IRC log for #koha, 2010-02-11

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00:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (3:58 PM PST on February 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
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01:18 braedon|work chris_n: are you around?
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02:06 Jo Chris N - are you about
02:06 Jo need help with labelmaker
02:07 braedon|work hey, i'm in line firsT!
02:07 Jo elbows raedon out of the way with my big bum ;)
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02:10 braedon|work what is your problem with the labelmaker?
02:10 Jo have a phonecall which i need help with
02:11 Jo Mapua library - wanting to generate and print out barcode labels  from
02:11 Jo and its not working
02:13 Jo right, well then I shall sit patiently and wait in line - behind Braedon - for Chris-N to come cak
02:13 Jo back (even)
02:16 braedon|work haha, no no, go ahead of me
02:16 braedon|work i hacked around mine anyway
02:16 braedon|work it is more of a bug report than an ask for help
02:18 braedon|work the scaling and positioning of barcodes in the patron card creator(and probably in other labels that use barcodes) is rather broken if the number is too small. So i added a million to each number - thankfully the library is still at a stage where it can do that
02:29 Jo this is a small volunteer library in mapua (nelson - NZ) lloking for help.
02:30 Jo way beyond my skillset unfortunately
02:34 braedon|work what are the details of the problem? I may possibly be able to be of some assistance (but probably not)
02:36 * masonj waves from kapiti
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02:50 Jo braedon: they need to generate and print out a sheet of barcode labels to stick on books.
02:51 Jo starting from a completely manual system
02:51 Jo they have the system up and running - z39.50 working etc.
02:51 Jo can create records - but need sheets of barcodes to do the next thing (sounds easy :)
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02:56 cj tao po
02:59 braedon|work Jo what are they up to?
02:59 braedon|work what have they tried?
03:02 * chris_n wanders back in
03:02 chris_n Jo: is there any way they could upgrade to something more recent... 3.0.5 maybe?
03:03 chris_n braedon|work: scaling has been busted for a while for very low numbers
03:03 chris_n which is a good reason to go with large numbers :-)
03:04 chris_n actually scaling foo is a bit challenging with the way the PDF::Reuse barcode stuff is written
03:04 chris_n so it may stay that way for a while longer
03:04 braedon|work chris_n: i figured you would know, but thought it should bring it up jsut in case
03:05 braedon|work s/it/i/
03:05 chris_n there is actually a bug for it and someone did some work, but what works for small numbers will most likely have the opposite effect on large ones
03:05 braedon|work s/jsut/just/
03:06 chris_n Jo: we just did 7k labels with the label tool and most of them were in early versions of 3.0.x
03:07 cj is there a script/utility to migrate data from koha 2.2.3 to 3.0?
03:08 Jo hi chris_n
03:08 chris_n cj: check the scripts in misc/migration_tools/22_to_30
03:08 chris_n hey Jo, what sort of problems are they having?
03:09 Jo Chris_n : I shall ask. The other option is that they have a teeny tiny budget and could pay someone to generate a file  for them to just print off.
03:09 cj where can i find that chris_n? in my local server?
03:09 Jo I don't know exactly.... but I have the lady's email address.
03:09 chris_n cj: and also installer/data/mysql
03:09 chris_n cj: yes
03:10 Jo wondering whether it is the same problem Braedon might be having ... bet they tried to start from 1 or something like that
03:10 cj thanks chris.. ill check
03:10 chris_n it may be
03:10 chris_n the barcodes scale very large it seems when small numbers are used
03:10 chris[]=update
03:10 Jo would you be willing for me to put her in direct contact with her?
03:11 chris_n Jo: sure
03:11 Jo ok - thank you :)
03:11 gmcharlt hi chris - is will on #koha?
03:11 chris_n Jo: chris.nighswonger at
03:11 chris nope, ill tell him to get on when he gets to his desk tho
03:12 gmcharlt nothing urgent
03:12 gmcharlt just wanted to welcome him
03:13 chris_n braedon|work: the algorithm for scaling the barcodes is based on how wide the bar pattern is
03:13 braedon|work chris_n: well, there is really two issues as far as i can see. first is the positioning of the smaller barcodes, or rather all barcodes - the issue gets increasingly less pronounced as you increase the barcode size. The other is barcodes being stretched to a fixed percentage of the card, which looks rather bad and seems to cause issues with barcode scanners (for me). Wouldn't have a clue about the first from what i read of the code, but the latter sho
03:13 braedon|work uld be able to be solved by calculating an optimum width for reading instead of stretching, and then handling barcodes that have optimum widths greater than the card seperatly
03:13 chris_n roughly speaking, height is inversely proportional to width
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03:14 chris_n what flavor of barcode are you using?
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03:14 braedon|work code39. nothing else seems to work
03:14 braedon|work not that i know what the others are supposed to do... :p
03:14 chris_n I've never had a problem with code39 reading
03:15 braedon|work it was for numbers like 2
03:16 chris_n I can understand that, though
03:16 chris_n om
03:17 braedon|work om nom nom?
03:17 braedon|work (sorry, too much tf2)
03:17 chris_n hehe
03:17 chris_n bug 2409 is the one for that
03:17 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2409 normal, P3, ---,, ASSIGNED, Patron card barcode overrun on short numbers
03:17 chris_n feel free to submit any hackary you find works better with both small and large numbers
03:18 cj i'm having an error while executing this command "perl" ---> Can't locate C4/ in @INC
03:19 cj not really familiar with perl
03:19 braedon|work have you set the enviromental variables?
