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bencahill |
hey guys...currently my server is a p4 2.5 with 1GB ram and a 40GB ide drive, running koha with ~2k biblios/items. What should I be looking for upgrading..mainly a fast cpu, or fast hdd (or ssd) raid..etc? |
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jcamins_away |
bencahill: CPU and RAM. |
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jcamins_away |
bencahill: faster HDD + RAID would be a good idea, but chances are your bottleneck is CPU and RAM. |
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bencahill |
jcamins_away: my thoughts as well... |
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bencahill |
jcamins_away: so I could probably just get a pair of 250GB 7200RPM drives and put them in a raid1, and that would be plenty for my disk needs? |
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jcamins_away |
Usually it's RAM, but P4 2.5 is kinda old. |
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jcamins_away |
bencahill: I would think so. |
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bencahill |
jcamins_away: yeah, right now pageloads are on the order of 4-8 seconds, mostly 100% cpu |
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jcamins |
A modern CPU should fix that. |
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jcamins |
What sort of load do you have? |
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bencahill |
jcamins: would 4GB of RAM be plenty, or might I want more? |
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jcamins |
And anticipate. |
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jcamins |
Depends on the size of your library. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: only one person at a time in the library, checking in and out books |
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jcamins |
How many records? |
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bencahill |
jcamins: as time goes on, more people may use the OPAC, but I doubt it would be any more than 2 or 3 at a time |
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bencahill |
~2k biblios and items |
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jcamins |
Oh, 1GB would actually be enough for that. |
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jcamins |
Mind you, 4GB would be a heck of a lot better. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: yeah, that's kinda what I thought :P |
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bencahill |
jcamins: considering ram is pretty cheap though... |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You can get 4GB for $50 or something like that. It's a small investment for a great deal of room for expansion. |
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bencahill |
right now backup sql.gz's are 6.2M |
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bencahill |
jcamins: right, so a small raid1, and 4GB of ram, and then spend the rest on a fast cpu? |
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bencahill |
I'm assuming koha can utilize multi-core processors well? |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
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jcamins |
I don't think it even needs to be a *fast* CPU. |
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jcamins |
Just a modern one. |
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jcamins |
I easily run much heavier systems on a VM on my Intel Core 2 Duo laptop. |
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jcamins |
Well, kind of. |
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jcamins |
Since it's CGI, if you have multiple requests at once, they'll run on different cores. |
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jcamins |
If you only have one request, there's nothing particularly multithreaded. |
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jcamins |
(though I suppose MySQL could use one core and Apache the other) |
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bencahill |
jcamins: how much faster do you think an athlon64 x2 5000+ (dual-core 2.8) would be than a p4 2.5? |
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bencahill |
jcamins: oh, so if I was going for more speed on single-user loads, I'd want to get higher clock/bus/cache than cores? |
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jcamins |
Well, according to cpubenchmark.net, the P4 has a score of 304, and the Athlon a score of 1344. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: do you trust those generally? I like that as well for having a nice spreadsheet :P |
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jcamins |
I don't think clock/bus/cache makes that much of a difference, really. |
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jcamins |
I mean, it does, but I think you need really big changes for it to make a difference. |
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jcamins |
I think as ballpark estimates, cpubenchmark.net probably offers value. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: right, but neither would cores if your application is not multithreaded :-/ |
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jcamins |
bencahill: right, I'd probably just save the money. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: okay...(this is for our church, so right now I need to get a ballpark figure for upgrading...I'm thinking 300-400 USD) |
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jcamins |
Go with a dual-core system, so that MySQL and Apache each have their own core. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: yeah, so like a modern athlon or i3 dual-core... |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
That's what I'd do. |
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jcamins |
$300-400 seems perfectly reasonable. |
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jcamins |
Heck, you could probably get a prebuilt system in that range that would do what you need. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: good point, I hadn't thought of that...would save time :-P |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: what companies do stuff like that (without junk like monitor, video card, etc.)? |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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* jcamins |
doesn't even know anymore. |
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bencahill |
hehe |
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bencahill |
...not that building is a problem, I quite enjoy it...but yeah, if I could get one prebuilt, that would be faster |
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bencahill |
I'll look around and see if I see anything I like |
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jcamins |
newegg? |
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* bencahill |
has 6 newegg tabs open currently :P |
| 02:58 |
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bencahill |
although just looking at parts right now... |
| 02:58 |
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bencahill |
and yeah, stuff is cheap :P |
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jcamins |
Amazing, isn't it? |
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bencahill |
