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rangi |
hi brendan_ |
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chris_n |
heya brendan_ |
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wahanui |
brendan_ is a big fan of koha or the best boss evar! |
| 00:45 |
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rangi |
heh |
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chris_n |
both? |
| 00:47 |
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wahanui |
well, both is best |
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chris_n |
snap |
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chris_n |
bots on a roll tonight |
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brendan_ |
heya all |
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Waylon |
Hello all! |
| 03:03 |
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Waylon |
to unlog a comment, one uses [off] at the start? or (off)? |
| 03:03 |
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eythian |
Waylon: [off] |
| 03:03 |
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eythian |
I think |
| 03:04 |
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eythian |
at least, that's what people seem to use :) |
| 03:04 |
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Waylon |
yup... just checked my log... |
| 03:04 |
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Waylon |
okay.. |
| 03:07 |
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Waylon |
So, i ask... Have we done enough to project the open-source message? |
| 03:08 |
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ibeardslee |
you seemed to have missed some of your previous comment? |
| 03:09 |
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Waylon |
what was the last few words of it? maybe irc has a character limit.. |
| 03:09 |
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ibeardslee |
"..we have develo" |
| 03:09 |
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Waylon |
ah.. |
| 03:09 |
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mtj |
"and we have develo…." |
| 03:11 |
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Waylon |
That came through correctly this time? |
| 03:11 |
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ibeardslee |
"..convince them." is the end of it? |
| 03:12 |
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mtj |
if people/companies dont get it, don't do business with them |
| 03:12 |
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ibeardslee |
open source means you can build on what other's have done |
| 03:12 |
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ibeardslee |
if you built a new system from scratch it would cost mega$$ to get to the level that koha is |
| 03:13 |
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ibeardslee |
1000s of developer days have already gone into koha, are they going to want to pay for a new system from scratch |
| 03:14 |
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ibeardslee |
open source is strong and solid partly because different people are working through the system |
| 03:14 |
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ibeardslee |
building improving code |
| 03:15 |
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Waylon |
So im wondering... why this perception in the scientifiic and university sectors? |
| 03:15 |
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eythian |
Waylon: it's not here. |
| 03:15 |
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ibeardslee |
heh .. I second guess propietory software |
| 03:15 |
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eythian |
Waylon: at least, where I've seen it |
| 03:16 |
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Waylon |
Yes,the company i do work for, has Arabic sector clients. |
| 03:16 |
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Waylon |
.. sector.. origin... |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
ah right. Maybe they just need to be re-educated somehow |
| 03:17 |
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* ibeardslee |
was just going to suggest that with Waylon connecting to irc via a .nz address, we could arrange a discussion with rangi? |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
ibeardslee: or, like, the whole country :) |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
*company |
| 03:18 |
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ibeardslee |
rangi and Waylon's boss? |
| 03:18 |
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Waylon |
Yes, i do talk with rangi often. |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
huh? |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
oh |
| 03:19 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 03:19 |
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* Waylon |
is genji... "But i noticed people using their actual names here frequiently.." |
| 03:19 |
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Waylon |
So... decided.. hey, why not. |
| 03:19 |
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Waylon |
Though.... Catalyst has a new name policy? |
| 03:19 |
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ibeardslee |
to help explain why being opensource should be a selling point |
| 03:20 |
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eythian |
Waylon: catalyst has no name policy |
| 03:20 |
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mtj |
avoid clients that are *ashamed* of running Koha, i say... |
| 03:20 |
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eythian |
we changed when the IRC server changed, as we were already using it there for other things |
| 03:22 |
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Waylon |
Ahh. |
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space_librarian |
must be Friday... even my IRC client wants a weekend. :) |
| 03:26 |
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eythian |
space_librarian: don't look at my desk now |
| 03:27 |
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space_librarian |
dammit! |
| 03:27 |
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Waylon |
damn, "Arab opensource advancement foundation", http://www.aosaf.org .... hacked by a hacking crew... the type to burn and gloat. |
| 03:27 |
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space_librarian |
I shoudn't have looked. ;) |
| 03:27 |
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eythian |
Waylon: <META content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0" name=GENERATOR> just makes it sadder still :( |
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ibeardslee |
haha |
| 03:28 |
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ibeardslee |
I mean damn |
| 03:28 |
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Waylon |
aosaf.net, shows a empty page... |
| 03:29 |
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Waylon |
their facebook.. has three messages, one of them is spam. |
| 03:29 |
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Waylon |
there are no admins left in the facebook group. |
| 03:41 |
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rangi |
thats actually pretty hard to do |
| 03:41 |
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Waylon |
so.. i ask... does koha have a standardised place for error messages? |
| 03:41 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 03:42 |
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rangi |
the more you do this, the more you fork and make upgrading more and more difficult |
| 03:42 |
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Waylon |
yeah... |
| 03:42 |
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rangi |
and therefore you become less and less secure |
| 03:42 |
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rangi |
and you might get hacked in the future ... oh wait ;) |
| 03:42 |
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Waylon |
Yah.. poor arabic opensource foundation. |
| 03:43 |
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rangi |
http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar[…]s_open_source.php |
| 03:44 |
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rangi |
i can find thousands of those |
| 03:44 |
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rangi |
i suspect combating the ignorance |
| 03:44 |
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rangi |
is better than obfusticating hte url ;) |
| 03:45 |
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rangi |
on to much cooler issues |
| 03:45 |
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AmitG |
heya chris, |
| 03:45 |
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rangi |
http://theory.github.com/mytap/ |
| 03:45 |
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AmitG |
heya rangi |
| 03:45 |
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rangi |
now there is no excuse for not writing unit tests |
| 03:46 |
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rangi |
Waylon: http://blip.tv/file/4411674/ |
| 03:49 |
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Waylon |
oh, boss is already convinced... |
| 03:49 |
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Waylon |
but uni's and scientific institutions.. they're a harder nut. |
| 03:49 |
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rangi |
yep so maybe a page on the site, explaining why |
| 03:49 |
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rangi |
its a more sustainable approach |
| 03:49 |
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Waylon |
research grants and academic scholarships and financing.. thats their world. |
| 03:50 |
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rangi |
koha was the second most installed library system in both public and academic libraries in the US in 2010 |
| 03:50 |
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Waylon |
woo! |
| 03:50 |
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rangi |
beating the big companies, like sirsidynix, exlibris etc |
| 03:51 |
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rangi |
over 1200 libraries around the world run it |
| 03:51 |
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rangi |
from wellington theosophical society :) to delhi public |
| 03:51 |
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rangi |
the UN uses it, for 3 organisations |
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rangi |
UNIDO, UN FAO and WIPO |
| 03:52 |
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jcamins_away |
Ooh, which 3 organizations? |
| 03:52 |
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jcamins_away |
Thanks. |
| 03:52 |
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jcamins_away |
That's really cool! |
| 03:52 |
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rangi |
venezualan national library, with 7 million bibliographic records |
| 03:53 |
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rangi |
most of the philipines do |
| 03:53 |
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rangi |
http://www.philstar.com/Articl[…]SubCategoryId=473 |
| 03:53 |
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rangi |
all the schools in Prince Edward Island in canada do |
| 03:53 |
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rangi |
info like that, might make the uni and scientific institutions wake up ;-) |
| 03:54 |
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rangi |
http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha <-- thats just the ones who have entered themselves and their coordinates into libwebcats |
| 03:55 |
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eythian |
and it's slowly taking over the NZ government ;) |
| 03:58 |
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rangi |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15611 <-- not free |
| 03:59 |
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jcamins_away |
Did we hear about their attempt to migrate to Koha, or was it so painless that they didn't run into any problems that required help? |
| 04:00 |
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rangi |
exactly |
| 04:00 |
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rangi |
they did it all in house |
| 04:01 |
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* jcamins_away |
did a migration in-house, and goodness knows y'all heard from me a lot. |
| 04:01 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 04:03 |
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* jcamins_away |
chooses to believe that this is perceived as a good thing. ;) |
| 04:06 |
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jcamins_away |
Hey, if anyone sees marcelr, tell him that bug 3072 is ready for sign-off with DOM. |
| 04:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE |
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jcamins_away |
I already left a message with huginn, but just in case someone else sees him. |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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space_librarian |
hey cait! |
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cait |
hi space_librarian |
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cait |
:) |
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AmitG |
heya cait, space_librarian |
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cait |
morning AmitG |
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adnc |
./translate install de-DE |
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adnc |
Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23. |
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adnc |
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23. |
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adnc |
Compilation failed in require at ./translate line 25. |
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adnc |
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./translate line 25 |
| 05:57 |
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adnc |
hello, i was trying to add german to the koha backend. unfortunately I'm getting this error |
| 05:57 |
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cait |
Umgebungsvariablen exportieren |
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adnc |
cait, morgen. welche denn? |
| 05:57 |
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cait |
und dann einfach nochmal laufen lassen |
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cait |
PERL5LIB und... die andere |
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adnc |
aber dafür müsste ich wissen womit die variablen gefüllt werden müssen |
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cait |
beimir sieht das so aus: |
| 05:58 |
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cait |
export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone |
| 05:58 |
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adnc |
es ist eine debian installation hier |
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cait |
die pfade bei dir sind vermutlich etwas anders, evtl. steht es auch irgendwo in der doku |
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cait |
die pfade hängen mehr von der installationsart ab, denke ich. das ist eine dev Installation |
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adnc |
z.b. KOHA_CONF, ich habe zwar nur eine Instanz, aber womit wird die Variable gesetzt, wenn es mehrere Instanzen gibt und somit mehrere koha-conf.xml? |
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adnc |
cait, ich habe sie einfach auf meine bestehende koha-conf.xml gesetzt und auf /usr/shre/koha/lib das scheint zu gehen |
| 06:05 |
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cait |
ich glaub edann gibt es unterschiedliche benutzer |
| 06:10 |
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adnc |
wo legt man dann die sprache für die admin oberflaeche fest, installiert ist sie |
| 06:10 |
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cait |
in den systemparametern |
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cait |
such nach lang |
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adnc |
da habe ich deutsch markiert |
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adnc |
aber immernoch englisch |
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kmkale |
Namaskar #koha |
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cait |
schalte die sprachauswahl ein |
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cait |
das ist einer der parameter der auftaucht wenn man nach lang sucht |
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cait |
dann kann man unten am bildschirmrand die sprache umschalten |
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cait |
hi kmkale :) |
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kmkale |
hi cait |
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kmkale |
cait: ^^ ?? |
| 06:16 |
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wahanui |
well, ^^ is always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen |
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kmkale |
hah |
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cait |
