IRC log for #koha, 2011-10-07

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00:30 rangi bg: sorry was at lunch
00:30 rangi yeah the koha-common in /etc/cron.daily/
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00:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #460: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/460/
00:37 jenkins_koha magnus: Bug 6953 - Value builder for NORMARC 007 does not show further options
00:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6953 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, NEW , Value builder for NORMARC 007 does not show further options
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00:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6986] update perltidy with new official style <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6986>
00:54 jenkins_koha Starting build 461 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 6584: Enable searching on Zebra's Bib-level index <[…]b498945372a2a254f>
01:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 6786: False detection of index names in Search; make index names case insensitive <[…]62ff66bdfbb079ef1> / 6769 Getting rid of some RIS errors/warnings <[…]3d7ba3ce33c16c01d>
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01:34 druthb o/
01:37 rangi heya druthb
01:38 Danielle Hi!
01:38 jcamins_away rangi++ # for solving tough problems
01:38 druthb hi, rangi and Danielle!
01:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #461: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/461/
01:41 jenkins_koha 6584: Enable searching on Zebra's Bib-level index
01:41 jenkins_koha Starting build 462 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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01:43 jcamins_away rangi: question about resource use with the packages- how costly are separate Zebra servers for each instance?
01:44 rangi 2 secs
01:44 jcamins_away Take your time.
01:44 eythian jcamins_away: zebra is pretty light
01:45 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "2298 ashs-koh 20 0 97900 5272" (6 lines) at
01:45 rangi not a lot
01:45 rangi is the answer
01:45 jcamins_away Hmm. That's good.
01:45 jcamins_away Thomas Krichel has been running ca. 20 instances on a server with no more than 1GB of RAM.
01:46 rangi yeah
01:46 rangi its very light
01:46 eythian we've also been thinking about the idea of allowing the packages to have a dedicated, remote, zebra server. Though, the main reason for this would be IO load more than anything.
01:46 eythian as yet we haven't needed to.
01:46 jcamins_away eythian: yeah, I like the idea of that.
01:46 jcamins_away eythian: I mean, having that as an easy option.
01:47 eythian yeah, zebra allows it, but I'm not sure how the rebuilding would work.
01:47 jcamins_away Ah, right.
01:47 eythian[…]eetVelcrow11x.jpg
01:48 jcamins_away Heh. I know her.
01:48 jcamins_away Or, at least, we've met.
01:55 jcamins_away rangi: thanks!
01:56 rangi hopefully its some use
01:56 jcamins_away Hm. Running low on RAM. Maybe it's because I have two VMs running.
01:56 jcamins_away Three, now.
01:56 rangi heh its the day for continually calling people the wrong name
01:56 rangi mason has been called james twice
01:57 rangi and magnus got marcus
01:57 jcamins_away Heh.
01:57 jcamins_away I was called "Jordan" the other day.
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01:57 jcamins No idea where that came from.
01:57 rangi heh
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01:59 eythian cait: it's 4am there.
01:59 cait oh wow
01:59 rangi wtf
01:59 cait wtf
01:59 rangi hehe
01:59 eythian ah, you're sleepircing.
01:59 cait woke up and have no clock on my bed
01:59 cait thought it was later
02:00 eythian heh
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02:01 druthb hi, cait!
02:02 druthb bye, cait!
02:02 druthb :P
02:02 jcamins eythian: is there a list of variables that can go in koha-sites.conf?
02:02 eythian There's some in the man page, but mostly look in the source of koha-create, it's changing a lot at the moment
02:03 jcamins Ah.
02:03 jcamins Ohhh. That's supposed to be "DOMAIN".
02:04 jcamins I was wondering about that.
02:04 eythian hmm?
02:04 jcamins I had a typo.
02:04 jcamins It said MAIN=whatever.
02:04 eythian where'd it say that?
02:04 eythian ah
02:10 eythian[…]at_haunted_house/
02:11 rangi did i ever tell you thats how i spent my stag night
02:11 rangi in kennywood amusement park in pittsburgh
02:11 rangi during halloween season
02:11 eythian heh
02:11 rangi so they had ppl walking round with chainsaws, and the clown from It
02:12 rangi after a few beers, that stuff is scary!
02:12 rangi those are awesome photos
02:13 eythian[…]/with/5985153495/ <-- the whole set
02:13 jcamins I thought one of the complaints about Puppet was that it had a global namespace.
02:13 jcamins So where are my global variables?
02:13 eythian variables?
02:14 jcamins That was a mostly rhetorical question. I don't expect you to solve my Puppet problems.
02:14 eythian heh
02:14 eythian puppet doesn't really have variables
02:14 jcamins I have a variables $zebra_marc_language set to 'en' in manifests/site.pp.
02:14 eythian also, I think it's more the class namespace is global
02:14 eythian that's more of a constant
02:14 eythian because you can't change it
02:14 jcamins Well, yeah, unchanging variable.
02:14 jcamins Like in XSLT. :)
02:15 eythian but anyway, I can't remember how to namespace them in puppet, it's been too long.
02:15 jcamins When I try to use that constant in a template used by the Koha class, it recognizes that they were set, but doesn't have any value in them.
02:16 * jcamins grumbles a bunch
02:23 jcamins Oh, mystery solved.
02:24 eythian What is the solution?
02:24 wahanui the solution is probably probably to enable a way to tell Koha not to store that local password value
02:24 jcamins Heh.
02:24 jcamins No, wahanui, the solution is to use the proper template syntax.
02:24 wahanui okay, jcamins.
02:24 eythian heh right
02:24 wizzyrea the solution
02:24 wahanui the solution is to use the proper template syntax.
02:24 wizzyrea hrmph
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02:25 jcamins You know, going from H::T::P to T::T to ERB leaves a fellow very confused.
