IRC log for #koha, 2011-10-04

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00:19 hguewmLibrarian ok. back again koha ninja-gurus
00:19 hguewmLibrarian best way to script a ftp transaction?
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03:10 druthb o/
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03:25 phlunk3 o/  snail race!!
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03:28 Oak hello druthb :)
03:29 Oak hello #koha
03:29 druthb hi, Oak! :D
03:29 Oak :) what's new?
03:31 druthb not much...workin' on this and that.  :)
03:31 Oak good
03:31 Oak time for breakfast here
03:32 druthb :)
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04:02 phlunk3 yay for 5pm :) seeyas
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04:22 rangi evening
04:31 druthb hi, rangi!
04:36 rangi heya druthb
04:36 rangi where in the world are you now?
04:36 druthb Columbia, TN, just south of Nashville.
04:37 rangi ahh cool
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05:05 cait good morning #koha
05:08 rangi hi cait
05:08 cait evening rangi
05:22 Oak morning
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05:31 Jignesh hi
05:31 wahanui que tal, Jignesh
05:31 Jignesh talk in english
05:32 Jignesh hello
05:32 Jignesh any one is there
05:32 cait Jignesh: wahanui is a bot :)
05:32 cait he sometimes does that, greeting people
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06:29 alex_a hello #koha
06:31 rangi hi alex_a
06:33 alex_a hi rangi
06:38 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:38 cait hi magnuse :)
06:38 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:38 rangi heya magnuse
06:38 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
06:39 magnuse hehe, hiya rangi
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06:45 reiveune hello
06:46 rangi hi reiveune
06:46 ropuch Morning #koha
06:47 rangi cześć ropuch
06:49 cait hi all bye all :)
06:49 cait will be back
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06:58 ropuch The "Limit to currently available items" link in opac search result shoul work out of the box?
06:58 rangi there were some bugs about it, i think they are fixed, but not sure
06:59 ropuch Ok, I'll look into bugzilla ;>
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07:00 magnuse kia ora paul_p
07:04 paul_p kia ora magnus & al
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07:09 kf good morning #koha
07:13 ropuch Hello kf [;
07:13 alex_a kf: \o
07:15 rangi hi paul_p and wb kf
07:16 kf hi all :)
07:16 paul_p hello rangi. is there some RWC11 matches in wellington ? Do you plan to go to see some ?
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07:17 rangi i went to the usa vs australia game
07:17 rangi cant afford the quarter finals
07:18 magnuse :-(
07:18 rangi id go see england vs france
07:19 rangi but that is in auckland
07:19 rangi same as nz vs argentina
07:19 rangi ireland vs wales and south africa vs australia in wellington
07:19 rangi i dont want to pay 150 to see those games
07:20 alex_a rangi: and you'd want to pay 150 to see france ?
07:20 alex_a ;)
07:21 rangi they are due to bounce back, id love to see them beat england :)
07:21 rangi teams i always like to see lose in rugby are, australia, south africa and england
07:21 rangi :)
07:21 magnuse hehe
07:22 alex_a haha
07:22 paul_p rangi, so I fear you're right to save the 150bucks for FR-EN. Because i'm not sure at all that you would have seen frenchies winning... frankly, i wouldn't bet a penny on them...
07:22 alex_a but it seems unlikely
07:22 rangi yeah, not the way they are playing at the moment
07:23 paul_p what does newspapers say about french game ?
07:23 rangi mostly focusing on tonga, which i think is good
07:23 rangi they did play way above what they normally play
07:23 paul_p (here, they say things like "they are the worst team ever: no plan, no leader, no revolt,..."
07:23 paul_p )
07:23 rangi dont want to detract from them by talking about french mistakes too much
07:24 rangi i think, its the forwards
07:24 paul_p well, we loose against italy 5 months ago too, so it's not only Tonga playing better than usual.
07:24 rangi yup
07:26 rangi i think the coach might be in trouble
07:27 paul_p I bet for a final England-New Zealand. And victory of new zealand by 20 points.
07:27 rangi hmm, i think wales nz
07:28 rangi but you might be right
07:28 rangi it will be boring rugby vs running rugby
07:28 paul_p I would be happy to see wales, but they may be feared by winning a semi-final for the 1st time ever. And miss their match.
07:29 paul_p boring rugby--, running rugby++, /me will be for NZ, definetly.
07:29 rangi england = kick, kick kick kick kick, run fall over lose the ball forward, kick kick kick
07:29 paul_p and even in case of France<>NZ final, i'm not sure I would be unhappy to see all blacks winning...
07:30 magnuse run run run fall down kick in the face
07:30 rangi lol
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07:33 magnuse rea jr is my hero when it comes to sports commentary ;-)
07:34 rangi heh yes
07:34 magnuse ooh, i'm looking forward to hearing the results of the kohacon12 vote tomorrow!
07:39 rangi :)
07:39 kf :)
07:39 kf scotland!
07:39 wahanui rumour has it scotland is pretty wicked too
07:40 magnuse norway got it's koha co-op one week ago, while i was sitting in a ferry half way to lofoten, here's the google translate version of an article about the founding meeting:[…]e.php%3Fid%3D2654
07:41 rangi woo hoo
07:41 magnuse ouch, i see now that the link to koha is wrong
07:41 magnuse i'm on it!
07:42 rangi :)
07:42 rangi it happens
07:43 magnuse :-/
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07:43 kf big news magnuse!
07:43 rangi great news!
07:44 magnuse yup!
07:45 magnuse i'll ask thomas gramstad to introduce the organization properly on the list or in the newsletter
07:45 rangi awesome
07:46 rangi should send a press release to m breeding too
07:46 magnuse yeah, very good point!
07:46 magnuse and i'll remind everyone about which website we want to promote
07:46 rangi :)
07:48 kf magnuse++
07:49 rangi thats awesome news
07:49 rangi go scandanavia!
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07:52 kf donum++
07:52 kf (hopes she got that right)
07:52 kf should start with some positive karma
07:53 magnuse kf: quite right!
08:00 rangi donum++
08:01 magnuse yay!
08:09 magnuse the link in the article is fixed now
08:10 rangi wow that was fast
08:10 magnuse hehe yep
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08:13 rangi man its cold tonight
08:13 rangi @wunder wellington nz
08:13 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
08:13 magnuse @wunder boo
08:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Steady).
08:13 rangi heh
08:14 magnuse ;-)
08:15 rangi 8.5°C
08:15 rangi Feels like 4°c
08:15 rangi
08:15 magnuse ouch
08:15 rangi thats more like it
08:16 magnuse at least you are heading towards summer
08:16 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:16 kf fog
08:16 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
08:16 rangi like the rugby ball in the forecast?
08:16 kf need no crystal ball for that
08:16 magnuse heh
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09:12 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:12 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0�C (11:00 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
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09:50 rangi  <-- interesting
09:55 magnuse yay
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10:02 kf oh
10:02 kf I saw a presentation from them I think
10:02 kf
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11:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6879] Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6879>
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12:25 kf nengard around?
12:25 nengard yup
12:25 nengard :)
12:25 kf ah hi :)
12:25 kf I had talked to mpelletier on the chat before he sent his bugfix :)
12:25 kf I think he is only repairing the datail page, not the summary page
12:26 kf but it's an improvement
12:26 kf (actual price thingy)
12:26 kf the second screenshot is when you edit an order line
12:27 nengard kf ? oh!!! I get it, so you didn't close the basket - i tested on a closed basket so I didn't see the edit option
12:28 nengard and I'll change the status to signed off then if that's just the first patch
12:28 kf it should still be noted
12:28 kf but happy to see it getting better :)
12:28 nengard oh wait - not i won't
12:29 nengard hang on i'll put new images up there
12:30 kf ok
12:31 nengard updated
12:31 kf hmpf
12:31 kf have you tried the javascript thing?
