IRC log for #koha, 2011-08-16

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00:00 huginn Bug 5788: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix.
00:00 bg ah is he here?
00:00 paulnz hi all
00:00 rangi id use either the wr or the bug to ask bg
00:02 eythian mtj: it is something to do with the db, if I switch to another one it works.
00:02 eythian curious, but not something I need to bother about right now.
00:03 mtj cool...
00:11 bg nice melia updated the wr for us
00:11 melia :)
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00:23 paulnz hi rangi
00:24 rangi hiya paulnz
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00:41 libsysguy hey guys
00:41 libsysguy (and #Koha girls)
00:51 bg heya libsysguy
00:51 wahanui well, libsysguy is curious why it is looking for the biblios table
01:25 libsysguy and back
01:25 libsysguy anybody up for helping me tackle an ldap question
01:37 wizzyrea I am the walrus, koo koo ka choo
01:56 rangi ok
01:56 rangi How would you explain 'Authority Search Results'?  I'm translating it in
01:56 rangi Koha but am not sure of the exact meaning of 'authority' here.
01:56 rangi how the hell do you explain authorities in library world to someone
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02:04 paulnz try this rangi
02:04 paulnz when you come up with explanation you'll be ahead of plenty of librarians
02:04 paulnz
02:05 rangi heh
02:05 rangi thanks that oughta help (its for the updating the maori translations)
02:12 rangi wizzyrea: you might know this
02:13 rangi does nekls have a floating collection?
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02:16 rangi hi jransom
02:19 jransom hi Chris
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02:24 wizzyrea rangi: nope, nekls doesn't have a floathing collection
02:24 wizzyrea floating, even
02:24 rangi dangit
02:24 wizzyrea floathing... that must be a freudian slip
02:25 rangi im not sure how to do it
02:25 wizzyrea hmm
02:25 wizzyrea well
02:25 rangi a set of items that shouldnt prompt for being returned to their homebranch
02:26 wizzyrea well in this case, homebranch = where they currently are
02:27 rangi homebranch = where they should be, once they have finished floating at some point in the future
02:27 wizzyrea ooh yuck
02:27 rangi yeah
02:27 rangi if we had a homebrnach=floating
02:28 rangi and current branch, where they are
02:28 wizzyrea or a flag for floating
02:28 rangi i wonder if there is a way to say nothing in floating should prompt for transfer
02:29 wizzyrea but it could technically be transited to another branch to fill a request right?
02:30 wizzyrea well we'd need to know whether ^ that scenario exists
02:30 wizzyrea because if it doesn't, you could set an itype and do local hold only
02:30 wizzyrea or no hold
02:30 rangi yep, you could transfer for reserve
02:30 rangi but when you return it, it shouldnt prompt to go home
02:30 wizzyrea well that blows that then :)
02:30 rangi BUT everything else should
02:30 wizzyrea aha
02:31 * wizzyrea was imagining a floating collection where every item in the set floated together
02:31 rangi nope
02:31 wizzyrea so these items live wherever they are, technically
02:31 rangi yeah
02:31 wizzyrea until it's time to go home
02:31 rangi yup
02:32 rangi so that if a Patea customer reserves a Hawera book, and returns the book at Patea, it stays as part of the Patea collection.
02:32 wizzyrea but you still need to know that it started out at Hawera
02:32 rangi ideally
02:33 wizzyrea the dirty way I think of would be to store the real home in the private note of the item record
02:33 wizzyrea or somesuch
02:34 rangi yeah i had that thought :)
02:36 wizzyrea but then again, libraries keep oher stuff there too
02:36 wizzyrea so could get mess
02:36 wizzyrea messy even.
02:36 rangi yeah i think doing it properly with a flag is the way
02:37 rangi then you could bulk update
02:37 wizzyrea authorized value?
02:37 rangi that might work
02:39 wizzyrea woot 3 part name searching!
02:39 wizzyrea I know what I'll be testing tomorrow
02:39 rangi heh
02:49 rangi libsysguy:[…]stes/2CFjbA?src=5
02:49 rangi (since i missed you yesterday)
02:52 libsysguy yes! i was looking for you yesterday for some good music
02:55 paulnz do they need a home?
02:55 paulnz could home be floating?
02:55 paulnz then when you've finished the float cycle, bulk update them with a home?
02:55 rangi yup that could be home, but then we'd need to tell koha, stop trying to transfer things back to floating ;)
02:55 paulnz and floating can be done at item and collection level?
02:55 rangi that would be cool
02:56 rangi its just the code to say, 'if this is floating, dont prompt to transfer'
02:56 rangi shouldnt be a big job to do that though
03:15 wizzyrea famous last words
03:15 wizzyrea i meann, it *is* reserves...
03:16 rangi heh, well wont actually be touching reserves
03:16 rangi its AddReturn
03:16 rangi which in the scheme of things is almost sane
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03:24 rangi @quote get 123
03:24 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:48 rangi chilts: im being lazy, what license is go released under?
03:49 chilts the one Google usually do, I think it's a BSD one ... I'll check
03:50 chilts BSD-style
03:50 chilts apaprently
03:50 rangi ta
03:51 rangi youve given up on node.js ?
03:51 chilts
03:51 chilts am doing both Node and Go! at the moment
03:52 chilts I like them both for different reasons :)
03:52 rangi cool
03:52 rangi i think im gonna play with perl6 more
03:52 chilts I updated my queue thing in Node last week (just a play thing) :
03:52 chilts I should do, but not yet :)
03:52 rangi :)
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05:16 rangi @wunder wellington nz
05:16 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 2.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
05:17 eythian we just had a short hailstorm here
05:25 eythian
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05:49 cait morning #koha
05:54 cait rangi around?
