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jcamins |
Does anyone know if Koha require Apache 2? |
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chris |
nope it doesnt |
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chris |
but you are pretty hard pressed to find a machine running 1.3 anymore .. and i cant think of any good reason to do so :) |
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jcamins |
The server space is free? |
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chris |
thats almost good enough ;) |
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jcamins |
Hm. Any idea what the "Test" Perl dependency is? FreeBSD has Test split up into a gazillion different packages. |
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chris |
mostly Test::More |
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Amit |
heya chris, brendan |
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chris |
hiya Amit |
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Genji |
hiya. whats a good guide on installation of koha on centos 5? |
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Amit |
heya genji |
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Genji |
anyone installed koha on centos here? or know a very good centos guide? |
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brendan |
heya amit |
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Amit |
heya genji i have already installed |
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Genji |
you used a guide? which? |
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Genji |
or you have a screen log? |
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hi #koha |
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chris |
evening |
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paul |
hi chris & al |
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paul |
kernel panic on our hosting server... not a fun start of the day :((( |
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chris |
yikes |
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chris |
yeah thats never fun |
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chris |
came back ok after a reboot? |
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paul |
chris, yep, fortunately |
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chris |
phew, lucky for small mercies |
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chris |
paul: i follow jonah lomu on twitter, he starts tweeting the same time you wake up (since he is in marseille too) its quite interesting :) |
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chris |
http://tweetphoto.com/29948817 <-- breakfast .. it looks good :) |
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* paul |
don't know what it is... |
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chris |
looks like a blueberry pancake? |
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custard |
when does the log directory get created in the install process? |
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chris |
when you do make install |
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custard |
and on a deb install does it make them owned by root? (so far I've only played around in ubuntu) |
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chris |
installing from the debian packages? or installing from git, or installing from the tarball? |
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larsw |
if I remember correctly, the koha-create script in the koha-common .deb package creates a log directory owned by root, but I could be wrong |
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chris |
morning nengard |
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nengard |
morning all |
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custard |
in this particular instance from the debs. |
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custard |
just noticing (being a bit slow here) that the zebra scripts didn't like it. |
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kf |
hi #koha |
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jwagner |
Guten tag kf |
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kf |
Guten Tag jwagner :) |
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kf |
hi druthb :) |
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druthb |
hi, kf?! |
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kf |
yes? |
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* druthb |
has fumbly fingers today. |
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kf |
ah :) |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.3�C (1:42 PM CEST on June 30, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady). |
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druthb |
@wunder 20817 |
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munin |
druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 17.8�C (7:43 AM EDT on June 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Rising). |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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chris |
hi kf, jwagner druthb and gmcharlt |
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druthb |
g'mornin, gmcharlt and chris. :) |
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kf |
hi chris |
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jwagner |
Morning, all |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.6�C (1:58 PM CEST on June 30, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady). |
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owen |
Hi #koha |
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kf |
hi owen |
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* owen |
always forgets a VirtualBox upgrade will disconnect him... |
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custard |
If I spot a couple of bad links on the koha-community.org pages, should I attempt to register and fix it or leave it to someone that knows what they're doing? |
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druthb |
owens to spare! |
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owen__ |
and casting increasingly long shadows |
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druthb |
:) |
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chris |
custard: either is fine :) |
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druthb |
...and then there was one. |
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owen |
@wunder 45701 |
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munin |
owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 17.8�C (8:35 AM EDT on June 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Rising). |
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owen |
Oh yeah. |
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jcamins |
Good morning, #koha |
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kf |
hi jacamins |
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kf |
hi jcamins |
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* chris |
listens intently to see if its safe to go to sleep yet, poor atarau has got bad reflux tonight and isnt having a fun time, but its been 10 mins since i last heard a cry, ill give it 10 more then crash |
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Genji |
hiya! ive got a report of a strange problem... searching for more than one word, in koha 3.06, doesn't work.. no result. |
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hdl |
Genji: mmm incredible |
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Genji |
incredible? |
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Genji |
oh.. this is arabic by the way... |
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chris |
is it real 3.0.6, using zebra .. or is it your hacked upon and semi upgraded hybrid thingy? |
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Genji |
real 3.0.6, using zebra, some config in zebra has been modified. |
| 13:39 |
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chris |
must be something specific to the arabic set up, multiple words certainly works in english, and im sure in french too |
| 13:39 |
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kf |
has the item display in staff changed? I see date last seen and publication details columns? |
| 13:40 |
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kf |
Genji: do you use ICU for indexing? |
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Genji |
yeah.. icuchain is used.. |
| 13:40 |
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Genji |
cause some transliteration needs to be done.. |
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kf |
we have hebrew and icu - I made a quick test, works fine in our 3.1.61 |
| 13:45 |
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kf |
owen: any ideas about my item display problem? showing date last seen and publication details (no content) and no public notes in staff. |
| 13:46 |
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owen |
kf: Non-xslt display? |
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kf |
hm xslt is on, give me a minute |
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kf |
no change |
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kf |
i think opac notes should be there and Im a bit confused abut the publication details |
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owen |
I'll bet you're looking at a record which is part of a series |
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kf |
hm I think you are right |
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owen |
a 440 tag? |
| 13:48 |
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kf |
yes |
| 13:49 |
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owen |
I submitted a bug fix for this problem in the OPAC. Koha thinks the record is a serial (which it is confusing with series) |
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kf |
ah |
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kf |
so its a bug in staff? |
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owen |
Yes, definitely |
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kf |
the item table is also a bit broken, some lines missing |
| 13:50 |
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kf |
I retested bug 3333 |
| 13:50 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3333 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, item status for "not for loan" by item type / item is different |
| 13:50 |
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kf |
I think the first bug I filed |
| 13:50 |
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kf |
there is a difference in status between opac and staff too... |
| 13:51 |
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kf |
I will file a bug then, is there a bug for the opac part? |
| 13:53 |
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owen |
Bug 2375 |
| 13:53 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2375 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Serials holdings data does not display in opac-detail |
| 13:53 |
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kf |
thx owen! owen++ |
| 13:54 |
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owen |
I wasn't aware of Bug 3333. I'll see if I can look at that one too |
| 13:55 |
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Genji |
something wrong with this lookup? |
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Genji |
[log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)e\x01\xB0\x01\xFFf\x01\x1D\x01\x03e2\x01\xFFf\).* |
| 13:55 |
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* owen |
is trying to wrap up an additional fix for Bug 3459 |
| 13:55 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3459 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, topissues doesn't take care of ccode. |
| 13:56 |
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kf |
owen: I m updating bug 3333 now with current screenshots and koha version number ;) |
| 13:56 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3333 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, item status for "not for loan" by item type / item is different |
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* owen |
always thinks of this joke when we shout out bug numbers: http://jokesareawesome.com/jok[…]n_for_the_first_t... |
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druthb |
lol |
| 14:06 |
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kf |
lol |
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kf |
no note fields shown in item display - how severe is that? |
| 14:18 |
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kf |
bug 4922 |
| 14:18 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4922 major, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Wrong item display in staff (wrong columns, no notes) |
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kf |
nengard++ |
| 14:53 |
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kf |
for moving language sys prefs :) |
| 14:54 |
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nengard |
:) |
