IRC log for #koha, 2011-08-22

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02:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6703] can't see invoice content <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6703>
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02:12 Brooke kia ora
02:12 rangi hi Brooke
02:12 Brooke I pehea to ra?
02:13 rangi ahua pai
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03:25 Amit_Gupta heya chris
03:25 Amit_Gupta good morning ;)
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04:04 rangi heya Amit_Gupta
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04:14 Oak hello #koha
04:17 rangi hi Oak
04:17 Oak heya rangi :)
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04:40 rangi ohh good to see osslabs setting up some enhancements in bugzilla
04:46 chilts is osslabs using Koha now?
04:50 rangi  <-- these guys
04:52 chilts ah, they're the guys who do some stuff for NZRS
04:53 chilts or maybe not ... anyway, that's good they're running it :)
04:54 eythian chilts: osslabs are in India
04:54 chilts heh, won't be them then :)
04:54 * chilts is thinking of someone else
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05:48 cait good morning #koha
05:48 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:48 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.1�C (7:44 AM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Steady).
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06:26 marcelr hello koha
06:30 magnuse hiya marcelr
06:30 marcelr hi magnuse
06:31 cait morning magnuse and marcelr :)
06:32 magnuse guten morgen cait
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06:33 cait magnuse: rangi said he has perhaps a fix for the language chooser problem :)
06:33 magnuse yay
06:35 marcelr hi cait
06:37 eythian hi magnuse
06:38 magnuse kia ora eythian
06:38 magnuse eythian: i have been trying to update the man page for koha-create, should have it submitted in a day or two, i think
06:39 eythian awesome :)
06:39 eythian I need to learn how to make man pages.
06:39 magnuse me too ;-)
06:39 magnuse i found an appendix about it in a book on shell scripting
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06:39 eythian sweet
06:40 eythian Which book? If it's an O'Reilly one I could buy it easily enough.
06:41 magnuse classic shell scripting
06:41 eythian who's the publisher?
06:41 magnuse
06:41 eythian cool.
06:42 magnuse it's more of a long example, i'd guess there are good guides/descriptions to be had on line too
06:43 magnuse and if we use the koha-create one as a pattern it should be easy to do the others, i thinl
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06:43 eythian NZ$6.50
06:43 eythian[…]ure=search_result
06:44 isen071 Hello everybody, I've just installed koha I have a problem with the dontmerge systempreference... When I change an authority records thre is no effect on the associated biblios records. I read that dontmerge is no longer used and has been replaced by MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate but I can't find this option in my version... Can someone help me ? Thanks.
06:44 eythian isen071: you know that 3.4 is the current stable release series, right? It's possible (I'm not sure) that that's been fixed there.
06:45 magnuse eythian: they sell o'reilly books as a android apps?
06:45 cait 3.2 is no longer maintained
06:45 eythian magnuse: yep, for a really good price, too.
06:45 eythian I think it's US$5
06:45 magnuse yeah, that's cheap!
06:46 eythian and it's downloading to my tablet now :)
06:46 isen071 eythian: thanks you but I need my koha in french and I think the 3.4 version doesn't support french langage yet...
06:46 magnuse yay!
06:47 eythian I really like the android web installer
06:47 * magnuse havn't tried it
06:47 eythian isen071: I'd be very surprised if it doesn't support french, but give it an hour and all the french folks will be online.
06:47 magnuse isen071: there are lots of libraries using koha in french
06:48 eythian magnuse: it's really handy. You just click 'install' on the website, pick which device you want it to install onto, and it immediately starts installing.
06:48 cait bye all
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06:48 magnuse eythian: and what sort of tablet do you use?
06:48 isen071 I'll try to install the 3.4 version. Thanks.
06:50 eythian magnuse: I got myself an Asus Transformer. It's nice because it has a detachable keyboard that gives it a huge chunk of extra battery life.
06:50 magnuse yay
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06:51 magnuse transformer, eh? does it turn into a car too? ;-)
06:52 eythian and because O'Reilly is good and gives it to you as a DRM-free epub, I can transfer it to my ereader easily if I want to.
06:52 eythian alas, no. That'd be handy, but probably make it too heavy.
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06:52 alex_a morning #koha
06:53 eythian alex_a: hello
06:53 eythian isen071: it looks like alex_a is the first Francophone here who may be able to answer your question.
06:53 magnuse eythian: wizzyrea was saying good things about it on G+ too - i wonder if that is a sign? i have a kindle, but i don't find that too good for reading those lovely DRM-free O'reilly books...
06:54 magnuse bonjour alex_a
06:54 eythian magnuse: I wouldn't touch a kindle with a long stick. But I have two other ereaders, so it doesn't matter :)
06:55 eythian I tried to use the tablet for reading a book on, and it's not ideal. The shiny, and backlit, screen makes it a bit problematic. But it'll be fine for looking up references.
06:55 alex_a eythian: I have recomended isen071 to come here for ask people last friday :)
06:55 eythian ah I see :)
06:55 alex_a :)
06:55 magnuse i have only bought two e-books from amazon... i wanted it because it was supposed to be a real good e-ink reader, and i wanted to see what that was like
06:56 magnuse yeah, i'm sceptical about the shiny screen... hm, where's that prefect device, i wonder?
06:56 eythian yeah, I bought a cheap one that a local bookseller was selling, aside from being a bit slow, it's a nice little machine. And I have one that's dual screen, with the other screen being an android tablet (but much less good tablet-wise than my new one)
06:57 eythian but the eink side of it is great for reading on.
