IRC log for #koha, 2010-09-09

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02:17 kwak hello all
02:18 kwak i intalled koha in lucid following the instructions in the wiki.
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02:19 kwakito whenever I do a search, i get no result
02:23 robin kwakito: your zebra probably isn't working.
02:31 kwakito ic, whta should I do?
02:34 robin have you tried running
02:37 kwakito i'm going to run it now.
02:37 kwakito it's good that I'm testing on a VM.
02:39 robin yeah, VMs are useful. I have bunches of them for various things.
02:42 kwakito run right?
02:42 kwakito by the way, when I do a search i get this "kw,wrdl: education"
02:44 robin yeah, that's normal
02:44 robin and is what you want, probably with the options -a -b -r -v
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02:49 kwak i get this error when running rebuild zebra
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02:53 edward hello
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03:20 Amit heya chris
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03:34 wasabi morning amit
03:35 Amit heya mason
03:40 brendan_l heya amit
03:40 Amit heya brendan
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04:18 wajasu i upgraded and installed from git on monday.  my search seems to error with "Can't determine type of REF(0x4cb1e88) at blib/lib/ (autosplit into blib/lib/auto/Storable/ line 339, at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 500"
04:22 wajasu any ideas?  i see a search run from zebrasrv output.  its just after when the results are shown.
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04:26 kwak why do I get YAML error during cpan install
04:27 kwak Warning (usually harmless): 'YAML' not installed, will not store persistent state
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04:27 Braedon ...well that was interesting...
04:28 wajasu made my night.
04:28 Braedon i'm sure
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05:14 wajasu things working now. maybe the storable that was in a cookie is somehow fine? Oh well. I can't reproduce.
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05:52 kwak cpan complains about YAML.
05:52 kwak just a this fine to skip. or cpan YAML?
05:57 Braedon fine to skip
05:58 Braedon purely cpan - nothing to do with Koah
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06:06 Braedon not very talkative that one
06:17 wajasu ok. i'm up and running with the latest git pull.
06:18 wajasu gnight
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06:42 magnus g'day #koha
06:43 Braedon_m Howdy
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07:10 kf good morning #koha
07:11 hdl hi kf
07:11 kf hi hdl
07:11 magnus hiya kf, hdl, Braedon_m et aø
07:12 kf good morning magnus
07:12 hdl hi magnus
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07:18 Amit heya hdl, kf, magnus
07:19 magnus hi Amit
07:21 kf hi Amit
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08:18 kwak is it possible to run the first time configuration again.
08:20 magnus cd ../..
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08:20 magnus oops, sorry
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08:34 CGI522kwa hi again, it is possible to run the first run page where I can install sample items.
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08:39 kf hmpf.
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08:51 Braedon hmpf?
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09:17 kf Braedon: similar to harumph
09:17 Braedon indeed
09:17 Braedon more inquiring as to the reason :P
09:17 kf Braedon: express a feeling associated with negative karma for soemthing or someone
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09:18 kf firefox print menu broken
09:18 Braedon ahh
09:18 kf took me an hour until I could print again
09:18 Braedon beta?
09:18 kf no
09:18 kf the current version
09:19 kf perhaps a problem with an addon or printer installing and deinstalling.
09:19 kf uninstalling...
09:19 kf it's deinstallieren in German :)
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11:37 ivanc hi #koha
11:37 kf hi ivanc
11:37 * kf waves
11:38 ivanc hi kf
11:42 * chris_n greets kf && ivanc
11:43 ivanc hallo cris_n
11:45 kf hi chris_n :)
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12:24 nengard morning all
12:24 owen Hi nengard, #koha
12:24 nengard wizzyrea those links you send me to the spanish manual give me a 404
12:25 nengard owen did you get my message yesterday about that patch?
12:25 owen Yes, and I am perplexed. But I didn't have a chance to look at it again yet.
12:27 nengard k
12:28 chris_n heya owen, nengard
12:29 owen chris_n: Are you up for a question about date formatting in Perl?
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12:30 owen Hi jwagner
12:31 kf hi jwagner
12:31 jwagner Hi, all.
12:31 chris_n owen: I can give it a shot
12:31 chris_n hey jwagner
12:32 owen I'm trying to add a date to a page which outputs RSS
12:34 owen The standard requires an RFC-822 date-time
12:35 owen I see another instance where Koha uses strftime() to format a time that way, but what I have to work with is an ISO datetime
12:36 * chris_n looks at something
12:36 owen template->param(timestamp => strftime("%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S-00:00", gmtime))
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12:42 chris_n owen: have you looked at C4::Dates ?
