IRC log for #koha, 2010-12-27

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02:47 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
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03:21 druthb o/
03:22 Oak \o
03:23 druthb how are ya, Oak?
03:25 Oak i'm good, thank you druthb. Yourself?
03:25 druthb doing pretty well.  :)
03:25 Oak enjoying time with family ? :)
03:25 Oak holidays I mean
03:26 druthb yep.  peaceful at home with my daughters.  As peaceful as it *ever* is with two teenagers.
03:26 Oak hehe
03:26 Oak there are moments I'm sure
03:26 druthb a-yup.
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08:21 francharb hi all
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08:24 ivanc hi #koha
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08:49 paul_p Hello world ! Back to office after a wonderful holiday time!
08:51 paul_p it seems many of us still retrieving from Chrismas ;-)
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09:15 magnus kia ora #koha
09:16 paul_p kia ora magnus !
09:16 magnus hiya paul_p
09:16 paul_p in Marseille, between christmas & new year we say "bon bout d'an"
09:17 paul_p which can be roughly translated as "good small remaining part of this ending year"
09:17 magnus nice!
09:17 magnus bon bout d'an, then!
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10:58 cait hi #koha
11:22 jcamins_a Good morning, #koha
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11:57 magnus hiya cait and jcamins
11:57 cait hi jcamins :)
11:57 cait hope you had nice holidays!
11:58 paul_p hello jcamins_a & cait !
11:58 cait hi magnus and paul_p :)
11:58 cait so everyone is back now? :)
11:59 magnus i am, at least ;-)
12:00 magnus short but nice holiday - very quiet and relaxing
12:01 jcamins cait: I'm not back to work until tomorrow.
12:03 cait i am still on holiday - but no reason to not be here :)
12:03 cait ANS?
12:03 ibot ANS is the American Numismatic Society
12:03 cait ibot botsnack cookie
12:03 ibot :)
12:04 magnus yeah, #koha is the place to be ;)
12:04 jcamins Right now we're looking up what's in the neighborhood we're hoping to move into, and plotting. :)
12:05 magnus sounds like fun
12:05 jcamins Yep.
12:05 * magnus just managed to solve a charset-problem that has been bothering him for months...
12:08 cait magnus++
12:08 cait :)
12:08 magnus ooh, thanks, but it's a very local fix to a very local problem...
12:11 paul_p cait i'm back, but now it's hdl that is away for the week !
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12:12 magnus hiya jwagner
12:13 cait hi jwagner
12:14 cait magnus: doesn't matter - charset problems are always evil
12:14 cait paul_p: hope he enjoys his  holidays :)
12:14 magnus cait: they are!
12:14 magnus lucky hdl...
12:15 jwagner hi magnus and cait
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12:40 magnus hiya nengard & ebegin
12:41 nengard hiya magnus, i hope you and your family had a nice holiday weekend
12:41 ebegin Hey magnus
12:41 cait nengard: hope you had great holidays :)
12:41 nengard we had a very nice weekend cait - and today we have a blizzard!!
12:42 cait a blizzard?
12:42 magnus nanegard: same to you! i had a nice, quiet holiday...
12:42 magnus snow storm?
12:45 paul_p 'morning america ( ebegin & jwagner & nengard)
12:45 nengard hiya paul_p
12:45 ebegin Merci Paul!
12:45 nengard magnus and cait - yes a big windy snow storm
12:45 paul_p back to work after a restfull week & celebration & snow !
12:46 paul_p (no snow in Marseille, I was in Macon -family in law-)
12:46 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
12:46 ebegin today is a calm day up north (Québec, Canada)
12:46 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0�C (1:20 PM CET on December 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
12:46 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada
12:46 cait @wunder Reutlingen
12:46 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is -12.0�C (7:00 AM EST on December 27, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
12:46 munin cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is -2.9�C (1:50 PM CET on December 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Steady).
12:46 ebegin ... but cold ;)
12:46 paul_p (snow in Marseille is once every 20 years, and it was in 2008 ;-) )
12:46 paul_p @wunder Marseille, france
12:46 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0�C (1:30 PM CET on December 27, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
12:46 cait we have still a lot of snow right now
12:47 nengard @wunder 19030
12:47 munin nengard: The current temperature in CWOP # AR939, Penndel, Pennsylvania is -6.1�C (7:51 AM EST on December 27, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992.1 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST this evening...
12:48 nengard holy crap - it was only until 1pm when I checked yesterday :(
12:48 nengard and let me tell you - that is not light snow
12:48 nengard munin is confused
12:48 munin nengard: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
12:48 ibot i already had it that way, munin.
12:49 ebegin funny.  2 bots speak together :)
12:49 ebegin munin say
12:49 munin ebegin: Error: "say" is not a valid command.
12:49 magnus good thing theit
12:49 nengard did santa bring anyone awesome gadgets this christmas?