02:25 eythian heh
02:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #462: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/462/
02:28 jenkins_koha * 6769 Getting rid of some RIS errors/warnings
02:28 jenkins_koha * 6786: False detection of index names in Search; make index names case insensitive
02:29 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 6048: bash odities
02:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6048 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , bash odities
02:33 jcamins Hm. There should be OPACPORT, OPACPREFIX, and OPACSUFFIX. Has someone reported a bug yet?
02:33 eythian nope, no one has needed them :)
02:34 eythian actually, OPACPORT I think is going to go in
02:34 jcamins Ah, yes, well done. :)
02:34 jcamins Patched, too.
02:34 jcamins Still needs a sign-off.
02:34 eythian yeah
02:35 * jcamins adds that to his list for signing off.
02:35 eythian I've been meaning to sort out another patch and was going to do them both at the same time.
02:35 eythian But feel free to check it out and sign-off on it if you want :)
02:35 jcamins I won't get until it until Saturday at the earliest.
02:35 eythian no problem
02:35 jcamins I don't actually need it, since I'm only noticing the need for this as I eliminate my need for koha-create.
02:36 eythian ah right
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02:43 Guest12815 Hi everyone, I have a problem when importing a MARC record, author field (100) is locked, how do I edit it to enter the author?
02:44 eythian author is linked to authorities by default
02:44 eythian you can change that in the framework
02:45 jcamins Guest12815: you'll could change BiblioAddsAuthorities to "allow" or "true," so that you don't have to have a pre-existing authority for every author.
02:45 eythian that's another option, yeah
02:46 jcamins That's probably the better option.
02:47 Guest12815 I have checked and 'BiblioAddsAuthorities' is set to allow
02:47 jcamins Guest12815: and you're sure you can't type text into the author box?
02:47 jcamins You want to edit subfield a.
02:48 jcamins It will show a lock icon to tell you that there are authorities associated with that field.
02:49 Guest12815 I can't edit 100 a it's greyed out and it has a padlock and 3 dots at the end
02:50 jcamins Guest12815: and you tried typing in that box?
02:51 jcamins (sorry if this seems like a redundant question, but this confuses a lot of people)
02:51 Guest12815 I feel very stupid now! I have just tried typing in the box and I can! Sorry to waste your time!
02:51 jcamins No problem.
02:51 eythian jcamins: so, the field looks the same when you can't write in it as when you can?
02:52 eythian I don't think that's so good.
02:52 jcamins eythian: yeah, I agree.
02:52 Guest12815 Yes it looks grey with a padlock inside the box, that's why I thought it was read only
02:53 eythian that's also how it looks when it is readonly
02:53 eythian it should at least not be grey when you can write in it.
02:55 Guest12815 I totally agree with you guys! If you see a grey textbox with a padlock in it you assume it's read only don't you?
02:56 jcamins Except for when I know that it's not, as in this case. ;)
02:56 jcamins But, generally, yeah, that's very confusing.
02:56 Guest12815 Ok I'd better go and do some work now, thanks again guys. Catch you later
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02:58 jcamins Woohoo! I have an Apache config file!
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02:58 eythian cool :)
02:58 jcamins It's the little things. :)
02:58 eythian are you having puppet reproduce all of koha-create, or is it using koha-create to create things?
02:59 jcamins The former.
02:59 jcamins If I were really good, I'd figure out a way to do the latter, but I'm not that good.
02:59 eythian that seems like the hard way
02:59 jcamins There are two problems with using koha-create.
02:59 eythian it's really easy, you just set it up so that it uses koha-list to figure out if an instance exists, if not it uses koha-create to create it.
03:00 jcamins Okay, that solved one of 'em.
03:00 jcamins The other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine.
03:01 eythian why's that an issue?
03:01 jcamins Making it very difficult to have an Apache front-end on multiple servers.
03:02 jcamins (remember, it is not my claim that this would necessarily be impossible, just that I'm not smart enough to do it)
03:02 eythian ah right
03:02 eythian that's solvable, patch koha-create to allow it to use a command to get the password, and then you can supply a file or whatever along with puppet that it's to use for the password.
03:03 jcamins Hmmm.
03:03 jcamins That makes sense.
03:03 * jcamins can't believe you waited until _after_ I had battled the Apache config to point this out. :P
03:04 eythian you shoulda asked ;)
03:04 jcamins Yeah, apparently so. I thought you had work to do, though. :P
03:04 eythian I'm researching for my kohacon talk at the moment :)
03:06 jcamins eythian: what other variables were you going to add to koha-list and koha-create?
03:06 jcamins It turns out I need to patch koha-create now.
03:07 eythian only the ones on bug 6913
03:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Improving koha-list and koha-create
03:07 eythian at least, that's all I have plans for in the near future.
03:07 eythian Magnus may be adding some more perhaps.
03:07 jcamins You had said that you had something else you planned on adding to that, though, before asking for a sign-off?
03:08 eythian oh yeah, it's for koha-list
03:11 jcamins You know what, I think I'll wait to modify koha-create until Saturday.
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03:12 jcamins For right now, I'll just avoid having Puppet manage multiple servers.
03:12 eythian heh
03:12 eythian cait: it's 5am there
03:12 cait I know
03:12 jcamins And it's after 11 here.
03:12 eythian It's still far too early
03:12 eythian it's beer o'clock here
03:13 cait and it's too early because it's beer o clock?
03:13 eythian no, it's too early to be up, were I in Europe.
03:14 cait hmpf
03:15 jcamins Hm.
03:15 jcamins Another problem with using koha-create.
03:15 jcamins No, never mind.
03:15 jcamins I can overload DEFAULTSQL to load data.
