| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:38 |
|
hdl |
!list |
| 14:03 |
|
liz |
mornin #koha |
| 14:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi liz |
| 14:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
how are things the day after go-live? |
| 14:22 |
|
nengard |
hiya liz - congrats again |
| 14:22 |
|
liz |
going pretty well |
| 14:22 |
|
liz |
a few chips in the china but the dishes are all intact (we think) |
| 14:23 |
|
liz |
:) |
| 14:29 |
|
owen |
liz, FYI: you OPAC is missing some images |
| 14:44 |
|
owen |
liz: I had to make the same change to our registration form when we last upgraded Koha...putting the card number field at the end. |
| 14:45 |
|
liz |
haha maybr that should become default |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
owen: surely there's some way to catch the cariage return in that field |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
owen: http://jennifermadden.com/java[…]rKeyDetector.html |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
Suppressing Form Submission via Enter/Return Key Press From within Single Text Input |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
half-way down |
| 14:48 |
|
liz |
i think its kind of a perk |
| 14:48 |
|
owen |
kados, does that demo work for you? I'm curious about Mac/PC differences |
| 14:48 |
|
owen |
It seems to work as advertised on my PC |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
yea, works on my mac |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
in FF |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
works on safair too |
| 14:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
heh |
| 14:52 |
|
liz |
makes more sense anyway, thats when you're going to hand the card to the patron anyway |
| 14:52 |
|
liz |
owen: lol |
| 14:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
lol |
| 15:08 |
|
liz |
since our libraries often enter the card number in as the OPAC login username, it would be good to escape the CR in that box |
| 15:08 |
|
liz |
thanks for the tip, Kados |
| 15:09 |
|
owen |
liz, you could probably add that to intranetuserjs |
| 15:10 |
|
liz |
i mean on the patron registratiton page |
| 15:10 |
|
liz |
man I can't spell today |
| 15:10 |
|
liz |
on the initial entry |
| 15:10 |
|
liz |
same place? |
| 15:10 |
|
liz |
so they're essentially scanning the barcode twice |
| 15:11 |
|
owen |
Yeah, I'm thinking you could add some js to your intranetuserjs system pref which would catch the CR on a custom element |
| 15:13 |
|
pianohacker |
nicomo: Around? |
| 15:13 |
|
nicomo |
yes |
| 15:13 |
|
pianohacker |
Have you made any progress in investigating http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2516 ? |
| 15:14 |
|
nicomo |
yep, great progress : handed over to hdl ;-) |
| 15:14 |
|
pianohacker |
nicomo: Heh, thanks |
| 15:14 |
|
pianohacker |
hdl: around ? :) |
| 15:14 |
|
hdl |
yes |
| 15:14 |
|
pianohacker |
any progress on above bug? |
| 15:15 |
|
hdl |
pianohacker: can't reproduce it. |
| 15:16 |
|
hdl |
Can you ? |
| 15:16 |
|
hdl |
But I could send a quick fix for that. |
| 15:16 |
|
pianohacker |
IIRC, it was a problem with just one of Biblibre's clients; I couldn't reproduce it myself |
| 15:16 |
|
nicomo |
nor could I : annoying |
| 15:17 |
|
nicomo |
but I couldn't see what was wrong on that particular install |
| 15:17 |
|
pianohacker |
Huh. WORKSFORME ? |
| 15:17 |
|
hdl |
I saw that searchMember would not sort on correct surnames. |
| 15:17 |
|
hdl |
only on firstnames. |
| 15:17 |
|
hdl |
But since it displayed correctly, i did not edit anything. |
| 15:18 |
|
pianohacker |
hdl: If you see the problem and an obvious fix, a patch would be wonderful :) |
| 15:28 |
|
hdl |
hi slef |
| 15:29 |
|
slef |
hi hdl |
| 15:29 |
|
slef |
nengard, chris: linkedin are claiming that they can't merge koha groups unless we say the other group's creator used the name/logo without permission :-/ Thoughts? |
| 15:30 |
|
nengard |
slef - bah - that's just silliness |
| 15:30 |
|
atz |
that's lame |
| 15:30 |
|
nengard |
i say leave it alone - there are no members in the other group and over 30 and growing in the one we created |
| 15:30 |
|
owen |
Yeah, and we can kick their asses! |
| 15:30 |
|
atz |
heh |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
slef++ for looking into it |
| 15:38 |
|
slef |
oh wait... just reread... they also assumed that we gave permission for him to set up a group for us... no-one did, did they? |
| 15:38 |
|
nengard |
not on the liblime end - and chris didn't know about it either |
| 15:39 |
|
nengard |
liz and anyone else - created a new document: http://sites.google.com/a/libl[…]endicies/hot-keys |
| 15:39 |
|
liz |
nengard: cool, ty |
| 15:39 |
|
nengard |
:) |
| 15:41 |
|
kados |
slef: who set it up originally? |
| 15:42 |
