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Message |
| 00:00 |
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hdl |
Going to bed. |
| 00:00 |
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hdl |
Have a nice evening. |
| 00:00 |
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Brooke |
night |
| 00:00 |
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daniel |
bonne nuit! |
| 00:11 |
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jcamins |
daniel: my solution to the circular dependency issue was to not think about it. |
| 00:12 |
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Brooke |
that breaks a cycle. I'm for that. |
| 00:13 |
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daniel |
jcamins: i like that. unfortunately, i have enough lingering interest in recursion that i couldn't resist looking |
| 00:14 |
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daniel |
had i known it would me to have nightmares.... |
| 00:14 |
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daniel |
cause |
| 00:15 |
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Brooke |
lee can get you a heck of a dreamcatcher ;) |
| 00:15 |
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Brooke |
or I can send you one from mah wedding |
| 00:16 |
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Brooke |
hi yhager |
| 00:17 |
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daniel |
Brooke: your wedding???? |
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| 00:26 |
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Brooke |
Hi Reed |
| 00:26 |
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reed |
howdy! |
| 00:27 |
|
reed |
so, I'm finally making head space for really poking around and getting my home koha set up -- and so doing some fairly random things -- and making little things break even |
| 00:28 |
|
reed |
how important is control number? |
| 00:28 |
|
Brooke |
not |
| 00:28 |
|
Brooke |
(though I suppose large Libraries would disagree with that assessment.) |
| 00:28 |
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reed |
C4/Biblio.pm wants it |
| 00:28 |
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reed |
or will break |
| 00:29 |
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reed |
if ($marcflavour eq "MARC21" || $marcflavour eq "UNIMARC") { |
| 00:29 |
|
reed |
$controlnumber = $record->field('001')->data(); |
| 00:29 |
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reed |
} |
| 00:30 |
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reed |
so, I'm guessing the flaw is there and not that the record was allowed to not have a value? |
| 00:30 |
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Brooke |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd001.html |
| 00:31 |
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reed |
ah, so is for record mgmt not item mgmt? |
| 00:32 |
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* Brooke |
is scairt to comment lest imprecise terminology impact the discussion for the worse. |
| 00:32 |
|
reed |
and given this was a pretend record I invented to play with asset mgmt that makes sense |
| 00:32 |
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reed |
- oh, don't worry, I'm just making words up myself |
| 00:32 |
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Brooke |
it makes more sense to me, yes |
| 00:32 |
|
Brooke |
because in the "real world" |
| 00:32 |
|
Brooke |
people usually copy catalogue |
| 00:32 |
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reed |
right |
| 00:32 |
|
Brooke |
so that garbage is already in the record |
| 00:33 |
|
Brooke |
so unless you've someone mischevious, like say me |
| 00:33 |
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reed |
hehe |
| 00:33 |
|
Brooke |
that gets a hold of a useless bib |
| 00:33 |
|
Brooke |
and revamps it |
| 00:33 |
|
Brooke |
because I've no shame |
| 00:33 |
|
Brooke |
and then changes that field |
| 00:33 |
|
Brooke |
generally doesn't come up. |
| 00:33 |
|
reed |
cool, so worth a little patch then probly |
| 00:34 |
|
Brooke |
(it's more so that *I* would get yelled at for being a bad cataloguer, and not because I was looking to rip someone off.) |
| 00:35 |
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reed |
i hear ya |
| 00:37 |
|
Brooke |
as always, Nicole knows better than me if ye can catch her. |
| 00:38 |
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jcamins |