12:31 nengard also, there is another bug report out there with a patch about storing actual price
12:31 kf perhaps it's still in cache?
12:32 kf there is one for not showing it as spent correctly - I had signed off on it
12:32 kf you had filed it
12:32 kf so glad someone else is testing acq - hope to get the most evil things out of it before release
12:33 nengard i tried shift refresh on the order line and it's still wrong
12:34 kf looking at the patch it seems not to change the javascript really, only relabeling some fields?
12:34 kf hm.
12:34 oleonard Hi #koha
12:35 kf he puts the unit price in there
12:35 kf which seems wrong
12:35 oleonard paul_p_ around?
12:37 kf nengard: hmmm - which field in the database is actual price saved to?
12:37 kf perhaps it IS unitprice
12:37 nengard unitprice
12:37 kf I am checkign our database right now and it looks right
12:37 kf ok
12:37 nengard I checked the db when testing
12:37 kf and that's what the patch does
12:37 nengard hi oleonard
12:37 kf weird it#s not working
12:37 kf hi oleonard .)
12:37 nengard it's not working cause that field isn't queried in the pages I think
12:37 * oleonard hands kf an eye patch
12:38 kf lol thx
12:38 kf nengard: ?
12:39 nengard kf, he only updated the template for
12:39 nengard maybe the template for the other page doesn't actually look at the unitprice field in the database
12:39 kf yes, but it's not working there right?
12:39 kf oh, is the edit template different?
12:40 kf basket summary is wrong - his patch doesn't touch it
12:40 nengard oh ? duh
12:40 nengard no you're right
12:40 nengard it's the same template
12:40 nengard maybe the edit is in the wrong place
12:40 nengard i don't know
12:40 kf me neither
12:40 kf hm
12:40 kf oleonard might know
12:40 kf ...
12:41 kf bug 5516
12:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5516 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ybeddyj, RESOLVED FIXED, Error in instructions
12:41 kf ah, no not that one
12:41 kf bug 6879
12:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary
12:43 oleonard What's the question?
12:44 kf why it doesn't work
12:45 kf because it looks so logical
12:45 kf oh
12:45 kf maybe something else is overwriting it ? the javascript calculation thing maybe?
12:49 kf sorry for not making much sense today
12:49 oleonard @later tell paul_p_ We should add the source for the KOCT to git
12:49 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
12:49 * oleonard finds it's simple to hack the KOCT to remember the patron barcode between transactions
12:50 paul_p_ oleonard, true
12:50 paul_p_ (& good morning)
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12:51 * paul_p was wondering wether we should add it to koha or to another git repo. We could have KOCT evolving with different timelines. For example, one could release KOCT v2.0 with a new design, i18n, ... in december
12:51 oleonard If I go to the funds page and I have no budgets, shouldn't I be warned that I have no budgets?
12:51 * paul_p vote for project !
12:52 paul_p oleonard, if you have no budgets in the database yes. But if you just have no bugdet applicable to your login/branch/permission, not sure
12:52 kf oleonard: yes?
12:53 kf paul_p: I think an extra project would be ok for that
12:53 paul_p should I add a topic to the irc general meeting ?
12:53 kf paul_p: making it work for different firefox versions for example
12:53 kf paul_p: not the same timeline as our koha releases :)
12:54 kf nengard: are you going to mark failed qua?
12:54 nengard kf i did
12:54 nengard yes
12:54 kf I see that now , - sorry
12:54 kf lots of things today
12:54 nengard no prob
12:54 nengard i totally understand
12:54 nengard it's only my first full week back at work, so i'm also trying to do too much at once :)
12:55 kf how is it gonig?
12:55 kf your hip and all :)
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13:06 kf hi talljoy
13:08 talljoy hiya!
13:08 oleonard Was trying to test 6879 but I can't even create a new basket
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13:09 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
13:09 oleonard Hi brad, jcamins
13:10 brad hello, Can anyone tell me what emailpro and phonepro are used for on the bulk patron import in Koha?
13:11 brad it is actually night here, Thailand
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13:12 oleonard brad: They were originally defined as "work email" and "work phone" I think, but in the current version they're labeled "secondary"
13:12 kf oleonard: where are you stuck?
13:12 kf sometimes I wish you could edit your own comments in bugzilla :( typos--
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13:12 kf hi trea
13:13 brad not stuck, just wanted to put the right data in the right place
13:13 oleonard kf: I'm on and the supplier id isn't coming through to the template.
13:13 oleonard "new basket" link looks like this:
13:13 brad i thought it might be for the proffesional gauranteer
13:15 kf hm
13:15 kf I always create from the start page, searching all vendors
13:15 kf and then clicking new basket from the result list
13:15 brad the current version is still labled emailpro, i think the csv template is the same as the version from 2 years ago
13:15 kf another template toolkit thing I bet :(
13:15 kf like I said, good to get more people testing there
13:16 oleonard brad: I mean the label in the patron add form. The database table is still named emailpro
13:16 oleonard table column, that is
13:17 brad that's cool i didn't see it on the patron add form
13:17 brad emailpro
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13:18 oleonard kf: I assumed it must be working for others if you and nengard are able to test the bug.
13:18 kf different way to create the basket
13:18 kf is my guess
13:19 kf do you have more than one vendor?
13:19 nengard what bug are we talking about
13:19 nengard sorry was working
13:19 oleonard Working?!
13:19 * oleonard is outraged
13:19 kf oleonard: ok, I tested in 3.4.4 right now
13:19 kf vendor detail page > manage orders > new basket works for me there
13:20 brad just did a view source on the add patron page it is work email :-)
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13:20 kf vendor search result list > new basket works for me too
13:20 kf oleonard: where have you been looking?
13:21 oleonard I'm working with a fairly fresh database, just added a my first vendor. It got added with a NULL id!
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13:21 brad thanks
13:22 brad have a good night :-)
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13:22 maximep good morning #koha =)
13:23 oleonard That's why I couldn't add a basket
13:23 kf ouch
13:23 kf you didn#t name it null right?
13:23 kf because I did that once to test something with empty fields and got weird results :)
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13:25 oleonard No, didn't name it null. But even though I've corrected my vendor entry I still can't create a basket. I wonder if my database is just messed up.
13:25 kf :(
13:25 kf what happens when you create a second vendor?
13:25 kf anything in the logs?
13:26 oleonard Hm, yeah... tons.
13:27 oleonard DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`aqbasket`, CONSTRAINT `aqbasket_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`booksellerid`) REFERENCES `aqbooksellers` (`id`) ON UPDATE CASCADE) at C4/ line 188
13:32 kf huh
13:32 kf when creating a new vendor?
13:32 paul_p can anyone tell me how to activate Recent comments view for the OPAC (allow users to see recently reviewed) ? (which syspref probably ?)
13:32 paul_p I see that for the 1st time in 3.4.0 release notes !
13:33 kf paul_p: I think this is  a new featuer for 3.6 actually?
13:33 kf not aware of that in 3.4 - but might be wrong
13:33 paul_p kf, well, it's in the releases notes of 3.4.0 :
13:33 * paul_p not aware too ;-)
13:34 kf oh
13:34 paul_p kf, note in your agenda we will organize a European Hackfest #2 in Marseille in march 2012 ( exact dates tbd)
13:34 oleonard It's there and active, it just doesn't have a link
13:35 kf bug 4473
13:35 oleonard
13:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4473 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Recent comments view for the OPAC
13:35 kf paul_p: ah, march?
13:35 paul_p kf, yep
13:35 kf paul_p: have you seen kohacon might take place earlier next year?
13:36 kf I had hoped for something in autumn perhaps :)
13:36 paul_p april was a little bit too late.
