason you can't do a mysqldump and transfer the entire database?
17:18 jcamins That way you will keep all your existing frameworks.
17:18 Morthland I already have this transfered, as well as my patrons. Seems simpler just to manually edit from here.
17:19 Morthland is BIBLIO the correct table?
17:19 jcamins I don't think so.
17:19 jcamins Manually editing via the database almost always ends in disaster.
17:19 jcamins And by "almost always" I mean I cannot think of any counterexample.
17:19 tcohen mtompset: for k in $(for i in $(./ -m -u | grep '::' | cut -d" " -f1 | perl -pi -e 's/::/-/g' | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]') ; do echo lib$i-perl ; done); do apt-cache search $k ; done
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17:19 jcamins Wait...
17:20 jcamins I know why it's set to the wrong framework.
17:20 jcamins You select a framework when importing records.
17:20 martian523 hi, i have a questions about adding shipping costs to acquisitions
17:20 sekjal melia:  8418 no longer applies
17:20 jcamins Or, rather, you *should* select a framework.
17:20 melia dang it
17:20 martian523 is there anyway to add shipping costs?
17:20 jcamins Revert the import, and reimport, this time making sure to set the framework the way you want.
17:20 jcamins martian523: not to my knowledge.
17:21 Morthland how do I revert import?
17:21 mtompset not quit.
17:21 Morthland is it just an option?
17:21 mtompset CGI
17:21 mtompset YAML
17:22 jcamins Morthland: if you used stage MARC import, you just go click "Revert import." If you used bulkmarcimport, the best option is probably just to delete the records.
17:23 Morthland I clicked clean.
17:23 Morthland That was a mistake
17:23 jcamins Yes.
17:23 jcamins Well...
17:23 jcamins You could try an overlay.
17:23 Morthland Right.
17:24 martian523 another question, it seems like when i was trying to add quantity to my order basket, it wouldn't allow me until i delete "read only" in the html codes
17:25 martian523 is that something that needs to be fixed?
17:25 jcamins martian523: I think there's a + button that you click.
17:27 jcamins Full disclosure: I am offering advice on a module I avoid using.
17:28 martian523 + button?
17:28 jcamins A button with a plus sign?
17:28 martian523 i don't see it
17:28 * jcamins is advising based on hearsay.
17:29 jcamins Ah, there was an e-mail about this problem.
17:29 jcamins Upgrading to 3.8.2 from 3.8.1 fixed it.
17:30 Morthland how can I delete all the biblios+items?
17:30 martian523 so we have to upgrade?
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17:34 SVR pls HOW TO CUSTOMIZE OPAC? Add our own logo  *.gif file on desktop
17:34 jcamins Morthland: truncate biblio *should* work.
17:34 jcamins oleonard's blog?
17:34 wahanui oleonard's blog is
17:35 jcamins SVR: ^^ that's a good blog to look at.
17:35 jcamins Also, in the manual you will find information about the OPAC sysprefs.
17:35 jcamins martian523: what version are you running?
17:36 oleonard SVR: Specifically,
17:37 Morthland truncate?
17:37 jcamins Yeah, truncate the table.
17:37 Morthland ok
17:37 jcamins I don't like using truncate.
17:37 jcamins I don't like using delete either.
17:37 jcamins But I don't think you have a choice.
17:39 Morthland no luck
17:39 Morthland wont let me truncate
17:39 jcamins What did it say?
17:41 Morthland cannot truncate table referenced in a foreign key constraint
17:41 Morthland I might just drop all the tables and start from scratch.
17:41 jcamins Oh, I must have gotten it backwards.
17:41 jcamins No need.
17:41 Morthland what should I do/
17:41 Morthland ?
17:41 jcamins Run this command, less "everything": delete from everything biblio
17:42 * jcamins had sudden images of someone copying and pasting having gotten confused.
17:42 Morthland the whole string, you mean "less "everything": delete from everything biblio"
17:43 jcamins No, I mean after the colon, but remove the word "everything".
17:43 Morthland delete from biblio"?
17:43 Morthland *delete from biblio?
17:43 jcamins Right.
17:44 jcamins With a semicolon at the end.
17:44 * jcamins hopes no one tries copying that line, ever.
17:44 Morthland done.
17:45 Morthland let me see what I got.
17:46 Morthland haven't set up automatic indexing on the new server yet.
17:47 Morthland everything is still showing up.
17:47 jcamins Yeah, you'll need to reindex.
17:47 jcamins Even with rebuild_zebra running in cron.
17:48 Morthland i'm running the index-daemon
17:48 Morthland but that isn't fixing the issue
17:49 jcamins You'll have to reindex from scratch.
17:49 Morthland how do I do that?
17:49 jcamins koha-zebra-index --full
17:49 jcamins Or whatever that command is.
