IRC log for #koha, 2011-12-14

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02:22	rangi	ssshhhh
02:22	ibeardslee	no
02:22	rangi	heh
02:26	ibeardslee	I don't know what it is about today, but it seems so much like a nothing day
02:26	eythian	I'm sure I can find something you can do
02:27	rangi	i think its the slide to christmas, lots of ppl starting to wind down
02:27	jcamins	ibeardslee: wanna sign off on bug 1633?
02:27	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
02:27	rangi	heh
02:28	jcamins	Make the Norwegian Naval Academy and Sikh National Archives very happy. :)
02:28	ibeardslee	Oh I have plenty to do
02:28	* jcamins	is trying to help you procrastinate.
02:29	rangi	is it just the last one that still requires signoff?
02:30	jcamins	rangi: I think they all do.
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02:30	rangi	ahh right
02:30	rangi	no promises but ill try tonight if no one beats me
02:30	jcamins	I signed off on kmkale's code, he signed off on mine, and then I signed off on oleonard's code, but it's still a bit of a closed sign-off situation.
02:30	jcamins	Awesome!
02:30	jcamins	rangi++
02:32	rangi	hmm all our atomicupdate scripts should have a license header/copyright .. but that can be another patch
02:32	* rangi	is doing a quick visual
02:36	jcamins	I just copied another script.
02:36	rangi	nod yeah not your issue, i just noticed it
02:36	rangi	they probably all dont have them
02:37	jcamins	This fudge is rather like rock candy when it comes to slicing.
02:40	rangi	one thing i note
02:40	rangi	the file is uploaded to a temp area
02:41	rangi	then potentially either put into the db, or unzipped and put in the db
02:41	rangi	but we don't clean up the file after?
02:43	jcamins	rangi: it's automatically deleted.
02:43	jcamins	I don't understand how come it's not deleted in the middle of the process, actually.
02:43	rangi	hmm what deletes it?
02:43	jcamins	I don't know.
02:44	* jcamins	was using the UploadedFile code from gmcharlt, which contains a note saying "files uploaded are not persistent. Do not use if you want persistency."
02:44	rangi	yup
02:44	eythian	if it's using File::Temp it deletes things on script exit
02:44	jcamins	eythian: yeah, that's what it does.
02:45	jcamins	And that explains why I could never catch the file when I was trying to debug.
02:45	* jcamins	goes to eat dinner and talk with his wife.
02:45	jcamins	Leave any further comments with huginn for me to deal with in the morning.
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02:46	eythian	later
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03:24	AmitG	heya bag, rangi
03:24	bag	Yo AmitG
03:24	rangi	hi AmitG
03:24	bag	how's india?
03:25	bag	@wunder reno, nv
03:25	huginn`	bag: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:25	bag	oh noes!!!!!
03:25	bag	@wunder SBA
03:25	huginn`	bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 12.0ï¿½C (6:53 PM PST on December 13, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 6.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
03:25	bag	@wunder Reno, NV
03:26	huginn`	bag: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:26	AmitG	@wunder Bangalore
03:26	huginn`	AmitG: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 17.0ï¿½C (5:30 AM IST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 16.0ï¿½C.
03:26	eythian	@wunder wellington, nz
03:26	huginn`	eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0ï¿½C (4:00 PM NZDT on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
03:26	bag	HA - I guess Reno isn't liked by huginn`
03:26	AmitG	heya Robin
03:26	eythian	huh. It's hotter here than in India.
03:26	bag	heya eythian
03:26	wahanui	eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
03:26	AmitG	@wunder New Dehi
03:26	eythian	hello
03:26	huginn`	AmitG: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 13.0ï¿½C (9:11 PM CST on December 13, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 13.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
03:26	AmitG	@wunder New Delhi
03:26	huginn`	AmitG: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 8.0ï¿½C (8:30 AM IST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Shallow Fog. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 7.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
03:26	AmitG	@wunder Dehradun
03:26	huginn`	AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 9.0ï¿½C (2:30 AM IST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 7.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa.
03:26	bag	@wunder 00001
03:27	huginn`	bag: Error: No such location could be found.
03:27	AmitG	heya mtj
03:27	AmitG	bag: what is 00001
03:27	bag	don't know
03:27	bag	@wunder 99705
03:27	huginn`	bag: The current temperature in Repp and Pool St, North Pole, Alaska is -7.0ï¿½C (6:22 PM AKST on December 13, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -8.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -7.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Steady).
03:27	bag	I was hoping the 00001 was the north pole
03:27	AmitG	@wunder Shimla
03:27	huginn`	AmitG: The current temperature in Shimla, India is 11.0ï¿½C (11:30 PM IST on November 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 1.0ï¿½C. Pressure: (Falling).
03:28	AmitG	@wunder Srinagar
03:28	huginn`	AmitG: The current temperature in Srinagar, India is -1.0ï¿½C (2:30 AM IST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -2.0ï¿½C.
03:28	bag	that's cold
03:28	AmitG	hmm
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03:29	kmkale	Namaskaar #koha
03:29	bag	hi there kmkale
03:29	AmitG	heya kmkale: Namaste
03:29	kmkale	Namaste bag and AmitG :)
03:29	eythian	hello kmkale
03:30	bag	@wunder Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station
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03:30	huginn`	bag: The current temperature in Amundsen-Scott, Antarctica is -32.0ï¿½C (1:50 PM NZDT on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow Grains. Humidity: N/A%. Windchill: -40.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 28.30 in 958 hPa (Steady).
03:30	kmkale	Namaste Sir Robin :)
03:30	bag	That's the coldest
03:30	AmitG	hmm -32
03:30	kmkale	yikes!!
03:30	eythian	I guess it's warming up for summer
03:30	bag	hey AmitG - I'd like you to meet talljoy (she's another ByWater person)
03:30	talljoy	hey!
03:31	bag	talljoy: meet AmitG
03:31	talljoy	hello AmitG
03:31	bag	I've been chatting with AmitG on #koha for about 4 years now
03:31	bag	just meet him in India when we were there
03:31	bag	AmitG = good people :)
03:32	AmitG	heya talljoy
03:32	AmitG	thanks bag :D
03:33	mtj	heya peeps
03:33	bag	mtj?
03:33	wahanui	DeM KraZy NutZ!!
03:34	bag	I love that
03:34	kmkale	hi mtj and talljoy :)
03:34	mtj	waves to AmitG talljoy and BG
03:34	bag	that's the best one there is - let it be known!
03:34	talljoy	o/
03:34	kmkale	thats the best one from wahanui yet :-D
03:34	AmitG	heya mtj
03:34	mtj	-=ZanG=-
03:34	bag	I don't know what -=ZanG=- is
03:34	bag	should I google it ;)
03:35	* mtj	waves to kmkale too :)
03:36	mtj	its the sound of magicialness
03:36	bag	so if there was anything in koha right now - that you could delete or blow up - what would it be?
03:36	AmitG	mtj: ZanG is chines word ?
03:37	mtj	bag: easy... circ.pl or Circ.pm
03:37	bag	awesome
03:37	bag	I'd start with Search.pm :)
03:37	mtj	... and Search.pm , searchresults.pl
03:37	bag	agreed
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03:42	kmkale	yikes!! my net connection is playing up since yesterday :(
03:42	mtj	ps: there is no real meaning for 'zang' :)
04:02	kmkale	dpavlin: around?
04:07	eythian	it'd be pretty early where he is, doubt he's up yet
04:20	kmkale	hopefully he will read the logs when he wakes up and ping me ;)
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05:09	Oak	kia ora #koha
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05:18	Oak	@wunder islamabad
05:18	huginn`	Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 10.0ï¿½C (10:00 AM PKT on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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05:28	cait	hi #koha
05:29	Oak	hello miss cait
05:29	Oak	long time
05:29	Oak	you seemed busy yesterday.
05:29	Oak	i mean just saying.
05:29	cait	hi Oak :)
05:30	Oak	:)
05:30	cait	yeah, had a long meeting
05:30	Oak	long meetings are the best
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05:30	Oak	depends on who you are meeting though :)
05:30	Oak	nah. silly joke.
05:30	Oak	anyway.
05:31	Oak	brush your teeth. wash your face. why do you turn on you laptop first thing?
05:32	cait	lol
05:33	Oak	:)
05:56	cait	@later tell sekjal: could you take a look at 7113? more improvements to acq are being made and it changes a lot of files
05:56	huginn`	cait: The operation succeeded.
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06:25	AmitG	heya cait
06:25	cait	morning AmitG :)
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07:17	magnuse	kia ora #koha
07:17	cait	hi magnuse :)
07:18	magnuse	hiya cait
07:19	rangi	hey magnuse
07:19	wahanui	magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:19	magnuse	well, wahanui, i havn't actually eaten pizza since the last time you said that...
07:20	magnuse	and hiya rangi
07:22	magnuse	83 bugs need signoff - yay!
07:22	cait	:)
07:22	cait	you can jump in :)
07:22	magnuse	ooh, thanks ;-)
07:22	rangi	https://twitter.com/#!/Boss_Tw[…]46823858597527552
07:22	rangi	my fave tweet ofthe day
07:23	magnuse	i gotta get as many hours on the libhist project before xmas - but i will try and have some fun after xmas, and 2012 looks to be much more relaxed...
07:23	magnuse	rangi: yay! ;-)
07:24	cait	magnuse: yay :)
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07:34	alex_a	morning koha
07:36	cait	morning alex_a
07:38	Oak	Bonjour alex_a
07:38	alex_a	hi cait Oak
07:39	magnuse	gah, what does "Seasonal only" mean? only at xmas?