06:57 magnuse ah, interesting combo!
06:57 eythian[…]rage-pocket-edge/ <-- it's this, but the US company has gone out of business recently.
06:58 eythian annoyingly without releasing their SDK or source code.
06:59 magnuse :-(
06:59 magnuse nice gizmo, though ;-)
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07:00 reiveune hello
07:01 eythian magnuse: it is quite nice. It's small and handy.
07:01 eythian But I'll probably switch back to my Kobo now I have a real tablet, anyway.
07:01 eythian Mostly so I don't end up carrying 3 android devices around all the time, because that seems like taking it a bit too far ;)
07:02 eythian (also, the kobo is very light)
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07:03 magnuse eythian: yeah, 3 sounds like 1 or 2 too many...
07:03 eythian well, I need my phone...:)
07:03 eythian ...and my tablet
07:03 eythian ...I just don't need two tablets
07:03 magnuse ok, 1 too many, then ;-)
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07:28 francharb morning koha
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07:43 rangi evening
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07:45 magnuse morning rangi
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08:00 kf good morning #koha
08:00 rangi hi kf
08:05 kf evening rangi :)
08:05 eythian hi
08:05 kf and hi eythian :)
08:05 kf how was monday?
08:05 eythian it's still going ;)
08:06 rangi not too bad, got quite a lot done
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08:06 kf hope it will be the same here :)
08:06 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:06 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 23.2�C (10:04 AM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling).
08:06 kf hm, feels a lot warmer already
08:07 eythian I'm almost done getting some code to the point where I'm OK having my name on it :)
08:07 kf :)
08:07 kf what does it do?
08:08 eythian allows users to add star ratings to biblios
08:09 kf ah
08:09 kf thought mtj was working on something like that?
08:10 eythian yep, I've taken that, upgraded it to work in 3.4, and am giving it a whole load of spit-and-polish.
08:11 kf :)
08:12 * magnuse is not sure he wants his koha code with spit on it... ;-)
08:12 magnuse anyway: yay!
08:12 eythian heh :)
08:16 kf hehe
08:22 * magnuse is looking forward to the day when all clients are hosted with the packages
08:23 eythian yeah, it makes things much easier.
08:23 rangi package everything i say :)
08:23 eythian why do you want everything you say packaged?
08:23 rangi to make it easier to remember what i said
08:23 magnuse lol!
08:24 magnuse and then just give it numbers...
08:24 magnuse @quote get 123
08:24 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:24 rangi heh
08:24 magnuse clever scheme!
08:25 magnuse i guess the #koha logs are a start...
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08:27 Brooke ata marie
08:27 rangi hi Brooke
08:27 magnuse kia ora Brooke
08:27 Brooke :)
08:31 eythian OK, now all that's left is to clean up the database schema. That can wait for tomorrow though.
08:31 Brooke those tricksy database schemata, always gettin' emselves in trouble
08:32 eythian ah, it's just got some unnecessary bits the way it is, and the key setup isn't optimal for what it's mostly doing. So I need to sort that out.
08:32 * eythian leaves work now
08:33 Brooke cheers mate!
08:38 magnuse leaving work at 8.40 pm? tch!
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08:39 Brooke inorite?
08:39 Brooke I feel like it should be on the list of "You might be involved with Koha if..."
08:39 magnuse ;-)
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08:40 Brooke bonjour
08:40 wahanui niihau, Brooke
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08:52 Oak hello #koha
08:52 Oak Brooke !!!
08:52 Brooke hey hey :)
08:53 Oak how are ya?
08:53 Brooke good enough for gummint woik
08:53 Brooke you?
08:53 wahanui rumour has it you is ketchup Oak's friend, you
08:53 Oak good good
08:53 Oak i'm okay
08:53 Brooke wahanui, you are so much dumber than Zoia, it's not even funny.
08:53 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information...
08:54 rangi zoia is a supybot the same as huginn
08:54 Oak hola senorita kf
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09:22 kf hola senor Oak
09:24 Oak :)
09:28 Brooke pffft, All Blacks losin' on penalties. The nerve.
09:29 kf hi Brooke :)
09:29 Brooke aloha
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10:47 kf sekjal++
10:49 Oak what did he do? :)
10:56 magnuse give a good answer on the mailinglist?
10:58 kf yep
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11:38 oakivil hello #koha
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11:52 magnuse hiya oakivil
11:53 kf hi oakivil
11:53 oakivil importing patron data from our current system
11:53 lastnode hi
11:53 lastnode im just wondering if there isa  guide for setting up koha ons hared hosting?
11:53 lastnode i really want to demo it for someone but i dont have access to a vps
11:53 oakivil but now thinking about importing items
11:53 kf oakivil: into koha? yay!
11:53 oakivil i just imported biblios
11:53 oakivil well 2 weeks ago
11:54 oakivil now importing patrons using patron_import perl script
11:54 oakivil but it seems that items need to be injected directly into the database in koha 3.4+ ?
11:54 kf si this the one used for the gui too?