12:43 owen I did, but it's mostly over my head
12:44 chris_n it does not look to produce rfc822 formats, but could be made to fairly easily I think
12:46 chris_n or perhaps something like this:
12:46 chris_n but it would be nice to add that format to C4::Dates and make it available to all of Koha
12:47 chris_n with C4::Dates you just create a new date object handing it your current value and format
12:48 chris_n then you call the output method with the format you want it to be converted to
12:48 chris_n and there you go
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12:51 hdl I like it
12:52 hdl chris_n++ atz++
12:53 chris_n hey hdl
12:53 chris_n owen: I'll take a whack at adding rfc822 to C4:Dates during my lunch today
12:54 owen Thanks chris_n, I shall be in your debt
12:54 chris_n kf: about?
12:55 kf here
12:56 kf chris_n: yes
12:56 chris_n I just finished updating to the latest HEAD
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12:57 chris_n I do see changes to cgi-bin/koha/members/
12:57 chris_n however, it now only shows notices with a failed status
12:57 chris_n and they are filtered properly
12:57 chris_n but it seems to me that it should show all notices for borrower X rather than only the failed ones
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12:59 schuster Must say chris_n is a wizard and love the quick label print option.
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13:00 schuster Now if I could get a button at the bottom of the add and edit item screen that said Add/Save/Print spine label
13:00 * chris_n appreciates the commendation, but did not write the quick label print code... only a lot of the label creator code :-)
13:01 schuster hmmm... well then I have no idea where it came from or who I should thank - but it is a GREAT feature!
13:02 chris_n kyle hall was the originator of that feature according to git
13:03 chris_n I'd like to add some sort of similar browser-based output to the full label tool
13:03 chris_n then formatting could be done with css and perhaps the unicode issues overcome with other languages
13:05 chris_n kf: can you direct me again to the patch you wanted me to test?
13:05 kf reading back mom
13:06 kf chris_n: I agree, it should show all notices not only failed - people will tell you the did not get one, it's good to see it was sent out
13:06 chris_n k, I'll work on a fix for that
13:07 kf chris_n: bug 49904
13:07 munin Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=49904 was not found.
13:07 kf bug 4904
13:07 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices
13:07 chris_n the table has a sorter, so if one wanted, one could sort on the status field
13:07 kf yep
13:07 chris_n ok, I'll try to get to testing your patch today or tomorrow
13:07 kf we discussed this page and there were different opinions
13:08 kf I would like the message text to be a link, so you could show it formatted in a separate window
13:08 kf hard to read the way it is now
13:08 kf chris_n: thx! :)
13:09 owen kf has returned from a distopian future with news of Bug 49904 !
13:09 * owen hopes our monkey/robot/alien overlords are merciful
13:10 kf lol
13:10 chris_n kf: ahh... that was my mistake you are fixing :-)
13:10 kf I am testing/documenting batch item modification
13:10 kf can someone tell me what the back button on the last page does?
13:10 chris_n I was having a hard time understanding how to properly format for utf-8
13:11 kf scan barcodes, make change, save, see screen with back button that does not undo changes or make it possible to make more changes
13:11 chris_n kf: I'll test it and sign off on it
13:11 kf chris_n: great! :)
13:11 kf my coworker suggested the change - he does a lot of data migration things
13:17 chris_n through some freak arrangement of fingers on keyboard, /me ends up typing "git retch" rather than fetch
13:21 jwagner chris_n, your fingers have a low opinion of git?
13:21 * kf goes to look up retch
13:21 kf oh
13:22 chris_n or for wanting git to spill its guts :-P
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13:23 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:23 chris_n hi jcamins
13:23 kf hi jcamins
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13:57 kf owen++ :)
14:01 kf owen: what do you think about 5210?
14:02 kf remove the button?
14:02 owen Yes, I was just about to do so.
14:02 owen I can't see any reason for it to be there.
14:03 kf yep
14:03 kf it's confusing
14:03 kf I thought it would allow to make more changes, but you can't
14:04 owen It might be a nice feature, but you'd have to build in a way to re-submit the list of barcodes/itemnumbers
14:05 kf it does not show the changes you made when you go back
14:05 kf i think for the moment it's best to remove the button
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14:09 kf hm, question: I am logged in with superlibrarian and all permissions selected, I have AllowHoldPolicyOverride set to ON, but I don't see the button to overwrite my renewl limit in checkout
14:09 sekjal kf: I wonder if that's related to bug 4449
14:09 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4449 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW, Cannot place holds on unchecked-out missing items if AllowShelfHolds turned off
14:10 sekjal seems like the override policy option doesn't override everything
14:10 kf I am not sure this is even the right sys prefs
14:10 kf I am not trying to place hodls but renew checkouts where the limit is reached
14:11 kf or that are not renewalbe
14:11 kf I trained my librarians to do that... documenting some features today and checking if it still works in 3.2 :)
14:13 kf oh
14:13 kf my fault
14:13 kf I really had the wrong sys pref, it's AllowRenewalLimitOverride
14:13 sekjal ah
14:15 kf but would be nice to have that as permission instead
14:16 kf oh
14:16 kf there is one
14:16 * kf goes back to do more testing
14:19 chris_n are successfully delivered messages purged from the db entirely?