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12:50 nengard bengard and I got nook colors :)
12:50 magnus sorry... good thing their conversations arn't longer...
12:50 druthb o/
12:50 magnus hiya druthb
12:50 druthb howdy.
12:50 cait I got a led light bulb that can change its color with a remote control
12:50 magnus nengard: nope, just books and blu-rays...
12:50 cait from my brother... only problem: I have no lamp for it
12:51 nengard cait that sounds cool
12:51 nengard oh no :(
12:51 magnus change colour from red to... red?
12:51 cait yeah, will have to buy one :)
12:51 ibot magnus: that doesn't look right
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12:51 magnus huh?
12:51 cait no, a lot of different colors, from white trough the rainbow
12:51 magnus ah
12:51 paul_p nengard, I hadn't a gadget, but a cooking book "cooking with tea". not experienced any recipie yet...
12:52 magnus ah, i read led as red...
12:52 jcamins @wunder 11105
12:52 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is -6.3�C (7:56 AM EST on December 27, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Steady). Blizzard Warning in effect until noon EST today...
12:52 nengard paul_p that sounds pretty cool :) I have a 3 shelf bookcase in my kitchen that is full of cookbooks :)
12:52 nengard and I got a new pot to use them all with :)
12:53 jcamins Ooh, this is good... the blizzard warning is only until noon.
12:53 nengard that's more like it munin - jcamins, munin told me 'light snow' -- i hear a blizzard outis
12:53 * cait got a mixer :)
12:53 nengard outside
12:53 paul_p BibLibre had many customers paying their bills, resulting in bank account that pleases my banker -and us- a lot :D
12:53 nengard :) hehe
12:53 nengard that's a the best xmas present
12:53 paul_p nice chrismas gift, even if it was bills really to pay, not really a gift.
12:54 * druthb feels cheated. we were forecast 1-3" of snow, and got nothin'.
12:54 paul_p every year it's the same : the libraries realize they have some money to spend and pay the remaining bills immediatly, fearing to loose the money otherwise !
12:54 nengard druthb - feel free to come up our way - if you can get through the snow!!
12:54 cait hi druthb :)
12:54 nengard paul_p it's the same all over
12:55 cait paul_p: I know that phenomenom
12:55 cait is this spelled right?
12:55 cait hm.
12:56 ebegin paul_p, that mean you know when is the best time to propose them new features to develop. :)
12:56 nengard cait it looks right to me
12:56 nengard ebegin, that's a good idea!!
12:56 cait nengard: thx :)
12:57 magnus isn't it phenomenon?
12:57 paul_p ebegin, right ! Aix-Marseilles signed for some devs in december just for this reason !
12:57 * magnus takes the dogs for a walk - hope to bbl
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13:00 cait lunch time - christmas leftovers
13:00 cait bbl
13:02 nengard hehe
13:03 ebegin paul_p, about the new acquisition module, there is 2 values I would like some explanation on.  When creating a budget, there is an Encombrance and Expanditure (I'm sure nengard would like to know too for the doc) :)
13:03 nengard ebegin, i have a bug report for them
13:03 nengard hang on
13:04 nengard bug 4266
13:04 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4266 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, encumbrance and expenditure not used in code
13:04 * paul_p suspect it isn't used anywhere in fact...
13:04 nengard :)
13:04 nengard hence the bug report
13:04 ebegin bug 4266
13:04 ebegin oups :)
13:04 nengard hehe :)
13:06 ebegin Any plan for using them?
13:06 nengard i don't see why you would when creating a budget
13:06 nengard if it's a new budget there shouldn't be anything encumbered or expended
13:07 nengard and then if you let people edit those values the data stored in the database wouldn't be accurate
13:07 paul_p iirc, it was supposed to be the % before warning or forbidding new acq on this budget
13:20 cait paul_p: that makes sense
13:20 cait but the interface needs some work too - it's not clear what you are supposed to enter ther
13:20 cait e
13:20 cait percent or amount
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13:27 ebegin IMHO, I think it should be remove until it is used in the code...
13:28 cait ebegin: yeah, I was going to hide them with jquery
13:29 ebegin Why not commenting them out from the .tmpl file?
13:30 cait ebegin: because I was not sure when the code would be added - there is still the acq branch waiting for integration
13:32 ebegin I think that the one who will add the code will have to uncomment them
13:39 jcamins The snow really is rather impressive, I must say.
13:40 druthb All we've got is a 40mph wind off the back of that system.  It dropped a few flakes last night, but nothing to accumulate.
13:41 jcamins Supposedly it's not snowing anymore, just blowing about.
13:42 ebegin jcamins, where are you?
13:42 jcamins NYC.
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13:43 * druthb waves to Nate
13:43 Nate Morning!
13:43 cait morning Nate :)
13:43 Nate morning cait!