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06:08 cait from away to afk? :)
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06:09 magnuse hm, seems it goes back to what i was before i logged off...
06:10 cait god morgen :)
06:10 magnuse guten morgen!
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06:25 alex_a bonjour #koha !
06:25 magnuse bonjour alex_a
06:25 alex_a hi magnuse :)
06:25 cait bonjour alex_a :)
06:26 alex_a hi cait
06:26 alex_a :)
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06:53 magnuse kia ora hdl
06:54 hdl hi magnuse
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07:18 kf good morning #koha
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07:44 julian hello #koha
07:46 rangi around now
07:47 kf rangi: I was only thinking that the floating collections sounds similar to the rotating collection things
07:49 rangi similair
07:49 rangi similar even
07:49 rangi but not quite the same
07:49 rangi rotating is more you move items to a branch and they stay there a while, then the whole collection moves
07:49 rangi the floating one is more, and item can be anywhere
07:50 rangi it never has to return home, until its no longer floating
07:50 rangi both are good features to have
08:00 mtj interesting....
08:00 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
08:00 mtj[…]e_of_node_dot_js/
08:02 kf rangi: ah ok :)
08:02 kf @wunder Wellington, NZ
08:02 huginn kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0�C (7:00 PM NZST on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:04 rangi its warmed up lots
08:04 rangi it was 2
08:04 kf that's good, right?
08:07 rangi yep
08:08 kf :)
08:25 magnuse buses running again?
08:28 rangi at the moment yup
08:28 magnuse yay! ;-)
08:35 rangi wow
08:35 rangi that was a huge fail
08:35 kf hm?
08:35 rangi latest message to the list
08:36 rangi guy sends a mail to the list, replying to the digest and quoting the entire digest, owen answers and asks him not to reply to digests
08:36 rangi and then he sends another mail, asking the same question, replying to the digest, that contains owen answering him
08:39 magnuse ouch
08:46 slef rangi: one of reasons I now delete digests unread unless I'm a list admin. The world can't afford the data transfer charges of encouraging bad posters.
08:46 slef hi all
08:46 magnuse kia ora slef
08:47 rangi i never answer anyone who posts the exact same question 2 days in a row anyway
08:49 kf hi slef
08:52 slef rangi: I don't get to answer that quickly at the moment :(
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08:53 Judit good evening
08:54 Judit how do you change  the blue background on the opac at the top to a different colour?
08:55 rangi
08:56 Judit cool rangi thank you
08:56 Judit do you really have snow down there?
08:56 rangi yes
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08:57 rangi[…]snow-from-the-sky
08:58 Judit how many snowman have you built?
08:58 rangi[…]mid-weather-chaos
08:58 rangi none, im bored of snow already :)
08:59 Judit snow is so much fun!
08:59 Judit go out and bulid one!
08:59 rangi snow is annoying
08:59 Judit no
08:59 Judit snow is beautiful and funfunfun
09:00 rangi no its really not, it causes crashes, and people to die of hypothermia, specially in places like christchurch where people still have broken houses from the earthquake
09:00 Judit well, you need to be ready for snow, that is true
09:05 slef rangi: did you know Wellington+Auckland snow was on our national news shows yesterday? #sillyseason
09:06 rangi heh
09:07 rangi its actually the ice thats the problem in wellington
09:07 rangi with our steep hills and narrow windy streets
09:07 slef Always is. People drive on snow = ice from day 2 onwards.
09:07 rangi sliding buses and cars = not good
09:07 slef if there were no cars, bikes could still use most of the snowy roads OK
09:08 slef but once it gets icy, walking is the only safe way.
09:08 rangi yup
09:08 slef Well, it's currently a traditional English summer outside here.
09:09 rangi we had power outages yesterday too, which since most of our buses are electric made a mess
09:09 slef I think we're high enough up the hill not to flood, though.
09:09 rangi heh
09:09 slef Our buses just give up as soon as there's snow, citing safety.
09:10 rangi yeah, they gave up at 7pm last night here, but were on again this morning
09:10 slef One of the advantages of life in a big city :)
09:10 rangi still a few routes closed
09:10 slef So "made a mess" = just stopped dead where they were?
09:11 slef or do they have a neutral so  people could push them off the road?
09:11 slef bbi30ish
09:13 rangi they can run under autonomous power for a little while
09:13 rangi so they unhook from the wires and park up somewhere safe
09:13 rangi then connect back to the wire and wait for the power to come back on
09:14 rangi cold for the poor drivers
09:14 magnuse how often does something like this happen in wellington?
09:15 magnuse the very beautiful video from Cuba street said "once in a lifetime"?
09:15 rangi been about 50 years
09:15 magnuse oh wow
09:15 magnuse no wonder you seem a little unprepared, then ;-)
09:16 rangi its a storm straight from antartica, that came up way faster than they normally do, normally they warm up a bit by the time the get to nz
09:17 rangi and snow to sea level in wellington is pretty much unheard of
09:20 rangi so snow plus 111kmph gusts = not fun
09:20 magnuse nope!
09:21 rangi our house only got flurries, but we got the wind and hail
09:21 magnuse bad enough!
09:23 rangi yeah, it was fun for the people who have never seen snow before
09:34 magnuse :-)
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10:27 slef so, what do you make of http://www.librarytechnology.o[…] "3M Company and EnvisionWare, Inc. have entered into a confidential settlement agreement [about RFID patents]"
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10:35 magnuse slef: just that software patents are evil...
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10:52 magnuse o/
10:59 druthb o/
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11:18 rangi kmkale: are you about?