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nengard |
i like finding bugs I can fix :) |
| 14:55 |
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kf |
:) |
| 14:56 |
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kf |
nengard: testing amazon features now - did you solve the problem? |
| 14:57 |
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nengard |
nope |
| 14:57 |
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kf |
cant find a title with reviews right now, but I think its the data |
| 14:57 |
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nengard |
and someone else found the same issue as me |
| 14:57 |
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nengard |
i even tried owen's IDs and it works for him - so it's not an ID issue |
| 14:57 |
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kf |
yes, that was me ;) |
| 14:57 |
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nengard |
no not you - someone else |
| 14:57 |
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kf |
I work with the same IDs we use in our production environments |
| 14:57 |
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kf |
ah |
| 14:57 |
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kf |
so we are three |
| 14:57 |
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nengard |
yes - at least |
| 14:57 |
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kf |
I dont like errors like that |
| 15:00 |
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kf |
http://spedr.com/3jnvh - has reviews on amazon.com and .de and I see no reviews :( |
| 15:03 |
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hdl |
Is the ISBN cleaned before beeing sent ? |
| 15:03 |
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hdl |
Do you have hyphens in you ISBN data ? |
| 15:04 |
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kf |
HAH |
| 15:04 |
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kf |
I found it |
| 15:04 |
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kf |
sorry hdl :) |
| 15:05 |
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kf |
I saw an error message in the error log, copied url to browser, got timeout message: corrected date on my virtual box and now the reviews show :) |
| 15:06 |
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kf |
the only problem I see is that it shows <br /> tags in the review text |
| 15:07 |
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kf |
and I have Title notes too :) |
| 15:08 |
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kf |
nengard: is the date/time in your test installation correct? |
| 15:09 |
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nengard |
how so? on the server? |
| 15:09 |
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kf |
yes |
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kf |
but I still dont see reviews in staff... |
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| 15:11 |
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nengard |
kf i think my time is wrong on the server |
| 15:11 |
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nengard |
you think that's causing the problem?? |
| 15:12 |
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kf |
it seems the request links to amazon have a date/time coded into them and when your date is too old it does not work |
| 15:12 |
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nengard |
yeah my server says: Tue Jun 29 18:34:59 EDT 2010 |
| 15:12 |
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nengard |
trying to figure out how to set it now |
| 15:12 |
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kf |
I reset the date with date -s "2010-06-30 17:21" |
| 15:15 |
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nengard |
if that was it i'm going to be so upset!! :) |
| 15:15 |
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nengard |
trying it now |
| 15:16 |
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nengard |
OH MY GOODNESS!!! That did it!!! |
| 15:16 |
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nengard |
kf do you want to write up a short tip for the newsletter?? |
| 15:16 |
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owen |
Jeepers, you kids solved the mystery! |
| 15:17 |
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kf |
kids? :) |
| 15:17 |
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nengard |
kf did it - not me |
| 15:17 |
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nengard |
kf++ |
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kf |
yay :) |
| 15:17 |
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owen |
You know, Scooby Doo kids ;) |
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nengard |
never saw scooby doo |
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jcamins |
That explains why the Amazon stuff never worked for us. |
| 15:18 |
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owen |
nengard: I'd say that's unpossible, but I never saw the Partridge Family somehow |
| 15:18 |
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nengard |
hehe |
| 15:18 |
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kf |
ok, covers: staff and opac ok, reviews: only opac, title notes: staff and opac ok, similar items: still searching for a working example |
| 15:18 |
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nengard |
i'm adding an faw to the manual |
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kf |
thx nengard |
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nengard |
and kf should write for the newsletter |
| 15:19 |
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kf |
I always got bad grades on my english essays... |
| 15:19 |
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nengard |
and faw = faq |
| 15:19 |
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nengard |
kf i'll edit it :) |
| 15:19 |
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kf |
ok, when do you need it? |
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pianohack |
nengard: If you were using a _dvorak_ keyboard, you would be making different, more interesting typos |
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owen |
Now there's an argument for dvorak I hadn't heard before |
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jcamins |
Our assistant director is going to be thrilled. |
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pianohack |
also, you can spend hours on the internet boring people to death with talk of error rates and efficiency |
| 15:22 |
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jcamins |
(about the Amazon thing) |
