IRC log for #koha, 2012-01-23

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03:32 AmitG heya bag
03:39 Smurk Tell me, how am I supposed to check what's running on cronjobs?  And would that line be OK to have rebuild-zebra runnning all the time:  */5 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra $(koha-list --enabled) ?  In some webpage, I have read that it's supposed to be -b -a -z:  should I add -b -a -z?
03:45 AmitG heya smruk
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04:18 AmitG heya cait Good morning
04:18 cait good morning AmitG
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04:58 Smurk So no idea about the cronjobs?  I am sorry, these are really newbie questions, but I can't help it, I am a newbie. :p
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04:59 cait what was your question Smurk?
04:59 Smurk Tell me, how am I supposed to check what's running on cronjobs? And would that line be OK to have rebuild-zebra runnning all the time: */5 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra $(koha-list --enabled) ? In some webpage, I have read that it's supposed to be -b -a -z: should I add -b -a -z?
04:59 cait there is an example file for the cronjobs
04:59 cait I always use that as a start
04:59 cait it's under /misc/cronjobs in your koha folder
04:59 cait folder = directory
05:00 Smurk OK, I check...
05:01 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:01 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.9�C (5:59 AM CET on January 23, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
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05:04 Smurk I don't have a cronjobs folder under misc... O_o
05:05 cait misc in your koha directory
05:05 cait what kind of install did you do?
05:06 Smurk I didn't do the install...
05:06 Smurk I don't know.
05:07 cait do you know your koha version?
05:07 Smurk Maybe there are different koha folders on the server, and I am not in the right one. The person who did the install, he emailed me to check under /etc/cron.d/koha-common  but I can't find that folder neither.
05:07 Smurk I am helpless.  >.<
05:08 cait hm
05:08 cait ok
05:08 cait an install from the packages then i think
05:08 cait I think your command is far too complicated in that case
05:08 Smurk Yes, he said "The cronjob runs from the cron.d directory (as installed by the package)", so I guess that has been installed from a package.
05:08 cait yep
05:08 cait and it's not running yet?
05:09 cait what made you look at the cronjobs?
05:09 Smurk Koha is running quite well, but there is a problem with the search engine which made us think that there are problems with the rebuild-zebra thing.
05:09 cait hm ok
05:09 cait I am not sure how the packages work here
05:10 cait perhaps you can try and ask again a bit later
05:10 rangi look in /etc/cron.d/
05:10 Smurk Isn't it a regular install?
05:10 rangi and /etc/cron.daily
05:10 Smurk I would like to, but I can't find that folder... let's try again.
05:11 rangi there should be koha-common
05:11 rangi files in both, if indeed it was a package install
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05:14 AmitG heya rangi
05:14 rangi hi AmitG
05:14 Smurk OK, I have got it...
05:15 Smurk So, that's the lines I was thinking:  */5 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra $(koha-list --enabled)
05:15 Smurk (plus another one about process message queue)
05:16 Smurk But shouldn't there -a -b -z
05:16 Smurk ?
05:16 Smurk (but shouldn't there be -b -a -z?)  that's what I meant...  :/
05:18 rangi no
05:18 rangi if you want you can take a look at
05:18 rangi /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra
05:18 rangi that will have the options
05:20 Smurk OK, I did read the koha-rebuild-zebra file and there are lots of letters which probably are fine. :)
05:21 Smurk I feel really stupid, it takes me forever to understand the smallest thing...
05:21 Smurk Anyway, thanks a lot for your help.
05:21 Smurk I will have to come back another day, because it's children time...
05:22 rangi no problem
05:22 Smurk I still need to find out why that search engine doesn't find the new biblios since obviously rebuild-zebra is working fine.
05:23 Smurk Thanks for your help, Cait and Rangi!  Have a nice day!
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06:00 tom hi there . can someone tell me if there is a version of koha that can run on windows 7
06:01 rangi as the server or client?
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06:08 tom as server
06:09 rangi only if you run wmware and run a linux virtual machine in there
06:10 rangi or, you want to spend a lot of time compiling things
06:10 mtj heya peeps :)
06:10 rangi of course we can't possibly recommend running on windows natively
06:11 tom you mean running it on win xp?