11:55 kf for 3.2 the best way was importing them with the bibliographic records I think
11:55 oakivil[…]_fields_%289xx%29
11:55 kf in 952 fields formatted the way koha wants it
11:55 oakivil says inject into items-table
11:55 kf for 3.4 you can still do that
11:55 kf but I wonder if you can now inject directly into the items table too
11:55 oakivil ok
11:55 oakivil i think i go with the
11:56 kf I have not tried it yet but I think it should work
11:56 kf you have to be careful with you biblionumbers
11:56 oakivil because i already have a program that works well with text files
11:56 oakivil yeah
11:56 kf ah ok
11:56 kf if you import items using 952 make sure you have the important fields correctly
11:56 kf $a AND $b should have the branchcode of your library
11:57 oakivil ok
11:57 kf call number and barcode ($o and $p) are also good
11:57 oakivil the wiki has pretty good instructions
11:57 kf cool :)
11:57 oakivil i think i can do it with those
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11:58 kf yes, the page looks pretty good
11:58 oakivil what is "Koha full call number" as in items.itemcallnumber-column
11:58 kf was not aware we had it :)
11:58 oakivil ?
11:58 kf the normal call number
11:58 kf of the item
11:59 oakivil and what is that?
11:59 wahanui that is the problem
11:59 kf the label on the book that indicates where the item can be found on shelf :)
11:59 oakivil shelving number?
11:59 kf the german word is signatur... not sure that helps here
11:59 kf if you are using numbers (numerus currens?) in your library, you can use that
11:59 magnuse hyllesignatur in norwegian
12:00 oakivil ok
12:00 kf it's what the patron uses to locate the book in the library
12:00 oakivil ok
12:00 oakivil got it
12:00 magnuse oakivil: are you importing data for a migration or just for testing?
12:00 oakivil testing
12:01 oakivil and to prove that it can be done
12:01 magnuse yay! :-)
12:01 oakivil bosses are skeptical about the whole migration issue
12:01 oakivil so I try to prove them wrong
12:01 magnuse way to go!
12:01 magnuse thousands of libraries have been able to do it before
12:02 oakivil yeah
12:02 oakivil but it's hard
12:02 magnuse so why shouldn't you? :-)
12:02 oakivil finding the relevant information and connecting the right bits in the right places
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12:04 kf I think it's hard with every system
12:04 kf migrations I mean - never fun, but doable :)
12:05 oakivil if somebody would just tel me what to do it would be so easy :D
12:05 oakivil if i knew the right questions
12:05 oakivil but im getting there
12:05 kf what is your current system?
12:06 oakivil Koha is on Ubuntu 11.04
12:06 kf there is a collection of perl scripts for migration purposes in druthb' repository
12:06 oakivil Koha 3.4
12:06 kf ah, the current ILS your library uses
12:06 oakivil ah current system is PallasPro
12:06 oakivil it is a tailor made Finnish program
12:06 oakivil and no finn has tread where I tread now
12:07 kf
12:07 oakivil or maybe a couple has
12:08 magnuse a few finnish people have looked at koha, but i have not heard of any migrations
12:09 magnuse oakivil: you can always ask about anything on irc and the mail lists - a  together i think most problems have been solved by at least one of us some time or other... ;-)
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12:20 oleonard Hey #koha.
12:21 nengard morning oleonard
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12:22 nengard @later tell chris_n sorry i missed your message from 2 days ago, was on the road all week, but it looks like someone else got that patch signed off on
12:22 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded.
12:23 oleonard Someone else wanted that gold.
12:23 lastnode does anyone know the liblime pricing?
12:23 lastnode just a ballpark?
12:24 lastnode (forkoha hosting)
12:24 oleonard We don't do Liblime here.
12:24 oleonard Liblime is not Koha.
12:24 lastnode i understand that
12:24 lastnode im not requesting support
12:24 lastnode im just weighing the pros and cons of self hosting vs hosted
12:24 lastnode if it's a problem, i wont discuss liblime, my bad
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12:26 kf lastnode: liblime doesn't host koha too - so it's not so interesitng
12:26 kf most support providers do hosting
12:26 lastnode i meant support, kf
12:26 lastnode (as well)
12:27 lastnode im looking into vps options and want to weigh hosting vs hosting + support
12:27 kf hm, perhaps writing mails and asking directly is the best way to go then
12:27 kf you are in california, right?
12:28 lastnode no, colombo, sri lanka
12:28 lastnode im looking to roll out koha for a small pilot school here
12:28 lastnode witha library of 3k books or so
12:28 lastnode I'm nervous because that is a lot of data to be responsible for
12:28 kf oh!
12:28 kf sorry
12:28 lastnode adn im a hobbyist hacker (English teacher by trade)
12:29 kf confused you with someone else
12:29 lastnode np
12:29 kf have you seen the support providers list on
12:30 lastnode no, let me have a look
12:30 lastnode found it, thanks
12:30 lastnode gotta head home, will be back later
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12:30 lastnode thanks!
12:31 * Oak waves again
12:31 Oak magnuse
12:32 Oak Bonjour Mademoiselle kf
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12:41 kf Bonjour Oak
12:41 Oak :]
12:42 magnuse Oak
12:50 Oak funny
12:52 Oak @later tell Brooke
12:52 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
12:53 Oak uh oh not that one
12:54 Oak @later tell Brooke
12:54 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
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13:08 oleonard Hi libsysguy
13:08 libsysguy hi oleonard
13:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6753] Markup corrections and improvements for label export window <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6753>
13:12 oleonard Bam!
13:12 kf bam? :)
13:14 oleonard Yeah I was just, you know... uh, saying 'bam.'
13:15 libsysguy SWOOSH!