hm? |
| 06:17 |
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cait |
was speaking German to adnc - about how to install languages and activate the |
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cait |
m |
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adnc |
cait, i deleted the cache of my browser, that helped. now wonderfull german |
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kmkale |
aahh |
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cait |
don't know if it's wonderful |
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adnc |
it is |
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cait |
there will be a lot missing - the new version has a lot of new things to translate |
| 06:18 |
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adnc |
still german is a nice language |
| 06:18 |
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cait |
http://translate.koha-community.org/de/ |
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fredericd |
guten morgen alle zusammen |
| 06:23 |
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adnc |
guten morgen |
| 06:24 |
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adnc |
where can one add tags? is this something that needs to be done for every book, or is this a matter of the opac user? |
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fredericd |
Tags are added by users on OPAC. You configure tagging persmissions with various sysprefs |
| 06:26 |
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fredericd |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]=c18#taggingprefs |
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adnc |
08:30:02-15/04 zebraidx(4772) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) |
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adnc |
i got this per mail |
| 06:31 |
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cait |
hm, not sure about that, it's one of mine. but never had problems with it |
| 06:31 |
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cait |
fredericd: did you get my message? |
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fredericd |
cait: yes, just now. I've added some new permission to you. Confirm me it works as expected. |
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cait |
fredericd: I see the buttons now, but can't press them |
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cait |
looking at the 3.4 opac file |
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fredericd |
Could you describe step by step how to reproducte the bug? |
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cait |
I go to german, 3.4, review tab, klick on review suggestions on top of the opac entry |
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cait |
there is a suggestion from beda waiting |
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cait |
ok, have to run, ttyl |
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magnuse |
Waylon: [off] is the one! |
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Waylon |
rather slow. :) |
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Waylon |
hehe.. hiya! |
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Waylon |
finally caught up? |
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adnc |
every five minutes i'm getting this warning 08:55:02-15/04 zebraidx(5218) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) |
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adnc |
is this the indexing service and why is it warning? |
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francharb |
hello #koha |
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julian |
hello #koha ! |
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AmitG |
hi hdl, julian |
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hdl |
hi AmitG |
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adnc |
is it possible to add fast marc framework after installation? |
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hdl |
adnc: yep |
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adnc |
hdl, where can i do this |
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hdl |
you can take the installer/data/mysql/en/... |
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hdl |
fastadd.sql |
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adnc |
mhh |
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adnc |
i don't understand |
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hdl |
you can use mysql koha -u kohaadmin -p <fastadd.sql |
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adnc |
ahh, but where do i find fastadd.sql |
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hdl |
./installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_fastadd_framework.sql |
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mtj |
./installer/data/mysql/en/fastadd.sql |
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hdl |
it is in the code |
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adnc |
i just see that I do have this file for different languages |
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kf |
hi #koha |
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AmitG |
heya kf |
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kf |
hi AmitG |
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Oak |
\o |
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magnuse |
o/ |
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kf |
hi Oak and magnuse |
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Oak |
hi kf |
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Oak |
hi magnuse |
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Oak |
:) |
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kf |
hi hdl1 |
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Oak |
he did'nt wave |
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hdl1 |
hi kf |
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kf |
hm? |
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Oak |
nothing |
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sunitab |
i am getting an error in zebradaemon output as zebrasrv(2) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) i am not able to do any searches in z39.50 hw to sort out this problem |
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AmitG |
heya sunitab |
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hdl |
hi sunitab |
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sunitab |
yes |
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AmitG |
sunitab r u from NCRA |
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hdl |
is it for z3950 ? |
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sunitab |
yes |
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sunitab |
yes it is from z3950 |
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sunitab |
the above line is log from zebradaemon-output-log |
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sunitab |
when i try to search for z3950 search i dont get any results |
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kf |
I am not sure those are related |
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kf |
record-control-number is an index in koha, not used in the 29.50 search options |
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sunitab |
ok |
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kf |
hm, which version are you using? |
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sunitab |
3.2.6 |
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adnc |
i just see that koha has a problem when searching titles. for example lowercasing capital Ä° (turkish i). |
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adnc |
it does not find the entries which start with a capital Ä° if you do search with a lower i |
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kf |
sunitab: very confusing! Record-control-number should not exist in this version |
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kf |
it's a new featuer I wrote for 3.4 |
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kf |
adnc: do you have a lot of diacritica like that in your data? |
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adnc |
kf, there will be yes |
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kf |
there are ways to solve that, we have a library with hebrew that works good |
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adnc |
ahh |
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kf |
hm. icu could be a solution then, it's another form of indexing |
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adnc |
but do hebrew have lowercase and uppercase |
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kf |
I think the problem is not the lower/upper probably, but the character |
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kf |
do you see similar probles with other capitel/lower case characters from the 'normal' alphabet? |
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adnc |
no, actually not. let me test some more cases |
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kf |
afk, will beb ack |
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adnc |
it finds the rest very well |
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adnc |
even with those characters |
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adnc |
the problem occurse only when converting from lower to upper or visa versa |
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conan |
hi everyone |
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AmitG |
heya conan |
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conan |
AmitG: channel kind of quiet today |
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conan |
maybe everybody have their minds on the weekend already |
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AmitG |
hmm |
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AmitG |
conan: r u from ? |
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conan |
Argentina, you? |
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kf_mtg |
adnc++ for bug reporting |
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adnc |
ohh |
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adnc |
Ö) |
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conan |
kf_mtg: hello there, yesterday you told me about the translator script, but I think I was talking about two different things |
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conan |
on one side I got the webinstaller not showing all the possible options in the deployable menu, the first screen |
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conan |
on the other I was talking with cohen about making an es-ES subdir |
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kf_mtg |
yes |
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kf_mtg |
thosee are connected |
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conan |
so I didn't got clear what was tranlate about |
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conan |
I guess |
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kf_mtg |
you want to add es-ES sample files I guess? |
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kf_mtg |
frameworks, authorized value lists and such? |
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conan |
I want both, but first I want the deployable menu showing all the options available, I wanna try and see a french installation for example |
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conan |
exaclty |
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kf_mtg |
tcohen and me were telling you the same thing I think :) |
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conan |
but this is what I don't get: |
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conan |
from the point of view of an end user: do I need to run some hidden script to make other languages options appear? |
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conan |
I mean, is that a feature that the only option is english without running a script, or did I stomp into a bug? |
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kf_mtg |
no bug |
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kf_mtg |
not a real feature though |
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kf_mtg |
ok, are we talking about the webinstaller or opac/intranet? |
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conan |
webinstaller |
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kf_mtg |
ok |
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kf_mtg |
it depends how you install koha. there are bigger tarballs of stable releases that already include the installed languages. |
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conan |
ah... |
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kf_mtg |
and there are dev installs, installs from git, packages etc. - there you have to run a script first |
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conan |
no, I'm doing git installations |
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kf_mtg |
ok |
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kf_mtg |
it's really not a big thing |
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kf_mtg |
after you have run the make process and before you login for the webinstaller |
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kf_mtg |
export your environment variables like koha tells you (PERL5LIB and the other I always forget) |
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conan |
the conf one |
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kf_mtg |
yep :) |
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kf_mtg |
and then go to misc/translator |
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conan |
I made a script for that, I forget too |
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kf_mtg |
and do perl translate install <language-code> |
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kf_mtg |
for German I do perl translate install de-DE |
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kf_mtg |
it will generate all the template files from the po file with the trnaslations, after that the pull down in the web installer will show you the installed language |
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conan |
ah... |
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conan |
cool, so it was the same thing then! |
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kf_mtg |
because the template files for the web installer are not there before that |
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conan |
if I do for a non-existant language it will generate the stuff the same, but it will not be translated |
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kf_mtg |
and when you choose another language than english it will look for sample files in the directory, I think it will offer the english sample files when nothing is found there |
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conan |
or maybe using 'create' first |
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kf_mtg |
hm, probably, if there is no po file it will fail or generate untranslated templates |
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conan |
ok then, I'll try it now |
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kf_mtg |
ok |
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kf_mtg |
I have a meeting in 15 minutes, will be back later today |
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conan |
but the 'create' parameters probably generates them? |
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conan |
I just started my working day, so we will meet again |
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conan |
thanks |
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kf_mtg |
conan: hm, I wonder - what new language do you need? |
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kf_mtg |
and is it already set up on pootle? |
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conan |
es-ES |
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conan |
cohen told me yesterday there is some guy working on that |
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conan |
I wrote him, but haven't received any reply so far |
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kf_mtg |
what does es-ES translate to? :) |
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conan |
erm... Spanish |
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kf_mtg |
ah |
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kf_mtg |
that looks good to me |
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kf_mtg |
I think you should already have a po file for that in your koha |
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kf_mtg |
check misc/translator/po |
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conan |
my first task here was to add some authorised values, they were translations of stuff already there |
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kf_mtg |
http://translate.koha-community.org/es/ |
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conan |
so I think this approach is better |