03:20 braedon|work something like this:
03:20 braedon|work export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
03:20 braedon|work export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
03:20 braedon|work particuarly the latter
03:20 braedon|work check with:
03:21 braedon|work echo $PERL5LIB
03:21 cj oks
03:26 braedon|work those variables are required for any Koha command line scripts to run. If you run those export commands(make sure they point to the correct places for your install, and edit if necessary) straight from a terminal, they will only apply for the current session. to "permanently" apply them, you will need to add the lines to something like /etc/environment, or the .profile file for the account that will be running scripts
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03:32 Amit good morning all
03:32 chris_n heya Amit
03:33 Amit heya chris_n
03:33 braedon|work chris_n: I can have a look, but from what i have seen of the koha source code, my perl is really not up to scratch at the moment to do anything like that. The only perl work i have done is a script to mass search z39.50 servers, that i wrote a month or so ago. I can write my own basic scripts, but don't really have the knowledge of the more advanced language features to know enough of what is going on in Koha code to make any changes, if that makes se
03:33 braedon|work nse
03:34 braedon|work i'm more of a python person :)
03:34 rhcl_home python++
03:34 chris_n np, it is on the list to do
03:35 * chris_n and snakes do not get along well ;-)
03:35 braedon|work i really should do more work with perl though
03:36 braedon|work "python" actualy refers to monty python, not the snake
03:36 braedon|work the logo is misleading :P
03:37 rhcl_home but the book "Programming Python" by O'Reilly did have a snake on the cover
03:37 * braedon|work enjoys reading the python manual for the monty python sketch references
03:37 chris http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.[…]ches-of-koha.html
03:37 rhcl_home kind of a play on words
03:37 chris_n so will Python answer "What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
03:38 braedon|work dunno, but there are at least two examples in the manual that write code that effectively reenacts that sketch
03:38 rhcl_home emacs probably has a built-in function template to answer it
03:39 braedon|work from wikipedia(must be true!): "An important goal of the Python developers is making Python fun to use. This is reflected in the origin of the name (based on the television series Monty Python's Flying Circus), in the common practice of using Monty Python references in example code, and in an occasionally playful approach to tutorials and reference materials.[22][23]  For example, the metasyntactic variables often used in Python literature are spam an
03:39 braedon|work d eggs, instead of the traditional foo  and bar."
03:40 braedon|work anywho
03:40 chris_n hmmm.... koha uses php?
03:40 * braedon|work must work!
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03:41 chris says such as
03:41 chris but no, core doesnt
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03:42 Drew hi
03:42 rhcl_home Hi
03:42 Drew anyone up for a question?
03:44 rhcl_home just ask, if someone knows they'll answer. a lot of the regulars aren't active on right now though
03:44 Drew I am trying to print labels and the batch select by date does not seem to work
03:44 Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Ask, no need to ask to ask
03:44 * chris_n runs away
03:45 chris_n Drew: I just noticed that as well
03:45 braedon|working actually, i found that too
03:45 * chris_n was under the impression that that had been fixed
03:45 * braedon|working will check
03:45 Drew thanks
03:47 rhcl_home need to sleep...outta here til tomorrow...
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03:47 braedon|working working in git master
03:48 gmcharlt chris: will there be a DBrev for the 2188 patch series?
03:48 braedon|working and in 3.00.05
03:48 braedon|working for me
03:48 braedon|working Drew: what version, and Zebra/NoZebra?
03:48 Drew where do I look for that
03:49 braedon|working search for zebra in system preferences for Zebra
03:49 chris_n iirc it was a date formatting issue
03:49 braedon|working version... dunno. Anyone?
03:51 braedon|working chris_n: weird that it is working on 3.00.05. I'm sure it wasn't a week or so ago. Unless it was another NoZebra issue?)
03:54 Drew i opted not to use zebra as we have less than 1000 volume
03:54 braedon|working that may be the issue
03:54 braedon|working i have had nothing but problems with noZebra
03:54 Drew can i add zebra now?
03:54 braedon|working yip
03:54 Drew how would I do that
03:55 braedon|working just posted a howto to the mailinglist in response to someone else
03:55 braedon|working are you subscribed?
03:55 Drew no
03:55 braedon|working ok, i'l get you the archive, just a sec
03:56 cj what does this error mean? " DBD::mysql::db do failed: Table 'koha.bookshelf' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 63."
03:56 cj got this error while running the web installer
03:56 braedon|working Drew:[…]ruary/022563.html
03:57 braedon|working Drew: make sure to check the assorted paths used - they may well be different for you. Also, some commands are ubuntu specific
03:57 braedon|working Drew: But that is what works for me :)
03:57 Drew i am using ubuntu
03:57 braedon|working swt
03:57 braedon|working shouldn't be too much of an issue then
03:58 * braedon|working crosses fingers
03:58 Drew lol
03:58 Drew that address is not taking me anywhere
03:58 braedon|working really?
03:58 braedon|working damn
03:59 braedon|working weird - works fine for me
03:59 braedon|working what is an address i can forward the email to?
04:00 braedon|working don't really want to past it all in here...
04:00 braedon|working actually, i can try pastebin, just a sec
04:00 Drew
04:01 braedon|working forwarded it
04:01 braedon|working ...
04:01 braedon|working nope
04:01 braedon|working returned to sender
04:02 Drew my bad
04:02 Drew
04:03 braedon|working done (hopefully)
04:03 Drew got it thanks
04:03 braedon|working np
04:04 chris_n cj: you appear to be missing the bookshelf table
04:04 braedon|working time to go home
04:04 * braedon|working waves
04:04 chris_n bye
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04:06 chris_n I'll take a look at the barcode scaling again this weekend
04:06 chris_n @later tell braedon|home I'll take a look at the barcode scaling again this weekend
04:06 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
04:06 cj chris_n: there is no bookshelf table in /installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql
04:07 cj by the way i installed this version koha-3.00.04_fixed
04:09 cj actually there is more tables not seen here, koha.shelfcontents, Unknown column 'virtualshelfcontents.itemnumber',
04:09 chris_n later bookshelf is renamed to virtualshelves
04:10 chris_n so it may be that that error can safetly be ignored
04:10 chris_n cj: did you look here:[]=update
04:11 cj not yet
04:12 chris_n that deals with a lot of db errors typically encountered during such an upgrade
04:12 chris_n ok, off to find sleep
04:12 chris_n g'night #koha
04:12 cj ill try to install cpan modules listed there
04:13 cj tnx goodnight
04:16 cj i forgot to tell, all i have is the sqldump from the late koha223 database. the koha3.0 was installed in other machine..
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04:27 Jo night all.
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08:11 indradg omg! so many ops today :)
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10:54 gmcharlt greetings #koha
11:23 magnus so how did the bughunt go yesterday? i was away for most of the day...
11:24 gmcharlt magnus: pretty good - got a number of patches in and a number of bugs closed, including some blockers
11:24 magnus goody!
11:24 gmcharlt plus, courtesy of fredericd, we now have tool for translation the new syspref editor
11:45 gmcharlt weee - gets its first comment spam
11:47 gmcharlt @later tell wizzyrea is there a spam plugin installed?
11:47 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
11:58 magnus another milestone... ;-)
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12:38 jdavidb Harrrrumph!
12:40 gmcharlt speak up, I can't hear you from underneath all that snow
12:40 gmcharlt @quote add <jdavidb> Harrrrumph!
