IRC log for #koha, 2011-08-08

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00:30 Judit good morning
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00:36 Judit i almost asked something very stupid, but just typing it in helped
00:36 Judit thank you
00:36 Judit i guess
00:36 Judit :)
00:36 * jcamins_away considers taking credit for that.
00:36 jcamins_away :D
00:36 Judit :D
01:54 rangi @quote random
01:54 huginn rangi: Quote #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the world .... oh good, that makes me feel better. it's just the govt" (added by jdavidb at 01:56 PM, September 09, 2009)
01:56 wizzyrea lolwut
01:57 rangi heh
01:57 rangi speaking of
01:57 rangi[…]employment-2011-8
01:58 wizzyrea gurg
01:58 rangi @quote random
01:58 huginn rangi: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010)
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03:04 BrookeenTauride kia ora!
03:04 rangi hi BrookeenTauride
03:04 BrookeenTauride :)
03:04 wizzyrea hey there
03:05 * BrookeenTauride feels hearted.
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04:33 Oak Hello BrookeenTauride :)
04:33 Oak Hello #koha
04:34 BrookeenTauride hey hey LD
04:35 Oak :]
04:37 BrookeenTauride how goes it?
04:37 Oak going fine it :) it's the month of Ramadan
04:39 BrookeenTauride Indeed!
04:39 Oak yup
04:39 * BrookeenTauride cooked for a friend for Ramadan once.
04:39 BrookeenTauride it was pathetic. He'd start circling at sunsetish, and was looking for McDonalds. That could not stand.
04:40 Oak ah, :) and you offered to cook. what did you make?
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05:37 cait hi 'koha
06:01 mtj heya cait
06:02 mtj interesting...
06:02 wahanui interesting is good
06:02 mtj[…]764b170b8;hb=HEAD
06:07 cait hi mtj :)
06:08 Oak cait
06:08 cait Oak
06:08 cait interesting link mtj
06:19 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
06:20 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:20 mtj my little 'stars' thingy is nearly ready for 3.6 submitting....
06:20 magnuse yay!
06:20 mtj[…]
06:20 mtj yo magnuse
06:21 magnuse hiya mtj
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06:22 magnuse o/
06:22 mtj 'How to Get Your Change Into the Linux Kernel
06:22 alex_a bonjour
06:22 wahanui hola, alex_a
06:22 mtj or
06:22 mtj Care And Operation Of Your Linus Torvalds'
06:22 magnuse :-)
06:22 mtj now thats funny :p
06:23 magnuse yeah!
06:23 cait hehe
06:23 cait morning magnus :)
06:23 cait bonjour alex_a
06:23 Oak bonjour alex_a :)
06:23 magnuse hiya cait, alex_a, Oak
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06:34 magnuse catalyst++
06:38 cait hm?
06:39 eythian We've been discussion putting translations into packages, I guess that's what he's referring to. And now magnuse has been given work to have a look at and test.
06:39 eythian *discussing.
06:39 magnuse spot on!
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06:39 cait catalyst++ then :)
06:40 magnuse difinitli!
06:40 eythian I have a Srdjan that I can delegate such work to, it's pretty handy :)
06:40 magnuse sounds nice!
06:40 magnuse srdjan++
06:40 eythian I dare you to ask him about using 'if' in Perl code one day.
06:41 magnuse hehe?
06:41 cait ?
06:41 eythian he's morally opposed to it.
06:41 eythian which makes his code an interesting read.
06:41 mtj 'Care And Operation Of Your Srdjan'
06:41 * magnuse chuckles
06:41 eythian heh
06:42 mtj eythian: hes an UNLESS kinda guy?
06:42 eythian I don't think so, that's more or less the same thing
06:42 eythian I think it's more that your program should be designed such that it doesn't require it.
06:42 magnuse yeah, that sounds like cheating...
06:43 mtj gosh, i am a little curious about the 'if' thing.....?!?!
06:43 cait lol
06:43 mtj what's his better alternative?
06:43 eythian well, for example, if you do dynamic programming kinda stuff, you end up minimising your use a lot. Subs are put into hashtables for lookup as needed and so forth. I find myself doing that a lot.
06:45 eythian[…]ds/waitaki_import <-- e.g. the whole dispatch thing in this code
06:45 eythian (although that's my code, and I don't follow the religion too closely)
06:48 cait ugh
06:48 cait ok, time to run to work
06:48 cait bye
06:48 eythian are you ugh'ing at my code :(
06:48 eythian cya :)
06:49 cait only wondering if I will get there one day ;)
06:49 eythian heh
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06:49 * magnuse wouldn't think that was what cait was doing...
06:50 magnuse eythian: do you think there is much work to do before the trnalsations can be generalized into a loop sort of thing?
06:50 eythian I have no idea, I'm in the last stages of a migration, and so haven't had time to look at it at all
06:50 magnuse ok, cool
06:51 magnuse i'll try and get the time to give the branch a spin later today and see what i find, and report back
06:51 eythian Srdjan wanted me to have a look, but I suggested he let you have a look, given I won't have time for a while.