06:11 mtj tom:  chris.n has successfully completed a koha-3.x install  on window, but he's smarter than most :)
06:11 rangi and even he wouldn't use it in production
06:11 mtj and, afaik the only person - to have done so
06:12 rangi[…]i/Koha_3.2#Koha_3.2_on_Win32_w.2FStrawberry_Perl_Notes  .. that might work for 3.6.x
06:12 rangi but as i said, I don't recommend using windows as a server for anything
06:12 rangi but if you have to, running vmware with a linux virtual machine in it, running koha, is probably the best way to do it
06:14 mtj yeah - i have customers running Koha-3 in a debain virtual-box, on windows-7
06:14 mtj its a pain in the ass, of course,  but its workable
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06:15 tom so which version linux would you you recommend?
06:16 rangi if you use debian, you can install koha using the packages which is by far the easiest to install, and to keep up to date
06:16 rangi ubuntu also
06:16 rangi the other distros you would need to install from the tarball or git
06:16 magnus_away[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
06:17 rangi brb
06:17 cait morning magnus_away :)
06:17 magnus_away hiya cait
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06:18 cait hm
06:18 cait where si the difference between magnuse_away and magnuse_afk?
06:18 tom i was also wondering whether its possible to intergrate koha onto my already running website?\
06:18 mtj ok.... off to for cheap 2-for-1 pizza!
06:19 magnus_afk less and less... ;-)
06:19 magnus_afk tom: depends on what you mean by "integrate" :-)
06:20 tom i mean run it on the same domain as my site.
06:20 tom of course the link will different
06:22 magnus_afk hm, most people use a subdomain, i think
06:23 magnus_afk i'm not sure how you'd do for example
06:24 tom i have seen these guys  have succeded. only i dont know how.
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06:56 AmitG heya magnus_afk, mtj, tom
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07:08 magnus_afk namaste AmitG
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07:56 sophie_m hi #koha
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07:59 asaurat hi!
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08:03 francharb morning #koha
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08:03 alex_a morning #koha !
08:03 julian_m hello
08:03 wahanui hey, julian_m
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08:43 AmitG heya kmkale
08:43 kmkale Namaste AmitG :)
08:43 AmitG kmkale: kya haal
08:43 kmkale AmitG: behaal :(
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08:57 kf hi again #koha
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08:58 magnus_afk so, a date for gbsd?
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08:59 kf hmm
08:59 kf hm perhaps in 2 weeks?
08:59 kf bonjour paul_p :)
08:59 kf so somewhere between 6th and 10th
08:59 magnus_afk kf: yeah! wednesday february 8?
09:00 magnus_afk i'm traveling on the 9th
09:00 kf 8th would be fine for me
09:01 magnus_afk cool, that's settled then?
09:01 kf I think so
09:01 kf noone disagrees :P
09:01 paul_p brb
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09:02 magnus_afk yay
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09:03 kf wb paul_p
09:06 magnus_afk next gbsd?
09:06 wahanui next gbsd is[…]bug_squashing_day
09:06 magnus_afk forget next gbsd?
09:06 wahanui magnus_afk: I forgot next gbsd
09:06 magnus_afk next gbsd is[…]bug_squashing_day
09:06 magnus_afk next gbsd?
09:06 wahanui well, next gbsd is[…]bug_squashing_day
09:07 magnus_afk some of the links might need updating after the changes to the statuses etc
09:07 kf rangi updated one of his reports already I think
09:07 kf I can try to build a new bugzilla report
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09:08 magnus_afk yay
09:13 kf[…]eadlineto=&email1
09:13 kf bugzilla urls
09:13 kf fun!
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09:16 AmitG slef around?
09:16 kf magnus_afk: updated the wiki page
09:16 magnus_afk kf++
09:16 AmitG heya kf
09:17 kf the list of patches must be updated too
09:19 kf and that is updated now too
09:21 magnus_afk woot!
09:21 kf I think it sould work now
09:21 kf not sure about your scripts
09:22 magnus_afk yeah, i'll have to look at them
09:22 magnus_afk i think they should be ok though
09:22 magnus_afk or at least they are based on data from one of rangi's scripts, so i don't think there is much i can do :-)
09:23 kf ah, makes sense
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10:55 paul_p BibLibre internet connection if really bad this morning :'(((
10:55 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7310] Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310>
11:04 * kf hands paul_p the duct tape
11:04 paul_p kf, ???
11:04 wahanui kf, is the ISSN displayed the same way the ISBN is?
11:05 kf ah, perhaps you missed the joke
11:05 kf if someone is falling out of irc, he can use the tape...