13:44 Nate we got a bit of snow over here!
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13:50 nengard I'm looking for opinions on bug 5419
13:50 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5419 normal, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, account fees not showing as reason to not check out
13:50 nengard I have made two suggestions
13:50 nengard Hiya Nate!
13:51 Nate Hi nengard!
13:53 paul_p Hello Nate
13:54 jwagner nengard, see Bug 3484 -- is that what you want?
13:54 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3484 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Break down fee display on checkout tab
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13:55 nengard jwagner not exactly, the staff want to know why the checkouts are blocked and they're missing the part that says 'checkout blocked cause of fines'
13:55 nengard they don't care so much about the breakdown
13:55 nengard but a combo of that screenshot and one of mine might do the job
13:56 jwagner but if the checkout tab shows patron owes $X in other fines, that should explain why it's blocked, shouldn't it?
14:11 nengard you'd think wouldn't you
14:12 nengard but apparently they feel that because the overdues notice is first and bold that must be why it's blocked
14:12 nengard the circ desk is busy and people just don't pay attention or take the time to pay attention
14:12 nengard the specific complaint was that the reason for not being able to checkout does not stand out enough
14:16 nengard and I don't think that splitting out the fines does anythng about that
14:19 jwagner OK, is this where we summon owen and his flashing animated icons :-)
14:19 nengard hehe - that's why I CCed him on that bug
14:20 nengard @later tell owen bug 5419 needs your loving styling or your opinion :)
14:20 munin nengard: The operation succeeded.
14:22 jwagner @later tell owen bug 5419 needs big flashing lights and sirens and animated icons :-)
14:22 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded.
14:23 * jwagner usually HATES animated icons, but this may be a case where they'd be useful....
14:23 druthb @later tell owen I suggest a hardware solution to bug 5419; a taser that shocks the staff member who tries to bypass the warning..  :)
14:23 munin druthb: The operation succeeded.
14:23 cait there is no case where animated icons are useful
14:26 jcamins @later tell owen I have no opinion on bug 5419, but everyone else is leaving you messages, and I felt left out. Happy four-days-before-New-Years!
14:26 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:27 jcamins Is it possible to have two submit buttons that do different things?
14:27 jcamins (on a web form)
14:28 magnus jcamins: i think so, you give them different values and test for that
14:28 jcamins Hm.
14:28 cait using javascript
14:28 cait but perhaps easier to do it a different way
14:29 jcamins I want to know which is pressed in my Perl script.
14:29 druthb yah, you just give both buttons different "value" settings, and test for that in the script.
14:29 jcamins Cool, thanks.
14:32 jcamins Any idea how to test the @value of a submit button?
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14:33 jwagner druthb has finished the cloning module?
14:34 druthb1 alpha testing.
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14:34 druthb1 harrumph.
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14:35 magnus jcamins: i think you just get the value the same way you would for any other form element - you give it a name and use that
14:35 jcamins Ah.
14:35 jcamins Thanks.
14:38 jcamins Hm.
14:39 jcamins After all that, I think I'm just going to make it a link.
14:41 cait heh
14:41 jwagner Drat. owen hasn't shown up, has he?
14:42 jwagner I have a site where I've customized the color only of the Cart button -- no other changes.  Anyone have an idea why the size of the button changes for no apparent reason and in no apparent pattern?  Refreshing a page, for example, might make the Cart button grow to twice its height.
14:45 jcamins Messing with your mind?
14:45 druthb pixies?
14:49 jcamins Is there a way to make JavaScript URL-escape strings?
14:49 jwagner All of the above?
14:50 jcamins encodeURI?
14:51 cait jwagner: hard to guess without looking at the code
14:51 cait ok, visiting my mum - see you all later :
14:51 cait :)
14:52 magnus jcamins:[…]ref_encodeuri.asp
14:54 jcamins Thanks.
14:55 jcamins It doesn't work.
14:55 jcamins What am I doing wrong?
14:56 jcamins Never mind.
14:57 magnus ok ;-)
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15:02 * magnus wanders off to make dinner
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15:05 jcamins Javascript needs =~
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15:41 * druthb doesn't have cookies today, but offers to share a box of clementines.
15:42 * jcamins has fudge
15:42 jcamins And cookies.
15:43 * druthb is jealous.
15:44 nengard jcamins - wanna take a train ride?
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15:44 markk hello to all
15:45 jcamins nengard: in this?
15:45 jcamins :P
15:45 nengard you're no fun :)
15:45 jcamins LGA, JFK, and EWR are all shut down.
15:45 nengard those are airplanes - not trains :)
15:45 jcamins I know.
15:45 jcamins I was mentioning that to indicate how bad the weather is.
15:45 sekjal my folks are hoping to fly through EWR this afternoon/evening
15:46 nengard sekjal - pretty sure that's not happening ...