06:51 eythian sure thing
06:51 magnuse i really need to put in some hours on something else first, but i might not be able to keep myself from it...
06:52 * eythian is preparing for a long night, this all has to be reading tomorrow morning (so, before I leave.)
06:52 eythian *ready
06:52 eythian seriously, my typing today is broken
06:52 eythian hehe
06:52 magnuse heh
06:52 magnuse good luck! you can do it!
06:53 eythian Of course I can, I don't have a choice ;)
06:54 magnuse that's the spirit! ;-)
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07:14 julian hello #koha
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07:15 clrh hi
07:15 wahanui hello, clrh
07:16 kf back
07:22 magnuse bonjour biblibre
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07:43 magnuse kia ora paul_p - i hope bug 6537 is ready for signoff now...
07:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6537 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Simplified sysprefs for the web installer
07:43 paul_p hi magnuse
07:43 paul_p yep, i've seen.
07:43 kf magnuse++
07:43 paul_p during the week end I had another idea about that :
07:45 paul_p why not put all (new) syspref in a syspref directory, to have a separate file for each. atm, each time a syspref is added, other patches also adding a syspref have a rebase that fails due to the change commited. With a separate file for each, this problem disappear, it's easier for developers to add a new patch !
07:46 kf but harder to get a complete list or reload the database
07:46 kf perhaps slower too?
07:47 magnuse the files would be sql?
07:47 magnuse if so any deterioration in speed would only affect the installer
07:48 kf true
07:49 magnuse well it sounds good to me - anything that makes development easier...
07:51 kf I am not sure the hassle of having a lot of files is worth the gain
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07:52 magnuse hm, why would it be a hassle?
07:52 kf lots and lots of files
07:52 paul_p kf, about the "slowness" that's really a little
07:52 kf all having the licence stuff ahead and a little bit of text somewhere
07:52 magnuse about 300 at the moment, if there was one per syspref
07:53 paul_p We could also have a large syspref.sql done by the RM just before each release.
07:53 kf if you are searching for something in that directory it coudl get hard
07:54 paul_p foreach (sysprefs/*.sql) { mysql koha <sql-file) } would work for any size = 1 syspref per file or 300 !
07:54 paul_p (we could also have a file per module (opac.sql / cataloguing.sql / ...) or whatever look handy
07:56 paul_p but well, magnuse what you've made is already a good improvement i'll try to test today
07:56 kf I agree that there is no good argument against
07:56 magnuse paul_p: great!
07:56 kf just feels wrong somehow to me
07:56 kf have to think about it
08:02 mtj paul_p++
08:02 paul_p mtj, ???
08:02 mtj i was thinking something similar, this weekend too
08:02 magnuse great minds think alike, eh?
08:02 mtj 'why not put all (new) syspref in a syspref directory'
08:03 kf hehe - I give up :)
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08:03 mtj well, i was thinking about separate files
08:03 mtj but the problem (and solution) is the same
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08:13 rangi not so much
08:13 rangi its harder with
08:14 rangi because often order does matter
08:14 * magnuse was just thinking that
08:34 paul_p rangi++ => we can't use this for updatedatabase because order matters.
08:34 paul_p rangi, have you seen my comment/question on #5786 ?
08:34 paul_p (hello rangi)
08:34 rangi yep, havent had any time to do anything about it
08:35 paul_p you wanted to do what ?
08:36 rangi read it and answer
08:36 paul_p mtj, iirc, we spoke a something like a matrix to keep track of what has been done in updatedatabase, but that would mean huge changes in how we deal with updates, and until now, no-one started to do anything about that. Maybe for 4.0, but that will require a lot of coordination/preparation
08:36 paul_p rangi, OK
08:37 paul_p rangi, just FYI= at the end of the week, it's holiday (2 weeks AFK) for me
08:38 paul_p ( just for those curious, I go here : http://www.saint-avit-loisirs.[…]98490326a9a68b55/ )
08:38 * magnuse feels sorry for paul_p ;-)
08:38 magnuse nah, not really
08:38 * paul_p feel unlucky too :D
08:47 kf vacation - again?
08:47 kf ;)
08:47 kf and evening rangi :)
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09:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6679] Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679>
09:12 rangi hi kf
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09:48 magnuse anyone know how to get a "request to pull" from github to the koha-patches list? i'm pretty sure i have done it before...
09:48 rangi yes
09:48 rangi you can either just send a mail with the subject line request to pull
09:48 rangi or you can use git to do it
09:48 rangi 2 secs
09:49 magnuse ah, i didn't think about doing it from git, just from github...
09:50 rangi[…]stories/#comments
09:50 rangi instead of my git repo, you would use github of course ;)
09:50 magnuse ah way cool!
09:51 rangi try it piped to a file first, make sure it looks ok, then do it piped to mailx :)
09:51 magnuse definitely ;-)
09:52 magnuse hm, how do i tell which branch to use? replace origin/master?
09:54 rangi thats the one you want to pull it into
09:54 rangi second one is pulling it from
09:55 magnuse[…]request-pull.html
09:55 magnuse git request-pull [-p] <start> <url> [<end>]
09:55 rangi yep
09:55 magnuse where <start> = Commit to start at.