07:42	rangi	could be any season
07:42	rangi	whats the context?
07:42	magnuse	ah, ok
07:43	rangi	often fruit is seasonal on a menu
07:43	magnuse	%s Number only %s %s Volume, Number, Issue %s %s Volume, Number %s %s Volume, Issue %s %s Number, Issue %s %s Year/Number %s %s Seasonal only %s %s None of the above %s
07:43	rangi	ahhh
07:43	magnuse	numbering patterns
07:43	rangi	in that case
07:43	rangi	it could be
07:43	rangi	4 per year
07:44	rangi	autumn, winter, spring, summer editions
07:44	magnuse	yeah, that makes sense, i guess
07:44	magnuse	and that's sort of how i translated it
07:44	magnuse	thanks!
07:44	rangi	:)
07:44	* magnuse	should not attempt translation before breakfast
07:45	rangi	i wonder how it works with hemipsheres :)
07:45	magnuse	hehe
07:45	rangi	probably badly
07:45	rangi	:)
07:45	magnuse	yeah!
07:46	magnuse	"ok, we're gonna issue this 4 times a year, so let's name the issues after the seasons. but let's not forget we need a separate edition for the other hemisphere"
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07:46	rangi	:)
07:47	reiveune	hello
07:47	wahanui	bonjour, reiveune
07:48	cait	bonjour reiveune :)
07:48	magnuse	bonjour reiveune
07:48	reiveune	bonjour reiveune
07:48	reiveune	oups
07:49	magnuse	lol
07:49	reiveune	Hi everybody :-D
07:49	cait	heh
07:49	cait	it's still early
07:49	cait	bbiab
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07:54	magnuse	"woo hoo" got the 3.6 staff translation up to Words Translated: 11906/60932 - 20% Strings Translated: 3138/10479 - 30% :-/
07:54	rangi	heh
07:54	rangi	theres a lot eh
07:54	magnuse	there sure is
07:55	magnuse	heh, someone from nz visited my website 'cause they were doing a search in google for links to https://library.plantandfood.co.nz ;-)
07:55	rangi	oh that was me
07:56	magnuse	lol
07:56	* magnuse	suspected that ;-)
07:56	magnuse	piwik is pretty cool!
07:59	rangi	yup
08:02	huginn`	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7355] Note subfields are not displayed in TEXTAREA if hidden <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7355>
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08:07	asaurat	hi!
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08:11	julian_m	hi
08:11	wahanui	salut, julian_m
08:11	sophie_m	hello
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08:16	mbalmer	morning
08:17	magnuse	bonjour
08:17	wahanui	hello, magnuse
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08:22	kf	hi again #koha
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08:25	francharb	morning
08:25	kf	hi francharb
08:25	kf	I updated the late orders bug with the suggestion to use <order>
08:25	kf	would this be ok for you?
08:26	francharb	kf, yes
08:26	kf	cool :)
08:26	kf	could you update the bug?
08:26	kf	bug 5347
08:26	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management
08:28	hdl1	hi
08:28	wahanui	hi, hdl1
08:28	mbalmer	so I've created a branch 'typo' locally to fix typos, I git commit -a to that branch and create a diff against the master branch using 'git diff master', right? And the next step is to send the patch to koha-patcheskoha-community.org ?
08:28	mbalmer	or what is the correct process to get diffs out?
08:29	magnuse	mbalmer: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rest_of_the_world
08:30	magnuse	and we tend to call them patches, not diffs ;-)
08:30	kf	mbalmer: git format-patch origin will work
08:30	kf	never use git diff
08:30	kf	hm
08:30	kf	I mean I neaver used git diff
08:30	kf	for that
08:30	mbalmer	Koha is literally FULL of typos ;)
08:30	mbalmer	FIxing that will reading the code ;)
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08:32	kf	I only use git diff to check what I have done, see the changes, before I commit
08:36	kmkale	@weather Thane
08:37	huginn`	kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0ï¿½C (1:40 PM IST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
08:37	kmkale	hi kf
08:37	kf	hi kmkale :)
08:37	kf	@wunder Konstanz
08:37	huginn`	kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.1ï¿½C (9:34 AM CET on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 5.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 6.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady).
08:37	kmkale	brrr
08:37	asaurat	@wunder Berlin
08:37	huginn`	asaurat: Error: No such location could be found.
08:38	magnuse	@wunder boo
08:38	huginn`	magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0ï¿½C (9:20 AM CET on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -3.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 1.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 28.71 in 972 hPa (Falling).
08:38	magnuse	asaurat: try the nearest airport ;-)
08:38	asaurat	hmm
08:38	asaurat	@wunder Postdam
08:38	huginn`	asaurat: Error: No such location could be found.
08:39	asaurat	no
08:39	asaurat	@wunder Potsdam
08:39	huginn`	asaurat: Error: No such location could be found.
08:39	asaurat	arf
08:39	kf	@wunder Potsdam, germany
08:39	huginn`	kf: Error: No such location could be found.
08:39	kf	hm
08:39	asaurat	@wunder Merkel
08:39	huginn`	asaurat: The current temperature in Abilene Dyess, Texas is 18.0ï¿½C (1:55 AM CST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 18.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
08:39	asaurat	:D
08:39	kf	lol
08:39	kf	@wunder SXF
08:39	huginn`	kf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 6.0ï¿½C (9:20 AM CET on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 3.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 2.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
08:39	magnuse	@wunder ber
08:39	asaurat	Merkel is Mostly Cloudy ? =)
08:40	huginn`	magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:40	asaurat	ah thx kf!
08:40	magnuse	@wunder sfx
08:40	huginn`	magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:40	magnuse	gah
08:41	asaurat	it's not so cold in Berlin right now, keine Schnee dann!
08:41	kf	Ich denke nicht, wir haben auch 'nur' regen
08:42	magnuse	snow is starting to melt up here too now - and we only have 1cm
08:46	huginn`	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7349] Sorting patron search result by cardnumber doesn't work <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7349>
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08:49	mbalmer	it's amazing to see how many typos propagated obviously by copy and pasting code...
08:55	kmkale	hi paul_p mbalmer magnuse asaurat :)
08:55	paul_p	hello #koha
08:55	mbalmer	can I mail my patches as attachments? My devbox is not set up send out emails, so git email won't work.
08:57	kf	hi paul_p
08:59	kmkale	I am trying to rebase my branch for bug 6843 and I am getting "CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl"
08:59	mbalmer	ok, sent four patches, let's see.
08:59	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date not from current date
08:59	kmkale	so how do I go about resolving this?
09:00	kf	kmkale: check the file it points out
09:00	kf	there will be markers like >>>
09:00	kf	resolve teh conflict, delete the markers
09:00	kf	do a git add <file>
09:00	kf	and git rebase --continue
09:01	kmkale	kf++
09:02	magnuse	kf++ yeah!
09:02	kf	mbalmer: it would be good if you coud resend with a bug number
09:02	kf	mbalmer: like this the patches can not be tracked by rm and rmaint
09:02	kf	a general bug for fixing typos will do
09:03	kf	and the bug number in the subject line / first line for your patches
09:03	mbalmer	oh, I did not open a bug for that. so, yes I can do that.
09:03	mbalmer	should I attach the patches to that bug, with needs-signoff?
09:04	kmkale	the file has ===== and >>>> markers around the section I added for "$DBversion = "3.06.00.XXX";" how should I resolve this?
09:04	paul_p	kf = do you know git bz ? That's a wonderfull tool
09:04	magnuse	mbalmer: yes please
09:04	paul_p	oups, sorry, not kf...
09:04	mbalmer	ok, doing that right now. I will not resent the patches to the mailing list then, ok?
09:04	kf	:)
09:04	paul_p	mbalmer, = do you know git bz ? That's a wonderfull tool
09:04	kf	mbalmer: open a bug, attach the patches, and paul_p is right about git bz
09:04	mbalmer	I have NO IDEA about git bz, what does it do?
09:05	magnuse	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration
09:05	kf	it adds some commands for interaction between git and bugzilla
09:05	paul_p	mbalmer, today will be a good day for you now :-)
09:05	kmkale	magnuse is the fastest gun in #koha
09:05	kf	providing a way to attach patches and apply, obsolete attachements
09:05	paul_p	git_bz++
09:05	mbalmer	ok, will study that later
09:05	kf	kmkale: resolve in a way that the code looks right again :)
09:06	mbalmer	but I use different machines to create patches and to work on bugzilla
09:06	kf	kmkale: it normally shows a code block from master and the one you did and you have to figure out what to keep and if it still will work
09:06	kf	kmkale: and make sure you delete all the markers
09:06	kf	mbalmer: check the wiki - there is a way to add your login to the git bz configuration
09:06	kf	so you don't need the cookie
09:07	mbalmer	ok
09:07	kmkale	kf its the updatedatabase.pl file so should I just copy over my addition for $DBversion = "3.06.00.XXX"; after overwriting the file? Also should I be using automic update for this?