13:36 paul_p kf, we saw (and I hope the KohaCon will take place un UK), that was the 2nd reason to set in march = 3 months before KohaCon
13:36 kf hm ok
13:37 paul_p we feel automn will be a little bit late/too far
13:37 kf I was thinking before the next release then
13:37 kf but first of all: great you are doing it again!
13:39 oleonard It's easy enough to add a "recent comments" link alongside "advanced search," "tag cloud," etc, but should it have a system preference?
13:39 paul_p oleonard, all other options have one, so I think yes.
13:40 paul_p I searched "recent" and "comments" in sysprefs, and could not find anything
13:41 kf paul_p: voting for a new system preference? ;)
13:41 kf but I agree - it's consistent
13:42 paul_p kf, yes, in french we say "exception confirm the rule" ;-)
13:42 ropuch Same in polish ;>
13:42 kf same in german too
13:42 kf 'ausnahmen bestätigen die regel'
13:43 ropuch I have some encoding issue on this terminal, so Ill spare you polish version in original ;>
13:43 jcamins In English that's "the exception that proves the rule."
13:46 jcamins :)
13:49 kf :)
13:50 maximep nengard: looking at your last comment on bug 6879. I have no idea of why it wouldn't work for you, unless the patch didn't apply :S
13:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary
13:51 maximep but if it didn't apply, it would show nothing. /me is confused
13:52 nengard hmm
13:52 nengard let me try a different browser
13:54 nengard maximep i just opened a new browser for the first time today and it's not showing ? i'm on mac and tested on FF7 and Chome
13:54 nengard Chrome
13:54 nengard not sure if that matters at all .. it shouldn't
13:54 maximep it's not showing ?
13:54 maximep still 99?
13:55 kf nengard: perhaps check your git log?
13:55 kf to see if the patch is there
13:56 * oleonard is scatter-brained this morning
13:58 nengard oh my ? i know what it is
13:59 nengard the patch wasn't a txt file when i first applied and didn't realize that bz apply didn't apply it :) hehe
13:59 nengard but my question is this - how does it work with the other actual price patch?
13:59 nengard do they clash?
13:59 maximep is there another?
14:01 nengard signed off
14:01 wahanui signed off is approval
14:01 nengard bug 4831
14:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Actual Price being ignored after receive
14:02 nengard maximep next time you attach a patch to a bug, check the box that says 'patch' so that bugzilla knows that it's a patch file and so that it works with git bz :)
14:02 maximep nengard: yeah, learned that. You have to show the advanced options to see that checkbox on the new bug page
14:02 maximep so didn't see it at first :/
14:03 nengard no problem!
14:03 nengard i was sleepy this morning and didn't notice it wasn't checked so that's why the patch didn't actually apply
14:03 maximep I think my patch was made after 4831
14:03 maximep so it shouldnt clash
14:03 maximep but there's some stuff I don't understand in those parts of the code
14:03 nengard but 4831 hasn't been pushed ? has it?
14:04 nengard oh yes it has!
14:04 nengard awsome
14:04 nengard awesome
14:05 maximep nengard: should bug 6414 be marked as duplicate of 6879 ?
14:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6414 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , actual price not recorded when ordering
14:05 nengard i think so
14:05 nengard yes
14:07 kf oh
14:07 kf so you can do order and receive in one step then? right?
14:08 kf when you order and fill in the actual price at the same time?
14:08 kf because that would be neat :)
14:09 maximep my use case for doing the patch is after receiving the order
14:09 maximep there was no way to change the actual price
14:09 kf yep
14:09 kf we are getting there in acq
14:10 maximep we have so many more patches in that section :/
14:10 kf maximep: do you have a repo for those?
14:10 kf new features or more bug fixes?
14:10 maximep no, but sending them in bug reports
14:11 maximep both
14:12 kf I was thinking with a public repo perhaps some people could help porting them
14:12 maximep we can't do a public repo of our code
14:12 kf ok
14:12 maximep client picks what we can send
14:13 kf on another thing: I had someone suggesting a way to create a suggestion from a z39.50 search
14:13 kf like: search the staff interface > found nothing > click on z39.50 > don't import the record into the catalog, but make a suggestion from it
14:14 kf good or bad idea?
14:14 kf do we have a way to do that? and I missed it?
14:15 oleonard Do we even have a way for someone to create a suggestion from the staff interface?
14:15 wizzyrea errm
14:15 wizzyrea kf that's quite brilliant
14:15 wizzyrea that's a good idea
14:16 trea ^^
14:17 wizzyrea kf ,yes you can create a purchase suggestion
14:17 wizzyrea on /cgi-bin/koha/suggestion/
14:17 wizzyrea "new purchase suggestion"
14:17 wizzyrea which you probably already found.
14:17 oleonard I'll bet you have to have suggestions management permission for that
14:17 wizzyrea probably
14:17 wahanui rumour has it probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here
14:17 wizzyrea lol
14:17 wizzyrea forget probably
14:17 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot probably
14:18 * wizzyrea considers the word probably
14:18 kf wizzyrea: but using an existing record or one from the reservoir?
14:18 oleonard Not only that, suggestion management is locked into acquisition management
14:18 kf oleonard: you can do new suggestions, but you can't use an existing record for that I think
14:18 kf or a downloaded one
14:18 wizzyrea no, that isn't curerently possible I don't think
14:18 wizzyrea
14:18 wizzyrea suggestion management should be locked to cataloging
14:18 wizzyrea instead of ac
14:19 kf oleonard: not necessarily I think, only if you want to inform about ordered and available. (being locked)
14:19 wizzyrea acq
14:19 kf perhaps we need both workflows
14:19 kf keep it flexible
14:19 wizzyrea *nod*
14:19 kf we are creating items in acq and cataloging
14:19 kf and both makes sense
14:19 kf depending on the library using it
14:19 kf I am filing an enh :)
14:19 kf yu can do another about unlocking hehe
14:19 oleonard kf: I don't see a granular permission for just suggestions
14:19 kf oleonard: I don't think there is one
14:20 oleonard right, I'm saying that significantly limits the ability of staff to make suggestions
14:21 kf bug 6967
14:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6967 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Create suggestion from z39.50 / existing records
14:21 wizzyrea making suggestions should be available to circ staff.
14:21 wizzyrea that's just how it is
14:22 wizzyrea patron says "hey do you have..." and staff says "no, let me put in your suggestion"
14:22 kf oleonard: not sure I can follow - what is the perm problem?
14:22 kf oleonard: do you need acq rights to access suggestions?
14:22 wizzyrea doh, I'm a circ clerk, i don't have perms
14:22 wizzyrea that's dumb.
14:22 kf ah
14:22 kf right
14:22 kf yep it should
14:22 wizzyrea we let patrons do that
14:22 wizzyrea PATRONS
14:22 kf or they would have to use the opac form
14:22 kf they could do that
14:23 kf or even be able to do a suggestion for a patron?
14:23 kf and what would be need to is add a hold for a book
14:23 wizzyrea right, but I don't think that's really fair
14:23 oleonard Hmm.... from flagsrequired   => { catalogue => 1 }
14:23 wizzyrea to ask the staff to log into the opac
14:23 kf for the person suggesting it
14:23 wizzyrea just to make a suggestion
14:23 wizzyrea certainly the staff could train patrons to make suggestions
14:23 wizzyrea patron education is always good
14:23 kf wizzyrea: only thinking about a workaround for now - I agree it's not the best thing
14:23 wizzyrea right
14:23 wizzyrea i kno :)
14:24 kf wizzyrea: what about a checkbox 'place a hold for me on this suggeston'?
14:24 kf in the suggestion form? in opac especially
14:24 wizzyrea that is another great idea
14:24 wizzyrea or "if this item is acquired, place a hold"
14:24 wizzyrea but you'd have to be using acquisitions
14:24 wizzyrea or have a way to link the suggestion to an eventual bib outside of acquisitions
14:25 kf lol
14:25 kf and one I had before: bug 1887
14:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1887 enhancement, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW , Managing Suggestions - hold books for patron who requested
14:25 wizzyrea tee hee
14:25 wizzyrea 1887!