13:15 kf lol
13:15 kf why do I suddenly think batman?
13:15 * magnuse too!
13:15 kf :)
13:16 oleonard If we're talking about Batman then I clocked that bug in the face but good. Pow!
13:16 kf rofl
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13:17 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:17 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.8�C (3:14 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
13:17 kf hmpf
13:18 oleonard Still got some summer left eh kf?
13:18 magnuse wow
13:18 magnuse @wunder boo
13:18 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (2:50 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:18 kf it just came back
13:18 kf had lots of rain this year
13:18 kf but this is too warm for me already
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13:36 Oak @wunder islamabad
13:36 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0�C (6:00 PM PKT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
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13:39 sekjal can anyone else confirm that, despite removing the 952s from the MARC records, biblios with many, many items are still giving problems to Zebra when searching?
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13:49 kf sekjal: perhaps ask liz?
13:49 wizzyrea how many
13:49 kf our libraries are too small - have not run into any problems yet
13:49 wizzyrea define "many" :)
13:49 sekjal wizzyrea:  usually around 700 items I find things start to choke
13:50 oleonard Whoa, 700 items?
13:50 wizzyrea i'm not sure we have any with that many items
13:50 * oleonard is a small fry
13:50 nengard i think the 700 happens with serials
13:50 nengard in academics where they keep them forever
13:50 nengard and circualte them
13:51 sekjal it's usually bound serials issues on the Most Important periodicals
13:54 kf sekjal: have yo seen the bug on bugzilla?
13:54 kf it suggests using -x for indexing I think
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13:54 sekjal kf:  yes, though I forget the number at the moment
13:54 sekjal and -x doesn't solve the problem, I'm finding
13:54 kf searching for ti... but hard
13:55 sekjal the record gets exported to Zebra, and as much of it as will fit in the 9999 bytes gets indexed, according to my direct searches in yaz-client
13:55 sekjal so it'll show up in search results
13:56 sekjal but the link to the details page is broken, because it always dies before getting to the 999
13:56 sekjal sorry, MARC subfield 999$c, to be more specific
13:56 sekjal the 952s are added in using insert_fields_ordered
13:56 kf bug 5579
13:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
13:57 magnuse #marcmustdie
13:57 kf bug 2453
13:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2453 critical, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, (very) large biblio/item handling
13:57 sekjal I think if we changed that to append_fields, we'd make sure the biblionumber gets in there, and the only remaining issue would be that all the items are not properly summarized on the search results page
13:58 sekjal reading that last comment, it's me saying that this is solved... ::chuckle::
13:58 kf hehe
13:58 kf murph
13:58 kf y
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14:15 kf oleonard++ :)
14:15 oakivil So has anybody tried Fibram Fivefingers already?
14:15 oakivil sorry, Vibram Fivefingers
14:16 * oleonard knows people who love them, hasn't tried them himself.
14:16 oakivil I remeber hearing some stuff about a koha-con
14:17 oakivil will it be held?
14:17 magnuse oakivil:[…]ategory:KohaCon11
14:17 oleonard
14:17 oakivil thanks
14:17 magnuse planning is still going on, but there are lots of people signed up so it will happen!
14:18 oakivil damn it's so expensive to fly there
14:18 magnuse we have not yet decided where kohacon12 will be:[…]als_for_KohaCon12
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14:20 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:24 oleonard Hi jcamins
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14:25 isen514 Hello everybody, I need help to get my koha works. Everything seems to be OK but when I try to book an item, I get the message : "No book available..."... Do you have an idea ?
14:25 oakivil Are you using Zebra indexer?
14:25 jcamins isen514: you need to have circulation rules and holds configured.
14:25 isen514 yes
14:25 jcamins oleonard: hello.
14:26 hdl try setting up your circulation and holds configuration files.
14:27 isen514 I've tried to configure my circulation rules : authorised everyone (for testing)...
14:29 nengard bug 6764 - i didn't even know there was a shelving location search option ...
14:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6764 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , shelving location code search wrong
14:31 oleonard there is? Bug 4329 is 'Failed QA'
14:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4329 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , OPAC search by shelving location option
14:31 oleonard Oh, it's one of the choices under Keyword, etc.
14:32 oleonard That's less usable than providing a list of existing values to choose from.
14:32 kf hi jcamins
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14:34 kf oleonard: checkboxes or a list twhere you can select multiple values would be cool too :)
14:35 oleonard Bug 5980
14:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5980 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , OPAC : Adding location to search indexes in search pages
14:36 sekjal kf/oleonard:  I'm working on  a reimplemented fix for 4329 that will let you have multiple search params (item type, collection code AND/OR location)
14:36 sekjal brb
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14:36 kf sekjal: nice!
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14:39 jcamins Hi, kf. :)
14:39 nengard oleonard, yeah i knew about the one that failed qa - but didn't know about this one - which should have failed qa since it doesn't work and requires you enter a location code which patrons don't know
14:39 wizzyrea jcamins: I made the ricotta gnocchi
14:39 jcamins wizzyrea: how was it? kf said she was a little disappointed.