17:50 SVR i tried but no found correct result. tell me the script for simple log attaching to opac
17:50 jcamins SVR: if you look through the blog, there is lots of information about customizing the OPAC.
17:51 jcamins I imagine if you searched google for something like "koha change opac logo" you'd find a couple of blog posts.
17:52 oleonard SVR:
17:52 martian523 i'm running
17:52 jcamins martian523: then, yes, the solution would seem to be upgrading. I guess that was a bug in 3.8.1 that was fixed in 3.8.2.
17:53 tcohen do u #koha think --set-selections is a good method for setting the install of dependencies?
17:54 jcamins tcohen: to be honest, I do not.
17:54 jcamins I much preferred a script.
17:54 jcamins More self-explanatory.
17:54 tcohen i'm trying to document the install procedure for precise on a amd64 box and it doesn't lookreliable
17:54 jcamins But I guess set-selections is preferred for Ubuntu?
17:55 tcohen WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
17:55 tcohen This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
17:55 tcohen apt ubuntu-keyring (due to apt) libapt-pkg4.12 (due to apt) libstdc++6 ...
17:55 tcohen not sure WHY thou
17:55 jcamins !!!
17:55 jcamins That's not good.
17:55 tcohen not at all!
17:55 tcohen it *should* work
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17:57 mtompset WHAT?!
17:57 mtompset That's weird.
17:57 mtompset I thought 'apt' was in the install package list.
17:58 mtompset -- which begs the question, should it be? it's there by default.
17:58 jcamins Heh. Probably not.
17:58 tcohen I think i'm messing up with selections
17:59 tcohen otherwise something must be very wrong
18:01 jcamins fredericd++
18:01 mtompset BTW... you were right, jcamins. Half-dozen... I was tweaking my script.
18:02 mtompset CGI::Session::Driver::memcached NOT FOUND!
18:02 mtompset HTTP::OAI NOT FOUND!
18:02 mtompset Locale::Currency::Format NOT FOUND!
18:02 mtompset Memoize::Memcached NOT FOUND!
18:02 mtompset PDF::API2::Simple NOT FOUND!
18:02 mtompset Text::CSV::Encoded NOT FOUND!
18:02 tcohen what is the set-selections semantics?
18:02 jcamins Yeah, those look familiar.
18:02 tcohen does it overwrite the selections? is it appended?
18:03 jcamins tcohen: I suspect it's appended, but I don't know.
18:03 tcohen i have a virgin 12.04 install
18:03 tcohen and using set-selections tries to destroy it
18:04 * mtompset grins, "Sounds like it isn't any more."
18:04 Morthland looks likek that works
18:04 Morthland allthough,
18:04 Morthland my index daemon said it indexed 3400 entries,
18:04 Morthland and we only have 1550 items.
18:05 jcamins Odd.
18:05 tcohen mtompset: what are you exactly working on?
18:05 jcamins Morthland: for future reference, the best way to transfer a database between systems is to dump the entire database, and load it on the new system.
18:06 Morthland Good to know.
18:06 Morthland I wasn't sure whether Koha would be happy with that.
18:06 jcamins Yup.
18:06 jcamins That's how upgrades work.
18:06 mtompset a bash script that uses ./ to see if the libraries exist or not.
18:07 Morthland I used that,
18:07 Morthland and got to where I wasn't missing any dependencies,
18:07 Morthland and the web installer still listed one.
18:08 mtompset that would be a failure to update
18:08 mtompset Worthy of a bug report.
18:08 mtompset But that dpesn't make sense, since the web installed probably uses the same module.
18:09 tcohen mtompset, are you planning to add a new script?
18:09 Morthland I figured it did, so I was a bit confused
18:09 mtompset It was for my own personal use. :)
18:09 Morthland I CPANed it and had no problems
18:09 tcohen for k in $(for i in $(./ -m -u | grep '::' | cut -d" " -f1 | perl -pi -e 's/::/-/g' | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]') ; do echo lib$i-perl ; done); do apt-cache search $k ; done
18:09 mtompset I told you.
18:09 mtompset That won't work
18:09 mtompset CGI
18:09 mtompset YAML
18:09 tcohen it misses YAM Land CGI
18:10 mtompset and whatever future mess that comes along.
18:10 mtompset DBI
18:10 mtompset GD
18:10 mtompset JSON
18:10 tcohen thinking of useful scripts, adding a switch -B (fr batch)  to
18:11 tcohen would be of help
18:11 mtompset Test
18:11 mtompset POSIX
18:11 tcohen to make it output just the library names
18:11 mtompset Storable
18:11 wahanui Storable is yellow and Graphics::Magick
18:11 tcohen (the missing ones)
18:11 mtompset Template
18:11 wahanui it has been said that Template is a copy from output
18:11 mtompset ... I'll stop
18:11 mtompset That's why I am writing the script.