it seems like the amd cpu's are still cheaper for the same performance... |
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bencahill |
jcamins: and nice :) |
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sits on his old athlon64 single-core 1.8, purring along happily :) |
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bencahill |
newegg doesn't really have anything in the way of amd dual-core :-/ |
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bencahill |
actually looking at more like $25 for 4GB ram...and not looking at off-brands, more like crucial,kingston |
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bencahill |
whoa, hdd prices really have skyrocketed, though...got a couple of tb drives last year for $50-60 each, now cheapest 250GB on newegg is $80 o.0 ...may skip the raid :P |
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jcamins |
Yikes. |
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jcamins |
Might be a good idea. |
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bencahill |
yeah, I think due to flooding in japan this past summer/fall |
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bencahill |
my brother in server/db administration mentioned it last year, said they had tripled in price |
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bencahill |
jcamins: I suppuse for something like this, a 400W psu would be plenty, right? |
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jcamins |
I would think. |
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bencahill |
I think the computer we built here is something like that...and it has three hdd's and a graphics card :P |
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jcamins |
That should be plenty. |
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* jcamins |
calls it a night. |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: cya |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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bencahill |
hullo |
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Pratyush |
hi |
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wahanui |
hola, Pratyush |
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Pratyush |
please help me |
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Pratyush |
please tell me how to attach pdf in koha |
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Pratyush |
Could you please do let me know answer of below query regarding KOHA ? |
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Pratyush |
The library system given below seem to be meant for commercial library purpose – while Our other client is intending to cater to departmental needs of technical reference from any where any time. This would mean books will be converted to PDF – non saving, non printing at client side. Pl check whether this is similar requirement at MPID as well. |
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Pratyush |
hwllo |
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Pratyush |
hello |
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chintu |
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wahanui |
privet, chintu |
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chintu |
Could you please do let me know answer of below query regarding KOHA ? |
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chintu |
The library system given below seem to be meant for commercial library purpose – while Our other client is intending to cater to departmental needs of technical reference from any where any time. This would mean books will be converted to PDF – non saving, non printing at client side. Pl check whether this is similar requirement at MPID as well |
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chintu |
hello sir |
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chintu |
please provide some solution |
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chintu |
please help |
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jcamins |
Good morning, cait. |
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cait |
hi jcamins :) |
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cait |
not such a good morning, but better than last night |
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cait |
had to pick out new glasses today |
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jcamins |
:( |
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cait |
and it's still freezing |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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cait |
the old frame broke at the nose |
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jcamins |
Yup. That's pretty cold. |
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cait |
so... 2 pieces... and can not be repaired |
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cait |
feels a lot colder |
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libsysguy |
o/ |
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jcamins |
o/ |
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jcamins |
I was just thinking of you, actually. |
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libsysguy |
hehe |
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jcamins |
I was just thinking "where did libsysguy put all the CSS and jQuery he did?" |
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libsysguy |
well if you were also thinking about your patch I didn't get a chance to finish |
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* jcamins |
is now thinking about you for two reasons. |
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jcamins |
You shouldn't have reminded me. :P |
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libsysguy |
what CSS and jQuery |
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jcamins |
On catalog.uttyler.edu. |
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libsysguy |
did I hide it? |
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jcamins |
No, I thought I recalled you posting it on a wiki somewhere. |
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libsysguy |
ohhh no I didn't |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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libsysguy |
would you like me to? |
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jcamins |
Please! |
| 14:53 |
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libsysguy |
will do |
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libsysguy |
sorry jcamins |
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jcamins |
Thanks. :) |
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libsysguy |
is there a theme secion in the wiki |
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jcamins |
Not yet. |
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jcamins |
There should be, though. |
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libsysguy |
maybe I should create it and put it there |
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jcamins |
Sounds like a good idea. :) |
| 14:55 |
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jcamins |
Thanks! |
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jcamins |
libsysguy++ |
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* jcamins |
finally realizes why he keeps on getting logged out. |
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jcamins |