reed: what line is that? |
| 00:39 |
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reed |
1272 |
| 00:39 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 00:39 |
|
reed |
is also reminding my how much I kind of hate perl |
| 00:39 |
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jcamins |
That's weird. |
| 00:39 |
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jcamins |
I can't find it. |
| 00:40 |
|
reed |
is from master checkout as of last night |
| 00:40 |
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jcamins |
Wow. It must've been a change from the last two days. |
| 00:40 |
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jcamins |
Wait... last change was three days ago. |
| 00:40 |
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* jcamins |
doesn't *remember* messing with that. |
| 00:41 |
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jcamins |
And there it is. |
| 00:41 |
|
reed |
git blame sez- |
| 00:41 |
|
reed |
703156da (Katrin Fischer 2010-11-24 11:35:43 -0500 1272) |
| 00:41 |
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jcamins |
Oh, kf. |
| 00:41 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that needs to fail gracefully. |
| 00:42 |
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reed |
what's the correct procedure here - should I just drop her a note since that's pretty recent? |
| 00:45 |
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jcamins |
Actually, possibly best to just send a message to koha-devel. |
| 00:45 |
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reed |
ok |
| 00:50 |
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daniel |
hi reed |
| 00:51 |
|
daniel |
i've been living on appbrain for the last week and see you have an app |
| 00:51 |
|
reed |
hey |
| 00:51 |
|
reed |
yeah, that's what we were using to check people in at the conference |
| 00:52 |
|
daniel |
ahhhhh |
| 00:52 |
|
reed |
but the idea is to make it more useful and general |
| 00:52 |
|
daniel |
cool |
| 00:52 |
|
reed |
so you can get your handheld koha with scanning |
| 00:52 |
|
daniel |
any tips for getting started with android developing |
| 00:52 |
|
daniel |
? |
| 00:52 |
|
reed |
yes.. |
| 00:54 |
|
reed |
http://hackaday.com/2010/07/12[…]-tutorial-series/ |
| 00:54 |
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jcamins |
reed: do you still have the installation? |
| 00:54 |
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jcamins |
I mean, the Koha installation with the data that causes the problem? |
| 00:54 |
|
reed |
jcamins, yes |
| 00:55 |
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jcamins |
If you put the following around the line $controlnumber = [...] does that fix it: if ($record->field('001')) { } |
| 00:55 |
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jcamins |
Wait. |
| 00:55 |
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daniel |
reed: great! thanks! |
| 00:56 |
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jcamins |
I mean, please let me know if that fixes it, but I think there's a line missing. |
| 00:56 |
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* Brooke |
suggests using that paste thingamajigger. |
| 00:56 |
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jcamins |
No, nothing missing. There's an implicit return? |
| 00:56 |
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jcamins |
Brooke: good call. |
| 00:57 |
|
pastebot |
"jcamins" at 69.86.227.22 pasted "GetMarcControlnumber" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/110 |
| 00:58 |
|
reed |
jcamins, yes, that fixes it |
| 00:58 |
|
reed |
I had tried add && $record->field('001') to the if expression but that didn't for some reason.. |
| 00:58 |
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jcamins |
Okay. Any chance you could submit the patch, since I don't have my development machine on, and I don't want to mess with my remote server at the moment. |
| 00:59 |
|
Brooke |
collaboration ++ |
| 00:59 |
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jcamins |
reed: order of operations. |
| 00:59 |
|
jcamins |
(and by remote server, yes, I mean I regularly do development on my production system) |
| 01:00 |
|
reed |
reed hates perl |
| 01:00 |
|
jcamins |
reed: Anyway, to finish that thought, I remember discovering that Perl's order of operations is not the same as in every other language I've ever used. |
| 01:00 |
|