14:39 wizzyrea well I put mine with a tomato sauce
14:40 wizzyrea by themselves they're just gnocchi
14:40 wizzyrea surprisingly unsurprising
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14:42 wizzyrea but, I would definitely make them again, because plopping ricotta in a bowl is a lot easier than mashing potatoes
14:42 jcamins :)
14:42 druthb hi, wizzyrea!  :D
14:42 wizzyrea (and if you put them with a tasty sauce, they're quite delish)
14:43 wizzyrea hi thar
14:43 wizzyrea (and I can't help but think they might be less of a gut bomb than potato gnocchi, as ricotta is almost pure protein)
14:43 * oleonard loves gnocchi and should try making them again
14:44 wizzyrea you should :)
14:44 * nengard loves gnocchi but never made any
14:44 wizzyrea jcamins' sweet potato gnocchi were super yummy too, but a lot more work
14:45 wizzyrea nengard/oleonard you want the ricotta gnocchi recipe?
14:45 * oleonard also loves dumplings, so I guess I'm a fan of gut bombs
14:45 oleonard wizzyrea: Yes
14:45 wizzyrea[…]8-recipe-065.html
14:46 wizzyrea i might make more and freeze them
14:46 jcamins Mmm, I'll have to try them.
14:46 jcamins The sweet potato gnocchi aren't really that hard, either, just time consuming (for the lactose intolerant).
14:47 wizzyrea ^^
14:47 wizzyrea[…]r-and-Sage-233379
14:47 wizzyrea lol, never mind, that one has ricotta in it too.
14:47 wizzyrea here we go, this is the right one
14:47 wizzyrea[…]occhi/detail.aspx
14:48 oleonard How do you serve them?
14:49 jcamins oleonard: with a sage butter sauce.
14:49 wizzyrea I did it with a caper/wine sauce
14:50 * oleonard checks his watch for proximity to lunchtime
14:50 jcamins That would probably be good too, but the sage butter sauce is so amazing that we never feel the desire to try something else.
14:51 jcamins[…]sauce/detail.aspx
14:51 jcamins Only replace the packaged gnocchi with super-delicious home-made sweet potato gnocchi. :)
14:51 wizzyrea or ricotta gnocchi, if you're pressed for time :)
14:52 nengard wizzyrea, sure send it along
14:52 nengard oh there it is :)
14:52 wizzyrea seriously though I was impressed at how fast the ricotta gnocchi came together.
14:52 wizzyrea I could easliy make that after work for a 6:30 dinnertime
14:52 * oleonard whines "But I'm hungry noooowww!"
14:53 * wizzyrea sends oleonard to his room
14:53 wizzyrea (after procuring him a graham cracker)
14:54 oleonard Mmmmm... graham cracker. Are graham cracker's unique to USA?
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14:55 wizzyrea hmm. good question
14:55 wizzyrea certainly there are other types of "digestive biscuits" in other countries
14:56 kf digestive biscuits?
14:56 wizzyrea
14:56 sekjal zebrasrv has an implicit max file size of 1024 KB
14:56 sekjal unless it's started with the -k switch to indicate some other value
14:57 oleonard Only instead of helping digestion, they help curb lust.
14:58 jcamins Biscuitgate?
14:59 jcamins Really?
15:00 oleonard[…]ead-fever-of-lust
15:00 wizzyrea lol yea
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15:01 jcamins oleonard: I was responding to the fact that there was a controversy over what kind of biscuit Gordon Brown preferred.
15:03 oleonard Would that our political scandals were as lame.
15:04 jcamins True.
15:07 slef I think we know of graham crackers are mainly because of US TV. Not sure if they're widely available here.
15:07 oleonard You can make a good peanut butter and Nutella sandwich with a graham cracker.
15:09 slef Do you monitor your load averages and if so, at what values do your alarms trigger?
15:09 libsysguy If I wanted to send out a notice everyday for a certain item type...could I do that?
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15:11 nengard libsysguy anything is possible
15:11 nengard :)
15:11 slef libsysguy: probably but you'll probably need to talk to the API :)
15:11 libsysguy right...but email notices seem to be quite a mess
15:12 libsysguy with the hardcoded values for delays in the db
15:12 nengard hehe
15:12 libsysguy instead of more of a frequency
15:12 * libsysguy might cry
15:12 slef that's not how they're a mess. You might not want to look too much more closely if that's already brought you to tears :)
15:13 slef doesn't frequency = 1/delay anyway?
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15:14 libsysguy something like that
15:14 wahanui something like that is sticking in nengard's mind
15:14 libsysguy is there a ticket to rework notices?
15:14 oleonard Are you volunteering libsysguy? :P
15:15 libsysguy maybe
15:15 slef @query notices enhancement
15:15 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1785 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Notices are changable globally not per branch + overdue rules
15:15 libsysguy is the current exchange of currency Karma
15:15 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
15:15 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5539 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Options for Suggestion Emails
15:15 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4398 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Example notice for 'claims notice' in Serials
15:15 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3490 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Billing Notice/Debt Collect
15:16 oleonard May that trick be used only for good.
15:16 libsysguy ^^
15:18 nengard That is so cool :)
15:18 nengard scared to try it though
15:19 slef huginn refuses to return more than 5 matches so we need to clean up bz to make it more useful
15:19 huginn slef: I suck
15:19 slef huginn: yes, you do
15:19 huginn slef: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:20 slef @query --total notices enhancement
15:20 huginn slef: 7 results for "notices enhancement."
15:20 slef @query --total notices
15:20 huginn slef: 75 results for "notices."
15:20 oleonard Judging by huginn's self-esteem he will be the template for Marvin's AI.
15:21 slef bbl
15:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4419] Cannot change module for notice templates <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4419>
15:21 oleonard Bam!