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conan |
it will be there for others to use |
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kf_mtg |
yep, but you can use the existing language |
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kf_mtg |
so you don#t have to run the create, run the install |
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kf_mtg |
to get the templates translated |
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conan |
but there is no es-ES under installer/date/mysql/... |
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kf_mtg |
to get sample files you will have to add the directory - yes |
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kf_mtg |
the problem is: in order to get your sample files into the web installer you need to install the language |
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kf_mtg |
you were asking yesterday what else is needed than adding the directory |
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kf_mtg |
for the beginning you can just create your new directory in installer/data... and copy over the english files |
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kf_mtg |
and then translate them bit by bit |
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kf_mtg |
the files are not touched by the template translation process, you will have to do it manually |
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kf_mtg |
and to test them you have to run the translation script - so they show up in the web installer |
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conan |
yeah, probably I was asking the wrong questions yesterday, I was working on bug 6175 when I stomp into the language files, I wasn't looking for them, but now I realize it's all related |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6175 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Mismatch between marc_subfield_structure and authorised_values tables |
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druthb |
o/ |
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kf_mtg |
hi druthb :) |
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conan |
kf_mtg: I get it, translate is for the HTML templates and sql scripts are for the data |
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druthb |
:) |
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kf_mtg |
exactly! :) |
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kf_mtg |
and to make it work for the webinstaller you need both :) |
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kf_mtg |
ok, really gone now |
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kf_mtg |
bbl |
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AmitG |
heya jwagner |
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jwagner |
Hi AmitG |
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magnuse |
o/ |
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AmitG |
heya magnuse |
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magnuse |
hiya AmitG |
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adnc |
does someone know what exactly marc 040 c is? |
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jcamins_away |
Entering institution. |
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magnuse |
@marc 040 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,6,8] |
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jwagner |
adnc, it's a $#*& nuisance as far as I'm concerned. Having it marked mandatory is a real pain. |
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jcamins_away |
Set a default in your frameworks. |
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jcamins_away |
It's required for any sort of data interchange. |
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adnc |
ahh |
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adnc |
if I'm doing the catalogin. how woul i write that |
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adnc |
simply my nme |
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jcamins_away |
You'd probably want to get a symbol from your national library. |
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jcamins_away |
Entering your name would be a good start, though. |
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jcamins_away |
That reminds me, I have to update my code. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6195] manage tab in opac on serials <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6195> |
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Brooke_ |
kia ora! |
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magnuse |
kia ora Brooke_ |
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Brooke_ |
Hei :D |
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magnuse |
Hallo! :-D |
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Brooke_ |
o/ |
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Brooke_ |
busy da, 10 o'clock! |
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Brooke_ |
0/ |
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tcohen |
hi #koha |
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conan |
tcohen: hi there |
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conan |
tcohen: I was able to test today a spanish installation |
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Brooke_ |
awesome :D |
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tcohen |
conan: genial |
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conan |
however I found that we got translated .tmpl in 3.2.6 but the .tt+.xml in master are in english |
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conan |
what does that mean? |
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tcohen |
master -> 3.4, right? |
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conan |
tcohen: yeah, 3.3 in fact |
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tcohen |
i mean, you translated a 3.2.6 instance, what does it have to do with a copy of master you have? |
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tcohen |
you mean you've tried the translation scripts in master with the same .po files and didn't success? |
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conan |
tcohen: we have a production installation, which I haven't touched, it was already there when I came |
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tcohen |
again: what you mean by '...in master are in english'? |
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conan |
and I made a master spanish install today |
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conan |
when we check the UI, I see the old has the value_builder scripts translated |
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conan |
but my installation doesn't |
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conan |
mine is using tt+xml while the old one is using .tmpl |
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conan |
so I guess this has to do with the move to Template::Tollkit |
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tcohen |
I think we're just in the string freeze period so there aren't .po files for tt yet |
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conan |
and the question is, what should I do to make the value_builder scripts appear translated |
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conan |
ah, and who is working on that? should be us? the interested people ;) |
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tcohen |
i told who was working on that |
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magnuse |
as far as i have understood it should be possible to use the same .po files for both .tmpl and .tt |
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huginn |
New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6194] Empty Parens on Serials pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6194> |
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conan |
tcohen: bernardo hasn't replied to me yet |
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tcohen |
when we reach string freeze, then translators can start their work |
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conan |
I sent him a spanish mail today, does he work near you? |
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tcohen |
then wait for him to answer, he works here at UNC |
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conan |
yes, Martin told me |
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tcohen |
but i don't work with him on a daily basis |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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conan |
gmcharlt: good indeed |
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druthb |
Hi, gmcharlt! |
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tcohen |
good morning gmcharlt |
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magnuse |
conan, tcohen: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/001515.html |
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conan |
tcohen: en install has all .tt files, french install has both .tmpl and tt+xml, and es install has .tt but the strings appear in english, is strange |
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magnuse |
"You can start translating!" |
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tcohen |
conan: it is not, indeed |
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tcohen |
strings that are not translated will appear in english I guess, as it s the primary language which trnaslations are based on |
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conan |
magnuse: I've checked a little bit earlier. Do you think the fact that translation is not complete is what is preventing them to appear? |
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conan |
like 'we wont put anything parcial' |
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conan |
tcohen: yes, but recall I have a 3.2.1 installation that already has the translations |
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conan |
that's what I don't get, why have we lost previous translations, the ones that are already made |
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magnuse |
nope, no partial translations are "accepted" |
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tcohen |
conan: of course, as there where .po files prepared for that release |
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conan |
ah... |
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conan |
ok, now I understand |
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magnuse |
sorry: partial translations *are* "accepted" |
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tcohen |
conan: people code, reach some point, we have a 'string freeze', people prepare .po files for that set of strings and then release with the .po for that release |
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tcohen |
so, between major releases you would find that translations are not complete, or available |
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tcohen |
until the release comes |
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tcohen |
i'll back to kdevelop to do other stuff, bye |
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conan |
see you |
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tcohen |
what's the time in wellington? |
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tcohen |
is rangi there? |
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wizzyrea |
early in the morning |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
lessee |
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wizzyrea |
1:45am |
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tcohen |
thanks wizzyrea |
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0/ |
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0/ |
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\o |
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tcohen_rebase_-i |
question: is there a reason for a 30 char limit for itemcallnumber? |
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wizzyrea |
call numbers over 30 characters won't fit on a spine label? :P |
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wizzyrea |
(im not really serious, but it does seem like it might not fit so well :P) |
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wizzyrea |
(it's a joke) |
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nengard |
morning #koha - i'm training a new library and i have a question |
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wizzyrea |
go :) |
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nengard |
wizzyrea just got your message - and you can submit a patch anytime :) hehe |
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nengard |
okay question is this |
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nengard |
they have rebased but they're not being prompted to update |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
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nengard |
their version is wrong |
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nengard |
i know i had this issue before and there was some git magic |
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nengard |
but i don't know what i did :) |
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wizzyrea |
and they're on their rebased branch? |
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nengard |
yes |
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nengard |
just did a rebase a second abot |
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oleonard |
manually set back the version number in system preferences? That should trigger the update database process |
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nengard |
ago |
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nengard |
the version number is set to 3.03.032 |
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nengard |
so it is back |
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nengard |
what was the url for the old sys prefs editor? |
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oleonard |
The "Local use" tab |
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mtj |
nengard: what version are you expecting them to upgrade too? |
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nengard |
master |
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nengard |
we're testing |
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wizzyrea |
so something in the 50's |
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wizzyrea |
52 is from yesterday |
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nengard |
right |
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magnuse |
what does kohaversion.pl say? it had XXX in it some time yesterday |
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nengard |
i just manually changed the version sys pref and it updated only to 032 ... i'm confused |
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nengard |
hang on here comes the library systems guy |
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library_systems_guy |
hey guys |
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wizzyrea |
apt name :) |
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library_systems_guy |
here is the git repo i checked out from |
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library_systems_guy |
git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git |
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wizzyrea |
ok, and you're tracking origin/master |
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wizzyrea |
? |
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wizzyrea |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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wizzyrea |
is really my go to reference for stuff like this |
| 14:24 |
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library_systems_guy |
when i was doing a rebase is said origin master so I'm pretty sure i was |
| 14:24 |
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mtj |
fyi: yr version value in yr db, should be '3.0300030' |
| 14:24 |
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nengard |
i had him to a git fetch and rebase this morning |
| 14:24 |
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mtj |
rather than '3.03.00.030' |
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mtj |
ie: watch the '.'s |
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nengard |
yup, that's what i put in the sys pref box |
| 14:25 |
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nengard |
library_systems_guy is mumbling about finding something |
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nengard |
:) |
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library_systems_guy |
one sec...verifying i took the right steps in the wiki |
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hdl1 |
gmcharlt: nengard do you kow any open ils-di service that I could test against say a vufind instance or else... It is to check ils-di implementation in Koha. |
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mtj |