09:56 rangi so thats origin/master (or kc/master or whatever you called the master branch of koha-community)
09:56 magnuse ah, the branch i'm on is significant, of course
09:56 rangi then the url is of the repo to pull from
09:56 rangi yeah
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09:56 * magnuse is a little slow today, much like the cloning from the catalyst git repo ;-)
09:57 magnuse should the url be for the repo or the branch?
09:57 rangi cant remember, try it and see :)
09:57 magnuse will do ;-)
10:03 magnuse that looks about right, i think:
10:03 rangi looks good to me
10:04 magnuse and that's good enough for me! ;-)
10:04 rangi cept i pushed 6534 since then, but thats ok, it'll still merge fine
10:05 magnuse hm, bug 6534?
10:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6534 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Duplicate opac renew buttons at the top of the checkouts list
10:06 rangi yup, pushed to master this morning, you might wanna do a git pull (or fetch/rebase)
10:07 rangi that request is fine though, it will still merge
10:07 magnuse hm, i don't see a conflict...
10:07 rangi theres no conflict
10:07 rangi just your request has the head at the 5660 push
10:08 magnuse ah, ok, sorry
10:08 rangi but that was just an observation, more than anything useful
10:08 magnuse heh
10:09 eythian magnuse: well, you're going to be pulling down all of Koha's history again.
10:10 eythian from about as far away in the world as it's possible to get.
10:10 magnuse eythian: yeah, i know... ;-)
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10:20 rangi i hope someone tests those commits and signs off soon :)
10:21 kf :)
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11:48 kf yum
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11:52 druthb o/
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11:58 kf hi oleonard
11:58 kf :)
11:58 oleonard Hi
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12:02 kf NateC?
12:02 wahanui I LIKE SPACE!
12:02 NateC HA! Morning kf
12:02 druthb kf?
12:02 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet.
12:02 druthb cait?
12:02 wahanui somebody said cait was kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me
12:02 druthb lol
12:03 * druthb fears....but...
12:03 druthb druthb?
12:03 wahanui you are currently convincing the amish that they need to web 2.0 or quite brilliant
12:03 druthb lol
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12:04 kf hi NateC :)
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12:23 paul_p ni NateC & druthb & wahanui
12:23 paul_p (I mean hi, of course)
12:23 paul_p hi wahanui
12:23 wahanui what's up, paul_p
12:23 paul_p wahanui, I just want to se your brilliant thoughts
12:23 wahanui paul_p: i'm not following you...
12:23 NateC Hi paul_p!
12:23 paul_p wahanui, nevermind, you're too brilliant...
12:23 wahanui paul_p: excuse me?
12:24 kf lol
12:24 kf paul_p botsnack cookie
12:24 kf ;)
12:25 druthb hi, paul_p!
12:26 kf wahanui botsnack cookie
12:26 wahanui :)
12:27 druthb wahanui: botsnack fresh blackberries
12:27 wahanui thanks druthb :)
12:55 kf fresh blackberries?
12:57 oleonard[…]d=ivnsue&tbm=isch
12:58 kf mean!
12:58 druthb We got some at the farm stand Saturday...yummy
12:58 oleonard Mean?
12:58 druthb kfsnack fresh blackberries
12:58 kf yeah... now I crave blackberries
12:58 kf yum
12:59 kf oleonard: but thx :)
12:59 kf cool
12:59 kf there is a recipe link in google
12:59 kf and you can drill down by cook time and ingredients!
13:00 kf and calories...
13:00 magnuse yeah, that is quite a nice feature!
13:00 magnuse facets...
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14:05 gbengaadara Hello, this is Olugbenga Adara
14:07 magnuse hiya gbengaadara
14:09 gbengaadara Fine
14:13 gbengaadara Hanging out today on IRC
14:13 kf welcome
14:14 magnuse @wunder boo
14:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0�C (3:50 PM CEST on August 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
14:15 druthb @wunder intercourse, PA
14:15 huginn druthb: The current temperature in, New Holland, Pennsylvania is 28.6�C (10:15 AM EDT on August 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa (Steady).
14:15 druthb it doesn't *feel* 28.  Gorgeous day here.
14:16 magnuse 28C sounds really hot...
14:17 druthb to you, it would, I s'pose, magnus.  But I'm outside now, and it's very comfortable.
14:17 jcamins_away Good morning, #koha
14:18 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
14:19 druthb hi, jcamins.
14:19 druthb magnuse: we're expecting a high of 31C here today.
14:19 magnuse ouch...
14:20 druthb pssh.  that's nothing.    Dallas has had thirty-some days over over 37C weather---in a row!
14:20 magnuse 2xouch!
14:20 * oleonard does a double-take on druthb's @wunder location
14:21 druthb hee hee hee
14:21 druthb we're actually in Bird-In-Hand, but there's no weather station there.
14:21 rhcl how many days worth of database backups is recommended to keep?
14:21 jcamins rhcl: at least a couple.
14:22 rhcl two days? I was thinking two weeks.
14:22 druthb I usually set things up for a week.