| 15:22 |
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pianohack |
remember, there's only one thing worse than dvorak |
| 15:22 |
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jcamins |
kf++ |
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pianohack |
people - colemak people |
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kf |
@karma kf |
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munin |
kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18. |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
cant find similar items... imported a lot of dan browns |
| 15:25 |
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kf |
nicole: when is the death line for the newsletter? |
| 15:25 |
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kf |
ah, nengard:... |
| 15:25 |
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nengard |
the 12th |
| 15:26 |
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nengard |
in you own timezone ;) |
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kf |
ah great |
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kf |
ok, time to leave and walk home - bye all |
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nengard |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]tion/faq/opac/#23 |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add <pianohack> nengard: If you were using a _dvorak_ keyboard, you would be making different, more interesting typos |
| 15:39 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #82 added. |
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owen |
Hi gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
hi owen |
| 15:43 |
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owen |
gmcharlt: I have a git question for you. What does it mean to "sign off" on a patch? |
| 15:43 |
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gmcharlt |
owen: signing off = giving your stamp of approval on the patch |
| 15:44 |
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gmcharlt |
e.g., dev A makes a patch, passes it on to dev B at the same organization, who tests and signs off on it |
| 15:44 |
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gmcharlt |
and that could apply to any number of people in the chain, up to and including the RM |
| 15:45 |
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gmcharlt |
some projects have a convention of having the original author add their personal sign-off as well |
| 15:45 |
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gmcharlt |
"I made it, and it is good, or at least not-bad" |
| 15:45 |
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owen |
That seems redundant |
| 15:45 |
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gmcharlt |
in some cases, it signfiies a bit more |
| 15:46 |
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gmcharlt |
e.g., http://linux.yyz.us/patch-format.html |
| 15:46 |
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gmcharlt |
where the original author sign-off is also an assertion that the author has the right to submit the patch in the first place |
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jwagner is now known as jwag_mtg |
| 15:48 |
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gmcharlt |
more history http://kerneltrap.org/node/3929 |
| 15:48 |
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owen |
Do you see a benefit in using this process in Koha's case? Or would we need a more formal QA chain of command? |
| 15:49 |
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gmcharlt |
well, git makes it easy to manage patch review |
| 15:49 |
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gmcharlt |
and since 3.4 will have a QA manager |
| 15:49 |
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gmcharlt |
have a requirement that patches must have sign-offs by QA and RM is easy - that's what was done in 3.0 |
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gmcharlt |
what would extend this process, and improve, would be (say) a requirement that a non-trivial patch have at least one non-author signoff before it is submitted |
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gmcharlt |
then would go through QA and RM |
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owen |
So if I had a non-trivial patch I would ask someone else to take a look at it before it got sent? |
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gmcharlt |
right |
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hdl |
when process is to use branches as development goes on and then merge the branch once it is stable, the sign-off is not handy since you have to reprocess each commit to sign off commits |
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hdl |
But that is another workflow |
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gmcharlt |
right, although adding sign-offs can be automated in that case |
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gmcharlt |
another approach, which I've done at times, is to sign-off on the merge commit |
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* druthb |
waves to schuster |
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schuster |
Hey all... Trying to catch up again before I'm off for a week of vacation... Just dropping in. |
| 16:04 |
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gmcharlt |
hi schuster |
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schuster |
It was great to see many of you at ALA... Thanks for the ideas and suggestions at KUDOS |
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schuster |
When Vicki gets back and settled in we will get the minutes posted from the meeting. I want to thank PTFS and ByWater again for hosting and providing refreshments. |
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schuster |
For those of you interested I did get a note back from John Brice that the paperwork has been "adjusted" and be resubmitted by the end of July for the 501c3 KUDOS application. |
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gmcharlt |
cool |
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owen |
Thanks schuster, I'm looking forward to reading the minutes. |
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cait |
hi again :) |
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druthb |
hi, cait! :) |
| 16:20 |
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cait |
hi druthb :) |
| 16:20 |
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owen |
Hi cait, I have a question about Bug 4922 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4922 major, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Wrong item display in staff (wrong columns, no notes) |