14:25 kf yep
14:25 kf oooold
14:25 wizzyrea that's old!
14:25 jcamins A good year!
14:25 wizzyrea keke
14:26 wizzyrea <3 I do that exact thing at the checkout lane at grocery stores: "Your total is 19.67" "oh, that was a great year"
14:26 wizzyrea get the funniest looks.
14:26 wizzyrea it would be even better if it was like
14:26 wizzyrea 20.34
14:26 wizzyrea "man that was a great year for wine"
14:26 wizzyrea "gotta go get in my tardis"
14:26 kf hehe
14:27 oleonard "Oh yay, date of the robot invasion!"
14:27 wizzyrea ^^ heeeee!
14:27 kf today is not friday!
14:27 kf back to work everyone
14:27 wizzyrea "oh man, you don't wanna know what happens then..."
14:27 wizzyrea sorry sorry
14:27 wizzyrea srs time is srs
14:27 * oleonard snickers
14:28 kf wizzyrea: I am quoting you on the bug
14:28 oleonard
14:28 wizzyrea is one of those multi phase pages
14:28 wizzyrea kekeke
14:29 wizzyrea which bug
14:29 wizzyrea oleonard:
14:29 kf 1883
14:29 kf um 1887
14:30 wizzyrea o okies
14:30 kf on another thing
14:30 wizzyrea ic, cool.
14:30 kf i was told we are doing it all wrong
14:30 * wizzyrea gasps
14:30 kf because in koha you do vendor > basket > order line
14:30 kf > (items)
14:31 kf and it should be:  items with a status ordered and a vendor and other inofrmation created
14:31 kf and create orders logically from that
14:31 kf by used fund or vendor
14:32 * wizzyrea ponders
14:33 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4473] Recent comments view for the OPAC <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4473>
14:33 oleonard Bam!
14:38 * jcamins goes to talk about teaching [with] Koha to library students.
14:38 kf oleonard is like batman :)
14:38 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
14:38 kf bam!
14:38 jcamins_away I feel like I've missed an important cultural thingy. This is the second time someone has referenced batman, and I really haven't gotten the reference either time (I know who batman is, but that's pretty much it).
14:39 oleonard jcamins_away: Never saw the 60's TV Batman?
14:40 maximep, right ?
14:40 * oleonard is actually referencing TV chef Emeril Lagasse via Chef Elzar on Futurama
14:40 wizzyrea spicy!
14:43 * oleonard wonders what the other Batman reference was
14:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6867] datelastseen is not imported from marc file <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6867>
14:47 * oleonard says "Bam!" on behalf of druthb
14:51 trea oh Elzar
14:52 trea you always knock it up a notch
14:52 wizzyrea keke
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15:03 NateC Hi #Koha
15:03 oleonard paul_p, can I ask a question about the batch biblio mod tool?
15:04 paul_p oleonard, sure
15:04 NateC Say Hello to the New England Library Association Conference!
15:04 wizzyrea hiyas :)
15:04 oleonard paul_p: It's not clear to me how to add a whole new tag. Is it possible?
15:05 paul_p yes it is, but not in 1 step : 1st add a tag with 1 subfield, then add subfields
15:05 paul_p hi NateC
15:05 oleonard paul_p: Field [650], Subfield [Whole field], Action [Create field and subfield] ?
15:06 paul_p yep
15:06 oleonard What do I put in value? How does it know which subfield I'm adding?
15:10 oleonard paul_p: ?
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15:14 paul_p oleonard, I can't answer now, working on something else & don't have the right branch at hand to test/check
15:14 * oleonard will wait
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15:36 reiveune bye
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15:41 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6966] Update Help Files for Koha 3.6 Release <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6966>
15:52 maximep Anyone is using tags ? Trying to use them in master in and they seem completly broken to me :S
15:53 nengard broken how, i use them on my test system fine
15:53 maximep looking at the code, it seems to always output Log in to add tags
15:54 maximep but the template is hard to read as it seems to be indented completly wrong
15:59 nengard oleonard did you look in to the highlighting on the z39.50 search page? the partner says he knows it was there - he says maybe in 3.0 .. anyway, just wondering what you found
16:00 oleonard 3.0? We didn't have that little inline menu in 3.0...
16:00 oleonard I tinkered with it yesterday and came up with some ideas, but nothing I'm satisfied with yet
16:00 kf maximep: only one library using it - in 3.2.2 - interested in problems you have found
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16:05 nengard thanks for looking
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16:16 oleonard Somehow the bix for Bug 6576 has broken auto-fill of the leader in the MARC edit screen. I wonder if it's also behind Bug 6959
16:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data
16:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page
16:17 hdl1 oleonard: what is the reason to store virtualshelves in C4::Auth session ?
16:17 hdl1 oleonard: it seems weird that when ppl delete a virtualshelf or add a new one, the session param is not updated.
16:18 hdl1 is there any reason I miss  ?
16:18 oleonard hdl1: I don't know. I vaguely remember when that was done but I don't remember the reason.
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16:23 kf hdl: making the var accessible in lots of templates?
16:24 kf only guessing :(
16:24 kf probably meaning something totally different, ignore me
16:24 wizzyrea git question: is there a way to make sure/retroactively apply tracking to a branch?
16:24 wizzyrea speaking of questions that don't make sense
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16:32 hdl1 kf: it could be interesting if it could be updated when virtualshelves are updated.
16:32 hdl1 But the current behaviour is misleading.
16:33 oleonard Fun.... viewing source on crashes my Firefox :|
16:33 hdl1 ah:D
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16:36 * Oak waves
16:36 kf hi Oak :)
16:36 Oak hello kf :]
16:36 kf seems the next shift is here... time to leave :)
16:36 kf bye all
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16:38 oleonard Heh, almost crashed Chrome too.
16:38 wizzyrea O.O
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16:40 oleonard This could be an indication that our MARC editor could slim down a bit
16:42 wizzyrea heh
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16:44 wizzyrea how did I not know that you can batch edit from a list
16:44 * wizzyrea facepalms
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16:49 oleonard Yeah, looks to me like the fix for  Bug 6576 is the cause of Bug 6959.
16:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data
16:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page
16:49 wizzyrea frownyface
16:49 wizzyrea can we fix both?
16:49 wizzyrea sorry that's a dumb question
16:49 wizzyrea are they mutually exclusive?
16:50 oleonard I assume not, but I haven't actually examined the changes in 6576, just isolated the offending commit
16:50 oleonard git_bisect++
16:50 wizzyrea :)
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16:54 sekjal oleonard:  hmmm, if that's the case, this is my fault.  will look into a solution
16:57 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6954] z39.50 results highlighting not sticking <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6954>
16:57 sekjal I think I found the problem with 6959
16:57 sekjal framework code
16:58 * wizzyrea probably had something to do with it too
16:58 wizzyrea oleonard: how do you even get to the batch bib edit
16:58 wizzyrea i'm looking at the patch, I'm mystified.
16:58 oleonard From the tools page
16:59 oleonard Just below batch item edit and delete
17:03 oleonard What makes a set of data (for instance, issues data) available to a notice?
17:05 sekjal oleonard:  depends on the notice
17:06 wizzyrea i feel like I'm taking crazy pills
17:06 wizzyrea I've applied the patch for bug 5725, plus owen's follow up
17:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios
17:06 wizzyrea and I don't see any of it
17:07 * wizzyrea blames sunspots
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17:07 oleonard You don't have the link on the tools page?
17:07 wizzyrea no
17:07 * wizzyrea will try it again
17:07 wizzyrea i must have done something dumb. it's been one of those kind of days.