14:22 oleonard paul_p: I CC'ed you on Bug 6674 because I was hoping to get your comments
14:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6674 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Collapse display of patron address by default
14:23 paul_p oleonard, yep, just seen the mail. will answer soon
14:23 oleonard Thanks
14:23 jcamins rhcl: me, I keep about two weeks. But if you're asking, I assume you're desperate for space. No matter how desperate I was, I would never keep less than several days worth of backups.
14:24 rhcl No, we got lots of space.
14:24 jcamins Actually, I try to keep one week of dailies, eight weeks of weeklies, and a year of monthlies.
14:24 paul_p druthb, 3x days over 37°C ? wow !!! unbelievable... just to let you know: we probably have the coldest summer we've ever seen since years in Marseille. We switched on conditionned-air only 5 or 6 days until now...
14:25 jcamins paul_p: lucky. We haven't switched off the a/c since June.
14:25 paul_p crazy planet (and crazy human probably...)
14:26 druthb much of the US has been WAY hotter than usual.  While I was in Philadelphia, they had several record-hot days
14:26 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6674] Collapse display of patron address by default <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6674>
14:27 druthb jcamins:  oughta get away from all that pavement and concrete....I had to shut off my box fan in the middle of the night here last *cold*
14:28 jcamins druthb: I'd love to!
14:28 oleonard "All 50 states saw record high temperatures in July"
14:28 magnuse is now known as magnus_afk
14:28 oleonard[…]ly-173203227.html
14:29 jcamins Today I'm working at a client on Riverside Drive, which means I have to cross West End Avenue to get here from the subway. Naturally I have West End Avenue from Stephen Schwartz's Magic Show (I think that's the name of the show) stuck in my head.
14:32 jcamins (for those of you who don't know, West End Avenue is not a song that makes you think "gee, New York, what a great place to live!")
14:33 rhcl Kinda like Chicago and "The Night Chicago Died"  ????
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14:34 jcamins I haven't heard that song, but based on the title, probably.
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14:39 rhcl
14:39 oleonard The questions on the list have got me thinking about the ShowReviewerPhoto preference. Is that working for anyone else?
14:39 * oleonard doesn't see is own avatar in his test system
14:40 rhcl[…]ight_Chicago_Died
14:40 oleonard Oh wait, missing dependency.
14:41 jcamins eythian++ # the packages rock!
14:42 jcamins larsw++ # he did the original work on making Debian packages
14:44 oleonard What are UNIVERSAL::require  and Net::Server used for?
14:44 * oleonard doesn't have those either
14:46 * magnus_afk agrees with jcamins, wholeheartedly!
14:46 magnus_afk srdjan++ # the packages rock!
14:50 jcamins Does anyone know of a way to force the 001 field to contain the biblionumber?
14:50 jcamins (short of remapping the biblionumber)
14:52 magnus_afk jcamins: not sure if comments on bug 6198 are relevant?
14:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6198 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Use 001 (not biblionumber) as record identifier for OAI-PMH
14:53 kf jcamins: I think for marc21 it's not possible, but might be wrong
14:53 kf not sure how unimarc handles it
14:53 jcamins Darn.
14:54 gmcharlt good morning
14:54 gmcharlt jcamins: question about transliterated russian - does a ligature ever span more than two characters?
14:54 jcamins If I have a chance, maybe I'll write a cataloging plugin that will do that.
14:54 jcamins gmcharlt: Good morning.
14:54 jcamins Yes it does.
14:55 kf jcamins: that sounds like something useful :) i
14:55 gmcharlt jcamins:[…]lay.html?id=38912 is why I ask
14:55 jcamins gmcharlt: wait, that's Old Church Slavonic.
14:55 jcamins So, not in Russian.
14:55 gmcharlt jcamins: would you happen to have any MARC records that have Old Church Slavonic vernacular?
14:56 jcamins No, I've never encountered a record in OCS.
14:56 jcamins I'm not even sure there are.
14:56 gmcharlt thanks
14:57 * jcamins consults the transliteration tables.
14:57 jcamins Ooh! Good news! They don't even use that iie ligature thing in the current tables!
14:58 jcamins So, there are never more than two characters under a ligature.
14:58 gmcharlt yay!
15:01 jcamins Ooh, so are you going to be fixing MARC::Charset to work with the double ligature, rather than the half ligatures?
15:02 gmcharlt jcamins: yep - the fix is already in MARC::Charset's Git, and I'll be cutting 1.34 once I fix the other pending bug
15:04 jcamins Woohoo!
15:04 jcamins gmcharlt++
15:04 jcamins That's been bugging me for ages, but I didn't realize you were the person to report it to.
15:04 jcamins Has anyone else been getting a lot of lag from OFTC in the last few days?
15:05 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, it wasn't until a couple weeks ago that I took up edsu' mantle for that module
15:06 kf jcamins: no lag for me
15:07 jcamins kf: hm. I should move to Europe. :D
15:18 rhcl sometimes I get the impression jcamins must have impressive literary post-nominals.
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15:19 jcamins rhcl: not yet. ;) Why do you get that impression, though?