| 16:21 |
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cait |
oh, sorry |
| 16:21 |
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cait |
for not being clear on bug 3333.... |
| 16:21 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3333 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, item status for "not for loan" by item type / item is different |
| 16:21 |
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cait |
whats your question? |
| 16:21 |
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owen |
Do other kinds of records show your notes? |
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owen |
It looks to me like that is a separate issue |
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cait |
cant check this installation now, because its on my computer at work |
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cait |
from 440? |
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owen |
Yes. I don't see notes displayed for non-440-tagged records either |
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cait |
I think you are right |
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owen |
(in the staff client) |
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cait |
and it did not show up after I deleted 440 |
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cait |
opac is fine and the database entries seemed ok too |
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owen |
What I found is that detail.pl tells the template to display the "publication details" column if '$itemfields{enumchron} || $dat->{'serial'} ,' |
| 16:24 |
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cait |
does this make sense? |
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cait |
what is shown in publication details, more than enumchron? |
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owen |
I'm going to suggest taking out the '|| $dat->{'serial'}' because actual serial records have their information displayed under a subscriptions tab |
| 16:25 |
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cait |
this will still work when enumchron is filled? |
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owen |
Yes |
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cait |
because we have serials with items and enumchron :) |
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owen |
With an actual serial record, a different column is shown in the holdings table: "Copy No." |
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cait |
hm |
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owen |
In my test, this column shows information like "Vol 5, No 13, Issue 1" |
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owen |
Would a serial record *also* have enumchron information attached to the item record? |
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cait |
ok, Im a bit confused now :) |
| 16:26 |
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cait |
yes |
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cait |
ours have |
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cait |
we put the information Vol 5, No 13, Issue 1" in enumchron |
| 16:27 |
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cait |
and copynumber is for when you have the same item more than once |
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owen |
cait: Are you talking about true Koha-managed subscriptions? |
| 16:27 |
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cait |
about items and serials |
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cait |
our library does not use serials yet, but we have items at the serial records (they can be checked out and have rfid tags) |
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cait |
as far as I understood serials with items will fill enumchron with the information later |
| 16:28 |
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cait |
not copy |
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owen |
My example Koha-managed subscription creates item records with the Volume/Number information in Copy Number |
| 16:29 |
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owen |
Should that be getting put in h - Serial Enumeration / chronology instead? |
| 16:30 |
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owen |
gmcharlt do you know anything about this? |
| 16:30 |
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cait |
I think there was a patch somewhere |
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gmcharlt |
owen: it should be going into enumchorn |
| 16:32 |
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owen |
Okay then... new bug |
| 16:32 |
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cait |
sometimes its like this.. finding new bugs everywhere :( |
| 16:33 |
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owen |
Is information like "Vol 5, No 13, Issue 1" properly given the heading "Publication details" ? |
| 16:34 |
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cait |
we use something like volume/issue |
| 16:35 |
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cait |
perhaps ask a native speaker :) |
| 16:36 |
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owen |
Right now enumchron for standard records is displaying under the heading "Publication details" and volume/issue information on serial records is displaying under the heading "Copy no." |
| 16:37 |
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owen |
I wonder if "Publication details" is the appropriate heading in both cases |
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* gmcharlt |
is a native speaker, but is afriad that his suggestions of "Enumeration/Chronology" is probably too much library-speak |
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cait |
I can translate it to whatever I want ;) |
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cait |
owen: the copy thing sounds strange to me... |
| 16:42 |
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owen |
Which thing? |
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cait |
the old manual states: Copy number for items that have the same location and call number. |
| 16:43 |
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cait |
I always thought its for cases where you have more than one item, but can only distinguish them by copynumber |
| 16:43 |
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cait |
not not only for volumes |
| 16:44 |
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owen |