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13:21 Topic for #koha is now Next General IRC Meeting 7 September 2011 at 18.00 UTC. This is a nominations meeting.
13:23 libsysguy I am getting this error when trying to check in a book in dropbox mode
13:23 libsysguy Can’t locate object method ‘new’ via package “koha” at /home/koha/kohaclone/c4/circulation, pm line 1798, <DATA> line 522
13:24 libsysguy and I really don't know where to start trouble shooting it
13:29 oleonard I wish I knew what to suggest libsysguy. FWIW I don't get the error in my test install.
13:29 jcamins_away libsysguy: missing some date calculation module?
13:29 jcamins_away That's the only thing I an think of.
13:29 Agent_Dani Brooke: Nice link! I was thinking about the birds in my area after hearing an owl while drifting off to sleep last night.
13:30 Brooke the profiles are pretty suck, which is stinky
13:30 Brooke but the voice stuff is great
13:30 Brooke and this guy *was* vocal.
13:31 libsysguy hmm
13:34 hdl1 hi all
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13:34 Brooke Oak!!
13:34 Oak Brooke!!
13:34 wahanui Brooke tripped on the cord, broke the internet or not fond of a single person blocking another.
13:35 hdl1 anyone having no display for  error pages on 3.4 ?
13:35 * Brooke gives Oak a big hug.
13:35 Oak aww
13:35 Brooke ha!
13:35 Brooke wahanui forget Brooke
13:35 wahanui Brooke: I forgot brooke
13:35 Oak how are ya Brooke?
13:35 hdl1 lucky Oak a big Brooke's hug in the morning
13:35 * Brooke can share!
13:36 * Brooke gives a big hug to the Flying Frenchman.
13:36 Oak hehe
13:36 oleonard hdl1: No display?
13:37 hdl1 blank page.
13:37 oleonard What kind of error pages?
13:37 hdl1 Brooke: Big hug
13:37 hdl1 400 404
13:37 hdl1 it calls HTML::Template::Pro
13:38 * oleonard gets the right error page for 403 and 404
13:39 Brooke d'oh bywater's running 3.5 so I can't reproduce that :(
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13:51 wizzyrea mornin
13:51 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:52 Brooke howdy
13:52 wahanui que tal, Brooke
13:54 Brooke on one hand, seeing rare birds is cool. On the other hand, it means I almost always need an ornithologist buddy. Haven't had that luxury in like at least a decade.
13:57 hdl1 oleonard: i have a call to errors/400.tmpl
13:58 hdl1 in
13:58 hdl1 I don't think it should be that
13:58 oleonard hdl1: I don't understand how it works. I see lots of calls to tmpl files in the scripts
14:04 kf ie-- css--
14:13 kf bye all
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14:38 * oleonard is happy that Bug 6253 get's wizzyrea's signoff. Sounds like a great improvement
14:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
14:39 wizzyrea good old henry :)
14:39 wizzyrea does srdjan have an IRC nick?
14:41 oleonard We should plug more often
14:41 * oleonard doesn't even see Brooke on there
14:42 oleonard We should list the bots there too
14:53 wizzyrea are you doing that or should I add them :)
14:53 oleonard Go ahead if you're inclined. I'm just shooting my mouth off
14:53 wizzyrea I'll do it
14:54 wizzyrea I'm already in
14:54 oleonard I also wonder if we should trim those who are not seen after a certain amount of time
14:54 oleonard @seen acmoore
14:54 huginn oleonard: I have not seen acmoore.
14:54 wizzyrea yea, I was trimming some
14:54 wizzyrea like that one
14:56 * jcamins_away plays a funeral dirge for Z39.50.
14:56 jcamins_away MELVYL no longer supports Z39.50.
14:56 oleonard I didn't even know Z39.50 was sick
14:56 jcamins_away Nor did I, but apparently we're behind the times.
14:58 oleonard What magic protocol is up and coming?
14:59 jcamins_away oleonard: "do the search in the OPAC your own damn self."
14:59 Agent_Dani heh
14:59 oleonard :D
14:59 * jcamins_away dials in to a conference call.
14:59 oleonard I know some librarians who run that protocol
15:00 Agent_Dani The evening I had a dream in it was when I knew I needed a vacation.
15:02 wizzyrea IRC regulars is at
15:02 wizzyrea irc regulars?
15:02 wahanui irc regulars is at
15:02 magnuse bibsys here in norway are only supporting SRU for the future. their z39.50 server is still running, but they have said if saomething happens to it they won't repair
15:02 wizzyrea bots are listed at
15:02 wizzyrea bots?
15:02 wahanui bots are cloning?
15:03 wizzyrea forget bots
15:03 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot bots
15:03 wizzyrea bots are listed at
15:03 wizzyrea bots?
15:03 wahanui bots are listed at
15:03 oleonard Well done wizzyrea, thank you.
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15:30 rhcl The hummingbird migration in the US is underway; I routinely have 2-6 hummingbirds at my feeders
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15:50 oleonard Hi melia, I read about you in a press release!
15:50 melia :)
15:50 melia I'm famous!
15:51 rhcl whois melia
15:51 oleonard[…]perations-manager
15:51 rhcl just googled it
15:51 rhcl :)
16:07 jcamins_away rhcl: I'm not familiar with that ILS, Hummingbird. Tell them to switch to Koha. :)
16:11 rhcl IRT Brooke post @0854.  I wonder, having now posted this, if there is a way to set xchat to zulu time? But that would only help if everybody else on channel was set to zulu too.
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16:49 slef rhcl: does xchat not take from TZ environment variable?  So start it with "env TZ=UTC xchat"
16:50 slef bibsys here in norway?