03:16 eythian yep
03:17 jcamins How do I use koha-list to check if an instance exists?
03:17 jcamins Got it.
03:17 eythian if koha-list | grep $instance ; then echo it exists ; fi
03:17 eythian I think should do it
03:17 jcamins Yup.
03:18 wajasu this will help me out.  can someone create fresh new book with the author name having "Tester, Jürgen", and then save it as marcxml, and paste it in the koha paste tool.  i want to see if my dev/runtime environment is the same as someone with a wholesome debian environment.
03:18 jcamins Even koha-list | grep $name || koha-create
03:18 eythian grep -e "^$instance\$" is probably better.
03:18 jcamins Ooh, yes, much better.
03:20 eythian alright, beer o'clock time here.
03:20 wajasu whats the best way to dev/test ( virtualbox with debian.  which debian?)  I might have to create such and environment.
03:20 eythian debian stable
03:20 eythian in virtualbox will work just fine
03:21 wajasu perl version? what comes with debian?
03:21 eythian yep
03:21 eythian[…]pment_Environment
03:21 wajasu ok. here goes.
03:23 jcamins Ah, the DB bit is going to be tricky.
03:24 jcamins I guess koha-create also needs an option to use the existing database.
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03:30 jcamins As a temporary measure, I'll use --create-db
03:34 jcamins Hm. Have to figure out how to run these commands in order.
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05:09 eythian jcamins_away: just run it with --populate-db
05:10 eythian oh, that won't set everything up
05:10 eythian yeah, an option to provide existing db details would be good.
05:11 * cait waves
05:37 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6774] Display barcode on OPAC detail page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6774>
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05:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6761] Longer userid field <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6761>
06:06 ropuch Morning #koha
06:06 cait morning ropuch :)
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06:15 magnuse kia ora #koha
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06:17 cait hi magnuse :)
06:18 magnuse guten morgen cait
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06:26 alex_a magnuse, cait: bonjour !
06:27 alex_a and hello all
06:27 magnuse bonjour alex_a
06:28 ropuch Hi magnuse & alex_a
06:28 magnuse hiya ropuch
06:30 oakivil gooood moorniing #koha!
06:31 oakivil I have been thinking about doing a Perl script updating the authorities tables inside Koha MySQL from a external authorities repository
06:32 oakivil Anyway do you have any ideas can I directly inject authorities to the MySQL tables or do I have to use the
06:32 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6776] Add Checkin tab to patron search tool <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6776>
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06:35 magnuse oakivil: i wonder if cait is doing something like that? i might not remember correctly
06:35 cait we use bulkmarcimport with -a I think
06:35 cait or bulkauthorities
06:36 cait should basically be quite similar in the outocme
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06:37 magnuse oakivil: i think i would generally prefer existing scripts over doing things directly in the database
06:39 magnuse[…]ystatus-gbsd5.txt yay!
06:40 rangi awesome!
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06:44 reiveune hello
06:44 wahanui salut, reiveune
06:45 magnuse yeah, nothing like a deadline to make things happen, hehe ;-)
06:45 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:46 reiveune salut magnuse :)
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06:53 alex_a bug 6919
06:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6919 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay
06:53 magnuse yay
06:55 magnuse how does bug 6958 affect translations - will .po files have to be regenerated, or does it only affect installation of translations?
06:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6958 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Missing spaces in translated templates
06:56 rangi the former
06:56 rangi have to be updated
06:56 rangi translate update
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06:58 francharb hello
06:58 rangi hi francharb
06:59 magnuse thanks rangi
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07:13 kf good morning #koha :)
07:13 rangi heya kf
07:13 asaurat good morning :)
07:14 kf hi asaurat :)
07:14 kf paul said you worked in germany?
07:14 * kf whois asaurat
07:14 kf ah, I am not awake et
07:14 asaurat I've been in Berlin for a while, but I'm in Marseilles now
07:15 kf how did you like it in Berlin?
07:15 asaurat do you know Germany ? are you from there ?
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07:16 kf I am German :) working for BSZ in Konstanz
07:16 asaurat I liked it, awesome city, would stay there forever if.. well... if it was in France :D (I don't feel like living in a foreign land after all)
07:16 asaurat oh, I visited Konstanz too on my way back !
07:16 kf oh nice!
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07:17 asaurat I wanted to see more of Germany and walked through Berlin - Pirna - Nürnberg - München - Lindau - Konstanz - Freiburg
07:17 kf the lake is nice, right? (I am biased)
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07:18 asaurat hehe, the lake is very beautiful, I took the boat to cross it, not enough time to visit the Lindenberg museum sadly
07:18 * Oak waves
07:18 christophe_c hello people
07:18 rangi hi christophe_c and Oak
07:18 rangi and asaurat
07:18 asaurat hi
07:18 Oak hello rangi
07:18 christophe_c hello rangi
07:19 kf :)
07:19 Oak Guten Tag kf
07:19 christophe_c hello kf
07:19 kf I was in marseille for the last european hackfest - it's a nice city
07:19 kf didn't see much though, lots of hacking
07:19 kf hi christophe_c :)
07:19 kf hi Oak :)
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07:19 christophe_c yes it was good time kf
07:20 christophe_c unhappy the sea was a little cool....
07:20 kf yep, hope to repeat it .)
07:20 christophe_c me too
07:20 kf even if it will force you all to talk English again ;)
07:20 christophe_c :)
07:21 christophe_c it's a good practice for a froggy ;-)
07:21 kf for me too
07:21 kf don't get to talk much
07:22 hdl hi
07:22 kf hi hdl :)
07:22 asaurat Marseille is a very contrasted city, some parts are gorgeous, other parts are... well... not so
07:23 rangi i like itd
07:23 rangi wow
07:23 rangi i liked it
07:23 rangi that was a crazy typo
07:23 * kf sends coffeee and cookies
07:23 rangi[…]hp?g2_itemId=6848
07:24 rangi[…]hp?g2_itemId=6917  <-- recognise anyone? :)
07:26 christophe_c hdl on 1140334417_l  as a cowboy ?
