IRC log for #koha, 2011-08-13

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08:06 jenkins_koha Starting build 375 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 5663: Show control number without organization code in staff URLs <[…]2fad90d2dbf5f64e4> / Bug 6550 - update values for OpacRenewalBranch preference <[…]038edb43c14f39ca4> / Bug 6553 : Follow up adding license statements <
08:13 cait hi #koha
08:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6713, editing matching rules broken <[…]a01236ddf76658a5a>
08:21 cait !jenkins botsnack breakfast
08:21 jenkins_koha cait: you're so kind to me! how did you know that breakfast is my favorite food?
08:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #375: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/375/
08:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6553 : Fixing authentication issue, there is no reason we should be able to use these without authentication
08:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6553 : Follow up adding license statements
08:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6553 enhancement, P5, ---, jcamins, NEW , Parentheses in corporate author break tracings
08:49 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6550 - update values for OpacRenewalBranch preference
08:50 jenkins_koha * 5663: Show control number without organization code in staff URLs
08:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6550 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , OpacRenewalBranch values sloppy
08:50 jenkins_koha Starting build 376 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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09:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #376: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/376/
09:33 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6713, editing matching rules broken
09:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , marc import not matching
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09:39 kmkale Namaskar #koha
09:43 cait hi kmkale
09:43 kmkale hi cait
09:43 kmkale my own sites index pages dont match :(
09:44 kmkale cant find the current version on local disk
09:44 kmkale :(
09:45 cait sorry?
09:46 kmkale :)
09:46 kmkale trying to make the link back prominent. Havent updated the website in ages
09:46 kmkale cant find the right index page file
09:47 kmkale anyway totally out of topic
09:47 rangi 2
09:49 cait hi rangi
09:49 cait 3?
09:50 kmkale namaste rangi
09:50 kmkale still playing the number game?
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14:04 druthb1 o/
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14:05 druthb1 hi, libsysguy!
14:06 libsysguy hey druthb1
14:06 libsysguy ITS MIGRATION DAY!!!
14:13 druthb1 wahoo!
14:13 libsysguy did you get that script i emailed you?
14:13 druthb1 One less SD library,one more Koha....the world will be a better place tomorrow, by just a taste, for your work today.  :)
14:14 druthb1 I did.  I'm tidying up a few things, and fancying up a few.  I'd like to submit it to community, if you don't mind.
14:14 libsysguy I was hoping you would.  I have been so busy I haven't had a chance to clean it up
14:14 libsysguy but if you area already doing it kudos :)
14:15 druthb1 you bet.  I need it rather urgently, for a couple of my big projects.
14:15 libsysguy understandable
14:16 libsysguy ugh...speaking of migrating patrons...that is my next big task :'(
14:16 libsysguy are you going to be around for a bit incase i get confused on your scripts?
14:17 druthb1 In and out.  my daughter and I are leaving shortly for a bus tour of the amish country.
14:17 libsysguy ohh ok...more Amish cookies?
14:17 druthb1 :)
14:17 libsysguy say hi to Lindsey for me :)
14:17 druthb1 will.  :)
14:21 libsysguy so for bill holds patrons etc
14:21 libsysguy what order do i run the scripts in?
14:21 libsysguy that is probably the most confusing part for me :'(
14:36 druthb1 bibs/items, patrons, issues, bills, holds.  That's the order I do it.
14:40 libsysguy cool...then i shall do it in that order :)
14:40 libsysguy just because I want to be as cool as druthb1
14:52 druthb1 bah
14:52 libsysguy what happened?
15:00 druthb1 you're already way cooler than druthb1.
15:00 jcamins_away Does anyone here know the protocol for telling the manager of a hotel that one particular employee is extraordinarily professional and pleasant, and ought to be promoted?
15:01 druthb1 Just go tell them.
15:01 druthb1 (I do that.)
15:01 druthb1 hi, jcamins_away! :)
15:01 libsysguy ^^
15:01 jcamins_away Okay, that's how I was going to do it, but I wasn't sure if there's a proper way to do it.