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17:02 bencahill hey guys, what scripts do I need to run to upgrade database (mysql) from 3.2.x to 3.4.x? running --run now...
17:03 bencahill I'm getting a ton of these, by the way, should I be concerned?
17:03 bencahill Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2796.
17:07 rhcl test
17:07 luisb success
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17:15 rhcl OK, maybe I'strftime
17:15 rhcl disregard above
17:16 rhcl OK, maybe I'm just not seeing it, but is there nothing in strftime that lets you specify UTC explicitly?
17:16 libsysguy hey guys...I am getting a weird error that im not really sure how to troubleshoot
17:16 libsysguy its:   Can’t locate object method ‘new’ via package “koha” at /home/koha/kohaclone/c4/circulation, pm line 1798, <DATA> line 522
17:17 libsysguy and it happens when i go to return a checkout in dropbox mode
17:24 bencahill hmm, everyone seems to be asleep :-/
17:24 libsysguy sadly
17:26 slef rhcl: perl strftime?
17:26 rhcl slef: linux (man) strftime (should be the same surely)
17:27 rhcl libsysguy: is there nothing in google that gives you a hint?  http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/035103.html
17:28 slef rhcl: setenv TZ to UTC first?
17:29 bencahill how long should the remove_items_from_biblioitems take to run on a database with 2000 biblios/items? it's been running for over 20 minutes!
17:29 wizzyrea it can take a really long time
17:29 wizzyrea it was hours on our DB
17:29 wizzyrea about 6
17:29 bencahill wizzyrea: how many items?
17:29 wizzyrea 750k ish
17:29 rhcl slef: yea, that's probably the correct solution.
17:29 bencahill wizzyrea: I've only got 2k, so it should be done pretty soon then?
17:30 wizzyrea seems like it shouldn't take too much longer
17:30 slef ok... I've been asked to change the label "Barcode" in the librarian interface. Am I right in thinking that's going to be everywhere in the templates?
17:30 bencahill not necessarily a fast server, so that's probably slowing it down as well
17:30 bencahill wizzyrea: kthx, off to lunch now...
17:30 wizzyrea libsysguy: I'm not getting that error on my dev box
17:31 wizzyrea maybe something to do with hourly loans mucking it up?
17:31 wizzyrea slef: yea, it's all over
17:31 wizzyrea maybe a translation would serve you better in that case
17:32 wizzyrea instead of mucking about with the templates
17:32 wizzyrea just a thought.
17:32 slef yeah, I was wondering that, but they want the change only in librarian... so I guess different languages in the two?
17:32 wizzyrea well they have independent strings, right?
17:33 * wizzyrea is not an expert on translation
17:33 slef I think so. Been a while since I touched this.
17:33 wizzyrea maybe kf can answer that
17:33 wizzyrea ping kf / cait
17:33 slef hrm, "Barcode" is peppered through lots of the strings.
17:33 slef I think cait's between work and home or something
17:33 wizzyrea aha
17:33 wizzyrea speaking of which
17:33 wizzyrea lunch
17:34 wizzyrea pour moi
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17:41 cait hi #koha
17:41 libsysguy wizzyrea: i found out what it was
17:42 libsysguy its an error in hourly loans
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17:48 cait hi libsysguy
17:48 libsysguy hey cait
17:50 slef hi cait. If someone wants to change the word "barcode" everywhere in the staff interface only (not the OPAC), do you think a translation should be able to do that OK?
17:52 cait hm yes
17:52 cait but lots of strings might have to be changed
17:52 cait what is it supposed to be changed to?
17:52 cait and is it really necessary?
17:52 slef yes, I'll let the librarian do that. They might decide it's not so important then.
17:52 slef ;-)
17:53 cait :)
17:53 cait poedit is good
17:53 cait perhaps even something like search and replace, you might want to check
17:53 slef right. I should take a look at that.
17:53 cait also pretty good for finding problems with the files
17:53 cait can check for missing placeholders and such that will break translations
17:55 slef cool. I thought there was a msglint or something but I can't find it now :(
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17:58 cait msglint?
17:58 wizzyrea libsysguy: hoorah!
17:58 wizzyrea (that you found the problem)
17:58 wizzyrea (not that it's broken, of course)
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18:12 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:12 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
18:13 wizzyrea br
18:14 rangi yeah the windchill is not fun
18:15 rangi Routes 4/32 Are now running as Route 1 services
18:15 rangi crap!
18:15 wizzyrea due to snow?
18:15 rangi ice
18:15 wizzyrea !
18:15 bencahill wizzyrea: still going... :-P
18:15 rangi our hill is steep
18:16 wizzyrea gonna have to hike down to get the bus?
18:17 rangi yup
18:17 wizzyrea blerg
18:18 bg @wunder 93109
18:18 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8�C (11:17 AM PDT on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).
18:18 rangi[…]-as-weather-eases
18:18 rangi checkout picture 2
18:19 wizzyrea o my lord
18:20 rangi colder would actually be better
18:20 wizzyrea yea, no melting/freezing
18:20 wizzyrea at least here, it's when it melts and re-freezes that it really becomes a problem
18:21 rangi[…]snow-from-the-sky <-- pretty cool video
18:21 wizzyrea oooo pretty
18:22 wizzyrea you guys really got it wow
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18:28 wizzyrea I like how the ad on the winter weather black ice story is a lovely picture of the tropics.
18:28 wizzyrea at least it is for me ;)
18:31 rangi hehe
18:42 oleonard So anyone working on anything fun these days?
18:43 rangi not probably until after october
18:44 * oleonard has dutifully updated his jquery-ui branch, still wondering when the menu component is going to be released
18:44 rangi menu component?