07:26 christophe_c :)
07:26 rangi hehe
07:26 christophe_c nice rangi
07:26 rangi that was at the rugby bar, in marseille
07:26 christophe_c oh I see
07:26 rangi they had good food there
07:27 rangi i forget the name of it, but it was close to the hotel we stayed at
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07:44 rangi hi paul_p
07:44 paul_p hi rangi & al
07:44 paul_p rangi: what's your bet for tomorrow FR-EN match ?
07:45 rangi my heart says france
07:45 rangi my head says england
07:45 paul_p (don't ask me mine, I really can't do one, there's a too big difference between what I feel and what I want ;-) )
07:45 rangi by 12 and under
07:45 kf morning paul_p
07:47 paul_p I think i'll try to look at NZ-AR on sunday morning (& go to the church early). That should be a pleasant game to see !
07:49 rangi i think sa vs aus too
07:49 rangi will be interesting
08:09 slef oh both FR and EN are capable of having a stinker
08:09 rangi tis true
08:18 mtj rangi: about still?
08:18 rangi yup
08:18 * alex_a hopes rangi's heart will be right
08:19 mtj heya chris, i'm having a last -minute wack at the stars-ratings code...
08:20 mtj who soon until the general freeze?
08:20 mtj s/who/how/
08:20 mtj its tomorrow-ish?
08:20 rangi string freeze?
08:20 wahanui somebody said string freeze was 8th april
08:20 rangi close
08:21 rangi 24:00 8th October
08:21 rangi but bugs that dont change templates/strings are still ok after that
08:21 mtj gotcha
08:23 oakivil cait: magnuse: So I could download the recent changes from the national authorities repository, then use the to add the recent updates to Koha. I could make a Cron Job to handle these tasks. Sounds like a plan.
08:23 kf oakivil: I think that's how we do it
08:23 kf matching on 001
08:24 kf I think we do something to keep the 001 and let it not be replaced by koha's internal number
08:24 kf would have to ask my coworker, might be possible to do it with the options available from the script
08:25 magnuse oakivil: sounds doable, but i havn't actually tried it...
08:25 oakivil Also had a discussion with our systems administratoress, and we found out that we need to have separate notification triggers for each item type.
08:25 oakivil Cd's should have 7 days notification delay, Books 21 days. Items with holds 5 days.
08:25 oakivil currently you can only set delays on a Patron category basis.
08:27 oakivil I guess it is doable via the script variables
08:32 kf yeah
08:32 kf oakivil: there is a group
08:32 kf working on a spec for notice rewrite
08:33 kf and this is definitely on the list of thigns a lot of people want
08:38 kf[…]aging_rewrite_RFC
09:10 slef wahanui: no, string freeze is 24:00 8th October
09:10 wahanui ...but string freeze is 8th april...
09:10 slef wahanui: no, string freeze is 24:00 8th October
09:10 wahanui ...but string freeze is 8th april...
09:11 kf forget string freeze
09:11 wahanui kf: I forgot string freeze
09:11 slef kf: bah. I know we can do that, but why aren't corrections working as documented?
09:11 kf slef: arguing with a bot... not a good idea :)
09:11 kf ask eythian :)
09:11 slef wahanui: string freeze is 24:00 8th October
09:11 wahanui OK, slef.
09:11 kf and there is documentation?
09:11 slef kf: /msg wahanui help corrections
09:12 kf oh
09:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5786] Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5786>
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10:06 magnuse any UNIMARC users who have an opinion about Bug 6982?
10:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6982 minor, P5, ---, magnus, NEW , Don't show MARC21 tag documentation links for NORMARC (and UNIMARC?)
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11:58 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6982] Don't show MARC21 tag documentation links for NORMARC <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6982>
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12:19 paul_p hello back
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12:25 oleonard Bug 6576 really doesn't want to play nice
12:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data
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12:37 oleonard Anyone willing to test Bug 6970 in some non-Windows browsers?
12:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , logout not redirecting to login page
12:40 nengard oleonard i will
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12:42 oleonard Hey schuster, long time no see
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12:43 oleonard He dschust1, long time no see
12:43 * kf waves
12:43 dschust1 yeah things have been a bit crazy and not being on community has kept me away.
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12:44 oleonard not_using_Koha--
12:44 kf :(
12:44 dschust1 We're still on Koha I'm just working to get us back to koha-community.
12:44 dschust1 That PTXX thing.
12:44 oleonard There's only one Koha.
12:45 dschust1 Anyway you know what I mean...
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12:45 oleonard :)
12:45 dschust1 We love koha and what we can do so things are moving forward.
12:45 nengard oleonard bug 6970 needs another sign off from a windows and/or linux user
12:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , logout not redirecting to login page
12:47 dschust1 Besides I have missed all of you!
12:48 magnuse oleonard: i can't seem to get 6970 to do it's stuff for Opera 11.10 on Ubuntu 11.04
12:49 oleonard magnuse: Be sure to clear your cache so the browser is fetching a fresh copy of the js
12:49 magnuse yeah, that's what i'm trying to make sure i'm doing ,-)
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12:52 magnuse oleonard: i deleted everything, but it still closes the tab koha is in...
12:52 oleonard Interesting... Opera seems to be the only browser besides FF7 affected by this bug?