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15:20 rhcl Old Church Slavonic? Old Church Slavonic? Who ever heard of such a thing? And I could go back through your posts and pull out equally esoteric things relating to language, literature and history.
15:20 * jcamins would love to be FRS, FSA. :)
15:22 rhcl And I do consider myself fairly well exposed, albeit a dated exposure, to arcane tidbits of literature and history.
15:22 jcamins What can I say? I'm like a magnet for useless knowledge.
15:23 kf moving_to_europe++ ;)
15:23 kf extra cookies for moving to germany
15:24 kf FRS, FSA?
15:24 jcamins Fellow of the Royal Society, Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries.
15:25 kf what is required to be one?
15:25 jcamins I don't know.
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15:31 rhcl I really need to think of some way to slip "Old Church Slavonic" into my conversation occasionally so people will think I'm like, really smart.
15:31 rhcl   First two paragraphs are all I'd need to know.
15:34 jcamins rhcl: if you really want to impress people, talk about Old Occitan.
15:35 rhcl Ohhh, that sounds good too....
15:36 jcamins rhcl: it requires more explanation though.
15:37 rhcl 'cept I can't pronounce that one.
15:37 rhcl I'll bet some of wizzyrea's librarys are w/o power?  One of my branches is dead in the water, I better run up there and see what I can do.
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15:37 jcamins Yikes.
15:37 jcamins Heat?
15:38 rhcl There was a pretty violent storm south of KC yesterday apparently. But that doesn't explain the power being out way up in Savannah Missouri, where my branch is.
15:39 rhcl The past few days haven't been _all_that_ hot.
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15:41 jcamins nengard: RIS could be labeled something like EndNote, but BibTeX is really just BibTeX.
15:41 jcamins That's the format you use when you use BibTeX. ;)
15:41 nengard got it
15:41 nengard repeating a complaint from a librarian :) hehe
15:41 nengard i also didn't know what bibtex was though
15:42 jcamins It's the bibliography software that works with LaTeX. Called BibTeX.
15:42 jcamins :)
15:43 jcamins Heavily used in math-based fields, not so much anywhere else.
15:44 nengard got it!
15:44 nengard that's why i don't know it - nicole does not know math :) hehe
15:46 oleonard Math is hard!
15:46 oleonard ;)
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15:47 jcamins BibTeX is pretty nifty.
15:49 kf bye all
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15:50 jcamins nengard: there are some graphical user interfaces to BibTeX, if you want to get an idea of what it does. There's even one written in Java.
15:51 jcamins I don't know what it's called.
15:53 jcamins nengard: JabRef. There's also BibDesk. And I think Refbase may actually use BibTeX internally.
16:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6681] When importing a biblio record via Z39.50, authority links also get imported <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6681>
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16:25 jcamins Does anyone other than me still alphabetize o with an umlaut in with the 'oe's?
16:26 wizzyrea i can't say I've ever alphabetized anything with an umlaut
16:26 * jcamins should ask cait.
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16:40 jcamins Welcome back, cait.
16:40 cait thx jared and hi all
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16:41 jcamins cait: how do you alphabetize o-with-an-umlaut.
16:41 cait hm
16:41 jcamins s/\./?/
16:41 cait let me think about that
16:42 cait you mean sorting for alphabetic order?
16:42 jcamins I've always alphabetized it with oe.
16:42 jcamins Yup.
16:42 matts_away is now known as matts
16:43 nengard is there a way to do a count of another select? basically I want to write a report that tells me how many items each title has - so it shows title and then a count of items
16:43 cait I think I have seen this done differently
16:43 cait especially for card catalogs
16:43 cait let me try to find a source
16:43 jcamins nengard: why can't you do a group by biblionumber, then count(itemnumber)?
16:43 nengard i can :) needed some brain power assistance apparently
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16:44 cait[…]tische_Sortierung
16:44 cait it says there are 4 different ways to do it :P
16:45 wizzyrea do any of you know -- are "item returned" check in messages kept in the message queue?
16:45 wizzyrea or reflected in the messaging/notices tabs?
16:45 wizzyrea I don't see that they are
16:45 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4893] Add an input field for Check In on main Staff Client page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4893>
16:45 wizzyrea but then again I don' t know what an identifier for that type of message would be as I've never seen one
16:45 cait jcamins: i think you should google translate that part of wikipedia
16:46 jcamins cait: thanks.
16:46 jcamins I can figure out what it says.
16:46 cait jcamins: and decide what seems logical to you, I can also try to dig up the sort orders for cataloging
16:46 cait I think there was a difference between sorting for pi (old rules, preussische instruktionen) and rak
16:46 cait I can at least try to find out for rak
16:46 jcamins I'm probably going to use DIN 5007 Variant 2, because that seems the most logical, especially with old books.
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16:50 cait ok
16:50 cait my rak textbook doesn't help me much
16:50 cait can't find something in the index and I am not familiar enough with it to guess where it might write about the sorting
16:51 jcamins That's okay. Thanks for your help. :)
16:52 cait you are welcome
16:53 paul_p nengard, you're really quick reading mails ;-)
16:53 nengard HA!