14:20 * chris_n thinks it is so
14:20 kf chris_n: I think no
14:20 jwagner chris_n, do you mean in the message queue?
14:20 chris_n which means there is no record of what messages were sent to a patron
14:20 jwagner Old messages are still there unless you manually purge the table.
14:20 chris_n hmm
14:20 kf or at least it is not like that in 3.01.61 and I think they should not be deleted
14:20 * chris_n will look again
14:21 kf ourl ibraries need the information a notice was sent out - I hope this has not changed
14:22 wizzyrea chris_n: i'm wondering where the notices/messaging tabs pull their information from if the messages aren't kept
14:22 wizzyrea on the members pages
14:23 wizzyrea (meaning, I'm pretty sure they are kept)
14:23 chris_n they are there... most of them at least
14:24 kf chris_n: the print notices are not shown
14:25 kf it only works for the email messages
14:25 chris_n interesting... the message_queue.borrowernumber seems to get set to NULL once the message status changes to sent
14:25 chris_n weirdness
14:26 wizzyrea there was some development that saved those print notices in a web accessible directory by our friends in bethesda
14:26 chris_n or at least in one case...
14:26 * wizzyrea hasn't used it though
14:26 kf chris_n: sounds strange, I did a lot of notices testing
14:27 kf I have not seen something like that there
14:27 kf testing with 3.01.61 most of the time
14:27 sekjal just found a fun bug in
14:27 jcamins sekjal: I love fun bugs.
14:27 * kf is not surprised, it's 11 pages long
14:28 sekjal when you use the <item>.... </item> option for specifying fields, the code confuses the biblionumber with the itemnumber
14:28 chris_n ok, it appears to have been corrupt data, but for the life of me I don't know how that field was set to null
14:29 sekjal so you get the right biblio.title and, but the item.itemcallnumber or item.barcode from the wrong item
14:29 * chris_n confesses to being responsible for part of that code
14:29 kf I think too many people are responsible for parts of that code
14:30 sekjal line 673 is the root of it, I believe
14:30 * jcamins is very glad he hasn't had to work with that code
14:30 * chris_n is mucking through some of it atm
14:30 * kf will have to work with it :(
14:30 kf chris suggested that some of it shoudl be part of C4 - it's really long and confusing
14:30 sekjal the whole notices system needs an overhaul
14:31 * chris_n agrees with sekjal
14:31 chris_n we need hourly fines badly
14:31 sekjal well, at least that'll come with hourly circ
14:31 kf perhaps some other glitches can be repaired then too
14:31 chris_n btw, does the fines system honor library operating hours?
14:31 kf make it more flexible...
14:31 kf the fines system does
14:31 kf honor the days
14:31 kf the notices system not
14:32 kf I wanted to write a bug report for that :(
14:32 chris_n ie. we don't fine for reference works kept over the weekend
14:32 chris_n ahh
14:32 chris_n ouch, rather
14:32 kf chris_n: I think it's not a big problem for you then, no notices on closed days - alhtough I think there is a sys pref involved here
14:33 kf noFinesWhenClosed - FineDays I think
14:33 kf but the notices are sent out without the calendar
14:33 kf it's a big problem for us, because we need to tie fine and notice together
14:33 sekjal[…]/Hourly_Loans_RFC
14:33 kf already printed it :) will read later!
14:34 chris_n tnx sekjal
14:35 kf sys pref and permission for overriding reneal limit work fine :)
14:35 sekjal I humbly ask anyone interested to read it, ask questions, make comments and suggestion changes
14:35 sekjal the goal is to make it work for everyone
14:36 chris_n ok, so where do I find the calendar settings?
14:36 kf sekjal++
14:36 kf tools > calendar?
14:36 * chris_n wonders why he was under sysprefs... :-P
14:36 kf FineDays is a sys pref
14:38 chris_n kf: got it setup, thanks
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14:51 jcamins Has anyone replaced the Koha cataloging module with a more flexible interface (other than biblios)?
14:51 kf hm, I remember someone talking about something more like a text editor
14:52 kf not sure who it was, perhaps kyle hall
14:52 sekjal pianohack made a plain-text editor interface
14:52 kf ah
14:52 kf sorry, I was wrong
14:52 jcamins @seen pianohack
14:52 munin jcamins: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 1 minute, and 9 seconds ago: <pianohack> How's it going?
14:52 wizzyrea and you can always generate records in whatever you want and import them
14:52 owen That's what we do
14:53 sekjal
14:53 jcamins Nifty, thanks.
14:57 jcamins wizzyrea: the problem with using MarcEdit for cataloging is that it adds a whole bunch of steps, and can only be done on the one computer with MarcEdit.
14:58 wizzyrea I didn't say it was the right way :)
14:59 jcamins If we had OCLC, that would be the preferred method.
15:00 jcamins I wonder if SkyRiver has an actual cataloging utility.
15:03 kf owen: bug or feature: overwrite renewal checkbox checked, field for choosing manual renewal does only appear on tab details, not on tab checkouts
15:04 kf date field
15:05 owen Bug: it appears only after you have checked out something
15:05 kf is there a bug report?