that the db version only likes *1* period, but elsewhere *4* periods are the norm, is a gotcha for most |
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gmcharlt |
hdl1: provider or conumer? |
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hdl |
provider |
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mtj |
oops, s/4/3/ |
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library_systems_guy |
ok verified, took the right steps during setup |
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library_systems_guy |
phew |
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nengard |
so we need a way to get it to pull the most recent updates cause it doesn't appear to be doing so |
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jwagner |
nengard, would it hurt anything to just run the update database script manually? |
| 14:31 |
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nengard |
i don't know .. would it? :) |
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library_systems_guy |
i don't think so |
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nengard |
there's no data in there yet |
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library_systems_guy |
the db is empty |
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nengard |
we're not talking to each other in this room - can you tell??? |
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druthb |
with an empty database, it shouldn't hurt anything to run updatedatabase manually. |
| 14:33 |
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nengard |
hi druthb!! :) |
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nengard |
where is the script? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that the script is here, take it, pretty it up, use it ;) |
| 14:33 |
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druthb |
hi nengard! :) |
| 14:33 |
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nengard |
wahanui that is not helpful |
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wahanui |
...but that is a risk you have to take... ;-)... |
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druthb |
installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl |
| 14:33 |
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gmcharlt |
hdl: I don't know of any |
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druthb |
wahanui: nengard? |
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wahanui |
i guess nengard is a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ |
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nengard |
not so much anymore |
| 14:34 |
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nengard |
now she's an overworked open source educator :) |
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hdl |
gmcharlt: and you know some ils-di consumers ? |
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library_systems_guy |
script = fail |
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hdl |
wahanui: forget nengard |
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wahanui |
hdl: I forgot nengard |
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gmcharlt |
well, allegedly vufund, as you know |
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library_systems_guy |
2 entries failed |
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hdl |
nengard is an overworked open source educator |
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library_systems_guy |
Can't DROP 'itemsstocknumberidx'; |
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library_systems_guy |
and |
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library_systems_guy |
Duplicate key name 'itemstocknumberidx' |
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hdl |
wahanui: nengard ? |
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wahanui |
nengard is an overworked open source educator |
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druthb |
both of those should be fine, library_systems_guy. |
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oleonard |
I got that same error library_systems_guy |
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hdl |
wahanui: forget nengard |
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wahanui |
hdl: I forgot nengard |
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library_systems_guy |
ok...hmm |
| 14:36 |
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library_systems_guy |
so the upgrade version was to 3.03.00.052 |
| 14:38 |
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library_systems_guy |
so one pref that was added last night was WaitingNotifyAtCheckin |
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library_systems_guy |
looks like im missing files o_0 |
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nengard |
would a fetch solve that? |
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library_systems_guy |
no new git goodness on a fresh fetch |
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nengard |
grrrrrrr |
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rhcl |
sekjal++ <for coding feverishly and fervishly all last weekend to add <date> to notices> |
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rhcl |
would that be bug 5197 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5197 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, today's date on notices |
| 14:43 |
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sekjal |
rhcl: thanks. I take it that it's working as intended on your system? |
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rhcl |
yep. perfectly. Today was the first day with results |
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sekjal |
awesome! I'll get that bundled up, and add the support to notices other than Holds and Overdues |
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* chris_n |
idly wonders if the listserver could be setup to filter based on the phrase "out of office"... ;-) |
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library_systems_guy |
oleonard: if the systems prefs updated in the database but its not showing up on the front end does that mean im missing files? |
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oleonard |
chris_n: I've been on a mailing list that automatically rejected them. |
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oleonard |
library_systems_guy: Showing up on the front end? |
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library_systems_guy |
oleonard: negative |
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oleonard |
chris_n: That same list rejected any message in which the default footer wasn't trimmed in the person's reply |
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library_systems_guy |
sadly |
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oleonard |
library_systems_guy: I meant I don't know what you mean by "showing up on the front end" |
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oleonard |
What showing up where? |
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chris_n |
oleonard: replying to digests is another issue as well |
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library_systems_guy |
ohh my bad...I mean in systems prefs in the staff client |
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oleonard |
Your version number has been updated in the database but the new number doesn't show up in system preferences? |
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library_systems_guy |
the version number showed in in sysprefs |
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library_systems_guy |
however the actual setting didn't |
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library_systems_guy |
interesting bit however, the about page still says V.32 |
| 14:50 |
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library_systems_guy |
but system prefs is correct on version number |
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oleonard |
What do you mean by "actual setting?" |
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library_systems_guy |
for example the setting WaitingNotifyAtCheckin |
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library_systems_guy |
is not available in sysprefs |
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oleonard |
Sounds like your update didn't complete properly |
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francharb |
library_systems_guy: best nickname ever! ;) |
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oleonard |
Thank goodness for tab-completion though francharb! |
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francharb |
:) |
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library_systems_guy |
ha |
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nengard |
so what's going on here - is the system borked? |
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oleonard |
I have no idea |
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nengard |
sekjal druthb i need you!! :) hehe |
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* druthb |
perks. |
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library_systems_guy |
fantastic...looks like ill have to pull a windows and...delete everything |
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sekjal |
nengard: here |
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nengard |
sekjal library_systems_guy is elliot at tyler |
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nengard |
where i'm trying to help train on sys prefs |
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library_systems_guy |
and git is hosed |
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nengard |
but we don't have them all |
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druthb |
that's not as panic-stricken as you might think, library_systems_guy. Do a git clone of the repo to a new directory, delete your current one, and rename the new. |
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nengard |
library_systems_guy mumbles "oh man" |
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sekjal |
so, wait, how is git hosed? |
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sekjal |
updating to the latest HEAD? |
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sekjal |
I had a problem updating this morning, with one of the serials template files |
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library_systems_guy |
So the version number in sysprefs is x.052 however the version number in about is x.032 |
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library_systems_guy |
odd part: |
| 15:01 |
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library_systems_guy |
the actual sysprefs aren't showing up |
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sekjal |
052 is current head |
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sekjal |
or close to |
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library_systems_guy |
correct |
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library_systems_guy |
so why is it not changing in about |
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library_systems_guy |
and why aren't the actual settings in sysprefs showing |
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sekjal |
is the code on HEAD? |
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sekjal |
if so, I'd recommend switching off that to the html_template_pro branch |
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sekjal |
current HEAD is unstable as we slay the last of the Template::Toolkit switchover bugs |
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library_systems_guy |
oh for the TT2 stuff? |
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nengard |
sekjal, we don't mind it being unstable, it's for testing purposes, not production at this time |
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nengard |
the idea was to see all of the admin changes - sys prefs and all |
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nengard |
if that's all in the other branch then we can use that |
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sekjal |
pretty much all of it is |
| 15:05 |
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sekjal |
some fixes have been backported |
| 15:06 |
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sekjal |
so, what you're describing sounds like the DB isn't updating to match the code version... perhaps there is a mis-labeled database revision in updatedatabase.pl |
| 15:06 |
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sekjal |
a "3.03.XXX" instead of a real number |
| 15:09 |
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library_systems_guy |
so I may be doing this wrong but I tried manually updating the database |
| 15:09 |
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library_systems_guy |
and the database updated fine |
| 15:11 |
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sekjal |
if you run the command from the commandline, you can force it through; the web-updater has some restrictions that will cause it to ignore database revision numbers that don't conform to the typical format |
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sekjal |
3.03.00.0521 for example |
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NCAR |
Where's wizzyrea today? |
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* wizzyrea |
looks around furtively |
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wizzyrea |
don't see her... |
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wizzyrea |
oh wait :) |
| 15:12 |
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library_systems_guy |
is that installer in the install directory/ |
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NCAR |
there u r! |
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sekjal |
library_systems_guy: installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl |
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NCAR |
Well, I gots some old circ stats from Sirsi. |
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NCAR |
let's see... |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah thats the one i ran |
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library_systems_guy |
and it updated fine |
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sekjal |
cool |
| 15:13 |
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library_systems_guy |
ok |
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library_systems_guy |
so that rules out the database? |
| 15:13 |
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sekjal |
if the About page is still displaying wrong, it could be an issue with variable names in the .tt files |
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NCAR |
we've only been on Koha for about 6 mos and it's saying we've had around 2000 checkouts over that time. |
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NCAR |
no, 1000 |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah it is |
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NCAR |
sry |
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library_systems_guy |
so i just ran select * from systempreferences where variable like '%waiting%'; |
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library_systems_guy |
and i got the pref i was looking for |
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NCAR |
anyway, extrapolating would give me 2000 for 12 mos |
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wizzyrea |
that's checkouts *and* renewals |
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library_systems_guy |
but its not available in sysprefs on the gui |
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wizzyrea |
maybe sirsi doesn't count the renewals? |
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wizzyrea |
as checkouts? |
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NCAR |
That's about 20% more than our FY08 stats from Sirsi |
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NCAR |
and 76% more than the FY09 stats |
| 15:15 |
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NCAR |
so, who the hell knows. |
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wizzyrea |
76% is a weird jump |
| 15:15 |
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NCAR |
could be |
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NCAR |
i know! |
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wizzyrea |
do you get a lot of renewals? |
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NCAR |
no |
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NCAR |
we'll probably get more now |
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wizzyrea |
hm |
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NCAR |
since it's way easier for patrons to renew in Koha |
| 15:16 |
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NCAR |
but that's neither here nor there |
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NCAR |
in what ways were your circ stats skewed in Unicorn? |
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NCAR |
and how did you discover it |
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wizzyrea |