|
kados |
slef: this ultimately gets back to who 'we' is ... it's kind of nebulous at the moment, anyone can claim to be part of the community ;-) |
| 15:42 |
|
slef |
kados: jayadevkumbar gmail.com |
| 15:43 |
|
slef |
kados: I'll claim that because none of liblime (owner of koha.org), current or past RMs and QAMs approved it and there was no public announcement of it, there was no permission. I hope that suffices. |
| 15:44 |
|
nengard |
slef kados while i agree that we is anyone - whoever it was wasn't maintaining the group so that's why i created a new one and added a bunch of managers so that we can all maintain it |
| 15:44 |
|
slef |
nengard: I'm also saying that my motivation is that the mismanagement of the lower-numbered group is hurting our user community. |
| 15:44 |
|
nengard |
slef makes sense |
| 15:47 |
|
slef |
heh, pic of nicole |
| 15:48 |
|
nengard |
slef - what pic? why is it funny??? :( |
| 15:51 |
|
kados |
slef: works for me |
| 16:00 |
|
slef |
nengard: just amusing because I'd not seen a pic of you before... sorry, didn't mean to suggest it was funny |
| 16:04 |
|
nengard |
slef hehe :) how have you not seen a picture? my face is all over the place!!! |
| 16:05 |
|
nengard |
okay - off to eat some lunch |
| 16:20 |
|
slef |
nengard: I often browse with images off... |
| 16:20 |
|
slef |
nengard: I am a speed freak |
| 16:27 |
|
nengard |
slef - i need pictures - i'm a very graphical person |
| 17:28 |
|
owen |
I guess I imagined the intranetuserjs system pref... |
| 17:57 |
|
liz |
i saw it |
| 17:57 |
|
liz |
its under staff client |
| 17:57 |
|
liz |
just wanted to share something we just got from one of our librarians: |
| 17:58 |
|
liz |
re: koha |
| 17:58 |
|
liz |
ROCK ON!!! |
| 17:58 |
|
liz |
Love it! |
| 17:58 |
|
liz |
Love it! |
| 17:58 |
|
liz |
Love it! |
| 17:58 |
|
nengard |
AWESOME!!!! |
| 17:58 |
|
pianohacker |
owen: around? |
| 17:58 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 17:59 |
|
liz |
nengard: would it, could it, be possible for us to host something like consortia.koha.org? |
| 18:00 |
|
nengard |
liz - we'd have to talk to josh - i think he owns koha.org |
| 18:00 |
|
liz |
for coordinating development efforts specific to consortia? |
| 18:00 |
|
liz |
k |
| 18:01 |
|
kados |
liz: if coordinating development is the goal, we really need something like fundable.org |
| 18:01 |
|
liz |
nengard we were going to host it here under nexpresslibrary.org but that doesnt make a lot of sense |
| 18:02 |
|
kados |
liz: and I dont' think there'd be any particular value to having a consortium-specific coordination forum, we need to do a better job of making it easy to coordinate development for all library types IMO |
| 18:02 |
|
kados |
but I'm open to other views :-) |
| 18:02 |
|
kados |
and though LibLime does own koha.org, we'd look for the comunity to decide what would be suitable as far as content on the community site |
| 18:03 |
|
liz |
nengard: well, the issues that consortia face are significantly different than even libraries with many branches |
| 18:03 |
|
nengard |
seems like we should have a forum |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
liz: yes, I understand that, but the problem you're facing is that it's hard to coordinate development, and that's true for all library types |
| 18:03 |
|
nengard |
and then categories for diff librarians to talk |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
liz: so it's not specific to consortia, does that make sense? |
| 18:04 |
|
liz |
yea, we were thinking of a blog + forums |
| 18:04 |
|
liz |
+ mailing list |
| 18:04 |
|
nengard |
kados with plone running koha.org can we have forums? |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
liz: perhaps the specific things you want to do are specific to consortia, but I think we need a general tool for development corridination for everyone to use |
| 18:04 |
|
liz |
right |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
it could have sub-sections for consortia, academics, etc |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
liz: check out fundable.org |
| 18:05 |
|
liz |
kados i just looked at it, interesting idea |
| 18:05 |
|
owen |
Is coordinating the funding of new development different than coordinating collaboration on the things to be developed? |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
idea is -> Create an Idea for a Project, say how much it costs -> get people to pitch in -> when you ahve enough money, do it |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
something similar for koha development would be ideal |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
owen: perhaps, yes |
| 18:05 |
|
liz |
totally |
| 18:06 |
|
owen |
So what liz needs is a way to discuss the issues *before* they get to the fundable stage |