16:53 nengard I was in there at the right time :)
16:53 cait paul: I think chris sent a mail about the feature when we moved bugzilla
16:54 oleonard nengard and cait: Re: Bug 6260, why shouldn't we say "No copies available" when there are items with unavailable statuses?
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6260 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Missing space in availability information of OPAC XSLT results
16:54 cait I think you can probably use git bz to open bugs too
16:54 cait oleonard: let me read the bug
16:54 cait :)
16:55 nengard oleonard, i'm actually okay with it saying no items and on hold at the same time
16:55 nengard it jsut seemed a bit confusing
16:55 paul_p cait, I remember something about that but can't find it
16:55 paul_p was it a mail or wiki or IRC ?
16:55 paul_p (too many sources...)
16:55 cait mail
16:55 cait I think
16:56 cait
16:56 cait or wiki... google++ :)
16:56 cait no I get xp, right? :P
16:57 paul_p cait, I don't think so cait: this is what is written on bugzilla doc page. What i'm looking for is the script
16:57 paul_p (I could write one by myself though, but if it's already done...)
16:58 jcamins paul_p: that's the instructions for sending e-mail to the Koha Bugzilla instance.
16:58 jcamins What does do, exactly?
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16:59 paul_p mmm... you may be right jcamins... seems i made a mistake. email_in is the server part of dealing with emails...
16:59 paul_p not the "reporter" part...
17:00 paul_p OK, forget my question, it was stupid ;-)
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17:01 cait so I get the xp? ;)
17:02 * jcamins thinks so.
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17:03 jcamins Hm. I think Equinox had a transitory network glitch.
17:05 paul_p cait, OK, take the XP ;-)
17:05 * paul_p leaves, time to go back home
17:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6260] Missing space in availability information of OPAC XSLT results <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6260>
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17:11 wizzyrea gmcharlt, quick q
17:11 wizzyrea where are the patron messaging preferences kept?
17:11 cait oh
17:11 cait in 3 tables
17:12 cait it's a bit insane
17:12 wizzyrea lawd, ok
17:12 jcamins A bit?
17:12 jcamins Very, I'd say.
17:12 cait ok, kind of
17:12 wizzyrea where is the data that is reflected by the tickboxes on the edit patron screen kept
17:12 cait you now it is relational
17:12 cait but sometimes relational to the last normalization form is not what is easy
17:12 cait wizzyrea: give me a sec
17:13 wizzyrea oh dear
17:13 wizzyrea i just stepped in it didn't i
17:13 cait what do you wnat to do? if I may ask?
17:13 jcamins Yes, I get that it's relational, but it's been normalized strangely and the way to modify the mappings is to *delete* the previous ones, and create new ones.
17:13 cait I have some sql on my wiki...
17:13 wizzyrea I want to see the flags
17:13 cait jcamins: that's the thing that really bugs me too
17:13 cait assigning new numbers all the time
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17:13 cait the pk goes up very high very quickly
17:13 wizzyrea to know how many patrons have the 'item check in' notice picked
17:13 cait ok
17:13 wizzyrea as an option
17:14 jcamins I'm going to have lunch now. BRB
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17:14 wizzyrea good call :P
17:14 wizzyrea lunch. I like it
17:14 wizzyrea but i'll wait for a few :0
17:14 wizzyrea :)
17:14 cait first you get the mesage attribute id from the table message_transports
17:14 wizzyrea k, so 6 in this case
17:15 wizzyrea 5, actually
17:15 * wizzyrea can't read
17:15 cait and then you check borrower_message_preferences
17:15 wizzyrea AHA
17:15 cait hm
17:16 cait might be that you need to check the borrowernumber is in borrower_message_transport_preferences too
17:16 wizzyrea it is
17:16 cait because I am not sure what happens when someon says don't knotify
17:16 wizzyrea whoooooa
17:16 wizzyrea yea that is more than a little insane
17:16 wizzyrea ooo kay
17:16 * cait is not guilty of that
17:16 wizzyrea cait, you're a lifesaver
17:16 wizzyrea cait++
17:16 cait I have been there...
17:17 wizzyrea you get exp for that :)
17:17 cait the first 2 times I updated 200 patrons manually because I forgot to set the message preferences on the categories...
17:17 cait before importing the datea
17:17 wizzyrea argle bargle
17:17 cait after that I learned to read the tables
17:17 wizzyrea um yea
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17:19 cait yay xp
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17:32 cait oleonard: about bug 6260: not sure about that now
17:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6260 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Missing space in availability information of OPAC XSLT results
17:32 cait and wonder why I never wrote the patch to fix the missing space!
17:40 nengard well it's fixed now :)
17:40 nengard and signed off
17:40 wahanui signed off is approval
17:40 nengard well yes it is :)
17:40 cait :)
17:41 druthb wahanui: botsnack small annoying child, wrapped in duct tape
17:41 wahanui thanks druthb :)
17:41 * druthb laughs evilly
17:41 wizzyrea oh no, more annoying children?
17:42 druthb naaah...just reminiscing.