well we were actually counting checkins as well as renewals, and issues |
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wizzyrea |
and like i said, checkins in koha don't really mean anything statistically |
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NCAR |
right |
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wizzyrea |
because you return things to trigger transfers |
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wizzyrea |
so we had inflated stats because of that |
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NCAR |
mm |
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wizzyrea |
but you're not counting those |
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NCAR |
so ur Sirsi numbers were actually higher than your Koha nos |
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wizzyrea |
nope, with the returns our sirsi numbers were much lower |
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NCAR |
oh |
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wizzyrea |
(part of me can't believe we made that mistake, thinking about it now... of course you wouldn't count a checkin as a circulation) |
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NCAR |
and your circulation seemed to increase once you had Koha in place? |
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wizzyrea |
yes, that is true |
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wizzyrea |
our circ did seem to increase once we got into koha |
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wizzyrea |
and that's despite the fact that we came out of a much larger consortium |
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wizzyrea |
with many more items |
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NCAR |
well, i guess i'll explain the discrepancy by saying our Sirsi nos may've been calculated differently AND we may actually be seeing more circ due to ease of Koha use. |
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wizzyrea |
yea, i'm not sure what to attribute 76% to lol |
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wizzyrea |
slow year? |
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wizzyrea |
economic downturn? |
| 15:21 |
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wizzyrea |
though circ usually goes up when the economy is bad |
| 15:21 |
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wizzyrea |
what type of library is yours, ncar? |
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oleonard |
Unless your state slashes your budget and you have to cut your hours |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
| 15:21 |
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wizzyrea |
that |
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wizzyrea |
just when people need you most. so maddening. |
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NCAR |
we're a special library...atmospheric research |
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NCAR |
i dunno why our circ would've dropped in 09 |
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NCAR |
it's odd |
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wizzyrea |
does seem odd |
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NCAR |
i do have more confidence in the Koha stats though |
| 15:23 |
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wizzyrea |
well you can look directly at the data, that's handy. |
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NCAR |
partly b/c i feel like i have better access to the (huge) brains behind it |
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NCAR |
i never had that with Sirsi |
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wizzyrea |
yea, none of that "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" nonsense |
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NCAR |
haha. yes, i could sit here and complain all day about why i hated Sirsi... |
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wizzyrea |
:) many here could |
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NCAR |
but instead, i'm going to get the heck outta here...it's Friday and I've had enough screentime. :) |
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NCAR |
Thanks fer yer help, Lady. |
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wizzyrea |
sure thing, have a great weekend :) |
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NCAR |
u2 |
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oleonard |
Makes me thinks of LCARS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS |
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conan |
gmcharlt: when you have time, would you take a look at http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/035450.html and tell me about both questions? |
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* kf_mtg |
nick kf |
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kf |
*sighs* |
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rhcl |
why the sigh kf? |
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hdl |
chris_n: I filtered them. |
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chris_n |
cool! |
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* chris_n |
cheers |
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chris_n |
hdl++ |
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hdl |
if you see one though on koha-devel or koha-patches, or any koha-* list |
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hdl |
let me know |
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kf |
rhcl: tired - me nick kf doesn't work :) |
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gmcharlt |
conan: use NULL, not '' |
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conan |
gmcharlt: cool, and the other one? |
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gmcharlt |
conan: don't do the fixme, IMO; if you don't have values yet |
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gmcharlt |
should be actual values, or at least plausible default values |
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conan |
the file where I found those are dumps from Poulain, I didn't wanted to break anything for someone else |
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conan |
so should I comment the invalid inserts and get in touch with the original authors? |
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gmcharlt |
good idea |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p is easy to find :) |
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conan |
cool, thanks, will put my hands on it now |
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tcohen |
an asado for those who sign-off bug 5667 :-D |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5667 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, koha-conf.xml missing entry for z39.50 publicserver |
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* conan |
looks in the wiki for some signoff tutorial and grabs a fork and knife |
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wizzyrea |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
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wizzyrea |
there are 4 tabs I always have open: that one, the version control using git, my test install, and google reader :P |
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wizzyrea |
teh 4th for my amusement only ;) |
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wizzyrea |
the other 20 tabs are whatever else I'm working on that day ;) |
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conan |
wizzyrea: have you checked out firefox 4 tab management? |
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wizzyrea |
no, actually. I had so much trouble with FF4 that I went back to chrome :( |
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* cait |
waves |
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* druthb |
waves to cait. |
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cait |
:) |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: if u don't use ff4 and hence pin tab 'as an app' you should use 'morning coffee' ff extension :-D |
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tcohen |
#koha, have a nice weekend |
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* oleonard |
knows that wizzyrea knows that Chrome did it first |
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jwagner |
oleonard or anyone else who might know -- in the OPAC search results, where you can change sort order, is the Popularity entry based on circulation? |
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jwagner |
found the code, it looks like it's counting from the issues table, so that would be based on current checkouts only? |
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druthb |
that doesn't make much sense. |
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jwagner |
Doesn't seem terribly useful, no. I was expecting something based on the number of checkouts total. |
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druthb |
yeah, the total issues number, or even counting off of old_issues (*shudder*) |
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jwagner |
I don't think I'm misreading it -- in Search.pm |
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jcamins_away |
C4::Search-- |
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cait |
nothing new there |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: that bit of code probably predates the split of issues and old_issues |
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jwagner |
and no one has ever updated it, I guess. That would explain it, at least. Thanks. |
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gmcharlt |
but NB - it's only NoZebra that checking issues directly |
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gmcharlt |
Zebra is grabbing a total loans count from the bib 942$0 |
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gmcharlt |
... which gets set by ... nothing |
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gmcharlt |
on the other hand, at least it can be worked around |
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jwagner |
Argh,.... |
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gmcharlt |
write a cronjob to set biblioitems.totalissues |
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gmcharlt |
run touch_all_biblios.pl and index ... and it should work |
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cait |
and file a bug report |
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gmcharlt |
cait: touch_all_biblios.pl isn't smart enough to do that yet |
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gmcharlt |
oh, wait |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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jwagner |
That's a thought. It'll have to go on the back burner for now, though, but at least I have a better idea what the search is (not) doing. Thanks. |
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cait |
hm? |
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cait |
gmcharlt: sorry? |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
to file the bug report |
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gmcharlt |
right |
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* cait |
is a bit slow today |
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cait |
:) |
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slef |
hi all |
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cait |
hi slef :) |
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jcamins_away |
slef: question about your response to bug 6113. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enhancement to keep previous ids |
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cait |
jcamins: was about to ask slef something about it too :) |
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jcamins_away |
How does one modify the data to ensure that the biblionumber is consistent? |
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jcamins_away |
As far as I can tell, the biblionumber will always be the next available, even if it shouldn't be. |
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cait |
I don't understand the whole problem really - using 001 and $w should be enough, not sure why you need to make some strange number the internal number. I think it will probably only cause a lot of trouble :( |
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cait |
jcamins: what you say |
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cait |
it's not a good idea |
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gmcharlt |
cait: the desired outcome is to keep the bib ID the same from previous ILS to Koha |
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jcamins_away |
cait: because linking to a search on 001 is very expensive. |
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cait |
I see that |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
sorry, my whole world works like that :) |
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jcamins_away |
If it were possible to have a link to http://catalog/001/whatever, and not bring your catalog to the knees, that would be perfect. |
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cait |
I am so used to using the control number from our union catalog everywhere |
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jcamins_away |
'Snot. |
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cait |
I see that |
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cait |
so it's the time it takes to open the search? |
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cait |
so, probably a new column in biblio would make it faster? |
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cait |
what will you do when one of those internal numbers is alphanumeric, or too long, has leading zeros... |
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jcamins_away |
Yeah, but that would add more derived data. |
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cait |
derived data? |
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* jcamins_away |
personally thinks that durable URLs just aren't that important, but he's alone in that. |
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jcamins_away |
The column "controlnumber" could be derived from marcxml. |
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cait |
it could be mapped and copied into a database table too |
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jcamins_away |
I like that idea. |
| 18:57 |
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jcamins_away |
And it could be VARCHAR. |
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cait |
yep |
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jcamins_away |
cait++ |
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jcamins_away |
Say... wouldn't you like to suggest that on bug 6113? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enhancement to keep previous ids |
| 18:57 |
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cait |
I can't help, but playing around with internal primary keys make me shudder |
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cait |
I would like this solution better |
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gmcharlt |
cait: well, it's not an either/or |
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cait |
what do you think about it? |
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gmcharlt |
and, for that matter, a search on 001 isn't *that* expensive, assuming you've got in indexed in Zebra correctly |
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cait |
we never got any complaints - it's not as fast as biblionumber though |
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* jcamins_away |
thinks probably you have a big powerful server, and not the itsy bitsy server that his former employer wanted to use. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins_away: ? a Zebra search that by its nature returns a single hit isn't that expensive an operation |
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library_systems_guy |
does anybody know the cpan module for template toolkit? |
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jcamins_away |
gmcharlt: in that case I will have to blame a misconfiguration. |
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jcamins_away |
library_systems_guy: apt-get install libtemplate-perl |
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gmcharlt |
library_systems_guy: Template |
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wizzyrea |
Template Toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl |
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wizzyrea |
template toolkit? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that template toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl |
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library_systems_guy |
cool |
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library_systems_guy |
ill see if that does it for me |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins_away: granted, it would be more more expensive than a direct retrieval on an indexed DB column like bilbionumber |