18:44 oleonard A jquery-ui native widget to replace the YUI menu widget
18:45 oleonard It's in alpha right now. The last piece which needs to be placed before we can ditch YUI js
18:45 cait oh
18:45 rangi ahh
18:45 cait couldn't we start with replacing othermodules first?
18:45 rangi half and half would be messy
18:45 oleonard We could. I hoped to be able to add jquery ui at the same time we removed YUI so as not to double-up on dependencies
18:46 cait ok
18:47 oleonard Although I'm getting impatient...
18:50 rangi hehe
18:51 cait hm something fun
18:52 rangi i started on the read api for open library
18:53 rangi which pulls in their digital copies if they exist
18:53 rangi works now, but needs lots of UI work
18:54 oleonard Neat
18:55 rangi[…]s/new_openlibrary
18:58 rangi ok, i hear kids awake
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18:58 rangi bbl
18:58 rhcl OK, so my TSS is editing marc records, and would like to hid numerous fields that we never use. How to do?
18:58 rhcl hide
18:58 oleonard Edit the framework
18:59 wizzyrea edit the marc framework, set the fields to 'hide'
18:59 rhcl Yea, that's what she's doing now but it's really time consuming to do all, and then we need to reboot the server to apply the changes.
19:00 wizzyrea !!
19:00 jcamins_away rhcl: run sudo /etc/init.d/memcached restart
19:00 wizzyrea reboot it?!
19:00 wizzyrea oh memcached.
19:00 wahanui hmmm... memcached is not generalized in all the modules.
19:00 jcamins_away Better yet, put /etc/init.d/memcached restart in cron.daily.
19:00 jcamins_away :D
19:00 wizzyrea forget memcached
19:00 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot memcached
19:01 jcamins_away wahanui: reboot it is the standard, first-resort troubleshooting technique for Windows.
19:01 wahanui OK, jcamins_away.
19:01 jcamins_away reboot it?!?
19:01 wahanui reboot it is, like, the standard, first-resort troubleshooting technique for Windows
19:01 wizzyrea editing the framework can definitely be time consuming.
19:04 rhcl so what's a fix?
19:04 rhcl (we're looking for things to fund)
19:05 wizzyrea allow external editing and import of frameworks?
19:05 wizzyrea you can already export them.
19:05 wizzyrea can we import too? (through the gui, i mean)
19:05 cait yep
19:05 wizzyrea oh, then
19:05 wizzyrea rhcl
19:05 wizzyrea do it in CSV
19:05 wizzyrea :P
19:05 cait but nicole reported a bug for that today
19:05 rhcl yes?
19:05 wizzyrea and import it
19:05 cait she also has a video tutorial somewhere
19:05 cait 3.4 i think
19:06 cait[…]st-add-framework/
19:06 wizzyrea yea, rhcl
19:07 wizzyrea just use the exporter
19:07 wizzyrea export it into CSV
19:07 wizzyrea edit it however you want
19:07 wizzyrea and reimport it
19:07 libsysguy is anybody familiar with C4/
19:07 wizzyrea more accurately, export, edit, create a new framework, then import
19:08 wizzyrea or import it over the old one
19:08 wizzyrea seems dangerous though
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19:15 rhcl well, we just did all that and it seems to work. We owe wizzyrea a lolipop.
19:16 wizzyrea HUZZA
19:16 wizzyrea I wasn't able to duplicate her bug either
19:16 wizzyrea I just imported a framework exported from my test system, into the bywater demo
19:16 wizzyrea and it seems to work just fine
19:17 oleonard For a second there I thought rhcl said he owed wizzyrea a laptop
19:17 wizzyrea that would be cool too.
19:18 rhcl You know, I've purchased two laptops recently, one for The Director and one for our new bookstore manager. Both had Win 7 installed, and couldn't get either of the &%$%$ to connect to our wireless.
19:19 rhcl Installed Linux Mint 11 on both, worked just fine, and neither of them had any complaints about them not being Windows.
19:19 rhcl I'm working on an all-linux library
19:20 cait nengard: around?
19:21 rhcl BTW, wizzyrea, the newest version of Userful (auto upgrade in our case) has a FF plugin that spoofs the user agent string which helps with some sites demanding IE.
19:21 wizzyrea oh that is very very cool
19:22 rhcl If the site is really using ActiveX it won't help, but will with just about anything else that does a browser check.
19:23 wizzyrea :) I do the same with my tablet - i set the user agent as "desktop" so sites won't show me the mobile version on my lovely whatever-size screen it is that isn't a phone.
19:32 wizzyrea I feel special, I have 1337 spam.
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19:34 hguewmLibrarian :) I'm not interrupting anything, am I?
19:34 cait no
19:34 cait :)
19:34 cait hi hguewmLibrarian
19:34 hguewmLibrarian hi cait
19:35 hguewmLibrarian i've got a technical ponderance for the koha gurus
19:35 hguewmLibrarian it deals with fines reports
19:35 hguewmLibrarian is this the wrong place?
19:36 cait we don#t know your question yet :)
19:37 cait and not sure there are questions where this is the wrong place
19:37 hguewmLibrarian ok. So I'm looking to create a SQL report: showing cumulative fines paid
19:38 hguewmLibrarian so (date) to (date) fines paid - amount (cumulative) - detail on the patron name and payment date
19:38 hguewmLibrarian I found a beauty on the net, that gives current fines owed.
19:38 hguewmLibrarian but not this
19:39 cait hm
19:39 cait I have something similar I think
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19:40 cait oh
19:40 cait can't access that installation from here
19:42 cait it's definitely possible
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19:42 hguewmLibrarian hmm...