17:42 * nengard told druthb that this is one of the reasons i love my single home with big thinck walls all around
17:42 nengard my old house was a twin with thin walls and monsters living on the other side of the wall
17:43 cait lol
17:45 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
17:45 jcamins Ah, thin walls and monsters.
17:45 jcamins The story of life in New York for the non-fabulously wealthy.
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17:48 wizzyrea monsters?
17:49 jcamins On the other side of thin walls, yes.
17:49 jcamins Or thin ceilings.
17:51 wizzyrea shouty people
17:51 jcamins I don't know... I'm going to have to go with "monsters." People can't generally manage the sort of volume one encounters. ;)
17:52 wizzyrea wow that's something
17:52 jcamins Actually, it's been a lot better recently, knock on wood.
17:53 nengard wizzyrea in my instance the monsters were children
17:53 nengard children with parents who didn't know how to raise children
17:53 wizzyrea ah yea
17:54 wizzyrea parent fail
17:54 wizzyrea though sometimes you just can't keep em quiet
17:56 jcamins Though kids would be also irritate me to know end, I think I've come to the conclusion that screaming adults are worse.
17:56 jcamins Especially since screaming adults are _always_ violent.
17:56 wizzyrea well there's certainly a lot less joyful screeching from adults.
17:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6682] open library is two words <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6682>
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19:03 gadara hi
19:03 wahanui salut, gadara
19:04 cait hi gadara
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19:40 * jcamins makes a note to replace Koha's MARC editor with a textbox.
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19:43 * jcamins once again hit the impossible-to-replicate "click and the editor spontaneously wigs out and erases all your changes" bug.
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19:50 rangi pianohacker did that already
19:50 rangi (the text box)
19:50 jcamins rangi: yeah, I know.
19:50 cait morning rangi
19:50 jcamins But the patch requires rebasing.
19:51 * cait shares cookies with koha
19:51 rangi morning
19:51 cait I have solved the karnaugh-veitch-diagram riddle
19:52 rangi Hehe good
19:53 cait yep :)
19:54 rangi new public library system goes live today
19:55 cait very cool :)
19:55 cait good luck!
19:55 * cait is forced to install adobe reader in ubuntu
19:55 cait because the elearning modul uses pdf forms :(
19:58 rangi thats now 5 systems, and a total of 19 libraries .. with another system and 3 libs on the way
19:58 rangi the publics are finally catching up to the other libraries in nz
19:58 rangi really?
19:58 rangi what is it? blackboard?
19:59 cait no, they have their own system
19:59 rangi ahh
19:59 cait but this is something from the tutur
19:59 cait tutor - so not the platforms fault
19:59 rangi right
20:00 cait very good numbers :)
20:00 cait do you have academic libraries too? or mostly public?
20:01 rangi mostly special/corporate/govt
20:02 rangi there are only 6 universities in nz
20:02 rangi but 3 of them are in a consortia
20:02 rangi and use voyager and are looking to move, they have 2 years left on contract
20:03 rangi but came to the users group
20:03 rangi so thats promising
20:04 cait cool :)
20:05 rangi doing some training for ppl in Fiji and papua new guinea too, its spreading in the pacific
20:06 cait :)
20:10 rangi bg?
20:11 cait rangi?
20:12 bg @wunder 93109
20:12 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.7�C (1:11 PM PDT on August 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).
20:13 rangi bg: Melia start today?
20:14 bg yup - but she doesn't have inet yet
20:14 rangi ahh
20:14 rangi eek my stop bbiab
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20:22 rangi back
20:30 oleonard Gone
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20:31 rangi interesting
20:31 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes bad
20:31 rangi[…]als_for_KohaCon12
20:31 wizzyrea interesting is also sometimes good
20:31 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
20:31 wizzyrea interesting
20:31 wahanui i guess interesting is good
20:32 rangi bywater partners, so use Koha
20:33 * bg wonders if I'm up for planning one here…  But I think I'll wait a few years
20:34 * bg actually votes to have it on a cruise-ship in international waters
20:34 rangi heh
20:34 rangi i need a norwegian
20:35 rangi ah google works
20:35 rangi[…]2&id=110331970241
20:36 rhcl come on bg, wizzy and I will help you out.
20:38 rangi heh
20:38 rhcl I'll demmo my Cherry Bomb Server for small libraries.[…]m=N82E16811112267
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20:39 cait ok - time to sleep - good night all
20:39 wizzyrea gnite cait
20:39 rhcl night night
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20:40 rhcl The second review w/ numbered points is mine, IUGAH.
20:42 rangi reno is like vegas junior right?
20:42 rhcl huh, kinda sorta. why? I was in reno about a year ago
20:43 rangi[…]als_for_KohaCon12
20:43 rhcl much more pedestrian--the gambling isn't nearly as "in-your-face" as Vegas, much smaller city,
20:44 rangi right
20:45 rhcl seems a lot of the flights originating from the Eastern US have to fly to California then back to Reno, but that's subject to the whims of the airplanes I guess.
20:46 mtj is this page down?
20:46 rangi i think UK wins out of those 2
20:46 rangi what page?