I've been refreshing this page: http://192.168.56.57/cgi-bin/k[…]ain.pl?logout.x=1 |
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jcamins |
While testing CSS. |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
logout |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
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jcamins |
Over and over and over. |
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* jcamins |
learns about rounded corners in CSS. |
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* jcamins |
rounds ALL THE CORNERS!!! |
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jcamins |
Bwahahahahaha!!! |
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* jcamins |
watches cait, libsysguy, and drojf1 sneak away quietly. |
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* chris_n |
welcoms jcamins to the club |
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chris_n |
:) |
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jcamins |
:) |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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jcamins |
This is tricky. |
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jcamins |
chris_n: are you rounding all the corners now, too? |
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chris_n |
yup, I like the "sculpted" look |
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* jcamins |
has decided to not care about IE for right now. |
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chris_n |
that's generally a good attitude to take toward IE |
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* jcamins |
considers colors. |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
I didn't sneak away! |
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libsysguy |
noooo don't round the corners with CSS |
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libsysguy |
unless you don't care about IE users |
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libsysguy |
then by all means…ROUND ALL THE CORNERS |
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* libsysguy |
comes back from his…*ehem* morning activities |
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* jcamins |
probably should care about IE users. |
| 15:42 |
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* jcamins |
doesn't, really. |
| 15:42 |
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* libsysguy |
wishes I didn't have to |
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* jcamins |
decides to see what it looks like in IE. |
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libsysguy |
it just doesn't do them |
| 15:42 |
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libsysguy |
in 7 or 8 |
| 15:42 |
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libsysguy |
not sure about 9 |
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libsysguy |
but I don't think it does them there either |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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jcamins |
It doesn't even do the background properly. |
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jcamins |
This shouldn't be that hard. |
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libsysguy |
well IE rarely does anything correctly |
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jcamins |
The background is *black*. |
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libsysguy |
what does your CSS look like to set it? |
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jcamins |
background: black; |
| 15:45 |
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* libsysguy |
has battled with IE before |
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jcamins |
Here's the problem. |
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jcamins |
There's an ms-linear-gradient in the stylesheet. |
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libsysguy |
ahh |
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jcamins |
And apparently order of loading has no relevance to IE. |
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libsysguy |
what version? |
| 15:46 |
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jcamins |
Maybe I should do a gradient. |
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jcamins |
8. |
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libsysguy |
hmm…it was 7 that generally had the gradient issues |
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libsysguy |
at least we don't have to support 6 anymore |
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jcamins |
Well, I don't want any gradient at all. |
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libsysguy |
oh…I thought thats what you were doing |
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libsysguy |
oops |
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jcamins |
No, I'm thinking of adding a gradient because apparently gradients take precedence over non-gradient backgrounds. |
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libsysguy |
so the background:black comes after the gradient and its still applying |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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libsysguy |
0_0 |
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libsysguy |
can you do a background:none; then background:black;? |
| 15:48 |
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libsysguy |
like a reset... |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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jcamins |
No luck. |
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libsysguy |
c.r.a.p. |
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jcamins |
Well, I'll fiddle with IE more after I've gotten it looking nice in every other intelligent browser. |
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libsysguy |
haha |
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jcamins |
Well, every intelligent browser. |
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jcamins |
No "other" about it. |
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libsysguy |
thats probably the most frustrating part…you get it working in all the "other" browsers then try and fix it in IE, and break all the other browsers |
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libsysguy |
scumbag IE |
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cait |
what libsysguy said... |
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cait |
been there, done that, want to stay away |
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* libsysguy |
ponders the idea of a drupal module that switches the theme based on browser |
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libsysguy |
similar to mobile tools |
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@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -11.2�C (8:34 PM CET on February 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036.1 hPa (Falling). |
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@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -11.3�C (9:40 PM CET on February 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036.1 hPa (Steady). |
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@wunder 28334 |
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