12:53 magnuse the patch fixed it for ff7 on ubuntu
12:53 magnuse chromium was not affected
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12:59 oleonard Hm, works for me in Opera on Windows, v. 11.51
13:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6987] C4::Overdues::GetFine returns inconsistent <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6987>
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13:20 kf hm I have to add a new language to the pull down in advanced search
13:21 kf do I have to change the database tables for that?
13:24 hdl kf: unfortunately yes
13:26 * oleonard learns for the first time of the language_descriptions table
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13:28 kf hdl: hm, I could hard-code the list too?
13:28 kf hdl: or is it strictly needed for search? the table
13:28 kf hdl: special use case, I only need weird languages like latin, old english...
13:28 oleonard The advanced search form pulls the languages from that table
13:29 nengard heh
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13:29 nengard maybe i should document that
13:29 kf oleonard: yep, I compared the generated list in html to the template
13:29 oleonard Although yeah, theoretically speaking you could hard-code an option in the template
13:29 hdl kf: you can take whatever solution you want.... But for sake of consistency with the community, you may want just add those langauges into database...
13:30 hdl C4::Languages is a mess.
13:30 hdl And is really heavy loading on all the pages.
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13:31 * oleonard wonders why, in his production catalog, the only language listed is Norsk nynorsk (Norwegian nynorsk), and it's listed twice...
13:32 kf hdl: I think this is too special to be sent as patch
13:32 kf hdl: it's a catalog for old manuscripts
13:32 oleonard right  up jcamins_away's alley, kf
13:33 kf I will think about it - the best way to make it work
13:33 kf oleonard: I told him about it - hopes he will proof read some of my translations
13:33 oleonard Our languages table must have gotten hosed a some point, and Norwegian got added in by a database update
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13:34 wizzyrea oleonard: what if you offered a suggestion and the patron typed it in themselves, twice.
13:35 wizzyrea re: your mail
13:35 oleonard wizzyrea: That's a valid option... although to be specific we're talking about the staff side, so it would be the staff typing
13:35 kf hdl: it works :) thx
13:36 wizzyrea or enter it twice, select this radio button to use this (dislayed) random password
13:36 wizzyrea sorry, that wasn't clear
13:37 wizzyrea have the option to enter it twice and type it in, or offer to use this displayed random password
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13:38 oleonard It would be easy to make the suggested password a link which when clicked would populate both fields.
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13:39 oleonard wizzyrea: Do your librarians use the suggested password?
13:39 wizzyrea i'm not sure
13:39 wizzyrea i could poll them
13:40 sekjal oleonard:  re your double Norwegian language issue, I don't believe those options are pulled from the database
13:40 sekjal I believe they're template-only
13:41 oleonard No, the languages aren't hard-coded into the template
13:44 sekjal huh, there is a database field for that... that's so strange
13:46 kf not only a field
13:46 kf tables
13:46 kf that's why I have resorted to hardcode my 5 languages for now :P
13:47 oleonard sekjal: And there is a line in which adds Norwegian.
13:48 oleonard kf: Although if you added your custom languages directly to your database it would probably not be overwritten upon upgrade (as we can see from my system)
13:49 jcamins_away kf: alas, adding languages to the tables is the way to go.
13:49 kf kf: I will change it if there is some time left later on
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13:49 kf oleonard... not talking to myself
13:49 jcamins Well, even better would be removing the expensive helper functions altogether.
13:49 kf have to truncate the tables and rewrite them completely
13:50 kf and not sure if not other things pull from there too
13:50 kf like the template langauge selection
13:50 kf I suspect they do
13:50 oleonard The language chooser in the footer? That looks at enabled languages doesn't it?
13:50 kf yep
13:50 kf but it also does use the codes
13:51 kf submenus
13:51 kf for english and so on
13:51 kf nz, gb...
13:51 kf and looking at the tables... there is a lot of information in there that I am not sure how it's used
13:51 oleonard Ah you're right, I see there are different lines in language_descriptions just for that
13:51 kf and I need different lists
13:52 kf I know I am doing evil thigns changing the templates :)
13:52 * oleonard adds Klingon and Pirate
13:52 kf it's only they need a lot of special things :)
13:52 kf so advanced search is a file I have to touch
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13:54 magnuse oleonard: why would you ever need anything else than nynorsk? ;-)
13:54 sekjal oleonard:  looks like this is a potential problem with large upgrade jumps... trying to find the right table to use to restore
13:54 oleonard It's very low priority sekjal
13:55 oleonard Sorry magnuse: "No results match your search for “ ln,rtrn:nno” in Athens County Public Libraries Catalog"
13:56 magnuse well, you better start buying then!  ;-)
13:57 magnuse kf: yes , the language chooser at the bottom of pages gets the names of languages from some database table
14:02 sekjal I can't seem to find where that table gets populated on install
14:06 kf sekjal: I think it should be in kohastructure?
14:06 kf it's a mandatory table
14:06 kf ah
14:06 kf there are also single sql files for the contents
14:06 kf I remember NOT translating those
14:07 ropuch This string is missing <, right? "other film type/option> %s " Or the "/option>" part is inthere by mistake?
14:08 oleonard ropuch: Where?
14:09 oleonard Oh, looks like an error in
14:09 oleonard <option value="d" selected="selected">other film type/option>
14:09 ropuch Its in stuff .po file, source entry 9243
14:10 oleonard The string should just be "other film type"
14:10 ropuch There's another, entry 8962 "lithography/option> %s "
14:10 kf ropuch: you are right, looks like an html error
14:11 oleonard sekjal: Is it overreaching for non-QA to say "failed QA" on a bug if it fails our testing?
14:11 kf oleonard: there is no other way I think if it applies and is still not working
14:11 sekjal oleonard:  if it fails your testing, please mark as Failed QA, with a description of how it failed
14:11 kf ropuch: which file?