15:05 owen I don't know
15:06 owen Bug 5051
15:06 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
15:07 kf ah, I will add a comment
15:07 kf thx!
15:10 kf which version is right for this bug? 3.2? 3.4?
15:10 kf currently it's HEAD
15:12 owen I think HEAD is okay.
15:12 owen I'm not sure any more fixes are getting into 3.2
15:13 jcamins pianohack++
15:13 jcamins I like the text editor.
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15:23 jcamins @seen wasabi
15:23 munin jcamins: wasabi was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 48 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <wasabi> morning amit
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15:31 owen Man, the TMPL markup responsible for Bug 5051 makes my head hurt, partly because I know I wrote it!
15:31 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
15:31 * owen git blames himself
15:35 * kf shares a cookie with owen
15:38 wizzyrea owen: does nelsonville restrict holds between branches? (do you use the itype holds rules)
15:39 owen No
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15:39 wizzyrea k thx, just curious
15:42 kf ok, time to leave :) bye all1
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16:05 jcamins Is there any way to find out what sysprefs have been changed from their default values?
16:05 wizzyrea it would be neat to have that for usr
16:05 wizzyrea sure
16:06 wizzyrea I suppose you could export the sysprefs table and diff it against the default rules
16:06 jcamins I don't think I care that much, but that seems like a reasonable way to do it.
16:06 wizzyrea (or the rules that are in the installer data folder)
16:07 owen Perhaps the description of each preference should show what the default is?
16:08 owen "OPACFRBRizeEditions    [Show]  other editions of an item on the OPAC.  Default: Don't show."
16:08 jcamins That would be helpful.
16:10 jcamins I'm on a documentation kick, and having some trouble remembering what needs to be documented, and what doesn't.
16:10 owen Ideas without implementations are free! Implementations on the other hand...
16:10 jcamins owen: what, you mean you don't have the implementation in your patches-to-send queue? ;)
16:11 jcamins Hey, this is weird.
16:11 jcamins On HEAD, if  you click the link to go to System Preferences, it brings you to the local use tab, and shows no preferences.
16:12 jcamins However, if you click another tab, and then click on the local use tab, all your local use preferences show up.
16:14 sekjal jcamins: looks like all the links haven't been updated yet for bug 3756
16:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference
16:15 jcamins Ah.
16:15 owen Bug 5100
16:15 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5100 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Incorrect link to System Preferences
16:15 owen Not in my patches-to-send queue jcamins, but in my patches-awaiting-approval queue :)
16:16 jcamins Has anyone else noticed that I use the phrase "hey, this is weird" (or some variation) at least once a day?
16:16 sekjal owen: did you want a sign-off on that?  I'm in that kind of mode right now.
16:17 owen Feel free!
16:19 owen I wish bugzilla would track who attached the latest patch. Then you could make a list of bugs others have submitted patches for
16:19 owen Maybe with the "advanced search using boolean charts"
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16:36 jcamins What happened to the patch for bug 5101?
16:36 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5101 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected
16:36 owen What do you mean?
16:37 jcamins I thought I remembered it being pushed, but my demo running HEAD still shows the bug.
16:37 sekjal jcamins: doesn't look like it was commited yet
16:38 owen Nope
16:38 jcamins Okay, just so long as everyone agrees about that. :) After the weirdness with the ANS's catalog missing a few commits, I'm a little paranoid about these things.
16:43 sekjal signed off on bug 5101
16:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5101 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected
16:45 wizzyrea urg. The slips don't include intranetuserjs
16:45 wizzyrea at least the hold transit slips dont
16:45 wizzyrea er
16:45 wizzyrea well let me qualify that
16:45 wizzyrea the version I'm using doesn't allow that
16:45 wizzyrea >.>
16:46 wizzyrea So. I need a way to modify them. How...
16:48 owen Yeah, sorry wizzyrea , the slip page is designed to be lean and speedy
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16:48 wizzyrea if only there were an intranetusercss
16:48 wizzyrea ok
16:48 wizzyrea then I have a suggestion
16:48 wizzyrea well
16:48 wizzyrea never mind
16:48 wizzyrea actually
16:48 owen :D
16:48 wizzyrea let me verify it's actually a problem still on head
16:49 wizzyrea and aside from that
16:49 wizzyrea I"ll just f-in fix it if it is.
16:50 owen f-in a.
16:50 wizzyrea ;)
16:51 wizzyrea aside:
16:51 wizzyrea are those itype images?
16:51 owen Yes
16:51 wizzyrea aha
16:51 wizzyrea wonder why they're broken
16:52 * wizzyrea puts it on the list
16:52 owen It's working for me in HEAD
16:52 wizzyrea hm
16:53 owen (I don't have a broken image I mean)
16:54 wizzyrea ooh, I wasn't quite up to date
16:54 wizzyrea do you have the pref to show them on?