11:06 kf paul_p: hotel booked and train tickets ordered - :)
11:06 kf for marseille
11:07 paul_p kf++
11:07 paul_p kf_boss++ too ;-)
11:07 kf bsz++ :)
11:10 kf forget kf,
11:10 wahanui kf: I forgot kf,
11:10 kf kf?
11:10 wahanui it has been said that kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
11:12 AmitG heya mtj
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11:28 jcamins_away Good morning.
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11:29 kf hi jcamins :)
11:39 jcamins kf++ # For signing off in December
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11:41 kendle hi all
11:42 kendle how to add my custom page in koha... e.g. (About Library | History | ......... | )
11:43 kf oh thx jcamins
11:43 jcamins kendle: take a look at
11:43 kf rangi++
11:43 jcamins However, the short answer is, don't.
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13:33 oleonard Hi #koha
13:39 kf hi oleonard
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13:52 druthb o/
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13:55 druthb I don't know if I'm just too Monday-Stupid to find the bug report on the bug that's annoying me this morning, or if it's one of those that is *so* obtuse that everyone has said, "surely someone else will have reported that, so I won't."
13:57 druthb gonna chase down breakfast, then return to bug-hunting.
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14:01 oleonard druthb_chow should've given us a hint
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14:19 oleonard The new simplified bug status workflow leaves me feeling like I've missed a step
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14:27 druthb oleonard:  I'm back....a good rush of angry is a good way to get the adrenaline going and wake me up.
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14:27 druthb Here's the issue:  Titles with ampersands--in the data, it's &, but on the hitlist, it shows as &amp;   It's getting escaped, un-necessarily.
14:28 oleonard I thought that was fixed
14:28 druthb I've got two different 3.6.2 stables that are doing it.
14:31 druthb bug  2600 and bug 2847 seem to point to this, but I can't find any report that specifically names this issue.
14:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2600 critical, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , HTML tags in titles not escaped in many places
14:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2847 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use HTML escape in templates where appropriate
14:33 jcamins_away druthb, look at the line in C4 dearch that teplaces '&amp'. git blame will give you bug number.
14:35 druthb Bug 3326 also seems to be part of this, for some reason--why a *closed* bug would be the issue...  *shrug*
14:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
14:36 jcamins_away On phone, if you couldn't tell.
14:36 jcamins_away That's the one. Possibly reverted?
14:36 jcamins_away (by accident)
14:37 druthb That's what I'm gonna investigate, once I get my brain fully on-line.
14:37 jcamins_away Rebuilding witj xml?
14:38 druthb In both of these cases, yes.
14:38 jcamins_away Bug 3326 then.
14:39 jcamins_away Every onstance od entity?
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14:40 druthb everywhere I've *looked*--but with a couple hundred thousand bibs, can't testify to *everywhere*.
14:41 jcamins_away No, on a given record. First and secomd? etc.
14:42 jcamins_away Tiny keyboard...
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14:42 druthb Don't have any on tap with two.   Yet.
14:42 jcamins_away Ok. I will ponder.
14:42 druthb relax; I'll find it now that I've found a whiff of a trail to chase.
14:43 jcamins_away :)
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15:08 magnuse biblibre++ for working on bug 6440
15:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets
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15:13 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea!
15:13 * wizzyrea waves
15:13 druthb o/
15:13 wizzyrea how is everyone this morning
15:13 * druthb grumbles, but you knew that already
15:13 * wizzyrea hugs druthb
15:16 * wizzyrea curses email that is not *the* email in her personal inbox. No, I dn't care about your shitty remix CD!
15:16 wizzyrea erm
15:16 wizzyrea wrong window.
15:17 wizzyrea lulz
15:17 wizzyrea wow.
15:17 wizzyrea ohh kay.
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15:17 magnuse oops
15:17 * druthb boggles
15:17 trea guess she didn't like my remix cd
15:18 * trea rimshots.
15:18 kf lol
15:18 magnuse heh
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15:28 druthb Namaskar, kmkale.
15:28 kmkale namaste druthb
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16:18 gaetan_B bye!
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16:49 cait hi #koha
16:49 chris_n heya cait
16:49 druthb hi, cait. :)
16:49 cait hi chris_n
16:49 cait hi druthb :)
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17:28 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7343 - Fix empty values in statistic 1 and 2 dropboxes in neworderempty <[…]1e1b0b3aa10597fe8> / Bug 7098: Adds koha_url elements to sco.css. <[…]5c6cab72dbd3335f6> / 6829 Follow up <[…]itdiff;h=f18e1488
17:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #600 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #597 4 j 0 h ago)
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17:35 oleonard_ BSOD. Haven't seen one of those in a while.