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17:08 oleonard Works for me after applying the patches on a fresh branch
17:08 wizzyrea i'll do it again.
17:08 oleonard wizzyrea: Permissions problem?
17:08 wizzyrea no, my user is a superlibrarian.
17:09 cait hi again all :)
17:19 wizzyrea hi cait
17:20 wizzyrea well something has gone wrong on my test server apparently
17:20 * wizzyrea gives in to the universe and runs screaming
17:21 cait ?
17:22 wizzyrea seems like the tech gremlins are out in force this week
17:22 wizzyrea I've had about enough of it
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17:27 sekjal patch for 6959 sent
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17:28 cait bug 6959
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page
17:29 nengard_lunch oleonard do you want to test 6959?
17:29 nengard_lunch is now known as nengard
17:29 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6959] Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6959>
17:30 * oleonard will
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17:32 Brooke kia ora
17:33 nengard anyone have any strong opinions on bug 6954?
17:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking
17:33 nengard hi Brooke
17:34 Brooke the only feeling I have on that
17:34 Brooke is that I don't think it properly counts as a new feature
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17:37 Oak Brooke !!!
17:37 Brooke Oak!
17:37 Brooke What a nice surpise
17:37 Oak really?
17:37 Oak :)
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18:07 veel28 hi, I would like to find out if 1) librarian can input chinese (& english) characters into koha, 2) can koha run on mac 3)can user access koha remotely?
18:08 wizzyrea re: 2, you mean the server can run on mac? or the user can use it from a mac?
18:09 wizzyrea 3. users can always access koha remotely, as long as they have access to the server.
18:09 veel28 server can run on mac
18:09 wizzyrea I'm sure it can be done, but it's probably not optimal.
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18:10 veel28 what about chines characters? can the library input Chinese chracters onto Koha?
18:10 wizzyrea I don't see why not, but I'm definitely not an encoding/languages expert
18:11 veel28 Thanks so much for the quick response, by the way.
18:11 ropuch Why not?
18:11 ropuch ;>
18:11 * wizzyrea moans about how there are a zillion things to know about koha and one person can't know them all (except maybe rangi_
18:13 jcamins_away veel28: I would recommend against trying to run the server on a Mac, although it's probably _possible_.
18:13 wizzyrea you would probably be better off running a virtualbox on your mac
18:13 wizzyrea with debian in it
18:14 sekjal veel28:  running Koha on a Mac server would be.... VERY challenging
18:14 sekjal if you can get it working, we'd love to see your notes
18:14 veel28 Thanks.  Good to know.
18:14 sekjal but some of the dependencies may have to be compiled from scratch
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18:33 oleonard sekjal: Signed off. I guess I'll file another bug for the leader autofill bug.
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18:39 Brooke do we draw our facets from GSAFD?[…]dataPrefix=z39_19
18:40 Brooke or are they pulled from the records themselves which either draw on that or our collective beans?
18:43 oleonard Brooke: facets are drawn from the records in the search results
18:43 Brooke ta
18:44 oleonard Bug 6970 is the weirdest bug I've seen in a whlie
18:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page
18:45 oleonard Wasn't Firefox 7 supposed to be a big improvement? Mine has been so sluggish...
18:49 * magnuse hasn't noticed any great differences, except http:// is hidden in the URL "field"
18:49 rangi morning
18:50 magnuse kia ora rangi
18:50 rangi ata marie magnuse
18:50 magnuse yay
18:51 rangi ohh some kiva credit available
18:52 trea is now known as trea_lunch
18:53 rangi koha group has loaned out over 300 now
18:53 cait :)
18:59 * magnuse *should* get around to engaging with kiva some day soon
18:59 Brooke morena rangi
19:00 rangi heya Brooke
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19:04 cait magnuse: it's easy - register, get money, loan
19:06 rangi hmm
19:06 magnuse cait: yeah, i know... but how do you figure out who to give loans to?
19:06 rangi isn't there a delete/edit link on news items?
19:06 rangi in the staff client?
19:07 oleonard Yes, if you have the right permissions
19:07 cait magnuse: that's the hardest part, but not so hard. you can do it.
19:07 * rangi fails to understand the mail to the mailing list
19:10 cait which?
19:11 oleonard Did you respond rangi?
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19:11 sekjal anyone know why Koha's sessions don't expire?
19:11 rangi nope oleonard
19:11 * oleonard will
19:11 jcamins So I was just talking with Thomas Krichel. He thought that the packages were configured such that only one Zebra daemon was indexing multiple databases. Is this true?
19:12 rangi no
19:12 magnuse cait: maybe i'll ask for some advice one of these days
19:12 magnuse ;-)
19:12 jcamins rangi: okay, that's what I thought, thanks.
19:12 sekjal CGI::Session has an expire() function that will delete the server-side session after some period of time
19:12 rangi yep
19:12 rangi but we use an inactivity timeout
19:13 rangi does it check that?
19:13 rangi not an absolute timeout
19:14 * rangi uses memcached for sessions, inactive ones get cleaned up for free
19:14 rangi plus a lot less db noise
19:14 rangi bbiab
19:14 rangi my stop
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19:17 sekjal rangi: CGI::Session->expire() uses relative timeout
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19:21 rangi cool, the only issue with that then, would be it wont change the timeout if the syspref changes, but thats ok
19:22 sekjal rangi:  perhaps setting it as a longer-term fallback value
19:22 sekjal like a day
19:22 sekjal just so the system doesn't clutter up
19:22 sekjal not an issue with memcached, I know
19:22 rangi yup
19:22 sekjal and we've got the cronjob for mysql
19:22 sekjal but for /tmp
19:23 sekjal one needs a separate cron that's not bundled with Koha
19:23 sekjal or regular restarts
19:23 rangi yep, couldnt hurt
19:23 rangi a day of inactivity seems like a decent fallback
19:23 sekjal and it looks like each time get_session is called, it creates a new session
19:24 sekjal oh, no
19:24 sekjal reading further
19:24 sekjal the second param always for reading existing
19:25 sekjal wow, it feels like 5 or 6 in the evening already, for some reason
19:25 rangi heh
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19:26 * oleonard wonders what that disconnection was about
19:26 Brooke it's only half 8 in the morning. toughen up mate. ;)
19:27 magnuse sekjal: i betcha it is 5 or 6 in the evening somewhere... ;-)
19:27 sekjal Greenland?
19:27 Brooke it's beer o clock in Brasil
19:27 ibeardslee only 1/2 8, but still feel like I'm overdue on about 3 cups of coffee
19:28 magnuse sekjal: probably
19:28 oleonard I was able to log out just fine a moment ago, and now I can't once again.
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19:33 Brooke "For instance, 1,970 fiction access points were employed by online bookstores: 1,005 by and 965 by Barnes and Noble. The two reader advisory databases used a combined total of 1,381 access points, and the two library OPACs only 1,104."
19:33 rangi man, theres a crapload of stuff on the agenda for the meeting
19:33 Brooke yep
19:33 Brooke yep there is
19:33 jcamins Wait, is there a meeting today?
19:33 Brooke tomorrow
19:33 wahanui somebody said tomorrow was pizza friday!
19:34 Brooke somebody lied, waha
19:34 magnuse i wish, wahanui
19:34 wahanui magnuse: what?
19:34 jcamins wahanui: tomorrow is also the day after today.
19:34 wahanui okay, jcamins.
19:34 rangi in about 15 hours
19:34 magnuse whoever is going to chair better do so with an iron fist... ;-)
19:35 jcamins Good thing Brooke is going to be doing that. :)
19:35 jcamins Very iron-fisted, is Brooke.
19:35 Brooke am I really driving the bus again?
19:35 rangi hmmm interesting
19:35 wahanui interesting is good
19:35 jcamins Brooke: apparently so.
19:35 rangi[…]I3Z2757LG90M7P555
19:35 jcamins Someone just said that.