16:55 wizzyrea I don't maybe that's the difference
16:56 wizzyrea urg, no. w/e
16:56 owen ?
16:56 wizzyrea it's broken with the pref either way, but I'm workin on something else it'll have to wait. :/
16:58 owen wizzyrea: Looks like if you don't have an item type image specified you get a broken image. That's a new bug
16:58 wizzyrea Oh.
16:58 wizzyrea well I will file one then :P
16:59 * owen hates hates hates that Firefox doesn't show a broken image icon for broken images
17:00 wizzyrea they're "helping"
17:00 owen I'm surprised a developer hasn't come up with an add-on to fix that by now
17:08 nengard can anyone tell me how to force my system to generate overdue notices?
17:08 nengard I tried the following:
17:08 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/
17:08 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/ -t
17:08 nengard but neither seemed to generate notices
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17:17 jcamins Why _isn't_ there an IntranetCSS option?
17:17 jcamins I don't need one, I'm just curious.
17:18 owen It's just an oversight
17:18 owen Bug 3381
17:18 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3381 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Add an IntranetUserCSS system preference
17:18 jcamins Ah. Good explanation.
17:18 nengard :)
17:21 hdl nengard: overdunotices generates mail which have to be processed by process_message_queue in message_queue table
17:21 nengard hdl, the messages aren't in my queue even ...
17:21 hdl huh???
17:21 nengard hang on - going to look once more ...
17:22 cait hi koha
17:22 nengard hdl, the only messages in my queue are hold messages
17:22 nengard it makes no sense
17:23 hdl is it a fresh master ?
17:23 jcamins hi cait
17:24 nengard hdl yes - just did a rebase yesterday
17:24 nengard but obviously something is wrong in my install
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17:31 nengard okay i tried to reset again and still nothing ... here's what I did:
17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ git checkout -b newhead origin
17:31 nengard Branch newhead set up to track remote branch refs/remotes/origin/master.
17:31 nengard Switched to a new branch "newhead"
17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/
17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ git reset --hard HEAD
17:31 nengard HEAD is now at e58961f Merge branch 'translation' of git:// into to-push
17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/
17:37 hdl mmmm do you have overduerules set ?
17:39 nengard hdl, which are you talking about? I have notice triggers set and I have it set to YES for overdue notices on the patron categories ... off to double and triple check though
17:39 cait nengard: have you added rules to the standard library?
17:39 cait notice trigger rules for standard library
17:39 cait finesMode to production
17:40 nengard cait you mean default library?
17:40 cait yep
17:40 cait I had problems with that in the past
17:40 nengard yes - and as for finesmode - why would that matter - this is for an overdue notice not to accrue fines
17:40 cait never add ntoice triggers for default library
17:40 cait you are right about the findeMode
17:41 nengard cait - actually i only have triggers for the default library - not the others
17:41 cait delete them and add one for the specific library
17:41 cait there is an old bug and I don't remember it was fixed
17:43 cait bug 3393
17:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3393 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Default branches and overdues notices
17:43 nengard i'll try that cait
17:44 cait I spend more time with fines and notices than I ever wanted to :)
17:44 nengard yes
17:47 nengard HA!!!! that did it!!!!
17:47 nengard what a HUGE BUG!
17:47 nengard cait++
17:47 cait and very old too
17:47 cait I tracked a lot of duplicates
17:48 cait happy that it works now :)
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17:48 sekjal I patched 3393... and I thought it got commited... huh
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17:50 nengard sekjal, i think owen's comment on that bug means it was pushed to 3.x but not HEAD
17:50 cait I think there was a patch galen commented too
17:51 sekjal weird. I'm seeing that I sent it three times
17:53 cait hm and paul and nahuel had patches too
17:53 cait ah, paul not, misreading the bug
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17:53 cait sekjal: is your patch in bugzilla? I have checked the duplicate bugs but only found nahuel's patch
17:54 sekjal I must have only gotten halfway through the publication process
17:54 sekjal I blame too much multitasking
17:55 cait chris_n: now I found the bug... bug 3941
17:55 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Notices Tab on Patron Records Showing All Msgs
17:56 rhcl is this a good working example of a cronjob I can use?
17:56 rhcl -t -html /tmp/noticedir -itemscontent issuedate,date_due,title,barcode,author
17:56 rhcl If I only what printed output (to a text file), do I need to add "-n" or is that handled by the "html"
17:56 rhcl ?
17:57 chris_n cait: it seems to work in the current HEAD
17:57 rhcl -n -t -html /tmp/noticedir -itemscontent issuedate,date_due,title,barcode,author
17:57 chris_n cait: I wonder if that bug should be closed out?
17:57 cait chris_n: if you tested it make a comment and close it :)
17:57 chris_n will do, its on my list :-)
17:58 chris_n today has been a Koha day for me :)
17:59 cait for me every day is a koha day - love my job :)
17:59 nengard cait you helped me be able to test sekjal's patch
17:59 nengard thanks!