| 18:06 |
|
kados |
liz: one thing I want to avoid in our community is silos |
| 18:06 |
|
liz |
understandable |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
liz: so while I like the idea of enhancing consortium features, I'd want to make sure those featurs didn't negitively impact other koha users, ie, that they were written in such a way that they'd work for everyone |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
(if there are things specific to consortiua that need to be different, they'd be wrapped in sysprefs) |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
etc. |
| 18:07 |
|
liz |
oh sure, you don't want to have 15 different versions |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
yea, exactly |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
maybe eventually we'll have a large enough community to fork Koha |
| 18:07 |
|
nengard |
liz, kados i still think we need more community type areas on koha.org |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
(it's happend a few times already) |
| 18:08 |
|
kados |
but right now we're best focusing on working otgether where possible |
| 18:08 |
|
liz |
i think that would be the goal of any consortial collaboration |
| 18:08 |
|
liz |
at least that we would be involved int |
| 18:08 |
|
liz |
in* |
| 18:08 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
| 18:09 |
|
liz |
lol, frankly, it's economics... if there is a feature that a bunch of us want, no reason to have one of us shoulder the entire cost, especially if it's a big enhancement project |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
liz: yep, I agree |
| 18:10 |
|
liz |
so that's where fundable could come in |
| 18:10 |
|
liz |
getting the enhancement requests to the point of fundable, now that might be a challenge |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
we're also treading the line between what's koha community and what's liblime customer stuff |
| 18:10 |
|
liz |
sure |
| 18:11 |
|
liz |
i'd imagine that much of it would end up being liblime enhancements, simply because you're already familiar ^.^ |
| 18:11 |
|
liz |
which of course is good for *your* business :) |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
yea, and if that's the case it should be a subsite of liblime.com IMO |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
liz: well if you have some ideas for how best to structure such a collaboration platform, let me know |
| 18:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
right, but we're not only commercial development provider |
| 18:12 |
|
liz |
we are definitely thinking about how to do it |
| 18:13 |
|
liz |
now that our migration is mostly under control, we're looking to 1. the next libraries to come on and 2. how to improve our product in the best/fastest way |
| 18:13 |
|
liz |
because it's everybody |
| 18:13 |
|
liz |
s |
| 18:13 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 18:13 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:13 |
|
kados |
more power to em |
| 18:13 |
|
liz |
*giggle* |
| 18:14 |
|
liz |
you honestly have no idea how many of our libraries have the "library teen tech guy" |
| 18:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Hey, I'm a teenage colorado hacker, does that count? |
| 18:14 |
|
owen |
The last time I was anything approaching a teenage kansas hacker I was playing Zork 1. |
| 18:14 |
|
liz |
SEE! |
| 18:14 |
|
gmcharlt |
heh - which is one approach to keep in mind, is the option of doing some of the coding yourself within in the consortium |
| 18:14 |
|
kados |
definitely |
| 18:14 |
|
kados |
pianohacker++ |
| 18:14 |
|
liz |
rofl owen |
| 18:15 |
|
liz |
<3 |
| 18:16 |
|
liz |
gmcharlt sadly at this time I can't identify a person I know who would have the necessary experience (or would be interested in working on such a project) |
| 18:16 |
|
liz |
now... if it had some ruby on rails... |
| 18:16 |
|
liz |
it might be different |
| 18:17 |
|
liz |
<- is not the ruby on rails programmer |
| 18:17 |
|
liz |
<- only knows some |
| 18:18 |
|
kados |
liz: RoR wouldn't help you much with Koha, which is Perl ;-) |
| 18:18 |
|
liz |
heh, yep |
| 18:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
kados: dunnon, anybody want to write a RoR reporting system for Koha? |
| 18:20 |
|
owen |
pianohacker: where in Colorado are you? |
| 18:20 |
|
pianohacker |
Southern area, why ? |
| 18:20 |
|
owen |
Just curious. I lived in Boulder for a year when I was a kid |
| 18:21 |
|
pianohacker |
Oh, someone I know went to school there, it's a cool town |
| 18:23 |
|
liz |
hm... now that you mention it maybe I could get my friend who does rails on THAT project :P |
| 18:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: not sure why 2424 was not apply - I'll treat as de novo |
| 18:55 |