19:42 Brooke kia ora
19:42 cait if you pm me your email I can send you the report I have tomorrow
19:42 hguewmLibrarian i figured the koha gurus would know
19:42 hguewmLibrarian sure. :) Thanks cait
19:43 cait I am too tired to figure it out from scratch now... or perhaps I will give it a try
19:46 aarkerio hi!!
19:46 aarkerio somebody can help me with this:
19:46 aarkerio[…]aarkerio_2238.png
19:46 aarkerio where can I add an item type?
19:47 wizzyrea aarkerio: Administration -> Item Types
19:48 wizzyrea well these cocoa dusted almonds are not at all what I thought i was buying, but they are delicious none the less
19:48 wizzyrea these are actually chocolate enrobed cocoa dusted almonds.
19:48 aarkerio mmm, thanks!
19:48 wizzyrea I just wanted the cocoa dusting. :P
19:52 aarkerio By the way, somebody knows a link about how to add a scientific magazine to Koha?
19:53 Brooke try a search for cataloguing serials in Koha
19:54 Brooke I can only imagine nengard's written summat up
19:54 aarkerio thanks!!  Koha is great!
20:03 rangi back
20:03 rangi wizzyrea: in case you havent already, pleas update the bug report :)
20:03 wizzyrea hehe yea, phoneeeeeeeee
20:03 rangi :)
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20:08 libsysguy ok so I had a crazy idea today and I want to run it by somebody with programming experience
20:08 libsysguy any body want to let me pick their brain
20:11 libsysguy in there are two functions that I am interested in (search_method, checkpw_ldap).  I need to do a recursive search for a user since we have 2 OU's at my school, one for students one for fac/staff.  Since checkpw_ldap can only bind to one I want to call search_method from inside checkpw_ldap to do a search for my user then do a bind
20:18 rangi melia: nice press!
20:18 cait wizzyrea: can the runtime parameters bring up a datepicker?
20:18 rangi libsysguy: with you so far
20:19 wizzyrea mmmm let me think about that
20:19 wizzyrea I don't think so
20:19 wizzyrea but keyword = think
20:19 rangi also
20:19 rangi[…]/Chillax/40200536
20:19 libsysguy rangi: so i guess that is all i had to say
20:19 libsysguy does that sound dooable without breaking everything
20:20 rangi yup it does
20:20 rangi but
20:20 libsysguy uh oh
20:20 rangi to be nicer, you could add it as a config option in the koha-conf.xml
20:20 rangi in the ldap section
20:20 libsysguy i can do that soo
20:20 Brooke oh crap, cat's gonna disown me!
20:21 libsysguy do you happen to know what ldap search returns
20:21 rangi nope
20:22 libsysguy dang
20:22 libsysguy i didn't see it in the doc
20:22 rangi id write a little script
20:22 rangi that does it, and uses Data::Dumper
20:22 rangi to dump the return
20:22 libsysguy not a bad idea
20:22 libsysguy thanks rangi
20:22 rangi np
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20:29 libsysguy if i wanted to warn or print STDERR from inside Auth_with_ldap would I have to have debugging on?
20:29 libsysguy if so how do I set that
20:29 libsysguy because I'm not seeing either in koha-dev/var/log/
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20:30 rangi try the main apache error log
20:31 rangi in /var/log/apache2
20:31 rangi sometimes it warns in there
20:31 libsysguy hmm its not in error.log
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20:54 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
20:54 cait hi magnuse
20:57 magnuse guten abend cait & #koha
20:57 rangi hi melia
20:58 rangi doh
20:58 rangi magnuse:
20:58 rangi tab completion fail
20:58 magnuse :-)
20:58 magnuse lazy rangi thinks one letter is enough... ;-)
20:58 rangi :)
20:59 cait hehe
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21:10 bencahill wizzyrea: ping
21:10 * wizzyrea looks around furtively
21:10 wizzyrea yes?
21:10 bencahill lol
21:11 bencahill wizzyrea: it's been running for 5:18, 2k items ??
21:11 wizzyrea on a slow server, our 700k took over 24 hours
21:11 wizzyrea so it really could take a very long time
21:12 bencahill wizzyrea: what's slow? this is a p4 2.4 with 256MB ram, an ide hdd
21:12 wizzyrea that's slow
21:12 bencahill 'k :-P
21:12 rangi a p4 ?
21:13 bencahill yup
21:13 wizzyrea 256MB of RAM
21:13 rangi dude 1999 called, it wants its hardware back
21:13 wizzyrea ^^
21:13 bencahill lol, I saw that coming
21:13 rangi :)
21:13 bencahill wizzyrea: we're replacing it with one that has 1GB of ram...this is just a small lib
21:13 wizzyrea 99 might be a little harsh
21:13 wizzyrea 2001 at least ;)
21:13 rangi :)
21:14 bencahill actually probably (realistically) probably more like 2004-5...p4 wasn't that long ago ;)
21:14 bencahill anywho, should I worry about these messages?
21:14 bencahill Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2796.
21:15 rangi you can ignore those, at least you know its still doing something :)
21:15 bencahill ok :)
21:19 bencahill just for curiosity, why does the process take so long?
21:19 rhcl w/ 256mb of ram it's probably swapping
21:19 rangi parsing xml is slow
21:20 wizzyrea ^^
21:20 rangi and that too
21:20 wizzyrea you have other stuff running on this box?
21:20 bencahill rhcl: htop only shows 140MB ram being used (-buffers/cache)
21:20 rangi what is the cpu usage?
21:20 bencahill wizzyrea: not right has a light X install so it can be used to manage koha as well, but not running right now
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21:21 bencahill rangi: htop is showing around 20-30%
21:21 pianohacker Hello
21:21 wahanui privet, pianohacker
21:21 rangi i suspect I/O bound then
21:21 bencahill rangi: most likely...I'm not physically next to it though, so I can't check (unless there's an app for that...iotop?)