19:37 rangi also
19:37 rangi[…]urce-library.html
19:39 magnuse "Koha is an amazing Integrated Library System (ILS)"
19:39 magnuse agreed
19:40 * oleonard wonders if he has what it takes to be a CYBER CODER
19:41 * oleonard puts his resume on his Jazz drive and heads for CA
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19:42 rangi hehe
19:42 phlunk3 morning o/
19:42 rangi hey phlunk3
19:42 wahanui i guess phlunk3 is being asked if I want marc21 or unimarc, so I guess I need to go and look at the old server and see what was used there, does anyone know where I can see that info?
19:43 cait forget phlunk3
19:43 wahanui cait: I forgot phlunk3
19:43 phlunk3 :( don't forget me guys.
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19:43 Brooke aww <3
19:43 wizzyrea how could we possibly ;)
19:44 phlunk3 I even came today without any stupid questions :)
19:44 * wizzyrea didn't realize that stupid questions existed
19:45 magnuse the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked ;-)
19:45 sekjal bug 6970: I think I know what it may be
19:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page
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19:45 phlunk3 okay okay, I didn't come with a question I forgot the answer to after asking it just days ago (ie, I came, less stupidly?)
19:46 magnuse you came, that's all that matters ;-)
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19:49 rangi what was for lunch melia ?
19:51 melia roasted veggies (potatoes, carrots, parsnip, beetroot), pattypan squash (breaded and fried), and a steamed vegetable medley of broccoli, yellow wax beans, and red capsicum
19:51 melia (lots of side item dinner leftovers)
19:51 Brooke mmmmm capsicum
19:51 magnuse wow, that's some lunch!
19:51 rangi yum
19:52 * magnuse just had the first lamb chops of the season for dinner :-)
19:52 * Brooke drools.
19:52 Brooke Balducci's had a squash stuffed with wild rice that I nearly got, but I was jonesin for my usual.
20:00 oleonard sekjal: Strange that the delBasket function didn't cause the error in previous FF versions
20:00 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day
20:01 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
20:01 oleonard I wonder if the redirect to about:blank is an attempt to complete the cookie operation
20:11 Brooke left #koha
20:12 oleonard Hmmm... I might pop in, but meeting time is getting kids ready for school time for me, so don't count on me.
20:12 wizzyrea same here
20:12 oleonard until then,
20:12 oleonard left #koha
20:12 wizzyrea farewelloweni'mgoingtobeatyou
20:12 wizzyrea sigh
20:13 cait meetin is tomorrow, right?
20:13 cait around 14 hours away?
20:14 collum left #koha
20:16 talljoy_away is now known as talljoy
20:19 rangi brb, new person just started
20:20 hdl joined #koha
20:22 sekjal cait:  yes
20:22 sekjal egad, 5am EST
20:23 cait egad?
20:23 sekjal an expression of dismay
20:23 cait oh
20:23 cait I had worse
20:23 sekjal it's going to be a long Wednesday
20:23 cait worse time for me is 4 am
20:23 sekjal that would be worse, yes
20:24 sekjal though it's 2am for California
20:24 sekjal probably won't be seeing that end of the ByWater team in attendance
20:24 jcamins Not sure you'll be seeing me.
20:24 cait important meeting - hope people will get up
20:24 bg yeah no kidding
20:24 bg hi jcamins
20:24 bg heya cait
20:25 jcamins Hey there, bg.
20:25 * wizzyrea tries to decide if she's staying up, or getting up
20:25 cait hi bg
20:25 cait :)
20:25 cait wizzyrea: no matter what you do - I will wait with virtual cookied and coffee :)
20:26 bg jcamins I was in NY last week - I meant to see if you were busy - sorry about that -- but it was great to be there
20:26 wizzyrea hehe
20:26 bg I love NYC
20:26 wizzyrea bg?
20:26 wizzyrea keke
20:26 wizzyrea trea?
20:26 wahanui trea is the support in the darkness. The watcher of tickets. He is the fire that brings status updates, the light that illuminates customers, the horn that wakes the devs, the shield that guards the realms of nerds.
20:26 jcamins bg: oh, I'm sorry I missed you!
20:26 jcamins bg: get to do anything fun?
20:27 bg jcamins: it was a really busy week - and my friend has a new baby that I got to meet
20:27 bg yup I stopped by carnegie deli
20:27 bg ;)
20:27 jcamins Mmm.
20:27 * jcamins loves the Carnegie Deli.
20:27 bg I really miss the good jewish deli's out here
20:27 jcamins Stage deli is good too.
20:27 jcamins As is Ben's.
20:27 * jcamins wants a pastrami sandwich now.
20:27 bg and I got a great slice
20:27 bg been awhile on that
20:28 hdl left #koha
20:29 jcamins Yeah, there are definitely food benefits to NYC.
20:31 cait hm
20:33 ropuch Hm, anybody using Lokalize? I have script that shows translated entry in context (file in whicg term occurs opened with sepcific line), but cannot get rid of annoing 'Cannot open source files: no scripts to do so are currently loaded'
20:33 ropuch Which is poping even with script working ;>
20:33 bg well I hope all is well jcamins :)  been a little while since I've been in channel
20:34 jcamins Yeah, things are going pretty well. Very busy dotting 'i's and crossing 't's, and introducing myself to all and sundry. :)
20:36 wizzyrea any idea what the holdup is on 6253?
20:37 jcamins bug 6253
20:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
20:39 hdl joined #koha
20:39 rangi cait: bug 6958 has a patch now
20:39 bg most likely testing?
20:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6958 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Missing spaces in translated templates
20:40 rangi wizzyrea: thats pushed
20:40 rangi in june
20:40 rangi oh no it isnt
20:40 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6958] Missing spaces in translated templates <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6958>
20:40 rangi im looking at the wrong
20:41 rangi wizzyrea: just waiting qa
20:41 nengard left #koha
20:42 wizzyrea cool. I'll poke the qa guy.
20:44 wizzyrea actually - can I get someone else to sign off on that
20:44 wizzyrea it's a plea, you know you want to
20:44 wizzyrea it'd be fuuuun
20:46 ropuch rangi: do you have any understanding of c/cpp?
20:46 rangi cpp?
20:47 ropuch c++
20:47 rangi enough to not want to ever touch it again :)
20:47 ropuch hehe
20:47 ropuch Q_SCRIPTABLE void setSrcFileOpenRequestAccepted(bool a){m_srcFileOpenRequestAccepted=a;}
20:47 ropuch bool m_srcFileOpenRequestAccepted;
20:48 ropuch I think it must be set to something after setSrcFileOpenRequest is succes
20:49 rangi i think that variable name needs more letters
20:49 ropuch But I'm not sure what 'bool a' is
20:49 jcamins AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! It's that library that KDE is based on?
20:49 jcamins That would have been so much more dramatic if I knew what it was called.
20:49 ropuch jcamins: nah, I'm trying to script lokalize to show context of transted entry in po file
20:50 rangi ropuch: i just use poedit
20:50 ropuch And I've done that, but there;'s this annoing popup alert
20:50 ropuch rangi: I switched do Lokalize ;>
20:50 jcamins ropuch: I don't see any problem with that method definition.
20:50 rangi sekjal: fwiw i agree with owen 6954 can go in 3.6.0
20:51 eythian
20:51 rangi void ThisVariableHasTooManyWordsInItOMGWTFBBQ
20:51 ropuch Yea :)
20:52 sekjal rangi:  cool, thanks.  shall I mark it Passed QA, or give the community a little longer for a dissenting opinion?
20:52 rangi maybe give it a day
20:52 sekjal k
20:52 cait bug 6954
20:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking
20:53 cait wish you people would use the word bug more often :P
20:53 cait ah, that's nice to have yes
20:56 ropuch rangi: can poedit open src file for translated entry?