Right, you should be able to show copy number and volume numbers in separate columns |
| 16:44 |
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owen |
You could have more than one copy of the same Volume X |
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cait |
thats an example from our catalog, with enumchron: https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin[…]biblionumber=6358 |
| 16:45 |
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cait |
the column heading iss vol info - its shorter than publication details, but better? |
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owen |
I like "Vol. info" unless someone is going to complain that "volume" is incorrect for serials which use "number" |
| 16:49 |
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cait |
use enumchron for serials and volume information and copy number for c. 1, c. 3...? |
| 16:49 |
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owen |
That sounds right |
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* owen |
notices the "Text for OPAC" field controlled by marc_subfields_structure.pl doesn't actually display in the OPAC. |
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owen |
Oh wait, maybe I'm in the wrong framework |
| 16:53 |
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owen |
Okay, yeah, wrong framework. |
| 16:54 |
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owen |
Bug 4923 |
| 16:54 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4923 major, P5, ---, colin.campbell, NEW, Serial volume/number/issue information should be stored in Serial Enumeration / chronology |
| 16:58 |
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cait |
owen: Im quite sure I saw a patch for that somewhere and another bug |
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cait |
cant find it now :( |
| 17:02 |
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owen |
The only reference I can find to enumeration is in a fixed bug: Bug 3380 |
| 17:02 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3380 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Serial enumeration / chronology should display in opac holds interface. |
| 17:04 |
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cait |
I know that one :) |
| 17:05 |
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cait |
will search a bit, perhaps I can find it |
| 17:26 |
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cait |
bug 3899 |
| 17:26 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3899 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Receive Serial Item Has Copy Info in Wrong Field |
| 17:28 |
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cait |
owen: found it |
| 17:29 |
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owen |
Hmm... Marked as fixed? |
| 17:30 |
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nengard |
it was |
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nengard |
maybe it has reappeared |
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cait |
owen: will you look at item notes too or want me to file a separate bug for that? |
| 17:31 |
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owen |
There really ought to be a separate bug for it |
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owen |
I'm not going to submit a patch for both issues at once |
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jwag_mtg is now known as jwagner |
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cait |
ok, will write a new bug |
| 17:36 |
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cait |
you make me work hard today owen :) |
| 17:36 |
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* owen |
cracks the whip |
| 17:37 |
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owen |
Thanks for your efforts cait, I appreciate it! |
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cait |
:) |
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druthb |
cait++ |
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cait |
owen: assign bug to you? |
| 17:46 |
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owen |
Sure, I'll give it a shot |
| 17:47 |
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cait |
bug 4924 |
| 17:47 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4924 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Public/Internal notes missing in staff normal view |
| 17:51 |
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owen |
It looks like biblio.serial gets set as 1 for any biblio with a series tag? |
| 17:52 |
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jcamins |
That explains all the monographis in our database with biblio.serial=1. |
| 17:52 |
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owen |
Hm... Koha to MARC mapping says biblio.serial is mapped to 942s, "Serial record flag" |
| 17:56 |
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owen |
I don't get it |
| 18:09 |
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owen |
Oh great, and on a record which has an actual subscription attached to it biblio.serial is NULL |
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* cait |
sends owen some chocolate |
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cait |
@quote random |
| 18:11 |
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munin |
cait: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:58 AM, July 10, 2009) |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
munin: I was thinking about the one with the zillion ants |
| 18:12 |
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munin |
cait: Error: "I" is not a valid command. |
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jcamins |
owen: Do I remember correctly that you submitted a patch that fixed the XSLT stylesheets so that when you clicked on a subject, the link would search for the entire subject, and not just the main entry? |
| 18:13 |
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owen |
I remember looking at it, but I don't think I came up with a solution |
| 18:14 |
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jwagner |
collum came up with a partial solution for that -- I poked at it some, and so did he, but we didn't finish it. |
| 18:14 |
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jcamins |
Ah. Thanks. Any idea how I might find that bug in bugzilla? |
| 18:15 |
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jwagner |
Bug 4276 (had to go look for it) |
| 18:15 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, "Related subjects" search is OPAC doesn't work with chained subject terms |
| 18:15 |
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jcamins |