21:21 hdl1 hi pianohacker
21:22 wizzyrea well yea, on p4 hardware and IDE disks
21:22 cait hi pianohacker :)
21:22 wizzyrea whaddup PH
21:23 pianohacker Hey liz
21:23 pianohacker and cait and hdl1
21:24 bencahill rangi: it appears there are on average 3-4 mysqld threads writing at 200KB/s telling about random access, so...
21:25 bencahill rangi: total disk write per sec varies from 800K to 4M
21:25 bencahill at least it's doing something :-P
21:25 wizzyrea ^^ take a nap
21:25 wizzyrea ;)
21:25 bencahill or just do something else ;)
21:26 bencahill and exit the screen session
21:26 * bencahill loves screen
21:26 rhcl bencahill: do you see the processes building up time in the ps table?
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21:26 magnuse g'night #koha
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21:28 cait g'night #koha
21:28 wizzyrea gnite cait and magnuse :)
21:28 cait :)
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21:29 bencahill rhcl: yes
21:29 bencahill rhcl: largest is 1hr, 25min
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21:39 nengard hey all, i am getting a report error and i don't know why - anyone have any pointers?
21:39 nengard select b.budget_name, sum(format(o.unitprice,2)) as "unitprice total", sum(o.rrp), sum(o.ecost), i.homebranch from aqorders o left join aqorders_items ai using (ordernumber) left join items i using (itemnumber) left join aqbudgets b using (budget_id) left join biblio bib on (bib.biblionumber=i.biblionumber)  group by b.budget_name, i.homebranch where  o.quantityreceived > 0
21:39 rangi does it run in mysql?
21:39 nengard no
21:39 nengard give me an error
21:40 nengard ERROR 1064 (42000):
21:40 rangi thats syntax error
21:40 nengard up
21:40 nengard yup
21:40 rangi 2 secs ill read it
21:40 rangi you cant do a where after a group by
21:40 wizzyrea where o.quantityreceived > '0'
21:41 wizzyrea and that
21:41 rangi put that before the group by
21:41 rangi and you dont need the ''
21:41 wizzyrea hrmph.
21:41 rangi if quantityreceived is an integer field
21:41 rangi :)
21:42 wizzyrea :P doesn't do it justice quite.
21:42 nengard when i did it the other way i got the same error
21:42 rangi well you can never have where after group by
21:42 rangi so that will never work ;)
21:42 nengard it was a space
21:42 nengard i think
21:42 rangi works for me in mysql
21:43 nengard you were right rangi, but the error was there when i tried it the other way before - cause of a space character - or a fluke
21:43 wizzyrea there was a fish in there?!
21:43 * wizzyrea teases
21:44 wizzyrea (she's gonna hit me, I just know it)
21:45 Agent_Dani heh
21:46 Agent_Dani Right, I've created enough mischief (Nagios disk monitoring, actually,) at work for one day; time for dinner with my wife then home!
21:47 nengard not gonna hit you
21:47 nengard too weak to fight ;)
21:49 nengard k - thanks all
21:49 nengard will be back after dinner
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22:01 bencahill wizzyrea: YAY! it appears to have finished :)
22:02 bencahill wizzyrea: should I run now?
22:05 bencahill I don't think I'm using zebra...can't remember, how do I check?
22:08 rangi you should use zebra
22:09 rangi nozebra isnt supported in 3.4.x
22:09 rangi it might work, but no guarantees
22:09 bencahill rangi: ah...what should I do to enable/set it up?
22:09 rangi you will need to make sure the systempreference is set
22:09 bencahill rangi: where is that?
22:09 wahanui that is the problem
22:10 rangi and then read the INSTALL file for your distro
22:10 rangi in searching probably
22:10 bencahill rangi: I mean, is it in a file, or I need to change it via the backend?
22:10 bencahill s/I need/do I need/
22:10 rangi no in the systempreferences
22:11 bencahill rangi: ok, I haven't tried accessing koha since upgrading, lemme try it
22:12 bencahill rangi: it brings me to an update db page, will that link do the same thing I already did all over again?
22:12 bencahill that is, remove_items_from_biblioitems
22:13 rangi no
22:13 bencahill ok, so do that?
22:13 rangi yes
22:13 bencahill rangi: is this the script it's running now?
22:13 rangi no
22:13 bencahill oh I see it now
22:13 bencahill two errors,
22:14 bencahill DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 3998.
22:14 bencahill ^^ twice
22:14 bencahill anything to worry about?
22:14 rangi nope that will be fine
22:14 bencahill okay, cool
22:15 bencahill great to see that it's still working :)
22:16 bencahill rangi: ok, so change NoZebra to 'Use'?
22:16 rangi yes
22:16 bencahill rangi: anything to do with NoZebraIndexes?
22:17 rangi no leave those as they are
22:17 bencahill ok
22:17 bencahill rangi: ok, there anything else I need to do manually, or it's all good to go?
22:17 rangi theres lots to do
22:17 bencahill hehe, ok :)
22:17 rangi take a look at teh INSTALL file for your distro
22:17 rangi on setting up zebra
22:18 bencahill rangi: I'm using arch...there's a build script for it, which did it all automatically...
22:18 rangi no the bit about setting it up with koha
22:19 bencahill I'll take a look at the deb install file
22:19 rangi setting up up the cron job, and the init.d script etc
22:19 rangi and etc
22:19 bencahill rangi: I mean that there's a package for koha in arch (it's just not in the repos, you have to download the PKGBUILD script)
22:20 rangi yes, but does it set up the cronjob to run rebuild_zebra?