17:37 cait BSOD?
17:37 oleonard_ Blue screen of death
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17:38 jcamins_away cait is thinking "why would one ever see one of those? Linux only has very rare kernel panics. :P
17:39 cait :)
17:41 * jcamins_away ignores the spam on the mailing list.
17:41 wizzyrea o my.
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18:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #600: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/600/
18:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7402 : Fixing the date formatting so links to the invoice page work
18:25 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6790: Remove unnecessary variable from getroutinglist return
18:25 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6829 Follow up patch
18:25 jenkins_koha * 6829 Follow up
18:25 jenkins_koha * gcollum: Bug 7098: Adds koha_url elements to sco.css.
18:25 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: bug 7343 - Fix empty values in statistic 1 and 2 dropboxes in neworderempty
18:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7402 normal, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , invoice not showing received titles
18:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6790 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , C4::Serials::getroutinglist returns unnecessary variable
18:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6829 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , Remove two warnings for opac-MARCdetail
18:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7098 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gcollum, Pushed to Master , powered by koha not styled on sco
18:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7343 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , search tag usability in MARC framework
18:35 cait jenkins is mailing me again.
18:35 cait hmpf :)
18:36 * wizzyrea gives jenkins the eye
18:38 magnus_afk hm, i just tried a dev install from current master, and something in t/Koha_template_plugin_KohaDates.t wasn't happy
18:39 jcamins_away jenkins give wizzyrea the "then fix it" eye.
18:40 wizzyrea maybe I will!
18:40 * wizzyrea is still plugging away on bug 7001
18:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , User Configurable Slips
18:41 magnus_afk anyone got an idea why t/Koha_template_plugin_KohaDates.tis looking for 'kohahead.systempreferences'? there isn't supposed to be anything in the db at this time
18:41 magnus_afk s/looking for/complaining about/
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18:44 cait hm
18:44 cait mybe ask rangi?
18:44 cait he should show up soon I think
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18:49 wizzyrea question
18:49 wizzyrea in the keyword to marc mappings
18:49 wizzyrea can you have multiple "subtitle" mappings?
18:49 wizzyrea so if you want, say, the 245$b and the 490$v both
18:49 wizzyrea can you do that?
18:49 * wizzyrea hasn't tried it yet
18:49 cait yep
18:49 cait I have
18:49 cait np and b
18:49 wizzyrea WHOO!
18:50 cait 245 npb
18:50 cait or something like that
18:50 cait and it eems to work nicely
18:50 wizzyrea all in subtitle?
18:50 cait 3 entries, one for each field+subfield and all named subtite
18:50 wizzyrea cait++ for knowing arcane things
18:50 cait lol
18:52 trea1 noice!
18:52 wizzyrea so does anyone else have them in like this:
18:53 wizzyrea and do you know - if I add them in with the subtitle am I going to see multiple entries for the same thing in different displays?
18:53 wizzyrea I could just try it and see I suppose :)
18:53 cait hm I think so
18:53 cait but probably if the field shows up somewhere anyway
18:53 cait you will see it doubld up
18:54 wizzyrea i'm thinking specifically of the hold queue, for example
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18:59 wizzyrea lol cait, you just totally made my day.
18:59 wizzyrea my librarians have been whining about that for ages.
19:00 cait so it does owrk as expected?
19:00 oleonard What setting did you go with wizzyrea? Your screenshot 404'ed
19:01 wizzyrea well I'm refining the order, at the moment
19:01 wizzyrea :)
19:01 wizzyrea Yes!
19:01 wizzyrea it does work as expected
19:01 cait yep the order is important
19:01 magnus_afk kf++
19:02 wizzyrea
19:02 wizzyrea oh humbug
19:02 wizzyrea screencast is busted I think
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19:04 oleonard Yeah, can't log in.
19:04 rangi back
19:05 magnus_afk kia ora rangi
19:05 oleonard Hi rangi
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19:09 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now
19:09 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
19:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #601 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #597 4 j 2 h ago)
19:10 magnus_afk rangi: i failed "make test" when i was doing a dev install from current master just now:
19:11 rangi yep
19:11 rangi KohaDates and Reports cant be tested without db
19:12 rangi if you wanted you could shift them to db_dependent
19:12 magnus_afk by design?