14:12 ropuch stuff .po
14:13 sekjal I'm planning to meet with the 3.8 QA team in the next few weeks and go over an explicit set of rights/responsibilities in this regard, so everyone knows the expectations
14:13 ropuch pl-PL-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po but it's in english source entries, not polish ones ;>
14:13 ropuch Brb
14:13 sekjal such a document is of course subject to community approval
14:13 kf ropuch: I was thinking about the file where the string comes from :)
14:14 kf ropuch: should be shown somewhere, it's in the comments
14:18 oleonard cataloguing\value_builder\
14:24 kf ah
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14:27 jcamins Does anyone have the CSS off the top of their head to change the Intranet background color?
14:27 jcamins This computer doesn't have Firebug.
14:29 oleonard I don't think it's one simple change, because various containers also have their own background colors
14:29 oleonard But generally speaking, just add a background-color to the body tag
14:29 jcamins oleonard: it just has to be something visible, not something attractive.
14:29 jcamins Thanks.
14:29 jcamins I should've been able to figure that out.
14:30 * oleonard changes the color of #header to help him see that he's in production vs. testing
14:30 Oak oleonard, you use Debian ?
14:30 Oak just wondering
14:30 jcamins oleonard: clever.
14:31 kf oleonard: I do that too :)
14:31 oleonard Oak: I run Ubuntu in a VM and do most of my development in Windows
14:31 Oak hmm. got it.
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14:33 jcamins oleonard: good idea with the header.
14:33 kf paul_p: not sure it's true for this patch, but git bz only does git apply I think, sometimes patches apply when you use git am -i3
14:33 kf seeing your comment for 6303
14:34 paul_p really ? wow, that would be annoying (& surprising, 90% of patches need -3 flag)
14:34 * paul_p checks
14:34 kf it gives you the path for the file it saved
14:35 kf so it's easy to run git am -i3 after it failed
14:35 kf no need to download the file separately at least
14:36 oleonard I wouldn't be surprised if that genuinely doesn't apply. Lots of changes to lots of files
14:38 kf yeah, me neither
14:38 paul_p oleonard++
14:38 kf really :) but still might be of help to know
14:38 kf that bugzilla doesn't do it like you would normally do
14:39 paul_p the patch does not apply with git -i3 either
14:39 * paul_p can't be sure wether there is a -3 or no implied
14:39 paul_p git bz calls function, that is hidden "I don't know where"
14:43 hdl git-am
14:43 hdl not
14:44 kf paul_p: I think this was discussed before in the chat - I am quite sure about it
14:45 paul_p hdl, nope, the python function is
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14:45 paul_p kf: ok, i'll check on the next "does not apply" bz problem
14:45 hdl paul_p: should be in a git python module then.
14:46 kf paul_p: only thing might be that it's changed in slefs version of git-bz
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14:46 paul_p hdl: yes, but as I don't know python, that's why i say "I don't know where" ;-)
14:47 paul_p (silly to type in english on an irc channel where the guy you "speak" with is 4 meters away, and we could speak in native language ;-) (does it prove we are true geeks ;-) )
14:47 paul_p s/where the guy/when the guy/
14:47 jcamins paul_p: that makes perfect sense to me.
14:48 kf hehe to me too
14:48 kf we are all geeks
14:50 maximep sorry for the spam on the bugzilla ml yet again. It seems finally our client authorized us to send those patches =)
14:51 sekjal maximep:  huzzah!
14:52 kf huzzah!
14:52 kf I like this k ind of spam :)
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14:52 kf bug 6390 sekjal or paul: can someone of you fix it perhaps? I am sure I have messed it up when signing off
14:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ef, ASSIGNED , Basket only visible for librarian who created it
14:52 kf and still no idea where that comes from only sometimes
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14:53 jcamins Uh-oh. Linode just crashed?
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14:53 kf perhaps only a reconnect?
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14:55 jcamins Yeah, that was mighty fast for a crash.
14:55 sekjal kf:  on my list for tackling today
14:55 sekjal will get it working
14:55 jcamins Momentary routing glitch, I suppose.
14:55 kf sekjal: thx a lot
14:56 paul_p kf I just wanted to finish my tour of all bugs before taking care of this. But sekjal, if you can, please do (it's 5PM here, so only 2 hours left. thx TZs that let us work 24x7 !)
14:56 paul_p (well 24x5 at least !)
14:57 sekjal 24x6, even, with International Date Line
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15:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6978] Notify the user on his account page when it is almost expired. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6978>
15:01 jcamins Hey, viaf has a web interface, doesn't it?
15:02 jcamins s/web/web services/
15:02 jcamins s/web services interface/API/
15:02 jcamins We should have Koha hook into that.
15:06 kf :)
15:10 magnuse not so much an api as a way to add different suffixes to urls, i think?
15:10 jcamins magnuse: hm. I was thinking that would be a nifty cataloging plugin.
15:11 magnuse it would!
15:12 magnuse maximep: shouldn't those bugs that are now "patch sent" also be "needs signoff"? (i might be missing something, though...)
15:12 jcamins On a totally different subject, it seems to me that moving XSLT/whatever rendering to an outside service would be pretty straightforward, if not actually trivial.
15:13 maximep magnuse: hmmm probably
15:15 alex_a wizzyrea ?