12:40 munin gmcharlt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
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12:40 gmcharlt @quote add <jdavidb> Harrrrumph!
12:40 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #55 added.
12:41 jwagner We have a jdavidb???   Hurray!!!
12:41 * jdavidb cackles maniacally.
12:41 jdavidb Theoretically, Verizon is supposed to be here today to fix my DSL.  Since the snow is up to my bedroom windows, that may or may not happen...
12:42 jdavidb @quote random
12:42 munin jdavidb: Quote #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the world .... oh good, that makes me feel better. it's just the govt" (added by jdavidb at 09:56 AM, September 09, 2009)
12:43 jwagner Having a bit of cabin fever, are we?
12:43 jdavidb This cell-phone-tether stunt is...twitchy, at best.  And yes, the cabin fever is getting a bit extreme.  I'd be willing to put up with a usual weekend tourist crush downtown right now, just to see some more humanity.
12:45 jwagner I'm pretty much of a hermit, but even I wouldn't mind seeing some other human beings.  Briefly.  Maybe.
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12:51 magnus that's what videochat is for... ;-)
12:52 magnus is now known as magnus_away
12:53 jwagner Oh, I get enough interaction online, between the IRC, email, Facebook, etc.  But the view is a little limited there....
13:09 jwagner @wunder 20740
13:09 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is -1.2�C (8:06 AM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising).
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13:10 biglego Good morning can someone tell me the process of adding a link to the tools page.  I've been playing with it with no result.
13:10 biglego as in a link on the tools page to a tool i'm working on
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13:25 Nate Morning
13:25 gmcharlt hi Nate
13:25 * owen kicks away the empty pizza boxes and soda cans littering #koha after bug-squashing day
13:25 Nate hiya gmcharlt
13:25 Nate and owen
13:26 chris_n 'morning #koha
13:26 gmcharlt biglego: edit koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en​/modules/tools/tools-home.tmpl to add it to the tools page
13:26 Nate hi chris_n
13:26 gmcharlt and koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog​/en/includes/ for the sidebar
13:26 * chris_n sweeps up the carcasses of squashed bugs
13:32 * jwagner hands gold stars and big Attaboys to all the squashers
13:35 * jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs.
13:36 gmcharlt jdavidb: speaking of which, note the patch for 2188 that chris forwarded yesterday - interacts with the MANUAL_INV hack you did a while back
13:36 owen Hey, welcome back jdavidb
13:36 gmcharlt and you're on a roll, today jdavidb
13:37 gmcharlt @quote add * jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs.
13:37 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #56 added.
13:37 jdavidb lol
13:38 jdavidb I see Chris's patch.  I'm trying to recall what-all I did, but it looks like Chris really finished up the direction that was going.
13:39 jdavidb Thnx, owen.  I've missed y'all.
13:41 jdavidb @quote random
13:41 munin jdavidb: Quote #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to koha is much harder for libraries that are already automated" (added by pianohacker at 01:57 PM, June 19, 2009)
13:41 * jdavidb pokes munin with a pointy stick, just 'cuz he's feeling ornery.
13:42 * jwagner says Everybody Duck! When jdavidb is ornery, no one is safe!!!
13:42 owen jdavidb: does your presence here mean the buses are running again or your internet is back up?
13:42 jdavidb owen:  Neither.  I've managed to tether my PC to my cell phone.  It's twitchy, but it works.
13:43 owen bummer, I was hoping it was some good news for you
13:43 owen (although getting tethering working is good news)
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13:43 gmcharlt hi schuster
13:43 jwagner G'morning schuster
13:43 jdavidb Verizon is *supposed* to be here sometime in the next eight hours to fix my DSL.  I'll believe it when I see it.
13:43 jdavidb howdy, schuster!
13:44 jwagner Hey schuster, based on gmcharlt's message about your patch -- are you working in a git branch, or did you just copy the files to a different directory?
13:49 schuster hey ...  I'm learning and attempting to deal with my vendor situation to come up with a workaround to submit the patches.
13:51 gmcharlt schuster++
13:51 jwagner I can sympathize with the learning business -- I still only know the basics of git myself.  But it looked like you might have been trying to work in a new directory off master rather than creating a git branch.
13:52 jwagner Ask jdavidb how many times I tried editing in master rather than in a branch :-(
13:53 * jdavidb was about ready to tattoo "use git status!" on the back of jwagner's hand.  But enough harrumphing and growling, and she learned.  :)
13:53 schuster The system I was doing my editing on is a test system of 3.2 that I pulled and followed the directions so either way if it was a branch or Master didn't matter to me.  I then transfered the files to a live server to make the actual git transfer, and pondered about the problems I was creating...
13:57 jwagner See, I'm luckier.  I just get to ponder about the problems I'm creating for jdavidb :-)
13:57 nengard hello from under 2 feet of snow!!!
13:58 jwagner But maybe gmcharlt or jdavib can talk you through setting up a branch on your live server, before you try copying your modified files to their proper directories to remake the patch.
13:58 jdavidb Hi, nengard.  We had another foot yesterday, on top of the two feet from the weekend.  It's drifted up as high as my bedroom windows.
13:59 jwagner Hi, nengard.  Is that 2 feet of new snow?
13:59 nengard jwagner - no - 2 feet total
13:59 nengard thank god!
13:59 jwagner We'll send you some of ours, then -- probably 3 feet or more outside right now.
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14:00 schuster jwagner and jdavidb gmcharlt - well I'm going to attempt to "trick" the git on my "old" test server and hopefully when PTFS takes over I will have a better feeling for what and how this can all get setup.
14:00 schuster Snowing in Dallas this morning we have about an inch expecting 3...
14:00 schuster @wunder 75074
14:00 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 0.7�C (7:45 AM CST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect until midnight CST tonight...
14:01 collum I'm surprised you are at work.  I remember school getting called off for less than that.
14:01 schuster Then it may freeze over night so hard to tell what time I will make it to work tomorrow!  All the kids are praying for a snow day - parents are praying for a late start. as it is supposed to be 50 tomorrow afternoon!
14:01 gmcharlt schuster: if it would help, I can reformat the patch for you
14:01 jdavidb My daughter is a happy teenager right now--no school all week.  'course, come the end of june, and she's still in school, she won't be so happy.
14:02 schuster gmcharlt - let me play a little with the test server and resubmit and see what happens ok?
14:03 gmcharlt ok, thanks
14:05 owen @wunder 45701
14:05 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is -3.9�C (8:56 AM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
14:05 owen Yay no winter storm warning.