15:02 * druthb1 finishes up a looooong new blog post:[…]/08/thanks-jenny/
15:07 jcamins_away druthb++
15:09 druthb1 thanx, jcamins_away.  Jenny's op-ed is fantastic from end to end, and I *love* seeing a transwoman end up published there...and that got me stirred up
15:11 jcamins_away Maybe I should go into STM publishing.
15:11 druthb1 STM?
15:12 jcamins_away Science, Technology, and Medicine.
15:12 jcamins_away AKA, those fields where LaTeX is more likely to be used.
15:12 druthb1 Oh!.  I'd heard STEM (add Engineeering), but not the shorter form
15:13 jcamins_away Ah, I probably meant STEM.
15:13 jcamins_away :)
15:13 druthb1 :)
15:14 jcamins_away But seriously, LaTeX is so much nicer for publishing.
15:14 druthb1 :)
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17:08 libsysguy does anybody know how to set up fine/bill reasons?
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18:37 cait hi #koha
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20:16 libsysguy hey if i exported all of my ebooks and modified the marc
20:17 libsysguy how can i re-import them and change all the records
20:18 cait cou can match and overlay
20:18 cait but you need something to match on
20:18 libsysguy im assuming the isbn would work
20:19 libsysguy how do you do that with the shell
20:19 cait not sure
20:19 cait you can use the tool > stagd marc import
20:19 libsysguy because half our collection is ebooks so its too big for the web interface
20:19 cait I think it's possible - actually we do it
20:20 cait but I am not sure how, my coworker does it
20:20 libsysguy haha
20:20 cait :)
20:20 libsysguy hmm...i don't want to break it
20:20 cait our nightly imports use the matching rules and staged tools on command line
20:20 libsysguy hmm ok
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20:26 jcamins_away libsysguy: I would not rely on ISBN.
20:26 jcamins_away Create a matching rule on biblionumber.
20:27 jcamins_away libsysguy: you have a background in CS, don't you?
20:27 jcamins_away (as opposed to libraries)
20:29 jcamins_away Someone (I don't remember who) posited that people with CS backgrounds expect ISBNs to be unique and consistent. :)
20:40 libsysguy yes i do
20:40 libsysguy and yes i do expect that
20:40 libsysguy way to let me down
20:41 jcamins_away I guess the theory has some evidence to support it. :)
20:41 libsysguy exactly
20:41 libsysguy as a CS major i expect unique keys to be UNIQUE!!!
20:41 libsysguy instead i get pseudo-unique
20:41 jcamins_away Fortunately, it's easy to create a biblionumber matching rule.
20:42 libsysguy do i have to do it through staging?
20:42 jcamins_away You create the rule in the administration module.
20:42 jcamins_away Then you import the records using the stage and commit marc_biblios scripts.
20:43 libsysguy ok cool
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20:49 libsysguy hey do i set up that matching rule
20:49 libsysguy is it in mapping?
20:49 jcamins_away No. It's in Matching Rules.
20:50 jcamins_away Last option under "Cataloging"?
20:50 jcamins_away Or whatever the first section on the right is called.
20:50 libsysguy ohh i see it
20:50 libsysguy i don't get into this side of koha too often
20:51 jcamins_away Want to know how you can tell I see it too often?
20:51 jcamins_away I don't actually have access to Koha right now, and I know exactly where the link is.
20:51 libsysguy haha my thoughts exactly
20:51 libsysguy but i found it
20:52 jcamins_away Okay, now comes the tricky part.
20:52 libsysguy ok
20:52 jcamins_away You need the name of the biblionumber index.
20:52 libsysguy *serious face one*
20:52 jcamins_away For reasons I couldn't possibly speculate on, it's not "Biblionumber."
20:52 jcamins_away It's something like Record-identifier.
20:53 jcamins_away You'll need to locate that by looking in the file in etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs.
20:53 jcamins_away You want the index that's listed after 999$c
20:54 jcamins_away Okay, so that wasn't actually that tricky. It's hard for me to do, not having access to a Koha instance.