Thank you. |
| 18:31 |
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owen |
I'm thinking Liblime ought to change the theme of their public demo given the news that http://www.hclibrary.org/ just went live on Polaris |
| 18:32 |
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owen |
http://public.demo.kohalibrary.com/ |
| 18:36 |
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cait |
ooh |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
and they kept the design... |
| 18:38 |
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wizzyrea |
oh dear |
| 18:39 |
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nengard |
such a sad story :( was so proud of HC for going all OSS |
| 18:40 |
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druthb |
Amy still grieves over that a little, I think. |
| 18:41 |
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wizzyrea |
is it a total windows shop now? |
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nengard |
total proprietary shop |
| 18:41 |
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nengard |
not sure what kinds |
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wizzyrea |
I know their public access machines were all OSS at one point |
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wizzyrea |
groovix |
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wizzyrea |
is what they were using |
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nengard |
yup |
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nengard |
i remember |
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wizzyrea |
did they give that up? |
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nengard |
think so |
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wizzyrea |
ew |
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nengard |
that was my impression |
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nengard |
new director |
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wizzyrea |
we had amy at our tech day a couple of years ago talking about their OSS setup |
| 18:46 |
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wizzyrea |
I think we're thinking of doing something similar with Mint, actually. |
| 18:48 |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, there's deepfreeze for linux now |
| 19:01 |
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jwagner |
I'm trying to catch up on some of the very old things on my list (I can actually see portions of my desktop now!). Working on Bug 3782 -- I tried changing the z39.50 setup for NYU as jcamins had it in the bug report, but when I send a search, it produces an error: |
| 19:01 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3782 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, delivered z39.50 targets wrong for NY Public Library and NY University Library |
| 19:01 |
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jwagner |
Wide character in null operation at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96. |
| 19:01 |
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jwagner |
Any idea what that one is about? |
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jcamins |
That's strange. I'll try searching NYU, just to make sure that it hasn't broken recently or something. |
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jwagner |
I've never seen that kind of Perl error with a z39.50, and others are working OK. |
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jwagner |
While I'm at it, would there be any objection if I removed Smithsonian from the delivered set of z39.50 targets? It seems to be of limited use as a resource, and I spent quite a long time working with them on search problems. With their server config, only raw (keyword) and author searches will work |
| 19:13 |
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jwagner |
Everything else fails because it wants specific use attributes which Koha can't send |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: no objection from me |
| 19:17 |
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jwagner |
I think I'll do that as a separate bug entry, just to avoid muddying the waters on the original problem. |
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| 19:18 |
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owen |
Is it just me or does "misc/sax_parser_print.pl" always say "looks bad" during a new Koha install? |
| 19:20 |
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chris |
what version owen |
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owen |
Sorry--what version of what? |
| 19:21 |
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chris |
koha |
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chris |
head? |
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* owen |
is trying an install of 3.0.x |
| 19:21 |
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chris |
and yeah it will |
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chris |
theres i a patch out there for it, that has been reformatted a few times, to tell koha to explicitly use the right sax parser, rather than making ppl edit the parserdetails.ini file |
| 19:23 |
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owen |
I seem to recall something about moving the contents of parserdetails.ini around? |
| 19:25 |
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chris |
yeah thats it |
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jwagner |
jcamins, I have to head out in a few minutes -- I updated the bug report with the error message so as not to lose it. |
| 19:32 |
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cait |
tired, bye all |
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| 19:39 |
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owen |
When trying "force intsall DVD::mysql" I get errors about "Can't exec "mysql_config"" |
| 19:43 |
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wizzyrea |
do you mean DBD::mysql? |
| 19:43 |
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chris |
hmm why not install the debian package? |
| 19:43 |
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chris |
sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl |
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chris |
ok bus time |
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* owen |
is following the instructions in the INSTALL.ubuntu file |
| 19:44 |
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owen |
...since that's what a new Koha user would do |
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owen |