09:07	mbalmer	mm, there is no appropriate Component
09:09	kf	you could use plumbing perhaps
09:09	kf	or documentation
09:09	wahanui	documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
09:09	kf	Developer documentatio
09:10	kf	kmkale: I think that's a question for paul_p :)
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09:11	mbalmer	PR is 7356
09:12	kf	bug 7356
09:12	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7356 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , FIx various typos and mis-spellings
09:12	kf	you can use git rebase -i <firstcommit> to add the bug number to all commits if you have them on one branch
09:13	kf	change pick to e, then git commit --amend, git rebase --continue until you are done
09:13	wahanui	kf: that doesn't look right
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09:16	kf	hi sophie_m
09:16	mbalmer	I hope the patches are useful as they are now.
09:16	mbalmer	need to read the docs about what git rebase exactly does, though
09:17	sophie_m	hi kf
09:20	kmkale	kf thanks. I discarded the file since it was only updatedatabase.pl.
09:20	kmkale	But now I have a real git question. On this branch how do I doscard my last two commits?
09:20	kmkale	*discard
09:22	kf	hm
09:22	kf	not sure that's the best way to do it
09:22	kf	but you could do
09:22	kf	git reset --soft HEAD^^
09:23	kf	with --soft your changes are kept
09:23	* Oak	goes to take a cold shower
09:23	kf	?
09:23	kf	brrr
09:23	Oak	:) brrrr indeed
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09:57	kmkale	if my patch makes changes to the database should I include it atomicupdates folder as a script? How does this atomicupdate script work during install or upgrade?
09:59	kf	kmkale: I am not sure - the updatedatabase question seems a bit unresolved right now
09:59	kf	not sure what's needed
09:59	kmkale	me too :(
09:59	kmkale	I have read that email discussion with increasing feeling of being lost
10:00	kf	bug 7167
10:00	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements
10:00	kf	paul_p: around?
10:00	paul_p	kf, yep
10:01	kmkale	paul_p: if my patch makes changes to the database should I include it atomicupdates folder as a script? How does this atomicupdate script work during install or upgrade?
10:01	paul_p	kmkale & kf, I really hope the 7167 will be resolved quickly. It just need being QAed by someone.
10:01	paul_p	(and not Jonathan, as he wrote 60% of the patch)
10:02	kf	paul_p: that makes sense
10:02	kmkale	paul_p: in the interim should I change the updatedatabase.pl with the usual XXX addition?
10:02	kf	I like the last changes you did
10:02	paul_p	So I would say = let's go for atomicupdate. And once the 7167 is pushed, it's trivial to have the new system using it
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10:03	kmkale	paul_p: also should I include a script in the atomicupdate folder? Should I do both?
10:03	paul_p	kmkale, include a script in atomicupdate.
10:03	kmkale	paul_p: no changes to updatedatabase.pl then?
10:03	paul_p	once 7167 is pushed, I'll just have to rename et move the script to have it applied. Very easy and no risk
10:03	paul_p	kmkale, yep
10:03	paul_p	kmkale, yep, no changes to updatedatabase.pl
10:04	kmkale	ok paul_p
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10:13	huginn`	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6843] Renew membership from expiry date or from current date <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843>
10:37	kmkale	paul_p: I have just added a rebased patch to bug 6843. Could you please just take a look and let me know if the database change related stuff I have done is ok?
10:37	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
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10:49	kmkale	paul_p: did you get my above message?
10:52	kmkale	@roulette
10:52	huginn`	kmkale: click
10:52	paul_p	kmkale, nope, I missed it. Seen now. Will check this afternoon (now, working for a customer)
10:53	kmkale	paul_p: Thanks :)
10:53	kmkale	@roulette spin
10:53	huginn`	SPIN Are you feeling lucky?
10:53	kmkale	@roulette spin
10:53	huginn`	SPIN Are you feeling lucky?
10:53	kmkale	@roulette
10:53	huginn`	kmkale: click
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12:25	jcamins_away	paul_p: around?
12:25	paul_p	jcamins_away, yep (back from lunch)
12:26	jcamins_away	paul_p: does bug 7167 still need sign-off? It looks to me like it's just waiting for QA?
12:26	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements
12:27	paul_p	jcamins_away, yep
12:27	paul_p	jcamins_away, and I sent a mail to sekjal & marcel to ask for QA
12:27	jcamins_away	Okay, good.
12:28	* jcamins_away	is looking forward to it being pushed so that bug 1633 can be pushed.
12:28	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
12:28	paul_p	(sekjal told me yesterday on IRC that he had a busy week dedicated to customer. I feel the QA won't be made this week :( )
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12:41	chris_n	did someone say lunch?
12:45	paul_p	yes me ;-)
12:45	paul_p	hi chris_n, good morning
12:45	* jcamins_away	is wrapping fudge.
12:45	jcamins_away	Again.
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12:48	chris_n	heya paul_p
12:49	chris_n	and jacamins_away
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13:13	oleonard	Whassup #koha?
13:14	hdl1	...
13:15	paul_p	hello oleonard
13:15	paul_p	oleonard, seen your follow-up for floating button, will push it today)
13:15	oleonard	Thanks for catching that issue
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13:28	kf	jcamins_away: fudge for cutomers?
13:31	paul_p	oleonard, I was lucky : I saw it just because I wanted to reach acquisition module after changing branch, and ... the page was displaying the problem. If I had wanted to go to patron or circ, I wouldn't have seen it !
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13:34	kf	paul_p: more eyes find more things :)
13:35	paul_p	kf, yep
13:35	paul_p	(and, -sorry to repeat- merging soon means more eyes and time for testing)
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13:39	kf	paul_p: I think a fast qa/testing cycle is good
13:39	kf	but not persuaded it leads to more testing once things are in
13:40	kf	we are nto good at general koha testing
13:40	paul_p	nto ?
13:40	paul_p	not
13:40	paul_p	gotcha.
13:40	paul_p	what do you mean by "not good" ?
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13:44	kf	we don't test once thigns are in
13:44	kf	people are interested to get new features, bug fixes, so they test _to_ get them into koha
13:44	kf	once things are in, we are not good at testing
13:44	kf	and even teh before part needs more eyes and hands
13:55	paul_p	(that's one of the reasons why I'd like to have sandboxes, but couldn't find time to setup them until now :( )
13:55	paul_p	do you think that I should add something about that in my monthly newsletter ? something like : "last month, the following scripts have been updated : ...."
13:56	paul_p	with such a list, that could be easier to test if you're not following what has been merged everyday
13:56	paul_p	(kf: ping. read previous lines)
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13:58	kf	paul_p: not sure, a lit of bugs perhaps
13:58	kf	paul_p: I really don't have a lot of ideas of how to encourage people :(
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13:59	paul_p	kf, mmm... both would be needed : "script xxx.pl has been updated by patch of bug NNNN"
13:59	kf	paul_p: I only have the feeling that we need more hands/eyes/people testing in general. But not sure how to make it easier. There are already demo installations running from master, but people don't test there.
14:00	paul_p	with one or two sandbox (I could set much easier than automated sandbox for each bug), that should be a good plan... will think of it...
14:00	kf	paul_p: someone was suggesting a new script for huginn, but perhaps could be a mail too
14:00	kf	mail a random bug that has not been touched in a long time
14:00	kf	like a "bug of the day"
14:00	kf	perhaps stupid, but could also generate some comments/actions
14:01	paul_p	kf, I have sent last week a mail about some (5) bugs that have an old patch ... I had no visible/readable feedback
14:01	kf	and I think the call for test data got some response, so perhaps a call for testing a specific module for feature from time to time on the mailing list could work too
14:01	kf	paul_p: I have seen them :(
14:01	kf	will try to comment, but some thigns are really hard to figure out / test
14:02	paul_p	kf, A few patches waiting for your signature...
14:02	kf	I have a big backlog in testing things... I do at least 1 hour each day. but that's not nearly enough
14:02	kf	and work is crazy right now
14:02	kf	I want to concentrate more on I18N/acq issues
14:02	kf	but time is really a problem :(
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14:09	kf	paul_p: can you point me to your mail?
14:15	kf	@wunder Konstanz
14:15	huginn`	kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0ï¿½C (3:00 PM CET on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 5.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
14:16	oleonard	jcamins_away: Really away?
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14:22	pastebot	"oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "ListImagesForBiblio" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/151
14:23	oleonard	why is the array size returned by that subroutine 1 when there are zero images?
14:24	kf	oleonard: I assume he is back to wrapping fudge :)
14:29	magnuse	oleonard: is there anything in the array?
14:30	oleonard	If I use Data::Dumper to output the returned array it says "$VAR1 = undef;"
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14:32	oleonard	I'm not saying it's doing something wrong necessarily, I just don't understand why it does what it does
14:32	paul_p	kf, http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/036622.html
14:33	paul_p	(phone rang, sorry for the delay)
14:33	oleonard	I would expect to be able to use, in the template "[% IF ( images.size > 0 ) %]" to conditionally output information
14:33	oleonard	Instead I must say [% IF ( images.size > 1 ) %]
14:33	magnuse	oleonard: could the return statement result in just one array bing returned? return @imagenumbers, $sth->errstr;
14:33	kf	paul_p: np
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14:37	chris_n	oleonard: what magnuse said
14:37	oleonard	sorry, I don't understand
14:38	chris_n	returning the db error string probably always results in return array size of at least one
14:38	magnuse	my gut feeling was that @imagenumbers $sth->errstr might be seen as just one array by the calling code
14:39	chris_n	its really not good practice to do it that way
14:39	chris_n	ie "The errstr() method should not be used to test for errors, use err() for that, because drivers may return 'success with information' or warning messages via errstr() for methods that have not 'failed'."