20:54 libsysguy melm 999$d      biblioitemnumber:n,biblioite​mnumber:w,biblioitemnumber:s
20:54 libsysguy or melm 999$c      Local-Number:n,Local-Number:w,Local-Number:s
20:54 jcamins_away Local-Number
20:54 libsysguy gotcha
20:55 libsysguy what should i set the match threshold to? 0?
20:55 jcamins_away So that's the index. The field is going to be 999 and the subfield is going to be c.
20:55 jcamins_away Match threshold should be 999.
20:55 jcamins_away The match value (forgotten the exact label) should be 1000.
20:55 jcamins_away Offset and length should be zero.
20:56 jcamins_away Did I miss any boxes?
20:56 jcamins_away Don't worry about checkpoints.
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20:57 libsysguy hmm so so for matching rule code
20:57 jcamins_away I generally use 999c and for description biblionumber.
20:57 jcamins_away But that's for you.
20:57 libsysguy right
20:57 libsysguy well im going with what you have
20:58 libsysguy normalization rule
20:58 libsysguy ?
20:58 jcamins_away Leave it blank.
20:58 libsysguy search index and score?
20:58 libsysguy was that 1000?
20:59 jcamins_away Search index is Local-Number.
20:59 jcamins_away score is 1000.
20:59 wahanui is 1000. has neutral karma
21:00 libsysguy ok i think that is it
21:00 libsysguy (please god
21:00 libsysguy )
21:00 libsysguy ok so now i go to the staging script?
21:01 jcamins_away Yep.
21:01 jcamins_away I don't remember the command line usage, but there's POD.
21:01 libsysguy yeah i can look at it
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21:04 libsysguy so after i have staged i run bulk marc import?
21:05 jcamins_away No, then you run the commit script.
21:05 libsysguy ahh ok
21:05 jcamins_away It's something like stage_marc_biblios and commit_marc_biblios.
21:05 jcamins_away It's in misc.
21:05 jcamins_away You'll find 'em.
21:05 libsysguy yeah i see them
21:05 libsysguy i just didn't know what i was looking for lol
21:09 libsysguy working  jcamins_away++
21:10 jcamins_away Yay! Glad to hear it.
21:21 jcamins_away Okay, time to go borrow Starbucks' wifi so that I can send e-mail.
21:21 libsysguy haha later jcamins_away
21:21 jcamins_away Good luck, libsysguy.
21:21 libsysguy gracias
21:44 jcamins_away Apparently Starbucks doesn't offer free wi-fi in Chicago.
21:44 libsysguy ouch
21:44 libsysguy complain to ATT
21:45 * jcamins_away tries a different way of skinning cats.
21:45 libsysguy tethering?
21:45 jcamins_away Oh, I've been tethered all along.
21:45 jcamins_away The problem is the tethering doesn't work with https.
21:45 libsysguy and you can't send email
21:45 libsysguy ohhh
21:45 libsysguy you are using the free one
21:46 jcamins_away Yup.
21:47 rangi its probably just doing it port based
21:47 rangi rather than actually blocking
21:47 rangi i have an ssh server that listens on port 80 for that reason
21:47 * jcamins_away skins the cat.
21:47 libsysguy Kitty!!! noo!!
21:48 jcamins_away Set up a mail client, don't enter the password for IMAP.
21:48 jcamins_away SMTP works fine.
21:49 libsysguy w00t for unsecured email
21:49 jcamins_away libsysguy: using TLS.
21:50 libsysguy oh
21:50 libsysguy well then you sir are excused
21:57 jcamins_away Woohoo! It worked!
21:58 jcamins_away rangi: I'd need to set up an actual proxy and not just port forwarding, if I wanted to use HTTPS. This was easier. :)
21:59 rangi :)
22:00 libsysguy hey jcamins_away the staging script said it only matched 5344 bibs but processed 251198
22:00 jcamins_away If I didn't need to attach things, of course, I would've just sent the message using telnet. :)
22:00 libsysguy something seems odd there
22:00 jcamins_away libsysguy: that's not good.