14:06 jdavidb @wunder 20852
14:06 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -0.1�C (9:03 AM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999.5 hPa (Rising).
14:10 chris_n owen: is there a template tidy script?
14:11 owen Not that I know of.
14:11 chris_n *sigh*
14:11 owen What would you have such a script do?
14:12 chris_n fix indentation
14:12 * owen wishes it was possible to validate the templates but can't imagine how
14:13 chris_n maybe TT will have some extra goodies of those sorts
14:14 gmcharlt owen: some validation is already available
14:14 gmcharlt prove xt/author/translatable-templates.t
14:14 gmcharlt prove xt/author/valid-templates.t
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14:14 owen gmcharlt: I'm not familiar with those
14:15 owen How are they used?
14:15 gmcharlt literally as I listed them - they'll spit back a list of error messages
14:15 gmcharlt the ones in valid-templates.t are a little cryptic, alas, but that's mostly a H::T::Pro issue
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14:16 owen gmcharlt: Does each one look for any templates in directories below?
14:17 gmcharlt owen: it trawls through opac-tmpl and intranet-tmpl
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14:23 schuster ok so I've resent my patch from the test server, but due to our network it may never get anywhere do to email proxies.  If I attach the file to the bug can you pull it from there?  I know this is a pain sorry...
14:25 gmcharlt schuster: that's fine
14:25 gmcharlt you're not the only one with restrictive internet settings
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14:29 schuster I've attached the patch to Bug 2930 - let me know if you can pull it from there and work with it.
14:29 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2930 enhancement, P3, ---,, NEW, Put other name on CKO screen
14:30 schuster I have another "patch" to - that I was going to work on today and if that is how I have to do it then so be it.  Actually that patch I can send from my actual production system as it is a utility.
14:30 jdavidb schuster++
14:30 schuster My "test" system evidently doesn't have the email proxy setup so those emails go to never never land...
14:33 jwagner schuster++ -- I'm really looking forward to seeing that URL checker
14:35 schuster I've got about 16000 urls and on the test system it runs through it live in about 2 hours.
14:35 jwagner Sweet!
15:09 schuster OK Yeah...  That patch seems to have gone through correctly to patches...  giddy with excitement!!  Now my boss wants me to write something up about our commitment to opensource and giving back...  red tape...
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15:11 schuster owen here???  or still home playing with the kids watching kiddy shows?
15:12 owen Here!
15:12 schuster ah...  Finnius and Pherb...
15:12 * owen was forced to watch Santa Buddies last night and barely survived
15:12 schuster owen - did you see this post?[…]C-to27441518.html
15:12 schuster Hey - Santa buddies was really cute!  Except I have 2 westies and they bark at the other dogs on the TV...
15:13 schuster Doesn't help when you have a projector and the dogs are life sized so my dogs want to snif them but can't get close enough.
15:14 schuster owen - I'm still trying to get that kids access stuff setup...  I will find a way!!!
15:14 owen schuster: I saw that discussion but didn't pay very close attention
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15:16 * owen wonders if belongs to PTFS now
15:19 * jwagner feels compelled to remind people that NOTHING belongs to PTFS yet....
15:19 jwagner except our current stuff, of course :-)
15:20 owen Thanks jwagner of course you're right
15:21 jwagner Future tense for all speculation, please :-)
15:21 * wizzyrea wonders if will belong to PTFS in the future...
15:21 jwagner Beats the heck out of me -- I'm not familiar with the discussions....  I can ask but don't expect a quick answer.
15:22 schuster I did let certain powers that be know that LL owned that url.
15:24 Colin Unfortunately there's not much ncip on openncip
15:26 jwagner NASA-TV++ #just watched a pretty launch of an Atlas rocket with the Solar Dynamics Observatory.
15:33 owen nengard++ for Bug 4164. I was thinking the same thing yesterday
15:33 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4164 enhancement, P5, ---,, NEW, Way to Clone Keyword Mapping to other Frameworks
15:33 nengard owen - got another coming - it's related
15:35 nengard owen check bug 4166 - another thing we talked about
15:35 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4166 enhancement, P5, ---,, NEW, No way to know what keywords to use for Keyword Mapping
15:35 nengard who wrote the Keyword Mapping feature that is now under Administration?
15:36 nengard I think it was biblibre so I have assigned those enhancements to hdl - but I just want to be sure
15:37 gmcharlt yes, it was biblibre
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15:41 * jdavidb returns from Windows-Problem-Solving-Mode.
15:43 * chris_n hands jdavidb a rock to throw
15:44 jdavidb I briefly debated throwing the whole mess out into the snow, and going back to bed.
15:45 jdavidb Din't figure jwagner would appreciate that much; she's got issues I need to solve.
15:45 * jwagner grins
15:47 jdavidb So I did the reboot-until-it-works thing, and it finally did.
15:47 * jwagner asks if jdavidb can solve my snow-removal issue?
15:48 jdavidb I'd be happy to, jwagner, if enough of *mine* would be solved that I could get there to solve yours.
15:48 jwagner snake-tail-swallow-chase....
15:48 jdavidb yup.
15:49 jdavidb The apartment complex still hasn't shoveled all the walks here yet.
15:49 jwagner I'm going to venture out in an hour or so to shovel (again).  I hope the winds will have died down by then.
15:49 jdavidb It's breezy here, but the snow has stopped moving around, mostly.
15:53 schuster Texas looks better all the time... ;)
15:54 jdavidb Hmpf.  Tahiti sounds even better.  Probably have better Internet than I do right now, too.
15:57 jwagner On the noon news yesterday, the weather guy just said that during the last five winters combined, the DC area got 48 inches of snow. So far this winter we're at 50+ inches.
15:58 jwagner I wonder if I can squeeze in a March vacation to Florida for spring training....
16:03 chris_n jwagner: that's global warming for you
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16:33 moodaepo @wunder 56001
16:33 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -16.0�C (10:15 AM CST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
16:34 owen gmcharlt: Are you available for a consult?
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16:34 gmcharlt owen: what's up?