14:39	magnuse	and the calling code treats the error string as a an imagenumber:
14:39	magnuse	+ foreach (ListImagesForBiblio($biblionumber)) {
14:39	magnuse	+ DelImage($_);
14:39	magnuse	+ }
14:39	chris_n	the routine should check for db errors internally and only return if there are actual erros
14:39	chris_n	errors, even
14:40	chris_n	magnuse: right on the return value being one array
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14:41	chris_n	where's that code at?
14:42	magnuse	chris_n: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=6755
14:43	* chris_n	notes that this patch adds a what appears to be unrelated line to Makefile.PL
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14:46	chris_n	yeah, that sub needs to be changed to return a null value if there is a db error
14:46	libsysguy	so random question...we have global bug squishing day....what about refactoring?
14:46	chris_n	it already logs it
14:47	chris_n	ie. if ($sth->errstr) { log error; return;}
14:47	chris_n	and then let the caller handle it
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14:53	magnuse	chris_n: can you add that as a comment on bug 1633?
14:53	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
14:54	magnuse	libsysguy: feel free to initiate a GRD ;-)
14:54	oleonard	GRD doesn't sound as suitable to a day of everyone pitching in here and there.
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14:58	kf	perhaps we should have 'action days'
14:58	chris_n	really
14:58	kf	where we set a goal
14:58	kf	and you can earn a badge or something :P
14:58	chris_n	refactoring is a huge project which affects many areas of the app
14:58	kf	some of the templates need refactoring... that's for sure
14:59	kf	we can do things much nicer now with tt
14:59	chris_n	magnuse: I pasted the lines from irc to the bug; does it seem enough?
15:00	* chris_n	would not pass it on QA with the change to Makefile.PL if it were up to him
15:01	magnuse	chris_n: great!
15:01	magnuse	yeah, taking full advantage of tt sounds like a good project
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15:08	kf	magnuse: and a bit one, but we coudl start with memberentry perhaps...
15:08	kf	that has some serious issues for translation too
15:09	jcamins	chris_n: without the change to Makefile.PL, installation fails spectacularly.
15:09	magnuse	kf: sounds like a plan (for 2012)
15:10	kf	yeah
15:10	jcamins	chris_n: that is, installation of Koha fails spectacularly.
15:11	chris_n	jcamins: is it related to the work in the rest of the patch or a separate problem?
15:11	jcamins	chris_n: related to the patch.
15:11	jcamins	chris_n: Koha/Images.pm won't be installed without it.
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15:12	chris_n	I see, so it adds a new directory then
15:12	jcamins	Right.
15:13	magnuse	so this will be the first patch to actually create files in the Koha namespace/directory?
15:14	chris_n	why not in C4?
15:14	jcamins	magnuse: yes, everything else is held up in QA. ;)
15:14	* chris_n	is concerned about getting outside of the C4 namespace
15:14	magnuse	i think there is a lon term plan to migrate code from C4:: to Koha::
15:14	magnuse	*long
15:15	jcamins	Yep.
15:15	magnuse	making sure anything that goes into Koha:: is top notch
15:15	chris_n	it would probably be a good idea to discuss this on the list a bit then
15:15	jcamins	The idea is that by switching to Koha::, we will gradually get rid of the memory leaks.
15:15	magnuse	and in compliance with all our wishes for the future
15:15	chris_n	it represents a fairly major change
15:15	jcamins	chris_n: it was discussed a while ago.
15:15	chris_n	or maybe I missed the discussion?
15:16	jcamins	I don't remember when. Long enough ago that I knew I was breaking the rules when I used C4 for my easy cataloging interface.
15:16	chris_n	at any rate, the addition of the Koha:: namespace should be done in a separate patch with appropriate comments imho
15:17	* chris_n	does not recall any "rules" being made regarding the C4 namespace
15:17	jcamins	chris_n: I had understood there to be rules, anyway.
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15:26	magnuse	chris_n: i think this is the message where sekjal proposes the Koha namespace: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]March/035302.html
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15:27	* jcamins	will take the easy road.
15:27	chris_n	I remember that discussion now, but that by no means constitutes any rule or change
15:27	jcamins	I'm moving the module to C4.
15:28	* chris_n	is not opposing the change in principle, just in practice at this time :-)
15:28	jcamins	Fair enough.
15:28	chris_n	C4 does need to be safely detonated
15:28	kf	it will not get detonated
15:28	magnuse	hehe
15:28	kf	oh
15:28	* kf	should read all conversation
15:28	chris_n	kf: C4 is a high explosive :-)
15:29	kf	yeah I get it now :)
15:29	magnuse	and (at least) twice as good as C2
15:29	kf	meant that it will be replaced piece by piece, not all at one time
15:29	kf	so no detonation really
15:29	magnuse	yeah, more like we have to de-fuse it or something
15:29	chris_n	yeah, the shrapnel from such an event would be too destructive to the rest of the code base :)
15:31	magnuse	tee hee
15:36	jcamins	How do I return NULL in Perl?
15:37	chris_n	just "return"
15:37	jcamins	chris_n: okay, cool.
15:37	hdl1	jcamins: return undef;
15:38	chris_n	^^
15:38	hdl1	TMTOWTDI
15:38	wahanui	well, TMTOWTDI is there's more than one way to do it
15:38	jcamins	hdl1: Thanks.
15:39	hdl1	(jcamins, in fact, it undef is translated as NULL when using DBI INSERT or UPDATE This can be useful.)
15:40	paul_p	about the switch from C4 to Koha, I don't think we've decided anything "for action".
15:40	kf	hmpf. Holdings Note: ; ; ; .
15:40	kf	paul_p: perhaps something for the next meeting?
15:40	paul_p	kf++
15:40	kf	I think some people have started working ont his, but no decision about requirements and such were made
15:41	paul_p	(well, except next meeting is 4AM for me, which is -- !)
15:41	kf	oh
15:41	kf	did we get it wrong again?
15:41	paul_p	or is it me ?
15:41	kf	thought 2 good in a row and I fee like we had 4am before that
15:42	* chris_n	is opening a bug for it now and putting on the Jan 4 agenda
15:42	kf	I think 4 am really doesn't make much sense
15:42	magnuse	4 January 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0
15:42	paul_p	oops, sorry , I'm wrong
15:42	magnuse	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_4_January_2012
15:42	chris_n	I suspect that it will need a month or two of discussion
15:42	paul_p	chris_n, I suspect that will need some POC !
15:42	kf	chris_n++
15:42	kf	POC?
15:42	paul_p	(and will be for 4.0)
15:42	paul_p	kf, Proof Of Concept
15:42	kf	not sure we have to wait that long
15:43	kf	if we do it step by step as was suggested
15:43	magnuse	POC?
15:43	kf	adding new functionality not to C4 but to Koha isntead
15:43	magnuse	POC is Proof Of Concept
15:43	magnuse	POC?
15:43	wahanui	i heard POC was Proof Of Concept
15:43	magnuse	yay
15:43	paul_p	some sample code to see how it could be implemented. With something not really working, but showing how it will work
15:43	kf	perhaps not rewrite existing modules now, but do new things in the new namespace
15:43	kf	thx :) only didn't resolve the abbreviation
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15:44	kf	new features like the local images coudl serves as poc
15:44	kf	but go in too
15:44	magnuse	i think doing new things in the new namespace makes sense...
15:45	chris_n	also QA rules for inclusion in the new namespace
15:45	chris_n	and rules on what goes in the old one
15:45	chris_n	s/goes/goes or does not go/
15:45	kf	I think short loans does some new Koha namespace thigns too
15:46	kf	not sure though
15:46	jcamins	kf: looks like it won't be serving as POC.
15:46	jcamins	(local covers)
15:46	magnuse	i think rangi had some thoughts on what should go in Koha:: - like code there should not include/use code from C4, if memory serves me right
15:47	magnuse	bug 7359
15:47	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Begin migration to a new "Koha" namespace from the old "C4" namespace
15:48	magnuse	yay!
15:48	chris_n	ok, bug added and added item to the next agenda
15:48	magnuse	chris_n++
15:48	chris_n	feel free to comment to your heart's content
15:51	kf	jcamins: why?
15:52	jcamins	kf: 'cause I just removed it from the Koha namespace.
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15:56	oleonard	Sorry jcamins I stirred up a heap of trouble
15:56	jcamins	oleonard: no worries.
15:56	jcamins	It was just a matter of find-and-replace.
15:59	kf	ol
15:59	kf	oleonard: can you help me with some jquery perhaps?
15:59	oleonard	Sure
16:00	kf	I want to wrap the issn on the opac detai page in a link
16:00	kf	there is a webservice here for libraries that will give back a picture with the online availability
16:00	kf	but I need to construct a link with the issn and the library's identifier
16:03	kf	oleonard: I have trouble finding the right selector to get only the issn
16:03	kf	<span class="results_summary issn"><span class="label">ISSN: </span>0946-8463; 0044-2267.</span>
16:03	kf	it's in a tag with another tag, nto sure how to deal with that
16:07	reiveune	bye
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16:07	* oleonard	is pondering
16:07	jcamins	oleonard: BTW, how do you feel about fig and hazelnut?
16:07	* oleonard	is all in
16:08	kf	sounds yummy
16:08	oleonard	jcamins: At first I thought you were asking about some new web technology I was unaware of
16:08	jcamins	oleonard: nope.
16:08	jcamins	Fudge.
16:08	* jcamins	is shamelessly bribing oleonard to make the image viewer beautiful.