reed |
why is if ($marcflavour eq "MARC21" || $marcflavour eq "UNIMARC" && $record->field('001')) { |
| 01:00 |
|
reed |
not right? |
| 01:00 |
|
jcamins |
Perl is right associative, I think. |
| 01:00 |
|
reed |
! |
| 01:01 |
|
reed |
missing ('s |
| 01:01 |
|
jcamins |
Yup. |
| 01:01 |
|
reed |
if (($marcflavour eq "MARC21" || $marcflavour eq "UNIMARC") && $record->field('001')) { |
| 01:01 |
|
reed |
works |
| 01:02 |
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jcamins |
Ooh, without parentheses around $record->field('001')? Interesting. |
| 01:02 |
|
reed |
so, actually is left associative |
| 01:02 |
|
reed |
no was passing on the $marcflavour eq "MARC21" bit |
| 01:03 |
|
reed |
if ($record->field('001') && $marcflavour eq "MARC21" || $marcflavour eq "UNIMARC") { |
| 01:03 |
|
reed |
works |
| 01:04 |
|
reed |
but the other way around is more readable as far as the intent of the clause |
| 01:04 |
|
jcamins |
Yes. |
| 01:04 |
|
reed |
also, I'm not a big fan of implicit returns |
| 01:04 |
|
reed |
more thinking required to follow the logic |
| 01:05 |
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| 01:05 |
|
reed |
but perl as performance art people seem to like it |
| 01:05 |
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jcamins |
No, I think that's just missing. |
| 01:05 |
|
reed |
ah |
| 01:05 |
|
reed |
cool |
| 01:05 |
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jcamins |
The standard seems to be to use return. |
| 01:06 |
|
reed |
yes, I know it's something Chris and I have talked about a lot |
| 01:06 |
|
reed |
keeping the level of expertise needed at a sane place |
| 01:07 |
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jcamins |
That would be good. |
| 01:07 |
|
jcamins |
I try to avoid Perl black magic in my code. |
| 01:08 |
|
jcamins |
Sadly, I'm not a Perl expert, so sometimes I end up with code that I don't know how to change. |
| 01:08 |
|
reed |
heh |
| 01:09 |
|
jcamins |
Like the bizarre hash-array-hash-array-scalar variables I somehow managed to get out of MARC::Field. |
| 01:10 |
|
reed |
that kind of stuff breaks my head |
| 01:10 |
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jcamins |
Mine too. |
| 01:11 |
|
reed |
laters everybody, got to do some whatever my sweety tells me to do now |
| 01:11 |
|
reed |
something related to house cleaning I thnk |
| 01:11 |
|
reed |
bye |
| 01:11 |
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jcamins |
So long. |
| 01:11 |
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| 01:12 |
|
Brooke |
argh |
| 01:12 |
|
Brooke |
damn you alt tab |
| 01:12 |
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jcamins |
Brooke: ? |
| 01:12 |
|
Brooke |
missed saying bye to reed |
| 01:12 |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
| 01:13 |
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jcamins |
@later tell reed Brooke said "good bye." |
| 01:13 |
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munin |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:13 |
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jcamins |
Thanks, munin. |
| 01:13 |
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jcamins |
:) |
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* Brooke |
waves at ronald |
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| 03:18 |
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jcamins |
In the unlikely event anyone with an opinion is around, does anyone have any thoughts on how to implement subjects in the simple cataloging interface? |
| 03:18 |
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jcamins |
I want the interface to automagically select the correct heading based on the authority type. |
| 03:19 |
|
Brooke |
tell me more. |
| 03:19 |
|
Brooke |
or alternatively screenshot! |
| 03:19 |
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jcamins |
Here's a mockup: http://demo.cpbibliography.com[…]dbiblio-simple.pl# |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
Basically, the user should be able to click the ellipsis next to "Subjects" to look up subjects in the authority file. |
| 03:20 |
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jcamins |
If I knew how to do those nifty videos owen does, I'd show you what the authority look-up is like, but I don't. |
| 03:21 |
|
jcamins |
So, picture something much simpler than the current interface. |
| 03:21 |
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jcamins |