15:46 nengard :(
15:46 jcamins sekjal: closed until 4.
15:46 markk i'm importing authors with ... some of these have a slash or a backslash in their names so it gets ommited by the script ... is there a way to fix it? like escape the \ or / ?
15:46 nengard it's the wind that's causing them to stay closed
15:47 markk sorry with
15:47 sekjal markk:  what version are you using? has been deprecated in favour of -a in recent versions
15:48 markk oh .. i'm using koha 3.2
15:49 sekjal markk:  okay, good.  in that version, use -a
15:49 markk ok .. i'll try it now
15:52 markk "./ -a /root/test.txt" or "./" shows me the script content :S
15:54 markk ok ... i forgot the -file before the path
15:54 markk but also it ommits everything after / \ ( )
16:01 jwagner Harrumph.  My resizing-cart-image must be catching -- I'm now seeing it on a different server running completely different code.  Sigh.
16:02 jwagner I think it has to be related to some stylesheet setting, but haven't been able to spot anything.
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16:06 druthb o/
16:06 Brooke kia ora
16:07 nengard morning Brooke
16:07 jcamins Okay, what's different between a MARC::Record from Z39.50 and a MARC::Record that's already been saved?
16:07 Brooke morning :)
16:07 jcamins Oh, right.
16:07 jcamins The former doesn't have a biblionumber.
16:08 jcamins Thanks.
16:14 jcamins Does anyone know how to print something to the Console in Firebug?
16:15 jcamins (using Firebug)
16:15 jcamins I want to see what opener.document.location is equal to.
16:15 * Brooke would bet you a doughnut that Owen would.
16:17 jcamins Ah, got it.
16:17 jcamins;
16:17 jcamins My problem was missing parentheses.
16:17 * Brooke is glad that jared talks to himself.
16:18 druthb He does seem to get good answers that way.
16:18 * jcamins is just trying to share his hard-won knowledge.
16:18 druthb :)
16:18 jcamins Pair programming is hard when you're the only programmer in the office. ;)
16:20 Brooke indeed
16:20 Brooke I was being genuine. I like knowing the solutions to problems I've no grasp on.
16:20 Brooke it gives me a strange starting point of sorts.
16:20 nengard someone want to come over and take my dog out for me?
16:21 nengard it's cold and wet and she keeps crying and then running back inside to the warmth
16:21 druthb Just hurl 'em out the door into a snowbank, nengard.
16:21 nengard hmmmm
16:21 druthb hehehehe
16:21 nengard you're not a good pet mommy
16:21 druthb Oh, yes, I am!  ask my owner--I mean, *cat*.
16:23 Brooke I'll take your dog out.
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16:26 nengard great - see you in 4 hours :) hehe
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16:28 * Brooke notes that the Second Snowpocalypse was greatly exaggerated in her backyard.
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16:49 francharb \0 Brooke and all
16:50 francharb bye
16:50 Brooke bonjour!
16:50 Brooke ahhhh
16:50 francharb ;)
16:50 Brooke bye bye
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16:53 * Brooke is caterwauling to Country. Shut your windows if you're in mah neck of the woods, folks.
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17:11 cait hi äkoha
17:11 cait hi #koha
17:11 * Brooke waves to cait
17:12 cait hi Brooke
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17:24 cait cleaning up my todo list... frustrating
17:24 cait now I have an excel sheet with 90 entries...
17:26 Brooke *comfort*
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17:51 * Brooke waves at magnus.
17:52 * magnus waves back at Brooke
17:52 Brooke :)
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17:54 jwagner Do items being transferred go into any special table?  I see a table named branchtransfers, not sure of its use.
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18:00 magnus sekjal++ # for working on the anonymization stuff
18:01 sekjal thanks, magnus.  I should have it done within the next two weeks
18:01 sekjal but now, lunch!
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18:08 * Brooke waves at tcohen
18:08 tcohen hi Brooke
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18:25 * Brooke waves to druthb
18:25 druthb o/
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18:42 hudsonbot Starting build 65 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 20 days ago)
18:43 hudsonbot Starting build 249 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
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18:48 cait hm
18:48 Brooke :)
18:49 * cait waves
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22:11 drulm All is quiet on the Koha fronyt
22:11 drulm (front)
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23:11 * jcamins got the apartment!
23:12 jcamins Provided the co-op person doesn't decide to exercise her never-exercised veto power.
23:12 drulm What city?
23:12 jcamins NYC, still.
23:12 jcamins But further out. :D
23:12 jcamins Forest Hills.
23:12 drulm Have friends there. NYC really difficult to get appt.
23:13 jcamins No kidding!
23:13 jcamins But now it's time to make dinner.
23:13 jcamins Then resume packing.
23:18 drulm enjoy
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23:29 * jcamins distributes fudge to #koha to celebrate, then goes back to cooking

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