16:35 owen If you could, take a look at how subtitles are getting pulled in line 207
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16:36 owen Contrast that with the way data is pulled for display on On we're pulling biblio information via GetPendingIssues
16:38 owen I don't see how I can use the new GetRecordValue in conjunction with to display subtitles since doesn't use GetMarcBiblio
16:38 jwagner is now known as jw-shovels
16:38 * gmcharlt takes a look
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16:39 owen ...which makes me wonder if the job of pulling biblio data should be moved from GetPendingIssues and put in
16:41 gmcharlt in an abstract sense, yes
16:41 gmcharlt the reason for doing it that way in GetPendingIssues is to avoid pulling and parsing the MARC blob
16:42 * owen gets frustrated by the myriad ways the user will see titles displayed in the OPAC
16:42 gmcharlt but since the GetRecordValue stuff isn't stored in the database or cached
16:42 gmcharlt going ahead and using GetMarcBiblio or the like instead is worth it, IMO, for the sake of consistency
16:43 gmcharlt as long as the changes are designed to ensure that a given MARCXML doesn't get parsed more than once during the run
16:44 gmcharlt since GetPendingIssues does given you the bibnum
16:44 gmcharlt I suggest not changing that function itself
16:44 gmcharlt and just add code to to bring in the bib and display it
16:45 gmcharlt just be sure to test performance if, say, the user has 100 items checked out
16:45 owen I may be getting in over my head. How do I test performance?
16:45 gmcharlt well, initially, with a stop watch
16:46 gmcharlt if the page takes 5 seconds to render now, but takes 15 seconds after you make your change ...
16:48 schuster DON"T DO IT! if it takes longer!!!
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17:08 * chris_n finds FF irritating today >:-(
17:10 owen Anyone know what "stack underflow:tags stack is empty" means? I'm getting it from
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17:13 gmcharlt it means that there's an exact /tmpl_loop or /tmpl_if that doesn't have a mate
17:13 wizzyrea so sad, died when you left, gmcharlt :/
17:14 gmcharlt just means that I have the last word, for now ;)
17:14 wizzyrea hehe
17:14 * jdavidb laughs really loud at the error message he just got...
17:15 jdavidb "error: did you mean `--amend` (with two dashes ?)"   (Of course I did.)
17:15 * wizzyrea giggles
17:16 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea!  I've missed ya this week.
17:16 wizzyrea we have missed you too
17:16 wizzyrea hope you didn't get too cold.
17:16 jdavidb Power was out Saturday and most of Sunday.  Saturday night was quite chilly; the apartment was down to about 50F before the lights came on.
17:17 wizzyrea brrrr
17:17 jdavidb yes.  Our normally un-cuddly angry feline was even cuddly.  (which, since he is 16 lb of angry, made sleeping even harder...)
17:22 jdavidb I've read through a whole *month's* supply of trashy romance novels.  Briefly debated coding a whole redesign to Koha's MARC engine on a VirtualBox (or on my Eee), but decided to nap instead.
17:23 owen Well I hope it was a good nap ;)
17:23 wizzyrea fingers were too cold probably
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17:24 jdavidb Several good naps, owen.
17:25 jdavidb @quote random
17:25 munin jdavidb: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 02:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
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17:30 kf @quote random
17:30 munin kf: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 12:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
17:40 * jw-shovels has an achy back
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17:43 jwagner @wunder 20740
17:43 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 3.6�C (12:40 PM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling).
17:43 wizzyrea batch item modification = awesome
17:43 gmcharlt having you been testing it?
17:44 owen wizzyrea: batch item modification = working?
17:44 owen It was broken for me last time I tried it
17:44 wizzyrea yea I'm looking at it now
17:44 wizzyrea about to execute my first modification
17:46 kf is there a reason why I can nto change my framework from fast add to default?
17:50 kf hm, perhaps i m just too tired.
17:51 wizzyrea it does work, but I found a problem, which I will look to see fi there is a bug
17:51 wizzyrea for
17:51 wizzyrea how was yours not working owen?
17:51 owen It was modifying the wrong columns in the items table. So if I was editing replacement cost, it would put the data I specified for replacement cost in the next column after it
17:52 wizzyrea yep, that's how it was broken for me
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17:52 wizzyrea I changed an itype, put the new itype in the field above, and it changed the right thing
17:53 wizzyrea so close to working...
17:53 kf bye #koha
17:53 wizzyrea bye cait
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17:53 owen wizzyrea: I chatted with someone at Biblibre about it and I don't think we got very far, far enough to think it might be USMARC-specific
17:55 wizzyrea is there a formal bug that you know of? I didn't see one
17:56 * wizzyrea is happy to file one
17:56 wizzyrea it works but for that one (hopefully tiny!) thing
17:57 owen I don't think there is a bug report wizzyrea
17:58 wizzyrea with MARC21 records the changed field ends up changing one field after/below the intended field.
17:58 wizzyrea is that accurate?
17:59 wizzyrea or USMARC, I guess
17:59 gmcharlt ah, that explains what I saw when I glanced at it for all of 10 seconds yesterday
17:59 wizzyrea !! what did you see?
18:00 * wizzyrea is in an eric carle book: release manager, release manager, what did you see?
18:00 gmcharlt tried to change both homebranch and holdingsbranch, only one got changed
18:00 wizzyrea yea, that would do it
18:00 wizzyrea I tried to change an itype, and it put it in the public note
18:00 wizzyrea when I put the itype code in the field above itype, it changed the itype
18:01 wizzyrea (just like I wanted)
18:01 wizzyrea ok, filing this bug.
18:08 wizzyrea bug 4169
18:08 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4169 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, Batch Item modification tool is off by one field
18:11 wizzyrea do those screenshots make sense?
18:12 gmcharlt yep
18:14 joetho_away I couldn't get it to work yesterday but I didn't think to look at different fields
18:14 joetho_away hmmm
18:15 joetho_away I wondered if there would be problems with marc, since they don't use marc in france, correct?
18:16 joetho_away this is a very important feature to libraries
18:16 joetho_away IMO
18:16 gmcharlt joetho_away: sure they use MARC in France
18:16 gmcharlt the UNIMARC flavor, not MARC21, however
18:16 joetho_away that and the merge bibs using virtural shelflist
18:17 joetho_away that's what I meant
18:17 joetho_away I knew they didn't use marc21 but wasn't sure what they DID use
18:17 joetho_away *virtual
18:21 chris people seen this ?
18:25 jwagner Congrats to Equinox & gmcharlt
18:25 fredericd chris: Now, yes. 'The Equinox Promise'. I have faith.
18:26 chris yep, tis good news
18:26 chris gmcharlt: will atz be helping you with koha stuff?