So "force install DBD::mysql" installs the same thing as "sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl" ? |
| 19:47 |
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owen |
If so, the instructions are incorrect |
| 19:49 |
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owen |
Warning: prerequisite HTTP::OAI 3.2 not found. |
| 19:49 |
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owen |
Warning: prerequisite XML::SAX::Writer 0.44 not found. |
| 19:56 |
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chris |
Yes |
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wizzyrea |
we should probably update the instructions to point to the debian/ubuntu packages |
| 19:57 |
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chris |
Patching the file would be good too |
| 19:57 |
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wizzyrea |
b/c most people would leap straight to cpan |
| 19:57 |
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chris |
Yeah cpan should be las resort |
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chris |
T |
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chris |
Those ones are debian squeeze not sure about ubuntu |
| 19:59 |
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chris |
Gah can't type on phone today |
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owen |
ubuntu.packages already lists libdbd-mysql-perl, so it that's all that is required, the whole section on using cpan to install DBD::mysql could be removed |
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chris |
Yes |
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* owen |
had better not get into configuring zebra in the last 2 minutes of his work day |
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richard |
hi |
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chris |
back |
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slef |
hi all |
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gmcharlt |
hi slef |
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wizzyrea |
oh hi slef |
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chris |
hi slef |
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chris |
george oates says she is a definite maybe for speaker ... you are a definite definite eh slef? |
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slef |
I will be in a few minutes. |
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slef |
Just arranging flights. |
| 20:32 |
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slef |
Which brings me to something I'm sure I asked before - which days is the hackfest? |
| 20:32 |
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chris |
sweet :) |
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chris |
monday tuesday wednesday (25, 26, 27) are conference proper |
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slef |
that much I got |
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chris |
28th is morning off, afternoon trip to levin for mayoral reception and dinner at a marae |
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chris |
plus visiting HLT of course |
| 20:34 |
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chris |
friday, sat, sun, mon |
| 20:34 |
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chris |
are developer conference |
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slef |
4 days! |
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chris |
thats the plan, we'll try to cover all the important stuff the first 2 |
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chris |
then those that want to can head off |
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slef |
I'm being persuaded to visit the south island... ok, sounds good |
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slef |
bbl after booked |
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* slef |
starts arguing with airlines |
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chris |
yeah south island is pretty |
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slef |
oh... and someone mentioned to me that NZ is a small country... not compared to England, it's not. It's about twice the size. |
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chris |
yeah |
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chris |
if you squish it up, its the size of colorado |
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chris |
but with 4 million ppl in it |
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chris |
slef: are you doing the road trip? |
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slef |
chris: yes, deposit sent |
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chris |
awesome |
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chris |
what day does that get you into wellington? |
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slef |
I've mislaid my credit card :-/ |
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slef |
Sunday isn't it? Look on the website, as my notes are downstairs |
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chris |
righto |
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slef |
found my flexible friend... time to stress-test it |
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slef |
bbl |
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chris |
slef: http://www.mcfr.org.nz/default.asp?PageID=9593 |
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chris |
or |
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chris |
http://www.tdwv.getshopped.com/ |
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chris |
both very close to wellington :) |
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richard is now known as rich-away |
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slef |
Heh. Thanks. I think I'll take it a bit more leisurely while there. |
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chris |
:) |
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slef |
hrm, no eticket for my flight yet. Will email details in the morning if it's arrived. |
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slef |
(8-9 hours from now) |
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chris |
cool |
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chris |
sleep well |
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slef |
byeee |
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rich-away is now known as richard |
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Genji |
hiya! |
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Genji |
whats the best centos install guide? |