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15:32 kf libsysguy: which hardcoded delay values?
15:33 kf libsysguy: tools > notice triggers and starting overdue_notices with -t
15:34 kf hm
15:34 kf is he already goneß
15:34 kf ?
15:34 kf time to go here too... still too warm to think
15:34 kf @wunder Konstanz
15:34 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.1�C (5:33 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
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15:35 nengard @wunder 19030
15:35 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 23.0�C (11:30 AM EDT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
15:35 druthb @wunder greenfield, in
15:35 nengard wow - no rain
15:35 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenfield, Indiana is 24.1�C (11:35 AM EDT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising).
15:35 nengard first time in nearly 2 weeks
15:35 jcamins @wunder 11375
15:35 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 24.7�C (11:31 AM EDT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
15:36 sekjal okay, I'm making some progress against the too-many-items issue
15:36 sekjal adding the 952s at the end helps, but isn't sufficient
15:37 sekjal the problem shifts to fix_biblio_id
15:37 sekjal a subroutine decorated with lots of FIXME's
15:38 libsysguy oh those are most excellent
15:38 libsysguy I found quite a few of those in
15:38 sekjal yeah, that module needs an overhaul
15:39 libsysguy Yeah I put in some work on it...but it was more tailored to our campus so I didn't want to commit it
15:54 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2534] Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2534>
15:55 hdl sekjal: ... looks like we did the same on circulation.
15:55 hdl quite recently
15:55 hdl using
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15:57 hdl erm no.
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16:00 hdl sekjal: about fix_biblio_ids, it is a problem we also had. We are using insert_fields_ordered rather than append_field
16:01 hdl But insert_field_before for marc21 should be more adapted.
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16:01 sekjal hdl:  I've mapped out the code, starting in the get_corrected_marc_record subroutine in
16:01 wizzyrea hi melia
16:01 sekjal it's not a pretty sequence
16:01 hdl and we also had to limit the number of items inserted at indexing time ?
16:02 hdl and we also had to limit the number of items inserted at indexing time.
16:02 hdl where is the code ?
16:02 wahanui the code is kept at
16:02 hdl where is sekjal's code ?
16:02 sekjal hdl:, around lines 429 to 490
16:03 sekjal then in C4/, 1057 to 1080
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16:04 hdl Is it on a git repository ?
16:05 sekjal hdl:  I haven't written any patches against this yet;  I'm just reading what's currently in Koha
16:05 sekjal trying to figure out what it's currently doing
16:05 sekjal so I can best optimize the changes
16:07 sekjal so, get_corrected_marc_record calls get_raw_marc_record, which calls GetMarcBiblio (without the embed param and only if you're using -x)
16:07 sekjal once it gets the record, it get_raw_marc_record does the EmbedItems...() subroutine
16:08 sekjal then returns the record to get_corrected_marc_record, which tries to fix_biblio_id
16:09 sekjal the updated 999 field is added in order, after all the 952s, which means it gets lost if the 952s put the record over filesize limit
16:09 sekjal what needs to happen is the fix_biblio_ids check needs to be done in GetMarcBiblio, before the Embed command
16:09 sekjal then Embed needs to be modified to append, rather than insert_ordered
16:10 sekjal we could also eliminate get_raw_marc_records call to Embed by passing the embed param to GetMarcBiblio
16:10 sekjal simplify things a little
16:11 sekjal now, the 999 field should ALWAYS be in the marcxml , right?  but in case it's not, shouldn't any call to GetMarcBiblio check and insert it if it's missing?
16:12 hdl as far as i know, what you say was my first version of code.
16:12 hdl if gmcharlt did otherwise, he surely had good reasons.
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16:14 hdl mmm what you say makes sense.
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16:15 Oak ♥ #kohart
16:15 Oak tch tch
16:16 Oak ruined it
16:16 Oak will try again
16:16 Oak ♥ #koha
16:16 Oak Guten Abend cait
16:16 sekjal EmbedItemsInMarcBiblio is only called (outside of C4::Biblio) in three places:  tools/,, and catalouging/
16:16 cait hi Oak
16:17 sekjal I think the first two of those could easily be eliminated in favour of passing the 'embed' param to GetMarcBiblio
16:20 sekjal brb; going to make some lunch
16:30 jcamins wizzyrea: around?
16:31 wizzyrea sup
16:31 jcamins What caching plugin do you use with WordPress?
16:31 wizzyrea wp Super Cache
16:32 jcamins Thanks.
16:32 wizzyrea np :)
16:34 hdl god evening
16:35 cait hi hdl
16:38 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2891] Cannot manually enter dates in some report forms <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2891>
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17:22 chris_n any recommendations on a HTML to text parser?
17:22 cait hm?
17:23 * chris_n tempts cait with a double fudge brownie
17:23 cait oh
17:23 cait how mean
17:24 cait why?
17:24 * cait likes brownies
17:24 chris_n well, in exchange for information on an html to text parser, of course ;-)
17:24 cait oh
17:24 cait so no brownie for me
17:25 cait I wondered what it would do
17:25 chris_n you may have one anyway
17:25 chris_n for being so helpful in general
17:25 cait oh, that's nice :)
17:25 * chris_n sets the whole dish out for #koha
17:34 jcamins chris_n: there must be a dehtml script.
17:35 jcamins chris_n:
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17:47 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:47 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 26.9�C (7:43 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
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19:31 oleonard I'm gone two hours and all I miss is brownies? Slow Monday.