19:12 rangi yes, they cant work without sysprefs
19:13 magnus_afk oh well, sounds to me like they should be in db_dependent then, otherwise the tests will fail for a lot of people, i think...
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20:02 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
20:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #601: FIXED in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/601/
20:04 rangi yay!
20:04 magnus_afk woohoo!
20:07 cait yay :)
20:07 cait rangi++
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20:12 rangi checkt this out!
20:12 rangi[…]ml#author_of_year look who is number 4!
20:14 jcamins_away Woohoo!
20:14 jcamins_away Connor++
20:17 cait :)
20:18 maximep our client is asking about bug 3468 ans it's status. If I understand correctly it's standing in a branch that was based on 3.4 ? Am I reading this right ?
20:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3468 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Enhanced patron searching, patron batch edit/delete
20:20 oleonard That was quite a while ago...
20:20 jcamins_away maximep: a branch based on the alpha of 3.2, I think.
20:21 maximep so I would need to extract it into a patch and make it work on master if I wanted it to progress ?
20:21 jcamins_away Right.
20:21 jcamins_away Remember that 3.1 used H:T:P.
20:22 maximep yeah, working with a mix of 3.2 and 3.6, so used to that
20:23 maximep hmmm so how do I extract a patch from that branch
20:23 maximep not even sure on what it's based
20:23 maximep this[…]s_patron_features
20:24 wizzyrea @later tell paul_p *tickle* bug 6350 has the other three new developers on it :)
20:24 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:24 jcamins_away maximep: you're lucky. The patch is on
20:25 jcamins_away git format-patch origin/master
20:25 jcamins_away Should result in .patch files with the patches on that branch that aren't in master.
20:25 maximep sure
20:26 maximep but comparing that branch to a master 3.8 will have a giant patch, no ?
20:26 jcamins_away I don't think so.
20:26 maximep trying it
20:26 jcamins_away If you end up with a ton of patches, it means that I got the command backwards.
20:27 maximep got 1  patch of 2286 lines
20:27 maximep probably right
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20:29 maximep thanks, will look at it =)
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21:23 edveal I am using this to hide the location column and it works fine except for one issue. When there are multiple holdings the data for the second holding is shifted by one column. Any advice?
21:23 edveal <!--Hide Location Column from Opac Detail:-->
21:23 edveal $("#holdings table[id*='holdingst']").find("tbody td:eq(0),thead th:eq(0)").hide();
21:23 rangi id put an id on it in the template nad hide it that way
21:23 rangi id's on everything i say
21:23 cait heh
21:24 cait hm
21:24 cait I wonder
21:24 edveal Don't want to mess with the template. To many issues down the road.
21:24 rangi no
21:24 edveal no?
21:24 wahanui i guess no is failing unit tests
21:24 rangi you should definitely mess with the templates
21:24 rangi just do it in a way that you can send a patch for
21:24 rangi so that everyone gets the benefit of it
21:25 rangi template changes are fine
21:25 edveal Ah ok... I get you there...
21:25 rangi local changes only = bad
21:25 rangi :)
21:25 edveal Thanks, rangi I do agree that might be the best way.
21:26 rangi no worries
21:26 rangi and now, time to make coffee before staff meeting
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21:33 * chris_n gets his new superloader 3 up and running...
21:33 chris_n now we can have backups again :-P
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21:34 * chris_n sniffs in the direction of rangi's coffee
21:35 cait hi chris_n
21:35 cait :)
21:35 chris_n hey cait
21:36 * chris_n 's schedule looks set to slow down a bit after another week or so
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21:37 cait cool :)
21:37 cait guten abend adnc
21:38 adnc guten nabend
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21:54 jcamins_away cait: you're up late!
21:54 cait oh, now we are at this point again?
21:54 cait ;)
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22:23 trea hey, where are uploaded userphotos in koha stored?
22:24 * wizzyrea takes a guess at patronimage
22:26 trea that seems too obv
22:26 trea :P
22:26 wizzyrea hehe :)
22:26 trea it must be a trick
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22:47 edveal Trying to modify the notice message on the OPAC when a user logs in and their privileges expire soon. Any hints and guidance before I start messing around.
22:47 wizzyrea I don't have any particular advice there.
22:48 wizzyrea (except, see if there's anything like it in the library, and if not, add it :P)
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22:48 edveal My concern is how it will act because it is pulling the date form somewhere and I don't want to break that.
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22:48 edveal I looked in the lib first.. didn't see anything.
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22:59 Judit morning
22:59 wizzyrea hi judit :)
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