16:08	* oleonard	is 99% there on the staff client patch
16:09	jcamins	oleonard++
16:09	magnuse	oleonard++
16:09	jcamins	I revised the patches, so they're ready for sign-off again.
16:09	jcamins	And hopefully incorporate the changes that chris_n suggested.
16:10	jcamins	(that is, they certainly incorporate changes, but I'm not 100% sure they're what chris_n suggested)
16:11	kf	jcamins: stop distracting oleonard :)
16:11	kf	:P
16:11	huginn`	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6302] Failing to send email notices - to_address not set <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6302>
16:12	jcamins	kf: I'm not, I'm bribing him.
16:12	jcamins	Distracting would be saying "hey! Here's something not image veiwer-related!"
16:12	jcamins	:P
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16:13	kf	even worse, the bribing
16:13	* kf	is still trying to get her link working
16:18	oleonard	kf, is the ISSN displayed the same way the ISBN is?
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16:19	kf	I think so
16:19	oleonard	<span class="results_summary"><span class="label">ISBN: </span>0937769258</span> ?
16:19	kf	yes
16:19	kf	only there can be more than one... but that#s another problem
16:20	kf	perhaps one solution would be to wrap them into something
16:20	oleonard	Well, not sure about handling more than one...
16:20	kf	one is enough for now :)
16:20	pastebot	"oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Convert ISSN to link" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/152
16:20	oleonard	This worked in my Firebug console
16:20	kf	very cool thank you :)
16:20	kf	there is a class now for isbn and issn
16:20	kf	in 3.6
16:21	kf	will make it a bit easier, no contains needed
16:21	kf	works! thank you!
16:31	rangi	wow i thought that was all decided way back there was a big long thread, clean code, no dependencies on anything in C4 except C4/Context moving to Koha ... guess i dreamed the whole thing
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16:32	oleonard	Perhaps you're still dreaming rangi, it is awfully early isn't it?
16:32	rangi	yeah i fell asleep early tho
16:33	magnuse	5.30 right?
16:33	chris_n	rangi: the only thread pointed out so far is gmcharlt's suggestion
16:34	chris_n	nothing pointed up to a firm decision
16:34	kf	oleonard++
16:34	chris_n	not to mention the change should not be hidden deep in a large feature patch
16:34	gmcharlt	well, if there's no objection ...
16:34	gmcharlt	;)
16:34	kf	oleonard: now I only have to find a way to split them into single issn. hm.
16:34	chris_n	as I stated, none in principle, only in practice :-)
16:35	rangi	i disagree
16:35	rangi	it is not a major change
16:35	* chris_n	thinks if we made decisions always on the amount of responses to the list discussions we'd be in trouble
16:35	chris_n	sorry, I disagree there
16:35	rangi	thats the entire point, its a small managable way to make code cleanup
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16:35	rangi	a major change is rewriting modules in place
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16:36	chris_n	its major because it requires a new set of rules to play by if it is to do any good
16:36	rangi	no existing scripts are changed to use this module
16:36	rangi	ok whatever, i give in
16:36	rangi	talk about it for 9 more months
16:36	kf	I think doing it the way rangi said sounds good
16:36	kf	and I remembered it that way too
16:36	* rangi	advised jcamins to put it there, ill stop advising people to do that now
16:37	kf	that's why people have started to write patches using the new namespace...
16:44	kf	time to leave for me
16:44	kf	bye all
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16:45	gmcharlt	well, it's major in the sense that it will move Koha in some excellent directions
16:45	oleonard	If this change can be done incrementally what's the objection?
16:45	gmcharlt	but minor in the sense that it implicitly specifies baby-steps to take us there
16:46	gmcharlt	and I don't think it would be that hard to concisely express the rules for the Koha namespace
16:46	gmcharlt	to take a quick stab at it
16:46	gmcharlt	there would be some things that we've been (increasingly) doing anyway
16:46	gmcharlt	* use strict; use warnings;
16:46	gmcharlt	* POD
16:46	gmcharlt	* test cases
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16:47	jcamins	Whoops. Never added the test file.
16:47	jcamins	Well, that'll have to wait.
16:47	gmcharlt	the main difference, as I see it, is that code in the Koha namespace needs to not retain global or package state in ways that would interfere with the likes of mod_perl
16:47	chris_n	something regarding circular deps as well (a real problem in C4)
16:48	gmcharlt	chris_n: yeah, that too
16:49	* jcamins	supposes he has to rewrite all the tests anyway.
16:49	jcamins	Just as well I never added the file.
16:50	rangi	yeah the no uncleared globals is the key
16:51	chris_n	minimum exports as well
16:51	rangi	id lean to OO where it makes sense, minimum default exports where it doesnt
16:51	chris_n	OO++
16:52	rangi	5549 and 7248
16:52	wahanui	12797
16:52	rangi	heh
16:52	chris_n	lol
16:52	jcamins	Bug 7248
16:52	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7248 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Caching for services
16:52	gmcharlt	hmm
16:52	rangi	are gonna need to be looked it with that in mind
16:52	jcamins	Ah.
16:52	gmcharlt	901 less 500
16:53	gmcharlt	...
16:53	jcamins	901 minus 500
16:53	oleonard	901 minus 500
16:53	rangi	901 minus 500
16:53	chris_n	1 or 0
16:53	rangi	heh
16:53	gmcharlt	wahanui: I guess you can only add
16:53	wahanui	gmcharlt: excuse me?
16:53	rangi	901 - 500
16:53	wahanui	401
16:53	oleonard	500 from 901?
16:53	rangi	and must be the only keyword
16:53	gmcharlt	a ha!
16:53	gmcharlt	6 times 7
16:53	wahanui	42
16:53	jcamins	42 divided by 7
16:53	wahanui	6
16:53	chris_n	5 minus 1
16:54	jcamins	5 take away 1
16:54	oleonard	If we tell wahanui to calculate pi will the channel crash?
16:54	gmcharlt	square root of -1
16:54	gmcharlt	wahanui: no imagination whatsoever
16:54	chris_n	now you've done it
16:54	wahanui	gmcharlt: sorry...
16:54	gmcharlt	you should be!
16:55	* chris_n	goes off in search of food
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16:57	jenkins_koha	Starting build 570 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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17:01	rhcl	For those that care, the local university group is off to a pretty good start on creating a FLOSS PAC system.
17:01	jcamins	Public Access Catalog?
17:01	rhcl	Public Access Computing
17:01	jcamins	Ah.
17:01	jcamins	My next guess was going to be Political Action Committee.
17:02	rhcl	Authentication, time and print controls for public computers
17:02	oleonard	Nice
17:02	rhcl	it helps that they have an excellent technical adviser
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17:05	huginn`	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7262 - No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d4da147359e5b2e43> / bug 7239 fix to avoid error being thrown even though a record is created <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]793985a5b498ab22a> / Fix for Bug 7227, "Delete all items" action should
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17:14	rangi	i wonder if anyone wants to qa the new unit tests on 5327
17:14	jcamins	bug 5327
17:14	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
17:15	rangi	they are signed off
17:15	rangi	the last one is cool because it would make our first all green module
17:16	rangi	http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ter/HTML_Report/?
17:16	rangi	C4::Boolean there
17:16	rangi	the test extends it to test the last missing condtional
17:21	paul_p	oups, too late for me to test. Will try tomorrow. bye bye ppl !
17:21	paul_p	have a good day rangi & al !
17:22	rangi	sleep well paul_p
17:22	rangi	who's this al guy? :)
17:23	paul_p	still 20 signed off patches to QA& push if they're small. I hope i'll have cleaned the queue before the end of the week, and have only "large" patches to QA !
17:24	rangi	wooot
17:24	rangi	ill try to sign off more to make that impossible!
17:24	rangi	hehe
17:24	* rangi	is a meany
17:25	rangi	but seriously, great work paul_p
17:25	oleonard	and the rest of us will try to submit more patches so that rangi can't keep up
17:25	rangi	heh
17:25	rhcl	so if I wanted to use one of these: http://www.samsung.com/global/[…]gs5/gs5_main.html for shelf reading, it seems like
17:25	huginn`	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7309 - Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]56da77708fd9a9c26> / Bug 7287 : Fix overdue notification if a branch given as parameter does not have... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]61466a1f7bf3a84c4> / Bug 7275 - Pagination lost when click in the optio
17:25	paul_p	well, i'd like to have QA team (me excluded) dedicated to QAing large patches, so I could concentrate on other things, like perf improvement & sandboxes & other things.
17:26	rhcl	I should be able to pull a shelf list out of the opac, put it into a stack, start scanning books, and just pop them off the stack as they are scanned, right?
17:26	jcamins	rhcl: I'd use a report or the inventory tool.
17:26	rangi	paul_p: yep
17:29	jcamins	oleonard: unfortunately, I think the problem was that the link resolver code wasn't so good.
17:30	jcamins	I have a vague recollection of it being Serial Solutions-only.
17:30	oleonard	That wouldn't surprise me of course
17:31	* jcamins	preferred to just use jQuery.
17:31	jcamins	Incidentally, wouldn't it be a nifty feature to optionally include the MARCXML namespaced into the opac-detail XHTML?
17:32	jcamins	Or am I just weird?
17:32	jcamins	Actually, don't answer that second question.
17:33	* oleonard	is wondering if we'll now need an "Images" tab in the left-hand sidebar menu in the staff client
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17:34	jcamins	oleonard: isn't that what the tab is for?