22:20 bencahill rangi: no
22:23 bencahill rangi: just adapt the section "run the Zebra process as a daemon (automatic indexing)" to fit?
22:23 bencahill (in INSTALL.debian, that is)
22:23 rangi no set it up with the cronjob instead
22:23 rangi but the first thing you need to do
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22:24 rangi is make sure zebrasrv is running
22:24 rangi and that you have done a -r
22:25 bencahill ok, lemme make a daemon file for zebrasrv...
22:35 jenkins_koha Starting build 381 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:36 bencahill rangi: when I run zebrasrv, I get [fatal] Failed to read config `zebra.cfg'...
22:37 rangi how are you running it?
22:37 bencahill rangi: there are example config files (one for marcxml and one for marc21, and some more) in /usr/share/idzebra-2.0-examples
22:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <[…]742d9d1e847fd0ca5> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_4002' into kcmaster <[…]64a0ddef76c7e613e> / bug_4002: issues referential integrity <[…]c9592592c0bd6c529
22:37 bencahill rangi: just zebrasrv -D
22:37 rangi yeah thats not the way
22:37 bencahill rangi: there's no zebra.cfg in /usr/share/koha
22:37 rangi take a look at the script for doing it under debian
22:37 bencahill rangi: ok, sec
22:38 rangi misc/bin/
22:38 bencahill rangi: oh yeah, I shoulda looked at that :P
22:39 rangi :)
22:41 bencahill rangi: the script fails, because I don't have a 'daemon' exec :-/
22:41 rangi yeah, you'll have to use whatever tools arch uses, but that gives you the idea
22:41 bencahill rangi: gotcha
22:42 rangi the trick is, make sure what ever user runs zebrasrv
22:42 rangi is the same user that runs
22:42 rangi and if you look in misc
22:42 bencahill rangi: ah
22:42 rangi cronjobs
22:42 rangi there is a crontab.example
22:43 bencahill rangi: ok
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22:53 rangi libsysguy: you still about?
22:53 libsysguy i am indeed
22:54 libsysguy cursing LDAP
22:54 rangi heh
22:54 rangi so that error with hourly loans, only occurs in dropbox mode?
22:54 libsysguy yes it does
22:54 libsysguy at least that is the only place I've found it
22:54 rangi righto will see if i can do a fix for that
22:54 nengard libsysguy, you gonna sign off on partial payments?
22:54 bencahill rangi: is it fine for root to run zebrasrv, or should I have koha run it?
22:54 libsysguy yeah I was looking into doing a fix but I got tied up with this login business
22:54 nengard i was gonna test your sign off
22:55 libsysguy as soon as I get logins working I was going to patch it and test on master
22:55 libsysguy I figured it would be bad form to patch on an awaiting_qa branch
22:55 libsysguy :p
22:56 rangi no, thats fine, you can send a patch based on that branch
22:56 libsysguy oh really
22:56 rangi it just needs to be noted as such
22:56 libsysguy ohh gotcha...well I have a test server that is based on master that I just stood up today
22:56 libsysguy so if its better to do it that way I most certainly can
22:57 rangi if ($dropbox_branch) {
22:57 rangi my $calendar = Koha->new( branchcode => $dropbox_branch );
22:57 rangi you wont be able to
22:57 libsysguy nengard, sorry for the delay...I promise im not intentionally dragging my feet
22:57 rangi that line doesnt exist in master ;)
22:57 eythian bencahill: it's preferable to have koha run it
22:57 nengard libsysguy, surely wasn't thinking that
22:57 libsysguy ahh rangi
22:58 eythian I don't think it'll break, but it's better practice.
22:58 libsysguy so is there something I did wrong rangi...or was it actually a bug?
22:58 rangi its just missing ::Calendar
22:58 rangi 2 secs will fix and push
22:58 bencahill eythian: ok, so I can just add -u KOHAUID to zebrasrv?
22:58 libsysguy cool much appreciated
22:59 eythian bencahill: not sure, my scripts use the daemon command to launch it, that makes it overall more useful.
23:00 bencahill eythian: ok, thanks
23:00 eythian bencahill: see debian/scripts/koha-start-zebra for how it's done there.
23:00 eythian you can probably adapt that.
23:00 bencahill eythian: yes, that's what I've done...arch just doesn't use a daemon command like debian systems
23:01 eythian ah, odd. I would have thought it would.
23:01 bencahill eythian: arch is extremely simple in the less 'stuff', the better
23:01 bencahill :-)
23:02 bencahill rangi: so I've got zebrasrv as a nice daemon run now?
23:02 rangi yup with -r -b -a -v
23:02 eythian bencahill: I'm a big fan of having all the stuff that makes things easy ;)
23:03 rangi libsysguy: updated
23:03 libsysguy just saw that
23:03 libsysguy All the library staff left at 5 so I may test in the morning if that is ok
23:04 * libsysguy is afraid of the circulation desk
23:07 bencahill eythian: I'm a big fan of not being all confused ;)
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23:10 bencahill off to dinner...
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23:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #381: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/381/
23:19 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 6116: Adding a child patron
23:19 jenkins_koha * brice.sanchez: Bug 5713 :debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
23:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Adding child patron: library not set
23:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5713 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , Intranet - Circulation - Fines : debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
23:19 jenkins_koha Starting build 382 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:33 bg bug 6727
23:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6727 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, can't import frameworks
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23:58 libsysguy so I fixed our ldap issue but im not sure if I want to commit it because I'm pretty sure nobody has as messed up of an LDAP setup as we do :p
23:59 bencahill rangi: when I run that, it all looks good, but I see this at the end: [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109

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