18:12 mtompset Would you like to see my rough draft?
18:12 tcohen i'd add a switch to koha_perl_deps
18:13 tcohen and also that useful script you're doing
18:13 tcohen i'd like to take a look at it
18:13 mtompset It's easier to bash onto it, than modify something that I haven't had time to understand.
18:13 tcohen it could serve for maintaining the docs
18:13 tcohen and the package list
18:14 mtompset Let's see.. I've never tried transferring a file via IRC in the last few decades.
18:15 jcamins If someone would like to submit a patch for ubuntu.packages for 3.6.7 (if there any missing), I will accept it.
18:15 mtompset Do you have a capable IRC client, tcohen?
18:15 tcohen yeap
18:15 jcamins You can transfer files over IRC?
18:15 * jcamins didn't know that.
18:16 tcohen jcamins, unfortunately i'm leaving in 10''
18:16 mtompset how do I do this?
18:16 tcohen but i'd like to have it ready for 3.6.7!
18:17 jcamins mtompset: git checkout origin/3.6.x
18:17 tcohen i'm finishing writing the INSTALL.ubuntu.precise file
18:17 jcamins Make any necessary changes to ubuntu.packages
18:17 jcamins git add ubuntu.packages
18:17 jcamins git commit
18:17 jcamins (add description)
18:17 jcamins git send-email -1
18:17 mtompset Maybe in 24 hours.
18:17 jcamins Send the message to
18:18 jcamins If no one has time to do it in the next day, it'll keep until 3.6.8. :)
18:19 jcamins Just thought I'd let you know that this is pretty much the only patch I'd accept for 3.6.7 at this point.
18:20 mtompset That's my script rough draft.
18:20 tcohen mtompset: email me at tomascohen gmail?
18:21 mtompset You didn't get the DCC SEND?
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18:21 tcohen nope, looks like quassel doesn't handle it
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18:23 tcohen bye everyone, have a nice weekend
18:23 mtompset Thank you. You too.
18:23 mtompset no dot?
18:24 jcamins mtompset: Gmail ignores dots.
18:24 mtompset oh, okay.
18:25 mtompset While I'm sending my script, would you like a glimpse too, jcamins?
18:26 jcamins mtompset: yes please!
18:26 jcamins jcamins at
18:28 tcohen Bug 8485
18:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make batch friendly
18:28 tcohen now I leave :-P
18:30 mtompset It may be rejected. :P
18:30 jcamins Thanks.
18:31 mtompset I sent an email. I suppose you got it. :)
18:31 oleonard jcamins: Could you comment on Bug 8360? Seems like something your expertise might help with
18:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8360 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , Author facet not working
18:32 jcamins Looking now.
18:32 mtompset I forgot to put some credit in my script to eythian? for the grep.
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18:32 martian523 i'm back, sorry
18:32 martian523 have another question about "lists"
18:32 jcamins Yeah, needs to be ,phr IMO.
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18:33 martian523 the list i created doesn't show up after i saved it
18:33 martian523 does the lists function not work?
18:33 oleonard It should martian523. Where and how are you creating the list?
18:33 oleonard and remind me what version you're on
18:35 oleonard Thanks jcamins
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18:36 mtompset Well, it is 2:34AM here.
18:36 mtompset I'm going to bed.
18:37 martian523 i'm using 3.8.1
18:37 martian523 and there's a "Lists"
18:38 martian523 I clicked on that, clicked new list
18:38 martian523 created a new list, saved, and doesn't appear in lists
18:39 oleonard Staff client martian523 ?
18:47 martian523 admin
18:49 oleonard I don't have any trouble creating a new list in the staff client in master.
18:49 martian523 am i doing something wrong?
18:50 martian523 staff client in master = admin, correct?
18:50 jcamins Staff client = the interface that staff use.
18:50 martian523 access everything right?
18:50 martian523 yes
18:51 oleonard martian523: After you create a new list, are you redirected to a page where you can add a new title to the list by barcode?
18:51 martian523 nope
18:52 martian523 redirected back to add new list
18:52 martian523 to the previous page
18:52 oleonard I don't see this problem in Bywater's Koha demo which is running 3.8.0
18:53 martian523 i'm running 3.8.1
18:53 jcamins martian523: are you logged in as the kohaadmin user?
18:53 martian523 yep
18:54 Morthland Because of all my issues with importing my records, my biblio numbers start at 6121. That isn't a problem, is it?
18:54 jcamins That's probably your problem.
18:54 jcamins Morthland: nope.
18:54 Morthland I figured. Always best to check, though.
18:54 oleonard martian523: You should always create a new superlibrarian user account to use instead of kohaadmin
18:55 jcamins Morthland: agreed.