20:56 rangi probably not
20:56 rangi i havent tried
20:56 ropuch Lokalize is only kde app on my box and I would gladly get rid of it
20:57 ropuch Bah
20:57 rangi have you tried gtranslator?
20:57 rangi i dunno if that can either
20:57 ropuch yup
20:57 jcamins ropuch: if you're trying to understand QT source (I remembered!), you're pretty much on your own, at least as far as my help is concerned.
20:58 ropuch jcamins: apart from creepy c source files, documentation on Lokalize simply does not exist ;>
21:07 wizzyrea cait:
21:07 cait hm? :)
21:07 wizzyrea lookie
21:07 cait aaaw
21:07 cait that was the idea -really :)
21:08 wizzyrea ppls here are pretty excited.
21:08 cait i did that once using jquery
21:08 cait it was terrible
21:08 rangi what bug was that?
21:08 cait adding css classes to the lables
21:08 wizzyrea the one that added css classes to the xslt
21:08 cait labels
21:08 rangi i really need to finish my openlibrary stuff, so it can pull in ebooks from there too
21:08 rangi ah cool
21:08 rangi yay cait !
21:08 cait something easy :)
21:09 rangi easy but useful
21:09 wizzyrea extremely
21:09 jenkins_koha Starting build 454 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
21:09 wizzyrea everybody wants to poke at the way it looks
21:09 cait I pondered how to make it possible to hide the analytics links
21:09 cait and thought it might be better than adding yet another syspref
21:11 wizzyrea why can't you hide them with css if you want?
21:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6867: Date last seen ignored on import <[…]55b4bb6a50e5d26a8>
21:11 wizzyrea i mean, why can't you add a class to the analytics links
21:12 * wizzyrea ponders the need for a opacusercss library on the wiki
21:12 rangi seems like a good idea to me
21:12 wizzyrea intranetusercss too
21:12 rangi yes
21:12 rangi id love a heres some colour for the intranet css
21:12 rangi cos it makes me sad
21:12 rangi its all severe
21:13 rangi and DO YOUR WORK
21:13 cait wizzyrea: now you can :)
21:13 rangi at the moment
21:13 cait wizzyrea: that's the solution for my problem
21:13 cait analytics {display:none} :)
21:13 cait but this way it makes even more people happy
21:13 eythian <-- just run the logo through this
21:14 cait ouch
21:14 * cait has gone blind
21:14 rangi heh
21:14 wizzyrea oh my lord eythian
21:14 wizzyrea please god no
21:14 cait where do you find stuff like that?
21:14 * wizzyrea scolds eythian heartily
21:14 wizzyrea don't make me get out my teacher finger.
21:15 cait germs?
21:15 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
21:15 eythian I memorised the internet
21:15 cait wizzyrea: can you scold him for that too?
21:15 cait if oyu are on it right now?
21:15 * wizzyrea gets out the teacher finger on eythian
21:15 hguewmLibrarian joined #koha
21:15 * wizzyrea shakes it sternly
21:15 cait hehe
21:15 cait hi hguewmLibrarian
21:15 hguewmLibrarian dear koha ninja-gurus
21:15 * hguewmLibrarian waves at Cait
21:15 wizzyrea wb ;)
21:16 hguewmLibrarian yesterday i was having issue with automating a ftp script to auto-backup the koha database remotely
21:16 hguewmLibrarian i found a solution
21:16 hguewmLibrarian thought I'd share...
21:16 wizzyrea cait: I think the CSS hide is perfectly fine
21:16 wizzyrea oo yay
21:16 wizzyrea sharing!
21:16 * wizzyrea likes sharing
21:16 hguewmLibrarian there's a little program called ncftp
21:16 cait wizzyrea: hehe it IS - but that was the reason for my patch
21:16 hguewmLibrarian using the LCI
21:16 hguewmLibrarian you can automate it in one line
21:16 cait in german I would say 'wir reden aneinander vorbei'
21:16 * wizzyrea starts the opacusercss wiki page
21:17 wizzyrea ah yea I've seen that
21:17 hdl have a good night / day
21:17 eythian hguewmLibrarian: I just expose /var/spool/koha through the webserver and password protect it.
21:17 eythian every so often, script a wget of that
21:17 hguewmLibrarian :)
21:17 hguewmLibrarian ncftpput -u myname -p mypassword otherhost . foo   upload files
21:17 hguewmLibrarian ncftpget -u myname -p mypassword otherhost . bar   download files
21:17 hguewmLibrarian very cool eythian
21:17 wizzyrea poor hguewmLibrarian is trying to target a windows server
21:17 hguewmLibrarian all fixed. and targetted.
21:18 hguewmLibrarian nasty windows servers
21:18 wizzyrea i mean, he *has* targeted a windows server.
21:18 wizzyrea I have a target on my wall
21:18 wizzyrea that's got windows stickers on it
21:18 hguewmLibrarian there you go... knowledge for the masses
21:18 wizzyrea for my windows kills MUA HA HA HA HA
21:18 wizzyrea sorry. I'll be quiet now.
21:19 eythian yeah right
21:19 rangi heh
21:20 hguewmLibrarian so there you go
21:20 rangi[…]w&Submit=Tui+Says
21:21 hguewmLibrarian muchas gracias koha ninja-gurus
21:21 hguewmLibrarian left #koha
21:21 wizzyrea lol, seems like you did it yourself
21:21 wizzyrea bother.
21:24 jcamins Didn't I fix bug 6971?
21:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6971 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order
21:24 rangi hmmm i seem to recall something liket hat
21:25 hdl left #koha
21:26 wizzyrea i wonder if we fixed it from ahb to abh
21:26 rangi git blame (or git log) will probably tell ya
21:26 jcamins wizzyrea: no, I would definitely have gone the other way.
21:27 jcamins Oh, I bet I know what happened.
21:27 jcamins I tried to fix it, then realized it was impossible without redoing the stylesheet, and gave up.
21:31 rangi :)
21:32 rangi meeting time, bbiab
21:34 maximep do you this would still work on master ?
21:34 maximep *do you think
21:35 phlunk3 got a question, when importing a marc record. "koha default item type" this should never get auto filled? Like, is the librarian expected to choose this each time they import, or is the system supposed to fill this due to knowing data from the marc record?
21:41 jcamins The librarian would have to fill it in. Item type might or might not correspond with any data instrinsic to the record.
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21:44 jcamins Question: does anyone have any utilities for automagically pulling records into Koha using ISBN? Most of the time I work with materials that predate ISBN by, well, centuries, but every so often I'm asked to look at collections that have a significant percentage of new books, and for those original cataloging isn't really necessary.
21:45 wizzyrea our libraries do it using z39.50
21:45 jcamins wizzyrea: automagically, or by going through the z39.50 interface in cataloging?
21:45 wizzyrea ^^ that
21:46 jcamins Ah. Yeah, that's what I've been doing, but when we start talking about thousands of books, it gets silly.
21:47 wizzyrea well there's marcedit :P
21:47 jcamins Ooh.
21:47 jcamins Do you know, I hadn't thought of that.
21:48 wizzyrea i think it's got a handy dandy z39.50 interface in it
21:48 wizzyrea too
21:48 jcamins Yeah, I believe it does.
21:49 * jcamins considers a batch processor that works off-line, and associates a picture of the cover and a location/collection/callnumber/barcode with the ISBN, for a cross-check when processing the cataloging after the fact.
21:51 * jcamins dreams big. :)
21:51 jcamins Seems to me that shouldn't be so hard to do.
21:51 jcamins Name the pictures with the ISBN, easy peasy.
21:52 sekjal jcamins:  there is a batch Z39.50 script which takes in a list of ISBNs
21:53 jcamins sekjal: that's a good start. :) Do you know where it is?
21:54 sekjal jcamins:  looking
21:54 jcamins sekjal: thanks.