17:35	oleonard	Yes, but once you've clicked away from the detail page you're on a standalone images page. It feels like it needs to have its own tab on the left so that that tab can be highlighted and the user is properly oriented
17:35	jcamins	Ah, I see.
17:36	jcamins	That might make sense.
17:37	francharb	hi there
17:37	wahanui	bonjour, francharb
17:37	francharb	wahanui is welcoming today
17:37	francharb	grat
17:37	francharb	great
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17:39	chris_n	heya cait
17:39	cait	hi again #koha
17:39	Oak	oh hello miss cait.
17:40	cait	hi mr Oak :)
17:40	Oak	:)
17:44	jcamins	I have to say, the image uploading is pretty nice.
17:44	Oak	image uploading++
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17:46	oleonard	Next we need to be able to drag an image right onto the images tab and have it automatically upload :)
17:48	jcamins	oleonard: that would be very cool, and I look forward to seeing that feature.
17:48	* jcamins	would add a loaf of bread or two to his bribe for that. :)
17:48	* oleonard	doesn't think he's smart enough for that one yet
17:49	* jcamins	remembers that the SD card needs to be in the camera in order to take pictures.
17:50	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #570: SUCCESS in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/570/
17:50	jenkins_koha	* info: Bug 7143: Updating About.tt for Ian Walls, Chris Nighswonger and Paul Poulain
17:50	jenkins_koha	* info: Bug 7143: Follow up patch for Updating about.tt
17:50	jenkins_koha	* ian.walls: Bug 7160: paying fines throws error
17:50	jenkins_koha	* mtj: Bug 7164 - add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page
17:50	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Bug 7164 minor follow-up
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
17:50	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Bug 7164 follow-up history.txt and perlcritic compliance
17:50	jenkins_koha	* robin: Bug 7197 - add a Spanish readme file to the packages
17:50	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 7202 - z39.50 search on bib edit not working
17:50	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 7135 - in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen
17:50	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 7227, "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view
17:50	jenkins_koha	* chrish: bug 7239 fix to avoid error being thrown even though a record is created
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7160 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , paying fines throws error
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7164 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page
17:50	jenkins_koha	* juan.sieira: Bug 7262 - No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7197 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , ES translation of the Debian readme
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7202 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , z39.50 search on bib edit not working
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7227 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view, not the items view
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7239 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Acquisitions, add order to basket, from new, no item field filed, AcqCreateItem=ordering cause internal error
17:50	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7262 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description
17:50	jenkins_koha	Starting build 571 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:51	rangi	yay success
17:51	cait	yay :)
17:52	Oak	\o/
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17:58	rangi	paul_p++
17:58	rangi	chris_n++
18:00	chris_n	3.6.2 will have a ton of things in it
18:00	cait	which is good - lots of bug fixes :)
18:08	huginn`	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7247] rebuild_zebra.pl -v should show all Zebra log output <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7247>
18:12	jenkins_koha	Starting build 25 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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18:48	rangi	@wunder wellington nz
18:48	huginn`	rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0ï¿½C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
18:48	selva_55	Is Koha 3.6.1 helpful for a library just starting to use Koha?
18:48	jcamins	selva_55: it's the latest version, so I'd encourage you to use it, yes.
18:49	chris_n	3.6.1 is the current stable release, so I'd say yes
18:49	chris_n	<snap>
18:50	selva_55	Thanks for your reply. To run it on Windows, will I be able to download a software?
18:50	* rangi	hides
18:51	* libsysguy	also hides
18:51	jcamins	selva_55: no, Koha runs on Linux servers.
18:51	jcamins	selva_55: unfortunately, setting up a Linux server isn't really something we can help you with here.
18:52	libsysguy	selva_55: if you decide to set up a linux server you should persue debain
18:52	Oak	paul_p++
18:52	jcamins	There are companies that will do the setup, and even hosting, for you if you are interested in having someone with experience do the work for you.
18:52	Oak	chris_n++
18:52	Oak	@wunder islamabad
18:52	huginn`	Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0ï¿½C (11:00 PM PKT on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
18:52	selva_55	Owen says: Koha cannot be installed directly on Windows, but you can use software like VirtualBox to run Linux in a virtual machine on Windows.
18:53	jcamins	selva_55: that's correct.
18:53	jcamins	So you would need to set up a Linux installation.
18:53	selva_55	Is VirtualBox expensive?
18:53	libsysguy	selva_55: http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
18:53	jcamins	You can do that under VirtualBox, if you'd like.
18:53	libsysguy	virtual box is free
18:53	jcamins	selva_55: VirtualBox is free.
18:54	selva_55	Thanks indeed for that info!
18:54	jcamins	Oooooh. VKhUTEMAS published its own books. I didn't know that.
18:54	rhcl	https://www.virtualbox.org/
18:54	libsysguy	selva_55: if you are going to run koha in production I would strongly recommend a dedicated machine instead of virtualbox
18:54	rangi	vmware in production has been done before
18:54	jcamins	libsysguy: oh, yes, good job pointing that out.
18:55	jcamins	We tried VirtualBox in production once.
18:55	maximep	the stage import page had a choice of marc21/unimarc but now in 3.6 it seems to let you choose the character encodinginstead (utf8, marc8, etc). Does it guess the format ?
18:55	jcamins	It was an unqualified disaster.
18:55	jcamins	maximep: you don't get a choice.
18:55	jcamins	You never did.
18:55	jcamins	If you're using UNIMARC, it will only handle UNIMARC records.
18:55	jcamins	If MARC21, only MARC21.
18:55	jcamins	It ignored what you set in the past.
18:55	maximep	ok, good
18:55	libsysguy	selva_55: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
18:55	jcamins	Now it allows you to import records with accented characters.
18:55	selva_55	We are a small university college library.
18:56	maximep	what's the encoding when you use the default ?
18:56	jcamins	selva_55: then you definitely can't use VirtualBox.
18:56	jcamins	maximep: UTF-8.
18:56	rangi	vmware tho
18:56	libsysguy	selva_55: it doesn't take anything special to run debian...just run it instead of windows
18:56	jcamins	rangi: yeah, VMWare would work. Probably Xen, too.
18:57	selva_55	Debian?
18:57	wahanui	hmmm... Debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
18:57	maximep	so why not just select utf-8 in the choices ? :S
18:57	rangi	we have a 6 branch public running on vmware
18:57	jcamins	rangi: but under no circumstances should VirtualBox be considered for production in a college library.
18:57	rangi	nope
18:57	jcamins	maximep: well, I over-simplified.
18:57	* libsysguy	uses hyper-v
18:57	rhcl	we're running a koha test server in a VBox on debian on debian
18:57	rangi	that council virtualises all its servers tho
18:57	jcamins	Default isn't actually UTF-8. It's like UTF-8, but a bit difference.
18:57	* jcamins	never uses default.
18:57	rhcl	correction: VBox on debian on ubuntu
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18:57	cait	jcamins: that's not right
18:58	selva_55	It's very interesting to join you knowledgeable guys & gals
18:58	rangi	so it was the same as a dedicated linux both really
18:58	jcamins	rhcl: would you use that in production, though?
18:58	cait	the default encoding is not utf-8
18:58	maximep	we use KVM here hehe
18:58	cait	I am not sure what it does, but it only works for my records when I select utf-8 - everything else breaks the diacricits
18:58	rhcl	If I had too, I would, but thankfully I have enough metal to go around
18:58	jcamins	cait: hm, yes, "like UTF-8."
18:58	libsysguy	ahh diacritics
18:58	rhcl	to
18:58	* libsysguy	thinks about poor margo having to recatalog our entire collection
18:58	cait	jcamins: ?
18:59	cait	sorry, wa sreading back
18:59	rangi	maximep: yep kvm at catalyst too, used to be vservers, then xen now kvm
18:59	jcamins	cait: I don't know what it does, exactly. I was maintaining the old behavior.
18:59	maximep	why switch from xen to kvm ?
18:59	jcamins	cait: and according to the instructions, it defaults to UTF-8.
19:00	jcamins	I thought it was just me who had problems with that.
19:00	cait	yeah, but it doesn't work
19:00	cait	not sure what it does
19:00	jcamins	maximep: don't use Default.
19:00	jcamins	Ever.
19:00	cait	maximep: listen to jcamins :)
19:00	rangi	maximep: I dont know, sysadmins like it better
19:00	rangi	they have to look after it, so im happy to just go with it :)
19:01	maximep	so youre telling me what Default is always the worst choice ? haha
19:01	jcamins	selva_55: so, anyway, to sum up, you could use VirtualBox for testing, but you'll need an alternative for production.
19:01	jcamins	maximep: yes.
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19:01	cait	maximep: yep - but bonus points of you make it work :)
19:01	rhcl	VirtualBox isn in every disto's repo, so it's a snap to install. Basic features, but it does all the simple stuff reliably and it's just easy to setup and run
19:01	rangi	isn't there a patch for that?
19:01	jcamins	maximep: well, KOI8-R would be worse if you had UTF-8 records.
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19:01	selva_55	Thanks for clarifying about VBox
19:01	libsysguy	np selva_55
19:02	rhcl	I've also used VMware Server, which is fine, but it's a separate download and some extra clicky clicky
19:02	libsysguy	what university do you want to implement this for?
19:02	* libsysguy	is just curious
19:03	selva_55	We are affiliated to a univ in Italy
19:03	libsysguy	ahh ok cool
19:03	jcamins	Zeno Tajoli is based in Italy, isn't he?