17:59 cait happy that I was able to help
17:59 nengard also - same here! koha day everyday! love it!
18:03 sekjal okay, published my patch for 3393 on bugs.k-c
18:03 sekjal not sure what I was thinking or doing when I originally sent it to the list
18:08 * owen wonders what he was doing before lunch
18:09 * wizzyrea too
18:10 cait me too
18:10 cait not my day, threw sugar pot on the floor, spilled green tea and tried to soak kitchen in hot chocolate
18:10 cait all in the last 10 minutes
18:11 wizzyrea wow
18:11 nengard hot chocolate and green tea???
18:11 wizzyrea ^^ is relevant to my interests
18:11 cait why not?
18:11 wizzyrea hehe
18:11 nengard just wondering why you're drinking them both at the same time
18:11 wizzyrea why not?
18:11 cait the hot chocolate goes first
18:11 nengard ahh - see now it's okay :)
18:12 nengard hehe - maybe i'm the weird one :)
18:12 cait it's getting colder here and I have to read that xslt chapter for my distance study
18:12 nengard i live on green tea
18:12 cait I need every help I can get
18:13 cait organic japan sencha - yum
18:15 nengard hmmmm - dont think i've had that
18:16 nengard genmai is my tea of choice
18:16 cait wizzyrea: your bug sounds familiar - bug 3524
18:16 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3524 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Display of item type image/description when placing holds (broken image / no description)
18:16 nengard but i also have a tea from teavanna that's a mix of jsmine green and tropical roobis (spell?)
18:16 wizzyrea ok cool
18:16 wizzyrea well I"ll just dump mine then
18:16 cait no, mine was fixed
18:16 cait but I wonder if it crept in
18:16 cait back
18:16 nengard it's great to have so many people around to remember bugs !!
18:17 wizzyrea well it's definitely back
18:17 owen If anyone is curious, this works:[…]olders-in-firefox
18:17 cait I will remember bugs but not the the things from my distace study course :(
18:17 wizzyrea heyyyy neat
18:18 cait nengard: I have to try jasmine tea soon
18:18 nengard sometimes it's too strong on it's own
18:18 cait nengard: do you know chocolate with green tea (matcha)? I love it
18:19 cait but it's difficult to get
18:19 nengard i haven't
18:19 nengard but does sound yumm
18:19 wizzyrea does anybody have a SSL HEAD handy?
18:19 * wizzyrea doesn't
18:19 cait ssl head?
18:19 wizzyrea a version of koha running head (or close to it) that uses SSL
18:19 wizzyrea https
18:20 cait ah
18:20 cait ours are 3.01.61
18:20 wizzyrea do you use SSL?
18:20 cait all using https
18:20 wizzyrea WOO
18:20 wizzyrea ok
18:20 chris Morning
18:20 cait you get some ugly error message with amazon features turned on, but works without problems
18:20 wizzyrea do you have any issues with it kicking you out of secure access surrounding z searching, advanced searches
18:21 cait not really error messages - warnings from firefox about content from another url
18:21 wizzyrea or hangs while importing messages
18:21 wizzyrea hangs while importing records
18:21 wizzyrea hey chris
18:21 wizzyrea how's the kiddo (and the rest of  the fam, for that matter)
18:21 cait I do not often import records in staff, but never had any problems
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18:21 cait morning chris
18:21 chris On the mend but still sick last I heard
18:21 wizzyrea :/
18:21 cait and my librarians reported no kick outs
18:22 cait :(
18:22 cait what happened?
18:22 wizzyrea cool beans, thanks for checking cait
18:22 cait no problem
18:23 cait we are using https from the beginning, I think serious problems should have shown up by now
18:23 nengard chris, that's good news
18:23 wizzyrea right, my librarians report being kicked out when they click on the advanced intranet search
18:24 wizzyrea er, kicked to regular http
18:24 wizzyrea but
18:24 wizzyrea that's not HEAD
18:25 * wizzyrea would like to hear that it doesn't happen that way on HEASD
18:25 nengard wizzyrea we have some customers running that wy
18:25 nengard way
18:25 nengard i'll see if i can find one
18:26 chris Yeah I haven't seen that in master
18:26 cait wizzyrea: I think my test installation is not running on https, but will check at work tomorrow
18:26 wizzyrea k sec screencast for reproduce inc
18:26 wizzyrea
18:26 nengard wizzyrea, in the staff client on a near HEAD install when i click advanced it keeps me in https
18:26 wizzyrea what happens when you search
18:27 nengard after searching it stays
18:27 wizzyrea woot ok good
18:27 * wizzyrea feels happy
18:28 nengard i clicked your link but it didn't show me anything - cause i'm probably blocking the script :)
18:28 wizzyrea it's flash
18:28 wizzyrea dk
18:28 nengard yeah for some reason flashblock isn't showing me the play button
18:29 wizzyrea :/ the highlight is
18:30 wizzyrea if you search for something from https, once you click "search" it gives you results in http
18:30 wizzyrea but
18:30 wizzyrea since you have verified that master doesn't do that
18:30 wizzyrea it's of no concern here.