18:55 oleonard Using kohaadmin is likely to lead to random errors
18:55 oleonard martian523: There's no point in investigating this bug further until you test with a regular account
18:56 martian523 superlibrarian user account?
18:56 martian523 wow
18:57 martian523 let me ask the IT ppl
18:57 oleonard martian523: That just means a new patron in Koha with "superlibrarian" privileges
18:57 oleonard No IT ppl required
19:02 oleonard Sound doable martian523 ?
19:03 martian523 how do you set up the superlibrarian privileges?
19:03 martian523 i'm in kohaadmin at this point
19:03 oleonard Did you create a new patron?
19:04 martian523 by creating a new patron of "superlibrarian", i can do more than what i can do now?
19:04 oleonard Yes, because you can do it without random bugs related to using the kohaadmin user
19:04 jcamins martian523: you can do almost everything you can do well, and you'll be able to get help.
19:04 jcamins *now, not well
19:05 oleonard The kohaadmin user is not meant to be used except to set up the main admin user
19:05 oleonard martian523: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#addnewpatron
19:06 oleonard martian523: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]npermissions.html
19:09 martian523 ok, thanks, i'll try
19:14 wizzyrea @marc 501
19:14 huginn wizzyrea: A note that is used when more than one bibliographic work is contained in a physical item at the time of publishing, release, issue, or execution. The works usually have distinctive titles and lack a collective title. (Repeatable) [a,5,6,8]
19:14 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
19:14 martian523 thanks, everything works now
19:14 martian523 =)
19:14 wizzyrea hrm
19:14 wizzyrea @marc 505
19:14 huginn wizzyrea: The titles of separate works or parts of an item or the table of contents. The field may also contain statements of responsibility and volume numbers or other sequential designations. (Repeatable) [a,g,r,t,u,6,8]
19:15 jcamins wizzyrea: the note looks lik "Bound with: book / author."
19:15 wizzyrea @marc 505a
19:15 huginn wizzyrea: unknown tag 505a
19:15 wizzyrea @marc 505$a
19:15 huginn wizzyrea: unknown tag 505$a
19:15 wizzyrea hrmph.
19:15 jcamins @marc 505 a
19:15 huginn jcamins: Formatted contents note The format of the note is determined by the relevant cataloging rules.
19:15 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
19:15 jcamins @marc 505 t
19:15 huginn jcamins: Title  (Repeatable)
19:15 jcamins @marc 505 r
19:15 huginn jcamins: Statement of responsibility  (Repeatable)
19:15 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]blionumber=243386
19:15 * jcamins runs around and shouts "I'm helping!"
19:16 wizzyrea trying to find a place besides subjects to put all that stuf fin
19:16 wizzyrea hehehe
19:16 wizzyrea is a bit of a display nightmare
19:16 jcamins I would use 690.
19:16 jcamins You want them to be controlled headings.
19:16 wizzyrea 690 you say
19:16 jcamins That's what I'd do.
19:17 wizzyrea how does it display?
19:17 jcamins Then make Koha put the tag number in the class and, bingo, easy to format.
19:17 jcamins Except in order to have these authority controlled they'd have to be formatted not like that.
19:17 wizzyrea oh it's not about authority control
19:17 jcamins You know what, forget the 690 suggestion.
19:17 wizzyrea it's a bout making it look pretty.
19:18 jcamins I know.
19:18 wizzyrea :P
19:18 jcamins But I'd use 690 so that they'd be live links.
19:18 wizzyrea oh they don't need to be live links
19:18 jcamins (i.e. authority controlled)
19:18 wizzyrea in fact, clicking them is ERROR ERROR
19:18 jcamins Okay...
19:18 wizzyrea so i'd even rather them not be links
19:18 jcamins 505.
19:18 oleonard Hey wizzyrea, that stuff is falling from the sky again. You know, the... whatsit.
19:19 wizzyrea oh um...
19:19 wizzyrea it's moist
19:19 wizzyrea r...
19:19 wizzyrea rrrr...
19:19 wizzyrea rhododendrons?
19:19 oleonard Right, but it's not ravioli
19:19 wizzyrea no, not that.
19:19 jcamins Though, just a warning, 505 is pretty gosh darn hideous.
19:20 * wizzyrea is very jealous that oleonard has rhinestones falling from the sky
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19:40 oleonard Shelving location really ought to be branch-specific.
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19:44 wizzyrea or you have an iron fisted control over what happens at every branch in your system.
19:44 * wizzyrea makes a habit of forcing square pegs into round holes
19:44 * wizzyrea is teasing
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20:17 oleonard Bye #koha, have a good weekend
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21:31 rangi fredericd++
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23:28 bag bug 8133
23:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
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