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jcamins_away |
gmcharlt: the problem we had with this was that the system invariably crashed if two people tried to follow the link at the same time. |
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wizzyrea |
well that's a bad problem :P |
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jcamins_away |
Yah. |
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jcamins_away |
I haven't tried since I left there, 'cause it was never something I cared about anyway. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins_away: and would seem to be tantamount to it crashing whenever more than one person tried a normal search simultaneously ... |
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jcamins_away |
gmcharlt: no, that worked. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins_away: oy. really wonder about the implementation, then |
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jcamins_away |
Not an issue anymore, thank goodness. :) |
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cait |
jcamins: not sure how fast our servers are - they live on an esx farm |
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jcamins_away |
cait: right, see, that proves that they're more powerful. |
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cait |
I think there is some magic involved there, that I don't understand yet ;) |
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library_systems_guy |
ok so i just did a fresh install to see if that would solve my git install problem. When I load the staff client for init i get this error: "Template process failed: file error - doc-head-open.inc: not found at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 119." |
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* jcamins_away |
isn't working today, and goes back to not being here. |
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cait |
jcamins_away: I added a comment |
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cait |
or I thought I did but had an midair collision with gmcharlt :) |
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gmcharlt |
*splat* |
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cait |
hehe |
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library_systems_guy |
do you guys think the error I posted before is because I might have messed up the install? |
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cait |
you installed the package for template toolkit? |
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library_systems_guy |
the libtemplate-perl packate |
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library_systems_guy |
package* |
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cait |
yes |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah i installed that one |
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library_systems_guy |
everything seemed normal during the install |
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cait |
only a very wild guess |
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cait |
is your browser preferring another language over english? |
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library_systems_guy |
no its definitely english |
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cait |
hm. but for a new install it should work anyway |
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cait |
no idea then |
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library_systems_guy |
hmm |
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wizzyrea |
running from master is occasionally dangerous >.> |
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library_systems_guy |
-_- |
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library_systems_guy |
i can see that |
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library_systems_guy |
sad day |
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rangi |
specially when the week before the release manager warns people not to upgrade if they are running master in production, its not the unstable branch for nothing |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit32: Translations update for 3.2.7 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a460e7abed0863d02> |
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library_systems_guy |
rangi: fair enough |
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rangi |
how did you do the install? |
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rangi |
perl Makefile.pl |
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rangi |
make |
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rangi |
make install |
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rangi |
? |
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library_systems_guy |
make test after make |
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rangi |
dev or standard? |
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library_systems_guy |
standard |
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rangi |
and yep, if it cant find that file, then the install is messed up |
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library_systems_guy |
ok, ill re-run it and see if that does it |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 13 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #11 10 j ago) |
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library_systems_guy |
it has to be the build |
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cait |
morning rangi |
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wizzyrea |
library_systems_guy: so you're still getting the problem? |
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cait |
hi magnuse |
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magnuse |
happy saturday morning rangi! |
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magnuse |
and happy friday night cait |
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magnuse |
@wunder bodo, norway |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:20 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). |
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cait |
hehe for you too magnuse |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.1�C (9:40 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
light? rather heavy, akshuly |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder lawrence ks |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.2�C (2:45 PM CDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
brr |
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wizzyrea |
on all counts |
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rangi |
could check the file is in the right place |
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rangi |
@wunder wellington nz |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on April 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
wizzyrea: feel kind of close to you now :) |
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magnuse |
wizzyrea: what's the time in your neck of the woods? |
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rangi |
hi magnuse |
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* magnuse |
sets the teleporter to wellington, nz |
| 19:44 |
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cait |
oh, I want to visit rangi too |
| 19:44 |
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wizzyrea |
almost 3pm |
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magnuse |
ah, time to go home and enjoy the weekend? |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
16311 *SIGH* |
| 19:45 |
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wizzyrea |
almost! |
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magnuse |
cait? |
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wahanui |
cait is a competent programmer AND really sweet. |
| 19:46 |
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magnuse |
THOUGHT SO |
| 19:46 |
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magnuse |
opps caps lock |
| 19:46 |
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wizzyrea |
nah, it was deserving of emphasis ;) |
| 19:46 |
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wizzyrea |
magnuse? |
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wahanui |
magnuse is, like, so mean... :P |
| 19:46 |
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wizzyrea |
LOL |
| 19:46 |
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magnuse |
:-O |
| 19:46 |
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wizzyrea |
that just won't do |
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* cait |
grumbles a little |
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cait |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
wahanui: forget magnuse |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot magnuse |
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cait |
magnuse? |
| 19:47 |
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magnuse |
cait: 16311? Did you guys add another 10000 bugs while i was eating pizza or summat? |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 19:47 |
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cait |
that would be more fun than translating norwegian! |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
magnuse |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
? |
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wizzyrea |
magnuse? |
| 19:48 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
I am not sure what you paid the person who signed-off on that |
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magnuse |
cait: are you translating norwegian? |
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* cait |
is trying |
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cait |
long story |
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cait |
ask rangi |
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* wizzyrea |
chants "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!" |
| 19:48 |
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wizzyrea |
i tease, I tease |
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cait |
hehe |
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magnuse |
rangi: why is cait translating norwegian? |
| 19:48 |
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rangi |
i told you not to translate it |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
:P |
| 19:48 |
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rangi |
but no .. she HAS TO |
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* wizzyrea |
watches this conversation with amusement |
| 19:49 |
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rangi |
perfectionism |
| 19:49 |
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rangi |
magnuse: the normarc xslt |
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library_systems_guy |
wizzyrea: yeah I am, perhaps I should just wait until the official release so the templating is good to go |
| 19:49 |
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rangi |
or run a dev install |
| 19:49 |
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cait |
actually he said that i am crazy |
| 19:49 |
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magnuse |
rangi, cait: ah yes, that... |
| 19:49 |
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* magnuse |
hangs his head in shame |
| 19:49 |
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rangi |
if you are installing from git, running a dev install makes more sense |
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* jcamins_away |
thinks that you should run a dev install and report bugs. |
| 19:50 |
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* wizzyrea |
votes for running a dev install too |
| 19:50 |
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rangi |
magnuse: she can't just click skip :P |
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* magnuse |
is slightly afraid of scaring library_systems_guy away with silly banter |
| 19:50 |
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library_systems_guy |
lol the devs have it |
| 19:50 |
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jcamins_away |
library_systems_guy: it's not nearly as scary as it sounds. |
| 19:50 |
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library_systems_guy |
heh |
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cait |
no, she can't ... but working on pref file right now |
| 19:50 |
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rangi |
ok time to feed the kids |
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rangi |
bbl |
| 19:51 |
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wizzyrea |
(seriously, it's really better in lots of ways) |
| 19:51 |
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* magnuse |
votes for running a dev install too |
| 19:51 |
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wizzyrea |
the name is the worst part :P |
| 19:51 |
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magnuse |
have fun rangi |
| 19:51 |
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wizzyrea |
give the kids hugs and kisses from us :P |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
do you want to scare them? |
| 19:52 |
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library_systems_guy |
indeed...make sure they eat their veggies |
| 19:52 |
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wizzyrea |
the kids? |
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wahanui |
the kids are off for 8 weeks here |
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library_systems_guy |
jk...pizza all around |
| 19:52 |
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wizzyrea |
wahanui: forget the kids |
| 19:52 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot kids |
| 19:52 |
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magnuse |
hey cait: as a tradeoff, there is some german in the norwegian interface, i think it's a syspref description... |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
nah, can't be |
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* jcamins_away |
thinks library_systems_guy fits in great here, and there's no need to worry about scaring him off. |
| 19:52 |
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* cait |
hides |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
if oyu have German... what did I copy into the German file? |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
he just HAPPENS to have appeared on friday, the silliest day of the week in #koha |
| 19:53 |
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magnuse |
you don't want to know! |
| 19:53 |
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library_systems_guy |
you definitely don't have to worry about scarring me off |
| 19:53 |
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* wizzyrea |
tries to think of something obnoxious to say in german... fails. |
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jcamins_away |
wizzyrea: are you sure? Any day ending in 'y' which includes my presence on #koha is silly. |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
well that's true |
| 19:53 |
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library_systems_guy |
i used to be a chantard *hangs head in shame* |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
and tasty |
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* cait |
goes to look up obnoxious |
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cait |
and chantard |
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* magnuse |
goes to look up chantard (nah, not really) |
| 19:54 |
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magnuse |
hey NateC |
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cait |
ok, my dictionary does not know the word |
| 19:54 |
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wizzyrea |
obnoxious? |
| 19:55 |
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wizzyrea |
uh |
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cait |
chantard |
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wizzyrea |
google translate says obnoxious is widerwärtig |
| 19:55 |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
so does leo |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
| 19:55 |
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cait |
dict.leo.org :) |
| 19:55 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm guessing chantard would be in the urban dictionary |
| 19:56 |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.urbandictionary.com[…]php?term=Chantard |
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cait |
library_systems_guy: be careful mentioning cookies on #koha and you will be fine |
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* wizzyrea |
perks up |
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wizzyrea |
cookies? |
| 19:56 |
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jcamins_away |
Mmm. |
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jcamins_away |
Hey, guess what! |
| 19:57 |