You click the three dots, do your search, and it just presents you with a list of headings. |
| 03:21 |
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jcamins |
You choose one, and go on your way. |
| 03:21 |
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Brooke |
already did : http://www.insomniaclibrarians.com/node/330 |
| 03:21 |
|
Brooke |
but I'm unwashed and talk funny. |
| 03:21 |
|
Brooke |
will look at yers. |
| 03:22 |
|
Brooke |
that sir |
| 03:22 |
|
Brooke |
is a step in the right direction for sure. |
| 03:22 |
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jcamins |
Ooh, nifty! I didn't know we had this! |
| 03:22 |
|
Brooke |
yeah |
| 03:23 |
|
Brooke |
us Librarians give you what Rummy would refer to as unactionable intelligence |
| 03:23 |
|
Brooke |
so uh |
| 03:23 |
|
Brooke |
I got bored volunteering one day |
| 03:23 |
|
Brooke |
and decided to do me best at actionable. |
| 03:26 |
|
* jcamins |
loves his AJAX authority control |
| 03:27 |
|
jcamins |
It just never gets old, clicking that little ellipsis and, bam, there are your options. |
| 03:27 |
|
Brooke |
>.> |
| 03:27 |
|
Brooke |
<.< |
| 03:27 |
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jcamins |
Uhh... right... back to the topic at hand. |
| 03:27 |
|
Brooke |
can uh |
| 03:27 |
|
Brooke |
*not in the face* |
| 03:27 |
|
Brooke |
someone replace the dern ellipsis which is oh so sexy to CSI folks |
| 03:28 |
|
Brooke |
with summat intelligible to the unwashed masses? |
| 03:28 |
|
* Brooke |
looks at the floor innocently. |
| 03:28 |
|
* jcamins |
hopes that someone with any sense of style will make his interface look decent. |
| 03:29 |
|
jcamins |
But right now, my goal is just to write an interface. |
| 03:29 |
|
Brooke |
*nod* |
| 03:29 |
|
Brooke |
that's how the little mister goes at it. |
| 03:29 |
|
Brooke |
on the other hand, Owen exists. |
| 03:29 |
|
Brooke |
So I have faith. |
| 03:30 |
|
jcamins |
Me too. |
| 03:30 |
|
jcamins |
Anyway, my problem is that I want the correct tag for the subject to be automagically selected based on the authority type. |
| 03:30 |
|
Brooke |
definitely try and catch JoAnn and Rosalie |
| 03:30 |
|
jcamins |
Right now I'm just saying that any authority with a 110 should be translated into a 610 tag, etc. |
| 03:30 |
|
Brooke |
they will expound upon the virtues of being able to catalogue in a simple fashion like it was in the before time |
| 03:31 |
|
jcamins |
(at least, in MARC21) |
| 03:31 |
|
jcamins |
This solution makes me ashamed to show my face in #koha. |
| 03:31 |
|
Brooke |
my brain, feeble thing it is |
| 03:32 |
|
Brooke |
goes to sleep about a half hour ago |
| 03:32 |
|
Brooke |
(provided no entertainment, or the right level thereof.) |
| 03:32 |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
| 03:32 |
|
jcamins |
Yeah, mine too. |
| 03:32 |
|
Brooke |
(I can trick it into staying up later, but not the case here.) |
| 03:32 |
|
Brooke |
so we should talk later |
| 03:32 |
|
Brooke |
and preferably with more people |
| 03:33 |
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jcamins |
I'm only doing this now because my wife has told me that if I keep banging my head against my presentation she might throw me out the window. |
| 03:33 |
|
Brooke |
cause more is better. (for emergence and innovation, enyway) |
| 03:33 |
|
Brooke |
hehehehehe |
| 03:33 |
|
Brooke |
that's code for "Cut it out." |
| 03:33 |
|
Brooke |
so you better go |
| 03:33 |
|
Brooke |
and I am certainly gonna go |
| 03:33 |
|
Brooke |
but I shall think on this. |
| 03:33 |
|
Brooke |
and thank you for what you put in so far. |
| 03:34 |
|
Brooke |
also: see extensible catalogue for the cool automagic shtuff they do. |
| 03:34 |
|
Brooke |
(Were mostly vaporware, started being more than that, not sure where they are now.) |
| 03:34 |
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* Brooke |
waves on the way out. |
| 03:34 |
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jcamins |
So long. |
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kmkale |
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kmkale |
@weather Mumbai |
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munin |
kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai / Santacruz, India is 34.0�C (2:30 PM IST on November 28, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa. |
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good morning #koha |