19:03	rhcl	If I needed really fancy stuff, like drag-n-drop moving of virtualmachines all over geo-separated hardware, then VMware has the best tools, but at a price
19:03	rangi	have u heard of cilea?
19:04	rangi	jcamins: yes works for cilea
19:05	jcamins	rangi: just because Zeno works there.
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19:05	rangi	yeah selva_55 should maybe get in touch
19:06	jcamins	rangi: oh, that question wasn't for me.
19:06	jcamins	Never mind.
19:06	rangi	:)
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19:06	cait	rangi: nope
19:06	cait	patch... reading slowly tonight
19:06	cait	a bit distracted
19:06	rangi	ahhh
19:06	cait	I only fixed the command line script
19:06	cait	and there default is utf-8
19:07	rangi	ah ha
19:07	cait	the gui does it differently
19:07	rangi	is there a bug?
19:07	selva_55	Many thanks to the Koha people!!
19:07	rangi	I could ask duncan to look
19:07	jcamins	rangi: no, because I always thought that it was a feature.
19:07	jcamins	Just one I didn't get.
19:07	rangi	:)
19:08	jcamins	It's a one-line fix.
19:08	jcamins	Eliminate "Default" and make "UTF-8" selected by default.
19:08	jcamins	Okay, two lines.
19:08	rangi	perfect for the newb
19:08	jcamins	Ah.
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19:08	jcamins	Then, yes.
19:08	jcamins	Good plan. :)
19:08	cait	I tihnk it tries to guess
19:08	cait	but it guesses wrong
19:08	jcamins	Bonus points if he can figure out what Default is supposed to do.
19:08	cait	yep
19:08	rangi	:)
19:08	jcamins	And make it work like that.
19:08	maximep	the cli script is so different from the interface :S
19:09	cait	I tried it
19:09	cait	followed the trace through various files and gave up in the end
19:09	rangi	ok if someone wants to file a bug ill get him on to it
19:09	jcamins	maximep: that's because the CLI script didn't have to match pre-existing behavior.
19:09	rangi	he has been writing tests
19:09	rangi	will be a nice change
19:09	rangi	ok my stop bbiab
19:10	maximep	oh, I might as well ask a question about the script
19:10	maximep	I had data in the .mrc with a branch that didn't exist
19:10	cait	ah
19:10	cait	it will give you no errror
19:10	cait	but still not import them
19:11	cait	I reported a bug for that
19:11	maximep	i think it did
19:11	maximep	give me an error
19:11	cait	oh?
19:11	cait	was not aware it got fixed
19:11	cait	I had a case where it said "all imported!" and nothing was there
19:11	maximep	but i wonder what the interface does
19:12	jcamins	maximep: if I had to guess, I'd say it probably sticks the 952s into biblioitems, leaving you with seriously screwed up bib records.
19:12	maximep	anyway, not long to just search and replace in the mrc file
19:12	* jcamins	doesn't know where that guess came from, but he's pretty good about it being right.
19:14	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #571: SUCCESS in 1 h 23 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/571/
19:14	jenkins_koha	* m.de.rooy: Bug 7270: Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown
19:14	jenkins_koha	* juan.sieira: Bug 7275 - Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column
19:14	jenkins_koha	* sophie.meynieux: Bug 7287 : Fix overdue notification if a branch given as parameter does not have rules
19:14	jenkins_koha	* magnus: Bug 7309 - Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet
19:14	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7270 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown
19:14	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7275 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column
19:14	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7287 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, sophie.meynieux, ASSIGNED , overdue notification is processed several times if some sites do not have rules
19:14	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7309 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet
19:17	rangi	ohhh now i can use xslt with all my norwegian records
19:17	maximep	there's a marc format only for norway ?
19:18	rangi	yup
19:18	rangi	normarc
19:18	rangi	theres tons of the things
19:19	rangi	most have stopped being used though
19:22	magnus_afk	huh?
19:22	magnus_afk	;-)
19:22	rangi	:)
19:23	rangi	i just saw your xslt was pushed
19:23	magnus_afk	yeah, but us norwegians are sooo special we just gotta have our own library metadata format, you see...
19:23	magnus_afk	yup, cool! (and sad that we need it...)
19:25	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.6.x build #25: SUCCESS in 1 h 12 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/25/
19:25	jenkins_koha	* info: Bug 7143: Updating About.tt for Ian Walls, Chris Nighswonger and Paul Poulain
19:25	jenkins_koha	* info: Bug 7143: Follow up patch for Updating about.tt
19:25	jenkins_koha	* ian.walls: Bug 7160: paying fines throws error
19:25	jenkins_koha	* mtj: Bug 7164 - add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page
19:25	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Bug 7164 minor follow-up
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
19:25	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Bug 7164 follow-up history.txt and perlcritic compliance
19:25	jenkins_koha	* robin: Bug 7197 - add a Spanish readme file to the packages
19:25	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 7202 - z39.50 search on bib edit not working
19:25	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 7135 - in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7160 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , paying fines throws error
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7164 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page
19:25	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 7227, "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view
19:25	jenkins_koha	* chrish: bug 7239 fix to avoid error being thrown even though a record is created
19:25	jenkins_koha	* juan.sieira: Bug 7262 - No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description
19:25	jenkins_koha	* m.de.rooy: Bug 7270: Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7197 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , ES translation of the Debian readme
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7202 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , z39.50 search on bib edit not working
19:25	jenkins_koha	* juan.sieira: Bug 7275 - Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column
19:25	jenkins_koha	* sophie.meynieux: Bug 7287 : Fix overdue notification if a branch given as parameter does not have rules
19:25	jenkins_koha	* magnus: Bug 7309 - Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet
19:25	jenkins_koha	* chris.nighswonger: Followup on bug 7185 to correct Marcel de Rooy's name
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen
19:25	jenkins_koha	* chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 14 Dec 2011 17:57:42 Z
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7227 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view, not the items view
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7239 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Acquisitions, add order to basket, from new, no item field filed, AcqCreateItem=ordering cause internal error
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7262 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7270 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7275 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7287 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, sophie.meynieux, ASSIGNED , overdue notification is processed several times if some sites do not have rules
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7309 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet
19:25	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7185 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, REOPENED , Update to 3.6 says "Koha release 3.4"
19:34	huginn`	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7359] Begin migration to a new "Koha" namespace from the old "C4" namespace <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7359>
19:43	oleonard	chris_n++
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19:45	chris_n	4 good reasons not to text while driving: http://www.youtube.com/watch?f[…]ded&v=DebhWD6ljZs
19:49	rangi	heh
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19:53	caser	Hi everyone. I have a question. Does anyone know of a chart/key/map that connects the names of fields in the staff client with the corresponding database table or cell?
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19:56	huginn`	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5327] Unit tests required for all C4 modules <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327>
19:56	rangi	heya Sylence
19:56	mbalmer	chris_n, that is kind of brutal
19:56	Sylence	hi :)
19:57	chris_n	mbalmer: the truth is often that way
19:57	rangi	Sylence: cait is gonna make you a bug to work on :)
19:57	Sylence	rangi: sounds good
19:58	rangi	she also signed off on some of your unit tests the other day
19:58	rangi	http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
19:59	* cait	waves
19:59	cait	hi Sylence and thx for your work :)
19:59	chris_n	Sylence must be the intern rangi keeps busy :-)
19:59	cait	hehe yes
19:59	rangi	well turns out he is probably going to be fulltime, but unfortunately i think another team is going to grab him
20:00	mbalmer	good we have siri these days (which does not work either)
20:00	rangi	but we might get him hooked enough he will still do some patches :)
20:00	* cait	offers to file more bugs to help with that plan
20:00	chris_n	mbalmer: and voice responsive gps, etc
20:00	rangi	bug 7361
20:00	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7361 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics
20:00	Sylence	hi cait! I just submitted another unit test :)
20:00	rangi	there ya go Sylence :)
20:01	chris_n	Sylence++
20:01	chris_n	unit_tests++
20:01	cait	Sylence++
20:01	cait	unit_tests++
20:01	cait	indeed
20:01	rangi	@karma sylence
20:01	huginn`	rangi: Karma for "sylence" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
20:01	mbalmer	chris_n, last night, when driving home, the highway was blocked. brutal accident. highwas was closed 8pm - 4am. dunno if they texted, though
20:02	rangi	@karma ie
20:02	huginn`	rangi: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 34 times for a total karma of -34.
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20:02	rangi	@wunder wellington nz
20:02	huginn`	rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0ï¿½C (8:00 AM NZDT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
20:02	chris_n	@wunder 28334
20:02	huginn`	chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 16.0ï¿½C (2:35 PM EST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 0.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa (Falling).
20:02	rangi	@marc 245
20:02	huginn`	rangi: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8]
20:02	cait	@wunder Konstanz
20:02	huginn`	cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.6ï¿½C (9:00 PM CET on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 5.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
20:02	rangi	rangi?
20:02	wahanui	I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
20:03	rangi	mtj?
20:03	wahanui	DeM KraZy NutZ!!
20:03	chris_n	koha?
20:03	wahanui	hmmm... koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
20:03	mbalmer	I AM NUTS!
20:03	rangi	mbalmer?
20:03	wahanui	mbalmer is not yet familiar enoigh with the system to offer you a patch, sorry.
20:03	cait	rangi? :)
20:03	cait	rangi?
20:03	wahanui	I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
20:03	chris_n	cait?
20:03	wahanui	That's Ms. Cait to you!