21:54 cait I think eythian has been working on somehting like that too
21:56 sekjal[…]z3950_server.html
21:57 jcamins Awesome, thanks!
21:57 jcamins sekjal++
21:57 ropuch Awesome indeed, it'll save me ages of work [;
21:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #454: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/454/
21:57 jenkins_koha ruth: Bug 6867: Date last seen ignored on import
21:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6867 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , datelastseen is not imported from marc file
21:59 trea left #koha
22:17 phlunk3 on the marc record import system, can I set a default value for "koha default item type" so that it is always set?
22:17 rangi not that i know of
22:18 eythian phlunk3: it's by design
22:18 eythian (sorta)
22:18 eythian people don't change the default when they should if they aren't forced to
22:18 phlunk3 yeah I thought so as well, someone here was asking :)
22:19 phlunk3 or rather, spending an hour googling it instead of asking you guys lol.
22:19 phlunk3 irc-shy colleagues ;)
22:19 eythian heh
22:19 rangi heh most of them know me :) they dont need to be shy
22:20 phlunk3 btw, you guys are also in charge of right?
22:20 cait no,we are not
22:21 jcamins The Koha website is
22:21 eythian wahanui: is <reply>the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about
22:21 rangi is controlled by a company hostile to the Koha project, and the community around it
22:21 wahanui ...but is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company...
22:21 rangi :)
22:22 eythian wahanui: literal
22:22 wahanui eythian: =is= old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:22 phlunk3 ahh. which website is the official koha site?
22:22 rangi
22:22 wahanui is actually updated and right
22:22 jcamins
22:22 wahanui i heard was actually updated and right
22:22 eythian no wahanui, is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company|controlled by a company hostile to the Koha project, and the community around it|<reply>the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about
22:22 wahanui okay, eythian.
22:23 jcamins
22:23 wahanui is, like, old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:23 jcamins
22:23 wahanui rumour has it is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:23 jcamins
22:23 wahanui is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:23 * jcamins stops.
22:23 eythian
22:23 wahanui the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about
22:23 eythian jcamins: you do it like that
22:23 phlunk3 thanks, anyway, am I fine to steal content explaining what koha is from that site and use it on my own site? I am just making a small site which will outline some open source projects briefly amongst over things and am really lazy with writing ;)
22:23 jcamins eythian: how did you do that?
22:23 eythian jcamins: magic
22:26 rangi phlunk3: yep just provide attribution, and a link back
22:26 phlunk3 ofcourse, txtx.
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22:37 eythian "zcat ashs.sql.bz2 | sudo koha-mysql ashs" ... I wish I'd written that koha-mysql script ages ago, it's much more useful than I thought it would be.
22:37 eythian although I guess it should be bzcat
22:37 rangi yup
22:37 rangi that script is in the packages?
22:37 eythian yeah
22:37 eythian just the newer ones
22:37 rangi cool
22:40 jcamins eythian: ooh, brilliant!
22:40 eythian jcamins: I had one running the other day that used it to stream a dump from one machine, via my desktop over ssh, onto another.
22:40 eythian (the two machines can't talk to each other, but my desktop can)
22:41 eythian it saves the whole wait for the dump, wait for the reload process.
22:41 rangi *nod*
22:41 rangi trick
22:42 jcamins That's really cool.
22:42 jcamins Exceedingly, even.
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22:45 talljoy is now known as talljoy_away
22:47 cait hm
22:49 jcamins Grr.
22:49 jcamins The problem with it finally being cool out is that now butter won't soften.
22:50 rangi heh
22:50 rangi nuke?
22:50 jcamins The type of cookie I want to bake is very finicky, and they come out funny if you nuke the butter.
22:50 rangi ahh bummer
22:51 jcamins I may make a different kind of cookie instead.
22:51 rangi rest on top of the oven?
22:51 jcamins Or decide I don't care. ;)
22:51 jcamins Yeah, that's a possibility.
22:51 jcamins In fact, that's probably what I'm going to do, because I really want sandtarts.
22:51 rangi :)
22:52 cait mmmh
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22:55 jcamins Oh my. The stock markets are predicting a recession.
22:55 jcamins I am shocked.
22:55 jcamins Truly, I thought the global economy was booming.
22:55 rangi heh
22:55 jcamins Is reporting as bad in NZ as it is in the States?
22:55 ibeardslee 'the stock markets' or 'the people manipulating the stock markets'?
22:56 ibeardslee worse .. we have an idiot PM that things all is well
22:56 ibeardslee s/things/thinks/
22:56 rangi jcamins: yeah, its bad the world over afaict, a good article is the exception not the rule
22:56 rangi journalism is a dead art
22:56 ibeardslee .. .. of course that's giving him the benefit of the doubt that he actually thinks
22:57 rangi
22:57 rangi courtesy of eythian
22:58 jcamins Is it bad that I can't tell for sure whether that's a real tabloid cover or not?
22:58 rangi hehe yeah
22:59 jcamins It'd be hysterical, if it weren't for that bit of doubt that says "but, that could be real."
22:59 rangi unfortunately it kinda is real
22:59 rangi thats how this election is being run
23:00 rangi its about the quietest general election i can remember
23:01 jcamins Yikes.
23:04 eythian pity the main competing party can't campaign its way out of a paper bag at the moment, either.
23:04 rangi yeah
23:04 rangi ppl like its policies, the polls show
23:04 rangi hate all the ppl presenting them
23:05 rangi they have an easy run
23:05 rangi no asset sales, capital gains tax
23:05 rangi but everyone just goes, 'phill goff i hate that guy'
23:05 rangi (i do too)
23:06 jcamins And no one in the party noticed that they had an unpopular candidate when discussing the nomination?
23:08 rangi they seem to be a pretty retarded party
23:08 rangi and often seem to forget they are in opposition
23:08 rangi youre supposed to oppose things, not cave like a stack of cards on every damn issue
23:09 jcamins Really? Well, darn, I guess I got opposition wrong.
23:09 rangi :)
23:10 * jcamins goes back to the drawing board, and comes up with a new slogan for the opposition party: "We think you're probably doing it wrong, even if we proposed that bill."
23:11 ibeardslee they have shown themselves to be fairly impotent .. pretty sad really, Helen was a driver, but lost it by getting carried way with the nanny state
23:13 ibeardslee I think that has driven people towards the green party
23:15 ibeardslee The greens seem to have suddenly grown up .. not fully sure if it from having to grow up because they are now a viable alternative .. or if them being a viable alternative is because they have grown up
23:15 ibeardslee .. ... anyway, I should take that into #nzpolitics
23:15 rangi :-)
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23:16 rangi this is the big issue at the election for me
23:17 rangi
23:18 eythian I don't get the fact it's an issue. It's only a small number of noisy people who want STV isn't it?
23:19 rangi i think quite a few want to go back to FPP
23:19 rangi hopefully not that many
23:20 eythian err
23:20 eythian yeah, FPP, not STV
23:21 ibeardslee that tool has some very tricky questions
23:22 ibeardslee Q6 .. one party is ideal .. but needs to represent the majority of voters
23:25 rangi yeah
23:25 rangi in the ideal world yeah
23:31 ibeardslee But I just can't find that option 'ibeardslee as Benevolent Dictator for Life"
23:32 eythian yeah, I was looking for that too.
23:33 eythian (in order to put "strongly disagree" on it)
23:33 rangi heh
23:38 rangi[…]nagement/ba-p/440
23:38 rangi “The other thing—and it's kind of related—that people seem to get wrong is to think that the code they write is what matters,” says Torvalds. Most software development managers have seen this one. “No, even if you wrote 100% of the code, and even if you are the best programmer in the world and will never need any help with the project at all, the thing that really matters is the users of the code. The code itself is unimportant; the project is
23:38 rangi i like that bit

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