15:15 wahanui I LIKE BAO or all about the resluts
15:15 wizzyrea lol hi
15:15 wizzyrea sup
15:16 alex_a wizzyrea: juste did a new xslt for the bug 6919 :p
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6919 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay
15:16 alex_a s/juste/just/
15:16 alex_a so french
15:16 wizzyrea o cool
15:16 alex_a it comes from opac :S but works well
15:16 * sekjal just had an idea for more easily proxying 856$u subfields
15:17 wizzyrea i think that's fine
15:17 wizzyrea i'll check it
15:20 * alex_a prays
15:21 sekjal kf: got patch for bug 6390 to apply
15:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ef, ASSIGNED , Basket only visible for librarian who created it
15:22 sekjal minor merge conflict, which I've resolved.  on to testing
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15:33 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6919] Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6919>
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15:38 sekjal kf: is the intent of 6390 to prevent superlibrarians from seeing all baskets unless the syspref allows it?
15:40 kf no
15:40 kf it lessens
15:40 kf mom
15:40 kf let me find words
15:41 kf at the moment it's very strict
15:41 kf superlibrarians see all, normal users only their own
15:41 kf which is very strict
15:41 kf the intent of the patch is to make it possible to see all of your branch or really all baskets system wide
15:41 kf for normal users
15:41 kf I am not sure how superlibrarians are affected here
15:42 kf I tested with a user without superlibrarian set I think - haven't thought of it
15:42 kf :(
15:42 sekjal kf:  okay.  if I have the syspref set to "mine only", I can only see mine, even as superlibrarian
15:42 sekjal superlibrarians privilege gets no special consideration
15:42 kf ah, than it's to strict for that now
15:42 kf bah.
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15:42 kf too strict even
15:43 kf sekjal: will it be hard to change it so that superlibrarian sees all and for others the syspref is used?
15:43 sekjal kf:  I don't think so
15:44 sekjal just need to add an additional check in the conditional for "OR loggedinuser is superlibrarian"
15:44 sekjal one line should do it
15:44 kf I am packing up here right now
15:45 kf can you leave a comment on the bug?
15:45 sekjal already done :)
15:45 kf will try to get back to it later
15:45 kf thx
15:45 kf ok
15:46 kf the language thing should be easy to fix with a little help from #koha :)
15:47 kf bye all
15:47 sekjal later, kf!
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15:54 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6972] Hardcoded template paths to en in showmarc <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6972>
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16:01 oleonard What is a "Koha target for SFX?"
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16:03 sekjal oleonard: it's an SFX configuration
16:03 sekjal so you can tie your Ex Libris SFX server to your Koha install
16:03 sekjal I forget which direction, though (Koha to SFX, or SFX to Koha)
16:03 * oleonard only knows SFX = "Special Effects"
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16:04 sekjal ah, it's from SFX to Koha
16:05 sekjal Best Koha could do with that is linking at the ISBN/ISSN level
16:05 sekjal (SFX is an electronic resources tracker, and can handle individual volume/issue and even article-level info)
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16:16 oleonard Hi vorstller
16:17 vorstller entering a new books with "Framework > Books, Booklets, Workbooks (BKS)" ... I found all book already "on hold"
16:17 vorstller oleonard: hi
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16:18 vorstller how to resolve this problem.... i need un-hold entries
16:18 oleonard So you saved the record, added items, and then...?
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16:19 vorstller then i switch to OPAC and find the saved book in OPAC its shown already hold
16:19 vorstller Am i missing any step?
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16:20 oleonard Where in the OPAC does it say it is on hold?
16:22 vorstller when i search that specific book.... I am not allowing to hold this book through OPAC
16:24 paul_p bugzilla is down ?
16:24 oleonard paul_p: It is for me too
16:24 oleonard vorstller: It sounds like you may not have a circulation rule set up to allow holds
16:24 paul_p ok, so it means it's time to go back home ! 6:30PM here
16:25 oleonard vorstller: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]faq.html#holdsfaq
16:25 oleonard paul_p: Bugzilla is angry that we've made it work so hard
16:26 paul_p oleonard: was thinking this too ! (+ was wondering if he was unhappy to have 5 "failed QA" consecutively !)
16:27 paul_p on monday, no community work for me = quarterly update of all our customers ! on tuesday, i'll be in Lyon. See you on wednesday !
16:27 paul_p (unless everything go smoothly on monday... may happend...)
16:29 reiveune bye
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16:30 sekjal cheers, paul_p!
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16:30 magnus_afk[…]ystatus-gbsd5.txt yay!
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16:34 gmcharlt paul_p: it's amazing - every time you report that bugzilla down, it seems to be right back up when I log in to check
16:34 gmcharlt in any event, works for me
16:34 paul_p lol. works again for me as well
16:34 paul_p (but this time, owen saw it was down !
16:34 paul_p )
16:35 gmcharlt "Dear linode running do you need more cookies?"
16:35 paul_p (& I got a nasty "mysql is down" page :
16:35 paul_p Software error: Can't connect to the database. Error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)   Is your database installed and up and running?   Do you have the correct username and password selected in localconfig?    For help, please send mail to the webmaster (, giving this error message  and the time and date of the error.
16:35 paul_p ok, time to go back home. Good week end everybody !
16:37 sekjal I also got the error, but it's back up now
16:37 paul_p patches to QA down to 41... keep on good work sekjal ! I've checked all bugs <6879. They are not string-freeze concerned, except for my patches (6328, 5636, 5898, 5981 & maybe a few others)
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17:10 cait good evening #koha
17:12 cait hm silent :)
17:18 nengard hi
17:19 cait hi nengard :)
17:22 * jcamins is going to celebrate pizza Friday in New York. :)
17:31 cait yay! :)
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17:38 nengard meh - don't know if i can finish these help files today
17:38 nengard i'm so tired of looking at them ?.
17:38 nengard bug 6966 needs some sign offs to get in before the string freeze fyi
17:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6966 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Update Help Files for Koha 3.6 Release
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17:40 * cait sendsnengard cookies
17:40 cait if it makes you happy... I will have to translate all those!