20:46 wahanui hmmm... page is too big?
20:47 mtj
20:47 rangi nope
20:47 wizzyrea nope
20:47 rhcl works for me
20:47 wizzyrea me too
20:49 rhcl I think San Antonio, TX, would be a great place for a KohaCon - down on the RiverWalk.
20:50 rhcl And they have the semi-famous Brick Red Library, though I don't think they have Koha.
20:50 rangi weve done TX already, might be a while before we can do that again
20:50 rhcl Oh, really?
20:50 rangi yeah 2009 was plano
20:51 mtj cool, site is fine now
20:52 rhcl OK, then we need to have it at Chena Hot Springs in Alaska.    I've been there too. Pretty wild, to sit in an enclosed naturally flowing hot spring and watch it snow outside.
20:55 rhcl[…]ot%20Springs.aspx    <-- better site
20:57 * jcamins suggests somewhere easy to get to would be a good choice.
21:04 rangi yeah, that always helps
21:18 rangi so far so good
21:18 rangi the first hour of go live is always the worst
21:18 gmcharlt but Alaska is beautiful!  so beautiful that it's worth any trouble to get to it!
21:18 * gmcharlt is fishing for any excuse to go back
21:18 rangi heh
21:20 Agent_Dani heh
21:20 rangi id go
21:20 rangi surely i can land in russia and just jump over
21:22 rhcl Well, Florida is a great destination too.  Miami? St. Petersburg?
21:22 rhcl New Orleans (not in Summer)?
21:27 wizzyrea dude, 08 was in the US
21:27 wizzyrea 09 I mean
21:27 wizzyrea that's only 2 years ago. I imagine it's probably one of those things we'll just have to wait our turn on ;)
21:28 wizzyrea Europe is currently a popular choice
21:28 rhcl OK, then Bangkok it is. Settled. Final
21:28 wizzyrea I think you just like to say Bangkok.
21:28 wizzyrea ^.^
21:28 rhcl Wish I was back there. Different world.
21:29 rangi philipines is a possibility, as they are rolling it out nationwide
21:29 * jcamins is hoping for the UK.
21:29 rhcl OK, Angeles City.
21:29 rangi yeah i think europes turn
21:29 rangi 2006 last time it was there
21:30 chilts was that France?
21:30 chilts ah, Paris (I just searched) :)
21:31 rangi yup, and marseille
21:31 wizzyrea I thought it was ^^
21:31 rangi for the dev week
21:31 wizzyrea AH
21:31 rangi the conf proper was paris tho
21:31 chilts so there wasn't one in 2007 or 2008?
21:31 rangi nop
21:31 rangi e
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22:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6683] (es-ES) translate SQL scripts descriptions <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6683>
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22:23 druthb o/
22:25 Agent_Dani It's amazing how much smoother an upgrade goes when one has an idea what they're doing.
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22:39 rangi
22:39 rangi interesting
22:39 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
22:39 rangi never say no to panda
22:50 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
22:51 magnuse rangi: still need a norwegian? ;-)
22:51 druthb hi, magnuse n rangi!  :D
22:51 magnuse hiya druthb
22:52 rangi heh, it was your own status, google translated it for me
22:52 rangi hi druthb
22:53 magnuse hmf, i can't seem to make build-git-snapshot use 3.4-1~git instead of 3.5-1~git
22:53 rangi hmm
22:53 rangi i know how to do it the hardcodey way
22:53 magnuse rangi: so you're replacing me with a machine? *sobs*
22:53 rangi heh
22:54 magnuse the -v options doesn't seem to do much
22:54 magnuse but yeah, i'll just change script ever so slightly
22:54 rangi thats worth a bug report
22:55 magnuse i'll have another look tomorrow, i'm a little too tired to think straight now (and just back from a concert with Fanfare ciocarlia)
22:57 rangi ahh fair enough
22:57 rangi good to hear that the language packages worked though!
22:57 magnuse yeah, i'm thrilled! :-)
22:58 magnuse stille some work to make it general, but it was easy to copy what srdjan has done and get nb-NO working!
22:58 rangi awesome
22:58 magnuse yay!
22:59 magnuse my plan, as you saw, is to offer free koha for personal use to norwegian library people - to get some attention and start to build a community, hopefully
22:59 magnuse and it won't be long before i'm using packages for my customers too, i think!
23:01 rangi sweet, good idea
23:01 rangi have you seen this
23:02 rangi
23:02 rangi and
23:02 rangi
23:02 rangi might be a way to do it, without needing to look after a bunch of servers yourself
23:03 magnuse yeah, looks interesting, thanks!
23:03 magnuse i rent serverspace from slicehost, that has worked well so far
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23:08 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day! see ya late
23:08 magnuse r
23:08 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
23:09 eythian hi magnus_away, bye magnus_away
23:26 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away
23:29 bg rangi - seen any hobbit things lately?
23:50 rangi not lately no
23:50 bg darn
23:55 chilts a couple of my (short) friends applied to be Hobits, but they got turned away for meing too tall
23:55 chilts though they also reckon that acting experience was required (even though they said it wasn't)
23:59 bg heh

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