20:03	chris_n	lol
20:04	cait	heh
20:04	chrisdothall	hehe
20:04	cait	eythian...
20:04	wahanui	eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
20:04	cait	germs?
20:04	wahanui	Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:04	rangi	mbalmer?
20:04	wahanui	rangi is NUTS!
20:04	rangi	what!
20:04	chris_n	hehe
20:04	mbalmer	yes, rangi?
20:04	wahanui	I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
20:04	jcamins	jcamins?
20:04	wahanui	you are supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
20:05	Sylence	Sylence?
20:05	Sylence	lol, didn't think so :)
20:05	rangi	oh and the other useful thing is
20:05	rangi	@quote random
20:05	huginn`	rangi: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011)
20:05	cait	kf?
20:05	wahanui	kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss
20:05	chrisdothall	hahaha
20:05	cait	wahanui botsnack cookie
20:05	wahanui	thanks cait :)
20:05	rangi	@quote get 123
20:05	huginn`	rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:05	jcamins	@quote get 123
20:05	huginn`	jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:05	rangi	heh
20:05	cait	@quote random
20:05	huginn`	cait: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
20:07	mbalmer	@quote pain
20:07	huginn`	mbalmer: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:07	mbalmer	huginn should say something about perl now...
20:11	caser	Does anyone know of a chart/key/map that connects the names of fields in the staff client with the corresponding database table or cell?
20:11	oleonard	I don't think such a thing exists caser. What are you trying to do?
20:11	cait	oleonard++ for asking the right question
20:13	caser	oleonard, I often run into problems when I'm trying to create or edit a report, and I know what field I want to include by the name in the staff client, but I don't know what it's called in the database
20:15	oleonard	schema?
20:15	wahanui	schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
20:15	caser	I can usually find it after a good bit of searching, guessing, trial and error, but it'd be nice if that information was all in one place.
20:15	oleonard	caser: That link is something to try
20:16	oleonard	It describes each of the Koha database tables and the contents of each column
20:16	selva_55	Do you do business with LibLime Koha
20:16	selva_55	or is it taboo?
20:16	oleonard	caser: For instance, http://schema.koha-community.o[…]es/borrowers.html
20:16	jcamins	selva_55: no one here uses it, so you'll be basically on your own.
20:16	jcamins	Well, occasionally jwagner from LibLime is online.
20:17	jcamins	Maybe she would help you with problems you encountered.
20:17	selva_55	So Koha-community is diferent from LibLime
20:17	oleonard	selva_55: One of the advantages to using Koha over "Liblime Koha" is that you can get help here
20:17	jcamins	However, I don't think there is anyone who would recommend using the LibLime fork.
20:17	jcamins	Koha continues to be actively developed.
20:17	selva_55	And is Koha free still?
20:17	jcamins	Koha is free, yes.
20:18	jcamins	And open source.
20:18	wahanui	open source is strong and solid partly because different people are working through the system
20:18	jcamins	wahanui++ # a truer word was never spoke
20:18	jcamins	selva_55: LibLime's fork is somewhat less free and open source.
20:18	selva_55	So glad for open source!
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20:20	rhcl	restraint noted
20:21	caser	oleonard, I don't think that's what I need, but I could be wrong. What I mean is, if I'm using the staff client and I know I want to include the field that's called "Home Library" in the staff client, how can I find out that in the tables it's called "branchcode"
20:23	oleonard	caser: I'm not saying it's easy, but you could read through the descriptions of the borrowers table until you found the column which had the right description
20:26	rangi	stupid fire alarm
20:26	caser	Ok. Yeah, not easy, but definitely better than nothing. Thanks
20:26	* rangi	tries to start his day again
20:27	jcamins	Bother. The lights won't turn on, and everyone is out.
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20:31	caser	oleonard, If I wanted to create a slightly more simplified version and share it with other users, what do you think is the best way to do that? I mean, if it were added to the wiki, what would it be called so people could find it?
20:32	caser	I don't have the terminology for what I'm looking for and/or trying to do.
20:33	jcamins	caser: "a gentle introduction to the Koha database structure"?
20:33	* chris_n	hands rangi a fire extinguisher and a second cup of coffee
20:33	caser	oleonard :) lovely. Thanks for your help.
20:37	* oleonard	points out to all how fun it would be to sign off on Bug 6933
20:37	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client
20:38	cait	hehe
20:38	cait	it looks like fun
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20:44	rangi	oh that is a good one
20:44	rangi	maybe Sylence can look at that next :)
20:46	rangi	http://computerworld.co.nz/new[…]r-school-students
20:46	rangi	look for some patches in january :)
20:46	oleonard	catalyst++
20:46	cait	catalyst++ :)
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20:52	* oleonard	wonders if jwagner PMs anyone who mentions Liblime Koha to talk it up
20:52	cait	??
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20:53	oleonard	cait: I wonder if jwagner sends a private message to folks who look like prospective Liblime Koha users
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20:54	jcamins	oleonard: not when she's not around, I imagine.
20:54	jcamins	;)
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20:57	jcamins	oleonard: how do I select the Holdings tab on the OPAC?
20:57	jcamins	I thought it was li[contains:Holdings] but that didn't work at all.
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20:57	oleonard	In order to do what jcamins ?
20:57	jcamins	:contains('Holdings')
20:57	jcamins	Hide it.
20:58	oleonard	$("li:contains('Holdings')").hide(); works for me
20:58	jcamins	oleonard: yeah, I was using square brackets.
20:59	jcamins	One shouldn't use square brackets.
20:59	jcamins	Hm, but that doesn't make it select the Title Notes box automatically.
20:59	jcamins	Any idea how to make that be the one that's selected automatically?
21:00	* oleonard	has to look that one up every time
21:01	jcamins	Is it on the wiki and I'm missing it?
21:02	oleonard	$('#bibliodescriptions > ul').tabs('select', 1);
21:02	jcamins	Thanks.
21:03	oleonard	when we update to jqueryUI the syntax will change (and it will be easier to find documentation on how to do that)
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21:04	cait	:)
21:04	jcamins	Well, darn
21:04	jcamins	Putting that in document.ready does not work.
21:05	jcamins	Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'select' of undefined
21:05	jcamins	Running it from the console works fine.
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21:11	oleonard	jcamins: Probably has to do with when it's getting called in relation to the main call to the tabs() function
21:11	oleonard	Not sure what to suggest, though, and I've got to run.
21:11	* jcamins	finds a previous message from you explaining how to do it.
21:11	jcamins	oleonard++
21:11	oleonard	my_previous_self++
21:11	oleonard	my present self not so much ;)
21:12	oleonard	Bye all
21:12	jcamins	Bye.
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21:15	jcamins	Time for me to head to the library and find something to read.
21:15	jcamins	Good night, #koha.
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21:18	maximep	am i the only one that works on koha, but don't remember the last time he went to a library?
21:19	maximep	it's different i guess when you work on a lot of other stuff
21:20	cait	hm
21:20	rangi	i havent taken a book out a library in years
21:20	rangi	ive been there
21:20	cait	I remember :) but I think I have no valid library card right now
21:21	rangi	our local libary uses an ILS i find very hard to use
21:21	rangi	but thats not the main reason
21:21	rangi	its just usually not got anything that i want on the shelf and it charges for reserves
21:22	rangi	equinox++
21:23	cait	hm?
21:23	rangi	message to the mailing list
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21:32	maximep	haha good to know
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22:10	magnus_afk	g'night #koha
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22:25	rangi	and europe has gone
22:25	edveal	Can anyone give me some insight on if OpacHiddenItems is working or not?
22:25	rangi	there is a patch to fix it
22:25	rangi	that needs testing
22:26	rangi	but i know some people are using it
22:26	rangi	http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488
22:26	huginn`	Bug 6488: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
22:26	rangi	ohh signed off even
22:26	edveal	Do you know what the syntax is to use it if it were to work?
22:26	rangi	try reading the bug
22:26	* rangi	has never used it
22:27	rangi	but yeah it appears you need that applied, its awaiting qa so should be in master soon, and 3.6 sometime after
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22:42	maximep	used it today
22:42	maximep	heh, too late
22:42	sekjal	maximep: do used opachiddenitems successfully today?
22:42	sekjal	s/do used/you used/
22:43	maximep	it worked in the detail page
22:43	maximep	but still showed everything in the search
22:43	sekjal	ah, okay
22:43	sekjal	that helps me understand better
22:43	maximep	ah, just saw that the patch adds a \n
22:43	sekjal	I'm hearing conflicting reports about it being broken and not broken at the same time
22:43	maximep	right now u need a line break at the end or else it fails
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22:44	sekjal	perhaps folks are looking at different areas of the system when they report this to me
22:49	wizzyrea	oh! I wonder if that's why sometimes it doesn't work
22:49	wizzyrea	the newline at the end of the line
22:49	wizzyrea	thing
22:49	wizzyrea	and hi :P
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22:50	sekjal	hi, wizzyrea
22:51	maximep	if a newline is missing there's a log in the error log
22:51	maximep	so easy to check
22:51	* wizzyrea	is pretty sure I never put in the YAML with a newline at the end.
22:52	wizzyrea	will have to check it tomorrow.
22:52	wizzyrea	or maybe tonight, who knows.
22:52	maximep	yay, finished my day of work =)
22:52	maximep	cya
22:52	wizzyrea	later :)
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23:11	Brooke	kia ora
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23:32	Judit	good morning
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23:57	rangi	hi Judit

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