19:32 cait :)
19:33 cait true
19:41 rangi morning
19:41 oleonard Hi rangi
19:41 oleonard Now that rangi is here we can be done with this slow Monday and start on Tuesday.
19:42 rangi Hehe
19:42 rangi
19:43 wizzyrea lol wow
19:44 rangi silly but fun
19:45 cait morning rangi
19:46 rangi hi cait
19:51 oleonard rangi: You left something out:
19:51 cait rofl
19:51 cait rangi?
19:52 rangi Hehe
19:52 wizzyrea ok that made me laugh
19:53 * wizzyrea nominates oleonard as designer of the Koha badges.
19:53 wizzyrea we could have the first gamified OPAC
19:54 rangi henry bankshead had that idea
19:54 rangi karma for patrons
19:54 wahanui patrons has neutral karma
19:55 rangi we should do it, it would rule!
19:55 cait hehe
19:55 cait koha badges sounds nice too
19:56 rangi yep u get badges to reflect how u earnt karma
19:56 rangi 100 issues without an overdue
19:56 rangi etc
19:56 wizzyrea x number of "classic" authors read
19:56 wizzyrea library achievements
19:56 rangi would be all kinda fun
19:57 wizzyrea oh oh, read x british authors, get the "god save the queen" badge
19:57 rangi Hehe
19:57 rangi yep
19:58 wizzyrea the data you need to quantify that kind of thing should be in marc, right?
19:58 rangi read rand, get mini world destroyer badge
19:58 wizzyrea ^^ LOL
19:58 rangi yup
19:58 cait hehe
19:58 cait endless possibilities
19:59 rangi would be very cool for publics and schools
19:59 rangi ok my stop bbiab
19:59 wizzyrea oh yea, that would be awesome
19:59 oleonard I could check out the complete works of Dickens and return them the next day unread.
20:00 oleonard ...not that my director would mind the stats on that kind of gaming.
20:00 wizzyrea just like you can game foursquare :P
20:00 rangi ud been in the lib twice
20:00 rangi for that
20:00 cait hm
20:00 rangi its all good
20:00 rangi brb
20:00 wizzyrea yea, I mean, you get people coming in just to get library badges
20:01 wizzyrea that's... that's epic marketing.
20:01 wizzyrea i mean really.
20:01 wizzyrea this must happen.
20:01 slef wizzyrea: errr, having British republicans count towards a "god save the queen" badge may be a bit odd. How about "keep calm and carry on"?
20:02 wizzyrea I like that too!
20:02 slef (ok, it has a crown on it, but it's still cool ;-) )
20:02 wizzyrea hehe
20:02 wizzyrea yours is better actually
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20:02 slef God save the Queen... because no-one else will!
20:03 * slef wanders off to sharpen the pike ^W^W^W cook dinner
20:03 cait ^W^W?
20:03 wizzyrea haha
20:03 wizzyrea[…]-popup-generator/
20:04 slef cait: delete-word
20:04 * cait was thinking about a callnumber blinking and the first to get the book gets a badge...
20:04 wizzyrea hee
20:04 slef cait: try it in a bash prompt some time.
20:04 wizzyrea "book of the day"
20:04 cait slef: is something going to explode?
20:04 wizzyrea or "section of the day"
20:05 cait wizzyrea: but could perhaps lead to not so pretty results...
20:05 slef cait: not as long as you have a word on the command line to feed it
20:05 slef cait: and that's control-W not a ^ and a W
20:05 wizzyrea well, that's why I thought maybe "section" instead of "specific item"
20:05 cait trying
20:05 cait but perhaps I am too tired
20:05 slef do German keyboards still label ctrl as strg or something?
20:05 cait yep
20:06 slef cool
20:06 cait strg = steuerung I think
20:06 cait or whatever
20:06 cait my word vanishes?
20:06 cait oh
20:06 slef right... I'm going to steuerung some dinner.
20:06 cait it deleted the last word from the line?
20:07 slef yes
20:07 slef you can bring it back with ^Y
20:07 slef (paste/yank)
20:07 slef don't confuse delete-word (^W) with control-alt-delete-W which is delete-world
20:08 rangi back
20:08 * cait make snotes ;)
20:08 cait wb rangi
20:10 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
20:10 cait I am tepted to try it
20:10 cait hi magnuse
20:10 magnuse kia ora cait & #koha
20:11 wizzyrea ok... so now i'm curious about achievement systems, check this out:[…]for-iphone-games/ (ignore the fact that it's for iphone games, the theory remains)
20:11 wizzyrea think about how much we already track
20:12 * magnuse is looking forward to reading
20:12 wizzyrea OOo!
20:12 wizzyrea good one
20:12 wizzyrea (seriously, no other ILS does this, right?)
20:12 magnuse not that i have heard of!
20:13 rangi nope itd be a first i think
20:13 magnuse and how hard can it be? ;-)
20:13 wizzyrea HA
20:13 wizzyrea it's just a database, right?
20:13 magnuse with crazy rules...
20:14 * wizzyrea cackles evilly
20:14 magnuse and...
20:14 cait hehe
20:14 magnuse @quote get 123
20:14 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:14 cait enh bug? :)
20:14 oleonard That usually works.
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20:14 wizzyrea RFC, lol.
20:15 magnuse in norway we say that good preparations is half the work, so...