|
owen |
Thanks gmcharlt |
| 19:21 |
|
liz-nekls |
weird, I was just looking at a patron record and accidentally hit the enter key |
| 19:22 |
|
liz-nekls |
and got page not found at this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.o[…]members/member.pl |
| 19:22 |
|
liz-nekls |
404 |
| 19:22 |
|
liz-nekls |
was on this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.o[…]ers/moremember.pl |
| 19:22 |
|
liz-nekls |
and hit the enter key |
| 19:23 |
|
liz-nekls |
everything else seems to work |
| 19:25 |
|
ryan |
liz-nekls: looks like it submitted the search members form with no query. |
| 19:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
any patron or just that particular one? |
| 19:25 |
|
liz-nekls |
let me check |
| 19:25 |
|
liz-nekls |
yea, any patron |
| 19:25 |
|
ryan |
focus goes to the search form in the masthead by default |
| 19:26 |
|
ryan |
so enter submits it. |
| 19:26 |
|
liz-nekls |
but it's still kind of wrong that it is a 404? |
| 19:26 |
|
liz-nekls |
ryan: that makes sense |
| 19:27 |
|
ryan |
hmm. actually, i get search results. |
| 19:28 |
|
liz-nekls |
on our catalog? |
| 19:28 |
|
liz-nekls |
er, our install |
| 19:28 |
|
ryan |
no, on my test system |
| 19:28 |
|
liz-nekls |
k |
| 19:29 |
|
liz-nekls |
it's not a super big deal, it's just strange behavior |
| 19:29 |
|
liz-nekls |
behaviour, for you kiwis |
| 19:33 |
|
liz-nekls |
this only happens from moremember.pl |
| 19:33 |
|
liz-nekls |
not from the initial patron search screen |
| 19:37 |
|
ryan |
liz-nekls: this looks to be specific to your install. |
| 19:37 |
|
liz-nekls |
k I should submit a problem report? |
| 19:37 |
|
ryan |
please do. |
| 19:39 |
|
owen |
FWIW, I get search results too, no 404. |
| 19:43 |
|
liz-nekls |
k must be just ours then... at least it's not systemic :D |
| 19:48 |
|
pianohacker |
Is rebuild_zebra.pl the recommended way to keep koha/zebra databases in sync? The cronjob I set up doesn't seem to be modifying the indexes. |
| 19:50 |
|
atz |
yes, what does your cron line look like? |
| 19:52 |
|
pianohacker |
/opt/bin/koharun -c '/home/jakarta/projects/koha3/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z' (koharun is a small shell script that sets the right environment variables) |
| 19:55 |
|
liz-nekls |
that's funny, if there is something in the search box it returns a search just fine |
| 19:57 |
|
atz |
pianohacker: you should be able to set the variables at the top of the cron script |
| 19:58 |
|
atz |
and running the script won't do it |
| 19:58 |
|
atz |
because the script runs in it's own shell |
| 20:01 |
|
atz |
oh wait... i see... koharun must try to execute the -c arg |
| 20:02 |
|
atz |
you might try first... /opt/bin/koharun -c 'echo KOHA_CONF: $KOHA_CONF' |
| 20:02 |
|
atz |
and check the mail for what it produces |
| 20:03 |
|
atz |
that will tell you whether the ENV variable export is working or not |
| 20:55 |
|
liz |
hey what are you guys using for your support request management at Liblime? |
| 20:57 |
|
atz |
we've got some bugzillas, but our main support system is "AdventNet ManageEngine SupportCenter Plus v7" |
| 20:57 |
|
liz |
it seems nice do you like it? |
| 20:58 |
|
atz |
pretty well |
| 22:11 |
|
chris |
hi all |
| 22:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi chris |
| 22:14 |
|
chris |
hey galen, got plans for the weekend? |
| 22:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: preparing for our move, plus some Koha stuff |
| 22:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
my wife and I are moving to Florida this fall |
| 22:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
yourself? |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
ohh wow |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
thats a big move |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
quite the climate change too :) |
| 22:16 |
|
pianohacker |
I'll be the only liblime dev not in PST :( |
| 22:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
pianohacker: acmoore's in CST |
| 22:17 |
|
pianohacker |
Ah, good |
| 22:17 |
|
chris |
i seem to have shaken off the worst of this flu, so im thinking to take the family to staglans |
| 22:17 |
|
chris |
staglands even |
| 22:18 |
|
chris |
is atz moving too? |
| 22:18 |
|
atz |
? |
| 22:18 |
|
chris |
isnt he in EST ? |
| 22:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
not as far as I know |
| 22:18 |
|
atz |
possible... but i'm unlikely to be able to sell this house anytime soon |
| 22:19 |
|
chris |
ahh i was just trying to work out all the time zones :) |
| 22:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
EST, CST, MST as far as I know |
| 22:21 |
|
chris |
gmcharlt: whereabouts in florida? |
| 22:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
Gainesville |
| 22:22 |
|
chris |