18:27 chris_n Equinox++
18:28 chris_n very nice
18:28 gmcharlt chris: some, I'm sure, though he'll continue to focus on Evergreen coding for now
18:28 chris cool
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18:31 * chris goes to get ready for the day, bbiab
18:32 chris congrats equinox and gmcharlt
18:32 gmcharlt thanks!
18:32 brendan "We hope this initiative will help promote cross-community cooperation
18:32 brendan and sharing between the Evergreen and Koha communities. There is so much
18:32 brendan in common between these two communities and so much to be gained.
18:32 brendan As always, thanks for your support."
18:32 brendan from an email from Brad to the Evergreen mailing list
18:32 * brendan likes
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18:39 Sjeffery Is there a way to add a default value to cataloging framework fields? I can't seem to find it form the administraiton menu. Is it hardcoded somewhere?
18:39 fredericd chris: I'm looking misc/translator scripts and the whole process of generating .po files. Is the version number appended to .po filename required? Still required with git?
18:40 schuster Sjeffery - some of it is did you have something in particular you wanted to code?
18:46 Sjeffery My thought is to have default values in some fields so that our non-catalogers would have a better idea of what is supposed to go in a field and how it is supposed to be formatted. Maybe there is a better way than default text? For example: The 086 subfield which indicates the source/system will almost always have the exact same value for us.
18:46 Sjeffery Everything else in Koha looks good, but that MARC-based input screen will be a nightmare to train our people on (working on getting a migration to Koha approved at our library right now).
18:48 chris fredericd: no, not required, but i do find it handy sometimes .. but no with git and different branches, not required at all
18:48 chris Sjeffery: you can do it with authorised/authorized values
18:49 * chris is off to today, so cant explain properly but someone will be able to tell you how to set that up
18:49 * chris goes to finish packing
18:49 Sjeffery Figures:)
18:50 jwagner Sjeffery, look at Home � Administration � MARC Frameworks �  Framework Structure � Tag 086 Subfield Structure � Edit subfields constraints , then click on display more constraints for a particular subfield.  You can enter a Default Value, or tie the subfield to an authorized value pick list.
18:51 jwagner You'd have to create the authorized value list separately.
18:52 Sjeffery Aha, great. I was in a slightly different menu.
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18:53 Sjeffery I tihnk what I am going to do is create a framework for brief records with only half a dozen fields, all with example default text filled in. That way, in theory, anyone should be able to figure it out.
18:55 jwagner Sjeffery, that will be a LOT of work -- it's difficult to either create a framework or strip one down.  Have to do it one field at a time :-(  I did some work in that direction for one of our sites, but didn't complete it (they decided they didn't want it).
18:58 Sjeffery I'm just going to call that job security and not think about it for a while.
18:58 jwagner There's optimism for you!
18:59 Sjeffery Would you happen to know the method to do a dump from Koha used by OCLC to do a batch holdings update?
19:00 jwagner I don't, but various people were talking about that the other day.  Don't know if there is any method yet.
19:02 gmcharlt Sjeffery: there's a MARC bibliographic export tool under Tools
19:04 Sjeffery That is probably it. I don't know how OCLC does it, just was curious.
19:04 owen It would be appropriate to use Perltidy if I find a script that uses a mix of spaces and tabs for indentation?
19:05 chris_n owen: please do
19:06 chris_n just submit the tidy as a separate patch from actual code work
19:06 owen I'm happy to if you can tell me how it's done :)
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19:08 chris_n owen: just run perl tidy on and then commit create a patch and off you go
19:09 owen chris_n: There aren't any particular options I need to set for it? Just run it?
19:09 chris_n om
19:11 gmcharlt owen: the file xt/perltidyrc (sp?) has the canonical options
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19:11 owen gmcharlt: I have no idea what that means
19:12 gmcharlt owen: ok, lemme try again
19:12 gmcharlt :)
19:12 gmcharlt from the koha root
19:13 gmcharlt perltidyc --pro=xt/perltidyrc name_of_file_you_want_to_tidy
19:14 gmcharlt that creates a new file with a .tdy extension, which you can then check and move into place
19:14 gmcharlt alternative, add a -b switch to edit the file in place; that will create a backup with a .bak extension
19:17 owen gmcharlt: "perltidyc" or "perltidy" ?
19:17 gmcharlt sorry, just perltidy for the command
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19:25 wizzyrea chris_n: just looked through the label creator; you, good sir, deserve a medal. It's beautiful.
19:26 wizzyrea everything I tried worked perfectly
19:26 chris_n wizzyrea: tnx :-)
19:26 jwagner I think we need Good Citizen awards, to give to people who make these nice major contributions :-)
19:26 wizzyrea Yes... I agree
19:26 chris_n I have two outstanding issue, which I hope to fix over the weekend or early next week
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19:27 wizzyrea Maybe as part of the 3.2 release notes :)
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19:28 joetho_away the label development is also very important to librarians
19:28 joetho_away thanks to chrisn
19:28 joetho_away chris_n ++
19:29 joetho_away @karma chris_n
19:29 munin joetho_away: Karma for "chris_n" has been increased 37 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 37.
19:29 jwagner chris_n++
19:29 joetho_away @tenbucks chris_n
19:29 munin joetho_away: Error: "tenbucks" is not a valid command.
19:29 chris_n hehe
19:29 joetho_away well the thought was there
19:35 biglego Okay I've been playing with the following files trying to get a new tool link to appear
19:35 biglego intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modu​les/tools/tools-home.tmpl
19:35 biglego intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/
19:35 biglego I've edited existing stuff I've added my own stuff and no change
19:35 biglego On a hunch I renamed them and the tools page still appears in my web browser.  Obviously my tools page is not generated from where I think it should be.  Ideas suggestions?
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19:36 wizzyrea erm, did you duplicate your templates?
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19:36 wizzyrea are you using the right set?
19:36 wizzyrea (in the sysprefs)
19:36 seneca Does anyone know if there is a way to renew all patrons at once?
19:37 bigbrovar Hi guys.. is there a way I can configure the internet aware tools in koha to work on an intranet server behind a network proxy
19:38 * wizzyrea is not aware of any "Batch renew" functionality
19:38 wizzyrea *batch renew *patrons*
19:38 wizzyrea internet aware tools such as z39.50?
19:39 wizzyrea owen: the interface looks *really* good. You have been busy, and it shows.
19:39 owen Thanks wizzyrea!