22:00 jcamins_away libsysguy: go into the management interface.
22:00 libsysguy there
22:01 jcamins_away The manage staged marc batches interface, I mean.
22:01 jcamins_away Take a look at that batch.
22:01 jcamins_away What matching rule does it say you're using.
22:01 jcamins_away s/\./?/
22:02 libsysguy ugh
22:02 libsysguy it said it applied the "Do not look for matching records rule
22:02 jcamins_away Okay, change it to your 999c rule.
22:02 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
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22:02 libsysguy yeah let me fix that and restage
22:03 jcamins_away libsysguy: you don't have to do anything on the command line.
22:03 libsysguy yeah i was just going to use the web interface
22:03 jcamins_away Okay.
22:03 jcamins_away Just checking you knew that. :)
22:03 * libsysguy is lazy
22:03 jcamins_away rangi: why does wahanui die every time I say change it to something?
22:05 jcamins_away "change it to something", that is.
22:05 jcamins_away wahanui: change it to something.
22:05 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
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22:15 libsysguy ugh the stage timed out
22:16 jcamins_away libsysguy: you should be able to just wait a bit, then go in and see that it's finished.
22:16 libsysguy well i ran a top
22:16 libsysguy and it looked like it was done
22:17 libsysguy so i licked back into it and the matching rule wasn't set correctly
22:17 libsysguy so i assumed it failed
22:17 jcamins_away Oh. Hm.
22:17 jcamins_away Wait.
22:17 jcamins_away rangi: is this what happened with the bug you just patched?
22:23 libsysguy jcamins_away: when i specified a match ID i just said 999c
22:23 libsysguy i assume that is correct
22:24 jcamins_away libsysguy: I think so. In the user interface, it should let you change it using th dropdowns.
22:24 libsysguy yeah it does
22:24 libsysguy it just locked up on me :'(
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22:25 druthb o/
22:25 libsysguy hey ruth
22:25 libsysguy did you bring me cookies
22:26 druthb hi!  how's the migration going?
22:26 * druthb offers cookies
22:26 libsysguy well...i've written about 500 lines of js and css today
22:26 libsysguy so im pooped
22:26 libsysguy and i can't get my exported records to import
22:26 * druthb was a good girl, and only ate *one* of the wonderful soft pretzels at Eli's roadside stand.
22:26 jcamins_away Hello.
22:26 * libsysguy accepts cookies
22:26 libsysguy mmm pretzels
22:27 libsysguy jcamins or druthb does this look right: ./ --file=./kohaebooks.mrc --match-bibs=999c
22:27 druthb I don't know the stage_biblios_file script, libsysguy, as I never use it.
22:28 libsysguy hmm
22:28 druthb (do it from inside Koha, maybe?)
22:28 jcamins_away Looks right as far as I can tell.
22:28 libsysguy the file is too big
22:28 libsysguy 400M
22:28 druthb !
22:28 libsysguy ebooks
22:28 libsysguy is like over half our collection
22:28 druthb yoiks.
22:28 libsysguy yeah i know
22:29 libsysguy im wondering if the 999c should be in quotes
22:29 libsysguy or if it matters
22:29 druthb should there be any matches in there to actually have to worry about?
22:29 libsysguy well we imported them initially
22:29 libsysguy then pulled them all out and modified the marc
22:29 druthb oh.  rats.
22:29 libsysguy now i want to put the updated ones back in
22:30 libsysguy I guess i could go delete all the ones in the db then just reimport with the normal script
22:33 * druthb tries to Do It Once.
22:36 * druthb steps away, to switch networks.
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22:38 druthb1 oh, goodie!  Two of me!
22:39 libsysguy only if you are using 0 based indexing
22:39 druthb1 lol
22:39 jcamins_away Well, you know what Knuth said about that, right?
22:39 druthb1 It's been thunderstormin' here...very cool and nice, now.