20:15 magnuse well, a wiki page for doodling won't hurt
20:15 rangi id do enh bug, and a proof of concept and let the rfc grow from there
20:15 rangi overspeccing is the death of innovation :)
20:15 wizzyrea yes to all of that
20:15 cait :)
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20:18 * magnuse wasn't thinking of a spec, more a place to share ideas...
20:18 wizzyrea I've started one
20:18 magnuse yay!
20:23 wizzyrea[…]Gamifying_the_ILS
20:23 wizzyrea it's messy
20:23 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2539] kohaspsuggest is deprecated, notes outmoded <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2539>
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20:25 bencahill is there anything complicated in transferring a koha install? I just tried, but I'm missing something...
20:26 bencahill db dump/import, copied /etc/koha, configured apache, and setup zebrasrv's daemon
20:26 bencahill started everything, and staring at a dir listing...
20:27 * magnuse puts a big bowl of freshly made wild-raspberry-ice-cream in the middle of #koha and wanders off to eat the rest of it...
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20:28 cait oooh
20:29 wizzyrea !
20:29 bencahill nvm, koha-httpd.conf was marked as executable, and apache probably didn't like that...all good now! :-D
20:29 wizzyrea yay!
20:29 bencahill my fault for transferring data using a samba share
20:30 bencahill but nonetheless, quite an easy transition!
20:35 bencahill am I supposed to have a /var/lock/koha dir?
20:37 bencahill I remember setting ownership to koha:koha on /var/lock/koha/zebradb/ , but I don't have such a dir here?
20:37 wizzyrea magnuse:[…]Gamifying_the_ILS
20:38 sekjal nice!
20:39 sekjal I should pass that to hankbank; he was talking about a Karma system earlier, and that could dovetail right in
20:41 cait bencahill: did you transfer a dev install?
20:42 cait hm etc/koha looks like a standard install, so you might be missing files form other directories I think
20:43 bencahill cait: no
20:43 bencahill cait: yeah, I didn't copy the /var/lib/koha or /var/lock/koha dirs...
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20:51 rangi release day today eh?
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21:38 rangi coffee time, bbiab
21:51 cait mmh coffee
21:51 rangi back
21:57 cait hmm
21:57 cait What's the problem here?
21:58 cait <option value="[% frameworkcodeloo.value %]" [% frameworkcodeloo.selected %]>
21:58 cait [% frameworkcodeloo.frameworktext %]
21:58 cait </option>
21:59 cait class="hilighted"?
22:00 rangi ?
22:01 cait the script tells me I have to fix something in the option thing
22:02 cait but I don't see a directive there
22:02 cait and the other is only something I wondered, the class is named highlighted in other places
22:05 cait ok, will ignore it for now
22:06 libsysguy so I wrote a script to parse a CSV of subscriptions and insert them into the db but when i click the titles I don't get an option to edit them individually
22:06 libsysguy did I forget to insert something somewhere?
22:09 cait what do youmean you don't get an option to edit?
22:10 libsysguy if I click a title typically there is an option to edit the subscription right next to the button to add a new subscription
22:10 libsysguy but there is also no information in the subscription when you click into it
22:10 cait hm
22:10 cait have you tried adding a subscription manually and compare?
22:10 libsysguy so maybe i need to poke some data somewhere else in the DB
22:11 libsysguy yes.  I got all the fields correct in the subscription table
22:11 cait which tables have you filled with data?
22:11 libsysguy but i didn't insert into the subscriptionhistory table
22:11 libsysguy just subscription
22:12 cait hm
22:12 cait perhaps you also need serials and serialitems
22:12 cait a first predicted volume maybe?
22:12 libsysguy perhaps
22:12 libsysguy i bet that is it
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22:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0�C (12:00 AM CEST on August 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
22:23 rangi @wunder wellington nz
22:23 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 23, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035 hPa (Rising).
22:24 cait too warm :(
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22:48 eythian <-- friends don't let friends do PHP
22:48 rangi heh
22:58 chilts that's a good'un
22:59 mtj sheesh, no build-bot for the php releases... :/
23:00 mtj and.. cheers chris! :)
23:04 eythian <-- related
23:06 chilts lol
23:16 eythian mtj: almost done with making the stars rating stuff work on 3.4 and generally touching it up.
23:16 cait morning eythian
23:16 eythian hi cait
23:16 mtj me? or you?
23:16 eythian mtj: me :)
23:17 mtj eep, me too!
23:17 eythian haha
23:17 eythian that's why I said I was doing it on bug 5668 :)
23:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Star ratings in the opac
23:17 mtj[…]da29320244ed0a7a6
23:18 cait you should work on your communication
23:18 cait ;)
23:18 mtj yeah, good call - i was too busy to update the bug :/
23:19 mtj yeah, it happens some times...
23:19 eythian[…]5668-star-ratings <-- mine's here
23:22 mtj looks nice
23:23 mtj i ended up doing some 'display enhancments', so mines a little diff in functionallity..
23:23 mtj and some db performance tweaks, etc
23:25 mtj mines 99% done, with unit tests and pod
23:27 mtj .
23:27 mtj but thanks for taking a wack at it, for me!
23:27 * cait hands out cookies and goes to bed
23:39 mtj fyi, i updated the bug... including a deserved apology
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23:42 eythian heh :)
23:44 eythian I'm going to push this one up in the next hour or so because I need to get it in for a couple of clients, but we can probably put your stuff on top as patches afterwards without too much difficulty.

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