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19:39 wizzyrea I think 3.2 is shaping up quite nicely
19:40 * owen has gone down a rabbit-hole of template changes today which seems to be getting deeper
19:40 wizzyrea yikes
19:41 bigbrovar wizzyrea: yeah
19:42 seneca Hmm... then I'll ask my other question:
19:42 seneca When I have new accounts made automatically from my LDAP source upon patron login, it creates their account but does not give them Expiration dates
19:43 seneca therefore, the account can't check anything out. Any ideas why this happens?
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19:43 biglego wizzyrea where at in sysprefs?
19:43 wizzyrea biglego: 1s let me find the name of the pref
19:44 seneca I don't think this was the behavior before I recently upgraded, but I can't find any setting for it that might have been changed.
19:44 wizzyrea appearance -> template
19:44 wizzyrea by default it's prog
19:44 braedon|work seneca: you could do a "batch renew" manually with sql
19:44 seneca hmm
19:44 seneca do you happen to know the table, column?
19:45 braedon|work not off the top of my head
19:45 * wizzyrea should clarify, there's no web interface way to batch renew
19:45 braedon|work would guess borrowers table
19:45 seneca I'll go looking - thanks!
19:46 chris ok back for a little bit at work, before the taxi to the airport
19:47 bigbrovar Hi guys.. is there a way to set up the internet aware tools in koha to work on an intranet server behind a network proxy (squid)
19:47 biglego wizzyrea i'm on 3.04 i have theis "template" "Define the preferred staff interface template" in system preferences -> admin, but no appearance
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19:50 richard hi
19:50 braedon|work bigbrovar: you would need to configure the proxy to let the services you need through - not much you can do from the tool end (assuming the proxy is any good at what it does). What is the proxy set to let through/block?
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19:52 bigbrovar braedon|work: well all internet traffic http(s) and ftb have been routed to go through an http_proxy server. so port 80 has been blocked from the firewall
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19:53 bigbrovar braedon|work: the only way to connect to internet is to setup the proxy in my env or configure the internet app to use the proxy. (if it has such settings)
19:54 braedon|work is the proxy acting as a gateway to the internet? ie, does all traffic on any port have to pass through it z39.50
19:54 braedon|work oops, ignore the z39.50
19:54 bigbrovar braedon|work: exactly
19:54 braedon|work ok
19:55 bigbrovar braedon|work: the proxy is the gate way to the internet
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19:58 bigbrovar braedon|work: so any tip?
19:59 braedon|work the servers you are connecting to with z39.50 determine the port you need to use, obviously. I don't see an easy way around it other than asking your sys admin to allow access through the proxy on the ports required, for the conputer you are using
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20:00 braedon|work you could set up a tunnel to a computer you control past the proxy, but that requires the proxy to allow ssh
20:00 brendan @wunder 93117
20:00 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.5�C (11:54 AM PST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady).
20:00 wizzyrea yea, a targeted firewall rule just for the ILS server is what you need
20:01 bigbrovar wizzyrea: am sure that can be done. I would have to sit down with the network admin.
20:01 bigbrovar wizzyrea: probably make him an offer be can refuse :p
20:02 wizzyrea if it involves 1. beer, 2. Cookies, and 3. Caffiene, I doubt he'd deny you
20:02 bigbrovar wizzyrea: :)
20:02 wizzyrea :D
20:05 chris_n @wunder 28334
20:05 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 7.0�C (2:41 PM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
20:05 chris @wunder warkworth, nz
20:05 munin chris: The current temperature in Warkworth, New Zealand is 18.2�C (8:59 AM NZDT on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa (Rising).
20:05 jwagner @wunder 20740
20:05 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 3.8�C (3:02 PM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
20:05 chris thats where im going today
20:06 jwagner Take us along?
20:06 moodaepo @wunder 56001
20:06 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -9.0�C (1:55 PM CST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
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20:12 biglego hmm i'm not using the template files in en i'm using them in en-NZ, is there away to switch to en?
20:13 chris in system preferences
20:14 biglego what am i looking for is system preference language?
20:14 chris yeah, in the opac and the staff bits
20:14 chris the other option, is mv the en-NZ dir out of the way :)
20:15 biglego its got en selected for staff and opac
20:17 chris right, what does your browser have selected as its preference?
20:17 chris (that will override)
20:18 wizzyrea hey, I win! there was an alternate set of templates you were using :)
20:18 wizzyrea not in the way I thought... but oh well
20:18 chris probably the easiest way for now, is just to mv the en-NZ ones out of the way
20:20 biglego says english, cool i'll move them thought I was going insane point wizzyrea
20:21 wizzyrea embarrassing admission: I've done similar things more times than I care to admit. :)
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20:29 biglego i'm not embarrassed I was in the right directory all the time with my browser and sysprefs set to english and it was defaulting to en-NZ
20:30 biglego i checked the install log and en is the choice selected
20:30 chris and your locale is not en-NZ
20:30 chris ?
20:30 chris it might be the code that tries to pick your language has a bug
20:31 wizzyrea oh, 3.0.4, maybe get 3.0.5?
20:31 biglego LANG=en_US.UTF-8
20:31 chris weird
20:32 biglego once I mv en-NZ to cursed-en-NZ it picked up my addition
20:32 chris heh
20:32 chris but now your spelling is all wrong :P
20:32 chris ok, meeting time, back later
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20:35 biglego In the tools-home.tmpl and I see this before every link example <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_tools_inventory" -->
20:35 biglego Do I need to create  <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_my_tool" --> somewhere?  Hopefully language doesn't come into play
20:35 biglego right now I'm using <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_tools_inventory" -->
20:37 owen biglego: You're adding a new tool, is that right?
20:37 biglego yeah
20:37 gmcharlt biglego: there's a bit more to it -[…]ruary/005541.html - is an example of what's need to create a new permission
20:38 owen the other option being it could share the same permission as another tool if it made sense
20:38 owen ...but I guess each Tool has its own now hunh?
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20:42 biglego well at 3.04 the userflags table is a little bare, so I think I can skip that hunk of intimidation pasted by galen
20:42 * gmcharlt is always glad to oblige ;)
20:43 * jdavidb tries to imagine a "hunk of intimidation" from gmcharlt, and fails his saving throw.
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21:20 chris_n bbl
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21:30 Jo chris - can i ring you ?
21:30 chris yep
21:36 wizzyrea can anybody speak to the kind of load a, say 10-15 minute hold queue generation schedule would incur?
21:37 wizzyrea on a collection with 30 libraries and 600k+ items
21:37 wizzyrea (god... 30... really? wow!)