18:32 chris :)
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18:42 briceSanc hello !
18:47 chris Hi bricesanc
18:47 briceSanc Do you know the technical characteristics to operate KOHA (CPU, RAM, Disk space,...)?
18:48 chris How long is a piece of string?
18:48 chris :)
18:48 briceSanc Do you know the techs specs to run KOHA (CPU, RAM, Disk space,...)? (better than google translate :)
18:48 chris It totally depends on the size of the library
18:49 schuster Size of library, number of anticipated users, number of transactions...
18:50 chris Ps its Koha .... not an acronym, but a maori word :)
18:50 sekjal briceSanc:  for production libraries of a small size, I'd recommend at least 512MB RAM and 20GB.  More for larger, certainly
18:50 owen KOHA = Kalamazoo Optimist Hockey Association
18:50 sekjal sorry, 20GB diskspace
18:51 schuster I have 68 locations do over 30,000 circs a day hundreds of opac hits a day about 250,000 bibs, 1.3 million items.  I'm running a Dell 2950 - 2 quad processors
18:51 wizzyrea 30k circs a day!
18:51 wizzyrea srs?!
18:51 wizzyrea that's super cool.
18:52 chris For schusters id actually have a db server sep
18:52 chris And a couple of load balanced webservers
18:52 schuster 16 GB of memory, 8 - 146 gb drives with raid 10
18:52 chris Just for redundancy
18:53 owen 30,000 / 68 is only 441, so it's not crazy at all
18:53 schuster We are looking at moving Zebra and the indexes to another server right now we are being hammered by orientation and kids learning how to use the pac
18:53 schuster between the hours of 8 and 2 by the way on circ and most of the circ is really done by about 46 of the schools.
18:54 schuster (elementary)  Checkin is amazing in the morning...  We don't circulate magazines as it slows the process WAY down.
18:54 schuster They do about 20,000 checkins every morning between 7-9 at those 46 schools.
18:54 wizzyrea ^^ seems a bit amazing to me still
18:55 schuster me too...
18:55 wizzyrea but maybe it's just all the 0's
18:55 chris Zebra and mysql both use io a lot sep servers is good
18:55 schuster To think that there is just a librarian and MAYBE a volunteer...
18:56 schuster chris - when we started having near stoppages due to searches taking forever I decided to move our discussion about what would help in the short term and you had suggested the Zebra move.
18:56 chris You can run multiple zebra too
18:57 chris Ie 2 frontends with their own zebra
18:57 chris That talk back to one db server
18:58 schuster In about 4 weeks it will become a non issue so one Zebra will probably suffice.
18:58 wizzyrea what happens in 4 weeks?
18:58 schuster I just want to speed up the cko/cki/patron lookup...  and still be able to allow kids to search.
18:59 chris Yep moving the searches to their own machine
18:59 schuster Library orientation will be over and they will go to teaching library lessons on literature and using other databases.  They are reminding the kids now how to look up books.
18:59 chris Is the perfect way
18:59 wizzyrea oh
18:59 chris Ie the opac is one server, with its own Zebra
19:00 schuster So we have 68 schools and probably every hour we have 2 schools with a total of 60 kids doing a very basic search all at the same time bumps the load average from 2 to 45 in about 3 minutes and circ crawls
19:00 wizzyrea wow, yea it sounds like you have a need for some infrastructure design there.
19:01 schuster opac wil still be on the production server, but moving the indexing I think will help the most for now.
19:01 chris It will help some
19:01 chris But they are still holding open an apache thread
19:01 chris That circ then can't use
19:02 * chris has learnt lots from , millions of hits each hour etc
19:03 schuster Not optimal, but I need to make due with what I have right now.  Can't make too many changes in the middle of a school year.  Will have to talk with my vendor about local optimization changes for next summer.
19:03 chris Good luck with that
19:04 briceSanc In my case, each library will have about 13 simultaneous connections to the database, 40 permanent connections to KOHA and 200,000 references. What are my technical requirements?
19:04 schuster I like having the servers local and not in the cloud...
19:04 chris Yup
19:04 chris I would too
19:04 schuster They are open to helping me which is good...
19:05 schuster briceSanc - you don't need much...  There are companies that will actually host it for you in the cloud if you don't want to deal with the hardware...
19:05 chris Maybe you can ask them to stop attacking the rest of us :)
19:05 schuster ;)
19:06 chris Yeah a single server would be enough for that bricesanc, backed up of course
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19:13 briceSanc schuster, my company also hosts websites but KOHA is new for us, so we are trying to make the good choice.
19:14 owen briceSanc: Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word.
19:14 schuster Koha not KOHA
19:15 wizzyrea clearly it's a common peeve. :)
19:16 nengard it's certainly one of mine
19:16 wizzyrea mine too :)
19:16 nengard i've actually added a slide to my koha talks about it
19:16 schuster You know you are popular when???