22:40 libsysguy @wunder 75799
22:40 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in South Central Tyler, TYLER, Texas is 32.4�C (5:39 PM CDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
22:40 jcamins_away Thunderstorming here, too. I'd just as soon not go out and get drenched.
22:40 libsysguy hmm its cooling off here lol
22:43 jcamins_away @wunder chicago, il
22:43 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois is 21.1�C (5:42 PM CDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Falling).
22:43 jcamins_away @wunder 11375
22:43 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 25.4�C (6:41 PM EDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).
22:43 druthb1 @wunder intercourse, PA
22:43 huginn druthb1: The current temperature in, New Holland, Pennsylvania is 21.2�C (6:42 PM EDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
22:44 * druthb1 is thinking when The Minion wakes, she will send her for some chow.
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22:44 libsysguy that makes me want Chinese for some reason...maybe the word chow
22:50 druthb ooo.   But I have eaten at one buffet today already, so I sha'n't, tempting as it is--there's a nice one just down the road in Lancaster.  not sure what I'll want.
22:51 * jcamins_away would like pizza.
22:52 libsysguy I have tons of pizza in the library fridge
22:53 jcamins_away libsysguy: good job thinking ahead!
22:54 libsysguy exactly...the librarians felt bad for me having to work all day
22:56 Agent_Dani Mmm, pizza.
22:56 * Agent_Dani had some reheated last night.
22:56 Agent_Dani It was divine since I was starving.
22:57 * jcamins_away considers the probability that his wife will be able to go to lunch tomorrow.
22:58 Agent_Dani Oh?
22:58 jcamins_away We're at a conference.
22:59 jcamins_away We were supposed to go today, but they scheduled 45 minutes for lunch... not really enough time to go to a famous pizza place.
23:00 jcamins_away (that is, there was a lunch organized by the graduate student subcommittee)
23:00 jcamins_away Since the only reason I didn't get lunch there on my own earlier was because Shari was going to the scheduled lunch, she said we'd go tomorrow.
23:03 jcamins_away So I'm considering the probability that she'll actually be able to go to a sit-down lunch tomorrow.
23:03 druthb oooo
23:04 Agent_Dani jcamins_away: Gotcha.
23:05 Agent_Dani And my sympathies. My wife and I schedule lunch or dinner together during the week because that's the only way we get to see each other - she works 4-midnight Sun-Thurs while I work 7-3 M-F.
23:05 jcamins_away Yikes!
23:05 jcamins_away That's awful!
23:06 Agent_Dani Yeah, not the best, that's for sure.
23:06 Agent_Dani I tried to get a later schedule; got a 9:30 start time approved but it proved to not be worth it in two ways.
23:07 rangi @wunder wellington nz
23:07 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
23:08 Agent_Dani a) not much of an overlap so it really didn't help. b) Even though I was working 50+ hour weeks my manager's perception was that I was working far fewer hours, under the 40 minimum, and I was getting negative job performance marks as a result.
23:08 druthb hi, rangi!
23:09 jcamins_away Ah. Yuck. I hope the opposite schedules are temporary.
23:09 jcamins_away Or at least have an eventual end in sight.
23:09 Agent_Dani jcamins_away: Thanks. We do as well. It's been a bit over a year now, and she doesn't want to change employers so that makes things a little more difficult.
23:09 rangi hi druthb :)
23:12 libsysguy man....when im staging im getting a lot of this: Use of uninitialized value $string in substr at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 731.
23:13 rangi yep harmless warns but we should quiet them
23:13 libsysguy so people like me don't panic lol
23:14 * druthb inserts a line into her scripts in odd places:     warn "This is just here to make libsysguy freak out.  Everyone else may relax."
23:14 libsysguy hehe
23:15 Agent_Dani hehe
23:20 jcamins_away Yikes!
23:20 jcamins_away Don't try to change the case of Russian text in LibreOffice.
23:21 * druthb can't imagine when she'd be typing Russian text...
23:24 libsysguy ok guys im done migrating for today...ill see ya later :)
23:24 libsysguy thanks for all the help :)
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23:24 Agent_Dani bye!

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