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library_systems_guy |
mmhm i loves some cookies |
| 19:57 |
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wizzyrea |
cookies? |
| 19:57 |
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jcamins_away |
Flour was on sale at the local supermarket! |
| 19:57 |
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wizzyrea |
oooo |
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jcamins_away |
10 lbs/$3! |
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wizzyrea |
WHOA |
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library_systems_guy |
*thinks jcamins_away should bake us cookies* |
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cait |
he really fits in |
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* oleonard |
thinks jcamins_away should come back already |
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jcamins_away is now known as jcamins |
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cait |
where are you from library_systems_guy? |
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library_systems_guy |
Tyler Tx |
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cait |
oh, farfar away |
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library_systems_guy |
cait: where are you? |
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magnuse |
cait: log on as test1/test1 here http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/cgi[…]?tab=staff-client and have a look at XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay |
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cait |
Konstanz, Germany |
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* wizzyrea |
is only two states away in Kansas |
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library_systems_guy |
oh yeah...probably should have picked up on that from all the lang comments |
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* magnuse |
is in Bodø, Norway - above the Arctic Circle (just) |
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library_systems_guy |
w00t Kansas |
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oleonard |
library_systems_guy: You'll sometimes see another Texan around here, schuster |
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library_systems_guy |
magnuse: is it cold there heh |
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wizzyrea |
he's from plano |
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library_systems_guy |
oh nice, then we are kind of close |
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wizzyrea |
@wundero Bodo Norway |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: downloading the Perl source |
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cait |
magnuse: oops |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder Bodo NOrway |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
nah, not too cold |
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magnuse |
just very wet at the moment |
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library_systems_guy |
nah not bad |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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huginn |
oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.9�C (4:00 PM EDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). |
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* magnuse |
wonders if a map supplement to this http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars would be cool or creepy |
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wizzyrea |
showoff |
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oleonard |
:P |
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wizzyrea |
i vote cool |
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cait |
cool |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, to the town level |
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library_systems_guy |
cool...until i get a koha stalker |
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wizzyrea |
[probably not to my house] |
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magnuse |
could be done quite easily with Semantic Mediawiki... |
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bg |
@wunder 93109 |
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huginn |
bg: The current temperature in Bel Air Knolls, Santa Barbara, California is 24.6�C (1:00 PM PDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to 6 am PDT Saturday... |
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cait |
mediawiki... |
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oleonard |
library_systems_guy: We call those Twitter followers nowadays |
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cait |
hi bg |
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magnuse |
yeah, you could just place the pin smack in the center of "your" town |
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wizzyrea |
what he doesn't realize is... once you get involved with koha they're all your friends :P |
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library_systems_guy |
lol oleonard |
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magnuse |
koha_friends++ |
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library_systems_guy |
wizzyrea: those sys admins will be trying to keep you up all the time |
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cait |
koha_friends++ |
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library_systems_guy |
...man where is the bad pun user |
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wizzyrea |
hehehe |
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library_systems_guy |
do you guys use pidgin for IRC? |
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* jcamins |
uses irssi |
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oleonard |
Chatzilla here |
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sekjal |
library_systems_guy: XChat-GNOME |
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cait |
I do |
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wizzyrea |
Colloquy, usually |
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* magnuse |
uses Colloquy on Mac (but not for long) and Xchat on Ubuntu |
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wizzyrea |
(with bip_ |
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library_systems_guy |
what were your settings cait? mine keeps failing |
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* magnuse |
started using bip yesterday! |
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* sekjal |
also uses Colloquy when he's on a Mac |
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cait |
wwhoho magnuse |
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wizzyrea |
I actually like colloquy better than most irc clients :P |
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cait |
if you are asking about the identify thing... that doesn't work for me |
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cait |
what's your problem? |
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library_systems_guy |
oh maybe thats what it is...the connect just fails for me |
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* wizzyrea |
is trying hard to like running Ubuntu. Really. |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: Ubuntu's really cool. |
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library_systems_guy |
so im stuck using mibbit |
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library_systems_guy |
im using ubuntu |
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cait |
library_systems_guy: it works for me, only nickserv is complaining everytime I log on |
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jcamins |
Of course, I switched to a Mac, but I was perfectly happy with Ubuntu, and before that FreeBSD, for years. |
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wizzyrea |
jcamins: i know it is! |
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library_systems_guy |
lol well i might give xchat a quick look |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippie, build fixed! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.2.x build #13: FIXED in 37 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/13/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Frédéric Demians: Translations update for 3.2.7 |
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* magnuse |
is plotting how to get rid of the mac and use linux full time |
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library_systems_guy |
magnuse stairs work well |
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cait |
oh, less to type :) |
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library_guy |
oh yeah xchat ftw |
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library_guy |
dang |
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library_guy |
killed my first choice in username |
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library_guy |
:'( |
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magnuse |
oh no, is he gone? |
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library_systems_guy |
nope |
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library_systems_guy |
back |
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magnuse |
yay, he came back! |
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library_systems_guy |
synergy failed me |
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jcamins |
library_systems_guy: incidentally, in case you didn't recognize me, I'm Jared from ByWater. |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah i got you and ian |
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library_systems_guy |
nicole was just here |
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library_systems_guy |
she was the one that told me to get the latest version from master |
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* bg |
= brendan at ByWater - hiya |
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jcamins |
Okay, some people get confused by my last name. |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah the away kept throwing me off :p |
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* magnuse |
discovers that the wiki is already semantic (cool!) - now if we only had http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/[…]ion:Semantic_Maps ... |
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* jcamins |
corrects himself: *everyone* gets confused by my last name. Some people just stay confused even after they've seen it written. |
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cait |
magnuse... or if we could go back to dokuwiki... |
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* cait |
hides |
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wizzyrea |
noo not doku >.< |
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* magnuse |
thinks jcamins has the coolest last name |
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cait |
yes.. I know I am an outsider |
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* wizzyrea |
pats cait |
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magnuse |
hehe, yeah let's have a little flame war about wikis! ;-) |
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library_systems_guy |
a flame war? |
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* cait |
better goes back to translate norwegian |
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cait |
;) |
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magnuse |
cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dooku |
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magnuse |
um, flame war may not have been the word i was looking for |
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jcamins |
magnuse: thanks. People get doubly confused when they learn that my wife and I do not share any names. |
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wizzyrea |
bg: does bywater have any hybrid consortia? (schools, public, academic all together?) |
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magnuse |
cait: my plan is to translate the norwegian xslt into english, but not sure when |
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cait |
it's ok |
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cait |
and don't |
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* magnuse |
does not share any names with his wife either |
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cait |
i will have to translate it all again if you do that |
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cait |
jcamins: not so uncommon here |
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cait |
or having double name |
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cait |
s |
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magnuse |
cait: nah, it will mostly be the same as in english, i think |
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jcamins |
magnuse: why are there different XSLTs? |
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cait |
jcamins: not sure you really want to know that... |
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magnuse |
jcamins: i made xslts for normarc - and thought i might as well have them in norwegian, since only norwegians would be using them |
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magnuse |
#marcmustdie |
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* cait |
saw that hashtag coming |
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library_systems_guy |
* library_systems_guy agrees with magnuse |
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* magnuse |
turns out norwegian in xslt was probably not a good idea |
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magnuse |
thanks library_systems_guy |
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jcamins |
cait: the reason it's odd that I don't share any names with my wife is that I already have a hyphenated last name. |
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magnuse |
marc? |
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wahanui |
somebody said marc was the standard that isn't |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 123 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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jcamins |
Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there? |
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wahanui |
Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is probably a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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oleonard |
Adios #koha |
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wizzyrea |
wahanui: forget Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there? |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there |
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wizzyrea |
of course, he'll remember that every time we quote get that |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
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magnuse |
@quote get random |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: 'random' is not a valid id. |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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magnuse |
@quote random |
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huginn |
magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010) |
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magnuse |
ooh, what are the chances of that? |
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magnuse |
@quote ransom |
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huginn |
magnuse: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #116: "slef: It's probably some corrupt mix of double-encoding or ISO-8859-1 mislabelled as MARC-8 and the problem is rather similar to trying to reconstruct a pig from sausages, sorry." (added by wizzyrea at 05:10 PM, January 21, 2011) |
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library_systems_guy |
gotta go talk to me boss bbl |
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cait |
jcamins? |
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wahanui |
jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. |
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wizzyrea |
...wow that's epic |
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jcamins |
n:) |
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jcamins |
s/n// |
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wizzyrea |
is NateC still around? |
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NateC |
hi wizzyrea! |
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cait |
fredericd: I still can't moderate the suggestions on Pootle :( |
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wizzyrea |
do you know, does bywater have any hybrid consortia? (schools, public, academic all together?) |
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NateC |
MassCat |
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wizzyrea |
cool ty |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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NateC |