21:38 chris no idea sorry
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21:53 schuster What do you mean by a 10-15 minute hold queue generation?
21:54 wizzyrea i mean regenerating the hold queue every 15 minutes
21:55 wizzyrea so when you click on hold queue for your library it's been maximum 14 minutes since it was generated
21:56 schuster hmmm guess this is a standard cron job that generally only runs once a day?
21:58 wizzyrea or twice a day
21:58 wizzyrea at least in our case
21:58 wizzyrea there are some funny things caused by timing/ignoring holds from the pick list
21:58 wizzyrea that I think might be mitigated by running the hold queue more often
21:58 wizzyrea but it would probably not be optimal for performance >.>
21:59 chris what you could od
21:59 chris do even
21:59 chris is run the holds queue on a slave db, and make koha use it
21:59 chris for that report
21:59 chris but that would involve trickery
21:59 wizzyrea gl getting that setup in our state of the art cloud environment
22:00 wizzyrea (even though that would probably make it easier to do)
22:00 chris heh yeah
22:00 wizzyrea I can concieve of a method of doing it in EC2, but I don't have the keys to our system (literally)
22:01 wizzyrea i like trickery >.>
22:04 schuster mines set to run ?hourly 52 in the cron job.
22:05 wizzyrea I think we might have started out running it that often... not sure why we stopped
22:05 schuster On my test system it took hardly no time to run so I don't think it would be a huge performace killer.
22:05 wizzyrea yea, you'd be a good test case, you have zillions of items :)
22:05 schuster And if you are clouded performance isn't your issue!
22:05 wizzyrea you would think that...
22:06 wizzyrea we have more issues than they like to admit
22:06 schuster I've messed with my system if you remind me on Tuesday I can restore it and run it again.  we have 1.2 million items, but not everyone is doing holds.
22:07 wizzyrea I'm going to have to think more about what I discovered today about the holds
22:08 schuster You have those fancy holds patches as well that I may not have...  that may impact this as well.
22:08 wizzyrea most of those are in community, 3.0.5 I thought
22:08 wizzyrea certainly we had all of that done by last june
22:09 wizzyrea I was verifying that[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3595
22:09 munin Bug 3595: normal, P5, ---,, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold
22:09 wizzyrea was still a problem
22:09 wizzyrea and it is
22:09 schuster How nice for you...  I'm not there...  I think I'm 3.01.032? or 36
22:09 wizzyrea oh we're close to you
22:09 wizzyrea do you have the local holds stuff?
22:09 wizzyrea b/c that's what we had done
22:09 schuster Ah...  I'm working on getting a 3.2 instance up and running with a copy of my production database and maybe that will be done tomorrow.
22:10 wizzyrea we are at 37 on our production
22:11 wizzyrea but I was playing in 117
22:11 schuster I can't remember if I got local holds or not that you are talking about.  Seems like I got some but not all?  I'd have to go back and look again.  I don't think I got everything as localholds is still an issue for us.
22:11 wizzyrea it's still an issue for us too
22:11 schuster well - off to drive in the snow - 30 minutes any bets on how long it will take me to get home tonight?
22:11 wizzyrea some things still don't work very well
22:11 wizzyrea but I believe all are reported as community bugs
22:11 schuster Driving to work this morning - snow not frozen - 45 mpg zone people driving 20... augh...
22:12 wizzyrea yikes
22:12 wizzyrea schuster: we haven't gotten the fixes that were promised us to be done in september.
22:12 wizzyrea for local holds
22:12 schuster tomorrow will be the true test how frozen things are in the morning...  you will probably hear a lot from me as I am betting school will be called and then Saturday it is supposed to get up to 50 degrees - wet and mushy...
22:13 wizzyrea mmmm mushy
22:13 schuster yes I have paid for things that I have not gotten yet either...  has someone talked to John Yokely from your institution about that? Make sure they are on the development list to be done.
22:13 wizzyrea idk, my boss has a list of concerns that he is sending
22:14 wizzyrea i'm sure stuff we've paid for and not gotten is on it
22:14 wizzyrea as well as "for god's sake don't make us do LEK"
22:15 schuster well off I go!
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22:15 wizzyrea gl
22:15 wizzyrea drive safely :) I'm sure you will :)
22:27 braedon|work how often does the "install_misc/ubuntu.packages" list get updated? i have quite a few additions for master
22:30 braedon|work or perhaps it would be better to ask: Who manages the ubuntu install guide, and package list?
22:30 chris whoever sends patches to it :)
22:30 chris its a free for all
22:31 braedon|work ok
22:31 braedon|work i may have a go once i have done some more testing
22:31 chris cool
22:31 braedon|work damn perl dependencies. i hates them!
22:32 wizzyrea gmcharlt was going to update the documentation for perl modules that have changed since 3.0
22:32 braedon|work ok
22:32 braedon|work perhaps i can just send him what i found
22:33 gmcharlt braedon|work: please, do, or post to bug 411
22:33 munin Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=411 minor, P2, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Supplier ID referenced on Search page but shown no where
22:33 gmcharlt bug 4151, rather
22:33 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---,, NEW, Document new perl modules for those upgrading
22:33 braedon|work ok, will do
22:35 braedon|work git master is still on 3.2 dev correct? haven't split it off to start on 3.4 yet?
22:37 gmcharlt correct
22:37 braedon|work swt
22:37 braedon|work just checking :)
23:05 braedon|work gmcharlt: added a coment to bug 4151
23:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---,, NEW, Document new perl modules for those upgrading
23:06 Jo can someone point me to latest version of the 3.2 manual please.
23:07 Jo have found this one on
23:07 Jo ignore me please - I found it
23:07 brendan I think this should be the most recent,[…]ation/3-2-manual/
23:12 Jo thanks Brendan.
23:13 Jo I wonder who we would need to talk to to get updated to pint to the site :)
23:13 brendan surething thank nengard++
23:13 Jo point to (even ...)
23:13 brendan jo pint's sound better right about now :)
23:14 Jo goodness gracious: that nengard is a powerhouse ... does she ever sleep?
23:16 Jo getting out laptop to display manual while i work the new/improved admin / setup in 3.2 to see whats new/improved :)
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23:46 Genji hiya all.
23:48 braedon|work hi there
23:49 Genji question, getRecord retrieves results async'ly... meaning server 1's results could get processed after server 2's results are processed by the  ZOOM::event while loop, correct?
23:53 Genji so to try and tack the second query results under the first query results could end up with the second query results on top of the first query results?
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