17:40 cait I know how it feels
17:41 cait I can already feel it hehe
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17:44 nengard heh
17:58 jcamins Hey, cool. I think ISTC runs on Zebra.
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18:06 jcamins thatcher_lunch: why aren't you trea anymore? :)
18:07 sekjal jcamins:  'cause he's at lunch!
18:07 jcamins sekjal: yeah, right after I said that, I realized my mistake.
18:08 jcamins thatcher_lunch: why did you decide to be thatcher_lunch instead of trea_lunch? :)
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18:15 herj Hi all
18:15 herj Anyone up for a newbie Koha question?
18:15 maximep go ahead and i'm sure someone will answer
18:16 herj Ok. I install koha on my ubuntu 11.04 server. The install seems to have worked. I can login to the system and change settings. However....
18:17 herj I have been unable to add a patron. When I go to Patron and click on "add" nothing happens
18:17 herj I am running Koha 4.02
18:18 jcamins herj: there is no Koha 4.02.
18:18 jcamins If you want support, you should probably install Koha, which you can get from
18:18 herj Hmmm
18:18 jcamins What some people call "Koha 4.02" is actually a different program, based on Koha, from LibLime.
18:19 jcamins (but based on an old version of Koha)
18:19 jcamins No one here uses it, so we can't really offer advice.
18:19 herj Ah, yes. You are correct! I will navigate there. Thank you!
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18:22 leaper Hey all. Is this the place to ask about Liblime Koha?
18:23 rangi no, just about koha, from
18:23 jcamins leaper: I don't think there's anywhere to ask about LibLime Koha, sorry.
18:23 jcamins I mean, no IRC channel. You could call them.
18:24 leaper Bugger..
18:24 leaper Thank you!
18:24 jcamins If you don't have any data in your installation yet, you might want to consider installing Koha.
18:25 rangi of course we would recommend you install actual Koha
18:25 rangi heh, what jcamins said :)
18:25 leaper I don't have any data yet. I have to admit that I installed liblime by accident
18:26 rangi it seems to catch a few ppl that way unfortunately
18:26 rangi what OS are you using?
18:26 leaper Ubuntu Server 11.04
18:27 jcamins Actually, regardless of whether you have data in your installation, you should probably consider it, but if you don't have data in it yet, it'll be easy. :)
18:27 rangi cool
18:27 jcamins leaper: yeah, you want real Koha.
18:27 jcamins Accept no substitutes! (isn't that the tagline of a classic commercial)
18:27 jcamins leaper: good news, installing Koha is easy on Ubuntu. :)
18:27 rangi there is a ppa for it even
18:27 leaper cool!
18:28 leaper I fear removing liblime will be the bigger issue
18:28 rangi
18:32 slef hehehe me suggesting more javascript use
18:32 * slef wanders to dinner
18:32 rangi hehe
18:33 rangi leaper: the packages at should work fine on ubuntu too, they are almost identical
18:33 rangi and there is a good guide on
18:33 rangi i dunno where liblime ils stores it stuff, but you should be able to drop the db, and most likely its all in /usr/share/koha ?
18:40 leaper thanks. I went in deleted everything I could find :) If all else fails I can wipe the system.
18:41 rangi and nuke it from orbit
18:41 * rangi may have watched aliens last night
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18:54 JesseM I LIKE SPACE!
18:56 rangi NateC?
18:56 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
18:56 rangi JesseM?
18:56 JesseM Hey
18:56 rangi awww he doenst know about you
18:56 JesseM rangi
18:56 NateC I like turdles
18:56 rangi cigars and frozen drinks out of a turtle
18:57 NateC nice
18:57 JesseM very nice!!
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19:07 rangi ok time to get up and take atarau to a bday party
19:08 rangi back later
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19:39 nengard I'm DONE!!
19:39 nengard help files are done
19:39 nengard bug 6966 is ready for sign off or pushing (since it's just a copy of the manual)
19:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6966 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Update Help Files for Koha 3.6 Release
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20:53 dschust1 by all been nice hanging!
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21:33 vorstller new book entry not showing in OPAC?
21:34 vorstller I'm using framework:Default
21:34 vorstller Default
21:34 vorstller any sugg. please
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21:43 vorstller chris_n: are u there?
21:43 vorstller gmcharlt: are u there?
21:43 vorstller any buddy please resolve this issue
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21:47 gmcharlt vorstller: what's up?
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22:04 vorstller gmcharlt: new book entry not showing in OPAC? any sugg.
22:05 vorstller gmcharlt: using framework: Default
22:06 vorstller new book entry not showing in OPAC
22:11 gmcharlt vorstller: is set up to run?
22:11 vorstller No
22:12 vorstller gmcharlt: no not now
22:12 vorstller gmcharlt: how I can do that process...?
22:12 gmcharlt well, setting it up to run (assuming you're using Zebra mode, of course) should help
22:12 gmcharlt a couple bits from the FAQ may help
22:12 gmcharlt[…]llingupgrading/#1
22:13 vorstller yes i'm using Zebra mode
22:13 gmcharlt[…]faq/searching/#18
22:15 gmcharlt and[…]b.example;hb=HEAD has an example of what you'll need in the crontab
22:18 vorstller gmcharlt: thanks,, let me read this FAQ , then let back to you with the result
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22:34 gmcharlt @quote random
22:34 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #105: "* wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not* have to add good morning to all of your patches." (added by gmcharlt at 04:11 PM, November 24, 2010)
22:35 gmcharlt ... just for the very polite ones
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23:29 * cait waves
23:48 * jcamins_away waves back
23:48 jcamins_away Pizza is in the oven.
23:48 jcamins_away It's not going to be my best pizza ever.
23:48 jcamins_away I was too hungry to let it rise or anything.
23:53 jcamins_away It should be tasty enough, though.
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