np :) |
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magnuse |
bywater++ # just because |
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* magnuse |
wishes all of #koha a fine time of the day and wanders off to an early night |
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wizzyrea |
kate_middletons_completely_weird_hats-- |
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wizzyrea |
just had to. |
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cait |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
somehow I stumbled into a binge of looking at royal wedding stuff (after being completely... well, not completely, but mostly ignorant of the whole affair) and good lord |
| 20:56 |
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wizzyrea |
the hats are simply ludicrous! |
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wizzyrea |
and I even like non-baseball-cap hats |
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library_systems_guy |
ok so I have a random question for you guys |
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library_systems_guy |
are most of you devels or do you actually work in libraries |
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cait |
not so easy to answer that |
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library_systems_guy |
do you do both? |
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* cait |
is a librarian, but not working in a library, and some say I am a developer. |
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library_systems_guy |
hmm thats interesting |
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cait |
I don't know in numbers, probably more developers |
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cait |
wizzyrea: what do you think? |
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* sekjal |
is also a librarian by training, but has been on the 'dark side' for over a year now |
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* cait |
hopes to get there :) |
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cait |
the dark side looks promising |
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library_systems_guy |
oh it is |
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* wizzyrea |
is in a position much like yours |
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wizzyrea |
but I work at a regional system. |
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wizzyrea |
and I'm not a degreed librarian, but could probably do it in a pinch ;) |
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wizzyrea |
let's see |
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cait |
my job is similar to wizzyrea's I think |
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library_systems_guy |
wizzyrea should probably be librarian_in_disguise |
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cait |
we support libraries |
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library_systems_guy |
oh ok |
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library_systems_guy |
that makes sense |
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cait |
offering different services for libraries, I work at a public institution, a library service center |
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wizzyrea |
certainly the Koha community population reflected here is more on the systems/dev side |
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library_systems_guy |
When you help libraries switch to koha do you get much resistance to the change |
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wizzyrea |
overall though, there are lots of librarians in the community. They are usually hiding behind the one or two techie representatives here.. |
| 21:09 |
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wizzyrea |
I have not encountered it |
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wizzyrea |
Koha, overall, is very friendly to staff. |
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wizzyrea |
it has some rough spots, sure |
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library_systems_guy |
man I am getting so much push back at our library it is almost incomprehensible |
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wizzyrea |
but constant improvement really helps with that |
| 21:10 |
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wizzyrea |
constant and steady |
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library_systems_guy |
i agree, but I'm a devel |
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wizzyrea |
reeeallly |
| 21:10 |
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wizzyrea |
what are they pushing back about? |
| 21:10 |
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wizzyrea |
changing workflows? |
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cait |
we get positive feedback from our libraries too |
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library_systems_guy |
haha everything from the wording in the staff/opac to the way notices are sent |
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wizzyrea |
ohhh, wording |
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wizzyrea |
you should investigate |
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wizzyrea |
jquery library? |
| 21:11 |
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wizzyrea |
boo |
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wizzyrea |
sec |
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cait |
and very few questions about how something works, some smaller bugs and cataloging/data things |
| 21:11 |
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wizzyrea |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
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rhcl |
notices have improved a bit since we started using them, and the recent "fix" for the <date> helps |
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library_systems_guy |
oh yeah nicole told me about jquery |
| 21:12 |
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wizzyrea |
or you can go even further and make your own translation |
| 21:12 |
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cait |
yep you could do that |
| 21:12 |
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wizzyrea |
jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 21:12 |
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wizzyrea |
jquery library? |
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wahanui |
i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 21:12 |
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* cait |
is doing that hehe |
| 21:12 |
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wizzyrea |
"the way notices are sent" |
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library_systems_guy |
I think this will be very helpful when i catch flack about the wording |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah...Koha only sends 3 apparently |
| 21:13 |
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wizzyrea |
I wonder how they want them to be sent? |
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library_systems_guy |
they want a notice sent until the fine is paid...i suppose until the end of time |
| 21:13 |
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wizzyrea |
!!!! |
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wizzyrea |
that could almost certainly be added |
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library_systems_guy |
thats the way they have it now |
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library_systems_guy |
exactly |
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library_systems_guy |
I suppose i should give you some background |
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library_systems_guy |
Nicole came to our library this week |
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wizzyrea |
file an enhancement bug! |
| 21:14 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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cait |
the question is if a patron that didn't care about 3 notices will care about 10 |
| 21:14 |
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wizzyrea |
cool |
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wizzyrea |
cait: that's so true |
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library_systems_guy |
I agree with cait |
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sekjal |
this sounds like something to factor into a Notices Rewrite |
| 21:14 |
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cait |
but I have to say... we normally do four around here - the last one often threatening to send someone to collect the books |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah I thought I could maybe write that and submit it to the community |
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sekjal |
wherein we have arbitrary notices sent at user-configurable intervals |
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library_systems_guy |
break knee's and such lol |
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wizzyrea |
that would be great :) you get a spot in the history if you get a patch accepted :) |
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library_systems_guy |
sweet |
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cait |
and if you could make the notices listen to the calendar... you would have a very happy cait to talk to ;) |
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sekjal |
library_systems_guy: do it! |
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cait |
you even get numbered |
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library_systems_guy |
haha yeah i just need to get down the submissions process |
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wizzyrea |
< 87 |
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wizzyrea |
git? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that git is found at http://git.koha-community.org |
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cait |
hm 97 I think |
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wizzyrea |
git wiki? |
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wizzyrea |
version control? |
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wizzyrea |
hrmp |
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cait |
I was moved around because chris forgot a number, now I always forget mine |
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cait |
git |
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cait |
git? |
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wahanui |
freaking rules |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah git is new to me...i come from svn |
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wizzyrea |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git + http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
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wizzyrea |
a great way to start is to sign off on patches |
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wizzyrea |
test them and resend |
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library_systems_guy |
ok cool |
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library_systems_guy |
yeah that would help me get familiar with the code base |
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jcamins |
Yes, signing off is a great idea! |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* exactly :) |
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jcamins |
I can suggest several super patches that you could sign off on. |
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library_systems_guy |
a super patch? |
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* jcamins |
looks around... huh, do you know I seem to be the one who escalated those bugs to "critical" ;) |
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library_systems_guy |
ohhh |
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wizzyrea |
probably he means "patches for his pet bugs" |
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library_systems_guy |
lol |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
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library_systems_guy |
for shame |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
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jcamins |
But, they're good bugs. |
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wizzyrea |
I often sign off on patches for my pets |
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wizzyrea |
>.> |
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wizzyrea |
<.< |
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library_systems_guy |
i once had a pet named patches |
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jcamins |
One is for serious data corruption, the other is because authorities are broken with MARC21. |
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library_systems_guy |
but i suppose that is a different story |
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jcamins |
Well, actually, terrible bugs, but they're bugs that deserve sign offs. |
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library_systems_guy |
are they in bugzilla? |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
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jcamins |
Bug 3072 and... |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE |
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jcamins |
bug 5683 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records |
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* cait |
sends jcamins some cookies |
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wizzyrea |
you got a testing plan in place for that there chum? |
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wizzyrea |
:P |
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library_systems_guy |
ok, i hate to jet so soon but my girlfriend needs a ride home :'/ |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: yes. |
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library_systems_guy |
maybe we can pick back up on this monday? |
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library_systems_guy |
id love to get started |
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wizzyrea |
of course :) |
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library_systems_guy |
asap |
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library_systems_guy |
sweet |
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wizzyrea |
we're always around |
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wizzyrea |
well nto *always* |
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wizzyrea |
but someone is ;) |
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library_systems_guy |
haha |
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library_systems_guy |
;) |
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library_systems_guy |
cya later |
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jcamins |
For bug 3072, if authority searches work with DOM enabled, the patch was successful. |
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jcamins |
The two searches that are currently broken are "any" and "main entry ($a only)" |
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library_systems_guy |
hmm |
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library_systems_guy |
ok |
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library_systems_guy |
ill take a look when i get to my home machine |
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jcamins |
For bug 5683, the second patch has a test. |
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jcamins |
I guess it should've been done in the other order, so you could see that it didn't work before the patch. |
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library_systems_guy |
haha |
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library_systems_guy |
jcamins i g2g give my gf a ride man |
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library_systems_guy |
ill hit you up with this on monday (or saturday if your around) |
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jcamins |
library_systems_guy: enjoy. I was telling wizzyrea what to do. |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I work Saturday-Wednesday. |
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library_systems_guy |
oops |
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library_systems_guy |
my bad |
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library_systems_guy |
lol |
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library_systems_guy |
ok cool |
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library_systems_guy |
later man |
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sekjal |
he has the right idea.... see y'all Monday (if not sooner) |
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druthb |
o/ |
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\o |
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bye bye |
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