19:17 owen Someone needs to let Bugzilla's quips list know: "Depending on the situation, it might be written "koha" or "Koha" or maybe even "KOHA". Writing "kOha" just means you got the shifting out of sync, though."
19:17 wizzyrea haha
19:17 wizzyrea @quote random
19:17 munin wizzyrea: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
19:18 wizzyrea @quote add Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word.
19:18 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #93 added.
19:18 wizzyrea @quote get 93
19:18 munin wizzyrea: Quote #93: "Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word." (added by wizzyrea at 03:20 PM, September 09, 2010)
19:18 chris Ok time to pack up and start driving to auckland
19:19 chris Then fly home
19:19 wizzyrea there, now we can just @quote get 93 and be done with it
19:19 chris Cyas later
19:19 owen Have a good one chris
19:19 wizzyrea later chris save travels
19:19 wizzyrea safe*
19:19 schuster We have an all division meeting at 3:30 so about 300 of your closest employee friends in administration.
19:19 schuster I'll be leaving soon to get a parking spot!
19:20 briceSanc We have 20 libraries to host, the smallest with 13 simultaneous users and 200,000 records and the biggest with 150 users and 300,000 records. We've thought of 5 servers (5 * 4 Koha) - 2 x Quad core - 16Gb of RAM - 500GB / Koha - all powered with KVM or XEN. We just have lack of precision, so we ask you to help make the right choices.
19:22 briceSanc owen, schuster, Ok for Koha :)
19:23 cait @whois briceSanc
19:23 munin cait: Error: <domain> must be in .com, .net, .edu, or .org.
19:23 cait *sigh*
19:23 cait where are you located briceSanc?
19:23 wizzyrea cait: /whois briceSanc
19:23 briceSanc Qu�bec (QC), Canada
19:23 cait yep
19:24 cait ah :)
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19:48 reva Hi anyone (jcamin, owen, or chris_n, wizzyrea or Braedon): where is the opac serial issue display count? I have 3.00.06.
19:49 cait I think there is a sys pref perhaps in 3.00.6
19:49 reva I do not find it "serials" under system preferences at all as the 3.0 manual says.
19:49 cait not sure there is one in the subscription in this version
19:50 reva ok, cait: I do not find serials on the left panel among the menu choices. May be it is not available for 3.0.6.
19:51 cait sorry, I have no 3.0.x to look at
19:51 cait ah, I send a patch to show publication place
19:51 owen What are you trying to see reva?
19:51 cait last week? not sure. but I promised you I would :)
19:52 reva cait: I want to control the number itmized serial holdings on the opac.
19:52 reva I was just going to remind you of the patch. Thanks cait:
19:53 reva my email is
19:53 cait I send it to the patches list, let me get the link for you
19:54 reva ok, that would be great.
19:54 cait http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ugust/012495.html
19:54 cait bug 5187
19:54 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5187 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Show place of publication (260$a) in OPAC/Staff
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19:55 cait hope it's what you wanted, a real small change
19:57 reva ok got it. I will look over it and see if I understand what it is doing before plunging in. But that is what I wanted.
19:57 cait cool :)
19:58 reva ok, it looks like there is no way to control the number of items displayed on the serial holdings. Thanks Cait:
19:58 cait you can control the number of issues shown in the opac for subscriptions in 3.2
20:00 reva That is issue (no pun with serials) for another time, when the beta stable is released for 3.2 and we install it.
20:03 reva Bye for now. Are all of you from NZ? I hope people in Christchurch are getting the help they need. We have aquaintances who live there.
20:04 cait reva: I am from Germany
20:04 wizzyrea < Kansas, US
20:04 cait we are very international here .)
20:06 reva Oh, I thought maybe there were some people from NZ. But best from here, the Caribbean. Thanks for all the help.:)
20:06 cait there are
20:06 cait but not only :)
20:07 wizzyrea the kiwis are still getting to work ;)
20:07 wizzyrea it's tomorrow there.
20:08 reva That is right, and here we get to go home for the evening today.
20:09 * cait is already at home and near bed time :)
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20:10 reva Ok, you kind of win cait: But there is something to be said for looking forward than to experiencing the evening at home. There:). Bye for now.
20:11 cait bye :)
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20:17 briceSanc bye all !
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20:18 cait good night :)
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20:39 richard hi
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21:42 chris Hi from bucklame airport
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21:43 richard bucklame?
21:43 chris Auckland
21:43 richard :)
21:44 chris The old nokia phones predictive text used to convert it to that
21:44 chris Quite apt
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22:08 robin I always like "Funedin"
22:09 brendan @wunder 93117
22:09 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.5�C (3:07 PM PDT on September 09, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling).
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22:21 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 17.1�C (5:23 PM CDT on September 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Rising).
22:21 brendan hi moodaepo
22:21 * moodaepo ah what a difference a single space makes
22:21 moodaepo hey brendan
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