ive heard of that ... i wonder why |
| 22:23 |
|
chris |
ahhh gatorade |
| 22:23 |
|
chris |
well you wont be dehydrated :) |
| 22:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
heh |
| 22:25 |
|
chris |
sounds like a nice place from readig wikipedia |
| 22:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
just as long as you don't need parking during football games, apparently :) |
| 22:29 |
|
atz |
much like Columbus, that way |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
yeah thats one huge university they have there |
| 22:30 |
|
rhcl |
does liblime have a brick and mortar building anywhere? |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
in athens ohio |
| 22:31 |
|
chris |
i even have photo |
| 22:31 |
|
chris |
s |
| 22:31 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 22:31 |
|
rhcl |
so does anybody work (from) there? |
| 22:31 |
|
atz |
yeah, some of the core staff |
| 22:31 |
|
rhcl |
gee, I would think that would be most of the developers. :) |
| 22:33 |
|
chris |
well thats the wonderful thing about the internet |
| 22:34 |
|
chris |
bit too far to commute :) |
| 22:35 |
|
rhcl |
Yea, I can see some transportation issues with that. |
| 22:35 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: photos on flickr? |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
just in my gallery |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
2 secs |
| 22:35 |
|
pianohacker |
thanks |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=9672 |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
i was quite taken by the iced tea maker .. not something you see here :) |
| 22:38 |
|
pianohacker |
Interesting, an open source shop with an Apple fetish :) |
| 22:38 |
|
chris |
its really just bsd :) |
| 22:39 |
|
pianohacker |
deep down |
| 22:40 |
|
chris |
apple for all their sins (and they have quite a few) do make a nice laptop :) |
| 22:40 |
|
pianohacker |
A _very_ nice laptop |
| 22:40 |
|
chris |
but im back on my aspire 5000 now |
| 22:41 |
|
chris |
which has a tendency to get too hot to actually be on my lap |
| 22:42 |
|
chris |
but since all i do with it is run xterms and a webbrowser .. it does the trick :) |
| 22:42 |
|
chris |
id quite like one of the msi winds ... with the 6.5 hour battery |
| 22:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
30 years of PCs, and we end up with a fancy terminal ;) |
| 22:43 |
|
chris |
if i got a spare battery thats the 13 hours a flight from nz to LAX takes :) |
| 22:44 |
|
chris |
yeah thats slightly longer, they are further west than us |
| 22:44 |
|
chris |
not a huge amount of fun |
| 22:44 |
|
chris |
altho, air nz does have all 3 lord of the rings movies .. watch them back to back and thats the whole flight :-) |
| 22:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
hah! cool |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
my wife and kahu are heading back in october (before he turns 2 and we have to pay for him) .. all the way to pittsburgh |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
here even |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
sheesh i need more coffee |
| 22:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
coffee++ |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
but that should be an 'interesting' trip |
| 22:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
tea++ |
| 22:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
caffeine++ |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
i dont think he can sit still for 13 minutes :-) |
| 22:50 |
|
gmcharlt |
lol |
| 22:50 |
|
gmcharlt |
I sympathize |
| 22:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
I'm going to have to drive a thousand miles with four cats in the back seat |
| 22:51 |
|
pianohacker |
Oh my god |
| 22:51 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 22:51 |
|
pianohacker |
And apparently, an on call EMT team |
| 22:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
nah, they'll be in carriers - it's the on-call shrink and vet I'm worried about :) |
| 22:52 |
|
pianohacker |
Heh |
| 22:56 |
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chris |
ok, i think we are gonna head out to http://staglands.co.nz/ now |
| 22:56 |
|
chris |
have a good weekend all |
| 22:57 |
|
gmcharlt |
you too |
| 22:57 |
|
pianohacker |
cya |
| 02:46 |
|
aindilis` |
gmcharlt: ping |
| 03:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
aindilis: pong |
| 03:03 |
|
aindilis |
hey, were you the one I was asking about the koha newircbot web log interface? |
| 03:03 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah - haven't heard yet if it will be put under GPL |
| 03:04 |
|
aindilis |
oh okay, srry to pester then |
| 03:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
no problem |
